[taylor192]

And please...give me these "facts" again...the only thing I have read is your random misinformation that you have gathered from your gf teaching manuals meant for 9th graders....but then again, that would appeal to you seeing as you have the intellect of a 15 years old.

/thread.
LOL discounting teaching material, how low can you get.

You are stupid, and that's not sarcasm this time. Perhaps you believe in baby jesus and that the world is flat too.

[taylor192]

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?! When have I ever come across as a person who blames everyone else for my problems....and since you think you know so much about me, what are my problems?! What do I need to blame other for?

I'd like to know who you blame for being a self-righteous prick who has nothing better to do than troll these fucking threads spread your word like it it fucking gospel.
I quote facts, you don't. Facts trump opinion, so I understand why you're constantly upset at my posts, cause they make you feel interior with nothing to rebut. Not my fault, educate yourself and don't discount proven material just cause you want to keep your blinders on.

Like I said, insult me all you want, it only shows that the shoe fits, cause you cannot attack my facts.

[Gridlock]

Answer my question.

[taylor192]

I don't believe that logic works when you are the parent and the people you're giving alcohol to are minors. You're the person with authority in this relationship and you're basically the one deciding this child should drink alcohol.

I'm not talking about kids in college, 17/18 years old, but in an environment where they interact with many people a few years older than them - I personally believe that if someone is old enough to vote, they're old enough to drink. Same with the military - if you're old enough to serve your country (16 with parental permission), you should be old enough to drink.
Fair enough. If you're thinking 16yo is a good age, I agree - with shades of grey cause some 16yos are dumbasses and some 13yos very mature.

Yet please remember, its not about "giving" alcohol to minors, its about the minors indicating they want to try it and supporting them in that decision cause you know at this point they are going to try it, and you do not want them to try it in an unsafe, uncontrolled, unsupervised location.

[taylor192]

Answer my question.
That's a red herring, cause you cannot tell me he hasn't been drinking or smoking before cause you'd have your head so far up your ass with your strict rules.

If he indicates he wants to try it, then it is his choice, since he's a "good" kid right?

[Gridlock]

That's a red herring, cause you cannot tell me he hasn't been drinking or smoking before cause you'd have your head so far up your ass with your strict rules.

If he indicates he wants to try it, then it is his choice, since he's a "good" kid right?

Nope.

Answer the question. No more semantics. No more random scenarios. Real kid. He exists. Assume what you want. That's part of the fun. You, as a parent of one of his friends don't know any more than I do. I'm going to guess there is an 85% chance that he has not drank in a quantity worthy of discussion.

The question, Taylor, is he is in your rec room, at a party hosted in your home.

Do you supply that child with alcohol? Yes or no.
Do you supply that child with weed? Yes or no.

I, as a "parent", well my sister, but you get the point do not know that you intend to be liberal in supplying teenagers with alcohol. Go.

[Gridlock]

Lawyered.

[taylor192]

what if a kid ended up having alcohol poisoning at your party?
That's the whole point of parental supervision - thanks for not understanding a single thing in this thread. :thumbsup:

or overdosed on some shady E (as per recent events) or ended up drinking & driving and crashing/dying/killing someone?
Thanks for bringing this up, now do you know the details?

I only know what was printed, 17yo girls staking extacy at a sleepover, and they were using the pills as diet pills. Do you think their parents knew? I am going to assume no, yet I do not know.

I would not condone my GF's daughter taking hard drugs. Pot is relatively harmless, hard drugs are made of god knows what. I never took them for this reason, and I'd hope I could teach her not to for the same reasons.

[taylor192]

Lawyered.

Thanks for proving me correct. :thumbsup: Your problem is you're not interested in facts, studies or learning anything - you just want to win - and now by nit-picking red herrings.

Parenting isn't about winning either. I deal with a 10yo everyday, hopefully your attitude will change before you have kids. Most likely it won't, yet for the kids sake I hope it does.

[taylor192]

Do you supply that child with alcohol? Yes or no.
Do you supply that child with weed? Yes or no.
Since you're intent on winning:

Do you know if he's had alcohol before?
Do you know if he's had weed before?
Do you know if he's interested in trying?

Wait, you'll know where your kid is at 11 o'clock. :facepalm:

[Gridlock]

It's not about winning dude. Discuss it all you want. I'm just poking a huge fucking hole in your plan and your idea, because you can't answer my question.

Answer it.

"Do you know if he's had alcohol before?
Do you know if he's had weed before?
Do you know if he's interested in trying?"

Do you?

[taylor192]

It's not about winning dude. Discuss it all you want. I'm just poking a huge fucking hole in your plan and your idea, because you can't answer my question.

Answer it.

"Do you know if he's had alcohol before?
Do you know if he's had weed before?
Do you know if he's interested in trying?"

Do you?
I'd ask. You'd lecture.

There's no need to answer it, you'd know exactly where and what your kid is doing at 11 o'clock so your question is moot. By asking you're admitting you're violating your own parenting rules, that your kid is out somewhere doing something you don't approve of. Any answer means you failed at parenting.

Lawyered. Love that show.

[Gridlock]

I'd ask. You'd lecture.

There's no need to answer it, you'd know exactly where and what your kid is doing at 11 o'clock so your question is moot. By asking you're admitting you're violating your own parenting rules, that your kid is out somewhere doing something you don't approve of. Any answer means you failed at parenting.

Lawyered. Love that show.

Answer the question. I know where my kid is. He's in your rec room. It's 11pm.

The question Taylor, that you refuse to answer is: do you give him beer, and do you give him weed.

You keep circling around, and you refuse to answer. Fuck it. I'll give it to you. I fucked up and he's there. Doesn't change a thing. He's there.

ANSWER THE QUESTION, OR PLEAD THE FIFTH. (yeah, we aren't americans, but it sounds cool)

[Hondaracer]

What parent fucking gives the kid the shit? No parents ever gave anything to anyone at the house parties I went to in HS everyone had their own shit

You think it's hard to find weed or booze in HS? Lol..

RS is fucking being completely populated by absolute clowns in the last couple years.
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[Gridlock]

I'm going to let you off the hook. You can't answer because of the following:

You answer yes:

Well, you just said that you are willing to override another parent. Makes you kind of an asshole(:rolleyes: no comment). Also has you breaking the law(if not the spirit of it) and basically giving an unitiated kid a taste for booze and drugs.

So you answer no:

Well, you just negated 11 pages of arguments because when push comes to shove, you aren't actually cool with supplying kids with booze in your basement for a whole host of reasons. Namely, the chance that you could be supplying a good kid with a bad option.

So, you've chosen to circle around the issue and try to change the parameters of the test.

Everyone is bored of this thread, and its turned just stupid. I'm out. I think my point has been made, and I really had some fun in the last 2 pages and I am just not into arguing it anymore.

Until next time.

[Gridlock]

What parent fucking gives the kid the shit? No parents ever gave anything to anyone at the house parties I went to in HS everyone had their own shit

You think it's hard to find weed or booze in HS? Lol..

