[TTZ]

Is he really wearing an "I'm John Chow Bitch" t-shirt?

Yes, I also have an "I'm with John Chow, Bitch!" t-shirt that I use for promotional giveaway. Want one?

How To Modify an I'm with John Chow, Bitch! T-shirt - YouTube

[Gridlock]

Ok...like shit guys. Come on.

Both "sides" here are starting to look like idiots. The non-believers for using the wrong terms and the "I'm John Chow, bitch" group for talking around in circles. We all take a shot at the word "synergy".

A pyramid scheme in the traditional sense...

Is a flow of money, that's it. Someone hatches the idea, and gets others to buy in, and through exponential math, the people at the top keep making money and the people at the bottom make less and less, until finally it reaches critical mass and shuts down.

There is no product. There is no service. It is, at its core a money movement operation from the bottom to the top based on the idea that as soon as you get in, your downline tops you up and more, and they must do the same.

It's illegal.

It's pretty dumb, unless you are the con man at, or near the top.

So then, what is Multi-level marketing?

A way to legitimize that flow of money through product or service. Same pyramid shape, but no longer illegal. They do even better and cut you off from taking money super far down your "downline", but you do make money off the people that you recruit. Selling the business becomes just as important as selling the product.

Can you make money at this? Sure. Some people do well if its a good product and you are established in a community. Can you lose a lot? Absolutely. When you turn your friends into customers and pitches, you end up losing friends.

Is it illegal? No. Your moral values may differ.
What can I buy this way? Everything under the sun. Amway made a fortune doing this with household products and its been a "thing" ever since.

So why do people call MLM a pyramid scam?

Because its the same shape, and the same system, so therefore, if you are in a system with uplines and downlines then its automatically a "scam". It's not, really, kind of. My opinion here, its a moral grey area as I'm sure some can make money out of it, but a very small group. There are just some people out there that have a large social network and have a personality that can pull this shit off. So when they sell insurance, or houses or amway soap, they have a large group of people that they can sell it to.

So what the fuck are these guys talking about?

Here's what I can get from some very circular language.

It's not MLM. For those that don't know, there are affiliate programs that pay you a percentage or a flat fee for reselling someone else's product. What these guys are doing is packaging that up as a program. John's blog business is telling others how to get up in the affiliate system, while at the same time getting a group of people reading his blog about it, they are also becoming the customers for his own affiliate program.

With this MTTB, they decided to cut out the amazons and the webhosts of the world and pitch their own "shit". There are 2 levels. The top level, "them" keep a percentage of what everyone does as authors of the program. Everyone else then goes and sells for a much higher percentage of a much smaller pie, the program to people just like themselves.

These programs, once again from what I gather is a bunch of books and tapes written about how to pitch stuff, or "stuff" on the internet.

So why did I ask if MTTB is sellign MTTB?

They wrap a bunch of other stuff into it to fill it out, but I suspect that at its core, MTTB, named in a very specific way, as in, everyone that is a member is at the top of the pyramid, is a business that you come across, work through and spend 2k to buy into, then shift it on to as many other people as you can.

If "you"(the royal you) are a guy on the internet, who is bored with his job and wants more money, then you buy in and make money by finding other people just like you. The "business" tells you how to find them.

Is it a scam?

Scam? No.

From my reading(and these things are like a hobby of mine. I love 'em) its more YMMV: Your mileage may vary.

One-I don't think Mr.Chow here is far enough removed from this program to talk about it from an average users perspective. Those fancy checks that he gets handed as a member come from a print shop. Pick the number you want on it.

Two-there is a very specific way that these things are marketed. And dude, I've been reading about these things for as long as there is the internet. It's always from a laughable perspective of those that don't "get it" are wrong and stupid and everything in between. Terms get used like, "I've helped all these people" and literally, I have to use the term, but not in a negative way, but "showy douche". There is no other way to put it.

To the point where it has to be part of the program.

[meme405]

I disagree with only one part of Gridlock's post.

MTTB is an MLM. Pulled straight from Wikipedia (I know you will probably say this isn't a reasonable source, but for stuff like this Wikipedia actually does a phenomenal job):

New businesses may use terms such as "affiliate marketing" or "home-based business franchising".

You can add books, you can add soap, you can add a free handjob in a public washroom, the main business here is selling the business to other people; hence the fact that this is an MLM. At some point along the line when MTTB has reached its "critical mass" John Chow is not going to continue peddling fucking books about affiliate marketing, he will have moved on to the next scam...

And if you still have lingering concerns here are the symptoms of an MLM:

...cult-like behaviour, price fixing of products, high initial entry costs (for marketing kit and first products), emphasis on recruitment of others over actual sales, encouraging if not requiring members to purchase and use the company's products, exploitation of personal relationships as both sales and recruiting targets, complex and sometimes exaggerated compensation schemes, the company making major money off its training events and materials, and cult-like techniques which some groups use to enhance their members' enthusiasm and devotion.

There is 10 items there, and atleast 7 of them are met by the criteria set out by MTTB.

InB4 "but you can use MTTB for free".

[Gridlock]

Yeah, I guess so. I mean you are getting a cut off your referrals business, so yes I guess it kind of is. But from what I gather, its a no in terms of not setting up a repetitive chain.

I mean, a friend gave me the talk about quixtar or some shit and we were 45 minutes in before talk of "points" and balancing the parts of the chain turned into actual money. I sat there, cut the program apart by asking one question and bailed. Pro tip: always take your own car!
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[Gridlock]

I guess what I'm saying is there are multiple levels, but its not multi-level, you know?

That's people's issues with these things. I don't mind that bob signed me up and remains a percentage partner of my business, but I'm a flat no if I sign up fred and bob gets a cut. That is true, old school pyramid shape MLM.

In the pyramid "scam" fred is the product for me to get my money back, and we are both the same for bob. Fred is on his own to find his greater fool.

See the difference?
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[TTZ]

I'll try this again. MTTB is not a MLM. It's a 2-tier affiliate program. Licensees makes commission on the sales of MTTB products. If they refer a new licensee, they make 5% on the new licensee's business. If you're a licensee and you refer Jack, you make 5% royalty on what Jack makes. If Jack signs up Mary as a new licensee, Jack get 5% on Mary's business. you get nothing.

If an affiliate program goes beyond two tiers, it enters the world of MLM, and that brings with it a whole bunch of legal issues that I would rather avoid.

2-tier affiliate programs are very common among ad and affiliate networks. I make money by running ClickBanks ads on my blog, but I also make money by referring other bloggers to run Clickbank ads on their blogs. Clickbanks pays me 2% royalty on what the referred blogger makes. Over the years, I have referred thousand of bloggers to these ad networks and I make 2% to 10% off them every month. It's great passive income and allows me to live what I call "The Dot Com Lifestyle."

Even Google used a 2-tier affiliate program when they launched AdSense. I made a killing from that. Google eventually shut down their affiliate program because everyone and their dog now knows what AdSense is. There's no need to pay affiliates to refer new publishers.

It's not that I don't want to set up a MLM. I just have no experience with it. Affiliate marketing is what I know, and it's what I stick with.

[multicartual]

Yes, I also have an "I'm with John Chow, Bitch!" t-shirt that I use for promotional giveaway. Want one?



No, you're a nobody, you're not cool, and nobody really respects you at all.

You sell nothing but bullshit and lying is basically your best skill.

John Chow is not a rockstar, he is a fraud.

[TTZ]

No, you're a nobody, you're not cool, and nobody really respects you at all.

You sell nothing but bullshit and lying is basically your best skill.

John Chow is not a rockstar, he is a fraud.

So predictable and so easy to manipulate. :thumbsup:

Driving with John Chow - Episode 27 How To Make Money Off Haters - YouTube

[milkStar]

You should get some plastic surgery. Might increase, female participants in your mastermind sessions. Posted via RS Mobile

[Manic!]

So predictable and so easy to manipulate. :thumbsup:



That's what I thought of you. You see your name on Google alerts and you run to defend yourself. We have kept you baited for 8 pages. The more time you spend here the less time you have to scam people.

How are you enjoying your leased benz?

[Gridlock]

You should get some plastic surgery. Might increase, female participants in your mastermind sessions. Posted via RS Mobile

That kind of shit does not need to be said here. We're all willing participants having a conversation among willing participants.

No one needs to be personally insulted.

[Ronin]

That's what I thought of you. You see your name on Google alerts and you run to defend yourself. We have kept you baited for 8 pages. The more time you spend here the less time you have to scam people.

How are you enjoying your leased benz?

Actually, the more time we all spend here, the higher "John Chow My Top Tier Business" ranks on Google.

[TTZ]

That's what I thought of you. You see your name on Google alerts and you run to defend yourself. We have kept you baited for 8 pages. The more time you spend here the less time you have to scam people.

How are you enjoying your leased benz?

This shows how little you know about my business. It's fully automated. I don't have to be there or look after it. My products are virtual. When someone buys something, I don't have to package it up or go to the post office to deliver it. The entire process, from ordering to product delivery, is hands off and all done electronically. That's why this business is attractive. It makes the money so you can sit on RS all day to have fun with haters. :)

The Benz is great. Any car you can get for free would be. When the lease on this SL550 expires, the company is getting me a SLS AMG GT. I'm not sure if I want the gullwing one or the convertible. I really should get the convertible because the OC has perfect weather for that, but I love the looks of the gullwing doors. Which one would you get?

Also, thanks for pointing out that you can get a free Mercedes with MTTB (http://www.johnchow.com/how-you-can-be-driving-a-mercedes-in-the-next-30-days/).

Like I said, so easy to manipulate. :)

[Manic!]

This shows how little you know about my business. It's fully automated. I don't have to be there or look after it. My products are virtual. When someone buys something, I don't have to package it up or go to the post office to deliver it. The entire process, from ordering to product delivery, is hand off and all done electronically. That's why this business is attractive. It makes the money so you can sit on RS all day to have fun with haters. :)

The Benz is great. Any car you can get for free would be. When the lease on this SL550 expires, the company is getting me a SLS AMG GT. I'm not sure if I want the gullwing one or the convertible. I really should get a convertible because the OC has perfect weather for that, but I love the looks of the gullwing doors.

Also thanks for pointing out that you can get a free Mercedes with MTTB (http://www.johnchow.com/how-you-can-be-driving-a-mercedes-in-the-next-30-days/).

Like I said, so easy manipulate. :)


So you don't charge 2k an hour for consulting? I'm not really impressed with cars Mercedes is coming out with now. But hey if it helps you sucker in people.

[JulyZerg]

When the lease on this SL550 expires, the company is getting me a SLS AMG GT. I'm not sure if I want the gullwing one or the convertible. I really should get a convertible because the OC has perfect weather for that, but I love the looks of the gullwing doors.

LOL

I'll call BS on the SLS AMG

Feel free to prove me wrong in 2 years.
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[meme405]

MTTB won't be around in 2 years so its a moot point.

It's funny cause he thinks he is roping us into posting but even if he wasn't I would keep bumping this thread so more people read how big of a scam John Chow is. I hope that for every idiot that sees this thread and thinks to buy your product, there is 4000 that realize, in the words of Jeremy Clarkson; John Chow deserves to be shot in front of his family (not that they would care, I bet they think he is a douche to).

Sorry Gridlock

[Gridlock]

^^Well, you won't be the first thread on the internet with that goal, or the last.

my top tier business, matt lloyd (http://www.warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/796607-my-top-tier-business-matt-lloyd.html)

[TTZ]

LOL

I'll call BS on the SLS AMG

Feel free to prove me wrong in 2 years.
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You won't have to wait that long. I'm already six months into the SL lease. It's not a question of the company paying for it. It was a question on whether I could maintain the points to keep such a car.

The SL cost me nine points a month. Points are awarded based on sales volume. Any points beyond nine gets banked to use in the future. I have enough points banked up that I can do zero sales until end of the lease and the lease would still be paid for, and I would still have points remaining.

Getting a SLS would require increasing the points from nine to 18 - 20, but that's no problem because I have over 500 points banked up, and I'm generating 60 to 100 per month at my current sales volume.

[Manic!]

You won't have to wait that long. I'm already six months into the SL lease. It's not a question of the company paying for it. It was a question on whether I could maintain the points to keep such a car.

The SL cost me nine points a month. Points are awarded based on sales volume. Any points beyond nine gets banked to use in the future. I have enough points banked up that I can do zero sales until end of the lease and the lease would still be paid for, and I would still have points remaining.

Getting a SLS would require increasing the points from nine to 18 - 20, but that's no problem because I have over 500 points banked up, and I'm generating 60 to 100 per month at my current sales volume.

Why wouldn't you just take the cash instead of taking a leased car?

[ajei]

lol...i was originally rooting against ttz in this thread but you guys dont cease commenting; and if you're such a newb and havent done reasearch into the companies or their customers' success (and not ones from his sales page) then i hope ttz takes ALL your money. if you truly had an interest in making money you'd be researching and testing day and night..all the info is out there for free, and there's ways to get hi priced info without paying.
anyways...keep hustling, John...best of luck
ps. are some of you actually reading this thread and sending him pm's asking for more info? lol

[milkStar]

The thread has turned into a John Chow bragging thread.

[Drow]

The thread has turned into a John Chow bragging thread.
i just watched john chow's vid "how to make money with haters"

nice nice.... im glad youre helping him make money

btw i recommend you get plastic surgery, you're sure one ugly phuc

[milkStar]

Hasn't it? Now hes just bragging he has enough points to upgrade to an sls. Hes just trying to rustle some jimmies now. You can tell by the tone he's presenting the information.

Plus dude, its a plausible recommendation. Its just vanity, he can be a better and more handsome John Chow, more handsome than he already is now. Wouldn't hurt for John Chow's face appearance has to match the sucessful abilities, and achievements of his character. "John Chow the hot sexy stud of my top tier business" doesn't that sound wonderful?

By the way Drow, I can out aesthetic you any day.

[SkinnyPupp]

This thread is on the first page for 'john chow mttb' and 'john chow mttb scam' (twice).

Anyone looking for third party info is going to see, among a bunch of haters bitching at him non stop, a lot of people asking legitimate questions about what the business really is (probably the same questions the searcher will have), and good responses and promotion from John himself. They will find unfounded claims that it's a MLM scheme, and proof that it isn't (it isn't, so stop trying to say it is. Just because an MLM company calls itself an affiliate program, doesn't mean a normal affiliate program is MLM. Come on)

He couldn't have handled this better, IMO.

On top of all that, RS gets nice google placement, lots of extra activity during an otherwise slow time. The haters get to hate, which they love for some reason, and the non haters get to be entertained. It's all good!

[Gridlock]

Full lame has officially been achieved.

[Manic!]

So now I can post this:

http://static.ukocdn.com/media/john-chow-rip-off.jpg

How John Chow Ripped Me Off For $300 | Dukeo.com (http://dukeo.com/how-john-chow-ripped-me-off-for-300/)

[SkinnyPupp]

So now I can post this:

http://static.ukocdn.com/media/john-chow-rip-off.jpg

How John Chow Ripped Me Off For $300 | Dukeo.com (http://dukeo.com/how-john-chow-ripped-me-off-for-300/)
Did you even read that post?

