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So I'm coming down from a shrooms trip and I've been snapped back to reality. And it may seem funny that I use reality after saying I just did shrooms but I really mean it. I often go through life with this defense or this ego built up, and it's actually ironic because I I acknowledge this barrier on a subconscious level, and I don't want this barrier but somehow it just naturally builds up.
My question to you guys is, for the people that can constantly, or without a second thought shatter this ego, how do you do it? How do you go through life without this sense of false pride or ego?
Sorry if my thread makes little sense, my brain was heavily used during this trip, and I am mentally exhausted.
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Do some MDMA and hang out with some people you don't know very well that are also doing MDMA. That literally was the turning point for me balancing my personality 5 years ago from an arrogant yet horrendously insecure spazz case to a mellow, fairly confident positive person. Call it what you will, but sometimes a good drug binge CAN sort you out.
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
if you live in any state of mind long enough, the patterns of thought, and feeling, become somewhat habitual, almost normalised. you become someone else. literally. (it doesn't have to be drugs, it could be a state of mind (emotional) or... environment (war, prison, diff ppl u hang out with at school/work or whatever).
then you start to question what really is normal. or what "you" really is. and why and how this "you" came to be (and is ever changing).
just realise the ego is nothing but a force of nature to keep one alive. alive for whatever purpose, doesnt matter. being alive by natures definition, is better than being dead... for any reason.
most decisions in life, if not all, are ego based. the decisions you make, the way you perceive situations, the way you act upon them.
altering your perception, through drugs, or thought, or whatever means really kicks you in the ass. You realise you're wrong in so many ways, and there's so many other things out there that you were too prideful or egotistical to get over and accept.
you come to these realisations not through just plain logic or thought, but you actually live it, you actually realise it through the inner self. self inception if you will lol.
it will never go away. the feeling of the ego fighting your conscious.
the best you can do is realise the feeling and then "control" it (aka not act upon it) when you feel it.
i'm pretty sure the highest level monks still feel all those feelings of jealousy, fear, anger etc. they have just learnt where it comes from (ego), and realised the feeling and learned to ignore/control the temptations.
that's all it is.
awareness of what it is, and then not acting upon it.
you cannot become a robot. maybe if i lobotomise you somehow lol.
no state is permanent. no state of any kind at any level, in this universe, is permanent. everything changes with time. whether it be physical or emotional... at the personal level, galactic, or cosmic.
if you see a hot chick, and your first instinct is to grab her tits... you don't do it. after not acting upon it long enough, it becomes normal. you still have the urge, but you don't do it.
it's like that, for everything.
whenever you get that feeling of insecurity or whatever, some egotistical feeling... just realise it, and back off. self control. you can never erase your ability to perceive your own ego... i don't know what kind of human you'd be if you could do that.
it's like a bad habit, like biting your nails. just be aware, and when you catch yourself doing it, stop. repeat, practice, with enough willpower and effort, you'll conquer it. you just have to want it.
the fact that you realise how the mind is almost split into two beings constantly fighting each other is already a huge step. most people don't really understand ego past the text book definition. they call themselves non egotistical, but in fact they are very egotistical, still judging things with morals and values based on how they feel or whatever. Just always step back and view it from 3rd perspective. unemotional. usually uncaring.
i mean, one cannot really care for that much, if they have no ego
if one truly had no ego, i think they'd just sit there observing, like a rock, and wither and die... and they wouldn't care, or feel anything. It would just be... Pure observance.
and remember:
"we do not see things as they are, we see things as we are."
Last edited by Ulic Qel-Droma; 10-09-2013 at 12:30 AM.
Westopher: that was the turning point for me too, I had the same exact experience as you, just met a bunch of people who were exactly like me, and it made me realize a lot of people are worrying about the same things I worry about.