RS is fucking being completely populated by absolute clowns in the last couple years.
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Oh for christ sake, then allow them to use their own shit with parental knowledge.

You're a bit of a dipshit yourself man.

[StylinRed]

That's the whole point of parental supervision - thanks for not understanding a single thing in this thread. :thumbsup:



i had you blocked until today cuz i figured this was done with

but thanks for showing you don't understand anything at all... my whole point in my messages is that a parent hosting a party isnt going to give a damn about anyone else except their own kid

+ how in the hell can you even imagine a parent being able to control an entire party.... :fulloffuck:
and where the hell do they get off thinking they're allowed to supervise my kids...





I would not condone my GF's daughter taking hard drugs. Pot is relatively harmless, hard drugs are made of god knows what. I never took them for this reason, and I'd hope I could teach her not to for the same reasons.

:fulloffuck: fuck you... seriously.... lol ffs

[Phil@rise]

I taught my kid how to turn down shit not how to do it.
When she is with close family and friends now almost 16 I let her drink a little and if a friend of mine is smoking a joint she can partake but only if its in a controlled group with close family and friends present

[bcrdukes]

^
Never, EVER tell Revscene you have a 16 year old daughter.

[Excelsis]

I was a straight A+ student, 2nd highest marks in my school, played 3 sports and did all sorts of activities. I also hit a strip club for the first time when I was 15yo, and I was already drinking at least once a month at that time.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111227100713/supernatural/images/9/9b/Watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png
LOL discounting teaching material, how low can you get.

You are stupid, and that's not sarcasm this time. Perhaps you believe in baby jesus and that the world is flat too.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTepyhy8dUz_u_IGfPdhgbMR6BpWPVET eiycjFMOy7-Jztt4PDXxo33nKSQMA

:troll:

[XplicitLuder]

^
Never, EVER tell Revscene you have a 16 year old daughter.

LOL he's brought her out to the mini-meets at byrne before. How's the vette doing btw Phil ? ( i think it was a vette :badpokerface: )

[iEatClams]

I failed b/c he missed the point of this thread...parent liability.


I think that whatever you want to do with your kid is fine...not my problem and not my right to judge. But, if a parent is allowing underage kids to drink, that are not his/her own, it is their responsibility to let the other parents know. I do not think it is right for that parent to make a judgement call on your kid. Thats it...simple.



The point of this thread has gone off-topic and went soo many ways that I really dont know whats the point or objective of anymore, except that it's creating discussions and allows me to see different opinion/sides of things.


This is where I disagree with you, and I guess we can agree to disagree.

But IT IS NOT THAT SIMPLE.

There's a lot of grey areas which grid has pointed out, but I'll address my opinion on your "responsibility to let the other parents know. "

So if there's a party and say 10 of these kids are partying in my basement, should I ask them "hey, which one of you do not have your parents permission to be here?" None of them will say no, due to peer pressure. can you imagine being left out , your kid will be outcast-ed. So they will all say yes and party.


Second, if I were to call the parents of each of these kids and told them if it's okay for them to come to our party. Booze may be involved, and I cant guaranteed etc that your kid wont be drinking. The parents say no, tell the kid to come home.

Now that kid will probably think his mom is strict, and may resent her etc,
all his friends will think he/she is a party pooper etc and the kid might not be invited to future parties. No teenager wants that.
Plus, no one is forcing kids to drink at these parties. If you told your kid not to drink and they have those values instilled upon them, they may not drink. Or they may just have a couple sips. They can still attend and enjoy themselves. Many parents may be reasonable and just say don’t drink too much.

[iEatClams]

you're assuming a lot there

what if a kid ended up having alcohol poisoning at your party? or overdosed on some shady E (as per recent events) or ended up drinking & driving and crashing/dying/killing someone?

what are you going to do then? "ooh not my problem, they got bad parents"




I think the main argument you and dino are making is the legal liability argument in the last few posts. We've mentioned that if an adult is nearby that they can respond to these events and respond appropriately. We've also mentioned that kids drink more responsibility when they know parents are nearby as to not do anything stupid.

In terms of legal liability, I would like to say that these parties have been happening since forever, and are still happening today.

Now there's a lot of grey in this, and it depends on certain scenarios. But no parent wants to see another kid get hurt, probability is really low (no stats to back me up) of such an event occurring too I would imagine.

Most parents know or should the other parents friends, and parents tend not to press charges against other humans that have no intention of deliberately trying to harm their child.

2nd, its very difficult to prove in the courts, with minimal penalties.

I'm not even going go into this as theres soo much this can open up and has many scenarios.

-- parents can supply limited alcohol so no one goes overboard
-- parents "supply" the alcohol by having it in the fridge, but it's implied that the kids can go drink from there, no verbal or actual "go ahead and drink son" message is relayed
-- parents are not the taste-testers, for all we know it was coke, not coke-rum.

etc etc etc
I can really go on and on forever here.

Again, parties like these have been happening for ages, over time people develop ways to not get in trouble.


I know I’ve typed a lot here, but one more thing I like to mention.

Most of the people I know that allow kids to drink/party in their home are good people with good intentions. They don’t want their kids to grow up an addict or are saying getting drunk is okay. They understand what its like to be young and wish to reduce the risk for their kids, this also develops a better rapport/relationship with their kids as well, and to learn about their friends etc.

It’s like what they said in that book Freakonomics, Parents that buy lots of parenting books tend to be good parents, but is it really because they bought those books? Or is it the fact that they CARED enough about their kids and about being a good parent that they bought books on parenting that causes them to be great parents.

[iEatClams]

I think page 10 is the most annoying yet.

You guys are looking at black and white. OK...there is a huge difference for me, between a kid that is 12-16 and one that is 16-19 first of all. So maybe we should be specifying, because I'm looking at ages 12-16. Obviously, I'm not going to come down on a kid a day before its 19th birthday because you are 24 hours away from being legal. At which point, an 18-19 year old hanging in a safe place having a bit to drink is a vastly different scenario than my 13 year old.

Would you all agree to that?



There's a lot of grey here, definitely. It's all a matter of opinion really and depends on many factors. Personally, I'ld say 11-14 etc is not appropriate, and 17-18 I definitely give more lee-way. 15-16 is borderline for me. However, all these ages I still think it depends on the kids too.







So he's in your rec room. Going to hand him a beer? How about a joint?

I can only answer this for myself. and based on the limited description you mentioned, I wouldn't. One, he's not my kid, it depends how close he is of a friend to my son. If I know him really well, I would probably ask him, have you tried drinking before etc. and if not, I wouldn't want to be the first person to introduce it to him, but whose to know for certain he hasnt tried it before. If he says he's had a sample before, then it's a different story.
But the answer is it depends, I agree, it's not black or white.


Off- topic here, but I want to add that north american kids these days are way too sheltered in my opinion. 20-40 years ago this wouldn't even be an issue. Kids would have been working when they were 12 to pay for their own shiet. They see things like blood, death, war, pain etc and are not as sensitive. Their uncles, relatives etc, would offer them a sample of drinks, and they would either say no or yes.

