[Acura604]

"My Top Tier Business"

Did Chow decide to get into some sort of pyramid scam/multi level marketing b.s.?

*for the uninformed, John Chow was the local hotshot blogger who rose to fame blogging for a living boasting weekly revenues in the 1000s from it*


Thoughts on this:


http://mytoptierbusiness.com/letter/


My Top Tier Business ? How To Make $1,000, $3,000, $5,000 Commission Online (http://www.johnchow.com/my-top-tier-business/)


..in a nutshell..

give the guy $49 for some training and coaching and he guarantees you get $1000 within a month for promoting his shit. Most likely it'll take some work... AND...if you don't earn that $1000, he will pay you $500. but apparently there are some 'catches' as mentioned in this MTTB review thread:

my top tier business, matt lloyd (http://www.warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/796607-my-top-tier-business-matt-lloyd.html)


kinda looks like a cult or some sort of pyramid crap. but he's driving around in a SL550 (at no cost to him) down in Cali somewhere. Is this all a big show?

[lowside67]

give the guy $49 for some training and coaching and he guarantees you get $1000 within a month for promoting his shit. Most likely it'll take some work... AND...if you don't earn that $1000, he will pay you $500. but apparently there are some 'catches' as mentioned in this MTTB review thread:
That, literally, is the definition of a multi-level marketing scenario. And usually the guy at the head of a MLM company IS driving an SL in Cali, it doesn't mean you're not going to get fucked as the last person on the chain.

[shawnly1000]

"My Top Tier Business"

Did Chow decide to get into some sort of pyramid scam/multi level marketing b.s.?

Thoughts on this:


http://mytoptierbusiness.com/letter/


My Top Tier Business ? How To Make $1,000, $3,000, $5,000 Commission Online (http://www.johnchow.com/my-top-tier-business/)


..in a nutshell..

give the guy $49 for some training and coaching and he guarantees you get $1000 within a month for promoting his shit. Most likely it'll take some work... AND...if you don't earn that $1000, he will pay you $500. but apparently there are some 'catches' as mentioned in this MTTB review thread:

my top tier business, matt lloyd (http://www.warriorforum.com/internet-marketing-product-reviews-ratings/796607-my-top-tier-business-matt-lloyd.html)


kinda looks like a cult or some sort of pyramid crap. but he's driving around in a SL550 (at no cost to him) down in Cali somewhere.

:seriously: :suspicious:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/110009/2158901-851ac22e_d61912a9_cant_tell_if_serious.jpeg

inb4 WFG, etc

[Geoc]

kinda looks like a cult or some sort of pyramid crap. but he's driving around in a SL550 (at no cost to him) down in Cali somewhere.

Since the CEO of Ford has a private jet, by that logic I can assume that I will get a private jet too if I work for them, even as a factory worker?

[Acura604]

Since the CEO of Ford has a private jet, by that logic I can assume that I will get a private jet too if I work for them, even as a factory worker?

the benz is advertised as a 'reward' for members when they reach a certain status with the company. I think they call it platinum status.

[sonick]

At least with MLM most of the time they are selling a product or service. This is almost a straight up pyramid scheme, there is no product or service they provide.

Reminds me of:

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/sunny-invigaron-1.gif

[ajei]

VERY SCAMMY. the websites, and especially the testimonials. the owner's other business IM products also. I don't think johnchow has your best interests in mind either; and not only because he offers payed endorsement for anybody's product.

[dachinesedude]

WFG, Vector, Usana, this, where the top 1% make 95% of the money

same shit different pile

[SkinnyPupp]

If you think this is a pyramid scheme, you don't know what that means.

You pay $50 for training and recommendations from a guy who makes $10K a month or whatever it is, and drives a free SL (perhaps soon to be SLS).

That training isn't a bunch of upsells, it's advice... note that some of it does require licensing, sometimes expensive.

They key is that you need to build a list of some sort to pitch to. If you have a list, you can make money from it.. he just tells you how to do that effectively. You can try on your own too.

[trancehead]

good ole network marketing

[matrixfwd]

Do you guys remember Tom Vu, the dude on TV from the 90's?

When I saw the John Chow guy, there seemed to be some resemblance:


Tom Vu Commercial - YouTube

[TTZ]

Cool! I didn't think I was still talked about on RS.

Acura604 - Long time man! How you doing? Still blacking out headlights? :)

To answer your question. MTTB is not a MLM company. It's a 2-tier affiliate program. I make 5% on affiliates that I refer. It's much like the affiliate programs I have with many ad networks. When I refer new bloggers to a network, like InfoLinks, InfoLinks pays me 10% of whatever the blogger makes, for life. If the blogger runs InfoLinks ad on his blog and make $100/month, I make $10/month. Not much, but over the years, I have referred 1000's of bloggers to these networks. It adds up.

MTTB is not a pyramid scheme. Most people don't even know what the legal definition of a pyramid scheme is. They just think the guy at the top makes all the money while the guys at the bottom make nothing. If that's what they think, maybe they should look more closely at the setup of the company that they work at, especially if they're the factory workers at the bottom.

MTTB does have products. Over 3 dozen of them. They range in price from free to $15,000 or more. Affiliate/Licensees make commissions when they sell these products.

Yes, the company gave me a SL550 for free. Any Licensee who hit the min sales level can get a Benz. Right now, over 3 dozen Licensees qualify for a new Mercedes. I'm not sure if you're interested in that since you still seem to be a die hard Acura guy.

If you, or any else, wants to find out more about MTTB, feel free to PM me or go check out my blog (http://www.johnchow.com). Yes, it is making me over $100,000 a month. No, you won't make that in your first month, or your second or third for that matter. But it's really not that hard to pull down a grand a month from it.

dachinesedude - The top 1% makes 95% of the money. That is true for everything, not just what I do.

[rsx]

I signed up a while back, simply because I'm a doer.Not a dont'er like you.

[Manic!]

RS needs to start a pyramid scheme. Start by selling VIP memberships for $10. But for $30 you can become a partner. By becoming a partner you get a 1 year membership and you become a membership dealer. For every membership you sell you get a $1. But you can also sell partnerships. For ever partnership you sell you make $5. Now for ever membership your partnership sells get get 25 cents. For ever partnership they sell you get $2. For every partnership your partnership sells you make a $1 for up to 5 partnerships down. You also make 15 cents for every membership your partnerships partnership sell up to 5 partnerships down. Once you have 5 partnerships that are 5 partnerships down you become a partnership caption. Once you get 5 captionships you become a commander. once you get 5 captionships you become a rear admiral.

