[Lomac]

was in an empty bus and a mother of 2 told her kids that the future tickets from skytrains can not transfer to buses, the kids almost cried... i almost cried (they were very poor)

:okay:

:facepalm:

Should have told the mother that she had the wrong information and was getting worked up over nothing.

It's the paper transfers from a bus that can't be used on the Skytrain, not the compass cards from a skytrain pass...

[Gridlock]

And this is the problem with all the hysteria around this: not only are they getting worked up over an option that's more expensive anyway, they're getting worked up over WRONG information. :speechless:

Reading this thread, I have NO idea how that is remotely possible. :rolleyes:

[Graeme S]

:facepalm:

Should have told the mother that she had the wrong information and was getting worked up over nothing.

It's the paper transfers from a bus that can't be used on the Skytrain, not the compass cards from a skytrain pass...
To be fair, if the mom has a bus pass and was taking the kids out on a Sunday with the bonus ride-alongs, then she would be right. She won't be able to take them out for free once the Compass is in effect 'cause there's no free bonus rides for kids anymore.

While it is a winner for the most part, there are some things that we're losing from this upgrade.

[falcon]

Among other reasons, because paper tickets are disposable and you then lose the data-based advantage that Translink is gunning for with this set of upgrades. It's not just about the transition to tap or paperless tickets, it's about the amount of information that translink can get when they look at where you start, where you go, what transfers you make, how long you stay at each transfer point and so on and so forth.

Why? So they can do better planning on how to get you from point A to point B faster and more efficiently. Which is what everyone is constantly harping at them to do all the time.

In London you need to scan to leave. That would give them the exact info they're wanting. Also, that way if someone pays for "X station to X station" then stays on longer to try to cheat the system, the gate won't open to let them out.

[Graeme S]

In London you need to scan to leave. That would give them the exact info they're wanting. Also, that way if someone pays for "X station to X station" then stays on longer to try to cheat the system, the gate won't open to let them out.
Yes, I'm aware, and this has been discussed repeatedly in other parts of the thread. The difference, however, is that current tickets are simply a magnetic version of the 'zone printed/time printed' transfers. They contain no unique or distinct identifiers for trip tracing. Even if they introduced a swipe-in/swipe-out lane for the existing transfers, it would give them no information beyond 'person started in Zone 2 <Burnaby> and ended in Zone 2 <West Van>'. What it I decided to take the 130 and then the 135 and then the 250? Or the 130 and then the 239? Or the 130, the 35, the seabus and then the 246?

The point of the compass is not just to track how many people are using the busses like they do now; the point is to trace individual trips that are made in order to find out where there are existing route efficiencies or inefficiencies. Current transfers don't do this, and since it would cost $25m to upgrade all the busses to compass dispensers, or $9m to make changes to the skytrain system to accommodate the existing paper tickets (which may or may not trace anything beyond 'person got into the skytrain from a bus')...my existing point stands.

[Oleophobic]

Nothing to worry about if you register your card. Same idea as Starbucks' giftcards with balance protection IF you register

Yep but keep in mind if you lose your card and don't realize it and someone else uses up the balance before you report it you'll be out of luck.


Q: What happens if my card is lost or stolen?
A: If you register your Compass Card, you can take advantage of Balance Protection. Balance Protection ensures that any value stored on your card is protected. Once a card is reported lost or stolen, the balance will be "frozen" and transferred to a new card. Lost or stolen Compass Cards that aren't registered won't have Balance Protection, and can't be replaced.

Note: Only the balance on your card at the time the report is made can be protected, so make sure you report your card lost or stolen as soon as possible to prevent someone else from accessing the value on your card.

[gars]

I worked with this guy in London, who was paranoid that the Police are tracking his movement (granted, he was a shaddy guy who did shaddy dealings on the side with criminals), so he would never register his card. He left his wallet on the tube on day, and bitched about how he couldn't get back the £50 he had left on the card.

