[Acura604]

Updated 6:15 a.m.: The Lions Gate Bridge is closed early Thursday after a fatal crash between a transit bus and another vehicle just before midnight.

West Vancouver police say it appears a car headed north midspan on the bridge lost control and spun into the southbound lanes, hitting a West Vancouver Transit bus.

"The Jaws of Life were used to extract the driver and passenger from the vehicle that struck the bus," said West Vancouver Sgt. Ed Pearce in a release.

Both were rushed to hospital but died of their injuries, said Pearce.

The bus driver and three of the 14 passengers on board were taken for treatment of non-life-threatening injuries.



Read more: Lions Gate Bridge reopens after double-fatal crash (http://www.theprovince.com/Lions+Gate+Bridge+closed+after+double+fatal+crash/7627078/story.html#ixzz2DclCecDG)

[Zordon]

Bridge has now been reopened to all traffic as per news1130 and Am730

Edit: didn't see the link on op

[Sky_High]

The victims were reportedly men in their 20s, whom witnesses told police were speeding northbound in the centre lane at the time of the crash, before swerving into the southbound lane
:suspicious:

[tomatogunk]

does anyone know of the names of the people who died in the crash? I looked at my fb news feed this morning and a lot of people were posting farewell status messages to this guy I knew in high school.

[swfk]

^We might have some mutual friends

[jmanhas]

i too have been seeing a lot of FB farewell statuses..
RIP

[Gh0stRider]

R.I.P
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[jaemc]

Rest in peace Jo.

[- kT]

rip j & t
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[SB7]

Terrible news. Rip.
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[OTG-ZR2]

RIP

Scene photo:http://i.imgur.com/pdBbE.jpg

[jonwon]

RIP cant believe you're gone

[Akinari]

RIP.

Don't think I've ever seen a car so mangled.

[ilvtofu]

RIP

Scene photo:http://i.imgur.com/pdBbE.jpg

Is that a BMW? weird vancouver sun said it was a mazda

[Akinari]

Is that a BMW? weird vancouver sun said it was a mazda
Looks at the wheels, it's a Mazda 6

[InvisibleSoul]

Wow, that's some serious impact. Yeah, that car is mangled, but I'm amazed at how much the bus is damaged. The car must have been flying over the bridge before losing control.

[snails]

holy fuck! RIP.. pictures like that definitely encourage me to drive safer, a few minutes of fun it not worth my life, especially with a passenger.. and if they hit a small passenger car it could have easily killed more people

[ilvtofu]

Looks at the wheels, it's a Mazda 6

yeah the wheels definitely give it away

Damn those A pillars are practically touching

Car is more recognizable in this pic
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A823PhgCYAAWVbZ.jpg

[Drow]

knew of them.

rip

[tomatogunk]

RIP, T.. Didn't get to know you very well but we did some f*ed up stuff together

[Kidnapman]

Fuck that's straight up brutal. RIP

[Sky_High]

Obviously speed + reckless driving + road condition contributed to the biggest factor of the crash / death.....but doing a quick search on Google.....these Mazda 6's don't exactly have the best safety standards. And if it's the 2003-06 ones, they are even worse: IIHS-HLDI: Mazda 6 (http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=295&seriesId=266)

RIP

[ilvtofu]

Obviously speed + reckless driving + road condition contributed to the biggest factor of the crash / death.....but doing a quick search on Google.....these Mazda 6's don't exactly have the best safety standards. And if it's the 2003-06 ones, they are even worse: IIHS-HLDI: Mazda 6 (http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=295&seriesId=266)

RIP

What are you trying to insinuate here? I would imagine they were going upwards of 80km/h and the bus at least a decent 60km/h, pretty sure most cars on the road were not designed to take that kind of impact.

[xilley]

Rest In Peace T..

[tofu1413]

cant believe this'll happen. met one of them before through my ex-gf.

RIP man.

[Taxmonkey]

It's crazy how fragile life can be. One minute you're there, and the next you're gone. RIP good friend.

[StylinRed]

What are you trying to insinuate here? I would imagine they were going upwards of 80km/h and the bus at least a decent 60km/h, pretty sure most cars on the road were not designed to take that kind of impact.

if its believed/witnessed that they were speeding i imagine they would be going far above that

driver was a friend of a friend; RIP

[AW607]

Everyone I know of is talking about these guys. I haven't gotten to know them personally, but they must have been good people. Cheers fellas, RIP

[Phil@rise]

Speeding up the center lane of Liongate bridge in poor weather conditions..... I have no sympathy they obviously had little regard for their lives and that of others. I'm thankful they didnt hurt anyone else more severely. Darwin recipients in my books.

[vyrospec]

RIP, met one of them long time ago too...condolences to both their families :(

[Hondaracer]

Feel worse for the people on the bus who had to experience this.
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[JaeF]

Feel worse for the people on the bus who had to experience this.
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Two people in their 20s lost their lives and I see people worrying about the "bus passengers" that didn't even have any life threatening injuries? Are you serious? Show some gratitude and respect!

You had a long life ahead of you.
RIP - T.L. you will be missed

[SeedBNR]

They seemed like quite the popular people..

[Calbeee]

didn't know them personally but seems like tons of people i know knew them...

Rest in peace.

[heero78]

Two people in their 20s lost their lives and I see people worrying about the "bus passengers" that didn't even have any life threatening injuries? Are you serious? Show some gratitude and respect!

You had a long life ahead of you.
RIP - T.L. you will be missed

Richmond Review - Two young Richmond men die in Lion's Gate bridge crash (http://www.richmondreview.com/news/181431361.html?c=y&curSection=/&curTitle=BC+News&bc09=true)

"officers on the scene said that based on the extent of the damage, speed was likely a factor."

RIP though

[Phil@rise]

Two people in their 20s lost their lives and I see people worrying about the "bus passengers" that didn't even have any life threatening injuries? Are you serious? Show some gratitude and respect!

You had a long life ahead of you.
RIP - T.L. you will be missed

I dont give idiots gratitude or respect but meh if you respect idiots thats fine I guess. I doesnt say much good for you.
The only tragedy I see here is how their selfish stupid behaviour will forever negatively effect those directly involved (witnesses, paramedics, rescue crews etc) Those are who I respect.
The image of shattered bodies and twisted metal, the screams and moans of pain are with you forever. Those who deal with the aftermath of idiots have to live with that.
I have no respect for idiots.

[Redlines_Daily]

I dont give idiots gratitude or respect but meh if you respect idiots thats fine I guess. I doesnt say much good for you.
The only tragedy I see here is how their selfish stupid behaviour will forever negatively effect those directly involved (witnesses, paramedics, rescue crews etc) Those are who I respect.
The image of shattered bodies and twisted metal, the screams and moans of pain are with you forever. Those who deal with the aftermath of idiots have to live with that.
I have no respect for idiots.

I understand your sentiment, but I really don't think this is the right time for that.

[Phil@rise]

Its life. No need to pussy foot around issues and sugar coat bullshit. People die, its a matter of life but when people die of stupid shit they dont deserve an automatic hero card and demands of respect. That shit pisses me off.

[tgill]

Those new West Van buses just went into service within the last month or so, looks like they did their job protecting the driver. RIP to those involved, but thankful no one else was killed.

[Redlines_Daily]

If we were talking about strangers, then sure open up a discussion about it or create a thread. However, it seems like quite a few of our friends and fellow members knew these guys personally, it's not respectful to them to have this conversation right now in my opinion..I just don't see it as being constructive.

[MindBomber]

Its life. No need to pussy foot around issues and sugar coat bullshit. People die, its a matter of life but when people die of stupid shit they dont deserve an automatic hero card and demands of respect. That shit pisses me off.

Outside of a picture and very basic facts, you know nothing about the conditions of the accident or the people involved. You're denouncing and insulting the deceased, and reiterating that opinion over and over again. You've driven above the speed limit, I've driven above the speed limit, and unfortunately when the deceased drove the above the speed limit they lost traction and a tragic series of events was initiated. The deceased made a simple mistake, one we've all made, that is not sufficient grounds to slander them as you have. Even if it were, this is certainly not the appropriate time or venue to do so. You lack even a modicum of decorum.

If you choose to respond to this post, do it via pm, I will not participate in steering this thread any further from the appropriate direction.

RIP.
A lost life is always a tragedy.

[inv4zn]

^ +1.

Ultimately they were irresponsible and it cost them their lives and endangered many others...I'm sure everyone thinks the same.

But to come out and say it blatantly when you see many people personally affected by it is just as disrespectful and an asshole move as doing it at their funeral.

RIP to the two, and hopefully they impact some drivers enough that they drive a bit more carefully now.

[Shorn]

Its life. No need to pussy foot around issues and sugar coat bullshit. People die, its a matter of life but when people die of stupid shit they dont deserve an automatic hero card and demands of respect. That shit pisses me off.

yes it is life, and obviously the driver made some bad decisions. but wouldn't you say him and the passenger has already paid for their bad decisions enough already?

will you calling them idiots and being disrespectful be constructive in any way?

what if they were your close friends? yeah they were being dumb, but the price was paid with their life already, the most valuable thing anyone can have. how would you feel if you saw strangers saying the things you've said instead of offering condolences?

in the end, lives were lost. there's no need to point fingers and push blame around, because that doesn't matter anymore.


i understand where you're coming from but you sound like a complete dick.

now i'm not saying you have to say any condolences, but if you don't have anything nice to say, might as well just keep your mouth shut and save grieving family and friends more unnecessary grief.

[Phil@rise]

Your right I have sped and still do occasionally much like everyone else.
That is one of the most dangerous bridges in Canada. The speed limit is 50km/h on it. Have I driven 80+km/h on it? Never have never will, its a dangerous place to do so and not just for the sake of property or personal injury or death. There is an extreme probability of collateral damage and or death on this bridge.
The problem here isnt my attitude towards these kids it's the acceptance that shit happens, poor kids attitude. This creates precedence and acceptance towards more of this behavior leading to innocent people dying. A car can be a weapon or it can be personal transportation it all comes down to how you drive it. I believe a pat on the shoulder "I'm sorry your friend died he was a good kid" story is a terrible approach instead we should be reminding everybody just how precious life is and to respect your life but above all those of others. If you cant respect your life or those of others (exactly the case here) why should anyone respect theirs?
Like I said I sympathies for those affected and those who have to live with the decisions of those no longer with us. I do not sympathize for those who brought this upon themselves....... You make your bed you sleep in it!
Hows that for decorum?

[tomatogunk]

I dont give idiots gratitude or respect but meh if you respect idiots thats fine I guess. I doesnt say much good for you.
The only tragedy I see here is how their selfish stupid behaviour will forever negatively effect those directly involved (witnesses, paramedics, rescue crews etc) Those are who I respect.
The image of shattered bodies and twisted metal, the screams and moans of pain are with you forever. Those who deal with the aftermath of idiots have to live with that.
I have no respect for idiots.

"I doesnt say much good for you" either.

Have at least a little bit of decency and respect for the ones who passed. From the sounds of it, you don't even know them personally nor have got a chance to. They are good people, with a lot of things ahead of them in life. They were someones brother, friend and son. I'm pretty sure if the same happened to someone that you know, you wouldn't even dare call them an "idiot."

[wobuffet]

life is a gift, cherish it.

that is all.

[Drow]

^ well said

i feel no sympathy towards them, only to those who were affected by this accident.

[bluejays]

You're doing a great job representing Rise Auto Salon, Phil.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I get that, but you're taking it too far. A lot people knew these individuals and are mourning the loss so have some respect.

[knight604]

Phil, if it was one of your close friends or someone you knew, you would not be running your speaking about the ones that have passed.

Kids will always be kids , responsible or not. It is still someone's children.

I feel bad for the families and friends.

I think you should let people RIP.

[124Y]

RIP. What a tragedy. :(

[Lomac]

While I don't know Phil personally, I've been on here long enough to see most of his posts and you guys shouldn't be surprised at how frank and open he usually is with his comments.

To be fair to him, this is a thread about a news article talking about the accident. It didn't start out as a condolences thread. If this accident happened in a city where the chances of any of us knowing the vitims were minimal, I know exactly how the thread would have gone.

To those of you who knew the victims, you have my genuine condolences. I know what it's like to lose someone before their time and it seriously sucks. It leaves a void that can never be filled.

However, I've also been on the other end of this sort of situation. If any of you guys remember the accidnt involving the Del Sol on Lougheed Hwy a few years back, my girlfriend-at-the-time's grandma was one of the cars the driver had hit. She was trapped in her car, injured, and it took the jaws of life to get her out. I was definitely younger back then, but that incident taught me to look towards the innocent victims involved regardless of if it's a passenger in the car that caused the accident or someone that was hit. The drivers of both the car in my example and the one in the Mz6 very well could have been fantastic individuals. I didn't know either of them, and it's not my place to judge people on a single action. However, when that single action causes an impact such as they both did, don't be surprised if hostility rises up.

[bikerx]

Not that i knew the driver and passenger of the accident.... but i kind of lose respect for a member on the forum...let alone a Sponsor saying things like that....

[Inaii]

RIP

[subordinate]

Really? I don't lose respect at all for anyone who says that. They have their opinion, that's their right.

As Lomac said, what if it were your family members on the flipside? On the bus, and a couple of the passengers were severely injured? Would you still be saying RIP?

Edit:

Any sane individual would understand the risk of their actions. These guys knew it was slick roads and still decided to weave in/out and speed. Bad decisions for sure. And a sadder aftermath.

[JaeF]

You guys can say what you want, and fail my post as many times as you like. The fact is you DO NOT know the two that have died in the crash therefore it is easy for you to say "they deserved it" but I do know them.

Yes they did speed, but speaking about them as if their lives were utter trash that is going too far. There are others that know them and are grieving over their death as I speak and here you are saying No need to pussy foot around issues and sugar coat bullshit. People die That is the most inconsiderate thing I have ever heard someone say to a deceased person. You wouldn't like anyone saying that to people you know that are deceased, so why say it to others?

[inv4zn]

It may just be a difference in personalities, and how much you feel compelled to speak your mind, but there are times when not speaking your mind is more beneficial.

As stupid as the kids' actions were, their lives were lost, and that affects people. If they had killed the bus driver and some passengers, the kids' families and friends would still mourn their deaths, regardless of if they brought it upon themselves.