Even today, teenagers in Europe, south america and asia, they start drinking when they reach that 16-17 age etc.
I guess it's a culture thing here.

anyways- I understand the need to be politically correct, but just my opinion, and for lack of a better term, kids these days seem to be "pussies". most teenagers dont know how to do regular house maintenance or change a flat tire.

Most of my friends and I would be pretty ashamed if our son couldn't handle ONE bloody drink by the time they reach 18.

[taylor192]

+ how in the hell can you even imagine a parent being able to control an entire party
Put me back on block, if you ever did in the first place.

A handful of Fraternity brothers can handle a 500 person keg party.
A few bouncers and wait staff can handle a 1000 capacity club.
A couple parents can handle a few kids.

Give me a break, you took me off block to give that faulty logic. :facepalm:

[taylor192]

Answer the question. I know where my kid is. He's in your rec room. It's 11pm.
Yet you have no clue what your kid is doing. The whole point of "do you know where your kid is at 11 o'clock" is "I know what my kid is doing". You clearly would not.

Lawyered, again.

ANSWER THE QUESTION
If I answer it, you confirm that you blame others cause you don't know what your kid is doing and that you'll be a terrible parent.

Are you sure you want that answer?

[taylor192]

I taught my kid how to turn down shit not how to do it.
When she is with close family and friends now almost 16 I let her drink a little and if a friend of mine is smoking a joint she can partake but only if its in a controlled group with close family and friends present
To be fair, if you're letting her drink and smoke, you're showing her how to do it too.

Yet I get what you mean, its important to teach kids what's acceptable and what's not, and obviously booze and pot are acceptable to you, as they are for me.

[taylor192]

I'm going to let you off the hook. You can't answer because of the following:

You answer yes:

Well, you just said that you are willing to override another parent. Makes you kind of an asshole(:rolleyes: no comment). Also has you breaking the law(if not the spirit of it) and basically giving an unitiated kid a taste for booze and drugs.

So you answer no:

Well, you just negated 11 pages of arguments because when push comes to shove, you aren't actually cool with supplying kids with booze in your basement for a whole host of reasons. Namely, the chance that you could be supplying a good kid with a bad option.

So, you've chosen to circle around the issue and try to change the parameters of the test.

Everyone is bored of this thread, and its turned just stupid. I'm out. I think my point has been made, and I really had some fun in the last 2 pages and I am just not into arguing it anymore.

Until next time.
You'll be back, like Stylinred, you don't actually act on your words.

You're so black and white. You couldn't even imagine that you might get a call saying "hey grid, the kids want to party at their sleepover, are you ok with that?" or "hey grid, your kid says you're ok with drinking and smoking, just calling to confirm" or "hey grid, the kids want to have a couple drinks, wanna come over and have some beers and help watch them?"

There's so many more answers than "yes" and "no", you're just not open minded enough to consider them. That's too bad.

I used to drink and smoke at my friend's house thinking my parents didn't know. I found out as an adult how much parents talk to each other.

Sucks eh to try and setup someone up with such a narrow scope to win your argument, only to have it fall apart cause the scope is never that narrow. Maybe you'll go back to discussing now rather than trying to win, I doubt it, just like I doubt you're out.

Cya soon.

[Excelsis]

i can't keep up with these arguments, so fuck it tl;dr :fuckthatshit:

[StylinRed]

I think the main argument you and dino are making is the legal liability argument in the last few posts. We've mentioned that if an adult is nearby that they can respond to these events and respond appropriately. We've also mentioned that kids drink more responsibility when they know parents are nearby as to not do anything stupid.

no im leaning on more the moral issues here, legally parents are fucked plain and simple if they're facilitating other kids drinking/doing drugs even if nothing tragic happens.

[/quote]In terms of legal liability, I would like to say that these parties have been happening since forever, and are still happening today.

Most parents know or should the other parents friends, and parents tend not to press charges against other humans that have no intention of deliberately trying to harm their child.

2nd, its very difficult to prove in the courts, with minimal penalties.

I'm not even going go into this as theres soo much this can open up and has many scenarios.

-- parents can supply limited alcohol so no one goes overboard
-- parents "supply" the alcohol by having it in the fridge, but it's implied that the kids can go drink from there, no verbal or actual "go ahead and drink son" message is relayed
-- parents are not the taste-testers, for all we know it was coke, not coke-rum.

etc etc etc
I can really go on and on forever here. [/quote]

i dunno what ur saying here so im just addressing the bold portion, you're assuming too much again... and the moment a child gets hurt people, let alone parents, want blood/revenge/accountability we have cases that were in the media recently that show that parents will want to get that from anyone they can, even from their own immediate family members

as for the "its very hard to prove in court" i don't really know what you're saying here either but im assuming you mean its hard to prove that parents were negligent? the fact that they facilitated alcohol/drug use is an immediate sign of negligence (as its illegal) unless they try to lie/hide the fact that they were even there (and are able to prove that)



as per personal experience with family catered alcohol/drug parties the parents dont give a shit it seems more like they want to relive their youth than to provide a proper chaperoned party

i will concede not all parental chaperoned parties are done with a laissez faire attitude (something you can't seem to do) but even if they did their best to monitor the actions of the guests 1) they'll be hard pressed to do it properly due to the # of teens 2) they have no right to decide whats best for my kid

dont know how many times i need to repeat it :suspicious:

[StylinRed]

Put me back on block, if you ever did in the first place.

A handful of Fraternity brothers can handle a 500 person keg party.
A few bouncers and wait staff can handle a 1000 capacity club.
A couple parents can handle a few kids.

Give me a break, you took me off block to give that faulty logic. :facepalm:

no they can't... the evidence speaks for itself... even with bouncers and adults partying things more than often go awry every night @ a club.... and again you're just assuming the best.. and not considering the implications of what could go wrong and the right of you raising my kids but holding no responsibility if anything goes wrong


and you contradict yourself by saying you wouldnt allow your girlfriends kid to do ecstasy.... :fulloffuck:

you need to just quit it.... cuz as ive said before you're just blah blah blahhing and then slightly maneuvering your argument every time you get stumped and blahblah blahing some more and then berating when you're really stumped and just yell "facts facts facts" like the ones you're hearing aren't and as if you're conjecture does = facts... and then you tie in your sex ed teaching gf into this as if it adds some sort of affirmation to your presumptions rinse and repeat; ignored again permanently

[taylor192]

no they can't... the evidence speaks for itself... even with bouncers and adults partying things more than often go awry every night @ a club.... and again you're just assuming the best.. and not considering the implications of what could go wrong and the right of you raising my kids but holding no responsibility if anything goes wrong
If things "more often go awry" at a club, it'd be shut down. It does not "more often go awry", you're just wrong.

If we considered the implications we'd all stay home in bubbles. Thankfully most people have some common sense, which isn't so common in this thread. You might want to find some and stop picking our exceptions and red herrings to make a point.

and you contradict yourself by saying you wouldnt allow your girlfriends kid to do ecstasy.
I wouldn't want anyone to do chemical drugs made by god knows who using god knows what, for the exact reason the girl in Abbotsford died.