Personally, I hope that Translink will put in a maximum day limit - like a daypass worth is the maximum you can get charged in a day... London was nice like that - if you stayed within specific zones, you can keep on using your oyster all day and only get charged the maximum for those zones.

[UFO]

Yep but keep in mind if you lose your card and don't realize it and someone else uses up the balance before you report it you'll be out of luck.

With the way these things work, there shouldn't really be a reason for the card to have to leave your wallet/purse. In most cases if you lose the card you've probably lost other pieces of ID and cards as well. They can only hold someone's hand for so long.

[Nlkko]

Treat it like cash.
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[Traum]

Don't think this one has been posted yet, although someone has already mentioned how the Compass card will affect the poor and the marginalized a lot more so than other members in society:

TransLink's Compass fare card could create big challenges for Vancouver's poor | Georgia Straight (http://www.straight.com/news/412081/translinks-compass-fare-card-could-create-big-challenges-vancouvers-poor)

[adambomb]

Don't think this one has been posted yet, although someone has already mentioned how the Compass card will affect the poor and the marginalized a lot more so than other members in society:


Ministry of Social Development already has bus pass program for those who qualify. I doubt it will change with the compass card, if anything, it will make it easier to ensure those who require transit services are able to access those services. I think critics are using the "poor" as a scapegoat. :nerd:


To be eligible for the BC Bus Pass Program, the applicant must be living in a transit service area where the annual pass is available and meet one of the following criteria:

•Receiving Federal Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS), or the Federal Allowance, or the Allowance for the Survivor;
•18 – 64 years of age and receiving Persons with Disability (PWD) assistance from the Ministry of Social Development and Social Innovation;
•60 – 64 years of age and receiving Income Assistance from the Province of British Columbia;
•Over 65 years of age and would qualify for GIS but does not meet the Canadian 10 year residency requirement;
•18-64 years of age, living on a First Nations reserve and receiving disability assistance from the band office; or
•60 – 64 years of age, living on a First Nations reserve and receiving assistance from the band office.
Bus Pass Program | Programs and Services - Ministry of Social Development and Social Innovation, Province of British Columbia (http://www.mhr.gov.bc.ca/programs/bus-pass.html)

Then translink comes along and says...

Derek Zabel, a spokesperson for TransLink, said that meetings with stakeholders are ongoing. He argued that the Compass card will come with benefits for low-income earners, explaining that it will provide a 14-percent discount compared to cash payments.

Zabel described the initial $6 charge as a deposit, and added that it will include a “safety net”, allowing an individual to dip into a negative balance for one transit ride. “It’s guaranteeing people one safe trip home,” he said.

[Tapioca]

Don't think this one has been posted yet, although someone has already mentioned how the Compass card will affect the poor and the marginalized a lot more so than other members in society:

TransLink's Compass fare card could create big challenges for Vancouver's poor | Georgia Straight (http://www.straight.com/news/412081/translinks-compass-fare-card-could-create-big-challenges-vancouvers-poor)

We all know that Translink is in a cash crunch. No new revenues and taxpayers are not willing to pay any more. It's far easier to make tough decisions, like cutting special savings to the poor, when rolling out a new initiative like Compass rather than cutting those savings to the poor without a large initiative. It's PR 101.

It's shitty that the poor will be affected, but you can't please everyone. It's not Translink's responsibility to care about the poor.
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[StylinRed]

So the Compass Card system is going to cost $23million dollars more than originally expected

Also Translink will be playing Cubic $12 million dollars a year to run the system

Fare evasion was estimated at costing translink $10million dollars a year

Compass Card upgrade costing extra $23 million: TransLink | CTV British Columbia News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/compass-card-upgrade-costing-extra-23-million-translink-1.1493277)

[ae101]

ya the whole compass card thing is a joke & fail to me & i live in asia, it just doesnt really work in a country where most ppl here drive all the time