This shouldn't be a matter of who's guilty and who's innocent, and who feels sympathy for whom.

There was an accident, and 2 lives were lost. Some members on RS knew them personally, and are shaken up about it. To come up to them and blatantly speak your mind to say that their loves ones deserved to die and it's good they didn't take anyone with them is disrespectful, even if correct.

And compound the fact that Phil is representing a business, this seems like a very reasonable situation where not saying anything would have gone much further.

My opinion.

[Phil@rise]

Phil, if it was one of your close friends or someone you knew, you would not be running your speaking about the ones that have passed.

Kids will always be kids , responsible or not. It is still someone's children.

I feel bad for the families and friends.

I think you should let people RIP.

I've felt the pain of death from family and friend. Most recently my father died a year ago from liver failure cause by hepatitis. My dog died three weeks ago from anal sac carcinoma. I cried more for my dog than I did for my father. My father chose to try an inter venous drug he took that risk he chose to disregard life my dog chose nothing.
I'm a hard knocks guy. Its who I am its how I was raised. Life is a gift and all those with it should respect it.
Like I said I feel for those affected not for those who caused it.

[GGnoRE]

Yes they did speed, but speaking about them as if their lives were utter trash that is going too far.

No, you are going too far buddy. No one spoke about them as if their lives were trash. Some people were just pointing to the fact that they have more sympathy towards the people who has to pay for your friend's mistakes.

[Hondaracer]

Never mind

[ThatKoukiKid]

Rest in paradise J&T you will be missed

[JaeF]

No, you are going too far buddy. No one spoke about them as if their lives were trash. Some people were just pointing to the fact that they have more sympathy towards the people who has to pay for your friend's mistakes.

Everyone's interpretation of what people says are different. In my point of view, from what Phil said, it is harsh. However, as everyone stated his character is like that, therefore there is no point in arguing.

[Harvey Specter]

Why don't we keep a thread like this clean for once seeing how a lot of RS members knew the victims...

RIP to the victims.

[LP700-4]

+1 It really sucks having someone you know just pass like that regardless if they were idiots/deserved it or not. Just plain disrespect IMO.

RIP to victims

[Qmx323]

both of them were friends of friends... RIP.

Although this accident was probably avoidable, lives this young shouldn't be lost.

[heleu]

My parents are family friends with the parents of one of the victims and I've met one of the victims once, a long time ago.

All I can say is that this is the time to grieve, not judge; would you really want this thread to come up in a google search and be read by close family and friends?

[StylinRed]

REVSCENE on CBC News


about this case


they made a loose correlation between speeders and this website

[unit]

Never mind

you pretty much stole the words right out of my mouth.

[4444]

If we were talking about strangers, then sure open up a discussion about it or create a thread. However, it seems like quite a few of our friends and fellow members knew these guys personally, it's not respectful to them to have this conversation right now in my opinion..I just don't see it as being constructive.

maybe the fact that people knew them will really push it home how fragile life is, and how one stupid mistake can take it away from you (i could go on here about how fucked up our infrastructure is - like really, a 3 lane bridge with no divider, what are we, living in communist Russia?! - a divider would have saved lives ... but i won't)

sadly these guys won't have a second chance to learn from their mistakes - lets hope it at least saves someone in the future from doing something similar

[Tim Budong]

REVSCENE on CBC News


about this case


they made a loose correlation between speeders and this website

as always....

anyways..

i work with someone who knew them and heard some stuff about this accident... lots of chatter goin around..

My condolences. that is all

[XplicitLuder]

RIP. i know what its like to lose friends that have so much ahead of them, as one got taken away from my life last year on my bday.

I get where phil's coming from, and ya this isnt the place to say it but i do agree with him that i have more sympathy for the affected then those who brought it upon themselves. We all make poor choices, and now i get to witness my friends get torn apart because of a choice their friends did.

Here for you KT, JMC, etc etc. <3

[MrGoodbar]

Lions gate bridge has the most fucking stupid concept of a design I've ever seen. I'm not surprised that an accident of this magnitude happened; the two men drew the short stick and got fucked. No dividers? really? Two lanes with a shared middle lane? that's just fucking stupid. With the growing number of people in the city, the bridge is way over capacity at peak hours.

I remember a video in the shitty/dangerous drivers thread where someone (on this board with a dashcam) had a near miss with some idiot in the middle lane going the wrong way. If their death served anything, I hope it serves to have the egghead ministers of transportation manage the traffic control. That bridge is a serious cluster fuck.

Rest in Peace to the two drivers.

[vafanculo]

I just heard on news 1130 am that this accident sparked the question on whether they should close the middle lane at night
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[MrGoodbar]

Had an extremely close call tonight, heading into downtown via Lions gate. Counter flow lane was opened, the other driver didn't see the red X's and continued to drive into on-coming traffic.

I give huge props to the BMW X3 (right lane) for seeing the situation, and slowing down quickly (as you can see, we were pretty much beside each other) in order for me to avoid the idiot.

5639 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLqvUHKs1Kg)

This video, holy fuck...

[umpadupa]

Rest in Paradise T

[Fappin]

Both guys were a friend of a friend. :l
RIP

[calvin_115]

Your right I have sped and still do occasionally much like everyone else.
That is one of the most dangerous bridges in Canada. The speed limit is 50km/h on it. Have I driven 80+km/h on it? Never have never will, its a dangerous place to do so and not just for the sake of property or personal injury or death. There is an extreme probability of collateral damage and or death on this bridge.
The problem here isnt my attitude towards these kids it's the acceptance that shit happens, poor kids attitude. This creates precedence and acceptance towards more of this behavior leading to innocent people dying. A car can be a weapon or it can be personal transportation it all comes down to how you drive it. I believe a pat on the shoulder "I'm sorry your friend died he was a good kid" story is a terrible approach instead we should be reminding everybody just how precious life is and to respect your life but above all those of others. If you cant respect your life or those of others (exactly the case here) why should anyone respect theirs?
Like I said I sympathies for those affected and those who have to live with the decisions of those no longer with us. I do not sympathize for those who brought this upon themselves....... You make your bed you sleep in it!
Hows that for decorum?

T bought a new car. Who the fuk would not wanna rip it on a new car?

[StylinRed]

T bought a new car. Who the fuk would not wanna rip it on a new car?


wanting to and doing so are 2 different things

doing so responsibly (track etc) and irresponsibly (in the wet on the hwy etc) are 2 different things

[vafanculo]

T bought a new car. Who the fuk would not wanna rip it on a new car?

Those that want to live past a certain age.

I know its tempting. We've all been there. But if you don't make mature decisions, shit like this happens.

Its a shame. I don't think anyone should shit on them for their mistake though.
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[double0seven]

Drive safe everyone!

RIP

[Midnitez]

there's something called if it doesn't sound nice keep it to yourself

some ppl aren't fortunate to make a mistake n live to learn from it, if you haven't pushed beyond ur limits in life you probably haven't really lived....

so ppl jumping outta planes n hoping the parachute will land them safely are stupid? u can go 10 above the speed limit n possibly hit someone crossing the road becuz you slept 1 hour less one day?

RIP to these two kids I don't think i've met that weren't lucky enough to be given a chance to realize their mistakes.... hope it reminds others that've known them to slow down and or test their cars elsewhere....

definitely not a good time, place, or condition to be excessively speeding when ur tires are prolly having trouble to warm up in cold/wet weather

[Drow]

sigh... even though i didnt know them directly this has gotten me in the slumps the whole day. Though i usually drive safe most of the time, I admit I am still guilty of some really dumb driving habits every now and then. Especially late at night when you think no one else is on the road... the lesson learnt is "you never know"

now i feel like a fucking retard for ever driving like a retard

[twitchyzero]

so ppl jumping outta planes n hoping the parachute will land them safely are stupid?

not sure if srs comparison :suspicious:
How are skydivers endangering the lives of others?

[dlo]

I dont give idiots gratitude or respect but meh if you respect idiots thats fine I guess. I doesnt say much good for you.
The only tragedy I see here is how their selfish stupid behaviour will forever negatively effect those directly involved (witnesses, paramedics, rescue crews etc) Those are who I respect.
The image of shattered bodies and twisted metal, the screams and moans of pain are with you forever. Those who deal with the aftermath of idiots have to live with that.
I have no respect for idiots.

callin the deceased idiots because of 1 mistake that costed em their life? really? you cannot called em on their "selfish stupid behaviour" because of this. its not like they PURPOSEDLY crashed to fuck with everyone's physical, mental and emotional state. It sucks that they died but its a big mistake and they paid the price. I don't understand why you would come into this thread and call their actions stupid and call them idiots in the end.. if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all, and i know you wouldnt give a rat's ass, but i for sure will never go to rise auto now because of ur remarks, get some public relation tips online or some shit, you look like a real jackass now and for friends and friends on RS and wherever that know em, you got my full support if you need to talk or anything im here for ya, ive lost many friends over the years and i know how painful it is, keep ya head up guys

[Bouncing Bettys]

This thread can't decide if it wants to be a condolences thread or a discussuion/opinion thread. Unfortunate and understandible that people can't express themselves fully without getting personal because so many on this site eem to know the two who died.

I'm all about second chances, especially when you're that age. Unfortunately some don't get to learn from their mistakes.

Would anyone happen to have a link or video of CBC mentioning RS in reguards to this story? I don't have cable and couldn't find anything at their site.

[twitchyzero]

To be fair to him, this is a thread about a news article talking about the accident. It didn't start out as a condolences thread. If this accident happened in a city where the chances of any of us knowing the vitims were minimal, I know exactly how the thread would have gone.


If that's the case...

let people post locals in the non-JB threads:ilied:

[pastarocket]

RIP. :cry:

[Midnitez]

not sure if srs comparison :suspicious:
How are skydivers endangering the lives of others?

it doesn't unless shit goes wrong is my point

wut if it wasn't speed but just hard enough acceleration n black ice?

only idiot i see is the one representing his auto salon n acting like he knows it all

my 1.4L car can break traction accelerating in 2nd at 30km/h n so can my bike, so i'm an idiot now? good luck w/ sales LOL...

[Gridlock]

Lions gate bridge has the most fucking stupid concept of a design I've ever seen. I'm not surprised that an accident of this magnitude happened; the two men drew the short stick and got fucked. No dividers? really? Two lanes with a shared middle lane? that's just fucking stupid. With the growing number of people in the city, the bridge is way over capacity at peak hours.

I remember a video in the shitty/dangerous drivers thread where someone (on this board with a dashcam) had a near miss with some idiot in the middle lane going the wrong way. If their death served anything, I hope it serves to have the egghead ministers of transportation manage the traffic control. That bridge is a serious cluster fuck.

Rest in Peace to the two drivers.

I do agree with all the above. I do.

I'd also like to say: A) If you don't feel comfortable driving it, then don't and B) Slow the fuck down!

Seriously...are you in such a hurry that you can't do 50 over the Lion's Gate bridge? I take the Patullo all the time and get in the right lane and cruise along at a normal speed. We can't replace every single bridge we have, at once with 6 lane bridges. The bill at the end would be astronomical. So maybe we need to do our part, and realize that being in a constant hurry all the time isn't always the answer.

I see people every day putting others at risk so they can do 70 in a 50, whipping around people in traffic so everyone else needs to slow down so they can get home faster.

[LSF22]

RIP to the 2 drivers. Hope this makes everyone realize and always think about your actions and the consequences they might have, not just for you yourself, but for your family and everyone around you too.




Would anyone happen to have a link or video of CBC mentioning RS in reguards to this story? I don't have cable and couldn't find anything at their site.

Just after the 1:00 mark

Shows - CBC Player (http://www.cbc.ca/video/watch/News/ID=2311211747)


Whole news article

High speed a factor in Lions Gate Bridge crash - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/11/29/bc-lions-gate-crash.html)

[swfk]

^Seems like CBC just made RS sound like some street racing site

[Midnitez]

^not really... but Phil's auto salon got pretty famous

[twitchyzero]

^Seems like CBC just made RS sound like some street racing site

xTc_6o4 with baby blue s2000 with spoon calipers to blame

[GabAlmighty]

^Seems like CBC just made RS sound like some street racing site

Because they said sport car?

[StylinRed]

Because they said sport car?

because they spoke of speeding and bam segue to revscene

its a light insinuation but its there

[Recon604]

CBC reporters registered on the site!? now show urself

[Lomac]

because they spoke of speeding and bam segue to revscene

its a light insinuation but its there

The segue was definitely a little awkward and seemed to vaguely hint at "speeding" and "sport car site" as being one and the same. Or it could have been poor writing.

But hey... any publicity is good publicity... right? :concentrate::badpokerface:

[4444]

RIP to the 2 drivers. Hope this makes everyone realize and always think about your actions and the consequences they might have, not just for you yourself, but for your family and everyone around you too.




Just after the 1:00 mark

Shows - CBC Player (http://www.cbc.ca/video/watch/News/ID=2311211747)


Whole news article

High speed a factor in Lions Gate Bridge crash - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/11/29/bc-lions-gate-crash.html)

probably not the most opportune time to say this, BUT...

i HATE the local media and police - ALWAYS first thing they say is 'speed was likely a factor'

it's not speed, in and of itself, that's at fault here - the BS infrastructure and general lack of driver education prior to getting a full licence (an N is effectively a full licence - as in you don't have to drive with a parent)

look around the world, bigger, better, newer roads/bridges, etc. create safer driving conditions, irrelevant of speed

now, an idiot going way faster than traffic - yes, that's stupid, and that is speed, but here, you can be going 65mph on a multiple lane, non residential road, and you'll be deemed a 'danger' and were 'excessively speeding'

it's usually lack of experience, over excitement and too powerful of a car combined that creates a dangerous situation, such as this - but saying 'the bridge was wet' is BS, modern cars and modern tires can handle 80, 100 kpmh on a straight wet road - so it was likely poor driving and lack of experience that caused this tragic accident.