That said, if she really wanted to do it and I couldn't talk her out of it, I'd rather it be supervised so if the shit hit the fan something can be done asap.

you need to just quit it
You need to follow through on your promises. You promised not to continue replying and put me on block. The credibility of your arguments is about the same as your promises.

[underscore]

what a fucking stupid idea. there's a fine line between providing a safe environment and encouraging kids that wouldn't otherwise be drinking to drink underage. The first time I drank I think I was 15? and we were basically tipsy. I can't imagine getting bombed at 13, that's retarded (and what, only 2/3 of the way to legal? fuck sakes)

[spyker]

Man with all this arguing in this thread,I say we set up a boxing ring for the next RS meet,the proceeds from the wagers will go to charity and the scores will be settled once in for all.No more hiding behind a computer screen insulting,bashing and plain degrading people,talk is cheap.

Taylor192 vs..........

[trancehead]

why the need for a boxing match? are we all tough guys here?

its a battle of brains and wit. if someone can't handle the ascension, then hit the streets and fight it out with the other bums for last weeks half eaten sandwich in the dumpster

[dinosaur]

I don't fight...and I'm a girl. I could just kick him in the balls and run away though...
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[dinosaur]

I wouldn't want anyone to do chemical drugs made by god knows who using god knows what, for the exact reason the girl in Abbotsford died.

That said, if she really wanted to do it and I couldn't talk her out of it, I'd rather it be supervised so if the shit hit the fan something can be done asap.


For fuck sakes, are you shitting me?! Couldn't talk her out of it?? What, does she have a fucking gun to your head?

What kind of kid are you going to raise that you are going to sit down and way the pros and cons of doing hard drugs (yes, I think X is a hard drug) and at the end if she still wants to do it, you will "let" her?! Oh, and good thing you are going to watch her do it because we all know that if an adult is present, there is NO WAY she'll OD on some fucked up batch of it.

Let's hope you luck out and talk your daughter outta murdering someone as well, if not...you gonna be there and support her with that too?? Ya know, to make sure it doesn't get outta hand...

Your logic and discourse is draining, you dodging questions and changing your angles ever so slightly is mind numbing, and your shit-ass trolling fucking attitude you barf out to anyone who looks in your direction is pathetic.

Go back to the hole you came from with your frat-boy attitude so you can fap to a picture of yourself in peace.

Can we finally move this to fight club??
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[m!chael]

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[StylinRed]

What Taylor is saying now, after altering his point once again, (from yes to no to no to maybe to you dont fucking understand me cuz you're stupid, to yes to...?) is that he would rather have his kid do drugs while he is around to make sure that everything is fine, than do it behind his back at some rave or house party with additional risk.



fixed

[CP.AR]

move the thread to FC already

[XplicitLuder]

First of all, how you can be such a cunt on a Friday morning is beyond me.

In regards to your reply to Taylor. Believe me (which you wont because you're ignorant and devoid of any meaningful thought processes), If your kids choose to do E, they will do it. What Taylor is saying is that he would rather have his kid do drugs while he is around to make sure that everything is fine, than do it behind his back at some rave or house party with additional risk.

Now this is where you will fail as a parent. You think that just telling a kid "NO" will stop him/her from doing it. This isn't how the real world works Dorothy. Kids will drink and smoke weed (its a fact of life), but its preferable for them to do this under supervision. What's even better about this is that parents can show their kids how to drink or smoke weed in moderation and hopefully those kids, if they choose to further experiment with those substances, will continue to use them in the same moderate manner. This is opposed to the binge drinking and faded smoking habits that most kids develop while experimenting with booze and weed at random parties or parks, behind their parents' backs.

altho i believe most kids WILL drink and smoke weed, it's not a FACT of life that this will happen. I have drank alcohol, but have rejected the weed from my friends and im around them 24/7 even while they blaze. No, im no "badass" over here because i haven't done it, but i'm just saying that there's a difference between someone CHOSING to do it and someone WILL do it because of said "fact" that doesn't even exist

[gars]

First of all, how you can be such a cunt on a Friday morning is beyond me.

In regards to your reply to Taylor. Believe me (which you wont because you're ignorant and devoid of any meaningful thought processes), If your kids choose to do E, they will do it. What Taylor is saying is that he would rather have his kid do drugs while he is around to make sure that everything is fine, than do it behind his back at some rave or house party with additional risk.

Now this is where you will fail as a parent. You think that just telling a kid "NO" will stop him/her from doing it. This isn't how the real world works Dorothy. Kids will drink and smoke weed (its a fact of life), but its preferable for them to do this under supervision. What's even better about this is that parents can show their kids how to drink or smoke weed in moderation and hopefully those kids, if they choose to further experiment with those substances, will continue to use them in the same moderate manner. This is opposed to the binge drinking and faded smoking habits that most kids develop while experimenting with booze and weed at random parties or parks, behind their parents' backs.

This is where you will fail as a parent. You seem to think that you have little influence over your child - that you are unable to talk a child out of doing things when they really want to do it.

No one is telling you to be a dictator in your household. That works with some children but not all. I would hope that I would have an open enough relationship with my children that I am able to talk about drugs and alcohol openly and get them to understand the dangers and talk them out of doing things such as ecstacy.

You guys talk about weed as if every high school student does it. I didn't do it in high school. None of my close friends ever smoked it in high school, and I can tell you that the majority of my high school class never smoked it then either. Like Taylor says, it's the rule, not the exception. Maybe all of you guys went to a different school where every kid is smoking a joint a day, I don't know.

[LSF22]

What's even better about this is that parents can show their kids how to drink or smoke weed in moderation and hopefully those kids, if they choose to further experiment with those substances, will continue to use them in the same moderate manner.


So just because you tell your kid to do it in moderation they will? So what happens (which more than likely will) when it's NOT in moderation... then what?

P.S I'm not sure why there's a need to be calling anyone cunts or any names for that matter... isn't this suppsosed to be a mature conversation/debate?

[dyan]

So just because you tell your kid to do it in moderation they will? So what happens (which more than likely will) when it's NOT in moderation... then what?

they od and die :troll:

If it gets out of hand, even supervision can't stop them. Yes I know a few people that have these "supervised" parties. However even when the parents tell the kids and his/her peers to stop, they don't have to listen. There is no difference between supervised and unsupervised at this point.

ex. they want to get piss drunk, they will with or without supervision.

ps. thread needs to move to fc

[Sid Vicious]

experimentation and experiences with drugs and alcohol are vital to normal development in children.

universities and society as a whole are already polluted with socially retarded sheltered drones, do we want any more?

just teach your kids to stay away from the "big 3". i.e. meth, crack/cocaine, and heroine and you're good!

[taylor192]

You guys talk about weed as if every high school student does it. I didn't do it in high school. None of my close friends ever smoked it in high school, and I can tell you that the majority of my high school class never smoked it then either. Like Taylor says, it's the rule, not the exception. Maybe all of you guys went to a different school where every kid is smoking a joint a day, I don't know.
Stats say 1 in 20 are daily users, 1 in 5 are casual users, and 1 in 3 have tried it.