[shawnly1000]

RS needs to start a pyramid scheme. Start by selling VIP memberships for $10. But for $30 you can become a partner. By becoming a partner you get a 1 year membership and you become a membership dealer. For every membership you sell you get a $1. But you can also sell partnerships. For ever partnership you sell you make $5. Now for ever membership your partnership sells get get 25 cents. For ever partnership they sell you get $2. For every partnership your partnership sells you make a $1 for up to 5 partnerships down. You also make 15 cents for every membership your partnerships partnership sell up to 5 partnerships down. Once you have 5 partnerships that are 5 partnerships down you become a partnership caption. Once you get 5 captionships you become a commander. once you get 5 captionships you become a rear admiral.

:fullofwin:

[El Bastardo]

Its totally not a scam guys


I'm glad you've got something thats working for you but please don't spam Revscene with your links or try to recruit any of the members to be part of your downlline or whatever.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm glad you've got something thats working for you but please don't spam Revscene with your links or try to recruit any of the members to be part of your downlline or whatever.
He's not spamming, wtf? Someone made a thread about him, publicly suggesting that he may be a scammer, and he came and responded to it.

[falcon]

WFG, Vector, Usana, this, where the top 1% make 95% of the money

same shit different pile

My parents have been part of USANA for a long time, and while they aren't "raking" it in, they get a check every month for a few hundred bucks for doing absolutely nothing. And I've met a guy my age who started doing it 7 years ago when he was 18 and now is rolling in it. He dedicated a lot of time though. USANA acually sells a product, and a very damn well good one.

[Manic!]

Cool! I didn't think I was still talked about on RS.

Acura604 - Long time man! How you doing? Still blacking out headlights? :)

To answer your question. MTTB is not a MLM company. It's a 2-tier affiliate program. I make 5% on affiliates that I refer. It's much like the affiliate programs I have with many ad networks. When I refer new bloggers to a network, like InfoLinks, InfoLinks pays me 10% of whatever the blogger makes, for life. If the blogger runs InfoLinks ad on his blog and make $100/month, I make $10/month. Not much, but over the years, I have referred 1000's of bloggers to these networks. It adds up.

MTTB is not a pyramid scheme. Most people don't even know what the legal definition of a pyramid scheme is. They just think the guy at the top makes all the money while the guys at the bottom make nothing. If that's what they think, maybe they should look more closely at the setup of the company that they work at, especially if they're the factory workers at the bottom.

MTTB does have products. Over 3 dozen of them. They range in price from free to $15,000 or more. Affiliate/Licensees make commissions when they sell these products.

Yes, the company gave me a SL550 for free. Any Licensee who hit the min sales level can get a Benz. Right now, over 3 dozen Licensees qualify for a new Mercedes. I'm not sure if you're interested in that since you still seem to be a die hard Acura guy.

If you, or any else, wants to find out more about MTTB, feel free to PM me or go check out my blog (http://www.johnchow.com). Yes, it is making me over $100,000 a month. No, you won't make that in your first month, or your second or third for that matter. But it's really not that hard to pull down a grand a month from it.

dachinesedude - The top 1% makes 95% of the money. That is true for everything, not just what I do.


So what are the type of products MTTB sells.

[TTZ]

So what are the type of products MTTB sells.

Information products, personal coaching, newsletters, web design, sales funnel creation, live events, Masterminds in topical locations (the last one was in Cabo San Lucas).

[Manic!]

Information products, personal coaching, newsletters, web design, sales funnel creation, live events, Masterminds in topical locations (the last one was in Cabo San Lucas).

So nothing that's a physical product that has a manufacturing cost.

[TTZ]

So nothing that's a physical product that has a manufacturing cost.

If you're looking for "hard cost" the closest would be the live events. The props, stages, speakers, ballroom, hotels, etc. all cost a mint. The same for the Mastermind. They have to estimate how many tickets they think will sell and then book the rooms based on that. $250K deposit upfront for the last mastermind, and hope you can sell all the tickets because if you don't, the cost doesn't go down. If you don't fill all the rooms, you still pay for it.

I personally prefer the information products. All my own products are information products. Cost of good sold is near zero and that means I can afford to pay a big commission to my affiliates and still make good money. My last info product launch generated $200K in the first month. Total cost to set it all up was about $20K. You won't find any "normal" businesses that can break even, much less make a profit, in its first year. I can do it in one day. :)

[meme405]

Inb4 people get scammed out of their money...

[blee123]

so what is this "Nu dream" BS people are posting on fb about their monthly commisions and all ?

Apparently, alot of people joined "Nu Skin"

[Manic!]

If you're looking for "hard cost" the closest would be the live events. The props, stages, speakers, ballroom, hotels, etc. all cost a mint. The same for the Mastermind. They have to estimate how many tickets they think will sell and then book the rooms based on that. $250K deposit upfront for the last mastermind, and hope you can sell all the tickets because if you don't, the cost doesn't go down. If you don't fill all the rooms, you still pay for it.

I personally prefer the information products. All my own products are information products. Cost of good sold is near zero and that means I can afford to pay a big commission to my affiliates and still make good money. My last info product launch generated $200K in the first month. Total cost to set it all up was about $20K. You won't find any "normal" businesses that can break even, much less make a profit, in its first year. I can do it in one day. :)

Why not just do it on line instead of going to Mexico?

[SkinnyPupp]

Why not just do it on line instead of going to Mexico?
Why do any meeting or gathering in person instead of doing it online?

[Manic!]

Why do any meeting or gathering in person instead of doing it online?

Easy Online Meetings With HD Video Conferencing | GoToMeeting | GoToWebinar | GoToTraining (http://www.gotomeeting.com/online/)

For most meetings you don't have to travel to a foreign country or pay a 250K deposit.

[SkinnyPupp]

Easy Online Meetings With HD Video Conferencing | GoToMeeting | GoToWebinar | GoToTraining (http://www.gotomeeting.com/online/)

For most meetings you don't have to travel to a foreign country or pay a 250K deposit.
That's kind of not the point but ok :)

Most of these places do that as well btw

[TTZ]

Why not just do it on line instead of going to Mexico?

Not the same. Would you rather go to SEMA online or see it live in Las Vegas?

[Hondaracer]

You know shits legit when ya gotta go out of our way to explain just how legit it really is
Posted via RS Mobile

[TTZ]

You know shits legit when ya gotta go out of our way to explain just how legit it really is
Posted via RS Mobile

Ya, I really went out of my way. Someone asked a question and I answered it. Isn't that what a forum is for? It's also call customer service. Look it up sometime.

[Manic!]

Not the same. Would you rather go to SEMA online or see it live in Las Vegas?

At SEMA you are going to see physical products. Things you need to physically see and touch.

[El Bastardo]

He's not spamming, wtf? Someone made a thread about him, publicly suggesting that he may be a scammer, and he came and responded to it.

I know. I'm just asking him not to do it. I can tell from the tone of your participation in this thread that this sort of industry is close to you so I'll step off. I'm looking out for the best interest of Revscene here. If he contacts Blitzgear and chooses to advertise, I'm all for him engaging potential downlines.

[TTZ]

At SEMA you are going to see physical products. Things you need to physically see and touch.