I certainly hope attitudes change in this city away from individual drivers being the 'fault' (although we shouldn't take away personal fault) - and start concentrating on improving road safety through better education and infrastructure

i'm sure i'll get failed by retards on here who think what i'm saying is insensitive, i'm not commenting on this case or these recently deceased, it's a general comment and we could all benefit from improvements to roads and driver skills

[Excelsis]

some ppl aren't fortunate to make a mistake n live to learn from it



don't worry they learned

[dlo]

don't worry they learned


holy fuck alpha, the shit you spewed out, str8 fuck boy shit, stop being a fake bitch with ur peace and unity shit, show ur true colours

[Akinari]

I think everyone in this thread really needs to take a

http://theicarusproject.net/files/images/chill_pill.preview.jpg

[Great68]

Lions gate bridge has the most fucking stupid concept of a design I've ever seen. I'm not surprised that an accident of this magnitude happened; the two men drew the short stick and got fucked. No dividers? really? Two lanes with a shared middle lane? that's just fucking stupid. With the growing number of people in the city, the bridge is way over capacity at peak hours.

I remember a video in the shitty/dangerous drivers thread where someone (on this board with a dashcam) had a near miss with some idiot in the middle lane going the wrong way. If their death served anything, I hope it serves to have the egghead ministers of transportation manage the traffic control. That bridge is a serious cluster fuck.

Rest in Peace to the two drivers.

The Lions Gate bridge was built in 1938. Yeah it's over capacity now, you want to pay for a replacement? Look at how many people bitch about tolling the port mann.

There's one way to significantly reduce the risk on that bridge, and that's to slow the fuck down while on it.

[Great68]

T bought a new car. Who the fuk would not wanna rip it on a new car?

Then go out to the middle of buttfuck nowhere to rip it. Not a busy, undivided 3-lane fucking bridge.

[j.f0ng]

I think everyone in this thread really needs to take a

http://theicarusproject.net/files/images/chill_pill.preview.jpg

Or simply not say anything if they don't have anything nice to say. The amount of disrespect in this thread is unbelievable..especially with a lot of RS members knowing these guys. They lost their lives, they paid for their actions. I don't know the two guys in the car, but my facebook and twitter feed have been blowing up with messages to the two of them.

RIP gentlemen.

[Yodamaster]

It seems as though these guys meant a lot to some people here, it's a shame that one of the causes was excessive speeding, rip all the same.

[TOS'd]

rip

[4444]

The Lions Gate bridge was built in 1938. Yeah it's over capacity now, you want to pay for a replacement? Look at how many people bitch about tolling the port mann.

There's one way to significantly reduce the risk on that bridge, and that's to slow the fuck down while on it.

people bitch about tolling the port mann because it should never be tolled - our tax dollars should be going towards projects like this, not stupid bike lanes and other hippy bullshit.

there are certain things that government revenue (taxes) should go to - infrastructure (roads), schools, hospitals, fire, police

only after they're all done, do we waste it on stupid green initiatives (which i don't entirely disagree with, but we haven't covered our initial bases yet, that's why i find them stupid)

[anti_rice]

For people who think the lions gate bridge is dangerous need to realize its not the bridge but the drivers who make it dangerous. There's clearly marked speed zones and "x"s every 100 or so meters. Don't blame the bridge. Blame the ones who cause accidents.
Like the saying goes. Guns aren't dangerous, people with guns are.
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[knight604]

Whenever i drive on the Lions gate bridge, i feel pretty safe. Everything is all bright and i can see so far as apose to knight bridge..

RICHMOND :fuckthatshit:

[Marco911]

I just heard on news 1130 am that this accident sparked the question on whether they should close the middle lane at night
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That's all we need. A stupid knee jerk reaction to a couple of deaths that affects life for the rest of us.

[broken_arrow]

That's all we need. A stupid knee jerk reaction to a couple of deaths that affects life for the rest of us.

That's exactly how the 50 over law in Ontario came about (major accident involving speeding). I am sure the city planned on doing this for a while now, they were just looking for a triggering event..

[One&OnlypOst]

I've read through this thread and have two things to say...

1. RIP and condolences

2. Everybody who has been replying these two got what they deserved for speeding are complete idiots. Especially you, Phil@Rise. You're a fu@#ing moron and I hope you lose a lot of business. The passenger was just that, a passenger. They were solely a victim of the driver's error in judgement, re-read what you wrote and think about it a$$hole.

Just a thought, Phil@Rise and the rest of you, try thinking before you post sh*t like that you stupid fu@#s.

[Marco911]

I do agree with all the above. I do.

I'd also like to say: A) If you don't feel comfortable driving it, then don't and B) Slow the fuck down!

Seriously...are you in such a hurry that you can't do 50 over the Lion's Gate bridge? I take the Patullo all the time and get in the right lane and cruise along at a normal speed. We can't replace every single bridge we have, at once with 6 lane bridges. The bill at the end would be astronomical. So maybe we need to do our part, and realize that being in a constant hurry all the time isn't always the answer.

I see people every day putting others at risk so they can do 70 in a 50, whipping around people in traffic so everyone else needs to slow down so they can get home faster.

Since when is the speed limit on LGB 50 km/h? It is 70 km/h. Barring a day with poor conditions, if you feel scared driving the speed limit, perhaps transit is a better choice. If traffic is moving faster than the speed limit, and you are holding up traffic because it is only one lane in your direction and you feel compelled to drive at or below the speed limit with a long line of cars tailgating you, perhaps transit is a better choice.

I love the LGB. I don't think it is dangerous at all. The curves are gentle, and you have to be alert to stay in your lane or risk death. That's right - You actually have to be alert when you drive - what a concept. The people that think that roads need to be idiot proofed, are well, idiots.

The problem is that kids, with their feeling of invulnerability get handed a license when they don't have the first fucking clue about vehicle control or what their vehicle is telling them about road conditions.

On that section of the bridge (I don't see any corners), to lose control would take someone who was either distracted (txt messaging, facebook alerts), or driving with bald tires and hydroplaning. Cars do not just leave their lane of travel on a straight section just because you happen to be going 30 or 40 km/h above the posted speed limit.

[4444]

For people who think the lions gate bridge is dangerous need to realize its not the bridge but the drivers who make it dangerous. There's clearly marked speed zones and "x"s every 100 or so meters. Don't blame the bridge. Blame the ones who cause accidents.
Like the saying goes. Guns aren't dangerous, people with guns are.
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A fine point - but let's eliminate the risk of crossing the centre, put in a guard rail that will prevent 99% of any crossings, we can't do that with an aged 3 lane bridge that is 20 yrs past replacement

[subordinate]

The passenger always has a say...

When my friend drives too fast or makes dumb decisions, I'll be vocal.....

[ilvtofu]

While I agree with some of the things Phil has said, IMO it's a matter of decorum, with many mourning the loss and the bodies not even in the ground yet, it's not an appropriate time to voice that kind of opinion. Sugar-coating and speaking to soon are two different things.

Heck, even ASR hasn't shamelessly plugged dash cams yet :troll:

[lolersk8ter]

Ironically, when I met Tom for the first and only time, I witnessed him getting in a car crash.

We were on our way to #9 from pop opera. I was driving my car, he was designated driver of my drunk friend's car. Getting into Richmond, he was following me. I noticed an oncoming car running into our side of traffic—we were driving on center lane. I braked hard, Tom avoided me passing on the right lane. At the same time, the oncoming car turned to our right lane, crashing into him.

In the short time that I got to know him, he was definitely a cool & good guy.

[imp_squared]

my random 2 cents.

RIP.

Condolences to the family, friends, and all the people involved.

Lastly: When you post something on a INTERNET forum be ready to receive all opinions!! No matter how harsh or how nice the post is. It is the Internet!!

[Marco911]

A fine point - but let's eliminate the risk of crossing the centre, put in a guard rail that will prevent 99% of any crossings, we can't do that with an aged 3 lane bridge that is 20 yrs past replacement

Why the hell would we need guardrails between lanes? That makes the lanes much narrower, and you wouldn't be able to change lanes if you needed to pass some slow poke cruising along at 50. Further, if a car were to break down, it would cause chaos for the vehicles behind that are not able to pass the stranded vehcile.

[4444]

Why the hell would we need guardrails between lanes? That makes the lanes much narrower, and you wouldn't be able to change lanes if you needed to pass some slow poke cruising along at 50. Further, if a car were to break down, it would cause chaos for the vehicles behind that are not able to pass the stranded vehcile.

i'm not being literal, i don't mean you'd put a guard rail on some mickey mouse 3 lane POS like the lion's gate, i'm saying build a proper 3 lane each way (personally, should be 4/5 lanes each way to be good for the next 40 years) and have a large guard rail splitting the directions

guard railing the crap we have right now wouldn't work due to the counter flow lane usage

[imp_squared]

i'm not being literal, i don't mean you'd put a guard rail on some mickey mouse 3 lane POS like the lion's gate, i'm saying build a proper 3 lane each way (personally, should be 4/5 lanes each way to be good for the next 40 years) and have a large guard rail splitting the directions

guard railing the crap we have right now wouldn't work due to the counter flow lane usage

lol.. I bet the city would love to do that.. first they need to make fake money to pay for it!!

[Marco911]

This is a forum where people are meant to voice OPINIONs that is meant to further our mutual understanding of the issues involved. Replying with only "RIP" does not add any value to the thread and is the intellectual equivalent of spamming. If you want to post condolences to the deceased, send a card with flowers to the funeral or post a MEANINGFUL message on their fb wall with thoughts and memories of the deceased.

[boostfever]

they need to make it 4 lane and put guardrails then.

i am on that bridge almost everyday and feel safe even driving in the center lane. the pavement is awesome, visibility is ok and lighting is excellent. very unfortunate to hear about the incident. locals (north shore people) drive considerately on the bridge most of the time and west van cops are usually out and about the bridge.

[Marco911]

i'm not being literal, i don't mean you'd put a guard rail on some mickey mouse 3 lane POS like the lion's gate, i'm saying build a proper 3 lane each way (personally, should be 4/5 lanes each way to be good for the next 40 years) and have a large guard rail splitting the directions

guard railing the crap we have right now wouldn't work due to the counter flow lane usage

I'm actually a long time North Shore resident, and when I first started driving the LGB, the bridge and causeway were way narrower, the road surface was a rough concrete mix rather than asphalt and the speed limit was 60 km/h. Traffic mostly moved at a crawl.

One of the main reasons of looking for a better solution than LGB was due to congestion. Like you, many people wanted more lanes. In the end, the government went the least costly route and refurbished the bridge with the same 3 lanes albeit wider. Everyone thought it was ridiculous at the time that we were spending a lot of money but ending up with the same 3 lane bridge. Along the way a strange thing happened. Congestion actually DECREASED markedly though there are more vehicles that use the LGB than ever.

The reasons is because the bridge became wider, the causeway was paved, and people felt safer to drive FASTER. Hell, they even increased the speed limit by 10 km/h but most people drive 80 or 90. That increased the 'flow' rate through the bridge thus reducing congestion significantly. We also saved having to buy a whole new bridge with 6 lanes as you suggest and having to pay for it by tolling residents.

All the people who are calling for driving at slower speeds (and holding everyone behind them back) are affecting the efficiency of this wonderful crossing. If you cannot keep up with the flow of bridge traffic, take the 2nd narrows or the Seabus or something. Closing the middle lane at night only means that the maximum speed/flow rate on the bridge will never be faster than the slowest vehicle on the bridge at any given time. This is a terrible solution.

[Akinari]

The Lions Gate Bridge is no more dangerous than any other bridges, even tunnels we have in the GVRD.

To be honest, I actually feel safer driving on the LGB than in the Massey Tunnel. I've seen and heard too many horror stories centered around the Massey Tunnel to drive recklessly around that area. A family friend of mine knows an individual who miraculously (not really, because Volvo XC90 :badpokerface:) made it out alive from a serious head-on collision inside the Massey Tunnel. After hearing about that incident, I no longer drive on the counterflow lanes, regardless of whether or not it is rush hour. I'd rather spend an extra 10-15 minutes on the road than put my life on the line. The entire stretch of Hwy 99 Northbound from the border to just before the tunnel is also pretty much devoid of police presence 24/7/365, so it's pretty common to see people not bothering to slow down after entering the tunnel area, blasting through at ridiculous speeds and changing lanes in the tunnel weaving in and out of traffic like a madman.

Strangely enough, I feel very calm while driving on the LGB compared to the crowded Alex Fraser and the horrifying Patullo. It's definitely the drivers that make a particular roadway dangerous, NOT the road itself.

Though, the Patullo is pretty damn stressful to drive on :fuckthatshit:

EDIT: I will say however, there's ALWAYS ALWAYS this one idiot who hogs up the left lane in the tunnel going 65-70km/h and is NOT exiting the highway after coming out of the tunnel, just gets my blood boiling.

[Verdasco]

i can not be the only one thinking about final destination ....... except hte bridge did not collapse lol

[noclue]

Does ICBC cover accidents like this? I know they deny it if the driver was under the influence but this was reckless driving. Cause whoever owns that car is going to get a huge lawsuit.

Scared for the registered owner (most likely parents)of the car if the coroner finds alcohol or drugs in the toxicology test.... Last thing they need while mourning is to get hounded by a lawyer.

[Roach]

RIP.

Having a tough time sleeping tonight thinking a couple of 20-21 year-olds lost their lives due to a mistake.

Perhaps it's so tangible because I went through that phase in my life. Luckily I lived through it.

Somewhere there's a mom, dad, bro/sis and countless friends who are sleepless too left with only memories.

Be safe dudes. Don't leave a wake of loss by making a poor decision.

Kev

[k3mps]

met TL and hung with him 2/3 years back, great guy.
lots of mutual friends....
RIP both

[felixy69]

T just bought the car monday, he even asked me if this was a good buy....i said Yeah $6900, low km, dealer, 6 months warranty sounds like a good deal....go for it..N..i woke up this morning and c this .....fuk....!!

[TypeRNammer]

Larry Chu is making smart ass remarks about this incident

Spoilered because Larry Chu :facepalm:


http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/47283_10151343171383760_505492971_n.jpg

[twitchyzero]

^ what a guy...it's a miracle he didnt' total his car yet...though that snow thread a few years back with pics of his smashed car was interesting

It is 70 km/h. Barring a day with poor conditions, if you feel scared driving the speed limit, perhaps transit is a better choice. If traffic is moving faster than the speed limit, and you are holding up traffic because it is only one lane in your direction and you feel compelled to drive at or below the speed limit with a long line of cars tailgating you, perhaps transit is a better choice.

