[G]

Anyone else excited for tomorrow?

Kind of curious as to see if they really are putting a fingerprint sensor on the phone or not...:suspicious:

[Energy]

I am!

Time to replace my 3 year old iPhone 4. The fingerprint sensor is all but confirmed.

[Spectre_Cdn]

I'm curious as to what the price for the 5C will be, and whether there will be an AWS variant.

The fingerprint sensor is supposedly going to be integrated into the Home button of the 5S.

[G]

I heard that home button integration too, but don't you guys find that a little too small for a fingerprint sensor? I mean, if it's going to be that small it might be similar to the laptop ones, but you will have to swipe down pretty hard. It will definitely be interesting to see!

I am due for my new hardware upgrade from my iphone4 so hopefully this doesn't disappoint!

[highfive]

Apparently, the "iwatch" might be coming out as well too?

[Mr.HappySilp]

They need to make the phone at least 4.6 inch. Using a note2 and when I play around with my friends iphone4s and iphone5, the screen feels so tiny and is so hard to type on that tiny keyboard.......

[lowside67]

Fuck that... if they make the phone any larger, I will be sticking with my iPhone 5. There are already a lot of options for somebody who wants to try and put a tablet masquerading as a phone in their dress pants...

[dangonay]

They have to be using fingerprint technology soon. Apple didn't dump $350 million to buy Authentec for nothing. Biggest problem they're likely having is making it usable and durable (remember the failure that was the Motorola Atrix fingerprint scanner?). I'm sure Apple doesn't want all their fingerprint sensors quitting 6 months after people start using them. Or becoming horribly inaccurate.

Rumor also has it that Apple's (Authentecs) new sensor requires "live" tissue in order to read. Meaning it's not going to be easily fooled as many current systems can be by using lifted/duplicated prints.

[MoBettah]

Apple better step up their game. This incremental update shit is bad for everyone, Android/BB/WP8 fans included.

[Spoon]

Apple better step up their game. This incremental update shit is bad for everyone, Android/BB/WP8 fans included.

Think it's just a repeat of history for Apple. First the PC market. Now mobile.

[Vale46Rossi]

I am pretty damn excited, have been using iOS 7.0 since the first day it was announced for beta.

Now they are at the point where it's not buggy and great for everyday!

I am just happy with a new OS and a faster phone :P

[bloodline129]

cant wait to see what hey offer :D since i just shattered my back plate on my i4 :P fuaark

[tiger_handheld]

anyone using ios 7 on iphone 4s? slow ? ?

[SoNaRWaVe]

i am sketched about the durability of this fingerprint technology on the home button. its already small as it is and its one of the most used button ever on that phone. and it will break so easily. i wonder how much it would cost to have to replace that stupid home button. its not cheap as it is already.

[twitchyzero]

They need to make the phone at least 4.6 inch. Using a note2 and when I play around with my friends iphone4s and iphone5, the screen feels so tiny and is so hard to type on that tiny keyboard.......

I hope they troll everyone tomorrow and reveal the iPhone 6...

6" 1200p :ahwow:

[!Yaminashi]

When Apple releases new software is it available for all ios devices or does it roll out for phones first, then ipods?

[LiquidTurbo]

In b4 SkinnyPupp Apple Hate

:troll:

Always fun to see what Apple unveils.. kind of like Christmas for grownups.. :D

[LiquidTurbo]

PS: Rumors for tomorrow incase anyone didn't know about MacRumors:

iPhone 5S Roundup: Everything We Know | MacRumors (http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-5s/)

[kkthind]

anyone think the camera quality gonna surpass the Samsung S4 13Mp with something better?

[Gucci Mane]

anyone using ios 7 on iphone 4s? slow ? ?

ya, the first 2 betas were quite slow on the 4s. not sure about the current ones, but ive heard ios7 overall on the 4s is going to suck. im personally just gonna upgrade to the 5s.

anyone think the camera quality gonna surpass the Samsung S4 13Mp with something better?

i highly doubt it, it''ll just be matched.

[xxxrsxxx]

I usually watch these via live blogs sites but does anyone know if any sites offer live video streams?

[G]

^I also want to know if there is a site to watch it.

I will most likely use engadget's live feed: http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/10/apple-iphone-liveblog-2013/


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/09/manuel-iphone-5s.jpg

[Acura604]

obviously we'll know in little bit over an hour... i'm running iOS7 beta6.. just wondering if the gold master will be OTA as well?

[xxxrsxxx]

i remember one year apple allowed apple devices to live stream the video

[3klipze]

iphone 5C looks like a 3G/3GS but in a more rectangle shape...

[Lomac]

Those are some ugly pastel colours on the 5C :heckno:

[Gucci Mane]

lol. they're out there for the kiddies and the girls. iphone 5 is discontinued.

[Gucci Mane]

theres a grey iphone 5s!!

[Vale46Rossi]

I'd buy my kids the 5c :P given that I have any kids.

[.Renn.Sport]

everything is leaked now, the keynotes are not surprising anymore.

[3klipze]

Wow. I don't want to own one now. That home button is a fortune to fix if it ever breaks

[.Renn.Sport]

Does China includes Hong Kong? hmmm

[Vale46Rossi]

Does China includes Hong Kong? hmmm


Hong Kong was on the launch day since iPhone 5 so I am pretty damn sure it is.

[sdubfid]

iphone 5s scan the burglar fingerprint and dispatch the fbi or clone you for centipad "experience" according to user agreement

[Presto]

Fingerprint data will be sent to the NSA for safekeeping. :troll:

[.Renn.Sport]

pretty disappointed, the only reason they made the 5C is cuz the 5 was just too expensive to make to be sold at $99, and no more slate for 5S was just the black casing had too much defects in production.

[dangonay]

A7 64 bit processor with iOS 7 kernel, libraries and drivers updated to 64 bit. :eek:

[Gucci Mane]

5c is still expensive off contract. $549 for 16gb

[Vale46Rossi]

Infinity Blade III Reborn Trailer - YouTube

[Acura604]

5c is still expensive off contract. $549 for 16gb

iPhone 5c - Buy iPhone 5c in white, pink, yellow, blue, or green - Apple Store (Canada) (http://store.apple.com/ca/buy-iphone/iphone5c)

yah....$599 actually...

[Gucci Mane]

too much money

[Vale46Rossi]

5c comes out earlier than 5s eh.

[ForbiddenX]

Nokia is funny

https://twitter.com/nokia_uk/status/377483408043036672

[DanHibiki]

Damn I was hoping ios7 would be released today.

As for the 5s. I probably won't upgrade from my 5 but that touch sensor is enticing. I always hated pass code and entering my password.

Too bad the touch sensor can't be extended to all 3rd apps and websites safely.
Posted via RS Mobile

[Acura604]

... i'd rather upg my ipad3 to a A7 enabled ipad when they are released... and keep my iPhone5 until the next release - ip6.

the 5C is a re-branded 5 although are there battery life improvements?

the 5S - 3 things appealed to me: (not enough to upg)
-fingerprint reader for quick n easy no-password access
-slow motion vid edits (3rd party app can do this?)
-image stabilization


iOS7 beta is super smooth on the ip5 so I wont have LAG issues like users that will be on the 4/4S.

EDIT: predictions on used ip5 prices on Craigslist...will they still hover at $450+

[dangonay]

Nokia is funny

https://twitter.com/nokia_uk/status/377483408043036672

Might have actually been funny if Apple didn't show line-ups of iPods in similar colors from long before the first Lumia ever came out.

[DanHibiki]

... i'd rather upg my ipad3 to a A7 enabled ipad when they are released... and keep my iPhone5 until the next release - ip6.

the 5C is a re-branded 5 although are there battery life improvements?

the 5S - 3 things appealed to me: (not enough to upg)
-fingerprint reader for quick n easy no-password access
-slow motion vid edits (3rd party app can do this?)
-image stabilization


iOS7 beta is super smooth on the ip5 so I wont have LAG issues like users that will be on the 4/4S.

EDIT: predictions on used ip5 prices on Craigslist...will they still hover at $450+

It records at 120frames which couldn't be done before so 3rd party apps weren't able to do slow mo quite the same way.

I don't think u can get much on cl anymore. People are picking up on the online preordering and now that china is added to launch day, there goes most of the Chinese mass buyers here.
Posted via RS Mobile

[Bender Unit]

... i'd rather upg my ipad3 to a A7 enabled ipad when they are released... and keep my iPhone5 until the next release - ip6

Same here.
Can't wait to upgrade to IOS7 on 18th

iPhone 5C is the centerpiece of the event.
Not worth to upgrade from 5 -> 5S to majority.

[dangonay]

5C is too expensive. They should have sold it at somewhere around $400-450. At that price they would have sold a gazillion of them.

Now I'm really curious about what the A7X in the iPad is going to be like.

[.Renn.Sport]

iOS7 GM is out.... still thinking if i should upgrade it or not... wasn't impressed with the beta at all

[Acura604]

I love ios7... cant ever even look at ios6. ...but GM not OTA damn... i'll have to find a way to snag it.


http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8094/xo1f.jpg

[StylinRed]

So everyone seems to be taking the Nokia path of Plastic cases and Multiple colours



Am not interested in the fingerprint scanner more NSA crap ;)

[Lomac]

I'll admit I'm not a fan of fingerprint scanners. I used to work for a company that had 'em in order to gain access to a few sections of the building. The owner was super proud of them and boasted how they were unhackable and all that jazz. So one day we managed to snag a fingerprint off of his mug and walked into his office after using that print. :lol Needless to say he quickly changed all fingerprint scanners with something a little more conventional. Now obviously in this case it's designed more for convenience than actual security, but I feel that it's more of a gimmick than anything else.

The processor specs are pretty good for the 5s. Would have been nice to see them try a bit harder with the camera and opt for 120fps in 1080p instead of 720p, but that'll probably be in the 6. Also would have liked them to introduce NFC. Curious why they still haven't done that.

Also, that gold colour? :heckno: Out of all the colours available to them, gold is one of the gaudiest they could have chosen.

[DanHibiki]

The gold will be popular amongst females. A few girls on fb were like "OMG gold! I'm sold!"