DO you even read or understand ANYTHING before posting here? This is like the third time you have posted a complete non sequitur here, trying to make a point that only exists in your mind...

TLDR for ya

-Guy draws some caricatures of John Chow. Not sure why, but there you go
-John uses them in a blog post, but without permission (bad) but links to his site (good)
-Guy gets irrationally mad, says John "ripped him off of $300" as if he scammed him or stole something
-John takes the pics down
-But it doesn't matter - John's links already gave his blog enough 'juice' to get that post to #1 for "john chow scam".
-So the #1 result for john chow scam is a case of him using images without permission. Not ruining someone's life or something you guys claim he does
-John wins yet again :lawl:

[Culverin]

You won't have to wait that long. I'm already six months into the SL lease. It's not a question of the company paying for it. It was a question on whether I could maintain the points to keep such a car.

The SL cost me nine points a month. Points are awarded based on sales volume. Any points beyond nine gets banked to use in the future. I have enough points banked up that I can do zero sales until end of the lease and the lease would still be paid for, and I would still have points remaining.

Getting a SLS would require increasing the points from nine to 18 - 20, but that's no problem because I have over 500 points banked up, and I'm generating 60 to 100 per month at my current sales volume.

At those rates, there's gotta be something a bit nicer than an SLS then?
What else can you get with your points?

[Manic!]

One of the new IM cultspeak slang terms tossed around is ‘top tier business’. Translated it means, I’m REALLY going to rip you off you pathetic gullible loser.

John Chow Wants To Get Into My Wallet With Matt Lloyd?s My Online Bullshit Empire | MindsetAndAttractionMarketing.com (http://mindsetandattractionmarketing.com/2013/06/john-chow-wants-to-get-into-your-wallet-with-matt-lloyds-my-online-bullshit-empire/)

[TTZ]

Why wouldn't you just take the cash instead of taking a leased car?

I would love to but then it wouldn't be call the car program. The car is part of the marketing to "sucker in people" as you put it. Who doesn't want a free car? This is especially true for guys with families. Odds are the wife would never let the husband buy an expensive Mercedes sports car. But if he was given one for free, then she can't say anything. :)

Originally, the cars were supposed to be Porsches, but it was switched to Mercedes after discovering that Porsches doesn't have dealerships is some areas car winners lived at. That's was too bad because I was looking forward to getting a 911 GT3. Oh well.

Oh, and to answer your $2,000 per hour question. I rarely do consulting because it's trading hours for dollars (http://www.johnchow.com/trading-hours-for-dollars/) and I hate doing that. I create systems that make the money so I don't have to. I set the rate at $2K an hour so nobody will call me. Once in a blue moon, some company will call, but they are few and far enough apart that I don't mind it.

[TTZ]

At those rates, there's gotta be something a bit nicer than an SLS then?
What else can you get with your points?

Unfortunately, only cars from Mercedes-Benz. It's call the Merc Program, and having licensees driving around in different brands of cars would dilute the message.

At $200K - $240K, I can think of quite a few other cars I would take over the SLS, but I'm not the one paying for it, so I really can't complain.

[Drow]

Hasn't it? Now hes just bragging he has enough points to upgrade to an sls. Hes just trying to rustle some jimmies now. You can tell by the tone he's presenting the information.

Plus dude, its a plausible recommendation. Its just vanity, he can be a better and more handsome John Chow, more handsome than he already is now. Wouldn't hurt for John Chow's face appearance has to match the sucessful abilities, and achievements of his character. "John Chow the hot sexy stud of my top tier business" doesn't that sound wonderful?

By the way Drow, I can out aesthetic you any day.

No you cant

Besides, what kinda MAN tries to out perform another MAN in appearence?

I dont know... Maybe gay guys or better yet... Women.

You think appearence adds points to a man's net worth?

I wouldnt be surprised if its you though... You have a korean lookin girl as your avatar... I assume u into the korean pop scene. That kinda makes sense, since the kpop culture breeds metrosexuals

Maybe thats how you can out aesthetic me anyday, you prob did go thru plastic surgery

Im not even gonna put on my srs hat talking to you, ill just continue to spew dumbass comments to you

[StylinRed]

Skinny I don't know why you are defending this so much and not being as critical as you normally would.


Because they know each other

[SkinnyPupp]

Because they know each other
We do but how am I being unreasonable?

Like I said before, I am only pointing out the stupidity and misinformation in this thread. I do that no matter what a thread is about :fuckthatshit:

Any defending is coming from John himself. He doesn't need me to defend the product (nor would I be interested in doing so).

[Ronin]

Is he really wearing an "I'm John Chow Bitch" t-shirt?

He gave me a "I'm with John Chow, bitch." t-shirt once.

...actually, twice.

[Manic!]

I would love to but then it wouldn't be call the car program. The car is part of the marketing to "sucker in people" as you put it. Who doesn't want a free car?


But it's not a free car. You got to be pretty stupid to believe the car is free.

[TTZ]

It's funny cause he thinks he is roping us into posting but even if he wasn't I would keep bumping this thread so more people read how big of a scam John Chow is. I hope that for every idiot that sees this thread and thinks to buy your product, there is 4000 that realize, in the words of Jeremy Clarkson; John Chow deserves to be shot in front of his family (not that they would care, I bet they think he is a douche to).

You keep bumping this thread and keep believing that "for every idiot that sees this thread and thinks to buy your product, there is 4000 that realize that John Chow deserves to be shot" is true.

I've been an Internet marketer for over ten years. I'm the 2012 Affiliate Blogger of The Year (http://theaffiliatemarketingawards.com/). I'm one of only 12 recipients of the AFFY Award (http://www.johnchow.com/the-affly-awards-at-affiliate-summit-east-2012/) (presented to me by Ice-T and his wife Coco). I know how the numbers really work, and if you ever decide to study IM, then you would know that the only thing you doing right now is making me money. :thumbsup:

[SpeedStars]

^because....any publicity....is good publicity :fullofwin:. But srs. This thread is beneficial to you in more ways than one.
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[SkinnyPupp]

If you tell people that they should be shot in front of their family, and that their family wouldn't care, I think you probably have some major, major issues.

[Manic!]

Skinnypupp, Ronin do you ever use this tactic on your sites?

One of the best ways is by writing reviews of products and then linking to the manufacturer via an affiliate link. If your blog is highly targeted and the product that you’re reviewing is highly targeted to your readership, you can do much better with an affiliate-commission-type structure than you can by just selling advertising for it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Skinnypupp, Ronin do you ever use this tactic on your sites?
I link directly to the manufacturer sites, so no. I don't see what the problem would be though.

I used to have aggregate price listings for each product I was reviewing, and that was very lucrative for a while (actually this was done through one of John's affiliate sites now that I think about it). But the whole industry died a few years ago.

[multicartual]

Notice the AFFY award looks like a buttplug


John Chow could have 100 million dollars and still not be as cool as Oprah

[dinosaur]

worst. thread. ever.

[dinosaur]

still not be as cool as Oprah

is Oprah cool? is this our goal now...to be as cool as Oprah??

[GS8]

When you win a taffy award, you'll have my attention.

Who doesn't love a good serving of taffy?

[milkStar]

No you cant

Besides, what kinda MAN tries to out perform another MAN in appearence?

I dont know... Maybe gay guys or better yet... Women.

You think appearence adds points to a man's net worth?

I wouldnt be surprised if its you though... You have a korean lookin girl as your avatar... I assume u into the korean pop scene. That kinda makes sense, since the kpop culture breeds metrosexuals

Maybe thats how you can out aesthetic me anyday, you prob did go thru plastic surgery

Im not even gonna put on my srs hat talking to you, ill just continue to spew dumbass comments to you

What a hypocrite, whatever you typed is totally contradicting what you're saying. You called me an "ugly phuc" and I tell you no in doubt I'm more aesthetic than you, you defend yourself by saying "the only way you can out aesthetic me is thru plastic surgery". Seems like you're the one trying to compete with me.

Nobody said appearance has to do anything with net worth. But pretty sure in our society being good looking wouldn't be unfavorable. As cruel as it sounds people do get preferential treatment.

Also please don't even talk about display pictures with me. Look at yours, it looks like a 13 year old girl from the jailbait section of hypebeast. You're into pedophilia...

Everything you spew out is dumbass comments. Why do you need a hats to talk to people. The only hat you need is one that says "Doofus". You should super glue it on your head so everyone doesn't have to communicate with you.

[TTZ]

Notice the AFFY award looks like a buttplug


John Chow could have 100 million dollars and still not be as cool as Oprah

Ya, Ice-T did called it a giant buttplug. I won a buttplug. ;)

[SkinnyPupp]

worst. thread. ever.
Hmm :considered:
What a hypocrite, whatever you typed is totally contradicting what you're saying. You called me an "ugly phuc" and I tell you no in doubt I'm more aesthetic than you, you defend yourself by saying "the only way you can out aesthetic me is thru plastic surgery". Seems like you're the one trying to compete with me.

Nobody said appearance has to do anything with net worth. But pretty sure in our society being good looking wouldn't be unfavorable. As cruel as it sounds people do get preferential treatment.

Also please don't even talk about display pictures with me. Look at yours, it looks like a 13 year old girl from the jailbait section of hypebeast. You're into pedophilia...

Everything you spew out is dumbass comments. Why do you need a hats to talk to people. The only hat you need is one that says "Doofus". You should super glue it on your head so everyone doesn't have to communicate with you.

Now it is

[TTZ]

Come on guys. You're suppose to hate on me, not your fellow members!

[StylinRed]

but you are a fellow member :fulloffuck:

We do but how am I being unreasonable?


didn't say you were

[SkinnyPupp]

but you are a fellow member :fulloffuck:



didn't say you were
Not you, the other guy.

[Ronin]

Notice the AFFY award looks like a buttplug


John Chow could have 100 million dollars and still not be as cool as Oprah

No one is as cool as Oprah.

[Ronin]

Skinnypupp, Ronin do you ever use this tactic on your sites?

Like what...to restaurants? Not much affiliate linking in the food world.

Loads of blogs do that though. Pretty much every camera review site has B&H, Amazon, Adorama, etc links that make them money. What's the problem?

[TTZ]

But it's not a free car. You got to be pretty stupid to believe the car is free.

Please explain how my SL, that MTTB pays for, is not a free car for me because I'm pretty stupid.

[Drow]

What a hypocrite, whatever you typed is totally contradicting what you're saying. You called me an "ugly phuc" and I tell you no in doubt I'm more aesthetic than you, you defend yourself by saying "the only way you can out aesthetic me is thru plastic surgery". Seems like you're the one trying to compete with me.

Nobody said appearance has to do anything with net worth. But pretty sure in our society being good looking wouldn't be unfavorable. As cruel as it sounds people do get preferential treatment.

Also please don't even talk about display pictures with me. Look at yours, it looks like a 13 year old girl from the jailbait section of hypebeast. You're into pedophilia...

Everything you spew out is dumbass comments. Why do you need a hats to talk to people. The only hat you need is one that says "Doofus". You should super glue it on your head so everyone doesn't have to communicate with you.

your moms so fat

that you suck your dads dick everyday you ugly phuc

and oh pls i can out aesthetic you any day of the week son

why dont you crawl back up your moms vag alrdy??




how does it feel? whatever you felt after reading the above is pretty much how i felt when you first posted in this thread

[SpeedStars]

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[Drow]

What a hypocrite, whatever you typed is totally contradicting what you're saying. You called me an "ugly phuc" and I tell you no in doubt I'm more aesthetic than you, you defend yourself by saying "the only way you can out aesthetic me is thru plastic surgery". Seems like you're the one trying to compete with me.

Nobody said appearance has to do anything with net worth. But pretty sure in our society being good looking wouldn't be unfavorable. As cruel as it sounds people do get preferential treatment.

Also please don't even talk about display pictures with me. Look at yours, it looks like a 13 year old girl from the jailbait section of hypebeast. You're into pedophilia...

Everything you spew out is dumbass comments. Why do you need a hats to talk to people. The only hat you need is one that says "Doofus". You should super glue it on your head so everyone doesn't have to communicate with you.

sorry milkstar i can't help it. i have to put on my SRS hat.

i was taking my time reading this thread. was really curious as to how john chow was gonna defend himself in this heated discussion till i read your post...

You should get some plastic surgery. Might increase, female participants in your mastermind sessions. Posted via RS Mobile

right then right there, i couldnt take it, i had to call you out for typing out of your ass

please excuse my earlier comments, i was only stooping to your level, but i cant believe how you took my post so srsly and replied to every sentence of it LOOOOL. you replied me seriously so i put back on my srs hat. please dont post out of your ass again and i won't do the same

you fuck

[dinosaur]

your moms so fat

that you suck your dads dick everyday you ugly phuc

and oh pls i can out aesthetic you any day of the week son

why dont you crawl back up your moms vag alrdy??




how does it feel? whatever you felt after reading the above is pretty much how i felt when you first posted in this thread

*is
*dad's
*fuck
*please
*don't
*mom's
*already

You are also missing a few commas and periods.

Also, I you are not using the word "aesthetic" properly. I would suggest googling "adjective".

Oh, and...please just stop all together. You are hurting my brain.

[Drow]

*is
*dad's
*fuck
*please
*don't
*mom's
*already

You are also missing a few commas and periods.

Also, I you are not using the word "aesthetic" properly. I would suggest googling "adjective".

Oh, and...please just stop all together. You are hurting my brain.

***NVM****

even thats too mean to post

hehe sorry, i'll behave myself :o

[Gridlock]

And there is now not even a little bit of you that i can respect, or tolerate.

[Ikkaku]

Also, I you are not using the word "aesthetic" properly. I would suggest googling "adjective".

Oh, and...please just stop all together. You are hurting my brain.

Oh, and...please just stop all together. You are hurting my brain.

Oh the irony.

[Lomac]

... anyway ...

[TTZ]

^because....any publicity....is good publicity :fullofwin:. But srs. This thread is beneficial to you in more ways than one.
Posted via RS Mobile

Ya, I'm fully aware how beneficial this thread is, especially now that it's been indexed by Google. This thread will also be used as part of my presentation for the upcoming Home Business Summit (http://homebusinesssummit.info).

It amazing how helpful haters can be. They've made me money, allowed me to get my message out, provided content for a Driving with John Chow episode, done exactly as I predicted, and gave me a great case study to use in a presentation.

One of my readers even asked me if I paid Acura604 to start this thread! LOL Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. :devil:

[68style]

I don't really get how this thread is allowed to exist when any other thread on Revscene that even hints at advertising for a business that isn't a sponsor gets shut down.