At a mastermind or live event, you can physically see and touch the speakers, and other attendees, which is better than reading about them or watching them on a webinar. Surely you must have attended a live event? I'm sure watching a Canucks game is better live at Rogers Arena than at home on your TV. See, I wouldn't know because I don't watch the Canucks. :)

[lowside67]

I am pretty sure that you are discouraged from touching the speakers... ;)

[hillmar]

Why not just do it on line instead of going to Mexico?

Because in mexico, the tequila is cheap and can cloud your judgement.:fullofwin:

[TTZ]

I am pretty sure that you are discouraged from touching the speakers... ;)

Not at our events. You can touch, shake hand, hug, take pictures, whatever. :)

[Manic!]

Not at our events. You can touch, shake hand, hug, take pictures, whatever. :)

And what does that do? You can shake my hand for free anytime.

[TTZ]

And what does that do? You can shake my hand for free anytime.

That's because you place no value on yourself and have no following. People pay $15,000 to hear me speak and shake my hand.

Speaking Live From The Stage of Platinum Mastermind - YouTube

I'm starting to think you have never attended a live event before since you can't seem to comprehend the value of live vs. virtual. Did you attend any events when Vancouver was hosting the Olympics or did you watched it on TV because you think it's the same thing?

[radioman]

^What was the point of that video.

Seems like they would agree with anything you said as they're already a part of your "following" as you mentioned to manic whom apparently has none.

*shrug*

[TTZ]

^What was the point of that video.

Seems like they would agree with anything you said as they're already a part of your "following" as you mentioned to manic whom apparently has none.

*shrug*

The point was to show him that a live event is diff from a virtual one. People can watch me on a webinar (for free) or they can pay big money and see me live. The point is the experience is completely different. This is something that Manic can't seem to get, or wrap his head around. I bet Manic watched that video and went "WTF? Why would anyone pay $15K to hear him?" But if he was actually there, he would get a completely different experience and will understand why people pay $15K. But he got the video experience instead.

Manic has a standing invite to come to any of my live events for free. The next is in San Diego.

[Harvey Specter]

Pay to watch this John Chow guy or pay to watch strippers slide down poles hmmmm that's a tough one.

[JulyZerg]

That's because you place no value on yourself and have no following. People pay $15,000 to hear me speak and shake my hand.

I'm starting to think you have never attended a live event before since you can't seem to comprehend the value of live vs. virtual. Did you attend any events when Vancouver was hosting the Olympics or did you watched it on TV because you think it's the same thing?

:lawl::lawl::lawl::lawl::lawl:

[TTZ]

Pay to watch this John Chow guy or pay to watch strippers slide down poles hmmmm that's a tough one.

One will give you a nice boner but leave you unsatisfied because they're not allowed to finish you (not in Vancouver anyway). The other can teach you to create a system that makes you the money so you never have to work at a job. And you can live the Dot Com Lifestyle, travel the world, and join the New Rich. Ya. Tough choice. :)

[meme405]

People pay $15,000 to hear me speak and shake my hand.

How arrogant could one be. I wouldn't give you a quarter to phone your SO on your death bed.

[TTZ]

How arrogant could one be. I wouldn't give you a quarter to phone your SO on your death bed.

There's nothing arrogant about it. that's just stating a fact. I also get paid $2,000 an hour for consulting. Is that being arrogant? No, it's just my hourly rate, which I'm sure is higher than yours. OK, now I'm being arrogant. :)

[parm104]

Although I'm not a fan of this line of work nor do I support it...I don't see why everyone is knocking on this TTZ guy...

It's not like he came in here and advertised what he was doing or tried to recruit people to join his "cause." In a sense, he was being called out and he came in here to explain his position. Wrong or right, the guy is doing what he's doing and it has no affect on our lives.

Criticize the program, the concept and the way that these companies operate...but why pick on some random guy who's apart of it and try to knock him down?

I dunno, maybe it's just that I'm smart enough not to fall into these things and so I feel no need to go off proving it wrong or trying to convince people that what they're doing is just a smoke and mirrors game.

Shit, IF I was making bank of some shit like this, (I'm not saying that TTZ is indeed making coin or that he's not) but if I was and someone tried to knock me down, of course I'd come in and try to shut them up by reiterating my profits and following. This is a ridiculous thread and people like OP are the kinds of people that fall into these businesses. I see them pop up on the internet, facebook and instagram all the time and have "friends" who have taken apart of many...But never once did I give it some thought for myself let alone make a thread on the internet to discuss the details of the program.

To each their own...

[Drow]

the problem with these "seminars" nowadays is that there has been a lot of them going around which has SCAM written all over it

or it has SCAM perceived all over it

i personally dont think these seminars are scams (well at least for a few of them). i'm sure the presenters are actually good at what they do, to the point where they are confident enough to share it with the rest of society, with a cost, of course... if you were a gifted businessman and want to share your industry strats, no shit sherlock you'll charge people money for it... you're providing them a service after all.

its ignorant to auto assume these "services" to be scammy and fraudulent. Even for organizations such as usana, lyoness, etc., people assume them to be scams, or the first thing they think of is "pyramid scheme". Well yea, it is a pyramid scheme, i mean.. thats how it works. if you invest your time and effort into network marketing, and given that you're actually good at it, you WILL make money. its just that a lot of people are put off by the work required by network marketing and dismiss it as a scam...

i dont know jack shit about this john chow guy, but assuming its shit and that time could be well spent in other areas right off the bat is close minded

[NKC ONE]

I can't help but to think that the $100K/mth you claim you are raking in has a lot to do with the $15k/head seminars.

[TTZ]

I can't help but to think that the $100K/mth you claim you are raking in has a lot to do with the $15k/head seminars.

It would be nice if I could do a $15K per head mastermind every month. But it only happens once a year. The next one is planned in May 2014 in Costa Rica.

[Lomac]

While I get the theory behind it, personally I'd never pay $15k to hear someone talk. Hell, I wouldn't pay that much to spend a day with my idol. lol. That said, to each their own. It's not my thing, but clearly other people are more than willing to check it out.

[TTZ]

Spending $15K on a seminar is not for everyone, that's for sure. But like anything, there is a market for it. You just have to see the value in it.

For me, I would never buy the SL550 the company gave me because I think spending over $100K on a car is just a big waste of money. However, I have no problem spending money on specialized knowledge.

One of my JV partners spent over $60K attending seminars last year. You may think that's just a big waste of money, but he'll tell you that the contacts and information he got at those events is what allows him to make up to $10K a day.

I have attended my share of $15K events. I have never lost money on them. The last one, I met a ClickBank marketing expert Peng Joon. We formed a partnership, launched three #1 ClickBank products (working on the 4th), and made over $1 million. Don't you wish putting $15K in your car can do that? :)

[parm104]

Spending $15K on a seminar is not for everyone, that's for sure. But like anything, there is a market for it. You just have to see the value in it.