Those are large enough numbers to not be exceptions, yet I'll agree, its definitely not as big a deal as many are making it out to be. That's why I fluffed off the extacy comment, cause and even smaller minority of teens will use hard drugs.

[taylor192]

ps. thread needs to move to fc
If it goes to FC it dies. There's a lot of negativity which is expected for a sensitive topic, yet only a couple incidents of outright insulting which for the most part didn't go anywhere - not worth losing good information in the depths of FC.

[taylor192]

For fuck sakes, are you shitting me?! Couldn't talk her out of it?? What, does she have a fucking gun to your head?
People are going to do what they are going to do.

Oh, and good thing you are going to watch her do it because we all know that if an adult is present, there is NO WAY she'll OD on some fucked up batch of it.
It is less likely she'll pop too many pills, and more likely if something bad happens it'll be dealt with swiftly and appropriately - unlike the alternative if something goes wrong they hide it from strict parents until its too late.

I don't expect you to understand that, you blame others.

Let's hope you luck out and talk your daughter outta murdering someone as well, if not...you gonna be there and support her with that too?? Ya know, to make sure it doesn't get outta hand...
Glad to see common sense isn't so common.

Your logic and discourse is draining, you dodging questions and changing your angles ever so slightly is mind numbing, and your shit-ass trolling fucking attitude you barf out to anyone who looks in your direction is pathetic.
Its only draining cause you lack the intellect to keep up. What you wrote is trolling, insults for no other purpose than to get a rise out of someone - cause you've run out of something intelligent to say.

Perhaps you should take a timeout, like the stupid kid that needs to sit in the corner and think about why they are acting out.

Go back to the hole you came from with your frat-boy attitude so you can fap to a picture of yourself in peace.
The nail in the coffin, cementing your stupidity.

Can we finally move this to fight club??

FC is about your level of intellect, I ca see why you want to move it there.
Since you learned how to google "taylor192" you can search RS and notice I don't post in FC. I'm interested in discussions and facts, you're welcome to go to FC and troll with insults.

[Excelsis]

i wanted to visit this thread again to see what's happening :fulloffuck:

:inoutugh:

[GabAlmighty]

Posting in retard thread

[MindBomber]

Its only draining cause you lack the intellect to keep up. What you wrote is trolling, insults for no other purpose than to get a rise out of someone - cause you've run out of something intelligent to say.

Perhaps you should take a timeout, like the stupid kid that needs to sit in the corner and think about why they are acting out.


You, Taylor, did not include a single true rebuttal in your entire response to Dino. Perhaps, it's not Dino who has run out of things to say, but yourself. Furthermore, it's not your superior intelligence that ends these discussions, it's that discussing things with you is exasperating. I could debate a topic with Marco for pages, but you, not so much.

More insults have been included in this discussion by you than anyone else, so it's ironic that you don't post in fight club and criticize others for identical behavior.

[gars]

Stats say 1 in 20 are daily users, 1 in 5 are casual users, and 1 in 3 have tried it.

Those are large enough numbers to not be exceptions, yet I'll agree, its definitely not as big a deal as many are making it out to be. That's why I fluffed off the extacy comment, cause and even smaller minority of teens will use hard drugs.

Do you have any stats for Alcohol as well?

I'm sure the numbers will change for different schools, backgrounds, and demographics as well.

[TOS'd]

If this thread goes to FC, our post count will decrease. This thread better not go to FC.

[CP.AR]

I was craving some Mc Donalds apple pie today.
I stopped by the McDonalds on Victoria + 41st.
damn McD ran out of Apple pie and only had that Oreo one left...

WHAT MCDONALDS RUNS OUT OF FREAKING APPLE PIE??? WTF?

[TOS'd]

I was craving some Mc Donalds apple pie today.
I stopped by the McDonalds on Victoria + 41st.
damn McD ran out of Apple pie and only had that Oreo one left...

WHAT MCDONALDS RUNS OUT OF FREAKING APPLE PIE??? WTF?

http://www.revscene.net/forums/597343-i-love-mcdonalds-you-do-too.html

[dinosaur]

9775

[MindBomber]

http://i42.tinypic.com/257lu6c.jpg

[El Bastardo]

Some of you people have taken the opportunity to have a mature discussion about an interesting approach to youth substance use and used it to soapbox your moral and intellectual points of view.

Not every parent will have the "right" approach to working with their children on substance use and not every point of view that you deem "ineffective" (or as some have stated, "stupid") is necessarily so.

This thread shouldn't've degraded into name calling and finger pointing. Its a discussion, not a bunch of chickens pecking at each other in a coop.

I have no opinion on underage drug use as I'm not a drug user (contrary to what a shocking number of you seem to believe) but I expected more from a group of (supposed) adults.

[taylor192]

Furthermore, it's not your superior intelligence that ends these discussions, it's that discussing things with you is exasperating.
It absolutely does. Its draining to actually have to look something up and come up with a researched opinion - its easy to write an unresearched off the cuff opinion.

I could debate a topic with Marco for pages, but you, not so much.
Cause you don't offer facts, you offer off the cuff opinion. Facts trump all, if you cannot offer any in rebuttal the discussion dies quickly. Thus why many cannot debate long with me, they run out of information.

More insults have been included in this discussion by you than anyone else, so it's ironic that you don't post in fight club and criticize others for identical behavior.
I haven't attacked anyone's family, friends, car, history, ... I have only pointed the ""ineffectiveness" of their "not so smart" opinion. If that's an insult, the shoe fits.

[taylor192]

Do you have any stats for Alcohol as well?

I'm sure the numbers will change for different schools, backgrounds, and demographics as well.
I'm sure you can find some, and they'll be higher. :thumbsup:

[taylor192]

Not every parent will have the "right" approach to working with their children on substance use and not every point of view that you deem "ineffective" (or as some have stated, "stupid") is necessarily so.
"ineffective" is a much better term, thanks! How about "not very smart" instead of "stupid".

The crux of my argument is that its "not very smart" to use "ineffective" techniques when there is so much material available on effective techniques. We spend so much time and effort on academics for our kids. ~90% graduate high school, ~40%+ go to post secondary education - that we should spend just as much if not more educating ourselves in non-academic areas like parenting too - and I think "it is not smart" to not do so.

That said, no-one touched religion in this thread surprisingly. I think what religion teaches is "ineffective" and "not very smart" yet that's not a moral discussion I wish to have.

[Excelsis]

why is this argument still going on?????????

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :lawl:

[dinosaur]

fact: bears eat beets

evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9Kqa2TU20c

[melloman]

That said, if she really wanted to do it and I couldn't talk her out of it, I'd rather it be supervised so if the shit hit the fan something can be done asap.

Does your GF know that there is a possibility that you will give her child hard drugs? :suspicious:

[Gridlock]

I am compelled to ask you about strawberry vaginas. Are they on sale this week?