[radioman]

^Take a guess :lol

[Alby]

actually surprised this hasn't been moved to fight club yet.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't really get how this thread is allowed to exist when any other thread on Revscene that even hints at advertising for a business that isn't a sponsor gets shut down.
That's a policy that has needed to change for a very long time, and this thread makes a great case for allowing that change. We'll see

[parm104]

There is a distinct difference between defending a person and his values and defending a concept. Here the concept that needs to be defended is that a person who has not provoked any sort of attention on RevScene was "called out." His name was brought into the forum and his business was questioned.

What is a person to do then? Stay quiet and move on? Sure. But he's apart of this RevScene community and in fact, he's been around longer than most of us (although not as active.)

So the principle is why should we censor someone just because we don't like the way they're doing things? Why should we prevent someone from defending themselves and being criticized just because when doing so, he may be creating some publicity for himself. This thread should've been closed after the very first post if people are all up in arms about its existence now.

I would completely be on the other end of this if Chow had created his own thread saying "hey guys come check out what I do." But, he didn't and anything he's said in this thread has simply been a response or a rebuttal.

Let him be, you do you let him do him. Nothing he says or does will affect your life in way, shape or form.

[Manic!]

That's a policy that has needed to change for a very long time, and this thread makes a great case for allowing that change. We'll see

So I can post up my businesses?

[SkinnyPupp]

So I can post up my businesses?
If this goes through, then if someone was to ask where they could buy gas in Nanaimo, sure you would be able to make a post like that.

[parm104]

If this goes through, then if someone was to ask where they could buy gas in Nanaimo, sure you would be able to make a post like that.

LOL that rule is one of the silliest rules I've seen on this forum. A forum that used to be a legitimate place to receive reviews and insights, recommendations and tips has become a site where only businesses that pay money can be spoken about.

Advertising and referring are two, completely separate things.

[RFlush]

So I can post up my businesses?

I'm pretty sure blogs and websites are already allowed to be posted and advertised for free on RS as long as they are in a post and not starting a new thread to check it out.

[twitchyzero]

LOL that rule is one of the silliest rules I've seen on this forum. A forum that used to be a legitimate place to receive reviews and insights, recommendations and tips has become a site where only businesses that pay money can be spoken about.

Advertising and referring are two, completely separate things.

who would wanna to be a sponsor then
just be glad RS doesn't have ads smack dab center in the middle of a thread discussion.

[Manic!]

Please explain how my SL, that MTTB pays for, is not a free car for me because I'm pretty stupid.

Because you trade points for your car. Also the company pays for the car and where do you think that money comes from? It comes from the your sales make. Instead of giving you are car they could have just given you more cash. But a free car sounds better to gullible people.

[parm104]

who would wanna to be a sponsor then
just be glad RS doesn't have ads smack dab center in the middle of a thread discussion.

You understand what you're suggesting is that if someone is a sponsor, any other competitor in that same nature who is not a sponsor cannot be discussed, applauded or reviewed in any way?

The job of the website is to provide advertisement space. Not to eliminate conversation of the competition. It's not the yellow pages, it's an automotive forum that has a primary purpose of providing local knowledge and insights on the car scene. How can you do that if you're only restricted about talking about people who pay for sponsorship.

The YellowPages would have an obligation to ensure fair practice and opportunity for advertisement space. This is a discussion lead medium that can and should only guarantee the displaying of a sponsor's advertisement. What's next, can't post a deal that I find at Future Shop because SoundsGood Audio sells the same product? Can't recommend Meguilers Wax because Autowerks doesn't sell it?

[Manic!]

I'm pretty sure blogs and websites are already allowed to be posted and advertised for free on RS as long as they are in a post and not starting a new thread to check it out.

Hasn't been like that before. Some someone posted the needed a new CD player for there car and a non sponsor posted they would bet banned. That's how forbidden audio got banned.

[Manic!]

If this goes through, then if someone was to ask where they could buy gas in Nanaimo, sure you would be able to make a post like that.

So I could post up my apartment rentals, vacation rentals and any other business I have including any parties I DJ because I have 2 coming up.

[NKC ONE]

John if you don't mind me asking, what costs are associated with your ventures, before tax of course? I'm assuming what you claim you make is revenue and not the net profit. And since we're being honest here, how much have you net in the last 2 years? Is this passive income continuing to grow or has it been more of a stable thing?

[TTZ]

Because you trade points for your car. Also the company pays for the car and where do you think that money comes from? It comes from the your sales make. Instead of giving you are car they could have just given you more cash. But a free car sounds better to gullible people.

The points don't cost me anything. I didn't buy them or have to pay for them. If you didn't pay for it and you get to have it, then it's free.

If your friends takes you out for dinner, then you have a free dinner. Sure, you may have earned it because you help him moved or something, but you still have a free diner. Your friend didn't have to buy it for you. The free car is the same way. The company didn't have to buy (or lease in this case) it for me. They added the program as an additional reward on top of everything else. I wasn't expecting it, but it was a nice surprise.

[meme405]

You understand what you're suggesting is that if someone is a sponsor, any other competitor in that same nature who is not a sponsor cannot be discussed, applauded or reviewed in any way?

The job of the website is to provide advertisement space. Not to eliminate conversation of the competition. It's not the yellow pages, it's an automotive forum that has a primary purpose of providing local knowledge and insights on the car scene. How can you do that if you're only restricted about talking about people who pay for sponsorship.

The YellowPages would have an obligation to ensure fair practice and opportunity for advertisement space. This is a discussion lead medium that can and should only guarantee the displaying of a sponsor's advertisement. What's next, can't post a deal that I find at Future Shop because SoundsGood Audio sells the same product? Can't recommend Meguilers Wax because Autowerks doesn't sell it?

I like this post because you make a solid argument, yet miss the point entirely. Don't worry I bolded it for you.

THIS IS AN AUTOMOTIVE FORUM. I don't care that this is posted in the "off topic" area it has no place being posted on RS. In fact I believe RS has too many off-topic areas of discussion altogether, CiC needs to be banned and we need to get rid of the fight club area...

Back on topic, just because MTTB has tweaked the formula for income in that you only receive money back on the two people you recruit does not mean that its not an MLM. There are still multiple levels, its just the person at the top doesnt get money from the people at the bottom.

Back in the day they used to do what were called 8-ball MLM's. Where each person could only ever recruit 2 people, and those 2 people could only recruit 2 people, was this not an MLM because you couldnt recruit more than 2 people? Fuck no, of course it was still an MLM.

[Ronin]

Sorry but we are no longer just a car forum. We aren't about to say "No, we don't want your traffic." to all the different folks that talk about all sorts of different topics here on REVscene.

You don't have to go to the off-topic areas.

[meme405]

Sorry but we are no longer just a car forum. We aren't about to say "No, we don't want your traffic." to all the different folks that talk about all sorts of different topics here on REVscene.

You don't have to go to the off-topic areas.

No we are a vancouver lifestyle forum as well, but I don't believe this falls under that topic either.

Anyways I reached out to CBC because I thought Mr. Chow's "CBC documentary" looked pretty amateurish. Here is their response:

Dear XXXX,

Thank you for your email. The Documentary Programming department of CBC-TV has not and is not producing a documentary about John Chow. As I am not aware of the details and where you have seen the reference to this documentary , I cannot make any further comment.

Best regards,
Nadine Simunic

Nadine Simunic
Assistant to Mark Starowicz, Executive Director, Documentary Programming
Adjointe de Mark Starowicz, Directeur général, Émissions documentaires
CBC Television +1 (416) 205-8736
Home - Documentaries | CBC (http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries)

[Manic!]

The points don't cost me anything. I didn't buy them or have to pay for them. If you didn't pay for it and you get to have it, then it's free.

If your friends takes you out for dinner, then you have a free dinner. Sure, you may have earned it because you help him moved or something, but you still have a free diner. Your friend didn't have to buy it for you. The free car is the same way. The company didn't have to buy (or lease in this case) it for me. They added the program as an additional reward on top of everything else. I wasn't expecting it, but it was a nice surprise.

The car is a reward for work. If you have to work for something it's not free.

[Ronin]

No we are a vancouver lifestyle forum as well, but I don't believe this falls under that topic either.

Anyways I reached out to CBC because I thought Mr. Chow's "CBC documentary" looked pretty amateurish. Here is their response:

I don't want to sound like a dick but...there's no other way to say it: it doesn't matter what you believe.

I believe it was a documentary on social media in Vancouver and it was produced by a third party with funding from the CBC, where it aired. John was just one of the three segments of the doc. One was on John, one was Hootsuite and one was...I think something at a university. Don't remember.

[Manic!]

Ronin you get your free Mercedes yet? Because they are handing them out for free!!!

[TTZ]

John if you don't mind me asking, what costs are associated with your ventures, before tax of course? I'm assuming what you claim you make is revenue and not the net profit. And since we're being honest here, how much have you net in the last 2 years? Is this passive income continuing to grow or has it been more of a stable thing?

I have two dedicated servers from HostGator. They cost $600 per month.
My email list is hosted by Aweber. At its current size, the bill is $1,000 per month.
The Content Delivery Network (CDN) cost about $100 per month.
VaultPress Back Service cost $40 per month.
LinkTrackr tracking service cost $69 per month.
Vimeo Pro account cost $17 per month.
LeadPages landing page service cost $67 per month.
1000 attendee Go-To-Webinar service cost $499 per month.
Accounting and legal average $300 per month.
Advertising and promotions average $1,000 per month.

Adding it up bring the cost of running my business to $3,692 a month. There are some smaller costs that I didn't include, like $45 a year for a Flickr Pro and $45 a year for a Premium Evernote account, but those are the fixed costs I pay every month.

Mind you, this is the cost of my entire operation. If this was just MTTB, all you would need is LeadPages, Aweber, LinkTrackr, and a basic $5 per month HostGator account.

I've only been with MTTB for a year and a month, so I don't have two years income to show you. This is my stats for the past 30 days.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3786/10350125443_5afb6dc0de_o.png

From Sept 17 to Oct 17, I generated $178,804.47 in total revenue. There was $441 of refunds. My net commissions from the sales were $61,994.77. This was generated by sending 5,156 unique visitors to the various MTTB sales pages. Each visitor was worth $12.02.

At companies events, "cheques" are presented to licensees. These represent how much the licensee has earned in net commissions since joining. At the March event (I joined in Sept so six months) I got a cheque for $128,804.40.

http://www.johnchow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/photo1.jpg

Four months later, that cheque went to $206,047.95.

http://www.johnchow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/P7200361-575x471.jpg

At the next event in December, the cheque is estimated to be over $500,000. So pretty good growth.

In addition to the commissions, I'm given a 2013 Mercedes-Benz SL550 for free. It's a two year lease and MTTB pays for it. While I don't pay for the car, this is a taxable benefit to me and it will have to be included in my tax return.

The company also hold monthly contests with mostly cash prizes. I won $25,000 cash (http://myonlinebusinessempire.com/affiliateshub/who-won-the-50k/) in the last one.

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Since joining MTTB, I have won $73,000 in cash, $15,000 in gold coins, a $5,000 trip to Fiji (which I haven't took yet), and a Macbook Air.

Adding it all up, I estimate my MTTB net income in 2013 will be around $600,000 on $1.6 to $1.7 million gross revenue.

My blog used to have an income case study (http://www.johnchow.com/search-results/?cof=FORID%3A11&cx=003604004838249276288%3Amyafkgzlfxy&ie=UTF-8&q=blog+income+report&siteurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.johnchow.com%2Fwhat-cinemas-can-teach-you-about-upselling%2F&siteurl=www.johnchow.com%2Fwhat-cinemas-can-teach-you-about-upselling%2F&ref=www.google.com%2Fcse%3Fcof%3DFORID%253A11%26cx %3D003604004838249276288%253Amyafkgzlfxy%26ie%3DUT F-8%26q%3Dbig%2Bchecks%26siteurl%3Dwww.johnchow.com% 252F%26ref%3Dwww.johnchow.com%252Fwp-admin%252Fedit-comments.php%253Fcomment_status%253Dspam%2526paged %253D1%2526deleted%253D28%26ss%3D3927j2090741j14%2 6ad%3Dn9%26num%3D10%26rurl%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fww w.johnchow.com%252Fsearch-results%252F%253Fcof%253DFORID%25253A11%2526cx%253 D003604004838249276288%25253Amyafkgzlfxy%2526ie%25 3DUTF-8%2526q%253Dbig%252Bchecks%2526siteurl%253Dhttp%25 253A%25252F%25252Fwww.johnchow.com%25252Fwhat-cinemas-can-teach-you-about-upselling%25252F%2526siteurl%253Dwww.johnchow.com% 25252F%2526ref%253Dwww.johnchow.com%25252Fwp-admin%25252Fedit-comments.php%25253Fcomment_statu&ss=6670j5797388j30) where I post how much it made every month and what I did to make it. The case study started in September 2006 and ran for two years. At the end of the two year period, the blog income was over $40K a month, with a daily average readership of 50,000. Today, the blog has an daily average readership of 250K. It's safe to say the blog income is doing OK.

I try to automate everything as much as possible. The most time consuming thing in my business is my blog because it requires me to actually write articles for it. I do have three writers that provide additional content, but because the blog is named John Chow dot Com, readers expect to see me on it. My information product sales (which I haven't talked about) and MTTB are pretty much fully automated.

The really funny thing is when I tell people how much it cost to run my Internet business, they are shocked that it cost so much! I guess people expect everything on the Internet for free. Seriously, how many million dollar businesses do you know that can be ran on less than $4K a month?

[Manic!]

http://www.infomercial-hell.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/vu_seminar_1.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/PROP-Money-500-000-00-Lot-50-x-10k-Filler-Bundles-New-100-Bills-Movie-Stacks-/00/s/OTI0WDEyODA=/z/CQQAAOxySy9SSamM/$T2eC16RHJIUFHG0G+ym(BSS,mMTLrg~~60_57.JPG

Prop Money $500 000 00 Lot 50 x $10K Filler Bundles New $100 Bills Movie Stacks | eBay

So you claim you won 73k. Is mttb running some type of lottery?

[TTZ]

Back in the day they used to do what were called 8-ball MLM's. Where each person could only ever recruit 2 people, and those 2 people could only recruit 2 people, was this not an MLM because you couldnt recruit more than 2 people? Fuck no, of course it was still an MLM.

You can refer as many licensees as you want to MTTB. There is no limit.

Like I said multiple times now, it's a 2-tier affiliate program. Just like the one Google used when they launched Google AdSense. I was making money by running Google ads on my blog. I was also making money by referring other bloggers to run Google ads on their blogs. Google gave me a cut of the money from the blogs I referred. If those other bloggers referred other bloggers to Google, Google pays those blogs a commission. I get nothing.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand. But feel free to keep going with your MLM bent.