I'm also gonna stick with my 5 until something more remarkable is introduced. Ios7 will already keep the older phones fresh a little while longer.
Posted via RS Mobile

[murd0c]

Everything gangster in the ghetto is going to be rocking a gold iPhone so it's a smart move on apples point lol

[dangonay]

I'll admit I'm not a fan of fingerprint scanners. I used to work for a company that had 'em in order to gain access to a few sections of the building. The owner was super proud of them and boasted how they were unhackable and all that jazz. So one day we managed to snag a fingerprint off of his mug and walked into his office after using that print. :lol Needless to say he quickly changed all fingerprint scanners with something a little more conventional. Now obviously in this case it's designed more for convenience than actual security, but I feel that it's more of a gimmick than anything else.

The processor specs are pretty good for the 5s. Would have been nice to see them try a bit harder with the camera and opt for 120fps in 1080p instead of 720p, but that'll probably be in the 6. Also would have liked them to introduce NFC. Curious why they still haven't done that.

Also, that gold colour? :heckno: Out of all the colours available to them, gold is one of the gaudiest they could have chosen.
The iPhone sensor is about security. Apparently it requires "live flesh" in order to work. You can't just use a duplicate of a print to gain access. This is what Authentec was working on when Apple bought them and is described in some of Apples recent patent applications.

The fingerprint data is encrypted and stored inside the A7 chip (what Apple calls the "enclave"). It never leaves the phone or gets uploaded to any servers.

[Lomac]

The iPhone sensor is about security. Apparently it requires "live flesh" in order to work. You can't just use a duplicate of a print to gain access. This is what Authentec was working on when Apple bought them and is described in some of Apples recent patent applications.

The fingerprint data is encrypted and stored inside the A7 chip (what Apple calls the "enclave"). It never leaves the phone or gets uploaded to any servers.

Oh ours had pulse and heat sensors as well. A thin gelatin mold put over a fingertip was more than enough to fool it. But the chances are of someone going through all that trouble to make a mold for a simple phone is pretty slim.

[dangonay]

Oh ours had pulse and heat sensors as well. A thin gelatin mold put over a fingertip was more than enough to fool it. But the chances are of someone going through all that trouble to make a mold for a simple phone is pretty slim.
That might work and I'm sure people are going to try it out. There are countless methods to try and fool fingerprint scanners, but they have all been applied to older technology. My understanding of this is that living tissue it not detected by heat or pulse but by the slight electrical charges that are present in a finger. Nowhere in the patents I read is there any mention of heat or pulse detection.

[LiquidTurbo]

Wtf? $549??
Posted via RS Mobile

[DanHibiki]

Wtf? $549??
Posted via RS Mobile

"Affordable"
Posted via RS Mobile

[willystyle]

^ $599

[MTV Cribs]

If the 5C was $300-$400 I would have bought 4 of them to replace the iPhone 4. But at $600 I'm not going to buy any at all. The 5C at $600 makes the 5S at $720 a way better deal.
Posted via RS Mobile

[willystyle]

The most amusing aspect of the 5C is that it is Apple's weapon to better compete with mid-level Android phones in China, India, and other developing countries, where Android dominates in those markets.

However, at a $600 price point with lacking hardware specs, how will they compete with mid-entry Android phones at $300-400 with the same iPhone 5C specs?

They can't compete in the high end either, as all the high-end Android phones have better specs for the same price than the lesser equipped iPhone 5C. Lol

[kwy]

Fingerprint scanner is gimmicky just like face unlock on Android, except when it breaks it'll rape your wallet as well. How very Apple.

[MarkyMark]

I can't believe the 5C costs so much, i thought it would be like a Nexus priced phone.

[.Renn.Sport]

updated my 4S to iOS7 GM, surprisingly its running very smooth compared to beta, in fact its even running better than iOS6!

[G]

I don't know about you guys, but Apple has been pretty good in terms of replacing stuff for free in my experiences (when my home button didn't work, and dead pixel on screen). IMO I wouldn't worry too much if the scanner breaks... just more of a nuisance

[threezero]

I don't know about you guys, but Apple has been pretty good in terms of replacing stuff for free in my experiences (when my home button didn't work, and dead pixel on screen). IMO I wouldn't worry too much if the scanner breaks... just more of a nuisance

only if its under warranty. my home button on my old ip4 broke exactly a month after its out of warranty, no love from apple

[mos_skeeto]

I actually think pricing themselves out of the low-medium range is good for the brand. They're the LV and Benz of cell phones especially with the new bling color.

[twitchyzero]

How I feel about the reveal

Apple knows how to make their chips...64-bit SoC that drive games that rival current-gen console games...2 years ago you had ShadowGun which was comparable to current-gen launch titles...so mobile gaming scene pretty much caught up 4-5 years of console graphical fidelty in about 2 years.

5C is overpriced...$599 is NOT entry-level

sorry for the tin-foil hats but I wont be surprised if something like this is happening behind the scenes.

Fingerprint data will be sent to the NSA for safekeeping. :troll:

[willystyle]

I actually think pricing themselves out of the low-medium range is good for the brand. They're the LV and Benz of cell phones especially with the new bling color.
The reason why they released an iPhone 5C model was to COMPETE in the mid-entry sector because Android's global dominance is currently above 80% mobile market share now, mostly from entry to mid-level price point handsets in developing countries. Not to mention, the sale of the iPhone 4, 4S, and 5 has been slumping in Europe due to the financial crisis over there. Europeans arent spending as much money on high-end handsets like they used to.

APPLE HAD TO DO something to prevent further decrease in market share, so they released the 5C to compete with Android's mid-entry level phones, even if that means that they will have to sacrifice some of the revenue generated from the sale of their high-end device (iPhone 5S).

As we witness today, there's no chance in hell Apple will pick up much sale from the 5C without price reduction. No one in their right mind would buy a 5C over a S4/HTC One for about the same price (for example).

If iPhone 5/5S is a Mercedes-Benz then what's a Galaxy S4/Note 3? Ferrari and Lamborghini?

[van_city23]

any word on how much ram is going to be in the phones? i haven't seen it listed anywhere. Would low ram make a difference with the 64 bit chip or does it need more than 1g of ram which was in the 5 to actually notice a difference?

[willystyle]

any word on how much ram is going to be in the phones? i haven't seen it listed anywhere. Would low ram make a difference with the 64 bit chip or does it need more than 1g of ram which was in the 5 to actually notice a difference?
64-bit CPU and OS is useless and unnecessary (for now) when you have under 4GB of RAM, which is essentially what these phones will have.

[Hondaracer]

so does the 5 now suppost ios7?

[DanHibiki]

Ios 7 is iPhone 4 and up so yes.

Available sept 18 ;_;
Posted via RS Mobile

[mos_skeeto]

The reason why they released an iPhone 5C model was to COMPETE in the mid-entry sector because Android's global dominance is currently above 80% mobile market share now, mostly from entry to mid-level price point handsets in developing countries.

Apple's formula is usually something like this:

Awesome new phone comes out (woo wow cool)
Old phone drops a level (meh)
Legacy phone sticks around for some reason (for grandpa or 15 year old billy's first phone)

The 5C is set up to slot right in the middle of the pack. If they followed tradition, the last model 5 would be in the middle slot. Instead they came up with a colorful phone to replace the 5 to slide in the middle.

If any phone is for mid-entry it would be the outdated 4S which they still sell for $450.

Since everything was leaked except the price, all tech blogs have been over analyzing the models for the past few weeks calling on the 5C to be Apple's answer to the many android devices on the market. If the 5C was to fight the B-level android phones, this would be an epic fail.

[terkan]

how long till news of iphone 5s robbing and the guy got his finger chopped off?

[v_tec]

Craigslist + Surrey :fuckthatshit:

**** IPHONE 5S WHITE + COMES WITH ALL NEW ACCESSORIES + BOX **** (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rds/mob/4057711657.html)

[DanHibiki]

THRO IN A CASE
Posted via RS Mobile

[LiquidTurbo]

Anyone else think the 5c Cases are utter terrible? WTF were they thinking?

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18zqzthv28x5fjpg/ku-bigpic.jpg

[shenmecar]

Anyone else think the 5c Cases are utter terrible? WTF were they thinking?

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18zqzthv28x5fjpg/ku-bigpic.jpg

First thing I thought of:

http://a5.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple4/v4/7a/e7/ad/7ae7ad30-f75e-1082-1d6e-052a8e9f86ba/screen568x568.jpeghttp://a2.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple/v4/da/7c/16/da7c16c5-3f34-faa6-6470-7ceddf5ac7f1/screen568x568.jpeg

[Harvey Specter]

The iPhone use to have the "wow" factor, now it's whatever. Shame really because iPhone was the pioneer on so many technological fronts when Steve Jobs was alive.

[sonick]

As mentioned by others, Apple's strategy with the iPhone 5C is brilliant. Specs are exactly the same as the old 5 and is selling for what the old 5 would've sold for when the 5S released.

Essentially, Apple gets to market an old product as a new product, WITH larger profit margins than the old due to a cheaper to manufacture plastic casing AND no sales interference with the release of the new 5S since they'll cater to different markets. Fucking business genius.

[SkinnyPupp]

As mentioned by others, Apple's strategy with the iPhone 5C is brilliant. Specs are exactly the same as the old 5 and is selling for what the old 5 would've sold for when the 5S released.

Essentially, Apple gets to market an old product as a new product, WITH larger profit margins than the old due to a cheaper to manufacture plastic casing AND no sales interference with the release of the new 5S since they'll cater to different markets. Fucking business genius.
Yup, usually they offer the old model for "$99" (bka $550), but this time they are giving you one that is much (MUCH) cheaper to manufacture for the same price, copying Nokia's design, and calling it 'innovative'

[willystyle]

As mentioned by others, Apple's strategy with the iPhone 5C is brilliant. Specs are exactly the same as the old 5 and is selling for what the old 5 would've sold for when the 5S released.

Essentially, Apple gets to market an old product as a new product, WITH larger profit margins than the old due to a cheaper to manufacture plastic casing AND no sales interference with the release of the new 5S since they'll cater to different markets. Fucking business genius.
I'm not as optimistic as you are. I don't think many would fall for the 5C. Simply put, the device is only $100 cheaper than the 5S on contract, and you're getting a better phone and don't need sport the 5C, looking like a second-class citizen. Most people don't buy the iPhone at MSRP anyway, so the difference of the off-contract price is insignificant.

[wreck]

The iPhone use to have the "wow" factor, now it's whatever. Shame really because iPhone was the pioneer on so many technological fronts when Steve Jobs was alive.

i think the phone industry as a whole has hit a bottleneck in terms of both software (usefull) and hardware.

what more can they do (innovation/wow factor wise) to current phones aside from wireless charging?

i consider the ip5s a let down, yet at the same time can't think of anything more i'd want aside from maybe wireless charging.