I love the LGB. I don't think it is dangerous at all. The curves are gentle, and you have to be alert to stay in your lane or risk death. That's right - You actually have to be alert when you drive - what a concept. The people that think that roads need to be idiot proofed, are well, idiots.

speed limit is what it implies...A LIMIT...especially if the weather conditions are poor then yes I'll drive at a speed that I feel I can have good control of the car. Traffic is a part of life and if it means everyone getting to their destination in one piece...too bad you should've left work 5-10 minutes earlier if you knew the weather sucks/gonna be travelling on a one lane street.

Why waste tax dollars on curve signs on the sea-to-sky...why put rumble strips on highway to prevent people from dozing off etc

We don't live in a perfect world. Not everyone knows the limit of their cars and not everyone has a reaction time of a teenager. Not everyone knows how to correct their steering when traction goes to shit. SHIT HAPPENS. and could happen even to the best of us.

Please watch the video posted a few pages back...a member almost got into a head-on collision because yes, people do make stupid mistakes that can cost lives.

[NBHD]

life is fragile..RIP

[TRDood]

Hard about this last night driving home at 2ish.

Lions Gate is pretty confusing during counterflow switches. Just like Massy Tunnel.

Sad to see this accident took 2 lives and the witnesses (especially the bus driver) have to live through the memories. The driver took his friend's life. No further comments for the driver.
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[TRDood]

Interesting... :suspicious:

City of Richmond BC - RCMP News Releases (http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/printpages/page9707.htm)

If the article referenced Jowin Lau is the same person. And he is a drug trafficker... Well :fuckthatshit:
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[J.C]

yeah should be him
he was 18 at the time (dec 2009) and now is 2012 so 21.

[canali]

a poorly thought out comment below by NBPTL6o4;8094346

this is the same lame, bs argument used, for example, by an impaired or drunk driver who kills someone:
''hey i might have been impaired...but i didn't mean to purposely
slam into that car/persons, kill them and also their destroy their surviving family''
or it's used also by someone who texts and/or calls on their cell phone
when driving distracted and kills or hurts someone
:failed:

having no INTENT is no excuse for GROSS NEGLIGENCE in a court of law.
(btw, some groups, e.g, 'families for justice' are even seeking penalty
upgrades to 'vehicular manslaughter'
for particular driving fatalities caused by neglectful drivers)

ever heard of making responsible choices before you get behind the wheel, dude?

so yeah imo any actions that endanger the lives of others on the road by your impaired or drunk driving,
or distracted driving (texting, cell calling)or speeding (or being negligent) ARE just that:
stupid, selfish and irresponsible.

save it for the track or your video games

you're in charge of a 2000-3000 lb fast moving car among many other cars
(with many drivers, some of whom are new...or are distracted...or are just plain bad drivers)
so if you're distracted or negligent your car can so quickly become a killing machine.

and now these two young guys have had their lives tragically snuffed out...
and their surviving family members (and friends) are gutted with grief.

btw...just heard over the news some alarming new stats which show that the
most distracted drivers are now teens and young 20 somethings ...
and the main culprit? not only texting but also checking in and updating their
facebook status on their smartphhones, when behind the wheel
...can you fucking believe it?

lastly, the deceased have been identified:
http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2012/11/29/lions-gate-accident-victims-identified
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QUOTE=NBPTL6o4;8094346]callin the deceased idiots because of 1 mistake that costed em their life? really? you cannot called em on their "selfish stupid behaviour" because of this. its not like they PURPOSEDLY crashed to fuck with everyone's physical, mental and emotional state. It sucks that they died but its a big mistake and they paid the price. I don't understand why you would come into this thread and call their actions stupid and call them idiots in the end.. if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all, and i know you wouldnt give a rat's ass, but i for sure will never go to rise auto now because of ur remarks, get some public relation tips online or some shit, you look like a real jackass now and for friends and friends on RS and wherever that know em, you got my full support if you need to talk or anything im here for ya, ive lost many friends over the years and i know how painful it is, keep ya head up guys[/QUOTE]

[GabAlmighty]

Good thread, would definitely read again.

[StylinRed]

Interesting... :suspicious:

City of Richmond BC - RCMP News Releases (http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/printpages/page9707.htm)

If the article referenced Jowin Lau is the same person. And he is a drug trafficker... Well :fuckthatshit:
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so these guys were drug dealers? :crazy2:

[4444]

I'm actually a long time North Shore resident, and when I first started driving the LGB, the bridge and causeway were way narrower, the road surface was a rough concrete mix rather than asphalt and the speed limit was 60 km/h. Traffic mostly moved at a crawl.

One of the main reasons of looking for a better solution than LGB was due to congestion. Like you, many people wanted more lanes. In the end, the government went the least costly route and refurbished the bridge with the same 3 lanes albeit wider. Everyone thought it was ridiculous at the time that we were spending a lot of money but ending up with the same 3 lane bridge. Along the way a strange thing happened. Congestion actually DECREASED markedly though there are more vehicles that use the LGB than ever.

The reasons is because the bridge became wider, the causeway was paved, and people felt safer to drive FASTER. Hell, they even increased the speed limit by 10 km/h but most people drive 80 or 90. That increased the 'flow' rate through the bridge thus reducing congestion significantly. We also saved having to buy a whole new bridge with 6 lanes as you suggest and having to pay for it by tolling residents.

All the people who are calling for driving at slower speeds (and holding everyone behind them back) are affecting the efficiency of this wonderful crossing. If you cannot keep up with the flow of bridge traffic, take the 2nd narrows or the Seabus or something. Closing the middle lane at night only means that the maximum speed/flow rate on the bridge will never be faster than the slowest vehicle on the bridge at any given time. This is a terrible solution.

Improvements are great, but we should have better, if we truly are a world class city

And traffic flow may be better, but sitting on Georgia or by park royal for 30-40 mins waiting for traffic to crawl along isn't good enough when it's because of a split 3 lane bridge, especially for the number of north shore residents

I'm not sure why I'm the only one who wants better for this shit whole of a city, maybe it's the English in me - mind you, watch what that did to my country, we fucked that one up real good

[H.Specter]

WE ON TV.

[gdoh]

WE ON TV.

?

[Phil@rise]

I see the majority of you understand or see the point I'm trying to convey and a good portion of you question my timing as a matter of respect decorum etc.
When is a good time to have a hard nosed approach on the subject? In a week or two when people have calmed down almost forgotten and the bodys are in the ground?
Some of you may think that a better approach but the best way to make an impact and in this case get these guys to slow down is to shock them with reality while its fresh, very fresh.
Its very apparent to me after reading this whole thread just how many associate and make what they believe valid excuses for this type of disregard for personal and public safety. "Its a new car rip it up" or "its a new car they handle well". Hence my approach.
If my asshole bluntness can get thru to one person then I've done my due diligence. I think I've gotten thru to a few more then one.
These two were idiots for endangering the lives of dozens of people. The fact they payed the ultimate price does not change that fact.

[canali]

i say go to 'best gore' and look at the automobile thread for carnage.
...we need more of those sorts of high shock value pics to really drive home what reckless driving can bring about...
(too bad the news services' pics are so sanitized in what is shown...and I understand why of course, due to respect for the families...but...)

then show the emotional devastation of the surviving families and their heartbreak to really bring the message home.

.I see the majority of you understand or see the point I'm trying to convey and a good portion of you question my timing as a matter of respect decorum etc.
When is a good time to have a hard nosed approach on the subject? In a week or two when people have calmed down almost forgotten and the bodys are in the ground?
Some of you may think that a better approach but the best way to make an impact and in this case get these guys to slow down is to shock them with reality while its fresh, very fresh.
Its very apparent to me after reading this whole thread just how many associate and make what they believe valid excuses for this type of disregard for personal and public safety. "Its a new car rip it up" or "its a new car they handle well". Hence my approach.
If my asshole bluntness can get thru to one person then I've done my due diligence. I think I've gotten thru to a few more then one.
These two were idiots for endangering the lives of dozens of people. The fact they payed the ultimate price does not change that fact.

[gdoh]

i dont know if that will work ive seen a lot of gore and its just one of those things that is in the back of your head but never think it will happen to you. i think it is just a matter of growing up and realizing the danger of your actions, but for most its just to late before it happens

[canali]

reluctantly agree, to some extent, which is sad.

when you're young you think (naively) that you're invincible.

i dont know if that will work ive seen a lot of gore and its just one of those things that is in the back of your head but never think it will happen to you. i think it is just a matter of growing up and realizing the danger of your actions, but for most its just to late before it happens

[Mining]

R.I.P ..... im going to miss the old days with you. We are bringing the gang back together for old times sake in remembrance, hope you are watching over us.

[westopher]

Hard about this last night driving home at 2ish.

Lions Gate is pretty confusing during counterflow switches. Just like Massy Tunnel.

Sad to see this accident took 2 lives and the witnesses (especially the bus driver) have to live through the memories. The driver took his friend's life. No further comments for the driver.
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There is nothing confusing about it. Green means drive in that lane, yellow means get the fuck over, things are switching, flashing red means really get the fuck over right now, and red means stay the fuck out of this lane. Its the simplest concept in driving, and anyone who thinks its confusing shouldn't drive. Sorry to hear about the people involved. Its a stupid way to go, and thankfully more serious injuries and deaths weren't caused by such a massive collision.

[4444]

There is nothing confusing about it. Green means drive in that lane, yellow means get the fuck over, things are switching, flashing red means really get the fuck over right now, and red means stay the fuck out of this lane. Its the simplest concept in driving, and anyone who thinks its confusing shouldn't drive. Sorry to hear about the people involved. Its a stupid way to go, and thankfully more serious injuries and deaths weren't caused by such a massive collision.

you do realize we live in vancouver, where drivers are FUCKING RETARDS, so from that perspective, i think the majority of vancouverites find it complex...

red, green... what is this, traffic signals.... oh wait...

[Tim Budong]

im really curious to know what the hell happened...
since the fucking bridge is a trainwreck and something like this is bound to happen and it has happened.

[canali]

darthchilli, this tragedy has been in the news the last few days....see any of the local papers.
richmond now, van sun, province.

but don't blame it on the bridge ....

westopher is bang on.
"There is nothing confusing about it. Green means drive in that lane, yellow means get the fuck over, things are switching, flashing red means really get the fuck over right now, and red means stay the fuck out of this lane. Its the simplest concept in driving, and anyone who thinks its confusing shouldn't drive. Sorry to hear about the people involved. Its a stupid way to go, and thankfully more serious injuries and deaths weren't caused by such a massive collision."

im really curious to know what the hell happened...
since the fucking bridge is a trainwreck and something like this is bound to happen and it has happened.

[SumAznGuy]

darthchilli, it's in the news the last few days....do google search

I think he means what exactly happened. How did they spin out when they should have been going in a straight line across the bridge.

[XplicitLuder]

Most likely hydroplaned?

And aren't they still trying to figure out if DUI had anything to do wit it? Been at work and dunno if they said it yet.
Considering I see a couple of "can't believe we just blazed" comments on my fb , maybe they were under the influence?
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[vafanculo]

How is that bridge a train wreck waiting to happen? Unless it was due to a human error where there was green lights facing both N/S bound, driving on that bridge is no different than driving on a highway.

Seriously. It's no ones fault but the driver of the car. They aren't lying when they say speed kills. Imagine if he was driving the speed limit.. My money is on that this thread wouldn't have been created.

I'm just glad it was a bus he slammed into, and not a van carrying a family.
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[snails]

SUV Hydroplane Wreck Caught on Tape Part 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Gkq6omn741A#t=45s)

simple video of hydroplaning

[Tim Budong]

darthchilli, this tragedy has been in the news the last few days....see any of the local papers.
richmond now, van sun, province.

but don't blame it on the bridge ....

westopher is bang on.
"There is nothing confusing about it. Green means drive in that lane, yellow means get the fuck over, things are switching, flashing red means really get the fuck over right now, and red means stay the fuck out of this lane. Its the simplest concept in driving, and anyone who thinks its confusing shouldn't drive. Sorry to hear about the people involved. Its a stupid way to go, and thankfully more serious injuries and deaths weren't caused by such a massive collision."

i know what happened, i live by the bridge and i work with someone that knows them

Im curious what happens to the middle lane at night.

[subordinate]

I'm putting my money on that, this wasn't the only time they were driving under the influence. The driver was living on the edge IMO. Unfortunately, this was only a matter of time.

[anti_rice]

just want to add one more thing regarding the bridge and people wanting 'barriers'. The bridge is 50km/h just like any regular road in Greater Vancouver. There's no barriers on regular roads so why does a bridge need one? I just hate how drivers think as soon as they get onto a bridge the speed limit increases by 30km when in actuality it doesn't. Look at Oak st bridge. It's 60km/h, but when you get on it drivers automatically speed up to 80km+. This goes for all bridges in the lowermainland. Drivers need to treat a bridge just like a regular road. Are people afraid the bridge will collapse behind them if they don't get over fast enough?

[vafanculo]

just want to add one more thing regarding the bridge and people wanting 'barriers'. The bridge is 50km/h just like any regular road in Greater Vancouver. There's no barriers on regular roads so why does a bridge need one? I just hate how drivers think as soon as they get onto a bridge the speed limit increases by 30km when in actuality it doesn't. Look at Oak st bridge. It's 60km/h, but when you get on it drivers automatically speed up to 80km+. This goes for all bridges in the lowermainland. Drivers need to treat a bridge just like a regular road. Are people afraid the bridge will collapse behind them if they don't get over fast enough?