[TTZ]

Anyways I reached out to CBC because I thought Mr. Chow's "CBC documentary" looked pretty amateurish. Here is their response:

Here's the full documentary on the CBC website. Enjoy! Generation Social: The Vancouver Network - Absolutely Canadian - CBC Player (http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2303020192/?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=HootSuite&utm_campaign=SocialPosts)

[meme405]

I don't want to sound like a dick but...there's no other way to say it: it doesn't matter what you believe.

And what you believe does matter? In the words of another member:


okay okay, no but seriously. I srsly hate it when people say something like "I don't mean to..." or "I don't want to sound". Pretty sure I'm not the only one either.



I believe it was a documentary on social media in Vancouver and it was produced by a third party with funding from the CBC, where it aired. John was just one of the three segments of the doc. One was on John, one was Hootsuite and one was...I think something at a university. Don't remember.

So then John should stop mis-representing the information shouldn't he?

Cause he clearly stated:

The CBC did this documentary on me last year (not that anyone watches CBC documentaries).

The John Chow Story - YouTube (http://youtu.be/-5H3Maibe6Y)

Then in his (frankly ridiculous) video (below), he states at 3:45 again that the documentary was done "BY CBC".


Driving with John Chow - Episode 27 How To Make Money Off Haters - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgYeM0B6GN4)

He is clearly stating that the research was done by someone at CBC, and that it was verified by them; however, this is clearly not the case.

EDIT: oh and the funny part of his "driving with john chow" video is right after he states it was done by the CBC he goes on to explain "for the american viewers who dont know what the CBC is" that it is similar to the BBC (not an american broadcasting service, its british). I don't know if that means he thinks that the BBC is american or if he just used a really stupid example...

[TTZ]

^ I hope you realize how badly you're being owned right now.

Once again. Here's the full documentary on the CBC website. Enjoy! Generation Social: The Vancouver Network - Absolutely Canadian - CBC Player (http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2303020192/?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=HootSuite&utm_campaign=SocialPosts)

[meme405]

You can refer as many licensees as you want to MTTB. There is no limit.

Like I said multiple times now, it's a 2-tier affiliate program. Just like the one Google used when they launched Google AdSense. I was making money by running Google ads on my blog. I was also making money by referring other bloggers to run Google ads on their blogs. Google gave me a cut of the money from the blogs I referred. If those other bloggers referred other bloggers to Google, Google pays those blogs a commission. I get nothing.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand. But feel free to keep going with your MLM bent.

You're so dumb, my point was that MLM's come in all forms and shapes and sizes, the fact that they are all a little different is what allows them to co-exist and continues to keep making people fall for this stupid shit.

AND STOP COMPARING MTTB TO GOOGLE, google did not make people shell out $2000. Understand that we are never actually talking about the product you are selling, because the product you are selling is garbage (hence why google dumped it and moved on), we are always talking about the recruitment of people, because that is what the business actually is.

Again, MLM's come in all different forms, I have demonstrated a bunch of different types, just because your format does not suit these types does not mean it is not an MLM, just means its a new format...

To be clear there is only two options here, there is single tiered marketing, and multi level, since this is clearly not single tiered it must me multi tiered.

You cannot debate this anymore...

[meme405]

^ I hope you realize how badly you're being owned right now.

Once again. Here's the full documentary on the CBC website. Enjoy! Generation Social: The Vancouver Network - Absolutely Canadian - CBC Player (http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2303020192/?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=HootSuite&utm_campaign=SocialPosts)

You posted at basically the same time as me, so I didn't get to see your post while making mine, so no I am not being owned.

Again, THE ACTUAL INFORMATION REPORTED WAS NOT VALIDIFIED BY CBC, they simply helped fund the video.

You are lying when you present it as if the CBC stands behind what you are doing. And either way the video never talks about MTTB it is only talking about your blog, so MTTB is still a scam.

[TTZ]

To be clear there is only two options here, there is single tiered marketing, and multi level, since this is clearly not single tiered it must me multi tiered.

You cannot debate this anymore...

So you think a 2-tier affiliate program is a MLM? OK! When I'm in Vegas for the Affiliate Summit in January, I'll be sure to tell eBay, Google Affiliate Network (another division of Google), ClickBank, and all those other ad networks that they are running a MLM business!

BTW - they're making a documentary movie about me. It comes out in 2014. You want to dispute that like the CBC documentary? Come on. Do it. I know you want to! :devil:

[TTZ]

You posted at basically the same time as me, so I didn't get to see your post while making mine, so no I am not being owned.

Again, THE ACTUAL INFORMATION REPORTED WAS NOT VALIDIFIED BY CBC, they simply helped fund the video.

You are lying when you present it as if the CBC stands behind what you are doing. And either way the video never talks about MTTB it is only talking about your blog, so MTTB is still a scam.

I guess you never worked at the CBC or any TV station before. Standard procedure for anything airing through the CBC (or the Province or Vancouver Sun) must first be viewed by legal and the fact checking team.

I've been interviewed enough times to know how it works. After the reporter talks to me, I would get calls from a rep at the news outlet to fact check.

I don't see why I'm even debating this point. Anyone who has ever worked at a news outlet knows this.

You accused me of posting a fake CBC documentary. When I show the doc, you completely ignore that you were wrong, and then claim the CBC didn't fact check. But wait! You said the CBC never did a documentary on me so how could they fact check? Just give up on this one. You lost. Pick something else to flight over.

[dinosaur]

I think meme405 is about to have a stroke.

[Gridlock]

This is fucking shameful.

How, HOW, in a 2-on-1 battle against one little guy on the internet can you lose so horribly bad?

He's an internet marketer for christ's sake. Half the work is done for you.

[Ronin]

I don't know why I expected you to know this but a lot of the content on CBC is created by contractors. They pitch stories to the CBC, they get approved funding and then they shoot it. I don't know how the process works but having been interviewed by them for food, hockey and other Vancouver related things, only twice were they actual CBC employees, if that's what you're wondering.

One of the three segments was called "The John Chow Story" and aired on CBC, paid for by CBC, and one of the guys there was wearing a CBC jacket. You can mail whoever you want but...I was in the video, I think I would know.

[parm104]

John, who decides what font type to use for those large cheques?

[TTZ]

John, who decides what font type to use for those large cheques?

I don't know. It wasn't me.

[SoNaRWaVe]

I've been reading this thread from the start and I don't really see why you guys are getting all worked up about this. John Chow has found a way/system to make him money. He gets good at it and capitalizes on it.

You may not like the ways he is making money, so express your opinion and move on. Nothing you say will change his ways. You go on with your lifestyle and making the money on how you see fit and he goes on his merry and does his thing. Why drag this on?

[TTZ]

This is fucking shameful.

How, HOW, in a 2-on-1 battle against one little guy on the internet can you lose so horribly bad?

The answer is written in my t-shirt. ;)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5043/5334686946_6fa0f36e21_o.jpg

[Alby]

I've been reading this thread from the start and I don't really see why you guys are getting all worked up about this. John Chow has found a way/system to make him money. He gets good at it and capitalizes on it.

You may not like the ways he is making money, so express your opinion and move on. Nothing you say will change his ways. You go on with your lifestyle and making the money on how you see fit and he goes on his merry and does his thing. Why drag this on?

part of the debate on this thread is HOW the money is made and the STEPS it takes to get the system to work. in a way i can see how it feels like a scam. not all costs are advertised up front, but its discovered later when they have already taken some money from you.

[SoNaRWaVe]

but the application money can be refunded to you as stated before. especially when you don't want to take the 2k plunge.

[puff_daddy]

John Chow is the shit on the bottom of my shoe

[Manic!]

http://viphotobooth.smugmug.com/Other/JOHN-CHOW-SCAM/i-r7gnLrQ/0/O/JOHN-CHOW-SCAM.jpg


Fake money john really?

How do you defend that Skinnypup, Ronin.

[Drow]

You posted at basically the same time as me, so I didn't get to see your post while making mine, so no I am not being owned.

Again, THE ACTUAL INFORMATION REPORTED WAS NOT VALIDIFIED BY CBC, they simply helped fund the video.

You are lying when you present it as if the CBC stands behind what you are doing. And either way the video never talks about MTTB it is only talking about your blog, so MTTB is still a scam.

what do you hope to accomplish??

at the end of the day, hes pulling in mad cash and youre just player hating

[Manic!]

what do you hope to accomplish??

at the end of the day, hes pulling in mad cash and youre just player hating

You mean fake money off ebay. Then I guess you are right. he clams you can make 10 a day. That's 3.65 mill a year. But even John chow claims he does not make that. So he is just full of B.S.

[TTZ]

Oh Manic. You just keep trying don't you? That's why I linked to the contest results page (http://myonlinebusinessempire.com/affiliateshub/who-won-the-50k/). The "money" was presented in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico so it could be captured on video.

$50,000 MOBE Partner Contest Winners - YouTube

You ever tried bringing in $50K of real USD cash into Mexico? Not a good idea.

And why didn't you accused my cheque of being fake? Because it is. Just represents how much commission I made. I can't cash it. The money is used as a representation of my winnings, just like the big cheques are used to represent my commissions.

And where in this thread did I said you can make $10K a day.

[SoNaRWaVe]

this is getting guuuud :Popcorn

[RDot604]

Manic, your losing the battle. Just give it up...

[Manic!]

Oh Manic. You just keep trying don't you? That's why I linked to the contest results page (http://myonlinebusinessempire.com/affiliateshub/who-won-the-50k/). The "money" was presented in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico so it could be captured on video.

$50,000 MOBE Partner Contest Winners - YouTube (http://youtu.be/GihW5WZjPdE)

You ever tried bringing in $50K of real USD cash into Mexico? Not a good idea.

That cash is fake. It's used as a prop at one of your seminars to impress the people who paid 15K to be there. The bills are too white to be real. I deal with cash every day and have taken the bank of Canada course on counterfeit currency Lets see a higher rez pic of that stack of cash.

In 91 My Dad, Brother, Uncle and me went to California to by two cars. My Dad bought a Mercedes 420 SEL and my brother bought a 87 vette. They paid cash and brought the money from Canada. so I know what it's like to bring large sums of money into Canada.

[SkinnyPupp]

http://viphotobooth.smugmug.com/Other/JOHN-CHOW-SCAM/i-r7gnLrQ/0/O/JOHN-CHOW-SCAM.jpg


Fake money john really?

How do you defend that Skinnypup, Ronin.
Congrats on potentially opening yourself up to a slander suit

You could have merely pointed out that they were using prop money (probably a good idea not to cross the border from Mexico carrying $50K in cash) but no, you took it a step further and made a photo calling him a "scam artist"

Enjoy! (if John chooses, he has every right to sue and will not even need our support in doing so.. once something is on the internet, good luck getting rid of it)

You and meme405 have gone from being hilarious haters, to maybe they are trolls because nobody is really this dumb, to completely sad cases

:okay:

[Manic!]

Oh Manic. You just keep trying don't you? That's why I linked to the contest results page (http://myonlinebusinessempire.com/affiliateshub/who-won-the-50k/). The "money" was presented in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico so it could be captured on video.

$50,000 MOBE Partner Contest Winners - YouTube (http://youtu.be/GihW5WZjPdE)

You ever tried bringing in $50K of real USD cash into Mexico? Not a good idea.

And why didn't you accused my cheque of being fake? Because it is. Just represents how much commission I made. I can't cash it. The money is used as a representation of my winnings, just like the big cheques are used to represent my commissions.

And where in this thread did I said you can make $10K a day.

OK $9552 a day.

http://easyaccessprofits.com/

[Manic!]

Congrats on potentially opening yourself up to a slander suit

You could have merely pointed out that they were using prop money (probably a good idea not to walk around Mexico with $50K in cash) but no, you took it a step further and made a photo calling him a "scam artist"

Enjoy! (if John chooses, he has every right to sue and will not even need our support in doing so.. once something is on the internet, good luck getting rid of it)

So you admit it's prop money. He claims it's real.

[TTZ]

OK $9552 a day.

http://easyaccessprofits.com/

That's not my site. That was the site you asked me to show as an example of a site that I help create for someone else. That site belongs to my JV partner Peng Joon, and he makes way more than $10K a day. Peng is the founder of Smobble (http://www.smobble.com)

[SkinnyPupp]

So you admit it's prop money. He claims it's real.
The money represents real earnings. He earned $50K, here's a pile of $50K. The money he earned is real.

Like those fake novelty checks. Those checks aren't real either, but they still get the money that's on them.

Seriously... come on :seriously:

[TTZ]

So you admit it's prop money. He claims it's real.

You better be REAL CAREFUL what you post moving forward. I NEVER claimed or said the cash in the photo was real. I said I won $25,000 cash, which is 100% true. I've downloaded the photo you created and depending on how you behave, I will decide if I should have my lawyer give you a call.

I never sued a hater before. Might be a fun experiment.

[SkinnyPupp]

It won't be the first time in RS history that a member got sued for slander either. In some cases the plaintiff asks us to take the thread down, but I don't think John will want us to remove this thread

[Manic!]

The money represents real earnings. He earned $50K, here's a pile of $50K. The money he earned is real.

Like those fake novelty checks. Those checks aren't real either, but they still get the money that's on them.

Seriously... come on :seriously:

I'm falling him a scammer because I don't think he made that money. It was all a show to sucker people into giving more money.

[TTZ]

I guess I could add meme405 to the list as well for that statement about me faking the CBC documentary. That would be an easy case to win.

[SoNaRWaVe]

Manic, its better to just let this be and forget about this thread. This is not worth your while looking at the direction this thread is heading. IMO, this is not worth your time, nor effort. And remember,

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w103/mr5nw/fighting.jpg

[Manic!]

I guess I could add meme405 to the list as well for that statement about me faking the CBC documentary. That would be an easy case to win.

If you are going to sue me i want a list of every person that was at that conference and all your financial records. I have a family member who is an very good accountant.

[SoNaRWaVe]

^ I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. And I'm not going to get into it.

[SkinnyPupp]

I have a family member who is an very good accountant.

I'm sure your uncle will be very interested in helping you win an argument on the internet by auditing a bunch of millionaires :lawl:

You flat out stated your reason for slander. You said "I don't think he made that money". All John has to do is prove he made that money.

[ZN6]

If you are going to sue me i want a list of every person that was at that conference and all your financial records. I have a family member who is an very good accountant.

:facepalm:"HEY HAND OVER THE GUN THAT I THINK YOU USED TO SHOOT THE VICTIM! MY UNCLE IS A FORENSICS EXPERT AND CAN PROVE YOU DID IT ONLY IF HE HAD THAT GUN YOU MAY HAVE USED"

You serious?

[Manic!]

I'm sure your uncle will be very interested in helping you win an argument on the internet by auditing a bunch of millionaires :lawl:

You flat out stated your reason for slander. You said "I don't think he made that money". All John has to do is prove he made that money.

Then prove it. I also called him a scam artist.

[TTZ]

The contest results page (http://myonlinebusinessempire.com/affiliateshub/who-won-the-50k/) showing I won $25K, plus the $25 in my bank account should do it.

The great thing about slander is he can be right on 9 out of 10 claims, but I win one of them, I win the entire case.