[willystyle]

i think the phone industry as a whole has hit a bottleneck in terms of both software (usefull) and hardware.

what more can they do (innovation/wow factor wise) to current phones aside from wireless charging?

i consider the ip5s a let down, yet at the same time can't think of anything more i'd want aside from maybe wireless charging.
How about better battery life without sacrificing weight and size? These flagship phones aren't exactly battery-friendly. They should make these phones last as long as dummy phones could.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'll admit I'm not a fan of fingerprint scanners. I used to work for a company that had 'em in order to gain access to a few sections of the building. The owner was super proud of them and boasted how they were unhackable and all that jazz. So one day we managed to snag a fingerprint off of his mug and walked into his office after using that print. :lol Needless to say he quickly changed all fingerprint scanners with something a little more conventional. Now obviously in this case it's designed more for convenience than actual security, but I feel that it's more of a gimmick than anything else.

The processor specs are pretty good for the 5s. Would have been nice to see them try a bit harder with the camera and opt for 120fps in 1080p instead of 720p, but that'll probably be in the 6. Also would have liked them to introduce NFC. Curious why they still haven't done that.

Also, that gold colour? :heckno: Out of all the colours available to them, gold is one of the gaudiest they could have chosen.
All good points. Fingerprint is just a replacement to a PIN code, but that's fine. It's not as useless as Siri, but it's not a crazy feature either.. just a nice useful improvement.

The processor is flat out incredible... I can't wait to see it benchmarked. However it is wasted on such a small screen.

The dual LED, with one cool one warm, should also significantly help photos look better.. not that any camera phone indoor pictures ever look very good to begin with, but should be a noticeable improvement.

As for the colour, it's pretty much there for one market, and one market only. (and those people will almost certainly be covering it up with knockoff Angry Birds covers :lawl: )

[Ludepower]

Garbage batteries...invest in battery technology god dammit...it's 2013 and battery life is no better than phones 10 years ago.

Mind you these phones are more demanding...still no excuse why I have to charge my phone 3 times a day....seems like it's constantly being hooked into a charger all effing day.

[LiquidTurbo]

i am sketched about the durability of this fingerprint technology on the home button. its already small as it is and its one of the most used button ever on that phone. and it will break so easily. i wonder how much it would cost to have to replace that stupid home button. its not cheap as it is already.

Yes, before producing hundreds of millions of these devices, no one checked/calculated the reliability of these mass-produced sensors.

Give me a break.

[sonick]

Yes, before producing hundreds of millions of these devices, no one checked/calculated the reliability of these mass-produced sensors.

Give me a break.

Totally... That is definitely something that an experienced technology company with YEARS of cellular mobile technology, like Motorola, would NOT overlook...

- ATRIX - Fingerprint Smart Sensor not working - Motorola Support (https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/63632)

Fingerprint reader problem (http://www.atrixforums.com/forum/motorola-atrix-help/9522-fingerprint-reader-problem.html)

Motorola Atrix 4g - Problem with Finger Print - xda-developers (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032000)

[LiquidTurbo]

I am surprised when people don't trust engineering and engineers, especially on a company of this magnitude.

The number of design reviews and revisions R&D, testing, scrutiny, torture testing. These things aren't produced without massive amounts of thought and engineering.

[MarkyMark]

You're holding it wrong.

[shenmecar]

Garbage batteries...invest in battery technology god dammit...it's 2013 and battery life is no better than phones 10 years ago.

Mind you these phones are more demanding...still no excuse why I have to charge my phone 3 times a day....seems like it's constantly being hooked into a charger all effing day.

To put up with the more demanding phones, they HAVE improved on battery technology. My SE T610 from 10 years ago had a tiny 770 mAh battery. Many flagship these days have a 2000+ mAh battery in it. It is possible to make a phone that last for weeks on a single charge. It just wouldn't have any other marketable features. Especially in such a fierce marketplace.

[freakshow]

I am surprised when people don't trust engineering and engineers, especially on a company of this magnitude.

The number of design reviews and revisions R&D, testing, scrutiny, torture testing. These things aren't produced without massive amounts of thought and engineering.

I'd love to believe that.. but 75% of the iPhone 4 owners I know have broken Home buttons. And that button was nowhere near as complex as the new one.

If they can't get a piece of plastic right, they don't exactly deserve the confidence of getting their fingerprint reader home button right.

[LiquidTurbo]

I'd love to believe that.. but 75% of the iPhone 4 owners I know have broken Home buttons. And that button was nowhere near as complex as the new one.

If they can't get a piece of plastic right, they don't exactly deserve the confidence of getting their fingerprint reader home button right.

I had the iPhone4 for 2 years and the never had an issue with the home button. I was kind of a heavy user too.

The 4 is 3 years old now. The average user wakes their phone dozens of times a day. Let's say twice per hour. 32 times a day.

35,000 clicks later...

Tried to think of the people I know that still have the 4... I bet if you the real number is probably like 10% have broken home buttons, the majority are probably from moisture, dropping, dirt/grime (like a dirty keyboard button).

I'm more interested in what happens if a 5S user wants to unlock their phone when the scanner breaks.. :D

[dangonay]

64-bit CPU and OS is useless and unnecessary (for now) when you have under 4GB of RAM, which is essentially what these phones will have.

I have seen half a dozen articles today on various tech sites saying basically the same thing (some even claiming the A7 is nothing more than marketing and being 64 bit will give no advantages to the user at all). Now I know who to ignore for tech news. There are a lot of benefits to having a 64 bit processor, and only one of them is being able to address over 4GB of memory.

I wonder if any of these writers has ever seen a Sun or SGI workstation with a true 64 bit processor (not one of those 32/64 bit hybrids) running on 256, 64 or even 16MB of RAM? Perhaps they should go back in time and tell everyone using them how useless their systems are since they can't access 4GB of RAM.


The bottom line is the A7 is 2X as fast (CPU/GPU) as the A6 while still fitting in the same space and giving the same battery life. That's quite the accomplishment. The fact Apple custom designed this chip (instead of using a reference ARM design like most others do) is even more impressive. Looks like those PA Semi and Intrinsity acquisitions are really paying off.

[LiquidTurbo]

I have seen half a dozen articles today on various tech sites saying basically the same thing (some even claiming the A7 is nothing more than marketing and being 64 bit will give no advantages to the user at all). Now I know who to ignore for tech news. There are a lot of benefits to having a 64 bit processor, and only one of them is being able to address over 4GB of memory.

I wonder if any of these writers has ever seen a Sun or SGI workstation with a true 64 bit processor (not one of those 32/64 bit hybrids) running on 256, 64 or even 16MB of RAM? Perhaps they should go back in time and tell everyone using them how useless their systems are since they can't access 4GB of RAM.


The bottom line is the A7 is 2X as fast (CPU/GPU) as the A6 while still fitting in the same space and giving the same battery life. That's quite the accomplishment. The fact Apple custom designed this chip (instead of using a reference ARM design like most others do) is even more impressive. Looks like those PA Semi and Intrinsity acquisitions are really paying off.

Explain like I'm 5, what is the benefit of a 64bit processor pertaining to a phone?

Irregardless of specs, how does 64bit 5S benefit the end user more than the 32bit 5?

I have not read any article that explains this yet.

[dangonay]

I had the iPhone4 for 2 years and the never had an issue with the home button. I was kind of a heavy user too.

I've owned 9 iPhones (between my wife and I) and the home button went on 2 of them (coincidentally the ones the kids used the most).

I'm more interested in what happens if a 5S user wants to unlock their phone when the scanner breaks.. :D

Not sure if serious. You'd use a PIN in that case (or when wearing gloves or a Band-Aid).

[vyrospec]

Anyone else think the 5c Cases are utter terrible? WTF were they thinking?

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18zqzthv28x5fjpg/ku-bigpic.jpg

literally Crocs for iphones

[dangonay]

Explain like I'm 5, what is the benefit of a 64bit processor when the phone itself contains max 2GB of ram?

Irregardless of specs, how does 64bit 5S benefit the end user more than the 32bit 5?

Explain it like you're 5? That could be tough without raising other questions, but I'll try...

Let's say you're a lawyer studying a case with thousands of pages of documents. Your desk (processor registers) can only hold 4 pages at a time to read. When you want to look at another page you need to remove one of the 4, put it back in the filing cabinet (RAM or hard drive) and dig up another one. Now imagine your desk can hold 8 pages at once (going from 32 to 64 bit). You're still going to have to make a trip back to the filing cabinet for other pages, but you can work on twice as many at the same time (get more work done).

If you saw the A7 slide from the keynote you'll notice they mentioned "2X the registers and 2X the floating point registers". Registers are memory locations in the processor that are the temporary working area the CPU uses (or directly acts on). It is the fastest of all memory. After registers comes the different levels of cache (L1, L2...) and finally RAM. Moving to 64 bit basically doubles the registers (though this is not always the case with all processor designs).

A problem you could have is if your mind works in such a way that you can only read a single page at a time. On your smaller desk it means spots for 3 pages aren't being utilized while on your bigger desk you're wasting 7 spots (this is a gross over-simplification, but I think you get the idea).

So if your software isn't coded properly to take advantage then there's no benefit, and often a drawback (performance/memory penalty). To get maximum benefits will require you to make some modifications to your code to optimize for the additional registers. Or take the easy way out and flip the "64 Bit" switch in the compiler and let it do everything for you. :)

[sdubfid]

what kind of real life applications on a phone is this useful for?
I just call, text, internet,take pictures and enter 4 digit pins. Is it for gaming or something?

[Akinari]

I've been an iPhone user since the 3G. I just finished watching the keynote and I can't say I'm impressed. I know it's an "S" phone so it was a given that the phone would look very similar if not the same as the previous phone, but I dunno, I really wanting to be "wowed" by the 5s.

I'm probably going to get shot in this thread for saying this, but for once in my life I'm actually considering making the switch to Android (for the Xperia Z1) :derp: but iOS7 looks so drop dead gorgeous I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[SkinnyPupp]

I have seen half a dozen articles today on various tech sites saying basically the same thing (some even claiming the A7 is nothing more than marketing and being 64 bit will give no advantages to the user at all). Now I know who to ignore for tech news. There are a lot of benefits to having a 64 bit processor, and only one of them is being able to address over 4GB of memory.