Its because they know there's no room for a speedtrap mid bridge
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[4444]

just want to add one more thing regarding the bridge and people wanting 'barriers'. The bridge is 50km/h just like any regular road in Greater Vancouver. There's no barriers on regular roads so why does a bridge need one? I just hate how drivers think as soon as they get onto a bridge the speed limit increases by 30km when in actuality it doesn't. Look at Oak st bridge. It's 60km/h, but when you get on it drivers automatically speed up to 80km+. This goes for all bridges in the lowermainland. Drivers need to treat a bridge just like a regular road. Are people afraid the bridge will collapse behind them if they don't get over fast enough?

but it's not a regular road, regular roads have traffic lights and intersections, the lions gate is an extremely straight road with no stops in it, so 80km/h is a totally reasonable speed to go over it at

80km/h is only 50mph for fuck's sake - hardly high speed (consider that the rest of the world drives at 50mph on many non motorway roads)

[InvisibleSoul]

Those new West Van buses just went into service within the last month or so, looks like they did their job protecting the driver. RIP to those involved, but thankful no one else was killed.
I think probably even if it was a 1960's bus, the bus driver would be fine.

[inv4zn]

^I'm pretty sure any vehicle from the 1960's would not be ok.

Vw Bus Crash Test - YouTube

[imp_squared]

but it's not a regular road, regular roads have traffic lights and intersections, the lions gate is an extremely straight road with no stops in it, so 80km/h is a totally reasonable speed to go over it at

80km/h is only 50mph for fuck's sake - hardly high speed (consider that the rest of the world drives at 50mph on many non motorway roads)

you are an idiot!! It is not how fast you can go on the road. It is the amount of time and distance needed to stop your car going at 80km/h!!

Stopping distances for cars - Road Safety Authority Rules of the Road (http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/speed-limits/speed-limits_stopping-distances-cars.html)

[twitchyzero]

Interesting... :suspicious:

City of Richmond BC - RCMP News Releases (http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/printpages/page9707.htm)

If the article referenced Jowin Lau is the same person. And he is a drug trafficker... Well :fuckthatshit:
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yeah should be him
he was 18 at the time (dec 2009) and now is 2012 so 21.

RIP Skinny Pete & Badger

[InvisibleSoul]

^I'm pretty sure any vehicle from the 1960's would not be ok.

Vw Bus Crash Test - YouTube (http://youtu.be/TPpU5azjCB8)

This comparison is wrong on so many levels that I hardly know where to begin.

1.) VW Bus is not a real bus
2.) Hitting a wall is not even close to the same as hitting a car

What I was getting at is that a small car should basically bounce off a big bus because of the huge difference in momentum. Even in a much older bus with far fewer safety measures, just from that fact alone, I think the bus driver would be okay.

[anti_rice]

but it's not a regular road, regular roads have traffic lights and intersections, the lions gate is an extremely straight road with no stops in it, so 80km/h is a totally reasonable speed to go over it at

80km/h is only 50mph for fuck's sake - hardly high speed (consider that the rest of the world drives at 50mph on many non motorway roads)

First of all there's no reason to compare this city's roadways to others. you have to factor in the lane width, blind corners and hills etc.

secondly if you look at roads that are over 70km/h there are barriers or island seperating traffic. eg: marine dr east of boundary. Marine dr just outside UBC. etc. yes people can go 80km/h but the bridge wasn't design or engineered for people to be travelling that fast. It is not reasonable speed and hence what happened on wednesday night. The city doesn't just randomly put up speed signs with 50km/h on it because they ran out of 80km/h ones. They spend hundreds and thousands of dollars to calculate what's a safe speed.
School zones are 30km.h and they are straight roads. why don't u go speed thru at 60km cuz to me it seems like u think it sounds reasonable right?

[JaeF]

I see the majority of you understand or see the point I'm trying to convey and a good portion of you question my timing as a matter of respect decorum etc.
When is a good time to have a hard nosed approach on the subject? In a week or two when people have calmed down almost forgotten and the bodys are in the ground?
Some of you may think that a better approach but the best way to make an impact and in this case get these guys to slow down is to shock them with reality while its fresh, very fresh.
Its very apparent to me after reading this whole thread just how many associate and make what they believe valid excuses for this type of disregard for personal and public safety. "Its a new car rip it up" or "its a new car they handle well". Hence my approach.
If my asshole bluntness can get thru to one person then I've done my due diligence. I think I've gotten thru to a few more then one.
These two were idiots for endangering the lives of dozens of people. The fact they payed the ultimate price does not change that fact.

The words that come out of your mouth are foul. One mistake does not reflect the person in whole, accidents happen. Of course you can say they're idiots, since you don't know them. Their deaths are meaningless to you. However, no one here is asking for your "asshole bluntness". If you want to teach the ignorant then please do so on another thread. Talking about it here and using two people that recently passed as your example, well personally I think it is uncalled for.

[4444]

First of all there's no reason to compare this city's roadways to others. you have to factor in the lane width, blind corners and hills etc.

secondly if you look at roads that are over 70km/h there are barriers or island seperating traffic. eg: marine dr east of boundary. Marine dr just outside UBC. etc. yes people can go 80km/h but the bridge wasn't design or engineered for people to be travelling that fast. It is not reasonable speed and hence what happened on wednesday night. The city doesn't just randomly put up speed signs with 50km/h on it because they ran out of 80km/h ones. They spend hundreds and thousands of dollars to calculate what's a safe speed.
School zones are 30km.h and they are straight roads. why don't u go speed thru at 60km cuz to me it seems like u think it sounds reasonable right?

comparing a school zone to a bridge with zero intersections or pedestrians (they are separated) is just so stupid it doesn't deserve comment.

and comparing to other cities is totally reasonable, you probably think vancouver is the bee's knees, but from an infrastructure standpoint, vancouver is absolute junk

[4444]

you are an idiot!! It is not how fast you can go on the road. It is the amount of time and distance needed to stop your car going at 80km/h!!

Stopping distances for cars - Road Safety Authority Rules of the Road (http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/speed-limits/speed-limits_stopping-distances-cars.html)

name calling - mature

and you have just proven my point - given that there are no intersections on the bridge, and with everyone going at approx 80km/h, you're just hunky dory - if you're on a road with pedestrians, intersections, etc. you would need to stop quickly (hence a lower speed limit), on a completely straight road with no possibility of interaction with anything other than the traffic in front of you would warrant a higher speed limit

[FerrariEnzo]

but it's not a regular road, regular roads have traffic lights and intersections, the lions gate is an extremely straight road with no stops in it, so 80km/h is a totally reasonable speed to go over it at

80km/h is only 50mph for fuck's sake - hardly high speed (consider that the rest of the world drives at 50mph on many non motorway roads)

that dumb... speeding is speeding.. just because its a straight road doesnt mean you need to speed... thats call being careless


name calling - mature

and you have just proven my point - given that there are no intersections on the bridge, and with everyone going at approx 80km/h, you're just hunky dory - if you're on a road with pedestrians, intersections, etc. you would need to stop quickly (hence a lower speed limit), on a completely straight road with no possibility of interaction with anything other than the traffic in front of you would warrant a higher speed limit
There are ONCOMING traffic to account for... you need to beable to react if someone else is a bad driver.... 2 cars speeding on the bridge, one losses control... both are in trouble because the time needed to slowed and react...
In the heat of the moment, most normal drivers do not react fast enough..

[inv4zn]

This comparison is wrong on so many levels that I hardly know where to begin.

1.) VW Bus is not a real bus
2.) Hitting a wall is not even close to the same as hitting a car

What I was getting at is that a small car should basically bounce off a big bus because of the huge difference in momentum. Even in a much older bus with far fewer safety measures, just from that fact alone, I think the bus driver would be okay.

It was meant to be taken humorously, and not a direct comparison :okay:

A bus is basically a box, and the A pillars on a bus - especially one from the 60's, and even today - are weak, as they are structual columns. It would actually fare better hitting a wall, then the front end of a car, which is for all intents and purposes, pointy.

It's not all to do with momentum, as momentum is just speed times weight. So even if the bus is twice as heavy, if the car is going twice the speed, they carry equal momentum. Add that to structural rigidity and every other real-world physics aspect, and the bus driver is actually quite lucky. From the pictures it looks like the car struck the left side of the bus, which was extremely lucky.

Had it been a head-on collision, the bus driver would most likely be far worse off.

But that's not really the point, is it lol :concentrate:

[racerman88]

RIP to the victims.
It's a reminder for us to slow down given the weather conditions.

[InvisibleSoul]

A bus is basically a box, and the A pillars on a bus - especially one from the 60's, and even today - are weak, as they are structual columns. It would actually fare better hitting a wall, then the front end of a car, which is for all intents and purposes, pointy.
If the car had no give just like the wall, then I would agree.

It's not all to do with momentum, as momentum is just speed times weight. So even if the bus is twice as heavy, if the car is going twice the speed, they carry equal momentum. Add that to structural rigidity and every other real-world physics aspect, and the bus driver is actually quite lucky. From the pictures it looks like the car struck the left side of the bus, which was extremely lucky.
Yes, I know momentum is mass times velocity. The problem is the bus is not just twice as heavy. I think the bus in the crash is a Nova LFS, and the weight is over 40000lbs. Add the 15 people on the bus, and you're looking at about 42000lbs. The Mazda6 weighs 3600lbs, and with the two guys, say 3900lbs. That means the bus had more than 10x the mass. Even if the car was going twice the speed of the bus, the bus still has more than 5x the momentum of the car.

I still like the chances of the driver of a 1960s bus being fine in this collision.

[dvst8]

Tragic ending for these young guys. So much more life to live. My condolences to the families and friends. Times will be tough.

I agree with Phil@Rise for the most part but I don't think they are idiots. They did make a young 'idiot' mistake (new ride, lifes good, must go fast!). We all did. I know this might be harsh but if they made it out of this accident, I am pretty sure they would also agree with Phil and would be apologizing to everyone involved in this situation especially their parents. Life is full of lessons. Learn from it before its too late. Drive safe everyone

[wstce92]

i know what happened, i live by the bridge and i work with someone that knows them

Im curious what happens to the middle lane at night.

I live downtown, but my parents live in West Van, so lots of experience with the Lions Gate.
At night, sometimes they have the middle lane unused, sometimes arbitrarily (it seems) assigned to north bound or south bound.
It blows when they have the middle lane unused, cause you always have some asshole going 20km/hr and a bunch of stupider assholes overtaking with the middle.

[Hondaracer]

any smart driver driving lions gate at night empty or not, regardless of the middle lane configuration would be hugging the outer lane, it's common sense that most in Vancouver dont have.

[imp_squared]

name calling - mature

and you have just proven my point - given that there are no intersections on the bridge, and with everyone going at approx 80km/h, you're just hunky dory - if you're on a road with pedestrians, intersections, etc. you would need to stop quickly (hence a lower speed limit), on a completely straight road with no possibility of interaction with anything other than the traffic in front of you would warrant a higher speed limit

I am pretty sure they put a 50km/h speed limit on the lions gate bridge for many reasons.

To name a couple:
-3 lanes with a centre lane that swaps directions, pretty sure going 80km/h with the centre lane changing directions wouldn't be safe.
so with everyone on the far right lane going at 80km/h and you wanted to change lanes. hmmmm you would have to either slow down or increase your speed to pass and change lanes. I don't know about you I feel more safer changing lanes at 50km/h on that bridge with the narrow lanes.

-the south mouth of the bridge has a curved slight turn, so upcoming bridge road in front of you here would be coming at you blind. With the amount of reaction and brake time it needs to stop a car. If something was to suddenly happen on the bridge, going 80km/h won't give you enough time to stop.

But by all means 4444 drive 80km/h on the bridge!! Please make sure there are no cars or buses on the bridge when you do so.

Personally I don't want to loose control at 80km/h on that bridge.

[GLOW]

T bought a new car. Who the fuk would not wanna rip it on a new car?

THAT'S your first post? :facepalm:

I've read through this thread and have two things to say...

1. RIP and condolences

2. Everybody who has been replying these two got what they deserved for speeding are complete idiots. Especially you, Phil@Rise. You're a fu@#ing moron and I hope you lose a lot of business. The passenger was just that, a passenger. They were solely a victim of the driver's error in judgement, re-read what you wrote and think about it a$$hole.

Just a thought, Phil@Rise and the rest of you, try thinking before you post sh*t like that you stupid fu@#s.

:suspicious: created a new account for this eh...

on a serious note i heard about this on the radio today as i was driving home with my newborn from the hospital. it said 2 guys died and several with injuries. hope their injuries are minor and make out ok.

[4444]

that dumb... speeding is speeding.. just because its a straight road doesnt mean you need to speed... thats call being careless



There are ONCOMING traffic to account for... you need to beable to react if someone else is a bad driver.... 2 cars speeding on the bridge, one losses control... both are in trouble because the time needed to slowed and react...
In the heat of the moment, most normal drivers do not react fast enough..

You have to account for oncoming traffic on a straight line? They may lose control - straight line!!! How stupid does that sound, chances are if someone crosses centre line, at 50 or 80, ur probably fucked

[Marco911]

I am pretty sure they put a 50km/h speed limit on the lions gate bridge for many reasons.

To name a couple:
-3 lanes with a centre lane that swaps directions, pretty sure going 80km/h with the centre lane changing directions wouldn't be safe.
so with everyone on the far right lane going at 80km/h and you wanted to change lanes. hmmmm you would have to either slow down or increase your speed to pass and change lanes. I don't know about you I feel more safer changing lanes at 50km/h on that bridge with the narrow lanes.

-the south mouth of the bridge has a curved slight turn, so upcoming bridge road in front of you here would be coming at you blind. With the amount of reaction and brake time it needs to stop a car. If something was to suddenly happen on the bridge, going 80km/h won't give you enough time to stop.

But by all means 4444 drive 80km/h on the bridge!! Please make sure there are no cars or buses on the bridge when you do so.

Personally I don't want to loose control at 80km/h on that bridge.

For the last time, the speed limit on LGB is 70 km/h not 50 km/h. Most people drive LGB at 80-90 km/h and they do so very safely. Millions of driver miles are travelled on this bridge at higher than the posted speed limit with nary an incident.

If you insist on driving LGB at 50 km/h, you are a hazard to everyone because you are the one that is the odd person out and creating a speed differential with the rest of traffic flow. Let's be clear, this speed differential that you have caused is far more dangerous than traffic moving along at a steady 80-90.

If you don't feel safe driving over 50 km/h on LGB, please just stay off our bridge.

[4444]

I am pretty sure they put a 50km/h speed limit on the lions gate bridge for many reasons.