For me, I would never buy the SL550 the company gave me because I think spending over $100K on a car is just a big waste of money. However, I have no problem spending money on specialized knowledge.

One of my JV partners spent over $60K attending seminars last year. You may think that's just a big waste of money, but he'll tell you that the contacts and information he got at those events is what allows him to make up to $10K a day.

I have attended my share of $15K events. I have never lost money on them. The last one, I met a ClickBank marketing expert Peng Joon. We formed a partnership, launched three #1 ClickBank products (working on the 4th), and made over $1 million. Don't you wish putting $15K in your car can do that? :)

May I ask what your background is? Education, training, past experience/employment?

[SkinnyPupp]

Education, totally an important factor :pokerface:

[TTZ]

May I ask what your background is? Education, training, past experience/employment?

I graduated from BCIT with a Diploma in Financial Management (accounting option). Worked at a job for a grand total of 8 months in my entire life. Decided that working at a job sucks, and never did it again. It's not that I'm unemployed, I'm just unemployable. Started John Chow dot Com in Dec. 2005. Turned it into one of the biggest and most profitable blogs in the world. The CBC did this documentary on me last year (not that anyone watches CBC documentaries). Look closely and you'll see a few RS members in the video. :)

The John Chow Story - YouTube

[Manic!]

Anyone wanna do a group buy? I will go to the seminars and post all the info online for free. Maybe I should start an Kick starter or Indiegogo campaign.


And clickbank LOL!!!!

[NKC ONE]

Manic has a standing invite to come to any of my live events for free. The next is in San Diego.

Why need a groupbuy? He already offered for to you attend for free. Lets call it a RS representative.

[parm104]

Education, totally an important factor :pokerface:

Important factor to what....?

[TTZ]

And clickbank LOL!!!!

You got that right. I laugh all the way to the bank with ClickBank. :devil:

Your extremely limited knowledge of Internet marketing is very obvious. You really should attend one of my events. I could use another case study like you. I can turn you into another Junjun Li.

Junjun Li ~ Live The Life ~ - YouTube

[SkinnyPupp]

Important factor to what....?
Anything

[Manic!]

Why need a groupbuy? He already offered for to you attend for free. Lets call it a RS representative.

The free ones is were they get you to sign up for the one that costs money. Just like the rich dad poor dad scam CBC busted. 'Rich Dad' seminars deceptive: Marketplace - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/rich-dad-seminars-deceptive-marketplace-1.877709)

Think about this. His buddy paid 60 grand for a bunch of contacts. I'm guessing those contacts are to people who own businesses. In the real world businesses pay to find customers. In the MTTB world customers pay to find out where to buy products from. Hey man I will give you a 100 bux if you can tell me where I can buy a HKS exhaust from.

[parm104]

Anything

LOL...In my opinion, education has a role in EVERYTHING we do. Your knowledge on a particular subject matter is what makes you qualified and skilled.

Your personal and real-life experiences provide you with knowledge on your area of expertise. You can't get anywhere without being able to learn how to do things...The more you know, the better you will be.

Your signature is a testament to education and what it can do...I read those lists years ago and expanded my knowledge on about 5 different topics...I can't talk with credibility on "supplements for weight training" without being educated on the issue first.

[Manic!]

You got that right. I laugh all the way to the bank with ClickBank. :devil:

Your extremely limited knowledge of Internet marketing is very obvious. You really should attend one of my events. I could use another case study like you. I can turn you into another Junjun Li.

Junjun Li ~ Live The Life ~ - YouTube (http://youtu.be/WxTc9rSrVQQ)

The guy in your video was broke when he started. That's something I am not.

Clickbank type companies have been around way before the internet.

You should come train with me and the 2 grand masters. i will teach you how to run a gas station. 12 grand 2 weeks and you get to stay at a 4 bedroom waterfront house by yourself.

Also I will teach you to get contacts to give you free stuff instead of you paying to get contacts.

[MindBomber]

I am pretty sure that you are discouraged from touching the speakers... ;)

I graduated from BCIT with a Diploma in Financial Management (accounting option). Worked at a job for a grand total of 8 months in my entire life. Decided that working at a job sucks, and never did it again. It's not that I'm unemployed, I'm just unemployable. Started John Chow dot Com in Dec. 2005. Turned it into one of the biggest and most profitable blogs in the world. The CBC did this documentary on me last year (not that anyone watches CBC documentaries). Look closely and you'll see a few RS members in the video. :)


I'm curious, what was the subject that you initially blogged about? At the moment, your blog intices people with promises of potential wealth on the basis of advice on running a successful blog, but you must have had a successful blog before you before you ran a blog about running a successful blog.

In the CBC documentary, Ed Lau (Ronin), Carl Nelson (SkinnyPupp), and Michael Kwan are all mentioned. Ronin and Skinny do not come across as multi-millionaires, and they run successful food, photography, canucks, and computer hardware blogs. Indeed, SG's mentioned RS is barely profitable despite being a successful forum (although sites like H-T make a mint because of IB's large network). You must have done something very different and very special, compared to your former peers, in running your blog, what is it?

[TTZ]

The guy in your video was broke when he started. That's something I am not.

Clickbank type companies have been around way before the internet.

You should come train with me and the 2 grand masters. i will teach you how to run a gas station. 12 grand 2 weeks and you get to stay at a 4 bedroom waterfront house by yourself.

You're not broke. That's great. Are you making over $1 million a year? Can you take off for months at a time and still make a million? Can you live and work from anywhere in the world? Can you donate enough to feed 4,000 homeless people during the UGM Thanksgiving dinner (Ya, I did that and I'm proud of it!)? Can you build a school in a 3rd world country? Do you have both time AND money? If not, then you will still make a good case study.

I don't do free live events. They are all paid. But like I said, I'll comp you a pass. The next event is in San Diego. It's a three day event call the Home Business Summit. Come on down, experience a real live event for once instead of watching everything on TV.

The Home Business Summit - YouTube

Thanks for the gas station offer but my next car is a Tesla Model S. It needs no gas.

[Manic!]

You're not broke. That's great. Are you making over $1 million a year? Can you take off for months at a time and still make a million? Can you live and work from anywhere in the world? Can you donate enough to feed 4,000 homeless people during the UGM Thanksgiving dinner (Ya, I did that and I'm proud of it!)? Can you build a school in a 3rd world country? Do you have both time AND money? If not, then you will still make a good case study.

I don't do free live events. They are all paid. But like I said, I'll comp you a pass. The next event is in San Diego. It's call the Home Business Summit. Come on down, experience a real live event for once instead of watching everything on TV.

The Home Business Summit - YouTube (http://youtu.be/ObO2DzumXRs)


Thanks for the gas station offer but my next car is a Tesla Model S. It needs no gas.