He called me a scammer. That's slander right there. He would need to prove in court that I'm a scammer. He can't even do that on RS. Good luck in court! LOL

[MindBomber]

You better be REAL CAREFUL what you post moving forward. I NEVER claimed or said the cash in the photo was real. I said I won $25,000 cash, which is 100% true. I've downloaded the photo you created and depending on how you behave, I will decide if I should have my lawyer give you a call.

I never sued a hater before. Might be a fun experiment.

I guess I could add meme405 to the list as well for that statement about me faking the CBC documentary. That would be an easy case to win.

The photo presents the suggestions the "currency" is currency. Manic!'s observation that it is "currency" is astute and creates fair questions.

The CBC Documentary presents poor production qualities. Meme45 has demonstrated commendable due diligence by contacting CBC directly to confirm its authenticity given those qualities.

John, you are choosing to not only engage Manic! and Meme45, but to encourage them to question you. You even encourage your viewers to respond similarly to those like Manic! and Meme45. To then fault Manic! and Meme45 is unfair, and analagous to blaming a lion you taunted for attacking.

Rather than threatening Manic! and Meme45 with lawsuits to essentially end the discussion, the mature approach would be to simply walk away.

In my humble opinion, this thread has run its course and it should be shut down. There has been nothing but petty bickering for pages.

[meme405]

Go ahead try to sue me. I contacted the company you claimed responsible for conducting the documentary they claimed they knew nothing about it. I came here and posted it. It's not my fault they didn't remember. I assumed CBC wouldn't email out wrong information. For the record the only reason I contacted them was because I couldn't find anything on their site.

Like I said go ahead sue me, I stand behind my earlier statements, I believe you are scamming people, I believe the way you make your money is unethical, I believe you mis-represent your product, and I believe you are a liar.

Oh and I have contacted Linda Steele (the on your side girl), I hope she can do a segment on your ethical approach to business.

I do not feel like doing the fact checking necessary to write a cohesive argument here. But I know what you are running is just a complex MLM and w/e I write you only take the small portion you feel like responding too. So this is pointless.

Again so more people see the message, DO NOT GIVE JOHN CHOW A PENNY, YOU WILL LOSE MONEY. ITS NOT WORTH IT.

[TTZ]

The photo presents the suggestions the "currency" is currency. Manic!'s observation that it is "currency" is astute and creates fair questions.

The CBC Documentary presents poor production qualities. Meme45 has demonstrated commendable due diligence by contacting CBC directly to confirm its authenticity given those qualities.

John, you are choosing to not only engage Manic! and Meme45, but to encourage them to question you. You even encourage your viewers to respond similarly to those like Manic! and Meme45. To then fault Manic! and Meme45 is unfair, and analagous to blaming a lion you taunted for attacking.

Rather than threatening Manic! and Meme45 with lawsuits to essentially end the discussion, the mature approach would be to simply walk away.

In my humble opinion, this thread has run its course and it should be shut down. There has been nothing but petty bickering for pages.

You know what? You are absolutely right! I had my fun and I think it's time to end it.

Manic, meme405. You two have been great. The next time I'm up in Vancouver, let's go for drinks. I'll buy. I know you two are not like this in real life (at least I hope not), and I'm sure if you get to know me, you'll see that I'm not really a bad guy either.

Piece out!

[Alby]

The photo presents the suggestions the "currency" is currency. Manic!'s observation that it is "currency" is astute and creates fair questions.

The CBC Documentary presents poor production qualities. Meme45 has demonstrated commendable due diligence by contacting CBC directly to confirm its authenticity given those qualities.

John, you are choosing to not only engage Manic! and Meme45, but to encourage them to question you. You even encourage your viewers to respond similarly to those like Manic! and Meme45. To then fault Manic! and Meme45 is unfair, and analagous to blaming a lion you taunted for attacking.

Rather than threatening Manic! and Meme45 with lawsuits to essentially end the discussion, the mature approach would be to simply walk away.

In my humble opinion, this thread has run its course and it should be shut down. There has been nothing but petty bickering for pages.

totally agreed here. but why would john walk away? by all means, he will try and get people to keep this thread going, regardless if its useless posts or questions. its making him money!

this thread is only gonna die if people stop egging both sides to continue or lock the thread

[TTZ]

totally agreed here. but why would john walk away? by all means, he will try and get people to keep this thread going, regardless if its useless posts or questions. its making him money!

this thread is only gonna die if people stop egging both sides to continue or lock the thread

Yes, this thread is making me money, but it's not enough to justify my time. I've been doing it because it was fun. From a financial standpoint, I can send out an email blast, which takes a few min, and pull in 50X what I would make off this thread.

But if the haters wish to keep this thread going, that's up to them. I got my message out, so I won't be posting to it anymore.

[dinosaur]

Go ahead try to sue me. I contacted the company you claimed responsible for conducting the documentary they claimed they knew nothing about it. I came here and posted it. It's not my fault they didn't remember. I assumed CBC wouldn't email out wrong information. For the record the only reason I contacted them was because I couldn't find anything on their site.

Like I said go ahead sue me, I stand behind my earlier statements, I believe you are scamming people, I believe the way you make your money is unethical, I believe you mis-represent your product, and I believe you are a liar.

Oh and I have contacted Linda Steele (the on your side girl), I hope she can do a segment on your ethical approach to business.

I do not feel like doing the fact checking necessary to write a cohesive argument here. But I know what you are running is just a complex MLM and w/e I write you only take the small portion you feel like responding too. So this is pointless.

Again so more people see the message, DO NOT GIVE JOHN CHOW A PENNY, YOU WILL LOSE MONEY. ITS NOT WORTH IT.

Ya know dude, you have put a lot of effort into this and I can tell you, you are not going to get what you want.

I may think this whole thing is kinda bullshitty...a little scamy....and a whole lot of fishy....but, it doesn't matter and truthfully, I don't care that much. This shit doesn't effect me. If this John guy has made millions, cool. It has no relevance in my life....and it should have any relevance in yours.

I have been involved in my fair share of threads that spin down into fightclub-esque banter. I get it...It ain't fucking worth it. Just (metaphorically) walk away.

[meme405]

TTZ reached out to me, and I can respect. Should have never escalated to a personal standpoint, so I apologize for that.

TTZ has stated that if Linda Steele would like to do a segment he is up for it, so if that opportunity arises I will pass on her information.

I still do feel that if it takes this much effort to explain what you do for a living and how you make money that something is wrong, and I do not want anyone to think that this post constitutes me thinking I am wrong. I still do not believe anyone should give their money to John Chow, or anyone else for that matter, without doing research for themselves. Information is power. Also keep in mind that if it seems too good to be true it probably is.

I am no longer entering this thread, me and TTZ have both walked away.

[StylinRed]

good luck trying to sue them for defamation when you're in a picture holding play money saying you won real money :rolleyes:

good luck trying to sue for defamation when meme45 is relating information from cbc that you lied about a cbc documentary (rather than something supposedly aired on cbc)


why isnt this thread in fight club? or closed?

[SkinnyPupp]

Wow, just when I thought everyone was done with making themselves look bad... :rukidding:
good luck trying to sue them for defamation when you're in a picture holding play money saying you won real money :rolleyes:
The issue isn't that the money is real or not, it's that the person said he was claiming it was real when it wasn't (that claim was never made) and that he was claiming to have won the money when he didn't (he did win the money). On top of all that, he made this huge defamatory picture meant to be taken out of context.

Basically Manic was willing to submit himself to a loss in court in order to win an internet argument that he was never going to win.

good luck trying to sue for defamation when meme45 is relating information from cbc that you lied about a cbc documentary (rather than something supposedly aired on cbc) First of all, nobody claimed there could be a suit against meme 45.

Secondly it didn't "supposedly" air on CBC, it did air on CBC. People in this very thread were there when it was filmed, and saw themselves on CBC. He emailed some random person at CBC that for some reason didn't know it aired. In return, john posted a link to the video on CBC's website.

[Brianrietta]

Wow, just when I thought everyone was done with making themselves look bad... :rukidding:

First of all, nobody claimed there could be a suit against meme 45.


I guess I could add meme405 to the list as well for that statement about me faking the CBC documentary. That would be an easy case to win.

:badpokerface:


My only post in this thread will simply be that if this were any other thread I feel like it would have been locked and closed and moved off to adminland a long time ago. It appears that the main bitchfit is over and I don't see anything other than further discord to be gained by keeping this thread open.

[Ronin]

Yeah, I mean...I think I would know about the CBC documentary.

Being in it and all.

[Manic!]

I was going to stop posting but I can't. And we all know why this thread is still open. Should have been closed by te second page like all other threads of this nature. I still remember an RS member getting in shit because he bought a pair of rims of an RS member then tried to flip them again on RS.



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cash
1 [kash] Show IPA
noun
1.
money in the form of coins or banknotes, especially that issued by a government.
2.
money or an equivalent, as a check, paid at the time of making a purchase.

[subordinate]

The mods should have issued temp bans or points in the beginning when this was all getting out of hand.

Not sure why it isn't.

[Razor Ramon HG]

This thread is just sad.
Posted via RS Mobile

[StylinRed]

Wow, just when I thought everyone was done with making themselves look bad... :rukidding: oh i totally agree with that ^^^^ (by this thread being left open)

The issue isn't that the money is real or not, it's that the person said he was claiming it was real when it wasn't (that claim was never made) and that he was claiming to have won the money when he didn't (he did win the money). On top of all that, he made this huge defamatory picture meant to be taken out of context. he has a picture with fake money, he said or didnt say that he won that money (manic has a link to a page which says he did but ttz then claims its not his webpage) my point stands good luck trying to sue over such circumstances


First of all, nobody claimed there could be a suit against meme 45.
Brianrietta answered that for me

Secondly it didn't "supposedly" air on CBC, it did air on CBC. would be hard pressed to have me use a word other than supposed (assumed as true) since i didn't know otherwise.

[dinosaur]

The mods should have issued temp bans or points in the beginning when this was all getting out of hand.

Not sure why it isn't.

Why?

No rules have been broken....people may not agree with opinions stated by either side, but issuing bans and points for having those opinions would be fucking pathetic.

[Acura604]

^^^ this ^^^

Think go it as one big debate although the personal attacks weren't necessary.

And...maybe just maybe some poor jackass does an extensive search on the MTTB and finds this thread and decides against joining! We would have saved some poor soul a whole lot of misery.

Anyways...the original post by me presented some questions and they have been answered. Thanks to all.

[SkinnyPupp]

Brianrietta answered that for me

Brianrietta confused TTZ's joke about meme45 with my post about Manic

As for this thread, we can keep it open but we'll ban the trolls from posting in it. Let's start with the guy who said, presumably not in a sarcastic way, "I was going to stop posting but I can't."

Well now you can :troll:

[CharlesInCharge]

Have cliff notes of this thread been posted already? :concentrate:

[RDot604]

Well, that escalated quickly....

[NKC ONE]

Have cliff notes of this thread been posted already? :concentrate:

Something about Zionist making dough.

"We all know that cash rules everything around us: cash, green, get the money, dollar dollar bill ya'll."

[Brianrietta]

Brianrietta confused TTZ's joke about meme45 with my post about Manic

As for this thread, we can keep it open but we'll ban the trolls from posting in it. Let's start with the guy who said, presumably not in a sarcastic way, "I was going to stop posting but I can't."

Well now you can :troll:


Wow, just when I thought everyone was done with making themselves look bad... :rukidding:

Originally Posted by StylinRed
good luck trying to sue them for defamation when you're in a picture holding play money saying you won real money

The issue isn't that the money is real or not, it's that the person said he was claiming it was real when it wasn't (that claim was never made) and that he was claiming to have won the money when he didn't (he did win the money). On top of all that, he made this huge defamatory picture meant to be taken out of context.

Basically Manic was willing to submit himself to a loss in court in order to win an internet argument that he was never going to win.

Originally Posted by StylinRed
good luck trying to sue for defamation when meme45 is relating information from cbc that you lied about a cbc documentary (rather than something supposedly aired on cbc)

First of all, nobody claimed there could be a suit against meme 45.

Secondly it didn't "supposedly" air on CBC, it did air on CBC. People in this very thread were there when it was filmed, and saw themselves on CBC. He emailed some random person at CBC that for some reason didn't know it aired. In return, john posted a link to the video on CBC's website.

No, there was no confusion. Your post was obviously half about Manic! and half about meme405. You said that nobody had claimed there could be a suit and I posted where (regardless of the potentially humorous intent) TTZ said that he could and it would be an easy case to win. Now it's possible that the lighthearted hilarious world of defamation lawsuits simply eludes me but I tend to think it more likely that in the hundreds of posts in this thread you just missed that post and upon seeing my Bad Poker Face you pulled a classic SkinnyPupp. While you literally could not be more wrong, you still decided that you needed to fail my post and insist that I must have been confused. I anxiously await part two of the classic SP where you'll add that all of this was meant in jest and I shouldn't have taken it seriously.

All that said, I respect the hell out of you for all the pot stirring you've done here to keep this thread going and drive traffic to John's site and RS (I assume that this clusterfuck of a thread has caused a measurable increase in unique visitors?) You're doing a heck of a job, I mean, I said I was only going to post in this thread once.

:badpokerface:

[SkinnyPupp]

No, there was no confusion. Your post was obviously half about Manic! and half about meme405. You said that nobody had claimed there could be a suit and I posted where (regardless of the potentially humorous intent) TTZ said that he could and it would be an easy case to win. Now it's possible that the lighthearted hilarious world of defamation lawsuits simply eludes me but I tend to think it more likely that in the hundreds of posts in this thread you just missed that post and upon seeing my Bad Poker Face you pulled a classic SkinnyPupp. While you literally could not be more wrong, you still decided that you needed to fail my post and insist that I must have been confused. I anxiously await part two of the classic SP where you'll add that all of this was meant in jest and I shouldn't have taken it seriously.

All that said, I respect the hell out of you for all the pot stirring you've done here to keep this thread going and drive traffic to John's site and RS (I assume that this clusterfuck of a thread has caused a measurable increase in unique visitors?) You're doing a heck of a job, I mean, I said I was only going to post in this thread once.

:badpokerface:
My post was 100% about Manic. He was the only one I ever referred to when talking about potential litigation. The only people who brought up meme405 was TTZ when he made that (what I thought was an obvious) joke, and you confusing it for a factual statement. (do we need to get into why it's obvious that you can't sue someone for saying you weren't in a documentary, yet could sue for someone who did what manic did?)

The reason I failed you is because you posted a blatant mistake and tried to make it seem like you were right. And don't worry you got a "Thanks" from someone else who was wrong, so it should balance out :lawl:

The fact that you continue to think I "literally could not be more wrong" when the precise opposite is true is pretty funny.

[twitchyzero]

You understand what you're suggesting is that if someone is a sponsor, any other competitor in that same nature who is not a sponsor cannot be discussed, applauded or reviewed in any way?