To name a couple:
-3 lanes with a centre lane that swaps directions, pretty sure going 80km/h with the centre lane changing directions wouldn't be safe.
so with everyone on the far right lane going at 80km/h and you wanted to change lanes. hmmmm you would have to either slow down or increase your speed to pass and change lanes. I don't know about you I feel more safer changing lanes at 50km/h on that bridge with the narrow lanes.

-the south mouth of the bridge has a curved slight turn, so upcoming bridge road in front of you here would be coming at you blind. With the amount of reaction and brake time it needs to stop a car. If something was to suddenly happen on the bridge, going 80km/h won't give you enough time to stop.

But by all means 4444 drive 80km/h on the bridge!! Please make sure there are no cars or buses on the bridge when you do so.

Personally I don't want to loose control at 80km/h on that bridge.

Isn't the speed limit 60?

As for curved exits, that's not what I'm talking about, makes sense to slow it down

Also centre lane changing direction causing problems? How, it's not like they change every hr, and they close the centre lane for both directions for a while to ensure no chance for confusion

I just can't believe how simple some of u are on here

[4444]

For the last time, the speed limit on LGB is 70 km/h not 50 km/h. Most people drive LGB at 80-90 km/h and they do so very safely. Millions of driver miles are travelled on this bridge at higher than the posted speed limit with nary an incident.

If you insist on driving LGB at 50 km/h, you are a hazard to everyone because you are the one that is the odd person out and creating a speed differential with the rest of traffic flow. Let's be clear, this speed differential that you have caused is far more dangerous than traffic moving along at a steady 80-90.

If you don't feel safe driving over 50 km/h on LGB, please just stay off our bridge.

Quoted for truth and appreciation for some intelligence in this thread

[Marco911]

Improvements are great, but we should have better, if we truly are a world class city

And traffic flow may be better, but sitting on Georgia or by park royal for 30-40 mins waiting for traffic to crawl along isn't good enough when it's because of a split 3 lane bridge, especially for the number of north shore residents

I'm not sure why I'm the only one who wants better for this shit whole of a city, maybe it's the English in me - mind you, watch what that did to my country, we fucked that one up real good

Speaking as a long time North Shore resident, I can say that many of us feel that the bridge is a gateway that keeps the North Shore exclusive. Most North Shore residents love the cozy feel of our mountainside suburbia while living so close to downtown. We do not want the urban sprawl that will come with improved access to the North Shore.

[Drow]

Interesting... :suspicious:

City of Richmond BC - RCMP News Releases (http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/printpages/page9707.htm)

If the article referenced Jowin Lau is the same person. And he is a drug trafficker... Well :fuckthatshit:
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wut u doing trying to dig up dirt on the deceased at 4 in the morning....

[Marco911]

you are an idiot!! It is not how fast you can go on the road. It is the amount of time and distance needed to stop your car going at 80km/h!!

Stopping distances for cars - Road Safety Authority Rules of the Road (http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/speed-limits/speed-limits_stopping-distances-cars.html)

OMG! Ride a bicycle if you can't handle driving at the speed of traffic flow, which if you haven't noticed, pretty much ignores the speed limit.

[sekin67835]

wut u doing trying to dig up dirt on the deceased at 4 in the morning....

Don't think he was digging up dirt, probably just curious who the deceased was

[canali]

the speed limit for the lion's gate is NOT 70...it used to be 60 but i believe has been now reduced to 50...saw it on a news story
the other day showing a cop recording speeds on the lions gate vs what was posted (50 kph)

the lion's gate bridge, afterall, is not a highway like the 2nd narrows bridge, which does run along an actual highway and post higher speed limits.

furthermore, if i'm correct, the 2nd narrows used to have a posted speed limit of 80, but was also reduced recently to 70 just north of the hastings overpass to the upper cut...(reduced no doubt to the amt of yahoos who drive like shit)

to suggest that people can drive safely at 80 kph on lion's gate bridge, which can be so stop and go, with many bottleneck points, is nuts.

if anything you're the hazardous ''speed differential'' on the lgb by being up someone's ass doing 80, not those dudes doing 50-60.

For the last time, the speed limit on LGB is 70 km/h not 50 km/h. Most people drive LGB at 80-90 km/h and they do so very safely. Millions of driver miles are travelled on this bridge at higher than the posted speed limit with nary an incident.

If you insist on driving LGB at 50 km/h, you are a hazard to everyone because you are the one that is the odd person out and creating a speed differential with the rest of traffic flow. Let's be clear, this speed differential that you have caused is far more dangerous than traffic moving along at a steady 80-90.

If you don't feel safe driving over 50 km/h on LGB, please just stay off our bridge.

[4444]

Speaking as a long time North Shore resident, I can say that many of us feel that the bridge is a gateway that keeps the North Shore exclusive. Most North Shore residents love the cozy feel of our mountainside suburbia while living so close to downtown. We do not want the urban sprawl that will come with improved access to the North Shore.

sounds like tsawwassen! residents don't want any newcomers!

[StylinRed]

speed limit is 60

its 50 when you're off the bridge into nv

[Nathanlau]

Why is this thread full of immature people that can't understand that T made a mistake .
1st of all , He was a great guy and according to my sister he saved my A$$ at an arcade
2nd of all , He just bought the car and it could've easily had bald tires causing him to hydroplane on wet conditions .
3rd and MOST IMPORTANTLY : This was 1 mistake , 20 seconds of his 20 year life. You shouldn't judge him when you DON'T KNOW HIM !

[noclue]

^ why do great guys get convicted of hustling drugs? or was that the passenger

In before "Don't hate the player, hate the game"

[bing]

Lions gate bridge has the most fucking stupid concept of a design I've ever seen. I'm not surprised that an accident of this magnitude happened; the two men drew the short stick and got fucked. No dividers? really? Two lanes with a shared middle lane? that's just fucking stupid. With the growing number of people in the city, the bridge is way over capacity at peak hours.

The LGB was a privately built bridge funded by the Guiness family (yes, the family that makes the beer) at the persuasion of a man called Alfred Taylor in the early 1930s to connect Vancouver to West Vancouver. It was meant to be a two lane tolled bridge but due to the population boom, the lanes were adjusted to three. In 1963, the tolls were removed and the provincial government purchased it from the family for the same price they built it for.

http://www.insidevancouver.ca/2012/06/12/inside-vancouvers-hidden-past-the-secret-history-of-the-lions-gate-bridge/

So it wasn't exactly conceived of and built by the government. Bridges are expensive to build and today probably require lengthy public consultation to even happen. Besides, how many people actually die/crash on that bridge?

edit: Found my answer. According to ICBC (2006), LGB is a high crash location. However, that goes for many of the other bridges as well: Knight St, Alex Fraser, and the Patullo - two of which have dividers and one does not. Also, many highway locations appeared on that list. It just suggests to me that these high traffic locations/arteries mean that people need to pay more attention and drive more carefully. http://www.myseniorsite.ca/driving-crashloc.htm

[Graeme S]

I have no idea about this guy's background. Or the passenger's background. Or anything else for that matter. And to be perfectly honest, I really don't care.


Two people died that night. Many more were injured. And while we regret the passing of those who are now lost to us, this does not change the manner in which they died. We do not know the details of the accident yet. It may be that he swerved because of something that fell off another car. It may be that he was "taking his new car for a rip" and lost control. It may be something else.

But they are dead.


Defending their lives will not change that they are dead. Other people are injured, and they are dead. Their parents are mourning and they are dead.

Getting angry at the people who say things you don't like will not bring them back from the dead. It will also not stop others from dying. If you feel upset and angry and depressed because your friends are dead, don't get angry at the people who are saying things you don't want to hear. Get angry at the people who put others in your family at risk.

Just the other day, I was driving with my mom on a small side street. Two-way, with parking. I was driving at just under 50, and each block has stop signs at the beginning and end. Some fucking retarded yahoo whose plate I couldn't make out quickly enough (with an N!) decided to pass me on the left, across a solid yellow line (luckily not into incoming traffic) going at least 80 clicks.


When I was that age, and if my buddy were driving like that in his brand new BMW, I would've said "Dude, that was fucking awesome!". And now, if I heard someone telling that story that I knew, I would have to work very hard not to slug him across the face. Because my mother's reactions are slow. Because my mother would not guess that someone would be going half again the speed limit in the oncoming lane. Because my mother has osteoporosis and would be at a greater risk for a fatal injury from a sudden head-on impact with that kind of speed differential.

Because I love my mother more than I love others' adrenaline rushes.


If you are sad, I sympathize. If you knew the victim, I offer condolences. If you are angry, good.




Go out there and do something to help solve the problem.

[Redlines_Daily]

If you feel upset and angry and depressed because your friends are dead, don't get angry at the people who are saying things you don't want to hear.

What? So other people can post their angry comments but not the people who actually have a personal connection to the topic, where's the logic in that?

You said yourself that we don't know the cause of the accident, there isn't even any proof that they were speeding. So if the cause is unknown and people are calling their friends 'idiots' then I would say they have a right to be angry and post about it.

[Graeme S]

What? So other people can post their angry comments but not the people who actually have a personal connection to the topic, where's the logic in that?

You said yourself that we don't know the cause of the accident, there isn't even any proof that they were speeding. So if the cause is unknown and people are calling their friends 'idiots' then I would say they have a right to be angry and post about it.
That was not at all what I meant. I definitely did not mean that those who knew the deceased should not comment. But I did mean that this is not a thread about their lives--it is about the incident which caused their deaths.

This is neither the appropriate place to deify them, nor demonize them. They were in the car. The car crashed. They died.

Whether not not they were doing anything dangerous; whether or not they were good people, nothing is changed. But that doesn't mean that nothing should change. The next time some guy brags about cutting someone off, the next time someone tells you that their tires are too badly worn, the next time you hear someone has just bought a new car, then think of how you felt today. Yesterday. When you heard the news.


The intent of my point was to try and burn away the disaffection many people have around them. Lo those ages ago, when I was a member at BCDSM, one of the members got himself killed in a single car accident. I feel incredibly shitty right now because I can't remember his name. He was a kid in highschool and he took a corner too fast and went straight off the road into a tree. I met his dad once. He bought the car from ICBC and towed it to car meets and events doing his best to remind people how wonderful his son was in life, and how one fucking stupid moment had killed him.

His son killed himself. Not by choice. Not because he was sad. Not because he wanted to die. But because he made one decision. And then his life was gone. Because all it takes is one moment. One instant. One action. And then 20 years of life isn't life anymore.

[SpuGen]

Just saying: Dont click the spoiler if you're going to get offended and start failing my post.
"This is 1 click , 20 seconds of your 20 year life will be wasted. Don't judge me when you DONT KNOW ME!" haah.

I've been T-Boned before by a car going 80-ish. Full speed. My Car ended up with a huge dent. Totalled, but had there been a passenger, they would've walked away with maybe a broken arm.

It did NOT pancake like that Mazda 6. How fast were these idiots going?

Also. I don't think that passenger made it out in one piece. I've been to the ICBC Yard in Queens Borough. There was a 7 Series that looked just like that. According to one of the Yard security guys, there were still chunks of the passengers in that car. Eugh.

[imp_squared]

For the last time, the speed limit on LGB is 70 km/h not 50 km/h. Most people drive LGB at 80-90 km/h and they do so very safely. Millions of driver miles are travelled on this bridge at higher than the posted speed limit with nary an incident.

If you insist on driving LGB at 50 km/h, you are a hazard to everyone because you are the one that is the odd person out and creating a speed differential with the rest of traffic flow. Let's be clear, this speed differential that you have caused is far more dangerous than traffic moving along at a steady 80-90.

If you don't feel safe driving over 50 km/h on LGB, please just stay off our bridge.

lol I haven't been on LGB for the longest time. So I cannot remember the speed limit is on LGB is, but I always keep up with traffic, however I leave a lot of room in front of me. I like my reaction and braking time, thank you very much.

OMG! Ride a bicycle if you can't handle driving at the speed of traffic flow, which if you haven't noticed, pretty much ignores the speed limit.

"I always keep up with traffic, however I leave a lot of room in front of me. I like my reaction and braking time, thank you very much."

Just saying: Dont click the spoiler if you're going to get offended and start failing my post.
"This is 1 click , 20 seconds of your 20 year life will be wasted. Don't judge me when you DONT KNOW ME!" haah.

I've been T-Boned before by a car going 80-ish. Full speed. My Car ended up with a huge dent. Totalled, but had there been a passenger, they would've walked away with maybe a broken arm.

It did NOT pancake like that Mazda 6. How fast were these idiots going?

Also. I don't think that passenger made it out in one piece. I've been to the ICBC Yard in Queens Borough. There was a 7 Series that looked just like that. According to one of the Yard security guys, there were still chunks of the passengers in that car. Eugh.

I'm pretty sure the bus weight and speed factors into the accident. I wish I know enough physics to show you the math, but I don't.

So... bus weight, bus speed, car weight, car speed, angle of impact, friction on the road, etc... etc...

^ why do great guys get convicted of hustling drugs? or was that the passenger

In before "Don't hate the player, hate the game"

He was the passenger.

Police identify man killed in fatal Lions Gate Bridge car-bus crash (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Police+identify+killed+fatal+Lions+Gate+Bridge+cra sh/7638701/story.html)

[TRDood]

wut u doing trying to dig up dirt on the deceased at 4 in the morning....

I don't know the guys so I googled their names. This was on the first page/hit on Google.

Got home at late from studying and surfed RS before bed.
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[mittZ]

I don't know the guys so I googled their names. This was on the first page/hit on Google.

Got home at late from studying and surfed RS before bed.
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props to you for putting it out there that the guy was a dope dealer. maybe that will correct some misplaced sympathies. good riddance.


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[dlo]

I don't even wan start another arguement about dope dealing.... But come on, don't judge a man from his past, I admit I aint a dam saint but I turned my life around and am now a full time student, I am hearing nothing but positive things about these guys on my fb feed and some are truly devestated, it was uncessary to put that link up anyways, such a pointless thing to do, if u guys wan prove to everyone ur a saint, go give us the link to ur cso/gov files before u go judge others
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[twitchyzero]

It did NOT pancake like that Mazda 6. How fast were these idiots going?

getting T-boned cannot be compared to head-on collisions...especially if there's a bus/semi involved

[Graeme S]

Just to be clear, this is not a "shit on dead peoples' lives" thread. Discuss the incident, not the decedents.

