[dinosaur]

Interesting article:

Global News | Parent-approved partying: who is responsible when things go wrong? (http://www.globalnews.ca/live-blog+discussion/6442558333/story.html)

Growing up, my best-friend's house was always the house we were allowed to drink (underage) and do drugs with her parents home. They were under the mentality that "you're going to do it anyways so it might as well be here".

As young as 13-14 we would get drunk and smoke pot every weekend with both her parents in approval...they even went as far as buying the alcohol for us and her dad giving us a little bit of weed.

As far as I knew, none of the other parents whose kids were there, were aware of the situation...including mine. If my parents had found out, I would have been in so much shit and they never would have approved of the situation. All they knew was that I was sleeping over at so-and-so's house.

Her parents were not white-trash or anything, just normal middle-class people with a nice house, etc.

Looking back at it now, if I had a kid and he/she was doing that with their friend's parents approval, I would be livid!! And, I would not want the responsibility of being "those" type of parents.

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

interesting! If i had kids, I would've never let them party at my place. It's huge responsibility if things go wrong =( especially if they are underage.

[Kim Jong Un]

I do understand that it's wrong to support their habit at such a young age, but at the same time with news like kids overdosing on E and drinking and driving I think that it is some what safer for them to have fun at home under parent's supervision.

[Gridlock]

Interesting article:

Global News | Parent-approved partying: who is responsible when things go wrong? (http://www.globalnews.ca/live-blog+discussion/6442558333/story.html)

Growing up, my best-friend's house was always the house we were allowed to drink (underage) and do drugs with her parents home. They were under the mentality that "you're going to do it anyways so it might as well be here".

As young as 13-14 we would get drunk and smoke pot every weekend with both her parents in approval...they even went as far as buying the alcohol for us and her dad giving us a little bit of weed.

As far as I knew, none of the other parents whose kids were there, were aware of the situation...including mine. If my parents had found out, I would have been in so much shit and they never would have approved of the situation. All they knew was that I was sleeping over at so-and-so's house.

Her parents were not white-trash or anything, just normal middle-class people with a nice house, etc.

Looking back at it now, if I had a kid and he/she was doing that with their friend's parents approval, I would be livid!! And, I would not want the responsibility of being "those" type of parents.

Given that "that" parent can't make the responsible decision to stay relatively sober at his daughter's wedding, I can say no, I wouldn't trust his decision making on behalf of my children.

I heard of those types of parents when I was growing up. I don't think its 'cool' at all. Since when are we a society that just gives up?

Shit..the kids are gonna fuck anyway, better put 'em on birth control and tell them not to use it. Gonna drink? Better do it here so I know its safe, but hey kids, don't abuse it and get used to it at an early age.

Horrible, horrible idea.

[dinosaur]

Given that "that" parent can't make the responsible decision to stay relatively sober at his daughter's wedding, I can say no, I wouldn't trust his decision making on behalf of my children.


Dude, seriously?! way to keep this shit generic and anonymous. I'd fail you if I didn't have to end up listening to you whine about it...

[CorneringArtist]

Sounds stupid to let kids party like that. If it was my kid, as he was having a big party, I'd better not tell him to do this...(2:18 in the video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Cy8eIhenr0w#t=138s

[quasi]

You can't decide what's best for other peoples kids. Parents who allow this happen in their home are totally irresponsible and in cases like the ones in the video they should have to pay out the ass in terms of getting there asses sued off.

[SpuGen]

So... basically, it's like a safe injection site. :lol

Is it really that hard to just beat your damn kids?

[kuruuze]

Shit..the kids are gonna fuck anyway, better put 'em on birth control and tell them not to use it. Gonna drink? Better do it here so I know its safe, but hey kids, don't abuse it and get used to it at an early age.

Horrible, horrible idea.

Is it such a terrible idea? In many places in Europe the legal drinking age is lower, as low as 16. Seems to have been working fine for them if they're still at it, now why isn't it working fine for us?

[dinosaur]

Is it such a terrible idea? In many places in Europe the legal drinking age is lower, as low as 16. Seems to have been working fine for them if they're still at it, now why isn't it working fine for us?

I see what you are saying...half of my family is British and it wasn't that rare for my father to say it was okay to have a bit of wine or cider at Christmas dinner with the fam, etc....(meanwhile my mother is freaking out).

But as young as 13? I think that is a little much. Also, it is not just have 1/2 a glass at dinner with YOUR parents, it is binge drinking in your friend's basement unsupervised.

It is the lack of responsibility and/or knowledge of all the parents of these kids. Like I said, my parents had NO CLUE that at 14 I was getting completely shit-faced in my friend's basement...with her parents providing the alcohol and allowing it to happen. That was, in retrospect, very wrong imo.

[jeffh]

well, no ones getting raped in the basement, and i bet there wasnt any fights or huge numbers of uninvited guests showing up to cause trouble

this is a better situation than having no adults involved atall IMO

[Lomac]

During high school, one of my friends parents would let us have big (as a relative term) parties where we could drink and smoke up. They weren't rednecks, just average middle aged, middle income people. Their neighbour was also a cop. :lol However, those of us who could drive at the time were required to leave our car keys with the parents and they'd lock 'em up until the following day. If we needed to leave for whatever reason, we had to either call a cab or one of the parents would drive us.

While I would hesitate to host drinking parties for my underage kids, I understand why they did it. They knew we were going to drink regardless of where we ended up, and at least this way they were able to control to a relatively strong degree any attempts at drinking and driving. As for drugs, it was never anything stronger than weed, which my friends parents smoked anyway. Better to have a bunch of stoned teens sitting in the backyard on the trampoline staring at the stars than drunkards fighting one another all night.

[bloodmack]

I know of parents who let their kids smoke green or drink but not parties. If i had to make a choice for my future kids, I'd let them do it depending on how comfortable I am with their friends.

[jpark]

During high school, one of my friends parents would let us have big (as a relative term) parties where we could drink and smoke up. They weren't rednecks, just average middle aged, middle income people. Their neighbour was also a cop. :lol However, those of us who could drive at the time were required to leave our car keys with the parents and they'd lock 'em up until the following day. If we needed to leave for whatever reason, we had to either call a cab or one of the parents would drive us.

While I would hesitate to host drinking parties for my underage kids, I understand why they did it. They knew we were going to drink regardless of where we ended up, and at least this way they were able to control to a relatively strong degree any attempts at drinking and driving. As for drugs, it was never anything stronger than weed, which my friends parents smoked anyway. Better to have a bunch of stoned teens sitting in the backyard on the trampoline staring at the stars than drunkards fighting one another all night.

same, i remember in highschool, one of my friends parents allowed us to have a fairly big party, except they sat by the door the WHOLE night and collected EVERYONES car keys who entered the door, or else they werent allowed in.
They also volunteered to drive the kids home after as well which i found quite nice.

IMO, if the party is well controlled under parental supervision like this, it could certainly prevent large amount of poor discretions the undeveloped teenage brains could make.. aka pitt meadows rave party etc etc.

its just many parents lack in such commitment and fall asleep or give up halfway through only to convince themselves to think that everythings under control

[Gridlock]

During high school, one of my friends parents would let us have big (as a relative term) parties where we could drink and smoke up. They weren't rednecks, just average middle aged, middle income people. Their neighbour was also a cop. :lol However, those of us who could drive at the time were required to leave our car keys with the parents and they'd lock 'em up until the following day. If we needed to leave for whatever reason, we had to either call a cab or one of the parents would drive us.

While I would hesitate to host drinking parties for my underage kids, I understand why they did it. They knew we were going to drink regardless of where we ended up, and at least this way they were able to control to a relatively strong degree any attempts at drinking and driving. As for drugs, it was never anything stronger than weed, which my friends parents smoked anyway. Better to have a bunch of stoned teens sitting in the backyard on the trampoline staring at the stars than drunkards fighting one another all night.

I don't dispute the logic, but I have a question. Did everyone else's parents know what was happening? I suspect not.

I would have your head if you were making those decisions for my child. Dino's parents said about as much 10 years later now that the cat is out of the bag. I continually advocate not imposing ones beliefs on another, and this is a clear example. Here we have some kids that are raised in a stricter household, that other parents obviously disagree with, so lets cut them out of the picture and provide a safe environment for you. Great ideals, but damned ugly in the details.

I don't want my kids to drink underage. I accept that they may want to try, and I view it as my RESPONSIBILITY to prevent them. Yes, I would prefer it to occur in a safe environment as opposed to in the back seat of a car somewhere, but my main issue is I don't want it to occur in the first place.

I fully agree with the age 19 legal limit. If I've done my job well, by the time you hit 19 you should know whats safe, and whats not safe and how to make responsible decisions.

I really hate the "its too hard, let's just give up" philosophy regarding a lot of these things. Teen sex. There's a huge one. Yes, abstinence only education policies don't work. I get that. In school, I was taught a "abstinence with education" format.

Sample:

"Hey! abstinence is the best way to avoid disease and pregnancy. Condoms work like this."

No one advocated one over the other. And I had a teacher that was very real in her dialogue, and still never made that link to "if you are going to do it, do it this way"

If a child comes to me and says, "I'd like to go on the pill", let's get it done. I'm going to talk to you about safety and decisions and all the rest, but we'll get it done. They've made the decision, and they have thought about the consequences. I've already done my work at this point! They've come to me. Taking a child and saying, "you are 14, let's cover birth control" is a parental approved license to screw.

Taking your child, and other people's children and giving them a parental approved license to drink is playing with fire.

And I can't help think a lot of it is wanting to be the "cool" parents.

If I can't raise a child that is capable of at least for a second thinking about tomorrow as opposed to just today, and think of consequences of their decisions even if they aren't fully understanding the long-range ramifications then I guess I do have to give up and say, here, be safe about it.

But a parent, any good parent, should never give up on their kids.

[quasi]

Parents within reason can allow their own kids to do whatever. If they think there kids are going to drink and want to let them do it in there home instead of somewhere else it's there prerogative. The problem is when you allow other kids to do stuff in your home when the parents of that child would not want them doing it. It's overstepping boundaries, inconsiderate and irresponsible without a doubt.

[XplicitLuder]

I don't dispute the logic, but I have a question. Did everyone else's parents know what was happening? I suspect not.

I would have your head if you were making those decisions for my child. Dino's parents said about as much 10 years later now that the cat is out of the bag. I continually advocate not imposing ones beliefs on another, and this is a clear example. Here we have some kids that are raised in a stricter household, that other parents obviously disagree with, so lets cut them out of the picture and provide a safe environment for you. Great ideals, but damned ugly in the details.

I don't want my kids to drink underage. I accept that they may want to try, and I view it as my RESPONSIBILITY to prevent them. Yes, I would prefer it to occur in a safe environment as opposed to in the back seat of a car somewhere, but my main issue is I don't want it to occur in the first place.

I fully agree with the age 19 legal limit. If I've done my job well, by the time you hit 19 you should know whats safe, and whats not safe and how to make responsible decisions.

I really hate the "its too hard, let's just give up" philosophy regarding a lot of these things. Teen sex. There's a huge one. Yes, abstinence only education policies don't work. I get that. In school, I was taught a "abstinence with education" format.

Sample:

"Hey! abstinence is the best way to avoid disease and pregnancy. Condoms work like this."

No one advocated one over the other. And I had a teacher that was very real in her dialogue, and still never made that link to "if you are going to do it, do it this way"

If a child comes to me and says, "I'd like to go on the pill", let's get it done. I'm going to talk to you about safety and decisions and all the rest, but we'll get it done. They've made the decision, and they have thought about the consequences. I've already done my work at this point! They've come to me. Taking a child and saying, "you are 14, let's cover birth control" is a parental approved license to screw.

Taking your child, and other people's children and giving them a parental approved license to drink is playing with fire.

And I can't help think a lot of it is wanting to be the "cool" parents.

If I can't raise a child that is capable of at least for a second thinking about tomorrow as opposed to just today, and think of consequences of their decisions even if they aren't fully understanding the long-range ramifications then I guess I do have to give up and say, here, be safe about it.

But a parent, any good parent, should never give up on their kids.

my only question to that though is do parents know, even if lets say the kid wasn't going to party at someone else's house with parents there? i mean most kids can lie or say they're going somewhere and that they aren't doing anything bad and it's all good. But in reality is most of them prob will go to a random place or park or w/e and drink up. Wouldn't you rather have found out they went to a "safe" environment under parent supervision then to some random house were the parents aren't there? I do get your point , do not get me wrong, but i think that at least this way it gives the parents who hosted the party, some kind of an at-eased mind because they are watching over them and making sure nothing happens to their own kid or other kids

[b0unce. [?]]

During high school, one of my friends parents would let us have big (as a relative term) parties where we could drink and smoke up. They weren't rednecks, just average middle aged, middle income people. Their neighbour was also a cop. :lol However, those of us who could drive at the time were required to leave our car keys with the parents and they'd lock 'em up until the following day. If we needed to leave for whatever reason, we had to either call a cab or one of the parents would drive us.

While I would hesitate to host drinking parties for my underage kids, I understand why they did it. They knew we were going to drink regardless of where we ended up, and at least this way they were able to control to a relatively strong degree any attempts at drinking and driving. As for drugs, it was never anything stronger than weed, which my friends parents smoked anyway. Better to have a bunch of stoned teens sitting in the backyard on the trampoline staring at the stars than drunkards fighting one another all night.

exactly how i went through it, minus the cop neighbour.

[Nightwalker]

If child is lying to their parents to go to a party, the real issue would be the trust between the parent and child. A parent-supervised party is like a best case scenario.

My roommate and his friends are underage and drink at my place, and sometimes my own friends are. I've got my place under control, never really worry about it.

[Gridlock]

my only question to that though is do parents know, even if lets say the kid wasn't going to party at someone else's house with parents there? i mean most kids can lie or say they're going somewhere and that they aren't doing anything bad and it's all good. But in reality is most of them prob will go to a random place or park or w/e and drink up. Wouldn't you rather have found out they went to a "safe" environment under parent supervision then to some random house were the parents aren't there? I do get your point , do not get me wrong, but i think that at least this way it gives the parents who hosted the party, some kind of an at-eased mind because they are watching over them and making sure nothing happens to their own kid or other kids

Yes.

But.

We're assuming a world where there are 2 options: drink elsewhere, or drink at "cool" parents house. If, on every Friday night, it is an absolute that little johnny gridlock is going to get hammered, then yes, lets get a safer place together.

But its not an absolute. These parents, by way of their child, is hosting an event. In the absence of that event, will there be others? Who knows? They have taken out other options by virtue of hosting their alcohol friendly party.

Maybe in the absence of that party, little johnny and his friends will go hang at the church to rap about Jesus.

And that becomes the issue. As a child, I could be faced with the issue of obtaining the alcohol, the location and the permission to be out with friends from my parents. That's 3 barriers.

Or, I could get permission to go to bobby's house. No barrier.

Which one am I going to choose? Obviously, drinking is cool! Let's get hammed!.

We aren't in a "here or there" situation, and they are eliminating choices in the quest to be the safe choice.

And, what happens when a kid is on some medication, or takes a drug unknown to the parental hosts and gets alcohol poisoning? There are so many negative variables, that I can't even begin on how bad this idea is.

[Nightwalker]

Is it such a terrible idea? In many places in Europe the legal drinking age is lower, as low as 16. Seems to have been working fine for them if they're still at it, now why isn't it working fine for us?

Actually, everything working fine there regarding alcohol is a myth.

[TheKingdom2000]

For my kids I would never host one of these drink/getting high parties... It's so stupid.

That being said, I would point out to my children that if they're going to drink/get high that is fine. Just as long as I know about it. And they can be sure I WILL NOT get angry if they are too drunk/too high to get home to just call me and I'll pick them up.

At least this way my kids won't be afraid to call me to pick them up in whatever condition they're in (hopefully). Kids drink and smoke weed. That's what they do. I won't give them any alcohol or weed, but I know they can get it sometimes. And when they do, I want to make sure they know that I won't get mad at them.

[rsx]

Insert king of the hill reference...

[Hondaracer]

Yes.

But.

We're assuming a world where there are 2 options: drink elsewhere, or drink at "cool" parents house. If, on every Friday night, it is an absolute that little johnny gridlock is going to get hammered, then yes, lets get a safer place together.