The job of the website is to provide advertisement space. Not to eliminate conversation of the competition. It's not the yellow pages, it's an automotive forum that has a primary purpose of providing local knowledge and insights on the car scene. How can you do that if you're only restricted about talking about people who pay for sponsorship.

The YellowPages would have an obligation to ensure fair practice and opportunity for advertisement space. This is a discussion lead medium that can and should only guarantee the displaying of a sponsor's advertisement. What's next, can't post a deal that I find at Future Shop because SoundsGood Audio sells the same product? Can't recommend Meguilers Wax because Autowerks doesn't sell it?

Im pretty sure person A can start a thread 'hey how's this shop' and get others to chime in.

I'm also sure your post wont get edited/deleted if you posted a link to a sponsor's competitor product page when someone's looking for something specific.

Rflush mentioned as long as you dont advertise your business by creating a thread you should be good.

If you geuinely wanna help out the community and it involves creating a thread with affiliation to your business...show the siterunners some courtesy and send the mods a PM first asking for permission to post...you cant go wrong that way. If you're all about helping out the community I'm sure the admins/mods wont have any problem...given that sponsors dont directly throw a hissy fit and ask for your thread to be removed.

[!SG]

im going to chime in on this...

how many genuine times do ppl actually post of an experience they had at a shop? i honestly am asking, if those posts, or threads made up were not just an attempt to spam RS? I, have done enough investigative work, on each time this has happened, to find out its either someone at the shop, or a friend of the shop.

In the end of the day, what is the worse that can happen for the shop to try to spam RS?

Everyone can have their opinions, but being the guy that went to all these shops to sign them up, your speculations are just opinions.

and to add food for thought, i even had one of these shops say "yeah, we finally decided to sign up, got tired of trying to spam you guys"

the funny thing is there is another thread going on about adding value to sponsors on RS, which is kinda the opposite.



ive been reading this thread... interesting on everyones insite...
You understand what you're suggesting is that if someone is a sponsor, any other competitor in that same nature who is not a sponsor cannot be discussed, applauded or reviewed in any way?

The job of the website is to provide advertisement space. Not to eliminate conversation of the competition. It's not the yellow pages, it's an automotive forum that has a primary purpose of providing local knowledge and insights on the car scene. How can you do that if you're only restricted about talking about people who pay for sponsorship.

The YellowPages would have an obligation to ensure fair practice and opportunity for advertisement space. This is a discussion lead medium that can and should only guarantee the displaying of a sponsor's advertisement. What's next, can't post a deal that I find at Future Shop because SoundsGood Audio sells the same product? Can't recommend Meguilers Wax because Autowerks doesn't sell it?

[puff_daddy]

TTZ reached out to me, and I can respect. Should have never escalated to a personal standpoint, so I apologize for that.

TTZ has stated that if Linda Steele would like to do a segment he is up for it, so if that opportunity arises I will pass on her information.

I still do feel that if it takes this much effort to explain what you do for a living and how you make money that something is wrong, and I do not want anyone to think that this post constitutes me thinking I am wrong. I still do not believe anyone should give their money to John Chow, or anyone else for that matter, without doing research for themselves. Information is power. Also keep in mind that if it seems too good to be true it probably is.

I am no longer entering this thread, me and TTZ have both walked away.

bitch

[PPPdiddy]

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[StylinRed]

im going to chime in on this...

how many genuine times do ppl actually post of an experience they had at a shop? i honestly am asking, if those posts, or threads made up were not just an attempt to spam RS? I, have done enough investigative work, on each time this has happened, to find out its either someone at the shop, or a friend of the shop.

In the end of the day, what is the worse that can happen for the shop to try to spam RS?

Everyone can have their opinions, but being the guy that went to all these shops to sign them up, your speculations are just opinions.

and to add food for thought, i even had one of these shops say "yeah, we finally decided to sign up, got tired of trying to spam you guys"

the funny thing is there is another thread going on about adding value to sponsors on RS, which is kinda the opposite.



ive been reading this thread... interesting on everyones insite...

Can't speak for others but i've had some great experiences at certain shops/stores that i've considered making a post somewhere in RS and even a thread for 1 particular shop because they went above and beyond and saved me a tonne of money compared to other places i've had estimates given to me

But i've refrained from passing the info here on RS because its shunned which is no big deal to me but some of us do like passing on good info to others or make helpful suggestions (re: where can i buy this locally thread)

I can understand clamping down on this though because there May be more shops looking at posting as an opportunity to advertise than genuine members giving info but I could also see mods keeping a lock on this by only allowing older members to post such experiences

I dunno anyway no sweat off my back :D

[Gridlock]

One-I don't think Mr.Chow here is far enough removed from this program to talk about it from an average users perspective. Those fancy checks that he gets handed as a member come from a print shop. Pick the number you want on it.

Here is the secret TTz (John) does not want anyone to know.

He is the owner of MTTB. This was made public yetserday on a popular forum, and easy to find. And was also announced in BHW vip section forum a couple months ago. The scam goes like this. John met Matt in san diego, and started the deal 3 months after that. John makes Matt (the fake owner) his front man. This way John can tell people it’s a good program and they get fooled into thinking he is giving honest advise but, the scam is John is really just prmoting his own deal.

Nearly all the marketing gurus know this secret, and that is why ONLY NEW affiliates are CURRENTLY prmoting this deal. 100% true. When the scam came out, a few gurus (2) other than John promoted it, but today,, John is the only guru still prmoting it. Because it is his program. He will deny this. But, I sat with a group of people at Jonthan Budds seminar and this secret was widely known. Now its public!

If John were to admit he is the owner than everyone would think he is biased so after meeting Matt 2 years ago in San diego, he started this deal. Now John and Matt laugh because they know they have fooled a ton of begginner marketes.

So "Manic" now you don't need to fuss about if the cash is real. The real scam is that John did not win it.But him and Matt pretend at each seminar that John is the top affiliate cus they know new marketers will fall for Johns bs.

Someone should ask John to comeback on this forum and answer why J. Budd, Mack, and Daegan have all stopped prmoting this deal over 12 months ago? Ask John why not even --1 other guru is currently actively promoting this deal? The answer is because John is the only one making money since he secretly owns the deal. Matt is only the dork in place to play the fake front man.

John has managed to fool many people with this deal, until he got exposed yesterday publicly.

Called that pages ago.

As this is getting interesting again, and some are starting to feel litigious, I feel I need to add that the following represents my opinion, and opinion only.

One, do you have a link to that forum thread? I'd like to read through it.

Two...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....LOL...HA.

Do the math kiddies. Do the math.

If I'm selling a "business opportunity" of any kind, there are going to be winners and losers. That money needs to come from somewhere. Their business isn't selling affiliate links to amazon, or the much touted Google adsense.

If, IF the pile of cash was legit(or represented the actual bank account. PS, I don't know how I feel about fake cash. The big checks have a sense of puffery about them, being big and all. The fake cash is kind of the same thing, but not) it would be coming from its own cannibalizing of business members. There needs to be an ever growing group of people that want in on the business opportunity to provide that cash to the ones that are already there. There are NO outside customers.

Replace it with Subway.

I could be in the franchise business for Subway. I could buy a territory and sub-divide and sell off franchises. I never make a sandwich. I sell the business.

But the actual business owners, the ones that make the sandwiches have outside customers. People buy the food.

There is no one in this deal that eats the sandwiches. The only end customer I can see are the ones that buy into the business and give up, or fail or whatever.

That's where the stack of money comes from.

[parm104]

im going to chime in on this...

how many genuine times do ppl actually post of an experience they had at a shop? i honestly am asking, if those posts, or threads made up were not just an attempt to spam RS? I, have done enough investigative work, on each time this has happened, to find out its either someone at the shop, or a friend of the shop.

In the end of the day, what is the worse that can happen for the shop to try to spam RS?

Everyone can have their opinions, but being the guy that went to all these shops to sign them up, your speculations are just opinions.

and to add food for thought, i even had one of these shops say "yeah, we finally decided to sign up, got tired of trying to spam you guys"

the funny thing is there is another thread going on about adding value to sponsors on RS, which is kinda the opposite.

ive been reading this thread... interesting on everyones insite...

Unfortunately, I haven't done any research on the threads that have popped up as spams in the past year or so. The spam threads that I can recall are just the obvious *Click here to buy Gucci Handbags** threads. Never really paid attention to people making threads to give reviews so I can't appropriately comment on that.

I was referring to threads where someone would post "can you advise me on a good ****" and then after people start talking about the various shops the threads would get closed down because we had a sponsor that could take care of the issue at hand.


Im pretty sure person A can start a thread 'hey how's this shop' and get others to chime in.

I'm also sure your post wont get edited/deleted if you posted a link to a sponsor's competitor product page when someone's looking for something specific.

Rflush mentioned as long as you dont advertise your business by creating a thread you should be good.


Unfortunately, I have seen threads get closed because people were discussing a variety of different businesses that provided the same services as one of our sponsors. And that is the ONLY issue I raise here in this thread regarding sponsorship.

[!SG]

actually, its softened quite a bit in the last few years. the quick decision was in direct reaction to sponsors to "do something, and do something fast, why am i paying if my competitor can come on here and spam?"

now, members and everyone have come on board to help out sponsors by directing questions like those to actual sponsors.

for the amount of effort, to gain so little yield, not even for myself, but for this website, i even question myself in asking, why do i bother. you try to help the sponsors, you get backlashed from the members, you try to side with the members, you get backlash from the sponsors.

tell me how we should approach this? at that moment and at that time, a quick decision was to be made.

the time i tried to calmly advise SR auto (a paying sponsor at the time) in how to react and turn the negative thread into a positive thread, SR quit sponsorship on the spot.

at the end of the day, who pays the bills? and who are the members that just want to start shit because they are bored? haters gonna hate...

and those advice threads, 50% of which are genuine, other 50% are 2 accounts coming from the same ip. kinda like someone at a crash scene yelling out for a good bodyshop, only to have one of his buddies come out posing as a good Samaritan for a recommended good bodyshop...

Unfortunately, I haven't done any research on the threads that have popped up as spams in the past year or so. The spam threads that I can recall are just the obvious *Click here to buy Gucci Handbags** threads. Never really paid attention to people making threads to give reviews so I can't appropriately comment on that.

I was referring to threads where someone would post "can you advise me on a good ****" and then after people start talking about the various shops the threads would get closed down because we had a sponsor that could take care of the issue at hand.




Unfortunately, I have seen threads get closed because people were discussing a variety of different businesses that provided the same services as one of our sponsors. And that is the ONLY issue I raise here in this thread regarding sponsorship.

[parm104]

tell me how we should approach this? at that moment and at that time, a quick decision was to be made.

at the end of the day, who pays the bills? and who are the members that just want to start shit because they are bored? haters gonna hate...


I'm not in a position nor do I have the knowledge to provide advise on how to reform a problem of this sort. I can only give my observations as an active user of the trend that I've seen.

I'm also reluctant to give any sort of opinion or insight because it usually turns into a "you don't pay the bills so you can stfu" or a "well if you don't like it then gtfo" sort of responses. I've said my piece and will be out before this turns into a bash-session.

[!SG]

never is easy making the rules as we go along.

[parm104]

never is easy making the rules as we go along.

I don't think anyone thinks nor said that it's easy. Again, this wasn't a discussion about what's easy and what's hard, who pays the bills and who doesn't. It was an open discussion on the way we treat mentioning of a non-sponsored entity.

But if it's only applause you're looking for and not any sort or form of adverse opinion, well then good job on running the website, you're doing a speculator job. Thank you for all your hard work, it certainly has come a long way.

[multicartual]

Nerdy old asian guy is a rockstar in his own mind

[Gridlock]

I think there is also something to be said for "car shit" vs "anything else".

There is more value to advertising car stuff to a group of people mostly of the car mentality, then there is advertising other stuff to a demographic that's maybe not as defined on RS. Yeah, we all eat, but its not primarily a food forum.

As a member, we just like to be kept in the loop :) Someone saying, "no one is advertising dubious business opportunities and he's not openly soliciting members. Fair play" or "your recommend a wheel refinishing place thread is the 5th this month. I submit to you now, we have either covered the shit out of it, or the answer was never meant to be known. Either way, its spam and its closed."

People know the reason why, can either accept and move on, or bitch in the member support area but either way its off the main site.

[!SG]

its not applause i look for, but an explanation of our actions.

by having a strict and swift hand at dealing with spam, it allows for you to have that link in your signature for free.



I don't think anyone thinks nor said that it's easy. Again, this wasn't a discussion about what's easy and what's hard, who pays the bills and who doesn't. It was an open discussion on the way we treat mentioning of a non-sponsored entity.

But if it's only applause you're looking for and not any sort or form of adverse opinion, well then good job on running the website, you're doing a speculator job. Thank you for all your hard work, it certainly has come a long way.

[!SG]

as one of the guys that runs this site, there are things in which we dont need to keep the public in the loop. whats allowed and isnt allowed, whats seen as spam, what isnt. i garantee, once we make anything public and obvious, ppl will just find ways around it or to bend it.

this is how i kinda see RS. i am not your landlord, nor are you my tenant. there is no exchange for rent, however, there an understanding that the public thumb tack board shouldn't be used to solicit business without prior consent. the common area is free to use, but use of common sense is highly advised. the advertising you see on the walls pays for the fooseball table, and the pingpong table. it pays to keep the lights on and the the free internet we all use here.

I think there is also something to be said for "car shit" vs "anything else".

There is more value to advertising car stuff to a group of people mostly of the car mentality, then there is advertising other stuff to a demographic that's maybe not as defined on RS. Yeah, we all eat, but its not primarily a food forum.

As a member, we just like to be kept in the loop :) Someone saying, "no one is advertising dubious business opportunities and he's not openly soliciting members. Fair play" or "your recommend a wheel refinishing place thread is the 5th this month. I submit to you now, we have either covered the shit out of it, or the answer was never meant to be known. Either way, its spam and its closed."

People know the reason why, can either accept and move on, or bitch in the member support area but either way its off the main site.

[NKC ONE]

Here is the secret TTz (John) does not want anyone to know.

He is the owner of MTTB. This was made public yetserday on a popular forum, and easy to find. And was also announced in BHW vip section forum a couple months ago. The scam goes like this. John met Matt in san diego, and started the deal 3 months after that. John makes Matt (the fake owner) his front man. This way John can tell people it’s a good program and they get fooled into thinking he is giving honest advise but, the scam is John is really just prmoting his own deal.

Nearly all the marketing gurus know this secret, and that is why ONLY NEW affiliates are CURRENTLY prmoting this deal. 100% true. When the scam came out, a few gurus (2) other than John promoted it, but today,, John is the only guru still prmoting it. Because it is his program. He will deny this. But, I sat with a group of people at Jonthan Budds seminar and this secret was widely known. Now its public!