[Traum]

So the Compass Card system is going to cost $23million dollars more than originally expected

Also Translink will be playing Cubic $12 million dollars a year to run the system

Fare evasion was estimated at costing translink $10million dollars a year

Compass Card upgrade costing extra $23 million: TransLink | CTV British Columbia News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/compass-card-upgrade-costing-extra-23-million-translink-1.1493277)
The cost overruns doesn't surprise me one bit, but the ongoing negative savings just blows my mind. How do these Translink idiots negotiate on pricing? and how do they make decisions? :fulloffuck:

[melloman]

So the Compass Card system is going to cost $23million dollars more than originally expected

Also Translink will be playing Cubic $12 million dollars a year to run the system

Fare evasion was estimated at costing translink $10million dollars a year

Compass Card upgrade costing extra $23 million: TransLink | CTV British Columbia News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/compass-card-upgrade-costing-extra-23-million-translink-1.1493277)

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[Gridlock]

Translink said they didn't want to do it.

Technology and change aren't always necessarily good things. This stuff gets expensive to buy, and expensive to maintain. Especially when its government procurement. I won't ever forget that in the procurement documents that the operators of the original skytrain weren't allowed to claim savings from already operating part of the system in their proposal.

Lost respect that day.

[Traum]

Translink said they didn't want to do it.

What is it that Translink didn't want to do? Didn't want to pay $12M/yr? Didn't want the Compass system? or what?

[Gridlock]

Fare gates. They never wanted fare gates.

I'm with them.

Shitloads of money in renovations, a new system to maintain all to try and capture a smallish percentage of fare evaders(which is probably more than their estimates), which means the 100k/year/head police force now has nothing to do but stand there and look pretty.

Wait for that story to come up.

[Traum]

Ideally, with the fare gates in place, the need for having the same number of transit police officers is no longer there. Mind you, I am not calling for the complete elimination of the transit police. Their numbers just need to go down -- probably go way down. That would offset the costs of the fare gates, and the overall operating costs would probably go down.

Of course, being union members, these guys are not going to get laid off. So we are stuck with expensive fare gates AND expensive transit police...

[Spoon]

So the Compass Card system is going to cost $23million dollars more than originally expected

Also Translink will be playing Cubic $12 million dollars a year to run the system

Fare evasion was estimated at costing translink $10million dollars a year

Compass Card upgrade costing extra $23 million: TransLink | CTV British Columbia News (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/compass-card-upgrade-costing-extra-23-million-translink-1.1493277)

Guess the price of transit goes up next year. :fullofwin:

But if the overall quality of our transportation system is improved (mainly cleanliness), I don't mind paying more. In it's current state though, our transit system is pretty embarrassing because of how filthy it is.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Guess the price of transit goes up next year. :fullofwin:

But if the overall quality of our transportation system is improved (mainly cleanliness), I don't mind paying more. In it's current state though, our transit system is pretty embarrassing because of how filthy it is.

More like your carbon tax will go up.

[UFO]

Fare gates. They never wanted fare gates.

I'm with them.

Shitloads of money in renovations, a new system to maintain all to try and capture a smallish percentage of fare evaders(which is probably more than their estimates), which means the 100k/year/head police force now has nothing to do but stand there and look pretty.

Wait for that story to come up.

Compass goes well past fare gates though. For the first time they can mine the data generated by users tagging in and out, and use the data to adjust/improve service in areas that need it, theoretically anyways. And also to move towards a distance based fare system to replace the flawed zone system (but when the zones go, I'm sure there will be fanfare and hoopla about how awesome zones are and how 2% of people will be getting screwed with a distance based fare). That's where the real value in Compass lies

Currently, users with monthly passes just shows the driver when boarding. Translink has no idea whether somebody with a monthly pass uses their pass to just cover its cost, or 10 times its cost. As a business, how can you determine what a feasible and sustainable amount to charge for an unlimited use pass when you can't tell how often your users are using the service?