But its not an absolute. These parents, by way of their child, is hosting an event. In the absence of that event, will there be others? Who knows? They have taken out other options by virtue of hosting their alcohol friendly party.

Maybe in the absence of that party, little johnny and his friends will go hang at the church to rap about Jesus.

And that becomes the issue. As a child, I could be faced with the issue of obtaining the alcohol, the location and the permission to be out with friends from my parents. That's 3 barriers.

Or, I could get permission to go to bobby's house. No barrier.

Which one am I going to choose? Obviously, drinking is cool! Let's get hammed!.

We aren't in a "here or there" situation, and they are eliminating choices in the quest to be the safe choice.

And, what happens when a kid is on some medication, or takes a drug unknown to the parental hosts and gets alcohol poisoning? There are so many negative variables, that I can't even begin on how bad this idea is.

your examples sound like you were never in highschool.. or at least didnt party there..

dumb ass high school kids aint gonna just not drink cause they dont have a place to do it, back in highschool if we didnt have a place to go we'd go grab a 30 case and a beer bong and go chill at a fire in the bush, is that safer than a house?

its all relative but kids who want to drink will drink

[murd0c]

Both my parents have always been very open to me with everything. My dad said if I wanted to go out to drink when I was under age I could call him anytime if I needed a ride home. That being said they never gave me booze or weed but I could drink at my place if need be.

Kid's are going to go out and do these things no matter what because that's part of growing up and you honestly need the experience in ways to learn more about your self and the coming of age and my parents new that and mainly wanted to teach me the responsibility of my actions while going out and "having fun" which I feel is the most important overall lesson.

[dinosaur]

so....can you all tell who is going to be the "cool" parent when Grid and I pro-create?? ;)

[murd0c]

so....can you all tell who is going to be the "cool" parent when Grid and I pro-create?? ;)

You say that now but things always change when you are put in that situation. It's really easy to say who the cool parent is going to be but you just never know how you will actually react since it's always easier to say the things before you have to make that decision.

[m4k4v4li]

ttt

[dee242]

when i was younger my friend had a party at her house whos parents were both cops and were home at the time and am sure they knew we were drinking but they just told us to put it in a cup

but then again most of us were 16 some 14 n 15

[insomniac]

wow just read the article and i have been there before.

my friends dad did this for us all the time. really cool guy, drives a mint ferrari dino, hot rod and has 2 family cars. he converted the living room downstairs into a lounge where we can chill and hang out. i still remember the night of afterprom last year where he gave my friend joints (only of the night of prom because of the special occasion) and after we went back to his place and drank up he drove a group of us to after prom at aubar. he picked us up and everything to ensure that everyone is safe. i thought he was a pretty cool guy. maybe because my parents would never do the same but i would feel more comfortable if i had parents like that because all through high school i had to hide everything from my parents. dont get me wrong, my dad is a pretty cool guy too but because most of the people on his side of the family died from lung cancer from smoking my dad is against smoking and drugs. i still think positively of my friends parents but i wonder if my opinion will change when im older.

[threezero]

I had super strict parents growing up and as a consequence i had to hide everything from them at 13-15 partying at my house was allow but a total buzz kill with no illicit anything and everybody sent home at 11pm. hell we even get yell at if we swear. so I took the partying somewhere else, unsupervised. Did alot of crazy and fuck up shit that probably would not have taken place if i was partying at a friends place with "cool" parents but hey is part of growing up right?

Now that i'm alot older, I've open up alot to my parents, we would talk and discuss about things I never thought i would have told them in my teenage years. True be told there are still some part of my life that I would not share with my parents, but that does not mean I don't love them or respect them. Looking back I did alot of dumb shit while partying and I would certainly lose respect for my parents in my adults yrs if they approve of my dumb behaviour as a teen, on the other hand i had to have that experience on my own in order to grow up. As a teen i would think that "man my parents sucks, they don't let me do this do that or that" now I know that yea my parents were right.

I will always respect my parents for giving me rules and boundaries while at the same time being so forgiving (did not think so as a teen though, being grounded for a week ARE U FUCKING KIDDING ME) when i do go against their guidance.

but i guess that just me... i can't imagine getting drunk or blazing with my parents but I will so sit down with them and have a serious heart to heart conversation and expect honest words of wisdom and guidance from them

[xilley]

asian parents.. Not happenin

[Excelsis]

idiot parents...

that's all

[taylor192]

Interesting article:

Global News | Parent-approved partying: who is responsible when things go wrong? (http://www.globalnews.ca/live-blog+discussion/6442558333/story.html)

Growing up, my best-friend's house was always the house we were allowed to drink (underage) and do drugs with her parents home. They were under the mentality that "you're going to do it anyways so it might as well be here".

As far as I knew, none of the other parents whose kids were there, were aware of the situation...including mine.

Looking back at it now, if I had a kid and he/she was doing that with their friend's parents approval, I would be livid!! And, I would not want the responsibility of being "those" type of parents.
So you're a hypocrite? You took advantage of "those" parents, yet don't want to be one yourself.

I plan to be one of "those" parents. Many Quebec parents are "those" parents and it works very well. I remember my teenage GF's parents putting my bag in her room, cause that's where I would be sleeping over. So much smarter than us sneaking out to do the same shit elsewhere.

[dinosaur]

So you're a hypocrite? You took advantage of "those" parents, yet don't want to be one yourself.

I plan to be one of "those" parents. Many Quebec parents are "those" parents and it works very well. I remember my teenage GF's parents putting my bag in her room, cause that's where I would be sleeping over. So much smarter than us sneaking out to do the same shit elsewhere.

Really? You are calling me a hypocrite b/c my 13-14 year old brain could not process the ramifications that could have come from binge drinking in my friends basement some 15 or so years ago?

In retrospect, this shit we did when we were fucked at 13, I am shocked we made it out okay.

So fine, go ahead and call me a fucking hypocrite from not wanting to supply my 13 year old daughter we bags a weed and cases of beer while I sleep upstairs just because I did it.

There is nothing you have learned in you life that has you wanting better for your kids? Say....maybe being an over-opinionated dick?

[Excelsis]

IMO, if you haven't convinced your children to stay away from drugs, alcohol, w/e you're a bad parent and that's the end of it

[Gridlock]

wow just read the article and i have been there before.

my friends dad did this for us all the time. really cool guy, drives a mint ferrari dino, hot rod and has 2 family cars. he converted the living room downstairs into a lounge where we can chill and hang out. i still remember the night of afterprom last year where he gave my friend joints (only of the night of prom because of the special occasion) and after we went back to his place and drank up he drove a group of us to after prom at aubar. he picked us up and everything to ensure that everyone is safe. i thought he was a pretty cool guy. maybe because my parents would never do the same but i would feel more comfortable if i had parents like that because all through high school i had to hide everything from my parents. dont get me wrong, my dad is a pretty cool guy too but because most of the people on his side of the family died from lung cancer from smoking my dad is against smoking and drugs. i still think positively of my friends parents but i wonder if my opinion will change when im older.

And have we noticed a trend? All the "cool" parents providing booze and weed are all taking it from their personal stash of....oh yeah, their booze and weed.

So of course its no big deal as they do it themselves. Now, alcohol isn't such a big deal, but I'm talking the bigger drinkers, not the casual merlot with dinner.

[dlo]

IMO, if you haven't convinced your children to stay away from drugs, alcohol, w/e you're a bad parent and that's the end of it

theres too many factors to be put into to blame for a parent for their kid's usage of drugs/liqour, they may be at partial fault, but its not all theirs

[Excelsis]

why not?

A parent gives advice, a parent motivates his children, a parent is a friend, a parent teaches his children to having a better mind

Yes there's peer pressure, doesn't mean you have to do it

and you could always go workout and get big :smug:

[Gridlock]

theres too many factors to be put into to blame for a parent for their kid's usage of drugs/liqour, they may be at partial fault, but its not all theirs

Simple...its 11 o'clock, do you know where your kids are?

I haven't raised a teenager, so maybe I'm out to lunch, but I don't think its too much to know where you are going to be, who you are going to be with and when you are coming home.

So many people want to be friends with their damned kids.

[taylor192]

Really? You are calling me a hypocrite b/c my 13-14 year old brain could not process the ramifications that could have come from binge drinking in my friends basement some 15 or so years ago?

In retrospect, this shit we did when we were fucked at 13, I am shocked we made it out okay.

So fine, go ahead and call me a fucking hypocrite from not wanting to supply my 13 year old daughter we bags a weed and cases of beer while I sleep upstairs just because I did it.

There is nothing you have learned in you life that has you wanting better for your kids? Say....maybe being an over-opinionated dick?
Or an uneducated cunt?

Teens are going to do it one way or another (as you know, having admitted to doing exactly that), its better they do it in a loving supervised supportive environment where they can learn about it than risk getting caught in public and dragged home by the police or worse.

It is also better they learn how to handle drugs and alcohol properly. I started drinking at 15yo, so by the time I hit unversity and was living on my own making my own decisions I was equipped with the tools to handle it properly, unlike the sheltered tools that end up wasting their first year of school making up for lost time.

You can try to prevent them from doing it, yet then you're just being a stupid helicopter parent who they will hate and rebel against eventually.

[taylor192]

IMO, if you haven't convinced your children to stay away from drugs, alcohol, w/e you're a bad parent and that's the end of it
You might as well tell them not to have sex while you're at it, let me know how that works out.

Part of growing up is trying things, and its much better if they try it in a supervised supportive environment.

[taylor192]

Simple...its 11 o'clock, do you know where your kids are?
No. Do you know your kids are equipped with the knowledge and tools to handle where they end up at 11 o'clock? I hope yes.

So many people want to be friends with their damned kids.
Fine, yet don't be their enemy. Dinosaur's parents didn't know where she was at 13yo drinking, and for good reason cause I'm guessing they'd be pissed.

Your kids have to know they can call you for help without judgement. That's not to say without punishment, that comes later. If they need help, they have to be able to get it without being yelled at, otherwise they'll never ask again - and I don't want that.

My parents handled it awesomely. They never criticized me crawling home hammered as a teenager, yet the next day my dad would put us to work, HARD work. It was awful when hung over. I remember digging fence post holes for a day, puking into the hole then filling it back in slightly to cover up the evidence... looking back I dunno why, dad obviously knew I was hung over... and we never built a fence :(

[dinosaur]

Or an uneducated cunt?


I may be a cunt...but I am educated.

[Excelsis]

You might as well tell them not to have sex while you're at it, let me know how that works out.

Part of growing up is trying things, and its much better if they try it in a supervised supportive environment.

:suspicious:..... ?

A person who doesn't get caught up in drugs and whatnot make better decisions, so they'd know it's not about trying to get rid of your virginity or fuck all the girls you can

[taylor192]

I may be a cunt...but I am educated.
:):thumbsup:

[taylor192]

:suspicious:..... ?

A person who doesn't get caught up in drugs and whatnot make better decisions, so they'd know it's not about trying to get rid of your virginity or fuck all the girls you can
Yes a person that doesn't become a drug addict makes better decisions - duh - yet someone who tries it while hiding it from others is likely to make poor decisions.

At that age it is about trying to fuck all the girls you can - and hopefully they are educated enough to use proper protection and not slut shame the girls.

[dlo]

:suspicious:..... ?

A person who doesn't get caught up in drugs and whatnot make better decisions, so they'd know it's not about trying to get rid of your virginity or fuck all the girls you can

thats stupid logic lol, everyone is unique, one needs drugs to operate, fuck even me, i love my weed, i smoke weed to relax, do i make bad decisions? sure, but other people would probably make the same decisions whether or not they are influenced by drugs..

[Excelsis]

that's what separates me from you, 5 years from now where are you going to be?

[Great68]

For my parents, it was more about teaching me responsibility and common sense instead of the "DRUGS AND ALCOHOL ARE BAD AND WILL TURN YOU INTO A DECREPIT BUM" scare tactic rhetoric.

[dyan]

that's what separates me from you, 5 years from now where are you going to be?

This is how you see it. Drugs are bad. There are 2 sides of every story. I know some heroin addicts that are very successful in life. Are you going to judge? Not all drinking/ drugs is bad. If you must use such things, why not make sure its in a safe environment. I don't necessarily support the parents who supply them with such, however that's none of my business.

[Manic!]

Or an uneducated cunt?

Teens are going to do it one way or another (as you know, having admitted to doing exactly that), its better they do it in a loving supervised supportive environment where they can learn about it than risk getting caught in public and dragged home by the police or worse.

It is also better they learn how to handle drugs and alcohol properly. I started drinking at 15yo, so by the time I hit unversity and was living on my own making my own decisions I was equipped with the tools to handle it properly, unlike the sheltered tools that end up wasting their first year of school making up for lost time.

You can try to prevent them from doing it, yet then you're just being a stupid helicopter parent who they will hate and rebel against eventually.


Why do you assume that all kids will be doing drugs. I drank in HS but I have never done any drugs. A parents job is to try to keep there kids from breaking law not helping them break laws.

Another thing where do parents draw the line? What if they want to do some coke, or other harder drugs. If a parent says no your back to square one.

[geeknerd]

Or an uneducated cunt?

Teens are going to do it one way or another (as you know, having admitted to doing exactly that), its better they do it in a loving supervised supportive environment where they can learn about it than risk getting caught in public and dragged home by the police or worse.

It is also better they learn how to handle drugs and alcohol properly. I started drinking at 15yo, so by the time I hit unversity and was living on my own making my own decisions I was equipped with the tools to handle it properly, unlike the sheltered tools that end up wasting their first year of school making up for lost time.

You can try to prevent them from doing it, yet then you're just being a stupid helicopter parent who they will hate and rebel against eventually.

Teens are going to do it one way or another? WTF are u shitting me. Its parents like you and children like yours that create that chance(and when you have such a 'authority approved' chance as a kid, its hard not to resist as a teen) for other kids try drugs and alcohol.

So, EVERYONE you know has tried drugs and alcohol???? and if they didnt, they grew up to hate their parents?

If your kid and friends decide to have a party because you let them, do you plan to call every single parent letting them know that your allowing alcohol and drugs in a safe supervised manner? No 'normal' parent is gonna expect their kids to be drinking/drugging when they say they are going for a sleepover.
Not to mention that the act itself is harmful for their young bodies.

Parents providing drugs and booze are not a "part of growing up." Part of growing up is to be a rebel through puberty and drink outside and go to parties and such.(if they choose to do so, its not a "required part" of growing up)

Isnt it actually "sheltering" if you are saying, "drink at home under my supervision"
Or did you mean, you want to teach 'responsible drinking at home first to 14yo' so they can behave later outside as well? Once you teach them at home, they will NEVER EVER fuck up when they drink outside right? because drinking is so controllable during teens lol.

[taylor192]

Why do you assume that all kids will be doing drugs. I drank in HS but I have never done any drugs. A parents job is to try to keep there kids from breaking law not helping them break laws.
You do realize underage drinking is illegal, right?

Another thing where do parents draw the line? What if they want to do some coke, or other harder drugs. If a parent says no your back to square one.
Draw the line at common sense. Hard drugs are terrible for your body and addicting as fuck. Pot is legal in many places in the world (and soon to be here hopefully) cause its about as harmful as drinking.

[taylor192]

Parents providing drugs and booze are not a "part of growing up." Part of growing up is to be a rebel through puberty and drink outside and go to parties and such.(if they choose to do so, its not a "required part" of growing up)
Confirmed, you're a fucking idiot and didn't understand a word I said.

Teens are going to do it one way or another? WTF are u shitting me.

So, EVERYONE you know has tried drugs and alcohol???? and if they didnt, they grew up to hate their parents?
Put up a poll on this site, I'm willing to bet 90%+ drink and 30%+ have done drugs at some point.

Open your eyes, tard.

Its parents like you and children like yours that create that chance(and when you have such a 'authority approved' chance as a kid, its hard not to resist as a teen) for other kids try drugs and alcohol.
You're acting like "those" parents are forcing their kids to drink and do drugs. If they don't want to try it, then they don't have to.

Isnt it actually "sheltering" if you are saying, "drink at home under my supervision"
Or did you mean, you want to teach 'responsible drinking at home first to 14yo' so they can behave later outside as well? Once you teach them at home, they will NEVER EVER fuck up when they drink outside right? because drinking is so controllable during teens lol.
You don't throw someone behind the wheel of a car and expect them to know how to drive right away. They are supervising until they demonstrate they can handle it.