I wonder if any of these writers has ever seen a Sun or SGI workstation with a true 64 bit processor (not one of those 32/64 bit hybrids) running on 256, 64 or even 16MB of RAM? Perhaps they should go back in time and tell everyone using them how useless their systems are since they can't access 4GB of RAM.


The bottom line is the A7 is 2X as fast (CPU/GPU) as the A6 while still fitting in the same space and giving the same battery life. That's quite the accomplishment. The fact Apple custom designed this chip (instead of using a reference ARM design like most others do) is even more impressive. Looks like those PA Semi and Intrinsity acquisitions are really paying off.
It's pretty interesting that the one huge change is being ignored, with everyone focusing on the cheap ugly plastic phones and relatively useless fingerprint sensor. Does anyone else even have an ARMv8? I don't think so

I think this shows that most people don't really care about performance - everything is pretty much 'caught up' in the iphone's price range by now anyway.. If you buy an $800 (or "$200") phone then you know it'll be fast enough. For some power users this is good, and for tech people it's downright impressive. But for most end users, I think they would have liked to see a bigger screen and better battery life instead.

Because truthfully, having "more registers" means nothing to the end user. Sure, PvZ2 levels will load much faster, and there is much more potential for multitasking. But it's not a multitasking device. This will mean a lot more on tablets, and hopefully IOS7 isn't all about looks because they need do to a lot more to make it as useful as Windows tablets. As much as they suck now, they are certainly more suited to doing tasks rather than goofing around with Smurfville and watching videos on an ipad.

Maybe the 64 bit SOC will make it a multitasking device, but then you have the issue of segmentation, something Apple tried so hard to avoid in the past. It got really bad with the introduction of the iphone 4, but now you have two completely different products pretty much.

[VK79]

I've been an iPhone user since the 3G. I just finished watching the keynote and I can't say I'm impressed. I know it's an "S" phone so it was a given that the phone would look very similar if not the same as the previous phone, but I dunno, I really wanting to be "wowed" by the 5s.

I'm probably going to get shot in this thread for saying this, but for once in my life I'm actually considering making the switch to Android (for the Xperia Z1) :derp: but iOS7 looks so drop dead gorgeous I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Somewhat in the same boat, bought into the whole apple thing (mbp,mba,ipads,touch,phones,padminis etc) and am somewhat disappointed that there is no feature that I was hoping for (better battery life, 128gb). ios7 is slick and I will prolly enjoy it on my 4s,padmini,pad,touch etc but I'm going to try the Note 3 to see if Android is my thing.

[.Renn.Sport]

Just notice that both the 5c and 5s sold in HK and China now support China Mobile's LTE network! I could finally say good bye to GPRS when I'm in China! This is probably the best feature of the new iPhones that for me is a must!

[LiquidTurbo]

I am utterly amazed that 16GB is still the baseline model. Ram prices are so cheap, why not roll out 32/64/128 and make yourself a market differentiator?

[Lomac]

Explain like I'm 5, what is the benefit of a 64bit processor pertaining to a phone?

Irregardless of specs, how does 64bit 5S benefit the end user more than the 32bit 5?

I have not read any article that explains this yet.

A tiny part of me dies every time I see this word. :okay:

[MTV Cribs]

The "affordable" 5C was made for emerging smart phone markets such as China but the 5C in China cost more then the 5S is North America. And they make the phone LOL
Posted via RS Mobile

[Acura604]

so far... iOS 7 Beta Gold Master:

-very stable
-rbc app used to crash on previous beta, it does not any more
-twitter feeds when loaded in safari used to crash, it does not any more
-refreshing new ringtones
-nice new wallpapers
-very smooth and fast on iPhone5
-Messaging use to crash, it does not any more
-auto updating of apps is great.

*not sure if the dynamic funky wallpapers suck up more battery life due to their animated nature... will test that today.


as an experiment, when I updated to GM.. I tried to restore in iTunes and it would not let me...even if I pulled out my sim... great new security feature finally - you need your OWN iTunes password to restore the phone. Thieves are screwed!

minor rants:
-why no unlock sound when you enter your unlock code at lock screen?
-battery charging indicator still does not flash.. it is a constant charge symbol EVEN if it is fully charged.

[SkinnyPupp]

Oops didn't read the whole thread

[Acura604]

https://twitter.com/nokia_uk/statuses/377483408043036672

OMG WTF BBQ... repost from page 2.

[SkinnyPupp]

Anyone know if the ios7 podcast app supports password protected mp3 downloads? itunes does, and the old version did, but the current one doesn't as far as I can tell.

[dangonay]

So how many days after the 5S is released will we see YouTube flooded with boarders, bikers and the like showing off their slow motion videos they took?
Posted via RS Mobile

[RacePace]

So how many days after the 5S is released will we see YouTube flooded with boarders, bikers and the like showing off their slow motion videos they took?
Posted via RS Mobile

They'd already be doing that stuff with a Gopro

[freakshow]

They'd already be doing that stuff with a Gopro
It's not as easy to do on a go pro..

[Lomac]

It's not as easy to do on a go pro..

Maybe not, but the ones you see created by a GoPro are the ones you're more than likely wanting to see. :p

[urrh]

with the new finger print scanner, it'll be so much easier for nosy GFs to snoop through phones. have to start sleeping with gloves that have velcro straps or something

[Carl Johnson]

I am utterly amazed that 16GB is still the baseline model. Ram prices are so cheap, why not roll out 32/64/128 and make yourself a market differentiator?

if someone is willing to pay $600 for the 16gb phone, why would apple bring a 32gb baseline model phone?

i wouldn't be surprised apple eventually lower the iphone 5c prices from $600 to somewhere between $400-500. the initial apple fans will always pay higher prices for whatever product apple sells.

[mos_skeeto]

with the new finger print scanner, it'll be so much easier for nosy GFs to snoop through phones. have to start sleeping with gloves that have velcro straps or something

:suspicious:

[shenmecar]

with the new finger print scanner, it'll be so much easier for nosy GFs to snoop through phones. have to start sleeping with gloves that have velcro straps or something

So much trouble to own an iPhone. :troll:
Posted via RS Mobile

[Hehe]

Very disappointed in Apple. It used to be a leader, now... not even sure it's a follower.

There is still so much that mobile market can innovate still since users like me still encounter tons of limitation on my devices on a daily basis.

Too bad Apple lost a great visionary as Jobs. And Cook seems to only follow numbers.

IMHO, they should hire some really great minds like Elon Musk to lead the company.

[ScizzMoney]

Very disappointed in Apple. It used to be a leader, now... not even sure it's a follower.

There is still so much that mobile market can innovate still since users like me still encounter tons of limitation on my devices on a daily basis.

Too bad Apple lost a great visionary as Jobs. And Cook seems to only follow numbers.

IMHO, they should hire some really great minds like Elon Musk to lead the company.

Bill Burr Doesn't Believe The Steve Jobs Hype - CONAN on TBS - YouTube

[SkinnyPupp]

It's not as easy to do on a go pro..
I think a lot of people would rather strap a super durable camera to them while doing this stuff, than a fragile $800 phone made of glass

You'll see some pictures of people jumping into the water, and that's it.. That's what most people do now that pretty much every digital camera over $200 has this feature.

[DanHibiki]

I'm one of the few who really likes the finger print unlock. I don't use a passcode. I had an awesome Cydia tweak long ago though that doesn't require passcode a when connected to your home wifi. I wish apple would have implemented that.


Other than that I see no reason to upgrade from my 5...although my contract is up this week...hmmmm
Posted via RS Mobile

[Iceman_2K]

Wished the price of the 5C was lower.....a lot lower....so bloody expensive.

[!Yaminashi]

so far... iOS 7 Beta Gold Master:

-very stable
-rbc app used to crash on previous beta, it does not any more
-twitter feeds when loaded in safari used to crash, it does not any more
-refreshing new ringtones
-nice new wallpapers
-very smooth and fast on iPhone5
-Messaging use to crash, it does not any more
-auto updating of apps is great.

*not sure if the dynamic funky wallpapers suck up more battery life due to their animated nature... will test that today.


as an experiment, when I updated to GM.. I tried to restore in iTunes and it would not let me...even if I pulled out my sim... great new security feature finally - you need your OWN iTunes password to restore the phone. Thieves are screwed!

minor rants:
-why no unlock sound when you enter your unlock code at lock screen?
-battery charging indicator still does not flash.. it is a constant charge symbol EVEN if it is fully charged.

Do you think the final release will be much different than the GM?

I have to say though I've never been a huge apple fan but ios 7 looks pretty nice

[dangonay]

I think a lot of people would rather strap a super durable camera to them while doing this stuff, than a fragile $800 phone made of glass
That is if you assume all these videos will be POV.

I also think a lot of people would rather use the abilities built into the smartphone they already have instead of spending hundreds of dollars on a separate camera, Tom-Tom/GPS or MP3/Media player (the three industries that have been hit very hard by smartphones that integrate these features).

[SkinnyPupp]

That is if you assume all these videos will be POV.

I also think a lot of people would rather use the abilities built into the smartphone they already have instead of spending hundreds of dollars on a separate camera, Tom-Tom/GPS or MP3/Media player (the three industries that have been hit very hard by smartphones that integrate these features).
I agree, although POV is what's popular. "GoPro" itself is a niche, because of its features. Phones can replicate some, but not the most important - durability super and wide angle lens (although I guess there are attachments you can use, or maybe someone will come out with a niche camera with a wide angle lens)

The 'cheap handheld camera' was popular for a while but was quickly replaced once phone video got decent. Even the S4 is waterproof now, and can do video and photos underwater.. but I still think it's crazy to take that kind of video with an expensive phone that isn't purposefully built for that kind of thing.

[LiquidTurbo]

First Look: iPhone 5s - YouTube

[wstce92]

Very disappointed in Apple. It used to be a leader, now... not even sure it's a follower.

There is still so much that mobile market can innovate still since users like me still encounter tons of limitation on my devices on a daily basis.

Too bad Apple lost a great visionary as Jobs. And Cook seems to only follow numbers.

IMHO, they should hire some really great minds like Elon Musk to lead the company.

Jobs was NOT a visionary, he was a brilliantly calculated business man (iphone3 -> 3gs, iphone4 -> 4s; new phones are marginally better, old phones become the "value" model, complete and ruthless product production efficiency). Cook is just good as him (iphone5 -> iphone5s, but wait, instead of making the iphone5 the value model, make the 5c, so it's cheaper to produce)
The only difference, is that Cook doesn't make as much of a grand effort as Jobs did to make people feel like every product is the second coming of Jesus.