If someone goes to your seminar can they video tape it?

[parm104]

You should come train with me and the 2 grand masters. i will teach you how to run a gas station. 12 grand 2 weeks and you get to stay at a 4 bedroom waterfront house by yourself.

Also I will teach you to get contacts to give you free stuff instead of you paying to get contacts.

I'm interested but curious if I need to pack my own roti for lunch or if it will be provided. Please advise.

[TTZ]

If someone goes to your seminar can they video tape it?

Yes and no. You can't video record the entire session. You are allow to video up to 3 minutes of a presentation to post on YouTube, Facebook, blog, etc. You are also allowed to video any of the attendee with their permission.

[NKC ONE]

If someone goes to your seminar can they video tape it?

Unless they somehow have a mass hypnosis, I don't see why you would need to tape it. I think John has clarified that it would be totally free for you. I'm not on anyone's side, but I would like to see how this turns out for Manic.

[Manic!]

Unless they somehow have a mass hypnosis, I don't see why you would need to tape it. I think John has clarified that it would be totally free for you. I'm not on anyone's side, but I would like to see how this turns out for Manic.

so I can post it online. That way people won't have to travel to see him speak.

[SpeedStars]

Sort of understand what TTZ means. Public speaking is a strong skill if you can get your point accross; fully established. If Manic! records the seminar, you actually won't really get whats going on but just the jist of it.... I say we pack Manic! Some bags to San Diego for an adventure :badpokerface:
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[TTZ]

I'm curious, what was the subject that you initially blogged about? At the moment, your blog intices people with promises of potential wealth on the basis of advice on running a successful blog, but you must have had a successful blog before you before you ran a blog about running a successful blog.

In the CBC documentary, Ed Lau (Ronin), Carl Nelson (SkinnyPupp), and Michael Kwan are all mentioned. Ronin and Skinny do not come across as multi-millionaires, and they run successful food, photography, canucks, and computer hardware blogs. Indeed, SG's mentioned RS is barely profitable despite being a successful forum (although sites like H-T make a mint because of IB's large network). You must have done something very different and very special, compared to your former peers, in running your blog, what is it?

The blog started off as way to update friends and family on what was happening in my life. It was just a personal blog like the millions of other personal blogs out there. I was already a full-time Internet marketer before starting the blog. The blog allowed me to write about how I made money with those other sites, and that was what captured people's attention.

As blogging got bigger, I started shifting the posts from how to make money with affiliate marketing to how to make money by blogging. But the blog didn't make any money at that time, and I got called out on it. So I turned the blog into an income case study with the goal of make $3,000 a month on 2 hours a day. That took 4 months to do. Instead of stopping the case study after hitting the goal, I decided to keep it going to see what would happen if I "pulled out all the stops". The rest is documented by the CBC.

[Manic!]

Sort of understand what TTZ means. Public speaking is a strong skill if you can get your point accross; fully established. If Manic! records the seminar, you actually won't really get whats going on but just the jist of it.... I say we pack Manic! Some bags to San Diego for an adventure :badpokerface:
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Is it about how he is saying it or what he is saying?

[MindBomber]

The guy in your video was broke when he started. That's something I am not.

Clickbank type companies have been around way before the internet.

You should come train with me and the 2 grand masters. i will teach you how to run a gas station. 12 grand 2 weeks and you get to stay at a 4 bedroom waterfront house by yourself.

Also I will teach you to get contacts to give you free stuff instead of you paying to get contacts.

I'm interested but curious if I need to pack my own roti for lunch or if it will be provided. Please advise.

Manic,

I'm interested, however, I expect you to provide the roti.

Also, I expect Parm to attend, as the networking opportunity is a factor in the value

;)

[SpeedStars]

Is it about how he is saying it or what he is saying?

From what I'm getting, TTZ is a person who many businesses are interested in based on his success and how they could probably replicate it. The delivery by TTZ is probably also very strong hence the demand (so yes, a bit of both)
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[meme405]

From what I'm getting, TTZ is a person who many businesses are interested in based on his success and how they could probably replicate it. The delivery by TTZ is probably also very strong hence the demand (so yes, a bit of both)
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So he got lucky and somehow managed to get a lot of clicks on his site which in turn generated some cash and now he is riding that wave by attempting to teach that to anyone who will listen and pay.

A story vaguely similar to all these goof ass people like antoine dodson and whoever that chick that says "ain't nobody got time fo dat". Only difference between these people and John Chow is that John has managed to ride the wave a lot longer.

The bigger they are the harder they fall. People thought Enron was a legitimate idea at one point too. Not saying that our friend here is scamming, but I don't know how sustainable his business model is. (not saying it ain't sustainable, just that it isn't proven to be yet)

[SkinnyPupp]

LOL...In my opinion, education has a role in EVERYTHING we do. Your knowledge on a particular subject matter is what makes you qualified and skilled.

Your personal and real-life experiences provide you with knowledge on your area of expertise. You can't get anywhere without being able to learn how to do things...The more you know, the better you will be.

Your signature is a testament to education and what it can do...I read those lists years ago and expanded my knowledge on about 5 different topics...I can't talk with credibility on "supplements for weight training" without being educated on the issue first.
Usually by using the term education you mean school, not knowledge, skill, or experience. So in that regard, I agree with you.

[Culverin]

He got successful, now he's a motivational speaker?
And he charges big money for his seminars.

Why do people have a problem with this?
Not everybody needs or wants that.
But some people do.


I don't see why there's a problem.
Not every business runs on a tangible product.
Some are based around people and their expertise.

Gordon Ramsay doesn't cook at each of his restaurants around the world.
He's a personality. Somebody with a rep.

He says the same 4 things in every Kitchen Nightmares.
1. Simplify
2. Fresh, local, seasonal
3. Know your local demographic.
4. Clean your damn kitchen

Yet people still watch that show.
And yet, people who run restaurants still can't get that straight.
So he gives them a swift verbal kick in the ass.


I don't see how this is so different.

[Manic!]

He got successful, now he's a motivational speaker?
And he charges big money for his seminars.

Why do people have a problem with this?
Not everybody needs or wants that.
But some people do.


I don't see why there's a problem.
Not every business runs on a tangible product.
Some are based around people and their expertise.

Gordon Ramsay doesn't cook at each of his restaurants around the world.
He's a personality. Somebody with a rep.

He says the same 4 things in every Kitchen Nightmares.
1. Simplify
2. Fresh, local, seasonal
3. Know your local demographic.
4. Clean your damn kitchen

Yet people still watch that show.
And yet, people who run restaurants still can't get that straight.
So he gives them a swift verbal kick in the ass.


I don't see how this is so different.

Got successful doing what? He's charging 10 to 20 times what Oprah charges.

[meme405]

He got successful, now he's a motivational speaker?
And he charges big money for his seminars.

Why do people have a problem with this?
Not everybody needs or wants that.
But some people do.