If this is your attitude, you need to grow up.

[Excelsis]

you know taylor you seem to rebel in almost every thread and i never had problem with that, but i have to strongly disagree with you here...

Fact is drugs and alcohol do make your life worse, and if parents are allowing that they're just that stupid

It's harder for you to get your head around that since you were raised that way but try to look at it from my perspective..

[iEatClams]

Both my parents have always been very open to me with everything. My dad said if I wanted to go out to drink when I was under age I could call him anytime if I needed a ride home. That being said they never gave me booze or weed but I could drink at my place if need be.

Kid's are going to go out and do these things no matter what because that's part of growing up and you honestly need the experience in ways to learn more about your self and the coming of age and my parents new that and mainly wanted to teach me the responsibility of my actions while going out and "having fun" which I feel is the most important overall lesson.



I grew up in a highschool where most of kids (80%+ of my classmates, unless they are the really really geeky academic types) have drank before they reached grade 11.

If I didn't drink a John place, Bobs, etc would be available. Every other weekend or so often there would always be a place to party/drink.

What I do notice is that the times where my friend's parents approved of the partying with alcohol, we were not as crazy and more "responsible", for lack of a better term, knowing that the parents are upstairs and the party was in the basement of the house than when it was an empty house without parents, where we would be more drunk (knowing that no one is home).

so most kids these days, you cant stop them from drinking. They WILL find a way.

You can ensure they it's relatively in a more controlled environment by hosting it or they can be drinking at someone elses place with no supervision. In the summer, it would be at the school, beach or park with maybe some sort of bonfire if they had no place.

It's just me, but I do find that my friends who parents let them drink at their place and better relationships with their folks then the ones that are more strict and such.

[iEatClams]

Another factor that comes into play here is race/stereotypes.

I'm asian, and my parents would never tolerate this type of supervised drinking.

RS is heavily asian populated ( and maybe more conservative??) and maybe some of their parents methods are going to influence some posters.

I was raised with strict parents, but I still managed to do a lot of partying and such in highschool, however, I can see Taylor's arguments. Some of my friends had those type of parents that had "supervised" drinking and they still turned out well.

[iEatClams]

Put up a poll on this site, I'm willing to bet 90%+ drink and 30%+ have done drugs at some point.






.

True statement. Everyone I know in highschool, not just my friends, but even other classmates that I never talk to, I have seen drink in highschool. I can't even think of someone from my graduating class that hasnt had a drink by the time they graduated.

Havnt said that I didnt go to highschool in Vancouver. But I did realize that a lot of the Richmond kids I met when I went to UBC didnt have similar party experiences and do not drink much in highschool/university.

Maybe it's a culture thing who knows??

[taylor192]

you know taylor you seem to rebel in almost every thread and i never had problem with that, but i have to strongly disagree with you here...
You're welcome to disagree...

Fact is drugs and alcohol do make your life worse, and if parents are allowing that they're just that stupid
yet you're not welcome to make up "facts".

That's not a fact, that's just stupid. Some of the most successful people in the world have cellars of fantastic wines, and go on trips just to try more.

Drinking is legal here, cause in moderation its absolutely fine. Likewise pot is legal in many places in the world cause the same applies. Guess what, moderation is best learned in a safe, supportive environment.

It's harder for you to get your head around that since you were raised that way but try to look at it from my perspective..
No, its hard for you to get your head out your ass (not an insult, just a saying) and realize most people drink, and a large minority smoke pot, especially on the west coast.

How were you raised? I'm going to stereotype and say you were raised in a typical strict Asian environment and was told all these things would get in the way of your success.

[dlo]

that's what separates me from you, 5 years from now where are you going to be?

go ahead and say w.e u want, i know for a fact i wont be living in the streets because i decided to smoke a joint every other day, lol take ur anti drug bullshit and get out,

[Manic!]

You do realize underage drinking is illegal, right?


Yes I broke the law, but did my parents help me? no. Parents should not be helping there kids break the law.

[taylor192]

Havnt said that I didnt go to highschool in Vancouver. But I did realize that a lot of the Richmond kids I met when I went to UBC didnt have similar party experiences and do not drink much in highschool/university.

Maybe it's a culture thing who knows??
That's what I'm figuring too, that's why I asked above.

I went to university at Carleton which had larger minority of Indians than Asians, yet I noticed the same. They focused on class and I never saw them partying or drinking.

I recently learned a lot more about the Indian culture from my Indian coworkers who have visited our office. There's entire provinces in Indian that are dry, no alcohol or drugs, so now I understand more of what I saw at Carleton.

Still seems weird as we live in a country that celebrates how good "Canadian" beer is. :)

[dbaz]

that's what separates me from you, 5 years from now where are you going to be?

rather be a stoner than an asshole with no friends. but i guess you prefer being the idiotic asshole

[Excelsis]

I'd rather pursue my dreams, fuck off

[Jer3]

Fact is drugs and alcohol do make your life worse, and if parents are allowing that they're just that stupid

drugs and alcohol only make ur life worse if u can't keep them in check.

[dlo]

and what makes you think i wont pursue my dreams? just because i love me some weed? wtf lol ur arguement is flawed, u suck at this

[Excelsis]

lol i'm not going to bother to explain, if you don't know what i'm talking about then you have a long way ahead of yourself

good luck stoner

[BaoTurbo]

Drugs are bad. Drinking underage is bad. Most of us have done both or the other either our parents like it or not, support it or not. Your parents are supposed to protect you from harm, yet they also sometimes know you will do it one way or another, or they will have to go to extremes to keep you safe. Some parents know what it's like to party or have a little fun at a young age so why not let their own kids have the fun they had..?

Ultimately, it depends on yourself in the end if you think its right to do all these things if your parents let you do it or not. There is no right or wrong, you decided whats right for you or wrong to do.

[dlo]

yeah weed is seriously gonna destory your dreams of being a olympian.... look at fucking mike phelps :fuckthatshit:

[dbaz]

literally all the olympic athletes do after their events are done is drink, use drugs and fuck. no joke. i guess alpha has a lot to learn about his dream society

[Excelsis]

It's something more than that

If you never pushed yourself in the gym or any other sport then you're not even close to understanding, it's one of those intangible things that you have to do in order to really comprehend and grasp

and maybe i'd try out for swimming and beat michael phelps one day :fuckthatshit:

edit- oh no, i've harassed the stoners, come at me :troll:

[dbaz]

Not a stoner sorry bro. Just not thick skulled.
Yup never pushed myself in a sport. Guess I bought all those sports trophies I have sitting in a box somewhere.
What about your buddies that push themselves at the gym and take steroids. Its a drug. But do you overlook them because they push themselves in the gym?

[Hondaracer]

honestly the people who are some of the worst off now that i know, are the ones that never drank, tried things etc. in highschool, then they met a group of friends in university etc. that were still their "nerdy" type etc. but drank, dabbled in drugs in their own groups

these people were never exposed to anything much like Taylor was talking about on the previous page, then they get into post-secondary where shit actually MEANS somthing, they start drinking/drugs and the next thing you know they think coke is the best thing ever and shit gets out of hand quick because they find out they like partying ALOT, this goes for all races, there are a bunch of "nerds" from HS who all got in over their heads in university due to no experiance, if you ever smoked weed, honestly the best time to try it is highschool when shit doesnt mean anything, starting to try weed and other drugs in university is the worst time to experiment in things

where as a bunch of my buddies who were all naturally smart or had the will enough to study/try hard but throughout highschool were partying every weekend during HS, when it came to university they knew where to draw the line and all hammered out very respectable degrees with little to no problems with drinking/drugs because they werent automatically surrounded with things they had never experianced before

not like nerds with absolutely zero social skills/language barrier will ever put their degree's to good use anyways.

[dlo]

ever pushed myself in the gym? i pushed myself hard enough even when im high...
i used to smoke weed to get good concentration at the gym, but estrogen levels increased :fuckthatshit: buddy, ur fucking retarded lol i have participated in many sports, i took martial arts, i played soccer, basketball etc..

[dinosaur]

can't we all just bro-hug this out?

[dlo]

dw dino, we aint angry lol, this is an debate where people try to argue out their opinion.. alpha just does it in the most retarded way ever..
taylor bring in good points, you brought in good points, but i just wanted to call out alpha for this stupidity.. holy fuck

[Excelsis]

no

inb4 fight club :fuckthatshit:

[dinosaur]

Oh, and don't forget....I was called an "uneducated cunt".

all-in-all...a pretty good thread I started :D

[dlo]

an interesting one that brings out everyone's opinion :hotbaby:

[geeknerd]

Ok since you like picking lines, here we go:

Confirmed, you're a fucking idiot and didn't understand a word I said.

Put up a poll on this site, I'm willing to bet 90%+ drink and 30%+ have done drugs at some point.
Open your eyes, tard.
Teens are going to do it one way or another (as you know, having admitted to doing exactly that),

90% =/= 100%, 30%=/=100%, but you sure are helping it become 100%. I know you're not forcing it but when you PROVIDE A
loving supervised supportive environment where they can learn about it than risk getting caught in public and dragged home by the police or worse.
its that much easier and earlier for them to try it out for the first time. The fact that you provide such a place is like encouraging them. You're providing a drinking opportunity earlier than they would've encountered in the future and your reasoning behind that is because you can "teach" them "proper handling?" seriously... drinking and drugs + controlling? even adults suck at it.

And even if its not their first time,
Do you really truly believe that because you taught them the 'proper' way to drink and drug, that when they do go out and drink, they will be a more mature 14yo drinker? Or do you believe that, because you provide a place for when they want to drink, they will ONLY use your place so it can be safe and supervised. Teens just love doing things under supervision of an adult right?



It is also better they learn how to handle drugs and alcohol properly. I started drinking at 15yo, so by the time I hit unversity and was living on my own making my own decisions
:seriously: at the first sentence. Didn't know there was a proper way to do things that are illegal.


I was equipped with the tools to handle it properly, unlike the sheltered tools that end up wasting their first year of school making up for lost time.
You can try to prevent them from doing it, yet then you're just being a stupid helicopter parent who they will hate and rebel against eventually.

As much as there are those first year fuckups, there are just as many sheltered kids who dont fuck up and continue on great achievements without or with trying alcohol or drugs.

Trying stuff at 15 vs 19 is very different.

As i said before, when you provide a place like that, it encourages them. You are basically saying, "its ok to break the law if you know how". At least with sheltering, even if they do it, they will have that sense of guilt in breaking the law.


You're acting like "those" parents are forcing their kids to drink and do drugs. If they don't want to try it, then they don't have to.

You don't throw someone behind the wheel of a car and expect them to know how to drive right away. They are supervising until they demonstrate they can handle it.

If this is your attitude, you need to grow up.
How do you know when they want to try it and when they do, how do the kids know that you are okay with it? At some point you are going to have to say, "hey if you ever want to try drinking or drugs, come to me and ill let you?"

today you can take 1 shot. tomorrow 2 shots. is that how you teach them?
okay, you kids are drunk. the proper way to handle this now is to go to sleep now....?
or is it
"hey lets try drinking outside without your parents taylor192 watching us, then we can probably have more fun"

What im also trying to say is, its not the matter of want or not, you are providing a CAN and CANT.
Sometimes, they simply CANT acquire drugs and more so booze (its fucked up drugs are easier to get than alcohol) but you are providing the CAN. so when they want, they can. And this is why i say you are almost encouraging them.

You metioned, 'drawing the line,' drinking and drugging harms kids bodies, why isnt the line drawn there?

Another case, are you going to watch them the whole time they are at your house? What if your kids druggie friend comes over with the next level like E. will you know?

So after you became a university student, you never once 'fucked up' as a result of drinking because you started early at the age of 15?

Not to mention that OP experienced the situation firsthand and while at the time she felt nothing wrong, looking back as a matured adult she believes it was wrong.

The most annoying thing is, and i asked earlier but you ignored it completely:
If your kid and friends decide to have a party because you let them(not forcing but providing a place, and the means to buy booze and drugs), do you plan to call every single parent letting them know that your allowing alcohol and drugs in a safe supervised manner? No 'normal' parent is gonna expect their kids to be drinking/drugging when they say they are going for a sleepover.

Do you not see how that can change the way one of your kid's friend thinks? Who are you to allow such a thing to other people's children.
As a parent, you'd probably want to teach them responsible behavior, not about , its ok to do it here and not there. Sure you might do this to encourage open relationship with your child but there are other ways such as learning about your child. They are kids. just because you believe you can teach them to be responsible doesnt mean they can be.

I believe that some kids need a parent that says NO.

[Santofu]

I have a friend who has his parents approve everything he do, drinking, blazing, etc and he turns out just fine...
Although all the stuff he do must be supervised by his parents at his house or trusted friends'...
One tiny thing isn't gonna kill you but it may change your life... It's part of your life growing up MAKING YOUR OWN DECISIONS whenever you want to take it or not, nobody ain't making you do it... If you can't stop it, then gg :fuckthatshit:

[BaoTurbo]

^+1

We all have different opinions: Play the game at your own risk.

[trancehead]

Steve Jobs did LSD. mentions it was one of the three greatest things hes ever done

expand your mind guys, its a beautiful thing

just because the government says its illegal, it does not cast a gloomy shadow over the substance nor its effects. a mix of politics, business, and control are in the mix.

any naysayers here ever speed over the limit? yeah thats right you did

[dyan]

no

inb4 fight club :fuckthatshit:

LOL fight club. It will only get there because you can't seem to broaden your mind that some people live their own lifestyles. Get over it. People can choose to drink/ use drugs. Their choice, their regrets/happiness. If you're so iffy on the law; why do you speed? I can keep going on, but hopefully you get the message. Just stop before you make a bigger fool out of yourself.

[Manic!]

Steve Jobs did LSD. mentions it was one of the three greatest things hes ever done

did

Did he do it when he was 15?

[1exotic]

TL;DR

[StylinRed]

the problem with comparing top athletes, leaders, creators in the world who have used drugs and yourself is that those people are not a 'dime a dozen' they're a rarity
what makes you think you're not going to end up as that guy on hastings & main that you detest so much? because i can guarantee you at once they felt and compared their condition the same way as you did
you should never just look @ the bright side you need to know and understand that there is a dark side

I dont have a problem with people who choose to abuse their bodies, if i did i'd be outside mcdonalds and slapping everyone that came out of there

just don't be so naive as to assume "i got this" but sadly when you're in your teens all you think is "I got this"


So someones parents think they can give my retarded teenager a facility to get high? they better be careful that I never, ever, find out, where the fuck do they get off thinking they can do that?

Well the thing is they're only concerned with condoning /controlling / monitoring their own kid, with drug & alcohol use they're just allowing other kids there so that they can better care for their own kid; they're not gonna give a damn if Your kid starts fucking up or going too far they'll simply say "what a shame" and use it as an example to their own kid "see jimmy/sally you dont want to end up like that"

Ive got no real problem with a parent facilitating their own childs experimentation; i think its fucking stupid and i would gladly call child services on them but i wouldn't intervene beyond that ;)

Had a friend in high school, his dad is a prominent 80's rock band member, and he used to allow his kid to have parties and smoke up and drink and pop e etc at his place it was hilarious to see when you're a teen and a pretty fun place to hang out but again when you're a teen you're retarded and he, btw, didn't end up too good @ all




disclaimer? as some may know i've never done any drugs and never even had a sip of alcohol almost all of my friends did though but i didn't need it to have a good time nor had any desire to try it; out of my friends who used, many of them turned out okay (not great) some of them ended up as Hastings & Main type addicts but have seemingly turned their life around now @30 but they're not completely there in the head anymore

there are 2 extremes, if you fall in the middle? whatever i guess? maybe you could have been more? if you end up on top, congratulations! if you end up in the dump who gives a fuck right? you got this

[taylor192]

It's something more than that

If you never pushed yourself in the gym or any other sport then you're not even close to understanding, it's one of those intangible things that you have to do in order to really comprehend and grasp
I ran a marathon 5 years ago. During training I enjoyed a glass of wine most nights to celebrate how well I had been doing and still got high a few times a month with my friends to play vids and relax on off days. I got my 10K time under 45mins, leaned out (dropped 50 lbs), and was benching 110 lb dumbbells.

So fuck you.

Drinking and smoking can be enjoyed in moderation, even by athletes. Get your head out of your ass.