/rant

full disclosure, I'm picking up a 5c, apple products are great, but in no way are they innovative, theyre the same as every other product out there, just wrapped out better (personal taste)

[BaoTurbo]

Jobs was NOT a visionary, he was a brilliantly calculated business man (iphone3 -> 3gs, iphone4 -> 4s; new phones are marginally better, old phones become the "value" model, complete and ruthless product production efficiency). Cook is just good as him (iphone5 -> iphone5s, but wait, instead of making the iphone5 the value model, make the 5c, so it's cheaper to produce)
The only difference, is that Cook doesn't make as much of a grand effort as Jobs did to make people feel like every product is the second coming of Jesus.

/rant

full disclosure, I'm picking up a 5c, apple products are great, but in no way are they innovative, theyre the same as every other product out there, just wrapped out better (personal taste)

And thats why Jobs was so successful both in profit and value of his company. He is a visionary businessman and his goal was to leave behind his golden legacy that his company is above all and will be above all both in price and quality in phones or whatelse.

When I sell iPhones, I always tell my customers that Apple has "premium products" at a "premium price" provided with "premium service". Hence why you can break your iphone a bit like I did in the past with my iPhone 4 where the unlock button is a little bit sticky, yet functional and they told me to come back at a later time to get a new 4 at no extra cost. Not a refurbished one either because I checked. So with this premium service and phone with every new release people have a peace of mind that they are literally buying gold in their pockets.

Reason why everyone is a little bit choked about Apple is they released the 5C which is not what Jobs had in mind. However, this is a move by Cook which meant that they need to shift their target market and corporate values a bit because they are losing their market share in phones. I wouldn't say this move was bad either because its really subjective and controversial. You can literally argue both sides.

I would say IMO let it play out for now and see how it goes and don't speculate anything Apple has done is "stupid" or "dumb" or even "best move they ever made". See how it all works out..

[kristianhay]

^

Agreed. Some people don't seem to understand that Jobs was Apple, he was the brand. I definitely think he was a visionary in terms of his company and technology, just my opinion. Without Jobs, Apple seems to be losing it's way a bit. While Cook may be a great businessman, he isn't Steve Jobs. Jobs was a crazy dude, with an insane eye for detail and was obsessive with his products. Cook isn't that guy.

I think the 5S is good for what it's supposed to be. As things have always gone, Apple releases a new flagship phone every 2 years since the 4. The 5C is cool and will definitely have consumers buying in - as some have said, I just wish it was a little cheaper.

I'm on iOS 7 GM on my iPhone 4 and I really love it. I feel like I'm falling in love with my phone again, it feels like a new experience. Little things about the user experience just flow a lot better and I can really appreciate that. For anyone hesitant about updating to iOS 7 on their 4, it works just as fast as 6 did for me. Missing some features, obviously, but it's still sweet.

[v_tec]

The "pricing" has been released :troll:

iPhone 5S & 5C - BNIB - Available on LAUNCH DAY! (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rds/ele/4061827223.html)

Get the NEW iPhone 5C OR 5S right on launch day - no waiting in line!

iPhone 5C available (http://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5c/):
$775 - 16GB
$900 - 32GB

iPhone 5S available (http://www.apple.com/ca/iphone-5s/):
$900 - 16GB
$1025 - 32GB

[dangonay]

When Steve was alive:

He's no visionary nor is he innovative. He takes credit for all the hard work of the Apple engineers and designers. Apple would still succeed without him.

When Steve Jobs is gone:

Apple is doomed. Steve was responsible for all the great ideas and now that he's gone there's nobody left to come up with the 'next big thing'.


On another note. Samsung has announced that they will also have 64bit processors in their phones sometime in the future. Translated: "When ARM finishes their 64 bit design then we'll use it, you know, since we don't actually design our processors and just duplicate ARMs designs".
Posted via RS Mobile

[SkinnyPupp]

When Steve was alive:

He's a genius visionary, and the driving force behind the most successful company in history.

When Steve Jobs is gone:

Apple is fine. Steve was more of a figurehead than anything; it is all due to the hard work of Apple's designers that will keep the company successful.

See it goes both ways, depending on who you're talking to ;)

As for Samsung using a base ARM design, which consumer gives a flying fuck? That's right, zero of them.

[Mr.HappySilp]

And thats why Jobs was so successful both in profit and value of his company. He is a visionary businessman and his goal was to leave behind his golden legacy that his company is above all and will be above all both in price and quality in phones or whatelse.

When I sell iPhones, I always tell my customers that Apple has "premium products" at a "premium price" provided with "premium service". Hence why you can break your iphone a bit like I did in the past with my iPhone 4 where the unlock button is a little bit sticky, yet functional and they told me to come back at a later time to get a new 4 at no extra cost. Not a refurbished one either because I checked. So with this premium service and phone with every new release people have a peace of mind that they are literally buying gold in their pockets.

Reason why everyone is a little bit choked about Apple is they released the 5C which is not what Jobs had in mind. However, this is a move by Cook which meant that they need to shift their target market and corporate values a bit because they are losing their market share in phones. I wouldn't say this move was bad either because its really subjective and controversial. You can literally argue both sides.

I would say IMO let it play out for now and see how it goes and don't speculate anything Apple has done is "stupid" or "dumb" or even "best move they ever made". See how it all works out..

But the iphone 5c is too expensive to beign with? Sure it looks nice with different colors but why not get a new iphone5 or iphone5 rubh off apple website for cheaper. Or pay a little more to get a S4 or HTC?

Iphone 5c needs to be at least 35% cheaper then what apple is asking in order to take on the low to mid range cell phones.

[Acura604]

VANCOUVER — Canadians can expect to pay from $30 to $70 more than their American neighbours for one of Apple’s newly announced iPhones.

While Canada’s wireless carriers haven’t yet announced pricing for the new iPhone 5C or the iPhone 5S for customers who buy the phones on a two-year contract — the maximum period now offered in Canada — industry sources say Apple’s price for Canadian carriers is higher than in the United States.

So when the new iPhones are available for pre-order Sept. 13, and go on sale Sept. 20, consumers can expect to pay more, despite a Canadian dollar that is close to on par with the U.S. dollar.

When Apple unveiled the new lower-priced iPhone 5C and the iPhone 5S, the replacement for its flagship iPhone 5, it listed two-year contract pricing starting at $99 US for a 16 gigabyte 5C and $199 for a 32GB 5C. The 5S with a two-year contract starts at $199 for the 16GB model, $299 for 32GB and $399 for 64GB.

Unless Apple makes a last-minute change, consumers here can expect to pay a $30 premium for each of those phones, which industry insiders say is dictated by the higher price carriers here are paying for the phones. That would put the so-called “sub-$100” iPhone 5C at $129 for Canadians if they buy it with a two-year contract.

Canadians will also pay more for an unlocked iPhone 5C or 5s from Apple.

The lowest-priced unlocked iPhone 5C, a 16GB model, is listed in Apple’s Canadian online store at $649 Cdn while the same phone will sell for $599 US in the U.S. online store. The price gap widens for the 5S, which starts at $719 for the 16GB model, compared to $649 US.

“It wouldn’t surprise me at all,” Eamon Hoey, a management consultant to the telecom sector, said of the anticipated price difference. “From a distribution perspective the Canadian market is very small when it comes to iPhones, and to get your discounts you really need millions of phones.

“They (Canadian carriers) are just not getting the discounts they would if they were buying gazillions of phones like Verizon, or any one of the carriers in the United States.

“There will be a differential here.”

Despite the price difference on the new phones, Apple’s pricing for an unlocked iPhone 4S is the same $450 both in Canada and the US. The iPhone 4S is still offered for sale, although the iPhone 5 has been discontinued and is no longer listed in Apple’s US or Canadian online stores.

Apple didn’t respond to telephone or email messages by the deadline for this story. It is expected the company and Canada’s wireless carriers will release the new iPhones’ contract pricing today or Friday. Apple doesn’t allow its resellers and wireless carriers to release pricing details ahead of the official announcement.

[willystyle]

Why anyone would get a iPhone 5C for $650 over a Galaxy S4/HTC One is beyond me.

Like I said before, iPhone 5C will flop at its on and off-contract pricing. There's simply way better options out there.

[ScizzMoney]

Part of me feels they made the price of the 5C so people will buy the 5S. Probably wrong though.

[.Renn.Sport]

Its only $900 HKD difference here in HK for the 5C and 5S, So I don't see a reason why not to go for the 5s with better camera, faster processor and fingerprint scanner.

my gf wants a 5c just because it comes in pink. I'm just gonna buy a 5c for her and switch her 5 for myself to use as the HK phone and use the 5s for China to take advantage of the China Mobile LTE network.

[striderblade]

Introducing the Iphone 5c and 5s - YouTube

[iwantaskyline]

Why does everyone bash Apple for not being innovative? What was so innovative about the S4?

[DanHibiki]

There hasn't been anything innovative for many years now from any of the companies.
Posted via RS Mobile

[LiquidTurbo]

The next "retina" display is a breakthrough in batter tech.

We need better battery tech, like fuel cells or something where they last a week or something.

There are probably many many engineers working on this problem right now, as the person/company who could solve it would become insanely rich.

[SkinnyPupp]

Like I keep saying, users don't really need 'innovation' anymore, things like Siri and thumbprint readers are relatively useless. Even 64 bit is useless for most, until the vast majority of people have it.

What people want are a bigger screen and better battery life. This launch failed on both, which I think is why a lot of people are reacting so negatively.

[dangonay]

As for Samsung using a base ARM design, which consumer gives a flying fuck? That's right, zero of them.

Why do I have to think from the point of view of a consumer? I enjoy the underlying technology that makes things work. If I'm talking about cars then I want to understand the engine, how all the components fit and work together and if there's some new technology being used for the first time to increase power or reduce fuel consumption.

Processors are the engines that make our devices run. And right now in the ARM world Apple is king and have achieved a world's first. Apple building a 64 bit mobile processor is the equivalent of Ford coming up with the first engine with 4 valve heads or electronic fuel injection and pissing off all the Chevy fans.


And as a Ford fan I enjoy reminding the Chevy guys how far behind their "engines" are and the fact they don't even have the expertise to design their own.