[melloman]

Nope sorry. Finished all of them last night. ;)

[Nightwalker]

Hey kids, don't do drugs. (without me)

[Hondaracer]

Lol gridlock and dinosaur should get fucking points for just posting meaningless off-topic BS instead of addressing the points Taylor and others lay out

Not that I've ever agreed whole heatedly nor had anything against Taylor nor gotten into an argument with him but the way he presents his side has alot more standing then gridlock and dinosaur..

If you guys have kids odds are they will be the one with a needle in their arm when they get thrown into an unknown world from the sheltered fantasy you clowns seem to think is reality.
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[Excelsis]

fuck you guys, stop arguing about this shit everyone has their opinion whether it's right or wrong

taylor will keep arguing for countless pages if he needs to, and the others will counter argue

[Gridlock]

Lol gridlock and dinosaur should get fucking points for just posting meaningless off-topic BS instead of addressing the points Taylor and others lay out

Not that I've ever agreed whole heatedly nor had anything against Taylor nor gotten into an argument with him but the way he presents his side has alot more standing then gridlock and dinosaur..

If you guys have kids odds are they will be the one with a needle in their arm when they get thrown into an unknown world from the sheltered fantasy you clowns seem to think is reality.
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HondaRacist, dude I don't know what your panties are in a bunch about.

Really, its everyone else that is not acknowledging our facts.

Like, did you know that your foot is equal in length to your arm between your elbow and your wrist? It's true. I saw it in a movie.

http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/Pretty-Woman-Richard-Julia-Polo.jpg

[GabAlmighty]

That's a fucking lie Gridlock and you know it

[MindBomber]

Lol gridlock and dinosaur should get fucking points for just posting meaningless off-topic BS instead of addressing the points Taylor and others lay out


I don't think Gridlock and Dino should receive points, they've presented and conducted themselves well throughout the thread and having discussed it with other members, I Known, I am not alone in that opinion.

You however, should have been banned multiple times for your racist statements.

[Hondaracer]

lol banned multiple times? the only time i've ever been banned in a period of 10 years on RS was asking for a boxing stream like 4 months ago.. glad i'm considered a racist though because of a fairly neutral stance i took on indians..

fuckin clowns

[dinosaur]

9831

[Gridlock]

..

[MindBomber]

lol banned multiple times? the only time i've ever been banned in a period of 10 years on RS was asking for a boxing stream like 4 months ago.. glad i'm considered a racist though because of a fairly neutral stance i took on indians..

fuckin clowns

How very neutral.

I dunno I'm somewhat on his side as well, every Indian I've ever known has either tried to fuck over myself or someone I know, they are basically all losers who will scam even "friends" to get slightly ahead and the most successfull one I was ever aquainted to was pretty much the defintion of the word stereotype, nicknamed cheif, a full blown alcholic

I've got no time for em as well
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[Gridlock]

How very neutral.

Win!

[taylor192]

I am compelled to ask you about strawberry vaginas. Are they on sale this week?
:hi:

[taylor192]

I don't think Gridlock and Dino should receive points, they've presented and conducted themselves well throughout the thread and having discussed it with other members, I Known, I am not alone in that opinion.
I don't think anyone deserves points. I'm a big boy, I can take it and dish it out.

You however, should have been banned multiple times for your racist statements.
I've gotten an infraction for a not-so-humourous comment about Iranians, so I'm sure the mods would have punted him if it was that bad.

[underscore]

Looks like the stupid has come up to Kelowna as well. Fuck what a dumb bitch of a mother Closing time for party bus - Kelowna News - Castanet.net (http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-70073-1-.htm#70073)

[MindBomber]

I've gotten an infraction for a not-so-humourous comment about Iranians, so I'm sure the mods would have punted him if it was that bad.

Since this thread has digressed so far from the original topic, I might as well address this further.

It's a forum, moderators aren't always entirely consistent in their evaluation of posts nor are all reviewed, which is to be expected considering they are volunteers.

A prime example would be the below quote from Ronin, it is one of the most racist statements I have ever personally encountered and not only did it not receive points, but he's a moderator.

Sorry but the Natives are a lost cause and the government should just cut them off. It's a waste of money and resources.

Seriously, give them nothing...what are they going to do about it? Go to war? If they don't like it, they'll have to make something of themselves. If not then they'll just be another extinct race that won't be missed anywhere. You never hear anyone say "Damn, I wish the Aztecs weren't wiped out."

No one will care. They've made few contributions to the human race and are a drain on society.

[taylor192]

A prime example would be the below quote from Ronin, it is one of the most racist statements I have ever personally encountered and not only did it not receive points, but he's a moderator.
You may not like it, yet its not racist.

One of my favourite authors, Desmond Morris, studies humans. One of his books starts off with why he doesn't study certain humans - any society not moving forward is doing something wrong.

I would cut our losses too... yet that's another topic.

[Gridlock]

:hi:

:whistle:

[MindBomber]

You may not like it, yet its not racist.

One of my favourite authors, Desmond Morris, studies humans. One of his books starts off with why he doesn't study certain humans - any society not moving forward is doing something wrong.

I would cut our losses too... yet that's another topic.

Ronin is a racist, that comment is clearly motivated as a result of prejudice against native people stemming from inaccurate and baseless assumptions.

Native people in Canada were subjected to a unique attempt at moral cultural genocide through residential schools for more than a century, and in an attempt to preserve and re-assert what culture was not destroyed continue to live on the ancestral lands provided by the government. Those lands are more often than not, valueless hell holes that have no practical use, but allow the community to stay together and that is fundamentally important in re-discovering native languages and other parts of our cultural heritage which have almost entirely been lost. While you, with an uneducated knowledge base, may believe Native people are not progressing as a society, as a people we fight to harder than any other group in Canada to embrace our culture and correct the problems that were created by the government. It's only been a few decades since Native people began gaining equality and huge strides have been made since then. Reserves in areas with land value have consistently utilized it brilliantly, many reserves are dry and that policy is strictly enforced to break the three century old cycle of alcoholism, we arguably produce more artists per capita than any other group, I could go on.

[Hondaracer]

Yea we heard your residential school spiel before, people cried, people laughed, we got it.
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[taylor192]

Ronin is a racist, that comment is clearly motivated as a result of prejudice against native people stemming from inaccurate and baseless assumptions.
I'm assuming that you're Aboriginal, yet not everyone who disagrees with you is going to be "baseless".

residential schools
We cannot endlessly apologize and give retribution for past atrocities. Our legal system doesn't work that way. Make your case, take what the court decides and move on. Enough already, we wonder why many Canadians have disdain for Aboriginals.

Moving on.
While you, with an uneducated knowledge base, may believe Native people are not progressing as a society, as a people we fight to harder than any other group in Canada to embrace our culture and correct the problems that were created by the government.
Your definition of "progress" defers from mine, and thus why you're going to assume comments are racist. My definition of "progress" is advancing culture through innovation, technology, ... while yours seems to be "expanding cultural awareness".

You can expand cultural awareness all you want, if you're not keeping up with modern society, you're not progressing and offer little value other than a history lesson.