[taylor192]

what makes you think you're not going to end up as that guy on hastings & main that you detest so much? because i can guarantee you at once they felt and compared their condition the same way as you did
I can guarantee you're wrong.

Most of the people in the DTES have mental health issues that prevent them from being part of society so they have turned to drugs to easy their issues. There's lots of great research on this, you're welcome to read it instead of making up "facts".

The average person is homeless 1 day, cause the average person is not mentally ill and will seek out help after experiencing that 1 bad day. Again, there's lots of great research on this.

I'm willing to bet there's more snowboarders on the hills in Vancouver that smoke than drug addicts in the DTES.

[taylor192]

ever pushed myself in the gym? i pushed myself hard enough even when im high...
i used to smoke weed to get good concentration at the gym, but estrogen levels increased :fuckthatshit: buddy, ur fucking retarded lol i have participated in many sports, i took martial arts, i played soccer, basketball etc..

I tried working out while high once, laziest workout ever, not even worth going. Worked out while drunk once, never again. Thought I was superman and could've hurt myself lifting way too much. :D

[StylinRed]

I can guarantee you're wrong.

Most of the people in the DTES have mental health issues that prevent them from being part of society so they have turned to drugs to easy their issues. There's lots of great research on this, you're welcome to read it instead of making up "facts".



I can guarantee you you're wrong because i've worked and continue to work with the homeless down there and have had people ive grown up with end up down there; you don't need to tell me about the research surrounding the dtes believe me lol, if only.

you're trying to dismiss them all as mental patients, which there are a great amount there is no denying that, but some of those with mental issues are mental due to the drug that they're addicted to

you're also refusing to believe that there are 2 extremes and a norm for drug&alcohol users which shows your stupidity


it almost sounds like you're saying every drug user is in prime shape and mental health and the only ones who end up having issues are because of other issues outside of their addiction.... lol if that's the case just stfu please and if you wont i'll just do myself a favour and ignore you

[taylor192]

i'll just do myself a favour and ignore you
Please do, your replies are not factual and waste everyone's time.

it almost sounds like your saying every drug user is in prime shape and mental health and the only ones who end up having issues are because of other issues outside of their addiction....
That's not "almost" what I'm saying, that is exactly what I am saying - cause its true. Again, you're welcome to read up on the subject.

I can guarantee you you're wrong because i've worked and continue to work with the homeless down there and have had people ive grown up with end up down there.
Yet you've never read the studies and are just talking off the cuff.

I won't bother asking what you do down there cause I hope you stop replying.

you're trying to dismiss them all as mental patients, which there are a great amount there is no denying that, but some of those with mental issues are mental due to the drug that they're addicted to
So you agree, why are you arguing again?

you're also refusing to believe that there are 2 extremes and a norm which shows your stupidity
You're stupid if you didn't get my sarcastic remark about there being more pot smoking snowboarders than people that live in the DTES. The 10K people that live in the DTES are the extreme, and represent < 1/2% of the GVA population. Saying we'll end up there like Alpha_V2 has been saying is just dumb.

FFS why do I have to correct your arguments?

[Glove]

When I was a kid, my parents used to always scare the shit out of me when it came to alchohol and drugs ect...

I have 2 older sisters, one was a complete drunk and came home pregnant, the other one was a complete druggy and fried her brain.

Watching all this happen while I was a kid made me never touch drugs or alchohol my entire life.

My drug sister is now couch surfing from place to place, has no job, no life, no assets. Although she is cleaned up, she is 30 years old and now doesnt know what to do with her life, and her own family doesnt even want her around, because she destroys everything she touches.

My pregnant sister, although doing better. Is now a single mom, taking care of my niece, for last 10 years barely making her bills, trying to feed herself and her kid, getting all the help and support she can from mom and dad. Her life is also pretty much ruined, although still in better shape than drug sister.

Me?

own a house, 2 cars, drag race at mission on fridays, have a great GF for 6 years, who also has never touched drugs (she does like drinking wine and bellini's at dinner). Im 25 years old and make 60k a year with 4 weeks vacation, and only place to go is UP.

so for me I learned through my sisters mistakes,

All my friends that I have smoke week and drink all the time, and im right with them hanging out, but I never touch any of it, and let me tell you, not one of them is doing better than I am.

When I raise my kids, I wont be using the scare tactic my parents used, because it obviously didnt work on my sisters, for me I used their experience.

I will try to show my kids through example and my experience,

I will show them how their aunts lives are fucked up due to substance abuse, and how they now have a roof over their heads because I never did any of that shit.

People may say im wrong, and that may be so. But I am just sharing from personal experience, of what early age substance use can really do to a person.

[StylinRed]

Please do, your replies are not factual and waste everyone's time.


That's not "almost" what I'm saying, that is exactly what I am saying - cause its true. Again, you're welcome to read up on the subject.


Yet you've never read the studies and are just talking off the cuff.

I won't bother asking what you do down there cause I hope you stop replying.


So you agree, why are you arguing again?


You're stupid if you didn't get my sarcastic remark about there being more pot smoking snowboarders than people that live in the DTES. The 10K people that live in the DTES are the extreme, and represent < 1/2% of the GVA population. Saying we'll end up there like Alpha_V2 has been saying is just dumb.

FFS why do I have to correct your arguments?



its not my fault or anyones fault if they dont understand wtf you're saying its you're own fault

you're also making too many assumptions about me, you are exactly like Hyde in attitude except you're not talking about buying luxury yachts to use as a garage for your car collection, lol oh shit...

i've never read any of the research huh? and "talk off the cuff" i guess real world experience gets trumped by some guy with 0 experience who also misinterprets what he's reading :lol

it also doesn't sound like you understood what i was saying as i mostly agree that ppl can do whatever they wish and most of them wont have a problem but there will be that group that does

the only issue we seem to have is you think people end up on the streets only due to other issues outside of their addiction edit i suggest you look @ switzerland

it also sounds like you're misunderstanding what the research is saying and taking it out of context to support your inane beliefs and you think that ultimately makes you correct lol

im done with you sorry i dont have the interest or time edit ive ignored you btw in my settings so i dont think i'll be seeing any of your follow up posts, hopefully

[taylor192]

im done with you sorry i dont have the interest or time
I wish you were, yet you'll be back without putting any time into learning.

its not my fault or anyones fault if they dont understand wtf you're saying its you're own fault
There's many people in this thread that have gotten my point. I cannot control your stupidity.

you're also making too many assumptions about me
The only assumption I've made is that you haven't read anything on the subject, which I assumed correctly.

i've never read any of the research huh? and "talk off the cuff" i guess real world experience gets trumped by some guy with 0 experience who also misinterprets what he's reading :lol
Real world experience counts. I have friends that work at Insite and YouthCo via my GF's work with Options BC.

Your mistake is thinking I don't know what I'm talking about. Meanwhile you haven't even touched the stuff yet lecture us on its evils.

it also doesn't sound like you understood what i was saying as i mostly agree that ppl can do whatever they wish and most of them wont have a problem but there will be that group that does
You can barely put together a proper sentence, and you make up "facts". I have little interested in "understanding" what you're saying and more interest in correctly stating the facts for others.

the only issue we seem to have is you think people end up on the streets only due to other issues outside of their addiction
Replace "only" with "mostly". Exceptions are not the rule.

it also sounds like you're misunderstanding what the research is saying
You haven't even read it, so don't lecture me until you do. Now go, read something and don't reply till then.

[taylor192]

StylinRed, do you work/volunteer at Covenant House?

[Gridlock]

A typical thread. Some people make a point on one side, and 'somebody' makes a point to the opposite. Then 192 replies later, starts calling everyone out as being completely wrong because they dare disagree with him to begin with.

So, you win! Soon as my kid hits 12, I'm going to start plying them with booze and weed.

Fuck these things get annoying.

[taylor192]

A typical thread. Some people make a point on one side, and 'somebody' makes a point to the opposite. Then 192 replies later, starts calling everyone out as being completely wrong because they dare disagree with him to begin with.
You'll notice there's a lot of "somebodies" that agree with my facts, and "some" people who are being hypocrites while not posting one factual piece of information.

So, you win! Soon as my kid hits 12, I'm going to start plying them with booze and weed.

Fuck these things get annoying.
If that's what you got out of it, no wonder its annoying. You might as well not read if you lack the ability to understand.

[spideyv2]

that's what separates me from you, 5 years from now where are you going to be?

definitely won't still be making annoying contributions to the workout thread and failing funny posts in the NSFW section :whistle:

[geeknerd]

I tried working out while high once, laziest workout ever, not even worth going. Worked out while drunk once, never again. Thought I was superman and could've hurt myself lifting way too much. :D

:seriously:

[Gridlock]

You'll notice there's a lot of "somebodies" that agree with my facts, and "some" people who are being hypocrites while not posting one factual piece of information.


If that's what you got out of it, no wonder its annoying. You might as well not read if you lack the ability to understand.

Shit man, what facts do you want? They don't exist. You can pull out all the "I did when I was young, and I'm fine"'s that you want.

I don't care. I'll pull some "I got started when I was 12, and now I'm in rehab" 's out of my ass and we'll have a go. Wouldn't have ended up in rehab if they weren't sneaking around you'll say? Semantics.

Do what you want with your kids, within societal confines, which disagree with you as pot is illegal, whether you like it or not, and the drinking age is 19, whether you like it or not.

I'm saying its not your option to make that decision on behalf of my children. So if a bunch of you more socially liberal parents want to get together and let your kids drink in the rec room-go nuts! If you think that's best for your kids as they are in a safe environment-great on you. You are operating against the law, and against society's beliefs, so you are taking some real risk upon yourselves.

My kid shows up, and my kid has some parentally approved beer and weed in your rec room, its your head I'm going for, because you have just undermined everything I believe in and everything I have been doing since birth for those kids.

So what's your argument? What facts do you want? I, and people like me are being unreasonable? That's not a fact. I don't understand the issue? That's just fucking offensive. It's that offense that drives these threads to the point of "I, Taylor 001 through 192 is fucking right, and you people are fucking retarded for not agreeing with me" Couldn't get the 193rd on board?

[Hondaracer]

^ If that's how you think the world works then you better lock your kid up in the basement and hold his hand to school everyday until he turns 19..
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[spideyv2]

A lot of posts in here are being blown out of proportion. Both sides bring up valid points.

[gars]

Being a child - a kid won't understand the concept of consequences. If you allow them to do drugs at home, why shouldn't they do drugs at school? I know tons of kids who were kicked out of my high school for smoking pot - as well as kids who were kicked off of school sports teams, and youth organizations such as Cadets.

It's different when you're an adult and making decisions for yourself - but when a parent downplay drugs and alcohol to kids - especially when they're at that stage of their life where there can be big repercussions, I think they aren't doing their job properly.

[dinosaur]

^well said!

[taylor192]

Being a child - a kid won't understand the concept of consequences. If you allow them to do drugs at home, why shouldn't they do drugs at school?
Children don't understand consequences, teenagers do if you teach them. You'd know this if you were a teach or knew a teacher.

Now you've already tried to cut me off by saying:
I know tons of kids who were kicked out of my high school for smoking pot
Define "tons". I bet its more like a "few" which is the exception cause there's always going to be idiots that never learn - for example there's lots in this thread.

It's different when you're an adult and making decisions for yourself - but when a parent downplay drugs and alcohol to kids - especially when they're at that stage of their life where there can be big repercussions, I think they aren't doing their job properly.
You're making a big assisine assumption - that by supervising these activities they are promoting them. It is the exact opposite, they should be taught when and where it is appropriate, not just given free reign to get drunk in the basement and not learn shit.

[taylor192]

Shit man, what facts do you want? They don't exist.
Of course they do, not my fault you're not intelligent enough to find them.

My GF teaches sex ed, she has tons of research material on teaching kids about safe sex vs the typical abstinence crap taught in American schools. Guess what? it works as countries that teach safe sex have lower teenager pregnancy and STI rates vs those that teach abstinence or nothing at all.

The exact same applies to alcohol and drugs. You can teach them safety, or you can pull the wool over your eyes and think they won't do anything wrong.

Do what you want with your kids, within societal confines, which disagree with you as pot is illegal, whether you like it or not, and the drinking age is 19, whether you like it or not.
Drinking age on private property is not enforced, yet you'd know this since you're quoting the "law".

I'm saying its not your option to make that decision on behalf of my children.
For drugs and alcohol, you are correct, make your own foolish decisions.

For sex, you'll be surprised. That decision was made by people smarter than you, sex education is part of the BC curriculum starting in elementary school despite the protests of idiot parents that don't want it taught at all. Unfortunately, idiot parents can ask their kids be pulled from these classes cause they'd rather teach abstinence or any other stupidity which does not work.

So if a bunch of you more socially liberal parents want to get together and let your kids drink in the rec room-go nuts! If you think that's best for your kids as they are in a safe environment-great on you. You are operating against the law, and against society's beliefs, so you are taking some real risk upon yourselves.
As I pointed out, the drinking age argument doesn't apply on private property. Nice rant, pointless though.

My kid shows up, and my kid has some parentally approved beer and weed in your rec room, its your head I'm going for, because you have just undermined everything I believe in and everything I have been doing since birth for those kids.
A responsible parent will ensure the other parents know.

Aside from that, you don't even have kids and are acting like a crazed whacko who "owns" their children. God help your kids, and I don't believe in god, so they're fucked.

So what's your argument? What facts do you want? I, and people like me are being unreasonable? That's not a fact. I don't understand the issue? That's just fucking offensive. It's that offense that drives these threads to the point of "I, Taylor 001 through 192 is fucking right, and you people are fucking retarded for not agreeing with me" Couldn't get the 193rd on board?
You are responsible for your own actions. If you are offended by my words, go take a chill pill and come back.

Then again, you're probably the type to teach that you're not responsible for your own actions, that someone else is always to blame for when you go off the handle. Sad, I feel sorry for you.

I've pointed you to where the facts are, now go off and do some research, you'll be better off for it, and your eventual kids will thank me.

[Excelsis]

:Popcorn

[dinosaur]

9722

You must win a lot of arguments with your sex teaching gf just by the sheer fact that she doesn't want to hear your voice anymore.

I thought that was just a chick thing...

[TOS'd]

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[Gridlock]

I love coming into threads where anyone that dares disagree with Taylor gets berated and bullied until everyone gets sick of it and the thread dies. Not just talking about this, but all of them.

So far in this thread, I've been referred to as not being intelligent. Nice. poor Dinosaur an "uneducated cunt" , which has the added bonus of being just a wee sexist. Nice x 2 and countless others have been referred to being on a level subpar to Taylor's.

You know how on every street, there is that one kid that when he comes out to play, everyone else just tends to go home? That kid is Taylor, and its Revscene Street every day after school.

[Excelsis]

LOL :rofl:

nah maybe he just likes being the rebel with his own opinion..

[Hondaracer]

Gridlock, all you do is write out a a few sentences and then when Taylor breaks down each of your points you have no response.. you just focus on the points that do not involve the topic at hand..

honestly alot of people in this thread have their head in the clouds and dont seem to have a grasp on how the real world works

also in terms of strict "asian parents" thing, i'm asuming this is a chinese thing because the viet people i grew up with/was good friends with all had horrible parents who couldnt care less about what they did as long as the cops didnt show up.

[dinosaur]

dude, why is this an "Asian" thing?!

[Fafine]

A lot of posts in here are being blown out of proportion. Both sides bring up valid points.

the peace maker

[Manic!]

Of course they do, not my fault you're not intelligent enough to find them.

My GF teaches sex ed, she has tons of research material on teaching kids about safe sex vs the typical abstinence crap taught in American schools. Guess what? it works as countries that teach safe sex have lower teenager pregnancy and STI rates vs those that teach abstinence or nothing at all.

The exact same applies to alcohol and drugs. You can teach them safety, or you can pull the wool over your eyes and think they won't do anything wrong.


Drinking age on private property is not enforced, yet you'd know this since you're quoting the "law".


For drugs and alcohol, you are correct, make your own foolish decisions.

For sex, you'll be surprised. That decision was made by people smarter than you, sex education is part of the BC curriculum starting in elementary school despite the protests of idiot parents that don't want it taught at all. Unfortunately, idiot parents can ask their kids be pulled from these classes cause they'd rather teach abstinence or any other stupidity which does not work.


As I pointed out, the drinking age argument doesn't apply on private property. Nice rant, pointless though.


A responsible parent will ensure the other parents know.