I don't see why there's a problem.
Not every business runs on a tangible product.
Some are based around people and their expertise.

Gordon Ramsay doesn't cook at each of his restaurants around the world.
He's a personality. Somebody with a rep.

He says the same 4 things in every Kitchen Nightmares.
1. Simplify
2. Fresh, local, seasonal
3. Know your local demographic.
4. Clean your damn kitchen

Yet people still watch that show.
And yet, people who run restaurants still can't get that straight.
So he gives them a swift verbal kick in the ass.


I don't see how this is so different.

We have all come to understand how he makes money now, at the beginning it was not clear but we all get it now, and I don't have a problem with what he does, nor do I give a fuck.

I am just not one of these people stupid enough to spend 15K to listen to some guy talk about how he got to where he is and how I can turn my life around by imitating him. So hearing that someone can make exorbitant amounts of money doing this is simply mind boggling to me...

EDIT: and nobody come in here and say its all for networking, cause thats BS, just because I belong to the same country club as Jim Pattison he doesnt invite me to start a Joint Venture with him, so how would this non-sense be any different?

OP can come and say he met someone at one of these things and they made millions together, but he has also made it clear that he is not simply any attendant at these events he is a host or coordinator of some sort. So all his attendees would likely not have all the same opportunities as him...

[Xu.Vi]

We're not being use to sold to anything else aside from tangible products. It's a way of having security towards our own investments, especially to such events as Mr.Chow offers in which new-comers won't have any assurance or security...

One of the problems I personally have with these type of companies is there is too much "I make $_____ doing this. Attend this and you could POSSIBLY make $______. To prove it, I helped _____ make $_____." (could we actually believe if your student acutally made $____?). There's too much claims about money and "I want to show YOU how to make the amount I make" rather than "I'm going to keep my secret to myself and make even more" to a point I question if this guys just really just earning money off the recruits.
I don't see individuals like Gordon Ramsay recruiting and flexing about their income and in addition, convince "qualified" individuals to becoming successful like them too.
Which is why I'm SOMEWHAT certain a lot of the income is generated through recruitment seminars. Which is why a lot of people take these with more than a grain of salt.
It's almost like the advertisements you see once in a while about rapid weight loss and such...could you possibly lose 50LB's within a month by following a certain criteria/calender? PROBABLY not. But you will definitely see a correlation over a longer period of time though.
Which brings me to the final point: lot of things sound too good to be true, but if one does believe in what ever it may be, you may see slow but HOPEFULLY gradual progress?

Just my 4am blab while drunk. Don't mind me.

[TTZ]

Not saying that our friend here is scamming, but I don't know how sustainable his business model is. (not saying it ain't sustainable, just that it isn't proven to be yet)

My business model has been around forever, and I'm pretty sure it'll continue long after I'm gone. It may not be in the same format, but it'll still be around. Like any business, the ones who survives are the ones who can adapt and change with the market.

I've been an Internet marketer for 15 years and have been teaching Internet marketing for 8. I'm still around because I have a products that delivers value to the people who buys it. And that's really the key to success in any business.

[TTZ]

Got successful doing what? He's charging 10 to 20 times what Oprah charges.

Don't know where you got that number. I wish I could charge even 1/10 of what Oprah charges! LOL

[TTZ]

EDIT: and nobody come in here and say its all for networking, cause thats BS, just because I belong to the same country club as Jim Pattison he doesnt invite me to start a Joint Venture with him, so how would this non-sense be any different?

OP can come and say he met someone at one of these things and they made millions together, but he has also made it clear that he is not simply any attendant at these events he is a host or coordinator of some sort. So all his attendees would likely not have all the same opportunities as him...

The answer to that question is yes and no. It really depends on the event. No, you'll probably never do a JV with Jimmy just by being in the same country club, but if you met him at Anthony Robbin's $100,000 weekend mastermind, you can get a sit down with him. Is that worth $100K? To me, not right now, but in the future, it might be.

The $15K mastermind where I met Peng Jong. We were both just attendees. Would I have met Peng at a lower priced event like the Affiliate Summit? Maybe but I would have a lot harder time forming the relationship because the Summit has over 5,000 people attending and there's so much stuff to see and do. The $15K mastermind had 50 and one goal. This is not the say the Affiliate Summit is not as good, because it is. They just serve a different purpose.

[TTZ]

We're not being use to sold to anything else aside from tangible products. It's a way of having security towards our own investments, especially to such events as Mr.Chow offers in which new-comers won't have any assurance or security...

Were you sold a tangible product when you went to university? Or did you really pay $10K to $150K for a piece paper and some text books? Were you offered any assurance or security that you would get a job or be successful after graduating?

Welcome to the school of John Chow. :)

[Gridlock]

There's nothing arrogant about it. that's just stating a fact. I also get paid $2,000 an hour for consulting. Is that being arrogant? No, it's just my hourly rate, which I'm sure is higher than yours. OK, now I'm being arrogant. :)

And this type of shit is what makes me do the following in short order:

1. rolleyes

:rolleyes:

2. Use the term "dick" in a sentence.

sample dialogue, "this guy is a fucking dick"

3. Close this circle jerk thread tab in my browser.

4. Get thanked by a few of us apparently not in the know.

psst...that's your cue. :)

5. Get failed by Skinny.

[Manic!]

Don't know where you got that number. I wish I could charge even 1/10 of what Oprah charges! LOL

Last time Oprah was in Vancouver tickets started at $300.

So how much would you charge to market website I have.

[Lomac]

Spending $15K on a seminar is not for everyone, that's for sure. But like anything, there is a market for it. You just have to see the value in it.

For me, I would never buy the SL550 the company gave me because I think spending over $100K on a car is just a big waste of money. However, I have no problem spending money on specialized knowledge.

One of my JV partners spent over $60K attending seminars last year. You may think that's just a big waste of money, but he'll tell you that the contacts and information he got at those events is what allows him to make up to $10K a day.

I have attended my share of $15K events. I have never lost money on them. The last one, I met a ClickBank marketing expert Peng Joon. We formed a partnership, launched three #1 ClickBank products (working on the 4th), and made over $1 million. Don't you wish putting $15K in your car can do that? :)

I completely get the contacts and information aspect of attending seminars. It's part of the reason why many people go to Ivy League Universities. While most of these schools teach virtually the same curriculum as 90% of the UBC's and SFU's around the world, the main difference is that at Harvard or Eton you're getting drunk with the elite's sons and daughters instead of Jon Doe from down the street. The friendships (contacts) you can potentially make may be priceless down the road, be it fellow students, their parents, or even the professors. It's not too dissimilar to many professions. When I think of my time in the film industry, if you don't have any contacts, you're left at the bottom of every call sheet. However, if you happen to know the Director of Photography, Production Manager, or any other person in any position of authority, the chances of landing a good gig every time rises exponentially.