[Gridlock]

(but when the zones go, I'm sure there will be fanfare and hoopla about how awesome zones are and how 2% of people will be getting screwed with a distance based fare).

OMG...so true!

The marginalized poor! You know, the ones that need to travel from waterfront to surrey to collect cans and the zone system makes it more expensive.

[UFO]

There's no way they can win this one, the media simply will not allow it.

[tiger_handheld]

so i've been out of this thread for a bit but has anyone considered the following scenerio:


Joe takes the bus from metrotown to Dunbar every day.
Now he has a 2 zone bus pass to prove that he's a resident in zone 2 ( i know zones are not numbered but lets assume surrey and east is zone 3 , burnaby/tricities/richmond is zone 2 , vancouver is zone 1).
What is stopping joe from "tapping-in" at Metrotown bus loop at which point translink withdraws $5 (cost of a 3 zone fair) from his account and "tapping out" just prior to 49th at Boundary at which point transit will credit $2.50 back to his account resulting in a 1 zone fair of $2.50.
Then Joe continues to remain on the bus for the rest of the journey.

Loophole?

[Soundy]

Ideally, with the fare gates in place, the need for having the same number of transit police officers is no longer there. Mind you, I am not calling for the complete elimination of the transit police. Their numbers just need to go down -- probably go way down. That would offset the costs of the fare gates, and the overall operating costs would probably go down.

Of course, being union members, these guys are not going to get laid off. So we are stuck with expensive fare gates AND expensive transit police...

Of course, when little old ladies were getting mugged and young people stabbed at SkyTrain stations, everyone wanted to see more transit cops - and REAL transit cops with guns and Tazers, not just "Transit Security" rent-a-cops with bear spray and bad attitudes...

Couple years later when it comes out how much all those REAL cops are making, everyone's screaming about "why do we need so many of them?!" Well guess what, you want REAL cops, they want REAL cop pay.

Just like with the fare gates and elimination of the Zone system: everyone screamed for these things, and for them to be put in place ASAP... now that that's happening, everyone's pissed off with them and wants things back the way they were.

Well to quote Soundgarden, folks: the grass is always greener where the dogs are shitting.

[tonyzoomzoom]

so i've been out of this thread for a bit but has anyone considered the following scenerio:


Joe takes the bus from metrotown to Dunbar every day.
Now he has a 2 zone bus pass to prove that he's a resident in zone 2 ( i know zones are not numbered but lets assume surrey and east is zone 3 , burnaby/tricities/richmond is zone 2 , vancouver is zone 1).
What is stopping joe from "tapping-in" at Metrotown bus loop at which point translink withdraws $5 (cost of a 3 zone fair) from his account and "tapping out" just prior to 49th at Boundary at which point transit will credit $2.50 back to his account resulting in a 1 zone fair of $2.50.
Then Joe continues to remain on the bus for the rest of the journey.

Loophole?

Maybe they should install the "tap out" point at the bus station instead of the bus; that should close your loophole and everyone can get off the bus quickly without slowing down the bus.

[inv4zn]

Of course, when little old ladies were getting mugged and young people stabbed at SkyTrain stations, everyone wanted to see more transit cops - and REAL transit cops with guns and Tazers, not just "Transit Security" rent-a-cops with bear spray and bad attitudes...

Couple years later when it comes out how much all those REAL cops are making, everyone's screaming about "why do we need so many of them?!" Well guess what, you want REAL cops, they want REAL cop pay.

Just like with the fare gates and elimination of the Zone system: everyone screamed for these things, and for them to be put in place ASAP... now that that's happening, everyone's pissed off with them and wants things back the way they were.

Well to quote Soundgarden, folks: the grass is always greener where the dogs are shitting.

To summarize what you said, and to confirm what I've thought for quite a long time, Vancouver is full of fucking whiners. So many pricks complain for the sake of complaining, and base their decisions out of emotion and spite, rather than reasoning and logic.