[mittZ]

I don't even wan start another arguement about dope dealing.... But come on, don't judge a man from his past, I admit I aint a dam saint but I turned my life around and am now a full time student, I am hearing nothing but positive things about these guys on my fb feed and some are truly devestated, it was uncessary to put that link up anyways, such a pointless thing to do, if u guys wan prove to everyone ur a saint, go give us the link to ur cso/gov files before u go judge others
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of course you'll hear nothing but how he was a "good dude" on fb, those comments will be coming from his friends and family. this isn't a r.i.p. thread, even still i'm not applauding anyone for spitting on the guy's memory but it's not "pointless" to point out facts from his troubled past.

[Zoidberg]

I admit I aint a dam saint but I turned my life around and am now a full time student
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School: none

:troll:

[mittZ]

Just to be clear, this is not a "shit on dead peoples' lives" thread. Discuss the incident, not the decedents.

how can you discuss a fatal accident, without discussing the guy who caused it? :fulloffuck:

i realize people on here actually knew the deceased and sensitivities are going to run high but censoring discussion around the guy isn't going to help anyone whether theyre grieving or just want answers.

[Graeme S]

how can you discuss a fatal accident, without discussing the guy who caused it? :fulloffuck:

i realize people on here actually knew the deceased and sensitivities are going to run high but censoring discussion around the guy isn't going to help anyone whether theyre grieving or just want answers.
In the same was we can talk about the victim of a serial killer without focusing on the fact that she perfectly fit his profile.


If I die in a traffic accident from what may have been a momentary lapse of judgement, I would very much hope that people would do the same. While people may choose their actions; single individual actions do not always make a person. Even when it is their unbecoming.

[Rdk1]

Cars sides usually aren't meant to withstand the impact of more at more than 140km/h. For the passengers, going from 80+km/h (albeit sideways) to -50km/h (backwards) usually means fatal. Even if the car is made to have no give and didn't crumple, that sudden change in speed would kill you.

I'm willing to go out and say that the mazda was going in triple digit speeds when it occured.

What I'm trying to say is, there's almost no chance of survival for the passengers inside the mazda, in ANY passenger cars.

I know of the passenger. We attended the same church.

Drive safe everyone.

[Tim Budong]

arguing what works best or what speed limit really means is one thing
trying to apply ANY reasoning whatsoever towards how to/what to/when to about the Lions Gate Bridge is retarded

I will say it again, the bridge is fucking stupid. This is one common situation in regards to center lane traffic gone bad

Of course, speed played a huge factor into this incident, but thats really where it ends here for me.

I hope Translink and the City look carefully on improving safety standards for the regular joe who uses this retarded bridge daily. All the feeder routes toward the bridge is retarded as well

[jlenko]

Wow.. this thread is just about ready for Fight Club!

Best action it'll see all year..

[T4RAWR]

...go give us the link to ur cso/gov files before u go judge others
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there are plenty of people out there who have no criminal records.

[Hot Karl]

Nothing to see here. Just another typical thread where everyone is an expert about everything.
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[fT-z33wor]

http://i.imgur.com/Voake.gif

[canali]

good quote but don't expect things to change as per many the driving accidents and fatalities stemming from younger drivers

....an excerpt from your post says it all, and has been echoed earlier, too:
"When I was that age, and if my buddy were driving like that (reckless) in his brand new BMW, I would've
said "Dude, that was fucking awesome!". And now, if I heard someone telling that story that I knew,
I would have to work very hard not to slug him across the face."

the problem is the perennial theme of youth, with its heightened testosterone levels, coupled with strong peer pressure
to be the 'cool alpha male' in a fast machine...add alcohol or drugs and then
finish it off with a good dollop of speed and you've got all the elements of 'the perfect storm' just itchin' to collide.

attitudes imo will only change by the pressure of one's peers, when a tragedy happens in their inner circle
and thus finally hits home. makes them wake them up to the fact that driving with the attitude of invincibility
(aka 'the fast and the furious') on busy public roadways is largely illusory, and 'tis for the stuff of Hollywood and make belief.


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I have no idea about this guy's background. Or the passenger's background. Or anything else for that matter. And to be perfectly honest, I really don't care.


Two people died that night. Many more were injured. And while we regret the passing of those who are now lost to us, this does not change the manner in which they died. We do not know the details of the accident yet. It may be that he swerved because of something that fell off another car. It may be that he was "taking his new car for a rip" and lost control. It may be something else.

But they are dead.


Defending their lives will not change that they are dead. Other people are injured, and they are dead. Their parents are mourning and they are dead.

Getting angry at the people who say things you don't like will not bring them back from the dead. It will also not stop others from dying. If you feel upset and angry and depressed because your friends are dead, don't get angry at the people who are saying things you don't want to hear. Get angry at the people who put others in your family at risk.

Just the other day, I was driving with my mom on a small side street. Two-way, with parking. I was driving at just under 50, and each block has stop signs at the beginning and end. Some fucking retarded yahoo whose plate I couldn't make out quickly enough (with an N!) decided to pass me on the left, across a solid yellow line (luckily not into incoming traffic) going at least 80 clicks.


When I was that age, and if my buddy were driving like that in his brand new BMW, I would've said "Dude, that was fucking awesome!". And now, if I heard someone telling that story that I knew, I would have to work very hard not to slug him across the face. Because my mother's reactions are slow. Because my mother would not guess that someone would be going half again the speed limit in the oncoming lane. Because my mother has osteoporosis and would be at a greater risk for a fatal injury from a sudden head-on impact with that kind of speed differential.

Because I love my mother more than I love others' adrenaline rushes.


If you are sad, I sympathize. If you knew the victim, I offer condolences. If you are angry, good.




Go out there and do something to help solve the problem.

[westopher]

arguing what works best or what speed limit really means is one thing
trying to apply ANY reasoning whatsoever towards how to/what to/when to about the Lions Gate Bridge is retarded

I will say it again, the bridge is fucking stupid. This is one common situation in regards to center lane traffic gone bad

Of course, speed played a huge factor into this incident, but thats really where it ends here for me.

I hope Translink and the City look carefully on improving safety standards for the regular joe who uses this retarded bridge daily. All the feeder routes toward the bridge is retarded as well
Dude. It has NOTHING to do with the centre lane, the car hit the bus all the way over in the far left (to the mazdas) lane. It has to do with an absolute loss of the control of the car. Not every road in the world can have a concrete divider. Sometimes its up to us to control the path of our cars.

[Gridlock]

There is a tendency on the news that only good people die. Inevitably, they will find someone to interview that finds how the world is a worse place without this near saint of a person, good to the core and all that. Happens every news cast, every day. NO one ever gets on the news and says, "he was an average person-he was funny, and nice, but he parked in handicapped spaces to be a dick". This isn't the fault of the news, its people writing revisionist history.

So in a thread on this subject, its going to be quite disheartening to hear that while he was a great friend to you, he may only be an average addition to society.

Tough love time, and for those that knew the deceased, feel free to stop reading. It wasn't the bridge's fault. It wasn't the conditions. It was the driver. So in terms of this entire thread, just remember that you may want to drive 80/90/100+ on the bridge, but it isn't wasn't and never will be designed to do that. You make the decision to hit the gas, then you put yourself, your passengers and the public at risk. It is up to the driver to analyze the conditions that are presented and drive to those conditions. It's wet...slow down. This bridge is the shits..slow down. It's busy...so slow down. It's not the city, or the provinces fault that there isn't a bridge there that allows the general public to do 100+...hey! it would be nice, but don't blame them.

The nanny state can never child proof the entire world.

[tofu1413]

im still guessing he hydroplaned from one side of the road and skidded into the other direction.

when it rains, LGB does look slick.. looks like theres a black film of water on the road... regardless of tread, im pretty sure any car going fast enough would lose grip on all four tires and spin..

[Rich Sandor]

Nothing much to say that hasn't already been said.

My Cole's Notes Summary of this thread:
-Younger and Bleeding-Heart demographic thinks the deaths are a tragedy and that Lion's Gate bridge is unsafe.
-Older and Cynical demographic thinks the driver is solely to blame for the accident.

I have to agree with the older and more cynical demographic. I crossed the LGB for 15 years, 2-4 times daily. I know it as intimately as anyone can know it. In my younger years I have done stupid stuff on it. I know what you can and can't get away with. Every single accident that occurs on this bridge is down to driver error in some regard. Either due to inexperience, or very poor judgement. There was one accident where a tree fell on a car, and that's the only case where it was really unavoidable. This bridge is narrower than most, but if you are careful, it is perfectly safe. If you disagree, you need to maybe take some advanced collision avoidance courses to improve your driving skills - which, by the way, is what I teach for a living.

FYI to everyone - we overuse the word tragedy. Google the true meaning of it. If one of these two kids had just survived a bout of cancer only to die in a car crash - THAT would be a tragedy. I don't think that was the case. My condolences to everyone who was affected by the accident. I would hate for other people to have to suffer in any way because of something dumb that I did in a car.

[Rich Sandor]

^ Redlines Daily, I would love to know what I wrote that was offensive enough to warrant a fail.

[tofu1413]

^ pretty neutral opinion. what a good change of direction on this thread..

[Drow]

there are plenty of people out there who have no criminal records.

haha tru dat. brb life = over if i get a crim record

[ilvtofu]

Nothing much to say that hasn't already been said.

My Cole's Notes Summary of this thread:
-Younger and Bleeding-Heart demographic thinks the deaths are a tragedy and that Lion's Gate bridge is unsafe.
-Older and Cynical demographic thinks the driver is solely to blame for the accident.

I have to agree with the older and more cynical demographic. I crossed the LGB for 15 years, 2-4 times daily. I know it as intimately as anyone can know it. In my younger years I have done stupid stuff on it. I know what you can and can't get away with. Every single accident that occurs on this bridge is down to driver error in some regard. Either due to inexperience, or very poor judgement. There was one accident where a tree fell on a car, and that's the only case where it was really unavoidable. This bridge is narrower than most, but if you are careful, it is perfectly safe. If you disagree, you need to maybe take some advanced collision avoidance courses to improve your driving skills - which, by the way, is what I teach for a living.


There are only a rare few people that said anything about the LGB being unsafe and that being the cause of the accident. most people, even friends of the deceased, were simply making remarks like "RIP", "You will be missed", etc. (In typical RS fashion, whether they knew the deceased or not)

The thread turning to shit was a result of people arguing over the appropriateness of talking about who's to blame and making negative comments towards the deceased in a thread that evidently became an 'in memoriam' thread with many grieving members.

The majority of people upset at the negative remarks toward the driver, are not upset because they are condoning speeding/driving recklessly. There is no need to impose safe driving techniques on the community, the people involved made a very clear example of what not to do and there is no need to add more fuel to the blatantly obvious fire. If they were going at or very close to the speed limit this wouldn't have happened and even if it did not at such a deadly proportion.

In case you haven't noticed I am of the latter group that thinks the driver is solely to blame, but I don't feel the need to clarify how stupid the actions of the deceased were. IMO the deceased weren't exactly salt of the earth either, but any properly socialized person would recognize the direction of the thread and who their comments are in the presence of, and that it's not the right time and place to be calling them "idiots". I agree with one comment that one action does not define you as a person, while it might've been an idiot move there is no need to condemn you as an idiot in what became an 'in memoriam' thread.

If it was your loved one's funeral you would not take kindly if someone in attendance were reminding everyone about every misdeed of your son/brother/cousin/best friend/etc. or calling them idiots/lowlifes/assholes/etc.

[jonwon]

^ most intelligent post in this entire thread. thank you

[Redlines_Daily]

^ Redlines Daily, I would love to know what I wrote that was offensive enough to warrant a fail.

Hi Rich,

I didn't like your insinuation that this isn't a tragedy. To be honest, sometimes I fail when I disagree with a post but don't want to get into a discussion. I can see that you put some thought into your writing, so I hope you don't take it too personally. Just a fail(we all get lots of em)

-J

[4444]

just gotta say this as i haven't been over lions gate in a month or so, but went over oak street bridge twice (i know, not exactly apples to apples, but an undersized 60kp/h bridge nonetheless), i was going 95km/h just to keep up with traffic, i was not doing this to speed, just going with the flow, and it was raining tonight - didn't feel at all unreasonable to be going that speed...

and yes, i slowed down near the end of the bridge (to answer the db's who are like '80's too fast, it veer's off slightly at the edge of the lion's gate bridge)

again, not trying to be cool by saying i sped, just saying for comparison/actions of surrounding drivers/to showcase how stupidly slow our limits are

[imp_squared]

Just gonna wait for more info/data to come up.
The only thing the cops are saying is "speed is a factor".

Let the experts deal with the "what happened that night and how it happened"

I'm just guessing here.. but hydroplaning?
Are there large water puddles on LGB?
The last time I recall being on LGB when it was raining, (long time ago btw) the bridge deck drained water well and no puddles.
"FYI: You can hydroplane without a puddle (just with rain), but you are far more likely to hydroplane over standing water."

just gotta say this as i haven't been over lions gate in a month or so, but went over oak street bridge twice (i know, not exactly apples to apples, but an undersized 60kp/h bridge nonetheless), i was going 95km/h just to keep up with traffic, i was not doing this to speed, just going with the flow, and it was raining tonight - didn't feel at all unreasonable to be going that speed...

and yes, i slowed down near the end of the bridge (to answer the db's who are like '80's too fast, it veer's off slightly at the edge of the lion's gate bridge)

again, not trying to be cool by saying i sped, just saying for comparison/actions of surrounding drivers/to showcase how stupidly slow our limits are

"If you’re caught speeding up to 20 km/h over the limit in your community or on a highway, the fine is $138. If you’re caught doing more than 60 km/h, the fine is $483."

all I know for sure I would've been on the right lane and let you pass me.

so many "what-ifs" in driving.
-if there was a speed check on the bridge everyone would slow the f-down.
-what if something happened.. hydroplane and lost control, etc...