[SkinnyPupp]

Why do I have to think from the point of view of a consumer?
No that's fine.. I also enjoy the technology, and I think Apple's ARMv8 is incredible. I can't wait to see Anand's benchmarks, and see if Apple's claims are legit (they usually are). But that doesn't mean ANYTHING to me as a consumer.. The only thing you're using it for is to put down Samsung... To the consumer, this stuff is completely irrelevant. All they care about is something that does what they want. If they get that through an incredible in-house design, or an OEM ARM part, it doesn't matter.

If you want to jerk off to Apple having a better CPU, that's fine.. They DO have it, but it is useless to the people who use the phones.

Same goes for the Ford/Chevy analogy.. it's a good example of fanboyism that is actually pretty useless in the end. Wow Ford has a 'better' engine. What does that mean when you buy a Ford? Nothing, if you prefer other things on a Chevy. Both will get you where you want to go in the end.

One thing I don't think the car fanboys don't do is brag about sales figures.. like who the fuck cares? Wow congrats, the phone you bought is from a company that made a lot of shareholders really rich. Does that make the phone better for you?

[dangonay]

^ So who do you think is the worst for bragging about sales figures?

[StylinRed]

There hasn't been anything innovative for many years now from any of the companies.
Posted via RS Mobile

http://www.mobilni-telefony.as/images_zbozi/9223_2.jpg

:D

[StylinRed]

^ So who do you think is the worst for bragging about sales figures?

the company with the most sales? :)

[SkinnyPupp]

Anyone who brags about sales figures is the worst, unless they are a share holder :)

[mos_skeeto]

Apple fanboys are annoying because they keep saying their products are the best. Android fanboys are annoying because they keep telling everyone how they are better than Apple.

Competition is a good thing right :)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

apple only needs to come out with one good feature that stands out, every generation of phone it releases. that's it.

they slowly build the phone, one feature at a time. and every generation, all the other features that were implemented before get tiny little upgrades and perfections.

one at a time. and make sure it's bulletproof. a slow but steady and sturdy strategy. it's hard to fuck it up.

that's how i see it.

[winson604]

Its only $900 HKD difference here in HK for the 5C and 5S, So I don't see a reason why not to go for the 5s with better camera, faster processor and fingerprint scanner.

my gf wants a 5c just because it comes in pink. I'm just gonna buy a 5c for her and switch her 5 for myself to use as the HK phone and use the 5s for China to take advantage of the China Mobile LTE network.

Funniest thing and I know it will happen is someone will be so happy it comes in color now, buy a 5c, then slap a black case on it making it :suspicious:

[BaoTurbo]

Funniest thing and I know it will happen is someone will be so happy it comes in color now, buy a 5c, then slap a black case on it making it :suspicious:

Yes, its quite possible and ridiculous. Then again you already bought the 5c from Apple, which is what they want you to look at :badpokerface:

[dangonay]

the company with the most sales? :)
The two companies that have the greatest number of "press releases" regarding sales are Samsung and Google. Every time the GS2/3/4 hits 5/10/20/30 million in sales they have a press release. And Google is always announcing how many daily "activations" Android has.

Anyone who brags about sales figures is the worst, unless they are a share holder :)

Bragging might be a little stupid, but there are many who have a vested interest in knowing sales figures. Like an App developer. Or an accessory/case maker. Or a web developer deciding if they should make a specific version to match a device.

[alex.w *//]

if i buy a unlocked iphone 5s in the states and bring it back to here. would everything still work?

[Hondaracer]

So what's the deal with local carriers carrying the S? On telus's website you can reserve the C but they only show the Features of the S?
Posted via RS Mobile

[kristianhay]

5S isn't available to pre-order/order until the 20th.

[dangonay]

Not sure why the delay in the 5S. Maybe production was lower so they don't have as many. Maybe they want to see how the 5C does with a one week head start (and how many "hold out" for the 5S). Or maybe they just don't want to overload their servers by having both available on the same day.
Posted via RS Mobile

[SkinnyPupp]

They can probably fulfill at least 10 million orders of the 5c, most of which will be included in this quarter's results. 5s will mostly be sold within Q1 2014, I think because it will have to be backordered pretty much right away. I think it's all about working with investors, which is a good idea because the stock dropped by like 12% after the announcements.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

5C come first, cuz that's where the money is at.

[BaoTurbo]

if i buy a unlocked iphone 5s in the states and bring it back to here. would everything still work?

Yes it should according to my knowledge

[Iceman_2K]

Seriously? You're asking this?

if i buy a unlocked iphone 5s in the states and bring it back to here. would everything still work?

[Lomac]

apple only needs to come out with one good feature that stands out, every generation of phone it releases. that's it.

they slowly build the phone, one feature at a time. and every generation, all the other features that were implemented before get tiny little upgrades and perfections.

one at a time. and make sure it's bulletproof. a slow but steady and sturdy strategy. it's hard to fuck it up.

that's how i see it.

Like the Porsche 911. :p

[boss_clad]

2 things i'm gonna say about this:

1 - i feel bad for any successor of the late steve jobs, those shoes could never be filled, so i don't get why so many people are tough on cook. cook was a huge help to jobs back in the day when he streamlined the operations and kept costs at a bare minimum. i believe cook was the only one who jobs could trust to implement new apple business strategies, not innovate new shit.

2 - is it just me? the ios7 is just a fucking rip-off of google's gmail concept, like thin fonts and all the colors, why is everyone so "amazed" at the "new" look. I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLZ!!! - Mugatu

[boss_clad]

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx62/lunar_jtn/5361_10151978811994535_52925318_n_zps89947ab0.jpg (http://s742.photobucket.com/user/lunar_jtn/media/5361_10151978811994535_52925318_n_zps89947ab0.jpg. html)

i've been using it since june when they released it for developers, got the beta from a buddy, nothing special, just good that you finally have a notification panel that you can swipe down and up

[dasani604]

2 - is it just me? the ios7 is just a fucking rip-off of google's gmail concept, like thin fonts and all the colors, why is everyone so "amazed" at the "new" look. I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLZ!!! - Mugatu

Because they haven't seen anything else.

I'm not an iPhone user but I definitely like it better than the old look. Looks cleaner and less kiddish.

[jackmeister]

is there anyway to buy iPhone 5C (HK/China version) here by any chance? I'm going to Asia at the end of the month and would like to use my HK/China Sim card (w/ LTE) right when I land. I don't feel like giving Rogers a cent more than I should.

Thanks!

[SkinnyPupp]

AFAIK there is no HK/China version, there is a HK version which is the same as the rest of the world, and there is a China (China Mobile) version which uses their TD-LTE network.

So depending on where you go, you have to choose the right phone

[HonestTea]

Are all unlocked iPhone 5S compatible with China's TD-LTE network or is it only HK/China released ones?

[Hondaracer]

So GF preordered an S with telus, I'm interested to see it
Posted via RS Mobile

[SkinnyPupp]

Are all unlocked iPhone 5S compatible with China's TD-LTE network or is it only HK/China released ones?
Here are the models listed on the HK and CA sites:

Model A1533 (GSM): UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)

Model A1533 (CDMA): CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 19, 20, 25)

Model A1453: CDMA EV-DO Rev. A and Rev. B (800, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1700/2100, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 13, 17, 18, 19, 20, 25, 26)

Model A1457: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20)

Model A1530: UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz); GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz); FDD-LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 20); TD-LTE (Bands 38, 39, 40)

Model A1530 is the one that supports TD-LTE

Here are the models listed on the China site:

A1533 型号*：CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800、1700/2100、1900、2100 MHz)；UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850、900、1700/2100、 1900、2100 MHz)；GSM/EDGE (850、900、1800、1900 MHz)

A1528 型号*：UMTS/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA (850、900、1900、2100 MHz)；GSM/EDGE (850、900、1800、1900 MHz)

Weird eh? No TD-LTE model listed

[haha13]

Hmm deciding between 5c or s4

[ScizzMoney]

^
Get whatever feels best in your hand in my opinion. They all do the same shit basically at the end of the day.

[LiquidTurbo]

The images that the 5s can produce are pretty amazing.

[SkinnyPupp]

The images that the 5s can produce are pretty amazing.
People said that when the 5 came out (and the 4S, and the 4, and the 3S before that) but I think they have pros doing the photos because in the end, the photos look about the same as any other camera phone. Maybe a bit better than cheap Androids.

[BaoTurbo]

Gonna wait for the 5S to be available for work and then flip it

[bcedhk]

^Cool man

[dangonay]

The reviews are up and pretty positive overall. Anandtech has a great write-up on the A7. That is one seriously impressive processor.

Better yet is that Geekbench has been updated so they could test 32bit and 64bit. The performance increase for 64bit is about 31-32% overall (individual tests could be anywhere from 25% slower to 800% faster.

So much for there being no immediate benefit to 64bit. Wonder what all the naysayers who actually wrote detailed articles claiming there'd be no benefit think now? Talk about making yourself look stupid to all your readers.

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah some of those articles, and the anti apple idiots feeding off them, were downright embarrassing.

64 bit will give an immediate and noticeable performance boost when used. However what this does is segment the iphone 5 market significantly, something I know Jobs wanted to avoid for a long time. Also, in my opinion, all that power is wasted on a small screen device.

[ImportPsycho]

Thursday Night at Metrotown - Standing in line 7pm-10am (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/etc/4074702763.html)

if you dont care for iphone and got nothing to do

[DJ Milk]

So Apple stores in Canada are selling unlock units on launch day?

[Harvey Specter]

Anyone buying the 5s to flip? Supposedly the gold 5s might be the one to purchase if you want to make a few bucks.

[v_tec]

Thursday Night at Metrotown - Standing in line 7pm-10am (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/etc/4074702763.html)

if you dont care for iphone and got nothing to do

$80 for 15 hours :fuckthatshit:

[haha13]

Is there a limit to buying iPhone 5s online with the same cc?

[Sir_Loin]

http://cdn.iphoneincanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/photo-15.jpg

[death_blossom]

judging from the picture, the hype for iPhones is definitely down a lot from recent years.

anyone have a clue on stock is gonna be like? I'd like to get one from the Apple store tomorrow morning, but dunno if these will sell out fast.

[RickyTan3]

14 gold Iphones Ordered :)

[SkinnyPupp]

judging from the picture, the hype for iPhones is definitely down a lot from recent years.

anyone have a clue on stock is gonna be like? I'd like to get one from the Apple store tomorrow morning, but dunno if these will sell out fast.
If they brought out a 5" version the lineups would have started a week ago

As for stock, it's going to be next to impossible to get a gold one, that's for sure. Idiots will be willing to pay top dollar for one.