Now don't take that to be "hate" aka "racism". I appreciate aboriginal culture, yet look around, almost every culture is adapting and changing to our modern world. Even your culture is... more below:

Those lands are more often than not, valueless hell holes that have no practical use, but allow the community to stay together and that is fundamentally important in re-discovering native languages and other parts of our cultural heritage which have almost entirely been lost.
We live in the most multicultural society in the world. Many cultures have found roots here and built thriving communities without government assistance - why not Aboriginals?

I watched a documentary on the "urban reserve" a way to preserve the Aboriginal culture in urban environments without the need to be isolated in remote communities. You'll notice Canadians have shifted from rural to urban, with 80% of us living in urban centres - perhaps its time for the Aboriginal culture to "progress" and make this transition too.

Its a money losing effort to continually support remote communities, Aboriginal or otherwise.

It's only been a few decades since Native people began gaining equality and huge strides have been made since then.
Great, now instead of looking outwards, try looking inwards and fix those problems. Your communities have leaders making 6 figures (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/877455--exorbitant-salaries-among-aboriginal-chiefs-renew-calls-for-accountability) while 6 families sleep in a single house. If the people you chose to govern didn't rob from your own coffers, there would be more money to go around. Those 6 figure salaries build a lot of houses in remote areas.

Speaking of waste. One of my best buddies growing up was aboriginal. His family was no different than any other family in my small town, in fact they were among the better off as his parents had great jobs. When he went to university he received a subsidy cause he was aboriginal - even though he clearly did not need it. Again - another example of misappropriated funds which could be used to better these remote communities.

There are ~1.5 million Aboriginals in Canada, and we spend $8B+ supporting them meanwhile Aboriginals receive tax breaks Canadians do not. On average, each Aboriginal receives a couple $Ks a year in assistance. I can buy a nice house in rural Ontario for $50K, with a mortgage that works out to ~$250/mn or ~$3K/yr. For the money we're paying, each Aboriginal family should be able to own their own house. I know the money is spent on other things - yet its just to highlight that problems could be fixed if the Aboriginal government wanted it to be - instead they prefer to ask for more money.

I know you are not going to like my opinion, as essentially its the same as Ronin's yet hopefully you can see where it comes from and that its not "baseless assumptions".

[melloman]

I am compelled to ask you about strawberry vaginas. Are they on sale this week?
:hi:

Gird. taylor clearly has some strawberry vaginas, maybe you can have some of his?

[Gridlock]

Yea we heard your residential school spiel before, people cried, people laughed, we got it.
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HondaRacist strikes again with his "neutral stance" on aboriginals.

[Hondaracer]

*yawn
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[MindBomber]

I'm assuming that you're Aboriginal, yet not everyone who disagrees with you is going to be "baseless".

We cannot endlessly apologize and give retribution for past atrocities. Our legal system doesn't work that way. Make your case, take what the court decides and move on. Enough already, we wonder why many Canadians have disdain for Aboriginals.


Aboriginals have been looked down upon as a lower class of society in Canada since long before government began making retributions, much of the surviving racism is not simple resentment against disproportionately high funding, but surviving remnants of views from another era.


Your definition of "progress" defers from mine, and thus why you're going to assume comments are racist. My definition of "progress" is advancing culture through innovation, technology, ... while yours seems to be "expanding cultural awareness".


I agree, innovation, technology and et cetera are essential components of progressing as a culture and establishing ourselves in the modern world. Prior to that however, Aboriginal people need to heal as a society, tackling the problems of alcoholism, drug abuse and suicide are the first steps that sadly must be taken. It does not take a single generation to eliminate the destructive patterns that have developed in our communities, it is something that is more often than not passed on from parent to child and breaking that cycle is immensely difficult. Only two generations have matured since residential schools were no longer mandatory, I would argue that tremendous progress has been made.


You can expand cultural awareness all you want, if you're not keeping up with modern society, you're not progressing and offer little value other than a history lesson.

Now don't take that to be "hate" aka "racism". I appreciate aboriginal culture, yet look around, almost every culture is adapting and changing to our modern world. Even your culture is... more below:

Cultural is part of the healing process, it's not been made such a priority for I hate to use this example, but it's like drug addicts who become evangelicals.


We live in the most multicultural society in the world. Many cultures have found roots here and built thriving communities without government assistance - why not Aboriginals?


Certainly, my girlfriends Oma and Opa came to Canada from Holland post world war two, they've since built a thriving business and own millions in real estate. They received little, if any, government assistance. The difference is that they didn't have parents who drank, did drugs, abandoned them and had life skills passed down to them as a result. Those life skills were largely missing from several generations of Aboriginal people, because of the atrocities that occurred, since the atrocities were part of government policy it would seem reasonable that assistance be granted while we rebuild.


I watched a documentary on the "urban reserve" a way to preserve the Aboriginal culture in urban environments without the need to be isolated in remote communities. You'll notice Canadians have shifted from rural to urban, with 80% of us living in urban centres - perhaps its time for the Aboriginal culture to "progress" and make this transition too.

Its a money losing effort to continually support remote communities, Aboriginal or otherwise.


I wouldn't disagree with the idea that transitioning away from a rural lifestyle could be beneficial to many communities, it is a very reasonable statement. The connection that Aboriginal people hold to their traditional land is very important however, it would be difficult for many communities to up route and move to a more urban environment, it's something that is difficult to comprehend for someone from a different background I think.

What I, as well as many community leaders believe and having been pushing towards for several years is that rural reserves need to develop viable business strategies to bring jobs to the remote regions they live in. Programs like that have slowly been expanding and growing in number for several years, see, we are progressing.


Great, now instead of looking outwards, try looking inwards and fix those problems. Your communities have leaders making 6 figures (Canada News: Exorbitant salaries among aboriginal chiefs renew calls for accountability - thestar.com (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/877455--exorbitant-salaries-among-aboriginal-chiefs-renew-calls-for-accountability)) while 6 families sleep in a single house. If the people you chose to govern didn't rob from your own coffers, there would be more money to go around. Those 6 figure salaries build a lot of houses in remote areas.


There are internal issues that need to be dealt with, but largely community leaders show tremendous dedication and abuse of power is an exception to the rule, not the standard. As well, Chief's on extremely financially successful reserves act not only as community, but business leaders and the pay levels are justified in those cases.

The majority of Cheifs earn less than $30k a year.


Nine chiefs — whose salaries are tax free — earned more than the take-home pay of federal cabinet ministers and 30 earned more than the provincial premiers. Five others earned nothing at all, while 77 chiefs received less than $30,000.


Speaking of waste. One of my best buddies growing up was aboriginal. His family was no different than any other family in my small town, in fact they were among the better off as his parents had great jobs. When he went to university he received a subsidy cause he was aboriginal - even though he clearly did not need it. Again - another example of misappropriated funds which could be used to better these remote communities.

There are ~1.5 million Aboriginals in Canada, and we spend $8B+ supporting them meanwhile Aboriginals receive tax breaks Canadians do not. On average, each Aboriginal receives a couple $Ks a year in assistance. I can buy a nice house in rural Ontario for $50K, with a mortgage that works out to ~$250/mn or ~$3K/yr. For the money we're paying, each Aboriginal family should be able to own their own house. I know the money is spent on other things - yet its just to highlight that problems could be fixed if the Aboriginal government wanted it to be - instead they prefer to ask for more money.