Aside from that, you don't even have kids and are acting like a crazed whacko who "owns" their children. God help your kids, and I don't believe in god, so they're fucked.


You are responsible for your own actions. If you are offended by my words, go take a chill pill and come back.

Then again, you're probably the type to teach that you're not responsible for your own actions, that someone else is always to blame for when you go off the handle. Sad, I feel sorry for you.

I've pointed you to where the facts are, now go off and do some research, you'll be better off for it, and your eventual kids will thank me.


Your girlfriend teaches sex ed but does she allow them to have sex in class or get them a hotel room since they can't get one themselves. Parents should talk to there kids about drugs and alcohol but should not provide them with it.

And underage drinking on private property is still illegal.

[Gridlock]

Gridlock, all you do is write out a a few sentences and then when Taylor breaks down each of your points you have no response.. you just focus on the points that do not involve the topic at hand..

honestly alot of people in this thread have their head in the clouds and dont seem to have a grasp on how the real world works

also in terms of strict "asian parents" thing, i'm asuming this is a chinese thing because the viet people i grew up with/was good friends with all had horrible parents who couldnt care less about what they did as long as the cops didnt show up.

Hey, I dig that, and I'm trying really hard to not come across as "sour grapes". Taylor, and anyone else for that matter, can disagree with me all you want. My only issue, is its really frustrating to have to wade through insults to do so. Yeah, I know, its the internet-kids can type whatever they want with their keyboards, but it pisses me off.

I also don't think I'm alone in this.

[Noir]

What about porn? Kids are just going to find a way to watch them. As a parent, might as well no?

Think of all the cool points you'll get from your child as a parent. Kids in your entire block will think you're the coolest "mom/dad" in the neighborhood. What's not to like.

[GabAlmighty]

For drugs and alcohol, you are correct, make your own foolish decisions.

For sex, you'll be surprised. That decision was made by people smarter than you, sex education is part of the BC curriculum starting in elementary school despite the protests of idiot parents that don't want it taught at all. Unfortunately, idiot parents can ask their kids be pulled from these classes cause they'd rather teach abstinence or any other stupidity which does not work.

I must be a fool then. And I think I had one poor/pathetic 45 minute class on sex ed while at school.

[dinosaur]

In regards to legislation in BC and the claim that underage drinking is permitted on private property:

FACT (since I know you like them so much Taylor192)

" In B.C. the section reads as follows:
33 (1) A person must not

(a) sell, give or otherwise supply liquor to a minor,

(b) have liquor in his or her possession for the purpose of selling, giving
or otherwise supplying it to a minor, or

(c) in or at a place under his or her control, permit a minor to consume
liquor."

[Noir]

Children don't understand consequences, teenagers do if you teach them. You'd know this if you were a teach or knew a teacher.


That's funny.

I've been a teacher, and I fucking hated kids whose parents let them do anything they want. More often than not, they're problem kids at school. Good luck trying to handle them as a student when not even their parents can/or don't reign them in themselves.

[gars]

Children don't understand consequences, teenagers do if you teach them. You'd know this if you were a teach or knew a teacher.

You're telling me a 13 year old understands consequences? Hell, even I know 16 and 17 year olds that don't understand consequences. They don't know what it's like to have to move out of the school they've been going to for the last 4 years. They don't know what it's like to have to leave their friends of 10 years and have to start all over. It's not the end of the world, but I'm betting things like their studies will take a hit - which may affect/delay their entrance into post secondary education.

Define "tons". I bet its more like a "few" which is the exception cause there's always going to be idiots that never learn - for example there's lots in this thread.

Obviously tons is a hyperbole. If I personally knew a few thousand kids who were kicked out of schools/programs - there is a big problem here.

High School was a long time ago for me - but I remember a good 10 kids getting kicked out for drugs and alcohol - either getting high before going to class or during school events. I went through the Army Cadet program - and I had some 5 kids (out of my corps of 30) get kicked out for smoking marijuana.

[Excelsis]

Dlo... why so mad :troll:?

[gars]

Anyway, back on topic here - I personally believe there aren't "facts" you can bring up to contribute to this discussion. This is a debate about parenting styles. Noone is going to find a study to prove that one way is better than the other.

Personally I believe that parents should be open to their kids and teach them about dangers of drinking and doing drugs (even Weed has many short term effects, which include short term memory loss, etc. Long term hasn't been studied hard enough). But to go so far to let them do it at home "supervised"? I wouldn't.

And I definitely wouldn't allow other kids into my home to drink and smoke weed. If I found out another parent was supplying my kid with weed/alcohol, I would go over and kick their ass.

[taylor192]

You must win a lot of arguments with your sex teaching gf just by the sheer fact that she doesn't want to hear your voice anymore.

I thought that was just a chick thing...
Its not about winning or losing, which is why Gridlock has his panties in a bunch. Its about the correct information, and why most dumbass eventually tap out cause they get sick of being corrected.

You'll notice I've referenced my GF for the facts, cause she's smart enough to not only hold a conversation with me, yet she can teach me things. Its too bad most here are dumbasses.

[taylor192]

Noone is going to find a study to prove that one way is better than the other.
If you don't look, of course not. There's lots of great material, you just need to read it.

If I found out another parent was supplying my kid with weed/alcohol, I would go over and kick their ass.
No you would not. Most people talk a good game, yet never back it up.

[GabAlmighty]

I'M NOT A DUMBASS YOU FUCK!!!

[taylor192]

You're telling me a 13 year old understands consequences? Hell, even I know 16 and 17 year olds that don't understand consequences. They don't know what it's like to have to move out of the school they've been going to for the last 4 years. They don't know what it's like to have to leave their friends of 10 years and have to start all over. It's not the end of the world, but I'm betting things like their studies will take a hit - which may affect/delay their entrance into post secondary education.
Yes. It may surprise you cause you're used to using exceptions, yet it is absolutely true.

The teen pregnancy rate is half what it was decades ago. Teenage smoking is at an all time low. Teens are waiting longer to have sex. More teens are choosing to pursue post secondary education.

Just cause you know the tards of life, doesn't mean on average kids are getting better - and guess what, its from better education and more involvement.

Yet feel free to provide more off the cuff examples, cause those are what counts, right?

Obviously tons is a hyperbole. If I personally knew a few thousand kids who were kicked out of schools/programs - there is a big problem here.
No, its being a drama queen. Exceptions are not the rule.

[taylor192]

That's funny.

I've been a teacher, and I fucking hated kids whose parents let them do anything they want. More often than not, they're problem kids at school. Good luck trying to handle them as a student when not even their parents can/or don't reign them in themselves.
What's funny is how you chose to take it out of context.

Its not about letting them do whatever they want, like getting blasted in the basement. Its about letting them try things and learn something from it.

[taylor192]

I'M NOT A DUMBASS YOU FUCK!!!
Have I even responded to a single one of your posts? No. Why do you assume I think you're a dumbass?

I guess the shoe fit.

[taylor192]

In regards to legislation in BC and the claim that underage drinking is permitted on private property:

FACT (since I know you like them so much Taylor192)

" In B.C. the section reads as follows:
33 (1) A person must not

(a) sell, give or otherwise supply liquor to a minor,

(b) have liquor in his or her possession for the purpose of selling, giving
or otherwise supplying it to a minor, or

(c) in or at a place under his or her control, permit a minor to consume
liquor."
Liquor Law Basics - LCLB (http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/lclb/LLinBC/basics.htm)

If you are a parent, guardian, or spouse of a minor you may provide liquor only to your child or minor spouse in the privacy of your home. This exception does not allow you to provide liquor to any other minors who may be in your home.

[taylor192]

I love coming into threads where anyone that dares disagree with Taylor gets berated and bullied until everyone gets sick of it and the thread dies. Not just talking about this, but all of them.
Its funny how those without facts feel "bullied" when really they feel "stupid" cause they have nothing to rebut.

Ironic you ha noting to rebut, right?

There's lots in this thread that agree with my opinion, in fact the helicopter parents are in the minority. Sucks eh?

[GabAlmighty]

Have I even responded to a single one of your posts? No. Why do you assume I think you're a dumbass?

I guess the shoe fit.

Because you said so! And no, the shoe doesn't fit.

[LSF22]

So let me get this straight....

Some of you would let kids do this under your supervision, with the intention of them trying and learning from it... all under moderation of course. So where do you start drawing the line on when it is ok to consume the alcohol or smoke?

Obviously as a parent you have your set of rules your kid would have to adhere to... but when they start asking you if its ok and you deny their request.... who's to say that they wouldn't try to find another way to do it anyways....?

How is that then gonna be any different from the other kids who were never allowed to drink/smoke cuz they didn't have "cool parents"? In the end kids will do whatever it takes to get what they want, and if they want it bad enough, they'll just go down the street or to the park to do it anyways. You allowing them and being the "cool parent" is just a "convenience" to when they can and want to.

"Mom/dad said yes? ok guys come over!

"Mom and dad said no? alright guys, not here today.... lets go hang out and maybe we'll grab a beer and smoke outside tonight instead."

Back to square 1!


I've seen a lot of the bashing in this thread, so I feel I should make it clear to Taylor192 or any other parent who partakes in this method of raising kids... that this is not meant to attack him or anyone who gets offended... I wanna keep things as civilized as possible and it's more of me trying to understand where you guys are coming from.


My own take on it:

Everyone will have their own way to raise their kids, with their own set of rules, some Gridlock's way, and some Taylor's... certain ways may work with some families, others may need stronger or less discipline... but just because the process is different does not make one better than the other. I believe I share the same idea as most who have posted... that talking and having your kid learn about drugs and alcohol is a must, and where I, as a parent will draw the line is not letting and not wanting them to participate just cuz it's under mine or another parent's supervision.

[Excelsis]

dude taylor you really need to get your head out of your ass, take a step back and look at what the fuck you're saying
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[dinosaur]

Liquor Law Basics - LCLB (http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/lclb/LLinBC/basics.htm)

Like I said way back when this was a normal thread conversation, it is one thing to let YOUR OWN kid partake in a little alcohol (wine with dinner, etc.) but this original article is about supplying a place for all your kids' friends to get wasted.

What YOU do with or to YOU OWN kid is YOUR business...but if you are opening the door to MY kid without MY knowledge and letting them drink, thats a different story!

I am pretty sure this is the point some of us are trying to make...am I wrong!?

And as you can read in the link YOU provided...not only is it immoral to allow other kids to drink in your house, it is also ILLEGAL!

[Noir]

Its not about winning or losing, which is why Gridlock has his panties in a bunch. Its about the correct information, and why most dumbass eventually tap out cause they get sick of being corrected.

You'll notice I've referenced my GF for the facts, cause she's smart enough to not only hold a conversation with me, yet she can teach me things. Its too bad most here are dumbasses.

WTF? You site your GF as a source for fact, yet you discredit equal contrasting second hand information as fact? Just because you're not banging anyone in this board doesn't mean that you can't learn from anyone here either. For every example you cite about a person succeeding despite his habitual use of alcohol and drugs at an early age, there's equal (if not more) example of the exact same sources destroying lives at an early state.



What's funny is how you chose to take it out of context.

Its not about letting them do whatever they want, like getting blasted in the basement. Its about letting them try things and learn something from it.

And you think kids can tell the difference? Or maybe with kids it's always just about getting blasted and not so much about learning

and take it out of context how? You're insinuating that "teachers would understand and automatically side with you." I didn't. It's as simple as that and it's shown that loud-arrogance doesn't mean you're infallable to errors.




BTW, would you give your 13 yr old porn? As long as you supervise it? :lol

[Nightwalker]

Studies show that kids with a first drink before 15 are far more likely to abuse alcohol. They're not sure if it's the environment they're in or drinking in formative years alone. Other studies also show a clear decrease in alcohol abuse for kids who drank at home with their parents responsibly (with dinner, special occasions, etc).

There's a lot of grey area, but it's pretty clear that kids will generally follow the footsteps of their parents (to a limit). I've always believed that the bigger the walls, the further the fall. I'll probably raise my kids somewhere in the middle.

Kids with overly strict/repressive parents seem to rebel the hardest, maybe because their parents never taught them how to be responsible for themselves or the emotional (sometimes physical) abuse causes substantial emotional scars.

[gars]

If you don't look, of course not. There's lots of great material, you just need to read it.

There's a study that says you should feed your kids alcohol and weed? I would love to read that.

[Excelsis]

I drank on occasions starting at the age of like what 11? :lol

but it was tiny sips thats all, it's not like parents planned on getting drunk and partying..
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[StylinRed]

taylors source for studies and facts is what his horny gf tells him who works in the dtes and agrees with drug use (hmm crackwhore anyone? i'll assume that)... :seriously:



and he'll constantly alter his argument ever so slightly to make it seem like that's what he's always been saying when he's refuted

+ he'll constantly make assumptions

so i don't know why the rest of you even bother with him... he's shown it time and again through every topic that he's only good at being thick headed and berating and trying to cover his tracks, not to the satisfaction of anyone else, but solely for the satisfaction of his own delusions and when you point that out he'll just say You're too stupid to know what he's talking about :lol

like i said he's like Hyde so do yourselves a favour and just add him to the ignore list (unfortunately it still shows his posts when you guys quote him :P)

[Manic!]

taylors source for studies and facts is what his horny gf tells him who works in the dtes and agrees with drug use (hmm crackwhore anyone? i'll assume that)... :seriously:





No need to call his GF names.

[trancehead]

on lighter news, taylor192 i spotted your car at the oval

[StylinRed]

No need to call his GF names.

i felt that too but since he's going around calling everyone names and making false assumptions i figured why shouldn't he get the same treatment and the only way for him to get it is if its about someone other than himself

but i have to say its likely a more educated assumption than taylors ever made ;)

[Gridlock]

taylors source for studies and facts is what his horny gf tells him who works in the dtes and agrees with drug use (hmm crackwhore anyone? i'll assume that)... :seriously:
:P)

That's not right man. You should really edit that out and apologize. Getting mad at someone and then doing something worse is not a solution.

[melloman]

The teen pregnancy rate is half what it was decades ago.

Statscan has terminated all data for teenage pregnancy between years 1998-2009.. Do you have any viable facts for this? The most recent study was conducted in 1994 & 1997. Thanks.

Teens are waiting longer to have sex.

I'd hate to disagree but if you read the recent news, the province is trying to get knowledge out to kids BEFORE EVEN HIGHSCHOOL. Trying to get sexual education into elementary school because of: The Daily, Tuesday, May 3, 2005. Early sexual intercourse, condom use and sexually transmitted diseases (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/050503/dq050503a-eng.htm)

[melloman]

Liquor Law Basics - LCLB (http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/lclb/LLinBC/basics.htm)

Quote with a quote.

You may not sell or give liquor to a minor, or permit a minor to drink liquor in your home or business. The fine for doing this is a minimum of $500, and you may also be held legally responsible for any damages or injury caused as a result.

Same source. Laws can be taken different ways, just wanted to show the other side for people who didn't click the link.

[melloman]

What's funny is how you chose to take it out of context.

Its not about letting them do whatever they want, like getting blasted in the basement. Its about letting them try things and learn something from it.

The bolded made me have a good laugh in the morning, thanks.

What if your child decides he loves it? Loves to drink and smoke weed.. And once you say: "No, if you start to abuse it, it isn't good for this, and that and etc."

So then, the cycle RESTARTS and your child then goes behind your back because your not the "cool" parent he once thought you were, not letting him drink and smoke when HE wants to.

:suspicious: then what do you do? :fullofwin:

[The_AK]

brb experimenting with aids taylorlogic/10

[Meowjin]

of course.

[StylinRed]

That's not right man. You should really edit that out and apologize. Getting mad at someone and then doing something worse is not a solution.

think the point was kind of lost on us reasonable folk? ;) but hopefully taylor gets it since its his own medicine

[taylor192]

Statscan has terminated all data for teenage pregnancy between years 1998-2009.. Do you have any viable facts for this? The most recent study was conducted in 1994 & 1997. Thanks.

I'd hate to disagree but if you read the recent news, the province is trying to get knowledge out to kids BEFORE EVEN HIGHSCHOOL. Trying to get sexual education into elementary school because of: The Daily, Tuesday, May 3, 2005. Early sexual intercourse, condom use and sexually transmitted diseases (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/050503/dq050503a-eng.htm)
Perhaps you missed me mentioning several times my GF teaches this for a living.