Ulic: That makes me feel a lot better actually. In the sense that, no one is perfect at managing their emotions/ego, and you just have to realize it and take action based on what you think is right
Dukes: yes.
murd0c: I'm a baws lol what can I say. I can say nothing
if you live in any state of mind long enough, the patterns of thought, and feeling, become somewhat habitual, almost normalised. you become someone else. literally. (it doesn't have to be drugs, it could be a state of mind (emotional) or... environment (war, prison, diff ppl u hang out with at school/work or whatever).
then you start to question what really is normal. or what "you" really is. and why and how this "you" came to be (and is ever changing).
just realise the ego is nothing but a force of nature to keep one alive. alive for whatever purpose, doesnt matter. being alive by natures definition, is better than being dead... for any reason.
most decisions in life, if not all, are ego based. the decisions you make, the way you perceive situations, the way you act upon them.
altering your perception, through drugs, or thought, or whatever means really kicks you in the ass. You realise you're wrong in so many ways, and there's so many other things out there that you were too prideful or egotistical to get over and accept.
you come to these realisations not through just plain logic or thought, but you actually live it, you actually realise it through the inner self. self inception if you will lol.
it will never go away. the feeling of the ego fighting your conscious.
the best you can do is realise the feeling and then "control" it (aka not act upon it) when you feel it.
i'm pretty sure the highest level monks still feel all those feelings of jealousy, fear, anger etc. they have just learnt where it comes from (ego), and realised the feeling and learned to ignore/control the temptations.
that's all it is.
awareness of what it is, and then not acting upon it.
you cannot become a robot. maybe if i lobotomise you somehow lol.
no state is permanent. no state of any kind at any level, in this universe, is permanent. everything changes with time. whether it be physical or emotional... at the personal level, galactic, or cosmic.
if you see a hot chick, and your first instinct is to grab her tits... you don't do it. after not acting upon it long enough, it becomes normal. you still have the urge, but you don't do it.
it's like that, for everything.
whenever you get that feeling of insecurity or whatever, some egotistical feeling... just realise it, and back off. self control. you can never erase your ability to perceive your own ego... i don't know what kind of human you'd be if you could do that.
it's like a bad habit, like biting your nails. just be aware, and when you catch yourself doing it, stop. repeat, practice, with enough willpower and effort, you'll conquer it. you just have to want it.
the fact that you realise how the mind is almost split into two beings constantly fighting each other is already a huge step. most people don't really understand ego past the text book definition. they call themselves non egotistical, but in fact they are very egotistical, still judging things with morals and values based on how they feel or whatever. Just always step back and view it from 3rd perspective. unemotional. usually uncaring.
i mean, one cannot really care for that much, if they have no ego
if one truly had no ego, i think they'd just sit there observing, like a rock, and wither and die... and they wouldn't care, or feel anything. It would just be... Pure observance.
and remember:
"we do not see things as they are, we see things as we are."
I haven't done shrooms during a work week in 10yrs, nothing beats showing up to work still high and the fun I had since I was doing collections calling people lol
lol I don't know how one can do anything beyond introspective theoretical self reflection when on a heavy dose of psychedelics... let alone show up at work LOL...
anyway... I think introverts have a lot harder time letting go of ego... or separating their consciousness from the ego. if that even makes sense.
just something about the introversion dominant people, not willing to accept and break down some wall that protects "them" and "their privacy" from the outside world/other people...
Wanting to be separate or unique, not willing to share their "mind" openly and indiscreetly. There's some underlying fear/paranoia, of intrusion or conformity and "losing their identity" or uniqueness... their values are a lot more ego based than some extroverts (this is a generalization of course).
but this is what I've seen in my study of personalities.
Just remember, there's nothing to hide, you're not unique or special anyway, all those thoughts, and feelings, are just the ego clawing at you. The feeling of "you" being an "individual" and YOU and not "them", is just illusionary. of course the feeling will never go away.
similar feeling finding a bug hanging out beside where you sleep. You know the bug is harmless, but you cant shake that feeling of intrusion. But you can control it. Realise it's not real. It's only you. lol. does any of that make sense at all?
anyway i glad u made this thread, there's not many threads about the relationship between the consciousness and the ego (basically your relationship with... some other part of yourself).
yea man I understand completely, many a days I think about myself and the relationship I have with other people. I constantly try to be the best version of myself but then while doing so, fall victim to the same ideology. It's like my ego wants me to be the best version of myself, but it also inhibits me from doing so.
And me being introverted does not help at all, though I have been some progress in breaking down some barriers.
So I'm coming down from a shrooms trip and I've been snapped back to reality. And it may seem funny that I use reality after saying I just did shrooms but I really mean it. I often go through life with this defense or this ego built up, and it's actually ironic because I I acknowledge this barrier on a subconscious level, and I don't want this barrier but somehow it just naturally builds up.
My question to you guys is, for the people that can constantly, or without a second thought shatter this ego, how do you do it? How do you go through life without this sense of false pride or ego?
Sorry if my thread makes little sense, my brain was heavily used during this trip, and I am mentally exhausted.