In this case, I do still take issue with the amount TTZ charges, but it goes to reinforce the saying that it takes money to make money. Again, though, while I doubt I could ever be convinced to fork out the cash for this type of seminar, obviously there are enough people out there who feel they can learn enough from these events that they are more than willing to pay.

[TTZ]

Last time Oprah was in Vancouver tickets started at $300.

So how much would you charge to market website I have.

Oprah also got 2,000 people to show up and she only had to speak for 1 hour. At $300 min per ticket, that's over $600K an hour.

My event was 1 week long and the price included the hotel, meals, drinks and all the activities like parasailing and jet skiing. 100 people at $15K works out $25,000 an hour based on 60 hours. A far cry from $600K

Oprah can do an event a week and draw 2,000 people easily. I can only do two masterminds a year. Like I said, I'll be extremely happy if i can make 1/10 of what Oprah does.

I charge $25,000 to create a marketing sales funnel for a website.

[Manic!]

Oprah also got 2,000 people to show up and she only had to speak for 1 hour. At $300 min per ticket, that's over $600K an hour.

My event was 1 week long and the price included the hotel, meals, drinks and all the activities like parasailing and jet skiing. 100 people at $15K works out $25,000 an hour based on 60 hours. A far cry from $600K

Oprah can do an event a week and draw 2,000 people easily. I can only do two masterminds a year. Like I said, I'll be extremely happy if i can make 1/10 of what Oprah does.

I charge $25,000 to create a marketing sales funnel for a website.

Any examples of your work?

[TTZ]

Any examples of your work?

Sure! Easy Access Profits (http://easyaccessprofits.com/)

[Xu.Vi]

http://froyonation.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/grandma_meme.jpg

[parm104]

Sure! Easy Access Profits (http://easyaccessprofits.com/)

Can you provide a sample of your stock portfolio? What kind of gas do you put in your vehicle? Truth or dare?

[Manic!]

Sure! Easy Access Profits (http://easyaccessprofits.com/)

Your site claims I can make over 9k a day but you have no idea what my website is or what the business is. How can you do that?

[multicartual]

Despite all the money he makes, I don't think he is very cool

[TTZ]

Your site claims I can make over 9k a day but you have no idea what my website is or what the business is. How can you do that?

You asked for an example of my work. By that I assume you meant show a site that I help create or developed. You never showed me your site or your business, other than saying you know how to run a gas station.

[noclue]

I don't know much about this field but anyone who brags how much money they make, especially to strangers on an internet forum (and how much you can make!) greatly exaggerates their earnings.

[TTZ]

Can you provide a sample of your stock portfolio? What kind of gas do you put in your vehicle? Truth or dare?

Sample of my stock portfolio? Can you give me the contents of your RRSP? LOL

Let me answer your question this way. I have no mutual funds. Anyone who is an accredited investor will understand why. My biggest stock holdings is AAPL. I recommend you buy some. I have no RRSP because I get paid by dividend which is not consider "earned income". It also means I don't have to pay EI or pay into the Canada Pension Plan, which I'm sure will be broke by the time I'm 65. I max out my TFSA every year.

As for the gas, the Lexus takes regular, the Mercedes takes premium. The highest premium gas available in California (where I am right now) is 91. My car in Vancouver takes premium but I put in 89.

[trancehead]

You asked for an example of my work. By that I assume you meant show a site that I help create or developed. You never showed me your site or your business, other than saying you know how to run a gas station.

i think what Manic! meant to ask was, despite not even knowing the contents or popularity of his website, how could it generate 9k?

[Manic!]

You asked for an example of my work. By that I assume you meant show a site that I help create or developed. You never showed me your site or your business, other than saying you know how to run a gas station.

When I asked for an example I wanted businesses that you have helped with your internet marketing skills. Like Joe blows car parts or Jims deli. Before they had this much traffic on there site now they have this much and now they are doing this % more business. That type of stuff.

[TTZ]

When I asked for an example I wanted businesses that you have helped with your internet marketing skills. Like Joe blows car parts or Jims deli. Before they had this much traffic on there site now they have this much and now they are doing this % more business. That type of stuff.

Ahh! I don't do that type of consulting. I specialize in grounds up "product launch" sites like the Easy Access Profit. If anyone creates an information product and needs a marketing plan to sell it, then I'm the guy to call.

Joe car parts and Jim's deli should call someone else. It's not that I can't help them. They just can't afford my rates. I like dealing with companies that don't blink when I give them a price. That's never a small business.

Here's a lecture I gave at Cal State for ProductCamp showing how I do a product launch. Like I said, if you have an info product, I'm the guy to launch it. :)

Zero To $200,000 In One Month - How To Launch Your Own Info Product - YouTube

[meme405]

When I asked for an example I wanted businesses that you have helped with your internet marketing skills. Like Joe blows car parts or Jims deli. Before they had this much traffic on there site now they have this much and now they are doing this % more business. That type of stuff.

This is exactly what he was asking and you posted a link to some BS site, wtf is that?

You claim to help market people's websites, please share some of your clients and their sites to us...

I have friends that work for real marketing companies like Grey Canada, and Curve Comms. Those companies provide all round service, help you promote your business, alter peoples perception of your company, provide advertising services, etc.

What do you provide to the companies who recruit you to market their website? I mean besides spamming the link to all mindless sheep that follow your blog...

So Far all you keep saying is how you teach people to make money from marketing and directing peoples clicks on the internet and you make money based on events that train people to do this. All we are asking is SHOW US WHEN AND HOW this process actually worked for you. Cause right now all I see is money being brought in from selling BS seminars...


EDIT: So you really are just a troll, you just set up sites that people click on and those clicks generate revenue, this is not marketing, this is just spamming the internet to retarded people who believe you...

Then you make further money trying to teach people to duplicate your non-sense. Thats why we end up with all these BS scam sites all over the internet claiming "you can make $100000000000 dollars a year just by sitting on your ass at home...."

[meme405]

On top of all of this that site you linked asks for people's email address, I know people can sell lists of email address' to sites like click bank, so I am assuming thats how that site makes money...

That is not a business, thats once again just spamming innocent people who probably don't know any better...

[Xu.Vi]

That whole seminar reminded me of a time I was studying at Starbucks and some random guy sitting next to me talking on the phone saying how he "almost made his for million before even hitting 30" to his friend. This went on for about 15 minutes.
Afterwards, in a nut shell, he spoke to me about how he could HELP me do the same...he even sent me an invite to meet the "TOP CEO'S OF INSERTBULLSHITHERE" at his house party the following day.
:badpokerface:

[SpeedStars]

...well, did you go? Cuz he could prob give you connections and be friends with a friend of a friend of Bill Gates :troll:
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[Xu.Vi]

...well, did you go? Cuz he could prob give you connections and be friends with a friend of a friend of Bill Gates :troll:
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Nope. The others that overheard him talking and self-introduced themselves are probably making their first half a million now while i'm gradually going deeper in debt from university:derp:. How I wish I went! :troll:

[Ferra]

Yes, the company gave me a SL550 for free.