[RickyTan3]

That's why I bought a bunch of gold ones

[SkinnyPupp]

Good for you

[HonestTea]

Did anyone get 1-3 day shipping?

[death_blossom]

thanks for the tip on gold iPhones, hah. how was the launch in HK? since it is the 20th over there already.

[v_tec]

14 gold Iphones Ordered :)

Why bother? You won't receive it until October 10~15++

[SkinnyPupp]

thanks for the tip on gold iPhones, hah. how was the launch in HK? since it is the 20th over there already.
I looked around various local english language forums but nobody mentioned the launch at all yet... Nobody on my facebook mentioned it either.. I'm sure the 5S sold out pretty quickly to the fans, but most people don't really care I think.

[v_tec]

thanks for the tip on gold iPhones, hah. how was the launch in HK? since it is the 20th over there already.

I looked around various local english language forums but nobody mentioned the launch at all yet... Nobody on my facebook mentioned it either.. I'm sure the 5S sold out pretty quickly to the fans, but most people don't really care I think.

Black (or grey or w/e you want to call it) and White (silver) estimate to ship in October+.
Gold is completely sold out, with no estimate dates so far.

Still plenty of stock in China though.

[Hehe]

With the new Canadian pricing, flipping cdn phone anywhere would be tough. The base 16gb is 800 tax in. Very slim if any profit margin.

Only possible to get decent return if you buy at tax free states in US like OR.
Posted via RS Mobile

[v_tec]

With the new Canadian pricing, flipping cdn phone anywhere would be tough. The base 16gb is 800 tax in. Very slim if any profit margin.

Only possible to get decent return if you buy at tax free states in US like OR.
Posted via RS Mobile

China's 16GB's is $5288, equivalent to ~$888 CAD.
Those with the connection, and ability to bring back mass quantities will still be able to profit.

[Hehe]

The problem is how much and when. My contacts are paying 780 USD if you send them today for their flight to China today. This is updated until 3 min ago.

You'd lose money if you send them cdn phones at today's exchange rate
Posted via RS Mobile

[dangonay]

judging from the picture, the hype for iPhones is definitely down a lot from recent years.

anyone have a clue on stock is gonna be like? I'd like to get one from the Apple store tomorrow morning, but dunno if these will sell out fast.

Or people are doing what I and almost everyone else does - go online, reserve your phone and wait for it to arrive. Plus the incentive to line up and buy to flip has gone down since there's no staggered launch to China as there was in previous years. And the fact that Apple has a reservation system for China/HK after the problems with the huge lines (and fights) that happened with the 4S.

Only people lining up are the "promoters" who want to be seen in front of a major Apple store (like New York's glass cube).

[.Renn.Sport]

no one in china would want north american version of the iphone 5S or 5C.

Only the ones sold in HK and China supports China Mobile's 3G/4G networks and hong kong's 4G networks

[Vale46Rossi]

The problem is how much and when. My contacts are paying 780 USD if you send them today for their flight to China today. This is updated until 3 min ago.

You'd lose money if you send them cdn phones at today's exchange rate
Posted via RS Mobile

The demand market is HUGE in Vancouver for gold.

Each store only had a few and some stores didn't even have 16gb gold.

In line today people were selling their ticket for the gold iphone for $500, I was shocked people are willing to pay $500 premium for the gold one.

I was first few in line and only ended up with 1 gold iPhone and that was the last one of today's batch.

Gonna make a great birthday present for my mother :)

[jackmeister]

anyone in HK know what kind of gongshow exists at IFC apple store? I am planning to buy the 5c in HK when i go back in 2 weeks.

Thanks.

[dangonay]

So a site has gone up offering a reward to the first person to crack/fool the fingerprint scanner.

I'm sure lots of people will be trying to crack it along with Activation Lock, and, of course, the jailbreakers.
Posted via RS Mobile

[Acura604]

...and so it begins...

Fights break out at Apple store in Pasadena with iPhone release - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-iphone-apple-store-fighting--20130920,0,6671988.story)

Fights have broken out at the Pasadena Apple store leading to at least two arrests Friday morning as hundreds lined up in anticipation of the new iPhone 5S and 5C release.


Police arrested George Westbrook, 23, of Compton and Lamar Mitchell, 43, of Pasadena for fighting in line outside of the store, Pasadena Police Lt. Jason Clawson said.

The store hired two Pasadena police officers to keep control of the crowd, he said.

About 9 a.m., another scuffle was breaking out as one man left the store with multiple phones, Clawson said. People whom the man hired to stand in line for him began fighting with him because they said they weren’t being paid enough, Clawson said.

Clawson estimated at least 200 people were outside of the store Friday morning waiting for it to open.

The newest edition of Apple’s iconic phone is being released in various colors, including gold. Consumers also have the option of buying the less-expensive iPhone 5c with a plastic case. For the first time ever, the phones are being released in China on the same day they were made available everywhere else.

As in past iPhone releases, it appears some people are paying others to wait in line to buy iPhones so they can be resold later for a profit.

[BlackV62K2]

^ :fuckthatshit:

[.Renn.Sport]

anyone in HK know what kind of gongshow exists at IFC apple store? I am planning to buy the 5c in HK when i go back in 2 weeks.

Thanks.

none, Apple in HK don't sell iphone 5s and 5c to walk in customers.

You have to reserve one online at 6am first. If you can't reserve one, then you are out of luck until the next day.

[Acura604]

.... and it continues ....

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/09/20/iphone-stolen-houston-khou-5s-5c-apple-store?hpt=hp_bn17

Some people waiting in line to buy the new iPhone 5S and 5C got a rude awakening Friday morning. They were robbed at gunpoint!

Police say close to 10 people were camping outside an AT&T store in Houston around 5 a.m. when two armed robbers got out of the car, walked up to two customers and demanded their wallets and phones.

According to HLN affiliate KHOU, one of the victims said the robber told him to give him everything he had.

“I emptied out my pocket, and he takes away my iPhone, my iPad -- because it was on the ground already. He’s like, ‘give me your wallet.’ I’m like, ‘I don’t have one -- come look.’”

[DHP 1]

14 gold Iphones Ordered :)

i heard if u cant get rid of them, apple will charge 20% restocking fee right

:badpokerface:

[v_tec]

Walked into Metro's Apple at 130pm.

Aside from the golden iPhone, they had every model + colour of both the 5C and 5S available in stock immediately.

[DHP 1]

^

wow surprised

[Vale46Rossi]

First impressions tho,

The phone is bloody fast and touch id works really well!

[Harvey Specter]

i heard if u cant get rid of them, apple will charge 20% restocking fee right

:badpokerface:

Oh snapz, :ilied:

[Vale46Rossi]

Apple doesn't charge re-stocking fee, I asked you can return it at the store in person too.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Went to Metro this morning and saw a bunch of people lining up in front of the apple store.... then I remember they are lining for iphone 5s.
Took a pic with my note2 of the lineup and got weird stares for the apple fan boys =D

[Vale46Rossi]

I got an unopened black 16 looking to trade for a silver 16 haha.

[asian_XL]

Just check out Sin Tat yesterday, you might get $500hkd profit this week, next week will be $200 or none

for the gold iphone, someone is asking $10,000hkd on the first day, then it goes back to $8,000 the next day. Yesterday is only $7,000


GOLD iphone = him
http://www.ttpaihang.com/image/vote/u110815164015210231.jpg

[Hondaracer]

People pay that much of a premium for 1 day earlier?...

:rukiddingme:
Posted via RS Mobile

[DanHibiki]

^r u really that surprised?
Posted via RS Mobile

[DanHibiki]

Went to Metro this morning and saw a bunch of people lining up in front of the apple store.... then I remember they are lining for iphone 5s.
Took a pic with my note2 of the lineup and got weird stares for the apple fan boys =D

U should show them how great the android just like in those commercials.
Posted via RS Mobile

[!Yaminashi]

No man. 5s with fingerprint scanner > any android that can do 5x more than an iPhone
Posted via RS Mobile

[LiquidTurbo]

TouchID is such a gimmick. While a nice feature, it certainly isn't worth upgrading from an 5.

(Especially if you don't lock your phone)

[SkinnyPupp]

TouchID is such a gimmick. While a nice feature, it certainly isn't worth upgrading from an 5.

(Especially if you don't lock your phone)
I don't think it's a complete gimmick. It's just the first to use what I think most manufacturers will have eventually.

It is certainly better than entering a code, and probably the reason you don't lock is because of having to enter a code (I know that's why I don't use one! If I had a fingerprint scanner I would use it).

[!Yaminashi]

How long do you need to press your finger on the scanner for? Is more than 3 seconds?
Posted via RS Mobile

[LiquidTurbo]

Watch some stuff on youtube. It's much faster than that. looks like 0.5s.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I don't think it's a complete gimmick. It's just the first to use what I think most manufacturers will have eventually.

It is certainly better than entering a code, and probably the reason you don't lock is because of having to enter a code (I know that's why I don't use one! If I had a fingerprint scanner I would use it).

The one problem I can see with the touchID is that only or another person have their finger scan in can use it. I have friends co-workers use my phone all the time. When they ask for my ID (I use pattern on my note 2) I just tell them is a Z. Pretty easy to unlock but the touchID I have to manually unlock it which can get annoying......

[LiquidTurbo]

The one problem I can see with the touchID is that only or another person have their finger scan in can use it. I have friends co-workers use my phone all the time. When they ask for my ID (I use pattern on my note 2) I just tell them is a Z. Pretty easy to unlock but the touchID I have to manually unlock it which can get annoying......

YOu have to set up a # lock.

After 3 failed fingers it will ask for #.

[Hehe]

I got the iPhone 5S for my wife and my brother in TW.

TouchID works flawlessly. I tried probably over 10 times, and each time it was able to recognize the print within a sec. You just rest your finger on it as you were about to press the home button, and voila.

The phone is amazingly fast. Everything just flows smoothly even with all the crap my wife has on her iPhone.

Overall a very solid phone. But Apple needs to open up the TouchID to really show the potential of the new feature. Otherwise it will become a gimmick.

[dangonay]

TouchID is such a gimmick. While a nice feature, it certainly isn't worth upgrading from an 5.

(Especially if you don't lock your phone)

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.

[Lomac]

I'm sure I've missed this in the thread but can you have more than one person input their fingerprint? Or can it only be one?

[LiquidTurbo]

I'm sure I've missed this in the thread but can you have more than one person input their fingerprint? Or can it only be one?