One group will come up with a preposterous solution for a very small problem and raise all hell for something to be done. Then another group will come and find a very small flaw in that solution and then make a huge deal out of it.

Knee-jerk reactions and subsequent outrage; front page news all over the Sun and the Province, demanding action now!!

I disagree with some of the things Translink, and other large bodies, private or public, are doing. But Vancouver is one fucking hard city to please.

[Not really racist!]

Maybe they should install the "tap out" point at the bus station instead of the bus; that should close your loophole and everyone can get off the bus quickly without slowing down the bus.

95% of the busses if not all already have them installed....

if they were to change it now it'll probably cost millions or something, and then you'd have to install them at every single station, people would destroy them for fun I'd imagine

:badpokerface:

[Traum]

Of course, when little old ladies were getting mugged and young people stabbed at SkyTrain stations, everyone wanted to see more transit cops - and REAL transit cops with guns and Tazers, not just "Transit Security" rent-a-cops with bear spray and bad attitudes...

Actually, I never understood why Transit Police are needed to maintain safety and security on Skytrains and at the stations. Shouldn't that be the real police's job? As far as I am concerned, Transit Police's primary -- or maybe even only -- raison d'être is to enforce transit bylaws -- that means checking fares, keep the hooligans from doing stupid shxt at the station, etc. If shxt really happens, they should be calling the police for help.

Essentially, they should only be Transit Security, not Transit Police. It makes so much more sense to leave the policing to real and properly trained police.

[UFO]

To summarize what you said, and to confirm what I've thought for quite a long time, Vancouver is full of fucking whiners. So many pricks complain for the sake of complaining, and base their decisions out of emotion and spite, rather than reasoning and logic.

One group will come up with a preposterous solution for a very small problem and raise all hell for something to be done. Then another group will come and find a very small flaw in that solution and then make a huge deal out of it.

Knee-jerk reactions and subsequent outrage; front page news all over the Sun and the Province, demanding action now!!

I disagree with some of the things Translink, and other large bodies, private or public, are doing. But Vancouver is one fucking hard city to please.

I think every city has its group of whiners for whatever cause. But our media likes to feed these trolls which gets everybody else riled up and the cycle just perpetuates, maybe because we have no real news to report on or our media aren't good enough at investigating real news that matters to most people,

[tgill]

so i've been out of this thread for a bit but has anyone considered the following scenerio:


Joe takes the bus from metrotown to Dunbar every day.
Now he has a 2 zone bus pass to prove that he's a resident in zone 2 ( i know zones are not numbered but lets assume surrey and east is zone 3 , burnaby/tricities/richmond is zone 2 , vancouver is zone 1).
What is stopping joe from "tapping-in" at Metrotown bus loop at which point translink withdraws $5 (cost of a 3 zone fair) from his account and "tapping out" just prior to 49th at Boundary at which point transit will credit $2.50 back to his account resulting in a 1 zone fair of $2.50.
Then Joe continues to remain on the bus for the rest of the journey.

Loophole?
Nothing, you can already do this with the existing system on any bus that travels between zones by paying for a single zone and just staying on the bus.

I will say I've seen more random checks from Transit Security (note not the police) where they will get on the bus and check fares after the bus crosses the zone. This is seldom, but happens on the 49, 25 and 135 every once in a blue moon.

[Nlkko]

Actually, I never understood why Transit Police are needed to maintain safety and security on Skytrains and at the stations. Shouldn't that be the real police's job? As far as I am concerned, Transit Police's primary -- or maybe even only -- raison d'être is to enforce transit bylaws -- that means checking fares, keep the hooligans from doing stupid shxt at the station, etc. If shxt really happens, they should be calling the police for help.

Essentially, they should only be Transit Security, not Transit Police. It makes so much more sense to leave the policing to real and properly trained police.