Government allocates those funds, Aboriginal people frequently request funds be used differently and are outright ignored by government. That might be in the news this week actually.


I know you are not going to like my opinion, as essentially its the same as Ronin's yet hopefully you can see where it comes from and that its not "baseless assumptions".

I can respect your opinions, because you have legitimate reasoning behind them. Ronin however, made statements far worse than yours repeatedly, he is a racist.

[toyobaru]

I love how this went from parent approved partying to now what was the "Free Alcohol Lounge" thread I had created a while back where it was Dinosaur, Gridlock, and Mindbomber pointing the racist finger who didnt agree with them.

What did natives have to do with parent approved partying. maybe the three of you need to stop bringing up that shit topic seems like you two have an obsession with natives. maybe you should put your pay cheque to support them or maybe grid and dino can give them proper housin since you guys do property management.

[taylor192]

I can respect your opinions, because you have legitimate reasoning behind them.
Cool. :thumbsup: and vice versa, you'll notice I kept my replies clean, cause I enjoy discussion with knowledgeable people - its the best way to learn!

I could debate a topic with Marco for pages, but you, not so much.
I think we could debate for pages on this topic (with the exception of the occasional bad Indian joke, no way I could resist that) yet I'll leave it for another thread, we're already very far off topic :)

[s2upid]

prohibition causes abuse in the substance imo. teach responsibility and safe practices and let your kid decide. Educate them properly of the risks and if they're dumb enough to do something stupid or hang around idiots it's their own fault and you can kick them out when they're 18.

if my kid asked i'd tell them to gtfo and do it at someone elses house and let it be someone elses headache :)

[dinosaur]

I love how this went from parent approved partying to now what was the "Free Alcohol Lounge" thread I had created a while back where it was Dinosaur, Gridlock, and Mindbomber pointing the racist finger who didnt agree with them.

What did natives have to do with parent approved partying. maybe the three of you need to stop bringing up that shit topic seems like you two have an obsession with natives. maybe you should put your pay cheque to support them or maybe grid and dino can give them proper housin since you guys do property management.

Dude, what the fuck does this have to do with me?? I didn't turn this into a discussion about racism and aboriginal issues! I tried to keep this on-topic pages back and gave up when it became a shit show...wtf?!

[dinosaur]

yet I'll leave it for another thread, we're already very far off topic :)

:werd:

[Gridlock]

Well Syndicated, I'm so glad that the scarce resource of text on a forum is being monitored by you.

You know, as you mentioned, the same players take the same opposite stance on many issues, so maybe this should just be the thread where we just debate the shit on hand today. I think we all agree that Parent Approved Partying is a horse that's been beaten, turned into glue, used to make a table, then being discarded, being turned into a fire, that the ashes are thrown a....you get the point.

BTW, it kinda was MindBomber that mentioned HondaRacist's rampant racism(say that 3 times fast) Sorry to throw you under the bus MB. HondaRacist then tried to defend himself on his neutral stance, which was summarily crushed and off we go to page 14.

I say this with love, but if the thread disturbs you that much. Don't read it.

Other than a few people being called an uneducated cunt, and stupid(oh wait, that was all directed at the same person!) no one has truly been offended, but I'm sure the "I hate natives" crowd will pop by soon to make that happen.

[taylor192]

I see "rageguy" is on a fail spree, lets see if he can keep this going another page.

[rageguy]

I see "rageguy" is on a fail spree, lets see if he can keep this going another page.

I just discovered this thread. Taylor192, your opinions are completely valid. However, the other side of the argument (grid, dino, etc etc) are just as valid. You guys have different parenting styles. One side is more liberal and the other is not. There is no point in continuing this debate because you guys are mentally locked to your own sides.

I do however disagree with taylor's attitude in all 14 pages. Every single one of your posts contain educated argument but gives off a very snobby and stubborn attitude. That is why this thread went to 14 pages.

[taylor192]

I just discovered this thread. Taylor192, your opinions are completely valid. However, the other side of the argument (grid, dino, etc etc) are just as valid. You guys have different parenting styles. One side is more liberal and the other is not. There is no point in continuing this debate because you guys are mentally locked to your own sides.

I do however disagree with taylor's attitude in all 14 pages. Every single one of your posts contain educated argument but gives off a very snobby and stubborn attitude. That is why this thread went to 14 pages.
Its funny that the "liberal" and "effective" viewpoint supported by studies and common sense is also "stubborn". :)

I don't think "ineffective" arguments are valid - yet lots of people go about the daily lives being "ineffective" so be it, yet they shouldn't argue being "ineffective" is the "smart thing to do".

[Gridlock]

I do however disagree with taylor's attitude in all 14 pages. Every single one of your posts contain educated argument but gives off a very snobby and stubborn attitude. That is why this thread went to 14 pages.

:thumbsup:

Every single thread, every single post from what I noticed. Must be difficult perching on top of a 7 billion person pile. :rolleyes:

[TOS'd]

I see the end!

[toyobaru]

I see the end!

no epic picture with a motivating quote?:suspicious:

[taylor192]

:thumbsup:

Every single thread, every single post from what I noticed. Must be difficult perching on top of a 7 billion person pile. :rolleyes:
Someone once called it a pedestal, which was a really great analogy when I thought about it. Why try so hard to knock me off my pedestal to bring me down to your level? Why not try to educate yourself so you have your own pedestal higher than mine?

Since when did it become desirable to be on the bottom of that pile? :rolleyes:

[GabAlmighty]

Because I'm already at the top.

[taylor192]

Because I'm already at the top.
But Grid says I'm perched there... so :hi: neighbour!

[GabAlmighty]

But Grid says I'm perched there... so :hi: neighbour!

Good thing I'm wearing my 6" heels!

[MindBomber]

I love how this went from parent approved partying to now what was the "Free Alcohol Lounge" thread I had created a while back where it was Dinosaur, Gridlock, and Mindbomber pointing the racist finger who didnt agree with them.

Not true at all, the racist finger was pointed at only three people in the initial topic, but many more disagreed with my stance.


What did natives have to do with parent approved partying. maybe the three of you need to stop bringing up that shit topic seems like you two have an obsession with natives. maybe you should put your pay cheque to support them or maybe grid and dino can give them proper housin since you guys do property management.

My entire pay cheque goes to supporting a native ;)

MindBomber that mentioned HondaRacist's rampant racism(say that 3 times fast) Sorry to throw you under the bus MB. HondaRacist then tried to defend himself on his neutral stance, which was summarily crushed and off we go to page 14.


It's cool :)

Cool. :thumbsup: and vice versa, you'll notice I kept my replies clean, cause I enjoy discussion with knowledgeable people - its the best way to learn!

I agree completely - debates should be a path to greater knowledge, not an argument and sometimes two intelligent people just need to agree to disagree, if we all thought the same way this would be a very boring world.