BC already has comprehensive sex ed from K-12.

[taylor192]

on lighter news, taylor192 i spotted your car at the oval
What night? Do you play vball or bball there?

[taylor192]

Like I said way back when this was a normal thread conversation, it is one thing to let YOUR OWN kid partake in a little alcohol (wine with dinner, etc.) but this original article is about supplying a place for all your kids' friends to get wasted.

What YOU do with or to YOU OWN kid is YOUR business...but if you are opening the door to MY kid without MY knowledge and letting them drink, thats a different story!

I am pretty sure this is the point some of us are trying to make...am I wrong!?

And as you can read in the link YOU provided...not only is it immoral to allow other kids to drink in your house, it is also ILLEGAL!
Most BC teens go to university at age 17-18, below the legal drinking age. Do you think the police are busting down dorm rooms where one legal age person has supplied the rest with booze?

Nope. Been there, thrown some epic keg parties and dealt with the police.

It's like drinking or smoking on the beach here. Sure its illegal, yet unless you're being a retard the cops look the other way.

[taylor192]

Because you said so! And no, the shoe doesn't fit.

LOL glad to know I have such an effect on you. :thumbsup:

You'd do well to lighten up, its just sarcasm.

[dinosaur]

GAWD! don't you guys read?! Taylor192 gf is a TEACHER!!!

Thems be all the facts we need, jeeeez!

[taylor192]

WTF? You site your GF as a source for fact, yet you discredit equal contrasting second hand information as fact? Just because you're not banging anyone in this board doesn't mean that you can't learn from anyone here either.
Quote some. Seriously, go back through this thread and find some credible information and quote it.

I've learned a lot from members here, just not in this thread on this issue cause there's been little other than "of the cuff" information posted. You'll see that when you struggle to quote some.

For every example you cite about a person succeeding despite his habitual use of alcohol and drugs at an early age, there's equal (if not more) example of the exact same sources destroying lives at an early state.
I haven't once said anything about succeeding and habitual use. I have repeatedly stated moderation and exceptions are not the rule.

Please at least get my opinion correct, I have been very clear.

And you think kids can tell the difference? Or maybe with kids it's always just about getting blasted and not so much about learning

and take it out of context how? You're insinuating that "teachers would understand and automatically side with you." I didn't. It's as simple as that and it's shown that loud-arrogance doesn't mean you're infallable to errors.

[QUOTE=Noir;7763967]BTW, would you give your 13 yr old porn? As long as you supervise it? :lol
LOL not exactly.

My old manager had a system which I thought was brilliant. Instead of limiting his kids internet usage, he just put on a log on the router. Occasionally he'd browse it to see if his kids were looking at anything inappropriate and speak to them about internet safety. By inappropriate he meant being on inappropriate social sites, or looking at really bad material (like some of the stuff in the NSFW section that shows people being disembodied), porn was fine, its part of growing up.

He'd often comment that his kid finds some really good porn. :fullofwin:

[dinosaur]

Most BC teens go to university at age 17-18, below the legal drinking age. Do you think the police are busting down dorm rooms where one legal age person has supplied the rest with booze?

Nope. Been there, thrown some epic keg parties and dealt with the police.

It's like drinking or smoking on the beach here. Sure its illegal, yet unless you're being a retard the cops look the other way.

Ooooooooh, I get it...the facts I provided about the LAWS are not good enough because MOST people do it anyways.

I dig ya...I see what your doin'.:spin:

[taylor192]

No need to call his GF names.

That's not right man. You should really edit that out and apologize. Getting mad at someone and then doing something worse is not a solution.
Thanks guys.

I did learn this from my GF's teaching material: only you can be offended.

It takes a lot to offend me, cause stupid remarks like this have no truth, so why should they be offensive? Just dismiss them for the stupidity they are.

Likewise I don't understand why words like "stupid" cause people to get so mad. Its just a stupid word, its comical that it hurts that much to lash out like he did. :D

[taylor192]

Ooooooooh, I get it...the facts I provided about the LAWS are not good enough because MOST people do it anyways.

I dig ya...I see what your doin'.:spin:
They weren't good enough cause you left out one important clause.

Remember, its not about the letter of the law, its the spirit. Those laws are meant to enforce child safety, thus why you won't see them enforced unless the child is in danger.

PS its not spinning when its true. If anything you're spinning it cause you're using the letter of the law to make a point that doesn't exist cause its not enforced. Dizzy yet? :spin:

[taylor192]

The bolded made me have a good laugh in the morning, thanks.

What if your child decides he loves it? Loves to drink and smoke weed.. And once you say: "No, if you start to abuse it, it isn't good for this, and that and etc."
I'll ask you this:

If this happens, would it be better to know about it, or it to happen in private without your knowledge?

BTW that's rhetorical. Of course it'd be better to know, then appropriate resources can be sought out.

[taylor192]

i felt that too but since he's going around calling everyone names and making false assumptions i figured why shouldn't he get the same treatment and the only way for him to get it is if its about someone other than himself

but i have to say its likely a more educated assumption than taylors ever made ;)
LOL

If you want to get to me, trump my facts, I hate that. A stupid person uttering stupid words has no merit, it actually makes me laugh when stupid people feel the need to lash out as such.

I get you wanted to give me a taste of my own medicine, which is interesting cause I don't call people stupid to insult them, its just sarcasm. As I said before, I guess the shoe fit if you feel insulted and the need to return insults.

[m!chael]

If my parent's weren't so chill about everything when I was young I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be as successful as I am now. At the end of the day its all about the values that they instill in you.

[Glove]

^ you interupted taylor

[m!chael]

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[Gridlock]

^ you tried to be funny
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I laughed.

[Manic!]

Mother raped own daughter for 'sex education' - CafeMom (http://www.cafemom.com/group/99198/forums/read/15782538/Mother_raped_own_daughter_for_sex_education)


A mother of four who raped her 11-year-old daughter and filmed it as a form of "sex education" has been jailed for four years in Australia.

The 37-year-old woman from Queensland's Sunshine Coast made three films using her mobile phone showing her raping her youngest child and exposed her to other sexual activity "in response to repeated questions," The Sunshine Daily reported.

Judge John Robertson said sexual offenses against children by their own mothers were "rare," describing the relationship between mother and child as "seminal in our society."

He told the woman she had "no psychological or intellectual reason to explain this shocking behavior," as she had "a normal loving upbringing with parents and family who still support you."

The court heard that the woman started seeing the father of her four children — 16 years her senior — when she was "virtually a child" at age 14. She had her first child at 16.

She later began a cyber-sex relationship with a man and "became obsessed with sex." She would allow her daughter to view sexual videos the two sent to each other.

"From the start you characterized your behavior as some form of bizarre sex education with the child which did not involve sexual gratification from you... You were obsessed with sex and your life was in chaos," Robertson reportedly said.

He also said the mother, through her "selfish criminal conduct," had deprived her daughter of the right to "a wholesome and loving relationship with her mother."

[Hondaracer]

Quoting "laws" is a pretty weak argument, you ever go over the speed limit? Omg!
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[Manic!]

Quoting "laws" is a pretty weak argument, you ever go over the speed limit? Omg!
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So when you teach your kids to drive your going to tell them to speed?

[melloman]

Perhaps you missed me mentioning several times my GF teaches this for a living.

BC already has comprehensive sex ed from K-12.

Thanks, becuase I'm going to take your girlfriends word as the word of god. You rely on facts, yet have none to show here. :rukidding:

[Hondaracer]

So when you teach your kids to drive your going to tell them to speed?

no, but it happens.. much like underage drinking

[Excelsis]

... everyone speeds whether it's 1 km over the limit or more, no one cares either

driving dangerously is what matters

same thing with drugs and alcohol i guess, in moderation it's not going to hurt you

but at the same time it's immoral to teach a young kid that smoking and drinking is okay

[GabAlmighty]

LOL glad to know I have such an effect on you. :thumbsup:

You'd do well to lighten up, its just sarcasm.

sar-cas-m?

[Manic!]

no, but it happens.. much like underage drinking

But are you going to help them do it.


Taylor I got you beat. My sister is a VP at a high school and councils children.

VP>Teacher

[StylinRed]

no, but it happens.. much like underage drinking

yeah but the whole point of this thread is about parents facilitating such behaviour...

[iEatClams]

yeah but the whole point of this thread is about parents facilitating such behaviour...

some of the key points in this thread are:

1) If you don't think your teenagers are in the minority and they don't party or get drunk, then don't facilitate it and dont have "supervised" drinking parties. This sets the tone for them that this is unacceptable etc. Keep in mind that even though you think they won't drink, they may still lie to you and still go out and party.

2) If you do think your kids will party and have drinks, you have the option to A) tell them they shouldn't drink or party, in which case they will party at their friends place or some park or at some location where their are no adults nearby to supervise them. If they do something crazy stupid only they will know about it and the parents will never find out.

or option B) if there is a special event, say it's your son's birthday, and he wants to invite his friends over to your basement and have a party, where alcohol will be consumed, with your son fully aware that mom and pop are upstairs and that if something out-of-line happens, the parents can be there to assist them.

This can also be grounds for disciplining them in the future if something really horrible happens, ie, son your last bday party shiet got out-of-line so we are grounding you or preventing you from hosting any party. This option also gives you a chance to see the type of friends your son/daughter is partying with, and this opens up another topic I won't go into.
This option imho also helps develop your relationship with your son/daughter as well.

In addition, most parents think highly of their kids, and think they are responsible, in which case, a responsible teenager will be fully aware that they can't do anything too crazy and only drink responsibly, otherwise their parents wont let them host future parties, or might ground them etc.



Overall, IMHO both choices are valid depending on the situation I guess, but I think I will choose option B, as my kids will most likely grow up in East Van or some sort and wont be going to some West-side or private school where everyone gets straight As and they never party cause they are too busy studying to get into XYZ Medical/Business school or too ashamed to drink because they have the red face flush etc.

[StylinRed]

2) If you do think your kids will party and have drinks, you have the option to A) tell them they shouldn't drink or party, in which case they will party at their friends place or some park or at some location where their are no adults nearby to supervise them. If they do something crazy stupid only they will know about it and the parents will never find out.

or option B) if there is a special event, say it's your son's birthday, and he wants to invite his friends over to your basement and have a party, where alcohol will be consumed, with your son fully aware that mom and pop are upstairs and that if something out-of-line happens, the parents can be there to assist them.

This can also be grounds for disciplining them in the future if something really horrible happens, ie, son your last bday party shiet got out-of-line so we are grounding you or preventing you from hosting any party. This option also gives you a chance to see the type of friends your son/daughter is partying with, and this opens up another topic I won't go into.
This option imho also helps develop your relationship with your son/daughter as well.


Overall, IMHO both choices are valid depending on the situation I guess, but I think I will choose option B, as my kids will most likely grow up in East Van or some sort and wont be going to some West-side or private school where everyone gets straight As and they never party cause they are too busy studying to get into XYZ Medical/Business school or too ashamed to drink because they have the red face flush etc.




...

So someones parents think they can give my retarded teenager a facility to get high? they better be careful that I never, ever, find out, where the fuck do they get off thinking they can do that?

Well the thing is they're only concerned with condoning /controlling / monitoring their own kid, with drug & alcohol use they're just allowing other kids there so that they can better care for their own kid; they're not gonna give a damn if Your kid starts fucking up or going too far they'll simply say "what a shame" and use it as an example to their own kid "see jimmy/sally you dont want to end up like that"

Ive got no real problem with a parent facilitating their own childs experimentation; i think its fucking stupid and i would gladly call child services on them but i wouldn't intervene beyond that ;)

...


there are 2 extremes, if you fall in the middle? whatever i guess? maybe you could have been more? if you end up on top, congratulations! if you end up in the dump who gives a fuck right? you got this


people in the thread dont seem to have an issue really with what a parent decides for their own kid (sure there are qualms about it) what is getting on everyones nerves is the parent facilitating other peoples kids, i can understand your side and i can see how it would be good for Your kid but you're not raising mine

[taylor192]

but at the same time it's immoral to teach a young kid that smoking and drinking is okay
Morals are different for everyone. Many Quebec parents allow their teenage children to sleep in the same room as their partner - something that my parents won't allow me to do as an adult.

Thus moral arguments are weak, cause everyone's morals are different. That's why I prefer fact, not opinion.

[iEatClams]

people in the thread dont seem to have an issue really with what a parent decides for their own kid (sure there are qualms about it) what is getting on everyones nerves is the parent facilitating other peoples kids, i can understand your side and i can see how it would be good for Your kid but you're not raising mine

It depends where you grow up I guess.
When I was in high school, your "son" would go to my son's party, and you would never found out about it, and even if you did, you wouldn't care, cause that's how it was where I was growing up. And if your the type of parent that would care, your son would never tell you, for fear of being outkast/bullied by friends or people at school.

Kids never want to be unpopular at school. It's like an unwritten code. Plus if child services or anything like that ever calls, I'll just say my kid told me he was having a party downstairs, I didnt want to be a party pooper so I had "no idea" they had booze down there.

It's like parents spanking their kids back in the day. Usually nothing happens to the parents.

[iEatClams]

^ P.S Stylinred, I'm not saying your way of raising kids is the right or wrong way, I'm just saying most parents are very naive when it comes to their kids.

[GabAlmighty]

Morals are different for everyone. Many Quebec parents allow their teenage children to sleep in the same room as their partner - something that my parents won't allow me to do as an adult.

Thus moral arguments are weak, cause everyone's morals are different. That's why I prefer fact, not opinion.

Where in the fuck does "Quebec parents" have anything to do with that? My ex gf's mom would let me sleep over all the time in high school whereas my parents wouldn't. I know lots of parents who would and would not allow that to happen during high school years.

[dinosaur]

It depends where you grow up I guess.
When I was in high school, your "son" would go to my son's party, and you would never found out about it, and even if you did, you wouldn't care, cause that's how it was where I was growing up. And if your the type of parent that would care, your son would never tell you, for fear of being outkast/bullied by friends or people at school.

Kids never want to be unpopular at school. It's like an unwritten code. Plus if child services or anything like that ever calls, I'll just say my kid told me he was having a party downstairs, I didnt want to be a party pooper so I had "no idea" they had booze down there.

It's like parents spanking their kids back in the day. Usually nothing happens to the parents.

:fulloffuck:

[iEatClams]

... everyone speeds whether it's 1 km over the limit or more, no one cares either

driving dangerously is what matters

same thing with drugs and alcohol i guess, in moderation it's not going to hurt you

but at the same time it's immoral to teach a young kid that smoking and drinking is okay

What's the difference then? you know your kid will speed. My parents thought me to drive, i never went to an instructor etc. They told me to drive with the speed of traffic and never too fast, which in essence is telling me I can go over the speed limit. Yet they told me to not drive too fast otherwise it's dangerous.

Isn't the same thing with booze?, social drinking is basically acceptable in western societies, people watch a hockey/football game while drinking a beer. They have wine with dinner. Can't you tell your teenagers the same thing, drink a bit, but dont drink too much cause it's dangerous, ie. moderation. I have faith in my kid that he will be smart, mature and responsible enough to drink in moderation.

I'm not saying I'll let my 10 year old drink, but when he's mature enough (15-17) etc, I'll let him drink.

[iEatClams]

:fulloffuck:

I grew up in smaller towns in Alberta and BC, and not major cities, and this was how it was in these types of high schools.

I find it very strange that many of my friends who grew up in vancouver never had or experience the "american pie/superbad" type house parties where there are girls in bikinis and hot tubs and 50+ people in the house.

[AAnthony]

WTF! I got my fail button taken away because of this thread??!!? Alpha was saying A LOT of dumb shit, he deserved every one of my fails

I'm 22 years old, so i'm pretty sure I have a better grasp on "youth" than most of the old timers on here. It's been said sooooo many times already, but kids will drink no matter what the parents say, it's inevitable. It's like all the anti-smoking ads that actually increased the amount of youth smoking. Think of the Adam and Eve story with the "forbidden fruit", they could have any fruit they wanted, but the fact they were told not to eat the special fruit made them want it even more. Ever hear of something called reverse psychology???...kid's will drink no matter what, whether it be in a park, behind school, etc. The upside of it being parent approved is that it stops the kids from driving home, stops randoms from showing up at party's (which usually ends up in a fight/things being stolen), keeps the kids from getting completely out of control because they know somebody's parents are upstairs.