I like being 10kp/h or under the posted speed limit. Plus I don't like paying fines. :concentrate:

[dn53]

I was caught going 60 over on the 91. i was sure i was fucked. I am not one to dispute or complain about tickets that are deserved. I broke the law and i was ready to face the consequences for it. But after a lecture he let me on my way. i was in a heated conversation with the ex in the car, it was late at night, and i just wasnt paying attention to my speed. I couldve easily ended up with a $400 ticket and impound. I am happy he let me go and i did learn from it. This happened to me last week. I am way more conscious about my speed and this incident to top it off makes us all realize how precious life is.

[BaoTurbo]

Just to be clear, this is not a "shit on dead peoples' lives" thread. Discuss the incident, not the decedents.

Agreed. This thread was made to discuss this issue with fellow members and community. I'm not pointing out fingers but I'm pretty sure this thread wasn't made to figure out who the guy is and what he has done to end up like this. A dead person should receive some respect. Even if he deserved it or not, I wouldn't care because I can bet 100% the people around him feels even worse than I do for him at the moment. So RIP and some respect is in order.

My 2 cents.

[Vale46Rossi]

=/


drive safe everyone.

[4444]

Just gonna wait for more info/data to come up.
The only thing the cops are saying is "speed is a factor".

Let the experts deal with the "what happened that night and how it happened"

I'm just guessing here.. but hydroplaning?
Are there large water puddles on LGB?
The last time I recall being on LGB when it was raining, (long time ago btw) the bridge deck drained water well and no puddles.
"FYI: You can hydroplane without a puddle (just with rain), but you are far more likely to hydroplane over standing water."



"If you’re caught speeding up to 20 km/h over the limit in your community or on a highway, the fine is $138. If you’re caught doing more than 60 km/h, the fine is $483."

all I know for sure I would've been on the right lane and let you pass me.

so many "what-ifs" in driving.
-if there was a speed check on the bridge everyone would slow the f-down.
-what if something happened.. hydroplane and lost control, etc...

I like being 10kp/h or under the posted speed limit. Plus I don't like paying fines. :concentrate:

i'm pretty sure over 40km/h over you get an arse fucking and your car taken away (which i still don't know how they can do, legally, innocent until proven guilty and all, and it's not like you're impaired) - on a 60 bridge, 95 is 35 over, so it wouldn't have been a big deal (i believe <$200 ticket - i've been caught and ticketed for 96 on a 60 bridge (granville) - again this was at 8 am on a weekday and i was going with the flow of traffic, and i got a $13x ticket, they could have given me a slightly higher one, but not hugely more - i won't be found guilty so really, it's a $0 ticket and a waste of an hour of my time - which, honestly is getting to become worth more than $13x, but still...)

and if you were driving at 70km/h tonight or this morning, you would have been holding up traffic - remember there are only two puny lanes on that stupid bridge, this morning i had a big merc SUV up my backside - there's always someone wanting to go faster (and yes, as soon as i could get over i did, even at 80 or 90, whatever i was doing at that exact time)

if you're not comfortable in being able to slow down sufficiently at 80 when EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING 80, you're either way too close to the person in front or you're not paying close enough attention to the road

learn to drive people, put your coffees, phones, food, etc. down, two hands on the wheel at 9 and 3, 100% concentration on the road, and get going!
i'd also suggest you all drive manuals - actually makes you learn to drive, rather than just bumper cars we get in vancouver (i mean that figuratively and literally)

[imp_squared]

i'm pretty sure over 40km/h over you get an arse fucking and your car taken away (which i still don't know how they can do, legally, innocent until proven guilty and all, and it's not like you're impaired) - on a 60 bridge, 95 is 35 over, so it wouldn't have been a big deal (i believe <$200 ticket - i've been caught and ticketed for 96 on a 60 bridge (granville) - again this was at 8 am on a weekday and i was going with the flow of traffic, and i got a $13x ticket, they could have given me a slightly higher one, but not hugely more - i won't be found guilty so really, it's a $0 ticket and a waste of an hour of my time - which, honestly is getting to become worth more than $13x, but still...)

and if you were driving at 70km/h tonight or this morning, you would have been holding up traffic - remember there are only two puny lanes on that stupid bridge, this morning i had a big merc SUV up my backside - there's always someone wanting to go faster (and yes, as soon as i could get over i did, even at 80 or 90, whatever i was doing at that exact time)

if you're not comfortable in being able to slow down sufficiently at 80 when EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING 80, you're either way too close to the person in front or you're not paying close enough attention to the road

learn to drive people, put your coffees, phones, food, etc. down, two hands on the wheel at 9 and 3, 100% concentration on the road, and get going!
i'd also suggest you all drive manuals - actually makes you learn to drive, rather than just bumper cars we get in vancouver (i mean that figuratively and literally)

haha.. yeah man.. understood... freaking weekend traffic is the same as weekday traffic these days.. no difference between the two. where as years - years - years ago weekend traffic would be less than weekday traffic.

anyway partly off topic?
I believe it was loosing control at high speed and probably hydroplaning, gonna wait to found out what they say about the accident, see what they find out.

[Zoidberg]

Mayor calls for overnight closure of Lions Gate middle lane - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/12/02/bc-lions-gate-closures.html)

[LP700-4]

^ I actually really dont mind that. As long as they dont close it before 10 then who really cares? There is going to be traffic at those time but not most likely not enough to cause backups. I feel safer in the outermost lanes anyways.

[Stormspirit]

Don't know these 2 guys, but they keep being mentioned on FB and IRL... RIP anyhow.

[!Kodamu]

From my late night drives. They have been closing the middle lane for the longest time.

I think riding a scooter on the Oak street bridge is more scary then riding it on the Lions Gate Bridge. Lions gate bridge is already pretty wide compare to Pattullo bridge and Oak street bridge.

[Marco911]

From my late night drives. They have been closing the middle lane for the longest time.

I think riding a scooter on the Oak street bridge is more scary then riding it on the Lions Gate Bridge. Lions gate bridge is already pretty wide compare to Pattullo bridge and Oak street bridge.

"Late at night to early morning hours" could mean from 10pm to 6 am. It will decrease the efficiency of the crossing tremendously. Imagine being stuck behind some bozo doing the speed limit or less through the entire section of the bridge. Unintended consequences would be passing unsafely in the closed middle lane.

[Lomac]

"Late at night to early morning hours" could mean from 10pm to 6 am. It will decrease the efficiency of the crossing tremendously. Imagine being stuck behind some bozo doing the speed limit or less through the entire section of the bridge. Unintended consequences would be passing unsafely in the closed middle lane.

Really? Really?

Oh noes! People might get to their West Van houses a full minute later than they otherwise would have! Oh the humanity!

:rolleyes:

[Gridlock]

"Late at night to early morning hours" could mean from 10pm to 6 am. It will decrease the efficiency of the crossing tremendously. Imagine being stuck behind some bozo doing the speed limit or less through the entire section of the bridge. Unintended consequences would be passing unsafely in the closed middle lane.

It works well on the Patullo. Only had one impatient asshole cross into the center at night to get home faster on me so far.

[twitchyzero]

Imagine being stuck behind some bozo doing the speed limit or less through the entire section of the bridge. Unintended consequences would be passing unsafely in the closed middle lane.

I'll requote my response to your original post

speed limit is what it implies...A LIMIT...especially if the weather conditions are poor then yes I'll drive at a speed that I feel I can have good control of the car. Traffic is a part of life and if it means everyone getting to their destination in one piece...too bad you should've left for work 5 minutes earlier if you knew the weather sucks/gonna be travelling on a one lane street.

[canali]

puh-lease.....the entire length of the lion's gate bridge takes, what 5 min or so to complete with traffic flowing freely, esp at that time of night?

would be interested to see someone time the actual crossing at speed limit late, late at night, to even verify such speculation...hell probably is even less than 5 min when you think about it under those free flowing conditions...probably takes a mere like 3-5 minutes....wow, big deal...such an excruciatingly long time, eh? NOT!

"Late at night to early morning hours" could mean from 10pm to 6 am. It will decrease the efficiency of the crossing tremendously. Imagine being stuck behind some bozo doing the speed limit or less through the entire section of the bridge. Unintended consequences would be passing unsafely in the closed middle lane.

[Marco911]

Really? Really?

Oh noes! People might get to their West Van houses a full minute later than they otherwise would have! Oh the humanity!

:rolleyes:

It's not just the bridge, it's the entire causeway section through Stanley Park also. There is a huge amount of frustration being caught behind a slow driver on LGB,

[Marco911]

puh-lease.....the entire length of the lion's gate bridge takes, what 5 min or so to complete with traffic flowing freely, esp at that time of night?

would be interested to see someone time the actual crossing at speed limit late, late at night, to even verify such speculation...hell probably is even less than 5 min when you think about it under those free flowing conditions...probably takes a mere like 3-5 minutes....wow, big deal...such an excruciatingly long time, eh? NOT!

You have moron drivers that think it is better to drive 10 km/h less than the speed limit. We had some of them pipe in here. You ASSUME that traffic will move at the speed limit. Traffic will move at the speed of the SLOWEST vehicle on that entire 5 km stretch. Ridiculous.

[Marco911]

I'll requote my response to your original post

speed limit is what it implies...A LIMIT...Traffic is a part of life and if it means everyone getting to their destination in one piece...too bad you should've left for work 5 minutes earlier if you knew the weather sucks/gonna be travelling on a one lane street.

What world do you live in? Out in the real world, speed limits are ROUTINELY IGNORED. Traffic often moves 20-30 km/h above the speed limit on many roads, including on LGB. If self-righteous idiots want to drive the speed limit, or lower, fine. Stay in the SLOW lane and let others pass. It won't affect anyone else's commute. If the middle lane is closed, we will all be forced to drive at the speed of the slowest vehicle. That is my point.

[Rdk1]

What world do you live in? Out in the real world, speed limits are ROUTINELY IGNORED. Traffic often moves 20-30 km/h above the speed limit on many roads, including on LGB. If self-righteous idiots want to drive the speed limit, or lower, fine. Stay in the SLOW lane and let others pass. It won't affect anyone else's commute. If the middle lane is closed, we will all be forced to drive at the speed of the slowest vehicle. That is my point.

just because it's routinely ignored doesn't mean it's right, or legal.... :|

I think if there's one thing the society is lacking right now, it's patience.

I don't always drive at the speed limit myself though, and it kinda is dangerous. especially in richmond :badpokerface:

[gars]

You have moron drivers that think it is better to drive 10 km/h less than the speed limit. We had some of them pipe in here. You ASSUME that traffic will move at the speed limit. Traffic will move at the speed of the SLOWEST vehicle on that entire 5 km stretch. Ridiculous.

honestly, it's 4kms from Georgia St to the loop at Marine Dr.

at 50km/h, it's 4.8mins.

at 75km/h, it's 3.2 mins.

I hate being stuck behind a slow driver just as much as the next guy... but sometimes, you have to just realize that you're only losing 1 1/2 minutes. Not worth losing sleep over.

[boostfever]

"Late at night to early morning hours" could mean from 10pm to 6 am. It will decrease the efficiency of the crossing tremendously. Imagine being stuck behind some bozo doing the speed limit or less through the entire section of the bridge. Unintended consequences would be passing unsafely in the closed middle lane.

some taxi drivers already do that both in the causeway and on the bridge.

[Marco911]

It is WASTEFUL to have a lane that is available but closed at night because the mayor happens to think that drivers are not competent enough to handle a middle lane. That does not make any sense. This accident was preventable, it was avoidable, and the root cause lies with the driver and the driver alone. He made an error, and now the rest of us have to deal with another typical fucked up Vancouver solution to traffic management.

[LP700-4]

What world do you live in? Out in the real world, speed limits are ROUTINELY IGNORED. Traffic often moves 20-30 km/h above the speed limit on many roads, including on LGB. If self-righteous idiots want to drive the speed limit, or lower, fine. Stay in the SLOW lane and let others pass. It won't affect anyone else's commute. If the middle lane is closed, we will all be forced to drive at the speed of the slowest vehicle. That is my point.

What if the middle lane is closed in the direction you are travelling? You gotta realize theres only 1 lane open, and its available to go both ways in traffic. In the end you'll still be stuck behind someone even if the middle lane is open but not in your direction.

And i dont think anything i've said above deserve a fail. They are all mere opinions, if you want to go speed down the middle lane then go for it, dont fuckin fail me for what i think would be suitable.

[Marco911]

honestly, it's 4kms from Georgia St to the loop at Marine Dr.

at 50km/h, it's 4.8mins.

at 75km/h, it's 3.2 mins.

I hate being stuck behind a slow driver just as much as the next guy... but sometimes, you have to just realize that you're only losing 1 1/2 minutes. Not worth losing sleep over.

Interesting math. A typical speed on LGB under very light traffic conditions with both lanes open is about 90-100 km/h.

[UFO]

Mayor calls for overnight closure of Lions Gate middle lane - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/12/02/bc-lions-gate-closures.html)

Knee jerk reaction to an isolated incident.

RIP to those involved, but get some long standing data to back up your motions. The late night closure works well for the Patullo bridge because it is 4 lanes squeezed into probably the same width as Lions Gate's 3 lanes. The Patullo had ongoing safety issues with the onramps, offramps, and the bridge deck itself. The Lion's Gate for all intents and purposes is safe and fine as it is.

Closing the middle lane because it tempts people to speed down it when there is no traffic? Can that even happen with all the left lane hoggers around nowadays? If you want to solve the problem set up a speed trap at the end of the bridge and make some money off of these speeders, like the Surrey end of the Patullo where its painstakingly hard to be driving at 50km/h.

[UFO]

Interesting math. A typical speed on LGB under very light traffic conditions with both lanes open is about 90-100 km/h.

Perfect for setting up speed traps and ticket + tow for excessive speed :D

[Marco911]

What if the middle lane is closed in the direction you are travelling? You gotta realize theres only 1 lane open, and its available to go both ways in traffic. In the end you'll still be stuck behind someone even if the middle lane is open but not in your direction.

And i dont think anything i've said above deserve a fail. They are all mere opinions, if you want to go speed down the middle lane then go for it, dont fuckin fail me for what i think would be suitable.

No, you make a reasonable point. It is much easier to accept because you are dealing with the constraints of the infrastructure. At some point, you know it will be in your favour when there will be 2 lanes both directions.

I still see many drivers tailgate the shit out of people driving the speed limit on the causeway.