Oh man... ego... I can't count how many times this ego had made me do things I didn't want to do, or regret doing.
Here is my insight. Like Ulic said, when you go on a day to day pattern living with this ego, it'll grow on you.
For example, my supervisors and his crew leaders. They're filled with ego, well, that's because that's what they do. One little constructive criticism, correction, or opinion will tip them over (visibly).
Ego, like everything must be balanced. There is positive and negative to your ego, depends how you use it. I learned to not live with my ego and pride controlling over me, rather, me controlling over it. Takes awhile and requires a series and routine of behavior that you must get used to.
Here it goes... first, admit your mistakes. That is the first to improving ANYTHING. Don't give yourself reasons to cover up your mistakes. For a while, even your posture will reveal how you deal with your mistakes, which leads to number two.
When you make a mistake, acknowledge it. For example, you're walking down the street with a chick or a friend, and you tripped on something. Laugh about it. Follow up with a "WTF was that" look or a "I'm ok (pretending nothing happened)" look, but make it obviously because you want to show acknowledgement. Another example, you make a claim or something, but later found out it's incorrect or you were wrong, joke about it. Usually when I do something wrong at work and my colleagues sees it, I'll just be like "I knew that, I was just testing you," and we laugh about it.
When you receive constructive criticism, open up your mind and take it like that is a part of you that needs some changes, especially when you continuously receive them from different people.
Stubbornness tends to build your ego. The more stubborn you act towards things like apologizing, forgiving, etc. your ego sores through the roof.
Apologize when you do something wrong, even if it isn't directed to anyone, apologize to yourself. Forgive people when they do something wrong to you, especially if it's not worth fussing over. Stop whining and complaining and thinking about why that person (is doing, or generally, him or herself) annoys you. Ranting about a colleague or friend to another friend is fine, but don't act on it, meaning don't build hatred or anger towards that person. You will tend to act out your emotions when that person is around.
Like vafanculo, have the "I don't give a fuck" mentality. But be warned and use this wisely as it can have a counter effect, and raise your ego even more.
Drop the standards on your point of view of different aspects in your life. For example, if you find something that you think it's embarrassing to do, go do it and stop thinking that it's embarrassing.
Don't feel shame about anything. Have the "I don't care what you think" attitude and go do it. Like wearing a pink shirt. It'll probably hurt your ego if you wore it to work... go wear it. I used to hate wearing color clothing. When I bought my first red shirt, everyone of my friend made fun of me. Still, I kept wearing it, and eventually lead to blue, green, yellow, neon green, etc. There are still some friends that comment my matching of clothing, but I could careless. I usually just respond with, "I'm the red power ranger, don't mess," and we just laugh.
Anyways, I'm tired of typing and it's just going back and forth. Hope this helps.
EDIT - Also, I wouldn't recommend resorting to drugs as your solution. Use it to understand why you have this barrier and what causes it.
being indifferent and "i don't give a fuck" are very different.
if one is indifferent, then they technically should't care if it happens or not, or if they're involved or not.
"i don't give a fuck" usually just means "i dont wanna do it, and i don't wanna see it, and i don't wanna be part of it in anyway".
I don't give a fuck screams ego.
indifference... is indifference. no emotion, no care. but you're not TRYING to NOT care. you're not giving any negative attitude toward the subject at hand.
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And me being introverted does not help at all, though I have been some progress in breaking down some barriers.
Do you smoke a lot of weed? Some people when baked too often for their own good become very introverted. That was why I quit doing it on anything other than a "to get fucked up" sort of basis. I know its funny for me to recommend going on a drug bender, and then slowing down on a different drug, but drugs are tools to be used wisely and every one affects people differently and needs to be used (or not used) in different scenarios. Personality can vary vastly depending on what you are doing and altering your consciousness is a dangerous game.
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Westopher is correct.
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seems like you got a dick up your ass well..get that checked
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Well.. I’d hate to be the first to say it, but Westopher is correct.
being indifferent and "i don't give a fuck" are very different.
if one is indifferent, then they technically should't care if it happens or not, or if they're involved or not.
"i don't give a fuck" usually just means "i dont wanna do it, and i don't wanna see it, and i don't wanna be part of it in anyway".
I don't give a fuck screams ego.
indifference... is indifference. no emotion, no care. but you're not TRYING to NOT care. you're not giving any negative attitude toward the subject at hand.
LOL you summed up the attitudes of hipsters just like that.
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