Because most of the time, the presence of an authority figure is enough to deter petty crimes. And police officers don't grow on tree, somebody gotta recruit, train and pay for them. What's next? VPD and RCMP police force gotta scale down too? Quit whining.

[SoNaRWaVe]

so i've been out of this thread for a bit but has anyone considered the following scenerio:


Joe takes the bus from metrotown to Dunbar every day.
Now he has a 2 zone bus pass to prove that he's a resident in zone 2 ( i know zones are not numbered but lets assume surrey and east is zone 3 , burnaby/tricities/richmond is zone 2 , vancouver is zone 1).
What is stopping joe from "tapping-in" at Metrotown bus loop at which point translink withdraws $5 (cost of a 3 zone fair) from his account and "tapping out" just prior to 49th at Boundary at which point transit will credit $2.50 back to his account resulting in a 1 zone fair of $2.50.
Then Joe continues to remain on the bus for the rest of the journey.

Loophole?

it can and will work at major bus stops/loops. the only thing is, i'm not sure if you have to tap for the doors to open up on the busses. if you do, then you're hooped if you have to get off at a stop where no one is getting off because you already tapped out. if you tap to get out, you will now be charged again for a full 3 zone ticket. and now you have to find the nearest thing to tap again, to be charged a 1 zone ticket again.

second of all, like i said before, there are mobile readers that transit cops carry around to see if your card is legitimately validated for you to be on the transit system. but that seems to be more based on luck.

Actually, I never understood why Transit Police are needed to maintain safety and security on Skytrains and at the stations. Shouldn't that be the real police's job? As far as I am concerned, Transit Police's primary -- or maybe even only -- raison d'être is to enforce transit bylaws -- that means checking fares, keep the hooligans from doing stupid shxt at the station, etc. If shxt really happens, they should be calling the police for help.

Essentially, they should only be Transit Security, not Transit Police. It makes so much more sense to leave the policing to real and properly trained police.


transit police have full powers of VPD if i recall correctly. but their main focus is on the transit system (property, buses, skytrain etc.) where VPD resources are probably better used somewhere else where needed. besides, translink pays for transit police, so its really their "own authority"

[tiger_handheld]

I wish Translink implemented a system based on RFID instead of tap-in tap out.

no more tap in / out.
install rfid reader at stations - where people can walk in and out and rfid will do its job.

translink needs some young minds on their operations team!

i personally would've contracted Treo to run it- its basically the same system. Probably negotiated a deal for the 2 for 1 ass rape.

[Gunsmokez]

it can and will work at major bus stops/loops. the only thing is, i'm not sure if you have to tap for the doors to open up on the busses. if you do, then you're hooped if you have to get off at a stop where no one is getting off because you already tapped out. if you tap to get out, you will now be charged again for a full 3 zone ticket. and now you have to find the nearest thing to tap again, to be charged a 1 zone ticket again.

second of all, like i said before, there are mobile readers that transit cops carry around to see if your card is legitimately validated for you to be on the transit system. but that seems to be more based on luck.




transit police have full powers of VPD if i recall correctly. but their main focus is on the transit system (property, buses, skytrain etc.) where VPD resources are probably better used somewhere else where needed. besides, translink pays for transit police, so its really their "own authority"

Translink police and RCMP/VPD have the exact same amount of Legal power. They can arrest conduct investigations and take people to jail just like regular officers. Their main priority is the SKYTRAIN, they do not cover buses because, there just ain't enough resources/man power.

If a incident happens on the skytrain and say a RCMP officer does not want to handle the case, they hand it over to transit police. And they do the full investigation. And most if not always gets passed down to transit police. Also, transit police is bound by duty to still enforce the law even though it is not near a skytrain area as well. So, they can give you a ticket :P

[Tapioca]

Because most of the time, the presence of an authority figure is enough to deter petty crimes. And police officers don't grow on tree, somebody gotta recruit, train and pay for them. What's next? VPD and RCMP police force gotta scale down too? Quit whining.