I was at some huge festivals in Italy and I say tons of bartenders serving 15-16 year old kids. It's pretty normal in Europe, why is it in North America that everybody tries to shelter their kids so much. I also spent my life in private religious schools, lets just say, the kids that were most sheltered and innocent growing up seriously fucked their lives up after high school, i'm talking SERIOUS coke/e/alcohol problems. You can only shelter kids for so long, because they're eventually going to enter the "real world" and it's going to overwhelm them.

/rant

[iEatClams]

WTF! I got my fail button taken away because of this thread??!!? Alpha was saying A LOT of dumb shit, he deserved every one of my fails

I'm 22 years old, so i'm pretty sure I have a better grasp on "youth" than most of the old timers on here. It's been said sooooo many times already, but kids will drink no matter what the parents say, it's inevitable. It's like all the anti-smoking ads that actually increased the amount of youth smoking. Think of the Adam and Eve story with the "forbidden fruit", they could have any fruit they wanted, but the fact they were told not to eat the special fruit made them want it even more. Ever hear of something called reverse psychology???...kid's will drink no matter what, whether it be in a park, behind school, etc. The upside of it being parent approved is that it stops the kids from driving home, stops randoms from showing up at party's (which usually ends up in a fight/things being stolen), keeps the kids from getting completely out of control because they know somebody's parents are upstairs.

I was at some huge festivals in Italy and I say tons of bartenders serving 15-16 year old kids. It's pretty normal in Europe, why is it in North America that everybody tries to shelter their kids so much. I also spent my life in private religious schools, lets just say, the kids that were most sheltered and innocent growing up seriously fucked their lives up after high school, i'm talking SERIOUS coke/e/alcohol problems. You can only shelter kids for so long, because they're eventually going to enter the "real world" and it's going to overwhelm them.

/rant

+ 1 , Thank you

It's somewhat due to the culture and race of people here is what I'm thinking.

[iEatClams]

people in the thread dont seem to have an issue really with what a parent decides for their own kid (sure there are qualms about it) what is getting on everyones nerves is the parent facilitating other peoples kids, i can understand your side and i can see how it would be good for Your kid but you're not raising mine

Knowing that kids are going to be drinking anyways, it's inevitable, I would love it if my kids drink at their friend's house with their parents being present. I don't have to be "on watch" and I know that somewhere will be there to ensure they will be responsible rather then them drinking at a park or school.

[AAnthony]

+ 1 , Thank you

It's somewhat due to the culture and race of people here is what I'm thinking.

I got a feeling they spent every weekend on the computer, playing video games, or studying (so they could get get A's and please their "supportive" families for fear of being grounded/disowned had they gotten B's) while everybody else was enjoying their youth.

I'm just pissed at my fail button being taken away!! :devil:

[StylinRed]

:fulloffuck:

yes... because we all know teens will rebel so lets foster and support that rebellion.... :seriously:

that's a defeatist attitude... but hey i can see how people would think that's the best way to go about it and it might work out alright but again that's fine for your kid but dont let my kid be involved since you won't be parenting them you'll only be parenting yours and facilitating mine


Knowing that kids are going to be drinking anyways, it's inevitable, I would love it if my kids drink at their friend's house with their parents being present. I don't have to be "on watch" and I know that somewhere will be there to ensure they will be responsible rather then them drinking at a park or school.

they wont be watching your kid... they'll just make sure your kid doesn't fuck up their home...

[dinosaur]

Okay....I said it before and several others have said it as well.

We are all arguing different topics.

Topic of the thread: Is it cool to have kids party in your basement that you did not spawn. Is there a liability for said parent should a kid that is not yours get hurt/sick/killed, etc. or is there a moral issue if that kids parents with not aware that you were allowing their kid to drink/drug underage.

Somewhat off topic, but related: Do you allow JUST your underage kid to drink with your supervision. How far do ya go? What lesson does that teach? Does it aid in their future judgement?

Mostly off topic, but can be tied back to thread: Teen sex and allowing you kid's SO to spend the night.....and Taylor192 knocks boots with a sex-ed teacher.

Off topic: What the "cool kids" are doing these days. Random...but good to know, I guess. The "Asian" thing a few pages back and related cultural or ethic references.

WAY off topic: Speeding vs. driving the speed limit.

Creepy WAY off topic: Sleeping with your parents.

My current topic: I just painted my nails and can't sleep until they are dry....first world problem.

Shall we pick one and discuss so we don't sound like a bunch of STUPID (for you Taylor192) people? I, for one, would like to discuss my nails...anyone?

[TOS'd]

My current topic: I just painted my nails and can't sleep until they are dry....first world problem.

pics of your nails?

[dinosaur]

9746

...now this thread is :fullofwin:

[Lomac]

You realize it starts all innocent-like by asking for pictures of your nails... but then it will slowly escalate to pictures of maybe the latest haircut you had. Then it'll be of you on vacation while suntanning. And from there, it's the inevitable "Tits or gtfo!" request.

Just sayin'... :lol

[dinosaur]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :haha:

Noted. Grid will keep me in line ;)

[TOS'd]

You realize it starts all innocent-like by asking for pictures of your nails... but then it will slowly escalate to pictures of maybe the latest haircut you had. Then it'll be of you on vacation while suntanning. And from there, it's the inevitable "Tits or gtfo!" request.

Just sayin'... :lol

You make me sound like the bad guy now..

[Lomac]

Guess I should finally go back and answer this...

I don't dispute the logic, but I have a question. Did everyone else's parents know what was happening? I suspect not.

I would have your head if you were making those decisions for my child. Dino's parents said about as much 10 years later now that the cat is out of the bag. I continually advocate not imposing ones beliefs on another, and this is a clear example. Here we have some kids that are raised in a stricter household, that other parents obviously disagree with, so lets cut them out of the picture and provide a safe environment for you. Great ideals, but damned ugly in the details.

I don't want my kids to drink underage. I accept that they may want to try, and I view it as my RESPONSIBILITY to prevent them. Yes, I would prefer it to occur in a safe environment as opposed to in the back seat of a car somewhere, but my main issue is I don't want it to occur in the first place.

I fully agree with the age 19 legal limit. If I've done my job well, by the time you hit 19 you should know whats safe, and whats not safe and how to make responsible decisions.

While my parents were unaware of what was going on, I know many other parents did. I never told mine because they were pretty strict about certain things and would have frowned upon me attending such an event.

That said, they did give me the random alcoholic drink once in a while. Sometimes it was a glass of wine during a big family dinner, while other times it was a beer as we watched a hockey game at home. They would never go out and buy me booze if I asked for it when I was underage, but they never taught me that Alcohol = Bad. Drugs and smoking, yes, they were pretty damn fierce about that, but at least they were somewhat lenient on this.


Edit: I should add that I never become much of a drinker. Sure, I had a few party hard days, but those were few and far between. Even today, I rarely drink and if I do, it's maaaaybe one beer while watching the game or a glass of Bailey's on the rocks while working on the car.

I really hate the "its too hard, let's just give up" philosophy regarding a lot of these things. Teen sex. There's a huge one. Yes, abstinence only education policies don't work. I get that. In school, I was taught a "abstinence with education" format.

Sample:

"Hey! abstinence is the best way to avoid disease and pregnancy. Condoms work like this."

No one advocated one over the other. And I had a teacher that was very real in her dialogue, and still never made that link to "if you are going to do it, do it this way"

If a child comes to me and says, "I'd like to go on the pill", let's get it done. I'm going to talk to you about safety and decisions and all the rest, but we'll get it done. They've made the decision, and they have thought about the consequences. I've already done my work at this point! They've come to me. Taking a child and saying, "you are 14, let's cover birth control" is a parental approved license to screw.

Taking your child, and other people's children and giving them a parental approved license to drink is playing with fire.

And I can't help think a lot of it is wanting to be the "cool" parents.

If I can't raise a child that is capable of at least for a second thinking about tomorrow as opposed to just today, and think of consequences of their decisions even if they aren't fully understanding the long-range ramifications then I guess I do have to give up and say, here, be safe about it.

But a parent, any good parent, should never give up on their kids.

I don't think it has anything to do with wanting to be a "cool" parent. The majority of members here are somewhere between their late-teens and early-thirties. Most of us aren't old enough to have kids that fall under the topic we're currently talking about. The thing is that we all know, or remember, what it's like to be fifteen and dealing with peer pressure. Most of us want to be able to pass our experiences and knowledge down to our own children. However, we also remember exactly how stubborn we were towards our parents. We thought that they knew nothing about growing up, or at least had completely forgotten. And even if we knew, there's still something about that age that makes us ignore any useful advice they may have. For the most part, I don't blame today's parents. Every generation has the "When I was your age, kids didn't do..." saying. We all think that our generation is better than the upcoming one. But if you've ever sat down and talked with a bunch of Gen-X'er parents, and even their parents, things were more or less the same. Yes, different world climates had an affect on things, but there was always underage drinking, there were always kids thinking their parents didn't understand them, and there were always kids sneaking away and doing shit that they were forbidden to do.

I'll add one observation, though. Today's nanny state and idiotic rampantness (that's not even a word, is it?) of political correctness has had a bit of an impact on the current up-coming generation.

[Lomac]

You make me sound like the bad guy now..

:lol

It wasn't aimed at you specifically. It was a general observation of Revscene as a whole.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :haha:

Noted. Grid will keep me in line ;)

I wonder if he'd be willing to turn a blind eye if I offered to adjust his user title... ;)

[dinosaur]

I wonder if he'd be willing to turn a blind eye if I offered to adjust his user title... ;)

NOOOOooooo! I think he secretly loves it ;)

[melloman]

Many Quebec parents allow their teenage children to sleep in the same room as their partner

Creepy WAY off topic: Sleeping with your parents.

Jus sayin' :fullofwin:

[Gridlock]

NOOOOooooo! I think he secretly loves it ;)

I'm special! Not in a short bus way.

[Great68]

So my wife went to Little Flower Academy. For those that don't know, it's an upsnoot all girls catholic school.

For the After-Grad party, the parents of the grad students organized it at one of the frat-houses on UBC. The week leading to grad, students were allowed to bring in alcohol that they planned to drink during the after-grad. The type of alcohol didn't matter, it could be anything from coolers to 151.

The students were given drink punchcards, they were allowed four drink punches per person over the course of the evening (Dates were also given four punches).

The night was great, no one got out of line and everyone had a good time. There were a few pukers in the night but there were parents were on puke patrol with the mop & bucket ready.

In contrast my after-grad was organized by some students in some dingy shithole on horseshoe way in Richmond (near no5 & steveston highway). It was pretty much just a low brow booze up, with no other entertainment. There were fights, the fucking "security detail" was headed by Ben Blenis, the guy who ran an asian guy over in a stolen car on Garden City a few years ago. It was a true shit show, and I had no fun.

I WISH that our parents had organized something like what my wife's parents did.

[taylor192]

Where in the fuck does "Quebec parents" have anything to do with that? My ex gf's mom would let me sleep over all the time in high school whereas my parents wouldn't. I know lots of parents who would and would not allow that to happen during high school years.

Its just more common there than most provinces. Feel free to get your panties in a bunch though.

[taylor192]

Jus sayin' :fullofwin:
Partner is a common term for adults, BF/GF gets old after awhile. I call my GF my partner, yet use the term GF here cause I know many members have a juvenile mentality - thank you for proving me correct.

[Excelsis]

WTF! I got my fail button taken away because of this thread??!!? Alpha was saying A LOT of dumb shit, he deserved every one of my fails

I'm 22 years old, so i'm pretty sure I have a better grasp on "youth" than most of the old timers on here. It's been said sooooo many times already, but kids will drink no matter what the parents say, it's inevitable. It's like all the anti-smoking ads that actually increased the amount of youth smoking. Think of the Adam and Eve story with the "forbidden fruit", they could have any fruit they wanted, but the fact they were told not to eat the special fruit made them want it even more. Ever hear of something called reverse psychology???...kid's will drink no matter what, whether it be in a park, behind school, etc. The upside of it being parent approved is that it stops the kids from driving home, stops randoms from showing up at party's (which usually ends up in a fight/things being stolen), keeps the kids from getting completely out of control because they know somebody's parents are upstairs.

I was at some huge festivals in Italy and I say tons of bartenders serving 15-16 year old kids. It's pretty normal in Europe, why is it in North America that everybody tries to shelter their kids so much. I also spent my life in private religious schools, lets just say, the kids that were most sheltered and innocent growing up seriously fucked their lives up after high school, i'm talking SERIOUS coke/e/alcohol problems. You can only shelter kids for so long, because they're eventually going to enter the "real world" and it's going to overwhelm them.

/rant

:ilied:

[gars]

Where in the fuck does "Quebec parents" have anything to do with that? My ex gf's mom would let me sleep over all the time in high school whereas my parents wouldn't. I know lots of parents who would and would not allow that to happen during high school years.

Taylor read that in a study. He always has facts to back it up. Don't argue with him over this point.

So my wife went to Little Flower Academy. For those that don't know, it's an upsnoot all girls catholic school.

For the After-Grad party, the parents of the grad students organized it at one of the frat-houses on UBC. The week leading to grad, students were allowed to bring in alcohol that they planned to drink during the after-grad. The type of alcohol didn't matter, it could be anything from coolers to 151.

The students were given drink punchcards, they were allowed four drink punches per person over the course of the evening (Dates were also given four punches).

The night was great, no one got out of line and everyone had a good time. There were a few pukers in the night but there were parents were on puke patrol with the mop & bucket ready.

In contrast my after-grad was organized by some students in some dingy shithole on horseshoe way in Richmond (near no5 & steveston highway). It was pretty much just a low brow booze up, with no other entertainment. There were fights, the fucking "security detail" was headed by Ben Blenis, the guy who ran an asian guy over in a stolen car on Garden City a few years ago. It was a true shit show, and I had no fun.

I WISH that our parents had organized something like what my wife's parents did.

I went to PW - and didn't have a school-organized Prom. Instead, our parents helped organize it. They didn't go as far as allow us to bring alcohol in, but people drank before hand and weren't turned away at the door if they showed up drunk...

The best part about the night was the taxi service they helped organize. Very much like the one that an awesome member on RS organized - our parents had a taxi service where you could call a number - and they would pick you up, and drive you to a destination of your choice - no questions asked.

[taylor192]

I WISH that our parents had organized something like what my wife's parents did.

Awesome, thanks for sharing.

The father of one of my HS friends was a lawyer, and had lots of police contacts and a huge field behind their house (I grew up in rural Ontario). They'd throw huge field parties which 100s of kids would come out to. How they managed it was awesome.

Once you drove on the property and parked, you gave up your keys. The only way to get them back was to blow a pass on a borrowed breathalyzer, otherwise you're stuck for the night, good luck sleeping in your car (or more likely in the field). For anyone thinking they'd bring a second set of keys, the property was gated and locked.

The parties never got too out of control, cause you knew the parents would do a round every now-and-then, as well as a few police cruisers would randomly stop by during the night to say hello.

This was so much better than the other random unsupervised parties that got way out of control, and the few HS acquaintances we lost due to drinking and driving home from those parties.

[taylor192]

The best part about the night was the taxi service they helped organize. Very much like the one that an awesome member on RS organized - our parents had a taxi service where you could call a number - and they would pick you up, and drive you to a destination of your choice - no questions asked.
Except when the taxi brings Gridlock and dinosaur's kid home drunk there'll be lots of questions to be answered the next day as they raise hell for violating how they want to raise their children.

[Excelsis]

[18-01, 12:08] dinosaur i fucking googled taylor192...that bitch is all over the internet with the same bs
[18-01, 12:09] dinosaur lol
[18-01, 12:09] dinosaur seriously...google that shit

:accepted:
taylor192
Just wanted to make an observation. Taylor192, you sure have a lot of energy. I don't know how you're able to come here and argue with 10 people at once, every single week, every single month. I don't agree with many of your points, but damn... you sure have a lot of will and energy. It's actually becoming quite entertaining. It's like you have a show on here. Taylor192 vs. everyone else. You get beat up constantly, but keep coming back!

If I ever needed to run for office, you're the kinda guy I need to help me spread the word. You are one tireless mofo (not meant in a derogatory way), if I may say so.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

[Manic!]

So my wife went to Little Flower Academy. For those that don't know, it's an upsnoot all girls catholic school.