If John were to admit he is the owner than everyone would think he is biased so after meeting Matt 2 years ago in San diego, he started this deal. Now John and Matt laugh because they know they have fooled a ton of begginner marketes.

So "Manic" now you don't need to fuss about if the cash is real. The real scam is that John did not win it.But him and Matt pretend at each seminar that John is the top affiliate cus they know new marketers will fall for Johns bs.

Someone should ask John to comeback on this forum and answer why J. Budd, Mack, and Daegan have all stopped prmoting this deal over 12 months ago? Ask John why not even --1 other guru is currently actively promoting this deal? The answer is because John is the only one making money since he secretly owns the deal. Matt is only the dork in place to play the fake front man.

John has managed to fool many people with this deal, until he got exposed yesterday publicly.

So what's the official reply from the Chow camp? If, purely speculating, MTTB is in fact owned and created by John Chow, would it be a TOTAL SCAM?

Let's look back at the great things Mr Chow has said in this thread.


To answer your question. MTTB is not a MLM company. It's a 2-tier affiliate program. I make 5% on affiliates that I refer. It's much like the affiliate programs I have with many ad networks. When I refer new bloggers to a network, like InfoLinks, InfoLinks pays me 10% of whatever the blogger makes, for life. If the blogger runs InfoLinks ad on his blog and make $100/month, I make $10/month. Not much, but over the years, I have referred 1000's of bloggers to these networks. It adds up.

MTTB is not a pyramid scheme. Most people don't even know what the legal definition of a pyramid scheme is. They just think the guy at the top makes all the money while the guys at the bottom make nothing. If that's what they think, maybe they should look more closely at the setup of the company that they work at, especially if they're the factory workers at the bottom.

Yes, the company gave me a SL550 for free.

If you, or any else, wants to find out more about MTTB, feel free to PM me or go check out my blog (http://www.johnchow.com). Yes, it is making me over $100,000 a month.

"The Company"



For me, I would never buy the SL550 the company gave me because I think spending over $100K on a car is just a big waste of money.

Not when your company leases it for tax writeoffs using new licensees money.


Why I do all this should be obvious by now. Just like I make a commission when a readers signs up for a new blog from HostGator, I make a commission whenever a MTTB licensee makes a sale. Unlike HostGator, my MTTB commission is for life. As long as the licensee keeps making money, I keep making money, so my job is to help them make more money because the money I make is tied to their success. And that right there is the secret to success on the Internet. The most people you help succeed, the more successful you become.



The Benz is great. Any car you can get for free would be. When the lease on this SL550 expires, the company is getting me a SLS AMG GT. I'm not sure if I want the gullwing one or the convertible. I really should get the convertible because the OC has perfect weather for that, but I love the looks of the gullwing doors. Which one would you get?

Also, thanks for pointing out that you can get a free Mercedes with MTTB (http://www.johnchow.com/how-you-can-be-driving-a-mercedes-in-the-next-30-days/).

Like I said, so easy to manipulate. :)

"The company" needs a bigger writeoff this time using Licensees money while giving them a bigger hope that they could one day win an SLS AMG GT. Now that's what I call a Win Win Win.

You won't have to wait that long. I'm already six months into the SL lease. It's not a question of the company paying for it. It was a question on whether I could maintain the points to keep such a car.

The SL cost me nine points a month. Points are awarded based on sales volume. Any points beyond nine gets banked to use in the future. I have enough points banked up that I can do zero sales until end of the lease and the lease would still be paid for, and I would still have points remaining.

Getting a SLS would require increasing the points from nine to 18 - 20, but that's no problem because I have over 500 points banked up, and I'm generating 60 to 100 per month at my current sales volume.

I have a Gazillion points in NKC ONE Ltd too.


At $200K - $240K, I can think of quite a few other cars I would take over the SLS, but I'm not the one paying for it, so I really can't complain.

Please explain how my SL, that MTTB pays for, is not a free car for me because I'm pretty stupid.

Sounds more like your MTTB is making too much dough with no real expenses.



I've only been with MTTB for a year and a month, so I don't have two years income to show you. This is my stats for the past 30 days.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3786/10350125443_5afb6dc0de_o.png

From Sept 17 to Oct 17, I generated $178,804.47 in total revenue. There was $441 of refunds. My net commissions from the sales were $61,994.77. This was generated by sending 5,156 unique visitors to the various MTTB sales pages. Each visitor was worth $12.02.

At companies events, "cheques" are presented to licensees. These represent how much the licensee has earned in net commissions since joining. At the March event (I joined in Sept so six months) I got a cheque for $128,804.40.

http://www.johnchow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/photo1.jpg

Four months later, that cheque went to $206,047.95.

http://www.johnchow.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/P7200361-575x471.jpg

At the next event in December, the cheque is estimated to be over $500,000. So pretty good growth.

In addition to the commissions, I'm given a 2013 Mercedes-Benz SL550 for free. It's a two year lease and MTTB pays for it. While I don't pay for the car, this is a taxable benefit to me and it will have to be included in my tax return.

The company also hold monthly contests with mostly cash prizes. I won $25,000 cash (http://myonlinebusinessempire.com/affiliateshub/who-won-the-50k/) in the last one.

https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1381544_1421216748094648_1473020149_n.jpg

Since joining MTTB, I have won $73,000 in cash, $15,000 in gold coins, a $5,000 trip to Fiji (which I haven't took yet), and a Macbook Air.

Adding it all up, I estimate my MTTB net income in 2013 will be around $600,000 on $1.6 to $1.7 million gross revenue.


So your whole gig is to pretend that you are getting all these "payouts" from a company you own to lure in new licensees to fund these payouts? Everyone's definition of a scam may be different in an ethical sense but this one's pretty solid. Nicely done.

[!SG]

and... ive actually finally read through most of this thread, over the weekend, while i cooled down from work and slowly get over whatever it is that is going around at the moment that is making me sick to the stomach, weak and downright disgusting.

having helped run this board for 13 years, what i lacked in technical training, i have gained in straight out stupidity and trial n error.

1 phrase that was taught to me very early on was "traffic is king". even if with low odds, so long as there is high enough traffic. throw enough rocks into a pond, and eventually you will hit a damn fish.

like with many affiliate programs out there, its the determination of the person that participates that ultimately decides on the outcome. if you have 1/2 the brains to do it, and 1/2 the aptitude to sell it, you will only result in a possible 1/2 the odds of a positive outcome.

to each there own, john seems to have made some good $$$ doing what he does. even without looking into it, there are ppl that have succeeded from participating in his seminars and lectures, and there are ppl that have utterly failed at it.

my personal opinion, like education, what you do with it is still in your hands. having said that, i wish i went thru the bcit route over college and university.

[!SG]

must suck to have such a big cheque. how many folds must you do to have it fit in your wallet so you can go to the bank to deposit it on your lunch break.

[Gridlock]

But sg, thats not really what is being discussed here. There is the website. Great. Go nuts. If you have a site, and followers and they spend money to be like you...well, thats on them.

We are talking specificaaly MTTB. Its being promoted on YOUR board. Is he outright saying, "sign up here?". No. But when he says this thread made him money, think how. Rankings in google, a chance to spread the gospel or straight up sign ups...pick one.

Saying that he is kind of legit is pretty unfair when its stacking up that he is more than an affiliate to the company. Does he own it? Who really knows. But its fake as shit. That fake stack of cash, if it represents real money, comes from failed businesses, because there are no outside customers. None.

I dont want tnis thread closed. I want it to stay open, and add to the discussion on opportunity.

And ps, 2 year leases are cheap as shit. Just sayin.

[!SG]

see, here is how everything comes to light.

parm brought up how we shouldnt censor spam, though it was more directed to specific type of spam (correct me if im wrong)

if we react the same exact same way, that i normally do, that is, someone informs me of the thread, if no moderator has taken action yet, then i step in. this what we normally do.

then comes the backlash, members saying im being unfair, i shouldnt censor, so on and so forth.

this time, i am told of the thread, but i decide, lets let it ride. it isnt self promoting (til later on in the thread), now im being told i SHOULD have taken action.

you guys are hard to please. its almost as if dependant on topic, you would side it as spam, or not spam... so in essence, its ok for shops, not ok for 1 guy? (money aside)

in the end, this thread pretty much had its 15mins of fame, and has died, now its side tracking.

this thread went a little personal at some points (from what i have read) but what was surprising, it stayed some what civil. no real name calling, maybe some emotional outbursts, but at one point, difference in opinion reached a junction in which both parts apologized for "going a bit too far", thus then bringing it back.

and ps, depends where you lease, what you are leasing it for, and if its zoned already for what your purpose to use the lease. and if applied, local area allows for your lease of the area to be used for business to their liking, and or add value to the area.

like i said... this is an interesting thread. wont go down in history like christmas lobster hotpot, but still some noted points reached.


But sg, thats not really what is being discussed here. There is the website. Great. Go nuts. If you have a site, and followers and they spend money to be like you...well, thats on them.

We are talking specificaaly MTTB. Its being promoted on YOUR board. Is he outright saying, "sign up here?". No. But when he says this thread made him money, think how. Rankings in google, a chance to spread the gospel or straight up sign ups...pick one.

Saying that he is kind of legit is pretty unfair when its stacking up that he is more than an affiliate to the company. Does he own it? Who really knows. But its fake as shit. That fake stack of cash, if it represents real money, comes from failed businesses, because there are no outside customers. None.

I dont want tnis thread closed. I want it to stay open, and add to the discussion on opportunity.

And ps, 2 year leases are cheap as shit. Just sayin.

[GS8]

I was a silent reader to this thread.

I must say it was quite gross. There's a line to draw between defending your business and just being arrogant in your delivery. Some posts from Mr. John were unneeded and unnecessary. A lot of the photos were just sensational tripe.

Maybe I didn't read all the posts clearly enough to get the 'vibe' but I could only read so much.

But hey, simply playing objective 3rd party here.

[!SG]

i kept my mouth shut until this very 16th page...


I was a silent reader to this thread.

I must say it was quite gross. There's a line to draw between defending your business and just being arrogant in your delivery. Some posts from Mr. John were unneeded and unnecessary. A lot of the photos were just sensational tripe.

Maybe I didn't read all the posts clearly enough to get the 'vibe' but I could only read so much.

But hey, simply playing objective 3rd party here.

[NKC ONE]

in the end, this thread pretty much had its 15mins of fame, and has died, now its side tracking.

Sorry I don't agree. In light of new evidence, I believe the best is yet to come.

[Alby]

Here is the secret TTz (John) does not want anyone to know.

He is the owner of MTTB. This was made public yetserday on a popular forum, and easy to find. And was also announced in BHW vip section forum a couple months ago. The scam goes like this. John met Matt in san diego, and started the deal 3 months after that. John makes Matt (the fake owner) his front man. This way John can tell people it’s a good program and they get fooled into thinking he is giving honest advise but, the scam is John is really just prmoting his own deal.

Nearly all the marketing gurus know this secret, and that is why ONLY NEW affiliates are CURRENTLY prmoting this deal. 100% true. When the scam came out, a few gurus (2) other than John promoted it, but today,, John is the only guru still prmoting it. Because it is his program. He will deny this. But, I sat with a group of people at Jonthan Budds seminar and this secret was widely known. Now its public!

If John were to admit he is the owner than everyone would think he is biased so after meeting Matt 2 years ago in San diego, he started this deal. Now John and Matt laugh because they know they have fooled a ton of begginner marketes.

So "Manic" now you don't need to fuss about if the cash is real. The real scam is that John did not win it.But him and Matt pretend at each seminar that John is the top affiliate cus they know new marketers will fall for Johns bs.

Someone should ask John to comeback on this forum and answer why J. Budd, Mack, and Daegan have all stopped prmoting this deal over 12 months ago? Ask John why not even --1 other guru is currently actively promoting this deal? The answer is because John is the only one making money since he secretly owns the deal. Matt is only the dork in place to play the fake front man.

John has managed to fool many people with this deal, until he got exposed yesterday publicly.


i am actually awaiting a response from Chow to this if he gets back on this thread. this should be an interesting response.

[NKC ONE]

Here's something fresh from his site.

[Video] How I Made Over $125,000 Commissions In 1 Month (http://www.johnchow.com/video-how-i-made-over-125000-commissions-in-1-month/)

written by John Chow on October 20, 2013


A few days ago, I posted a screenshot of my eWallet account showing over $125,000 deposited into it in one month. This was the amount of commission I made with My Top Tier Business.

While everyone on the blog congratulated me for the accomplishment, a few people on my Facebook fan page questioned the validity of the screenshot. A few even claimed the screenshot was a Photoshop job. To silence the critics, I decided to create a screencast video showing what’s inside my eWallet account. You can watch that video below.

The great thing about MTTB is they pay on a Net 15 day term. That means my next payment is only ten days away! Not having to wait 45 to 60 days for a payout is awesome!

Want to get in on the fun? Then go check out My Top Tier Business. You may not make $125K in a month, but I think it’s very reasonable to make $1,000 a month from it. In fact, it guaranteed. This program works so well that Matt Lloyd (MTTB Founder) will personally guarantee that you will make at least $1,000 in commissions within 30 days or he will pay you $500 cash! How do you say no to an offer like that?

Sure doesn't sound like you want to be conveyed as the owner of MTTB.

[TTZ]

And here I thought this thread was over and done with. I guess I spoke too soon.

I'm pretty sure this PPPdiddy guy is also this Terry Me guy on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPK-dHnCxtg0I3ey0dlhqqA/feed). He's going around spamming every YouTube video he can find about MTTB saying Matt is fake and I'm really the owner. Why? I don't know.

I think he's more intending to hurt Matt than me by trying to take away what Matt has accomplished and saying he's basically a puppet.

For the record. I am not the owner. I wish I was because the company is worth millions. I joined as a licensee in September 2012. If you look at the MTTB company blog, (http://myonlinebusinessempire.com/affiliateshub/) you'll see it has posts going back to Feb. 2011, and I didn't show up in the blog until the Oct 3 2012 post (http://myonlinebusinessempire.com/affiliateshub/10k-winner/). Now do I have influence in the company? I like to think so. After all, I am the highest earning licensee.

PPPdiddy or Terry Me, claims I met Matt at a Mastermind in San Diego and then started the company 3 months later. He is correct in that I first met Matt at a Mastermind in San Diego. It was at a ThinkTank in Del Mar (http://www.johnchow.com/thinktank-2012-we-are-the-1-and-we-occupy-del-mar/). The thing is, this was in September 2012. Adding three months would mean the company started in December 2012. Yet, the company blog goes all the way back to Feb. 2011.

He claims that no "guru" is promoting MTTB other than me (for the record, I don't consider myself a guru). Yet, in the last MTTB contest (http://myonlinebusinessempire.com/affiliateshub/who-won-the-50k/), both Mack Zidan and Daegan Smith (which he cited as no longer promoting) are on the leaderboard. Both are gurus in this industry.