I can certainly understand the argument about having a dedicated transit police force. In my opinion, it was a mistake to create a dedicated force. I base this opinion on riding buses and Skytrains for over 20 years. I've never witnessed any serious crimes. I've been approached by one person who was clearly high on drugs who uttered some sort of threat to me, but other than that, I've never been a victim of crime on the system. Mind you, I'm a guy, but I'm not an extraordinarily large guy. In my opinion, having dedicated police on the Skytrain system is overkill. I think the perception that Skytrain results in higher crime is just perception and not backed up any facts. Yes, there have been unfortunate cases of sexual harassment around stations, but were those incidents statistically significant? I reckon not. But, once you create something, you can never get rid of it, so it's really water under the bridge at this point.

I wish Translink implemented a system based on RFID instead of tap-in tap out.

no more tap in / out.
install rfid reader at stations - where people can walk in and out and rfid will do its job.

translink needs some young minds on their operations team!

i personally would've contracted Treo to run it- its basically the same system. Probably negotiated a deal for the 2 for 1 ass rape.

If RFID technology results in tolls costing $3 and up per use, I can't imagine what it would cost to implement that on the transit system where hundreds of thousands of users pass through the system per day.

Sure, RFID technology sounds great on paper, but how come no major transit system in the world uses RFID technology? Not the MTR, not the NYC subway, not Transport for London, not Paris, not Moscow Subway, not anywhere else?

[Gridlock]

I wish Translink implemented a system based on RFID instead of tap-in tap out.

no more tap in / out.
install rfid reader at stations - where people can walk in and out and rfid will do its job.

translink needs some young minds on their operations team!

i personally would've contracted Treo to run it- its basically the same system. Probably negotiated a deal for the 2 for 1 ass rape.

My favorite part about revscene is that the users here are smarter than every engineer in the world.

[tiger_handheld]

My favorite part about revscene is that the users here are smarter than every engineer in the world.

a 2 second google search provided this : Bus Riders in Hanau Use RFID to Go - RFID Journal (http://www.rfidjournal.com/articles/view?2276)

rfid / nfc on busses are possible...

thanks for making me spend 2 seconds to google to see such technology is possible :fullofwin:

[DragonChi]

:rukidding:

Compass uses RFID technology.

Edit: technically it doesn't. It uses contactless-smartcard tech. Which is more secure but a little more expensive than RFID. The main difference I can see is that RFID is read only. contactless smartcard has writable memory in addition to sending data. The principle of how the card and RFID work are similar though.

[CRS]

Maybe they should install the "tap out" point at the bus station instead of the bus; that should close your loophole and everyone can get off the bus quickly without slowing down the bus.

This isn't a bad idea if it weren't for the fact that some people are assholes and would vandalize/destroy all these "tap out" points in protest of something they know nothing about.

[nah]

You can steal data from unprotected RFID chips. That's why NEXUS cards come with a protection sleeve so people can't steal the data and clone your card.

[tgill]

a 2 second google search provided this : Bus Riders in Hanau Use RFID to Go - RFID Journal (http://www.rfidjournal.com/articles/view?2276)

rfid / nfc on busses are possible...

thanks for making me spend 2 seconds to google to see such technology is possible :fullofwin:
Its possible under our system as well.

What do you think contactless chips are? Just various standards under the same technology umbrella of NFC/RFID. Our readers already support MC, Visa and AMEX and theres nothing stopping them from supporting NFC phones if they so desire in the future.

http://abload.de/img/u-passbconcompasscard9mubu.png

[UFO]

it can and will work at major bus stops/loops. the only thing is, i'm not sure if you have to tap for the doors to open up on the busses. if you do, then you're hooped if you have to get off at a stop where no one is getting off because you already tapped out. if you tap to get out, you will now be charged again for a full 3 zone ticket. and now you have to find the nearest thing to tap again, to be charged a 1 zone ticket again.