For the After-Grad party, the parents of the grad students organized it at one of the frat-houses on UBC. The week leading to grad, students were allowed to bring in alcohol that they planned to drink during the after-grad. The type of alcohol didn't matter, it could be anything from coolers to 151.

The students were given drink punchcards, they were allowed four drink punches per person over the course of the evening (Dates were also given four punches).

The night was great, no one got out of line and everyone had a good time. There were a few pukers in the night but there were parents were on puke patrol with the mop & bucket ready.

In contrast my after-grad was organized by some students in some dingy shithole on horseshoe way in Richmond (near no5 & steveston highway). It was pretty much just a low brow booze up, with no other entertainment. There were fights, the fucking "security detail" was headed by Ben Blenis, the guy who ran an asian guy over in a stolen car on Garden City a few years ago. It was a true shit show, and I had no fun.

I WISH that our parents had organized something like what my wife's parents did.

Parents from a local high school would rent a place for a grad party and provide buses for transport. This party was after there school grad party. The police would setup a roadblock, enter the buses and confiscate all the alcohol. Parents were pissed but the police were doing there job. Made the front page of the paper a few times.


Cracking Down - YouTube

[taylor192]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

:) That's from BCSB, one of 2 sites I'm banned from. When I call people stupid here I'm being sarcastic, that site is seriously filled with stupid people. I've met some and they were great, yet mostly that site is for people who don't see the value in helmets cause they have little to protect.

I have 2 monitors at work, and downtime while compiling or running tests. You'll also notice my posts are quick, I don't spend nearly as much time on them as people think.

[Great68]

I went to PW - and didn't have a school-organized Prom. Instead, our parents helped organize it. They didn't go as far as allow us to bring alcohol in, but people drank before hand and weren't turned away at the door if they showed up drunk...

The best part about the night was the taxi service they helped organize. Very much like the one that an awesome member on RS organized - our parents had a taxi service where you could call a number - and they would pick you up, and drive you to a destination of your choice - no questions asked.

I believe the thought was that if they allowed some alcohol over the course of an evening in a controlled manner, the students were less likely to go nuts with the pre-drinking. It was also scheduled directly after the Dinner/Dance, not giving them much time to pre-drink either.

Also they had a policy that if you left the party, you were not allowed back in.

[Great68]

Parents from a local high school would rent a place for a grad party and provide buses for transport. This party was after there school grad party. The police would setup a roadblock, enter the buses and confiscate all the alcohol. Parents were pissed but the police were doing there job. Made the front page of the paper a few times.


Cracking Down - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQiQDyQX1ck)

Sucks to be them. In my wife's case it was the adults who controlled and transported the alcohol to the party. There would have been nothing to confiscate from the students.

I respect the police for doing their job and upholding the law. I don't exactly respect the law they are upholding.

[Manic!]

Sucks to be them. In my wife's case it was the adults who controlled and transported the alcohol to the party. There would have been nothing to confiscate from the students.

I respect the police for doing their job and upholding the law. I don't exactly respect the law they are upholding.

Serving alcohol to minors is illegal. The police could and probable would have shut it down if they knew about it.

[gars]

Sucks to be them. In my wife's case it was the adults who controlled and transported the alcohol to the party. There would have been nothing to confiscate from the students.

I respect the police for doing their job and upholding the law. I don't exactly respect the law they are upholding.

Except in your wife's case - the police could very well just fine the parents for providing alcohol to the students.

[Great68]

I was not arguing the legality of the event.

Point = completely missed.

[taylor192]

Serving alcohol to minors is illegal. The police could and probable would have shut it down if they knew about it.
My Fraternity threw numerous keg parties and not once did the police break it up over underage drinking, and trust me I dealt with the police many times.

As long as its controlled and supervised, the police turn a blind eye - cause as I said these laws are meant to protect child in danger, and they aren't in any danger at a controlled and supervised event.

[taylor192]

Except in your wife's case - the police could very well just fine the parents for providing alcohol to the students.
My Fraternity sold tickets to drink at keg parties in a residential house, many to underage students as most 1st year students are 17-18yo. That violates a ton of laws, which again, the police did not have an issue with as long as the party was under control and supervised.

Quoting the letter of the law is stupid unless you also quote cases where its been enforced, and statistics of how much enforcement there is.

We all know that 1 kmph over the limit is speeding, yet we all know the police do not write tickets for 1 kmph over. Use some common sense.

[dinosaur]

trust me I dealt with the police many times.

:Orly:

[taylor192]

:Orly:
500+ people keg parties cause a lot of issues. Thankfully the police have a better attitude about this than a lot of people in this thread.

[Gridlock]

Except when the taxi brings Gridlock and dinosaur's kid home drunk there'll be lots of questions to be answered the next day as they raise hell for violating how they want to raise their children.

Yes. Thank you. Finally my point has been at least referenced.

[Great68]

500+ people keg parties cause a lot of issues. Thankfully the police have a better attitude about this than a lot of people in this thread.

There's a lot of saints in here...

[TOS'd]

:Orly:
http://i44.tinypic.com/2uqp45k.jpg

[gars]

There's a lot of saints in here...

There's also a lot of badasses in here. Fact of the matter is - this thread is really just a discussion on opinion here. We're not really just talking about the legality here or whether or not the police will actually enforce any of said laws - but whether or not parents/adults should endorse or supervise underaged drinking and drug use.

Even people on this thread who are voicing their opinions - it's all hypothetical. While some people may have had parents who were lenient with them - they themselves might not treat their children the same way.

I don't think anyone in this thread actually have Children who are in their teen years.

[LSF22]

I don't think anyone in this thread actually have Children who are in their teen years.

How could you forget MG1 :fullofwin:

[GabAlmighty]

Its just more common there than most provinces. Feel free to get your panties in a bunch though.

What leads you to believe that? Have you lived there for any amount of time? Or is it just a hunch...

[dinosaur]

500+ people keg parties cause a lot of issues. Thankfully the police have a better attitude about this than a lot of people in this thread.

WOAH WOAH WOAH!! Watch out guys!!

9749

[Hondaracer]

dinosaur, you're a clown.

[iEatClams]

Originally Posted by taylor192
Except when the taxi brings Gridlock and dinosaur's kid home drunk there'll be lots of questions to be answered the next day as they raise hell for violating how they want to raise their children.


This is where I think taylor has a good argument.

For those parents that do not support this supervised drinking or dont want others to raise their children, dont get mad if it's YOUR kid that comes over to my party.

If you don't approve of these supervised partys, make sure you tell your kid not to come to these parties or events where alcohol will be consumed. Don't blame me your kid came to the party.

If you feel it's your job to raise your kid then he/she wont be coming to these parties based on your morals.

[Gridlock]

This is where I think taylor has a good argument.

For those parents that do not support this supervised drinking or dont want others to raise their children, dont get mad if it's YOUR kid that comes over to my party.

If you don't approve of these supervised partys, make sure you tell your kid not to come to these parties or events where alcohol will be consumed. Don't blame me your kid came to the party.

If you feel it's your job to raise your kid then he/she wont be coming to these parties based on your morals.

And 9 freaking pages later...I am for damned sure coming after you as you are an adult, and by virtue, a child under 16-17 is a minor!

I don't give a damn if the police don't usually bother with enforcing the laws, they will i

oh fuck it...no one is listening and no one cares. Talk in circles.

[TOS'd]

And 9 freaking pages later...I am for damned sure coming after you as you are an adult, and by virtue, a child under 16-17 is a minor!

I don't give a damn if the police don't usually bother with enforcing the laws, they will i

oh fuck it...no one is listening and no one cares. Talk in circles.

I'm listening. :)

[iEatClams]

And 9 freaking pages later...I am for damned sure coming after you as you are an adult, and by virtue, a child under 16-17 is a minor!

I don't give a damn if the police don't usually bother with enforcing the laws, they will i

oh fuck it...no one is listening and no one cares. Talk in circles.

okay, so you teach your kid that these events are bad and not acceptable.

if your 16-18 year old doesnt go, then great, no harm no foul. listens to parents, awesome.


But if your kid doesn't listen to you and still goes. . . .

and because it was supervised, they didnt drink and drive and die in a car accident or got caught up in some other trouble they would have gotten into if they were drinking at a park/others persons house/school etc.

so it's my fault I potentially saved ur kids life or prevented some other horrible event?

[trancehead]

dinosaur why the fail for azndude69? he made a legitimate point

gridlock and dinosaur you two have a funny relationship. are you guys married? in a civil union?

[dinosaur]

I failed b/c he missed the point of this thread...parent liability.

I think that whatever you want to do with your kid is fine...not my problem and not my right to judge. But, if a parent is allowing underage kids to drink, that are not his/her own, it is their responsibility to let the other parents know. I do not think it is right for that parent to make a judgement call on your kid. Thats it...simple.

No we are not married...but we might as well be. I run a little more liberal than Grid...I did all this shit when I was younger and grew-up in the Lower Mainland...Grid didn't. He was on the other side of the country on a farm so although I don't fully agree with have a kid abstain from EVERYTHING until he/she is 19, I agree that child-rearing decisions should be left up the that parent...not a friend's parent.

[taylor192]

For those parents that do not support this supervised drinking or dont want others to raise their children, dont get mad if it's YOUR kid that comes over to my party.
Don't worry gridlock and dinosaur will know where their kid is at all times. No way their kid will grow up as they did, sneaking behind their parents back to go drink. Never, not gonna happen.

:fuckthatshit:

[taylor192]

so it's my fault I potentially saved ur kids life or prevented some other horrible event?
You're arguing the wrong point. Gridlock and dinosaur are the type that blame everyone else for their problems.

Pick a situation where they cannot blame anyone, then see how they suddenly don't have an answer. Hopefully their kid won't be a statistic in one of my facts.

[dinosaur]

You're arguing the wrong point. Gridlock and dinosaur are the type that blame everyone else for their problems.


Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?! When have I ever come across as a person who blames everyone else for my problems....and since you think you know so much about me, what are my problems?! What do I need to blame other for?

I'd like to know who you blame for being a self-righteous prick who has nothing better to do than troll these fucking threads spread your word like it it fucking gospel.

[dinosaur]

Hopefully their kid won't be a statistic in one of my facts.

And please...give me these "facts" again...the only thing I have read is your random misinformation that you have gathered from your gf teaching manuals meant for 9th graders....but then again, that would appeal to you seeing as you have the intellect of a 15 years old.

/thread.

[PiuYi]

mods shoulda taken this to fightclub long ago...

[MindBomber]

mods shoulda taken this to fightclub long ago...

Perhaps, but Taylor entering threads, proceeding to flood it with his logic, failing to accept any validity in the logic of others or fault in that of his own, then the thread dying because everyone is sick of him is pretty common.

[Lomac]

I failed b/c he missed the point of this thread...parent liability.

I think that whatever you want to do with your kid is fine...not my problem and not my right to judge. But, if a parent is allowing underage kids to drink, that are not his/her own, it is their responsibility to let the other parents know. I do not think it is right for that parent to make a judgement call on your kid. Thats it...simple.

But what then happens if you're aware of said party and forbid your kid to go... yet they sneak away and attend anyway.

[Great68]

But what then happens if you're aware of said party and forbid your kid to go... yet they sneak away and attend anyway.

They'd say it's the hosting parents' responsibility to make sure their kid isn't involved.

But at the same time it pretty much proves that they don't have any control over their kids, and never instilled the right values in their kids in the first place.

[gars]

I don't believe that logic works when you are the parent and the people you're giving alcohol to are minors. You're the person with authority in this relationship and you're basically the one deciding this child should drink alcohol.

I'm not talking about kids in college, 17/18 years old, but in an environment where they interact with many people a few years older than them - I personally believe that if someone is old enough to vote, they're old enough to drink. Same with the military - if you're old enough to serve your country (16 with parental permission), you should be old enough to drink.

[Nightwalker]

I failed b/c he missed the point of this thread...parent liability.

I think that whatever you want to do with your kid is fine...not my problem and not my right to judge. But, if a parent is allowing underage kids to drink, that are not his/her own, it is their responsibility to let the other parents know. I do not think it is right for that parent to make a judgement call on your kid. Thats it...simple.

I disagree with this, because you can't control the rest of the world. The other parent is under no obligation to tell you anything, and is not responsible for raising your kid.

[Manic!]

But what then happens if you're aware of said party and forbid your kid to go... yet they sneak away and attend anyway.

Straight thupard to the face.

[StylinRed]

okay, so you teach your kid that these events are bad and not acceptable.

if your 16-18 year old doesnt go, then great, no harm no foul. listens to parents, awesome.


But if your kid doesn't listen to you and still goes. . . .

and because it was supervised, they didnt drink and drive and die in a car accident or got caught up in some other trouble they would have gotten into if they were drinking at a park/others persons house/school etc.

so it's my fault I potentially saved ur kids life or prevented some other horrible event?

you're assuming a lot there

what if a kid ended up having alcohol poisoning at your party? or overdosed on some shady E (as per recent events) or ended up drinking & driving and crashing/dying/killing someone?

what are you going to do then? "ooh not my problem, they got bad parents"


to answer your question, in a way, do you want a cookie that the potential risks luckily didn't happen tonight? regardless of your presence; because your argument is very much like "homeland security is succeeding because 9/11part2 didn't happen"

[Gridlock]

I think page 10 is the most annoying yet.

You guys are looking at black and white. OK...there is a huge difference for me, between a kid that is 12-16 and one that is 16-19 first of all. So maybe we should be specifying, because I'm looking at ages 12-16. Obviously, I'm not going to come down on a kid a day before its 19th birthday because you are 24 hours away from being legal. At which point, an 18-19 year old hanging in a safe place having a bit to drink is a vastly different scenario than my 13 year old.

Would you all agree to that?

So maybe we do need to specify a bit more. If my 12-14-15 year old comes home drunk, and says, "its ok, johnny's parents were there and they bought for us, whats the big deal man?" I'm going to be pissed because johnny's parents just undermined everything I've been doing. And for the people that are going to tear this apart: is your 16th birthday party going to be as fun if you've already been to party's where they are serving booze? No.

Here is where this thread is getting annoying. All of you computer parents here arguing about your would be kids are looking at this as black or white. Your kid is either going to drink anywhere, or in a safe parental provided location. But getting drunk in your minds is absolute. It's gonna happen.

Now, I know it occurs. But not every kid goes out and drinks every week, or every 2 weeks. So there is also a volume consideration here.

I'm thinking there is a shade of grey...not drinking. So I have Johnny's parents offering up a liquor friendly event and I have bobby's parents hosting an alcohol free party, specifically for the under 16 age group. Alcohol is not on every childs mind like a whino, but now they are decending upon a party where its present. Now we have a mix of kids, and experimentation. Which are they going to attend? Fuck, a few are going to be all over the beer, and others are going to say no because their parents will be pissed, and there will be a few kids that go with the group. Yes?

AND THAT IS WHAT IS ANNOYING. You are potentially introducing a new element to a childs life. Specifically the under 16 group. Not cool. At all.

So, can we find common ground that introducing alcohol is not a good thing?

Next...maybe we need to look at the child here. I've kept in my mind in this thread, my nephew. He's 15..good kid. Smart. Has a good eye for right and wrong. I know that in any decision, he sways with doing things right. I also know that at any point, he could be talked into trying shit that he shouldn't be trying. He's a good kid, but he's young for 15. Young in a great way! I don't want him to be an adult. He's got decades of that ahead of him. Be 15.

So, I know the kid. I don't think he's been drinking. Could always be wrong. I just don't get that its on his mind. Probably curious, but who can blame him. I've heard about his parties, and they seem pretty 15-esque.

So he's in your rec room. Going to hand him a beer? How about a joint?

[melloman]

:rukidding: Can somebody close this thread?

[Gridlock]

Dude...this thread is just getting epic.

[taylor192]

Now, I know it occurs. But not every kid goes out and drinks every week, or every 2 weeks. So there is also a volume consideration here.
All it takes is one time, especially the first time. That's not grey, that's black and white.

So, I know the kid. I don't think he's been drinking. Could always be wrong.
I was a straight A+ student, 2nd highest marks in my school, played 3 sports and did all sorts of activities. I also hit a strip club for the first time when I was 15yo, and I was already drinking at least once a month at that time.

ad that's the point - you will NOT know, especially if you're a hard ass and they feel like they have to hide it from you.