MTTB is owned by My Online Business Empire. The company was started by Matt Lloyd in Perth, Australia (where Matt lives). I'm sure someone who's bored can dig up the business license/registry/etc. to confirm all this. I have no interest in doing it. Anyone in Australia trying to purchase MTTB will find HST/GST added to the price. Any other country is sale tax free.

If you want to believe a hater with nothing better to do than comment spam YouTube videos and forums with lies, that's on you.

I thought this thread was over, but if you guys want to keep it going and make me more money, then have at it!

[SkinnyPupp]

So much for that :lawl:

Also let this be a reminder that opening dupe accounts behind a proxy will at the very least get that user banned. In most cases, both accounts will be banned.

[Gridlock]

see, here is how everything comes to light.

parm brought up how we shouldnt censor spam, though it was more directed to specific type of spam (correct me if im wrong)

if we react the same exact same way, that i normally do, that is, someone informs me of the thread, if no moderator has taken action yet, then i step in. this what we normally do.

then comes the backlash, members saying im being unfair, i shouldnt censor, so on and so forth.

this time, i am told of the thread, but i decide, lets let it ride. it isnt self promoting (til later on in the thread), now im being told i SHOULD have taken action.

you guys are hard to please. its almost as if dependant on topic, you would side it as spam, or not spam... so in essence, its ok for shops, not ok for 1 guy? (money aside)

in the end, this thread pretty much had its 15mins of fame, and has died, now its side tracking.

this thread went a little personal at some points (from what i have read) but what was surprising, it stayed some what civil. no real name calling, maybe some emotional outbursts, but at one point, difference in opinion reached a junction in which both parts apologized for "going a bit too far", thus then bringing it back.

and ps, depends where you lease, what you are leasing it for, and if its zoned already for what your purpose to use the lease. and if applied, local area allows for your lease of the area to be used for business to their liking, and or add value to the area.

like i said... this is an interesting thread. wont go down in history like christmas lobster hotpot, but still some noted points reached.

I don't know. I think we're kind of disconnected on two different aspects of the same subject.

On Spam

I'd actually say no, myself. Does my vote count? Absolutely not :) But why are people coming up with that spam feeling? Well, if if you are picking spiced ham out of your teeth, and you have that sinking regret that your sandwich came from a can, then chances are, you've had spam.

It's a little on the edge. There is also that nice feeling we're getting that he's being supported by a couple of mods, and another mod that asked questions got shut down pretty fast.

So it teeters between spam and legit convo, but lands on the side of legit convo.

Would shutting it down constitute censorship?

YES. That's my fear.

Now. That aside...Business itself

In my post, I combined them both and I shouldn't have, but I think both you and I were talking about the spam of the business and the business together. There are so many red flags shooting off about this stuff, its unreal.

The Wizard of Oz was written in the early 1900's, and people today still are afraid to peek behind the curtain.

"It's worth millions"

Then it cannot be worth millions to anyone else. It CANNOT.

It's a business selling businesses. Call it MLM, call it 2-tier, call it whatever you want..its something that sells to a person once...how many people in total will buy it? Especially when you now compete against every single active previous customer of the business? Then all these people are out there promoting it to get their 2k back and a little extra that you become one more voice. There are N O outside casual customers. No repeat business.

Picture a subway that sells no sandwiches. People line up at lunch to buy to buy their own subway restaurant franchise.

"You too can make money selling subway restaurants"

No one builds the subway restaurant and no one makes a sandwich.

Is that a business you'd buy into?

Is there going to be a guy that buys one after everyone else buys one that is interested, and he gets no line up in his store? YES.

He's called "the greater fool".

[multicartual]

Gridlock nailed it


This is exactly why I say John Chow is even scummier than porn dealers because at least porn dealers are selling a product that a customer buys. John Chow sells bullshit to idiots who are guillible enough to be taken for a ride.

[TTZ]

Gridlock - I don't really quite get what you mean by it cannot be worth millions to anyone else. MTTB is a business, and like any business, it has a value to someone. Maybe not to you since you're not in this type of business, but the company is worth a lot of money. Anything that generates over a million a month in sales is worth a lot of money.

I'm not going to spend too much time with my response because I think we both got our message out and we're just going around in circles now repeating a lot of stuff. I just have three points.

1 - MTTB does have products. Over 3 dozen of them that licensees can sell. Of the $178,804.47 sales I did in the past month, 24 of them were licenses. At $1997 each, that comes to $47,928 in license sales. The rest came from other MTTB products. I've already posted some of those products in this thread. So yes, licensees are selling sandwiches in this Subway, and not just the Subway.

2 - Until you have actually gone through the system, everything you're claiming is just that. A claim. You haven't gone though it, so you don't know how it really works. You can say "it's like this or that" but you haven't experienced it so you really don't know.

I invite you, and anyone else, to separate fact from fiction by applying for MTTB. It's only $49, and it's refundable if you decide it's not for you. Do we have licensees who failed to make any money? Yes. Do we have licensees making tens of thousands a month? Yes. The difference is this is not a game of chance. You do the WORK, you will see the results.

3 - I like to make you the same offer I made to meme405 and Manic. Let's go for drinks the next time I'm in Vancouver. You asked some good questions, and I hope I've provided some good answers. I know in real life, you're probably a great guy, and I'm really not that bad to hang out with. If you don't want to go for drinks with me because you don't want to owe me, don't worry. The drink money is coming from the money you made me with this thread. :)

Thank you.

[RFlush]

Regardless if this is considered spam or not, whatever happened to the no referral policy in links? If TTZ wants to show us what MTTB sells or anything, shouldn't it come from a non referral link?

Users have been banned in the past for posting links that give some sort of kickback to the user.

Why not just do direct links as oppose to having a link that benefits yourself? That is where the spam comes from.

[TTZ]

I haven't been here for a long time. I am not up to date with the current policies. But I respect them, so I have removed the application link. Anyone wishing to find out more can visit the blog link in my sig.

Thank you.

[Ferra]

Here's something fresh from his site.

[Video] How I Made Over $125,000 Commissions In 1 Month (http://www.johnchow.com/video-how-i-made-over-125000-commissions-in-1-month/)

[INDENT]written by John Chow on October 20, 2013

A few days ago, I posted a screenshot of my eWallet account showing over $125,000 deposited into it in one month. This was the amount of commission I made with My Top Tier Business.

While everyone on the blog congratulated me for the accomplishment, a few people on my Facebook fan page questioned the validity of the screenshot. A few even claimed the screenshot was a Photoshop job. To silence the critics, I decided to create a screencast video showing what’s inside my eWallet account. You can watch that video below.
best way to shut up your skeptic is to post your CRA notice of assessment, or your business T2 return

When you apply for a loan or mortgage from a bank, they are not going to take your MTTB account summary or ewallet web printout as a proof of income either.
I don't think that's too much to ask for if you are expecting people to fork out $2,000 for a license which you claim made you millions of dollars.
all you need is probably to cross out your SIN# and perhaps the last few digits of your income for security purpose


Seen too many people/businesses who claim they make millions of dollars a year until you ask them for their tax slips, and it shows they make a fraction of what they claim

[radioman]

I wonder if I've ever been sold one of these illusive MTTB products and I just didn't know it.

:ahwow:

[SoNaRWaVe]

Wow, this thread is all over the place. It went from attacking John Chow to spam related polices and actions that RS mods should have taken, to ethics and legality of things and now asking for personal NoA or T2 return.

Who in the right freaking mind would post anything sensitive like that? Crossing SIN# and what not details out, still makes it a personal and private matter. It is no one elses business. I mean come on, would anyone ever post something like that on a public forum, let alone on the internet. I am going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that we all have common sense and this just simply doesn't happen.

I don't see why everyone is so hell bent in trying to claim what John Chow makes is fake. Does it really affect anyone on RS, or anyone else in the world at all? Hell no. It personally would make no difference if the guy above me or below me makes a million bucks a month. I suspect that everyone is just mad jelly and mad hating at the fact that John Chow is in fact making that kind of dough he claims. Do I personally believe he does or not? I actually don't care. It doesn't affect me one bit in any shape or form.

[Ferra]

Wow, this thread is all over the place. It went from attacking John Chow to spam related polices and actions that RS mods should have taken, to ethics and legality of things and now asking for personal NoA or T2 return.

Who in the right freaking mind would post anything sensitive like that? Crossing SIN# and what not details out, still makes it a personal and private matter. It is no one elses business. I mean come on, would anyone ever post something like that on a public forum, let alone on the internet. I am going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that we all have common sense and this just simply doesn't happen.
well...he is the one so hell bent on proving his lucrative income to everyone...e.g. posting his private account screenshot and making a webcast about it..
If i tell ppl i make 100k/yr and they don't believe me...i am just going to say tough shit..i dont' care and I certainly won't post a bunch of photos of my account, or me holding some massive cheque and cash to prove anything

I don't see why everyone is so hell bent in trying to claim what John Chow makes is fake. Does it really affect anyone on RS, or anyone else in the world at all? Hell no. It personally would make no difference if the guy above me or below me makes a million bucks a month. I suspect that everyone is just mad jelly and mad hating at the fact that John Chow is in fact making that kind of dough he claims. Do I personally believe he does or not? I actually don't care. It doesn't affect me one bit in any shape or form.
I guess this whole thing is like someone with a rice out civic coming to a meet and claim his car runs 10sec 1/4 mile with $2000 in mod...
are you surprise why so many people want to call him out on it?

[trancehead]

well...he is the one so hell bent on proving his lucrative income to everyone...e.g. posting his private account screenshot and making a webcast about it..
If i tell ppl i make 100k/yr and they don't believe me...i am just going to say tough shit..i dont' care and I certainly won't post a bunch of photos of my account, or me holding some massive cheque and cash to prove anything


I guess this whole thing is like someone with a rice out civic coming to a meet and claim his car runs 10sec 1/4 mile with $2000 in mod...
are you surprise why so many people want to call him out on it?

reminds me of kid gets called out and embarrassed at car show - YouTube

[parm104]

well...he is the one so hell bent on proving his lucrative income to everyone...e.g. posting his private account screenshot and making a webcast about it..


LOL no...he's been hell bent on defending himself and his name. Not proving that he has as a lucrative income. It just happens that one of the things people are flaming him for is his income or lack there of.

[Verdasco]

john chow looks like a nice guy, chill for sure. Why not just let him be ?? close this thread up and live on with our lives imo.

edit: is TZ jonh chow?

[drivingfast]

I found this today about My Top Tier Business

My Top Tier Business Exposed (Review of MTTB or also known as MOBE) ? The other side of the coin (http://www.affhelper.com/my-top-tier-business-exposed/)

It pretty much explains everything about it and how those online opportunities work.

i would stay away from it...just sayin

[v_tec]

^ strong first post bro

[meme405]

:facepalm:

How did I know even after I watched this thread die, it would come back sooner rather than later.

Believe me, exactly what was eloquently explained by that blog was posted in this thread for the last 18 pages. MTTB has nothing to do with selling services, it has to do with selling MTTB to more people who can sell the product... SURPRISE THATS ALL IT IS. Yet because it wasn't posted in a blog, or because it was posted by RS, people chose to act stupid and continue to proclaim that MTTB is an "actual business" and that they have other products they sell. What nobody seemed to question was why the fuck would anyone need thousands of people making identical websites to sell the same products? Because as John points out, he and others high up in MTTB developed all the products and you don't have to make any content whatsoever...

Sorry but that makes absolutely no sense, I don't see 10000 websites trying to sell me on the ShamWOW.

I developed a hatred posting for John Chow in this thread, but eventually realized he is not even the problem, sure he is a little arrogant and annoying, but the truth is the problem is the stupid people in this world...If you really believe that you can "get rich quick" you are wasting your time, and chances are if you continue to chase these schemes you will never make anything of yourself. Yet there are plenty of people on here willing to defend him saying "if he didn't do it someone else would", sorry but if the world worked entirely by that logic it would be a pretty shitty place. Morals have to come in somewhere a long the lines, and unfortunately most of the people offering these systems have absolutely none, they know that 9.9/10 people will never get even half of their money back from these "Businesses", but they don't give a rats ass. Who knows maybe in 20 years they will make a movie about John Chow titled "Praying on the desperate and penniless - The John Chow Biography ".

[multicartual]

MTTB has nothing to do with selling services, it has to do with selling MTTB to more people who can sell the product... SURPRISE THATS ALL IT IS.


Even though I consider my "day job" of selling porn on par with selling toilet paper to people with diahhrea, helping them deal with a basic human bodily function, I never feel like I'm ripping anyone off. If you pay for a membership to an adult site, you get access to a massive library of porn to get off with. You actually get what I advertise.


MTTB disgusts me. John Chow uses all sorts of deception to cover up the fact that his "dot com" lifestyle is a scam. The product you're "selling" is simply a doorway into a pyramid-like scheme.


If you want to make money online, sell people weight loss products, hair cremes, porn, e-cigs, or any number of other products that really move.


John Chow is a fucking scumbag.

[Hondaracer]

The moral of this thread?

If you want to promote your business for free on revscene and bypass actually paying just make a troll thread bringing up said business and let the discussion begin.
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[Xu.Vi]

inb4 another 18page discussion.

[melloman]

^^
http://i.imgur.com/9PH2i.gif

[Ronin]

LOL who dug this up?

MTTB disgusts me. John Chow uses all sorts of deception to cover up the fact that his "dot com" lifestyle is a scam. The product you're "selling" is simply a doorway into a pyramid-like scheme

I don't know if that's accurate. John is quite up front with the fact that he makes money telling people how he makes money. That might be too meta for a lot of people to understand but basically he outlines the exact steps that he took to make money. He makes no guarantees that you can do the same because you obviously don't have the resources and connections he does but again, he did tell you exactly what he did. Whether or not you can pull it off...you probably won't but he's proof that you can.

And this works especially in America where everyone has little chance of making it rich but everyone wants to live the American dream. Is it predatory to market to these people? Why? You're giving them exactly what they're asking for. John wouldn't be successful if there wasn't demand for exactly the "product" he's selling.

[freakshow]

When people are looking for a miracle, and you're selling snake oil, that doesn't exactly count as a 'demand for product'.

I'm not saying this is what John is doing, but sometimes the line is blurry.

[Tone Loc]

Let's be real here. If I somehow miraculously found a way to game the system and find a shortcut to crazy amounts of wealth...

... why the F*CK would I go around to everyone and spout it out to everybody, including completely random strangers, within earshot?! Hell no, I'd keep that shit to myself, my GF, and my immediate family so the "loophole" doesn't get shut. I'd go with that secret to my grave. Maybe I am just a greedy mofo but I am pretty sure this is how most rational people would operate. And if anyone asks me why I have 2 Aventadors sitting in the driveway I'd tell them I sell drugs.

That should be the first indicator to anyone that this - and similar MLM pyramid schemes - are a complete fraud. If someone is telling you about it, they either really like you or want something from you. And in my own experience it's almost always #2 unless they are blood.

[westopher]

Y u do dis mello