I don't think the buses are smart enough to integrate the door controls with tapping out. I'm pretty sure the doors will continue to be activated by touch/motion like they currently are, that's why its possible to get off without tapping off and get charged the 3 zone rate.

[Lomac]

I don't think the buses are smart enough to integrate the door controls with tapping out. I'm pretty sure the doors will continue to be activated by touch/motion like they currently are, that's why its possible to get off without tapping off and get charged the 3 zone rate.

It's easy enough to integrate the door controls with tapping out. However, where the issue would arise is when multiple people are wanting to exit, so each person after the first would still need to tap out anyway. Combining the two techs would likely be a waste of money.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Co-Worker was a beta tester for the compass card system. From what he told me the system seems pretty good. Expect on buses, it takes a few seconds for to scan your card. I could see that having some issue on busy routes like the B-line. Sometimes it wouldn't even register that he tap the card so he had to do it again. So as Lomac suggested if there is a huge line up waiting to get on or off, it could cause some major delays.

[Nlkko]

That's why it's called beta testing.

[Mr.HappySilp]

That's why it's called beta testing.

It doesn't happen when at the skytrain station though. My guess is since the card system on the bus is remote (most likely using wireless?!) it takes a few seconds for the card reader on the bus to communicate with transit servers so there was a delay.

[shawnly1000]

so i've been out of this thread for a bit but has anyone considered the following scenerio:


Joe takes the bus from metrotown to Dunbar every day.
Now he has a 2 zone bus pass to prove that he's a resident in zone 2 ( i know zones are not numbered but lets assume surrey and east is zone 3 , burnaby/tricities/richmond is zone 2 , vancouver is zone 1).
What is stopping joe from "tapping-in" at Metrotown bus loop at which point translink withdraws $5 (cost of a 3 zone fair) from his account and "tapping out" just prior to 49th at Boundary at which point transit will credit $2.50 back to his account resulting in a 1 zone fair of $2.50.
Then Joe continues to remain on the bus for the rest of the journey.

Loophole?

Confirmed

Way to cheat Translink?s Compass card system discovered - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://t.co/khYas2rMa7)

So....new system whose goal/intent is to reduce fare evasion and presumably the need for transit security/police to do manual checks, but we'll see need transit security/police to do fare checks :badpokerface:

[CRS]

Cnfirmed

Way to cheat Translink?s Compass card system discovered - BC | Globalnews.ca (http://t.co/khYas2rMa7)

So....new system whose goal/intent is to reduce fare evasion and presumably the need for transit security/police to do manual checks, but we'll see need transit security/police to do fare checks :badpokerface:

How is this even news?

[gars]

so i've been out of this thread for a bit but has anyone considered the following scenerio:


Joe takes the bus from metrotown to Dunbar every day.
Now he has a 2 zone bus pass to prove that he's a resident in zone 2 ( i know zones are not numbered but lets assume surrey and east is zone 3 , burnaby/tricities/richmond is zone 2 , vancouver is zone 1).
What is stopping joe from "tapping-in" at Metrotown bus loop at which point translink withdraws $5 (cost of a 3 zone fair) from his account and "tapping out" just prior to 49th at Boundary at which point transit will credit $2.50 back to his account resulting in a 1 zone fair of $2.50.
Then Joe continues to remain on the bus for the rest of the journey.

Loophole?

It's no different from people who ride a bus from Waterfront to Metrotown, and only pay for a 1 zone fare. I've been on a bus or two where the driver actually stops at the boundary and goes through the bus and checks if everyone has paid for 2 zones.

[Traum]

Translink really need to fast track the abolishment of the current zone system, and adopt a more reasonable travel distance-based fare structure. Of course, given the track record of these fxxkers, that'll probably cost us another $10-12M... (and it would still be flawed...)