Up to 5

[LiquidTurbo]

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.

Yah gimmick was the wrong word. I meant, from everything I've seen about it, it is not really worth upgrading from a 5. It's not like the 5 was a slouch.

From a 4 or 4S, definitely.

I guess you could say the 5S is probably the most futureproof iPhone ever released.

When Siri was released for the 4S it was a useless POS. Only after 2 years after it's release is it finally useful. I imagine this fingerprint tech will take 1.5-2years to again mature and reach a point where it is useful for all..

As for now, just unlocking a phone, etc, it's just a cute feature. It's funny how we are too lazy to enter a passcode. It takes about the same time to enter.

[StylinRed]

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.

until the hackers get through it then it's back to gimmickville

[Hehe]

until the hackers get through it then it's back to gimmickville

Something tells me the reason Apple didn't launch the TouchID to third party was to wait out for any potential exploit/hacks...

Once those problems iron out, it would be very useful for not only protection, but ultimately recognition of users. If this lands correctly on i-device, it could be awesome. No more I have to stand my wife's music in my iPad.

But then again I'm sure all android manufacturers would have something like TouchID by next refresh.

[SkinnyPupp]

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.
iPhone 6: Now with the NFC required to use Apple's amazing new payment system! Time to get rid of your 5s! :fullofwin:

[ScizzMoney]

I'm just hoping they do something revolutionary like move the headphone jack to the top of the phone.

[dangonay]

until the hackers get through it then it's back to gimmickville

Sure, just like hackers can steal your CC info, make duplicate debit cards, scan your cards with a portable NFC reader by standing beside you, steal your identity and open bank accounts in your name......

Might as well not ever bother to invent new technology since "it's just going to get hacked anyway".

iPhone 6: Now with the NFC required to use Apple's amazing new payment system! Time to get rid of your 5s! :fullofwin:

Why do you assume it will require NFC?

[Mr.HappySilp]

Apple WWDC 2008 - iPhone 3G Introduction - YouTube

[dangonay]

Guy uses his cat's paw to "train" the Touch ID sensor and then uses it to unlock his iPhone.

Cat's paw Unlock (http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/19/watch-a-cat-unlock-the-iphone-5s-using-touch-id-and-the-fingerprint-sensor/)

Apparently someone also trained their penis, though I'm not gonna bother searching for that one.


I think Tim Cook let something slip in his Business Week interview (they just published the entire transcript).

You know, the first time that you buy something with your finger, it’s pretty profound. It’s one thing to use it as security. This is really cool, and a lot of people will love it, because they open their phone multiple times a day. But the buying is even a more startling experience, in a way.

[dasani604]

I Disagree. Face Unlock was a gimmick. Touch ID is very secure and also fast. It's pretty obvious Apple didn't spend a fortune just to make unlocking your phone easier. I'd bet $$$ that Touch ID will be used for some sort of mobile payment system. And I bet CC companies will feel better about you having your cards in your phone if you need a fingerprint to authorize their use.

Touch ID is used for iTunes/Appstore payments so CC is definitely possible. This is based on the trend that everything seems to start with iOS testing/approval anyway.

[SkinnyPupp]

Why do you assume it will require NFC?
What else would they use? Magic? Their janky hacked together bluetooth/wifi combo?

I suppose they could have it so it uses a data connection to log into a server run by the store, but that would be unreliable and slow. Good for a backup system if an NFC system goes down or something though.

[dangonay]

What else would they use? Magic? Their janky hacked together bluetooth/wifi combo?

I suppose they could have it so it uses a data connection to log into a server run by the store, but that would be unreliable and slow. Good for a backup system if an NFC system goes down or something though.

From Google's developer page for Wallet:

The merchant can then use this information to process the transaction via their existing credit card infrastructure.
Some people read this and think "great, I can continue to process payments the way I always have without having to change anything".

When I read it I think "in other words, you haven't really come up with anything new."

For example, why would I tap my smartphone with NFC on a POS terminal when I can just as easily tap the credit or debit card I already have with me? Google themselves don't heavily promote Google Wallet as a contactless payment system utilizing NFC - they're pushing it more as an online payment system. Most of the information at their developer site is related to online payments.


I don't see Apple as just making a system that works with existing systems as there's no real benefit to them (no money to be made). Rather than deal with payment processors and modifying their iPhones to work with existing terminals I think Apple is going to become the payment processor themselves and your iPhone will be the terminal. Apple could make a small dumb terminal available to merchants and the smarts (and security) are done inside your personal device. Payments would go from Apple directly to the merchant after being authorized by you and the "dumb" terminal in store would provide the "authorization code/receipt" to prove to the merchant they got their money.

Why would merchants install another terminal? Because Apple would charge them lower fees than what they currently pay. Apple holds the world's largest database of account holders with credit cards (surpassing even PayPal or Amazon). It's approaching half a billion CC's. I don't know what Apple pays for fees to process credit cards, but it's a given that with their volume they've negotiated a great rate (far lower than any merchant ever could - unless you're Walmart or Target). They could charge small businesses a lower rate than they could get on their own while still making a cut of every purchase.

As for how to make the purchase, you could simply "bump" your iPhone against this terminal (or contact pad). The accelerometer in your iPhone detects this bump and immediately sends a Bluetooth request to the terminal which immediately responds. The entire exchange would only take a few milliseconds. The "bump" is timestamped and the timestamp is part of the encryption. This way if some criminal is trying to "snoop" the Bluetooth spectrum and record data of transactions they won't get anything useful since it's basically a one-time use code. Since the 4S came with BT 4.0 Apple already has a large installed base of devices that could do payments this way.

This may sound odd, but Apple already does this. You can "bump" your Apple TV with your iPhone and a very short Bluetooth connection is made which transfers useful information (WiFi SSID/password and Apple Store account ID/password) from your iPhone to your Apple TV to provide a "one bump setup" of a new Apple TV.


Of course Apple could do something completely different. But it's not hard to imagine a few possible (and easily implemented) scenarios that differ from current systems.

[boss_clad]

i just got mine, silver (my buddy told me the champagne was gorgeous, but i think champagne is perfect for girls) paid $1400usd to be the first in Nha Trang lol,

i must say, not bad, the ios7 is smooth with the new chip, camera is so much better, and the fingerprint feature is fucking awesome, it scans it immediately, like what liquidturbo said: 0.5s , you register your print one way, but you can scan it diagonally and such, it doesn't need to be exact finger placement

new ringtones and alerts and wallpapers, but the dynamic wallpapers suck balls, those lazy bastards give you like 6 options of the exact same shit, cept different colors like 5c,

i wouldn't suggest anyone get it right away, should wait a few weeks for the price to drop dramatically, but you should upgrade, it's a nice phone

i'm using the S4 as well and i prefer the ios7 over android os, it's smooth as chocolate x-lax

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx62/lunar_jtn/20130922_122514_zps7eb43d61.jpg (http://s742.photobucket.com/user/lunar_jtn/media/20130922_122514_zps7eb43d61.jpg.html)

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx62/lunar_jtn/20130922_122522_zpsbd1fcf25.jpg (http://s742.photobucket.com/user/lunar_jtn/media/20130922_122522_zpsbd1fcf25.jpg.html)

http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx62/lunar_jtn/20130922_122535_zps233cce71.jpg (http://s742.photobucket.com/user/lunar_jtn/media/20130922_122535_zps233cce71.jpg.html)

[Spectre_Cdn]

From Google's developer page for Wallet:


Some people read this and think "great, I can continue to process payments the way I always have without having to change anything".

When I read it I think "in other words, you haven't really come up with anything new."

For example, why would I tap my smartphone with NFC on a POS terminal when I can just as easily tap the credit or debit card I already have with me? Google themselves don't heavily promote Google Wallet as a contactless payment system utilizing NFC - they're pushing it more as an online payment system. Most of the information at their developer site is related to online payments.


I don't see Apple as just making a system that works with existing systems as there's no real benefit to them (no money to be made). Rather than deal with payment processors and modifying their iPhones to work with existing terminals I think Apple is going to become the payment processor themselves and your iPhone will be the terminal. Apple could make a small dumb terminal available to merchants and the smarts (and security) are done inside your personal device. Payments would go from Apple directly to the merchant after being authorized by you and the "dumb" terminal in store would provide the "authorization code/receipt" to prove to the merchant they got their money.

Why would merchants install another terminal? Because Apple would charge them lower fees than what they currently pay. Apple holds the world's largest database of account holders with credit cards (surpassing even PayPal or Amazon). It's approaching half a billion CC's. I don't know what Apple pays for fees to process credit cards, but it's a given that with their volume they've negotiated a great rate (far lower than any merchant ever could - unless you're Walmart or Target). They could charge small businesses a lower rate than they could get on their own while still making a cut of every purchase.

As for how to make the purchase, you could simply "bump" your iPhone against this terminal (or contact pad). The accelerometer in your iPhone detects this bump and immediately sends a Bluetooth request to the terminal which immediately responds. The entire exchange would only take a few milliseconds. The "bump" is timestamped and the timestamp is part of the encryption. This way if some criminal is trying to "snoop" the Bluetooth spectrum and record data of transactions they won't get anything useful since it's basically a one-time use code. Since the 4S came with BT 4.0 Apple already has a large installed base of devices that could do payments this way.

This may sound odd, but Apple already does this. You can "bump" your Apple TV with your iPhone and a very short Bluetooth connection is made which transfers useful information (WiFi SSID/password and Apple Store account ID/password) from your iPhone to your Apple TV to provide a "one bump setup" of a new Apple TV.


Of course Apple could do something completely different. But it's not hard to imagine a few possible (and easily implemented) scenarios that differ from current systems.

People are speculating the upcoming iBeacon's to facilitate payment transactions, along with indoor mapping.

[dangonay]

Someone in Germany (CCC) has unlocked an iPhone using the "fake finger" technique and posted a short video. However they won't qualify for the $20K prize since they only showed the unlock portion and not a complete beginning-to-end video of the entire process to prove continuity.

So the prize is still up for grabs for anyone who wants to try. Lomac?
Posted via RS Mobile

[k3mps]

long shot but anyone have word of when the next shipment of iphones arrive?
sold out everywhere

[LiquidTurbo]

iPhone 5S Touch ID Fingerprint Hack & iOS 7 Passcode Bypass - Major Security Flaws - YouTube

[Hondaracer]

the gold does look very nice but its not for me

disapointed the 5 didnt get the slow mo videos with ios7 :/