If you, or any else, wants to find out more about MTTB, feel free to PM me or go check out my blog (http://www.johnchow.com). Yes, it is making me over $100,000 a month.

We formed a partnership, launched three #1 ClickBank products (working on the 4th), and made over $1 million. Don't you wish putting $15K in your car can do that? :)
reported this thread to the CRA tax snitch tips line Informant Leads Program (http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/gncy/nvstgtns/lds/menu-eng.html#ntrnt)
hopefully you reported all your sl550 taxable benefit and 1million+ annual income (oh...and i applaud you for paying over 400K in taxes every year to support our government and our country) :troll:

[scoobyej20]

just lock this thread already. why help promote this guy's blog?

[SkinnyPupp]

I say let the haters keep hatin' it's pretty funny

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/byrne-dance.gif

[TTZ]

reported this thread to the CRA tax snitch tips line Informant Leads Program (http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/gncy/nvstgtns/lds/menu-eng.html#ntrnt)
hopefully you reported all your sl550 taxable benefit and 1million+ annual income (oh...and i applaud you for paying over 400K in taxes every year to support our government and our country) :troll:

Go ahead. I pay all taxes that is legally due. In both the US and Canada. And you are welcome. I just wish our government would serve us better with the tax money they're getting.

[TTZ]

I say let the haters keep hatin' it's pretty funny

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/byrne-dance.gif

I love haters. They offer pretty good entertainment value for the money. :nicethread:

[Manic!]

Ahh! I don't do that type of consulting. I specialize in grounds up "product launch" sites like the Easy Access Profit. If anyone creates an information product and needs a marketing plan to sell it, then I'm the guy to call.

Joe car parts and Jim's deli should call someone else. It's not that I can't help them. They just can't afford my rates. I like dealing with companies that don't blink when I give them a price. That's never a small business.

Here's a lecture I gave at Cal State for ProductCamp showing how I do a product launch. Like I said, if you have an info product, I'm the guy to launch it. :)

Zero To $200,000 In One Month - How To Launch Your Own Info Product - YouTube (http://youtu.be/Uq4gcoV_oPE)


Forget about Jim what about Pete? He started a sandwich shop called Pete's subway and now he has more locations than McDonalds.

I have a small photo booth business that I have not done much with because of other work. Now I have a buddy who wants to help out. I want to be the number 1 photo booth company in Vancouver and then franchise to other cities. What can you do for me and yes I can afford you.

[NKC ONE]

So when someone doesn't agree or questions your business methods they are hating? I for one have no understanding of how this all works and would love to learn more about it. I applaud your ability to make it big especially from Vancouver and it somehow makes me proud to know that you also came out of BCIT. I have no doubt that you are a very capable person but my question is how many people can your system really benefit? I can only see it as you making money on these new recruits or what not based on your personal success which may possibly be 1 in a million or more. Can you genuinely say that your success was based on a formulated sequence of tasks and anyone can do it? How many other John Chow's are there? As someone mentioned, what happened to the other so called "partners" who apparently "discovered" or "co-founded" this system together? Arn't some of these guys still on this forum? I'd assume that they reach at least 1/2 or maybe 1/4 of your success right? Just curious ya know.

[parm104]

So when someone doesn't agree or questions your business methods they are hating? I for one have no understanding of how this all works and would love to learn more about it. I applaud your ability to make it big especially from Vancouver and it somehow makes me proud to know that you also came out of BCIT. I have no doubt that you are a very capable person but my question is how many people can your system really benefit? I can only see it as you making money on these new recruits or what not based on your personal success which may possibly be 1 in a million or more. Can you genuinely say that your success was based on a formulated sequence of tasks and anyone can do it? How many other John Chow's are there? As someone mentioned, what happened to the other so called "partners" who apparently "discovered" or "co-founded" this system together? Arn't some of these guys still on this forum? I'd assume that they reach at least 1/2 or maybe 1/4 of your success right? Just curious ya know.

...paragraphs.

[TTZ]

Forget about Jim what about Pete? He started a sandwich shop called Pete's subway and now he has more locations than McDonalds.

I have a small photo booth business that I have not done much with because of other work. Now I have a buddy who wants to help out. I want to be the number 1 photo booth company in Vancouver and then franchise to other cities. What can you do for me and yes I can afford you.

I specialize in what I'm good at. I wouldn't be able to help Pete's because it's outside my field. I don't have experience with photo booth either but I do know the CEO of Blenz Coffee. He can help you with franchising and raising money. I'll be happy to give you an intro. Won't cost you anything.

I'm sure you know that businesses is all about connections and relationships. I've build up a few in the past 15 years. I help when I can. I know it will come back to me. I really am serious about you coming to my event. If you can't make it, then I'll be happy to meet up with you the next time I'm in Vancouver.

[Manic!]

I specialize in what I'm good at. I wouldn't be able to help Pete's because it's outside my field. I don't have experience with photo booth either but I do know the CEO of Blenz Coffee. He can help you with franchising and raising money. I'll be happy to give you an intro. Won't cost you anything.

I'm sure you know that businesses is all about connections and relationships. I've build up a few in the past 15 years. I help when I can. I know it will come back to me. I really am serious about you coming to my event. If you can't make it, then I'll be happy to meet up with you the next time I'm in Vancouver.

Thanx for the offer but I don't need to raise more money. I need someone that's a internet marketing expert to help with my online marketing strategy.

What do you specialize in?

[Purely]

.

[meme405]

Thanx for the offer but I don't need to raise more money. I need someone that's a internet marketing expert to help with my online marketing strategy.

What do you specialize in?

I specialize in what I'm good at.

Lol, I am pretty sure this is true for literally every semi-intelligent human being in the world.

He already made it clear he specializes in marketing John Chow and only John Chow.

I bet this fool couldn't sell water in the desert....

I listened to a variety of non-sense on youtube and also that crappy link you posted and let me just say you are a complete tool. Your public speaking level is appalling, I have seen intro level english classes with more captivating public speakers. On top of all that, you come out with a shirt that says "I'm John Chow Bitch", I would have run up on stage and punched you in the throat if I was there.

[TTZ]

Thanx for the offer but I don't need to raise more money. I need someone that's a internet marketing expert to help with my online marketing strategy.

What do you specialize in?

Information product launches, blogging and live events are my main specialization.

[Manic!]

Information product launches, blogging and live events are my main specialization.

By live events do you mean things like weddings , concerts, and other types of shows? Because i might know some people that could help you out.

[parm104]

I bet this fool couldn't sell water in the desert....
.

I just don't think setting up a water shop in the desert would be profitable. No doubt the demand would be high but the operating costs alone would probably be through the roof. Just not an economically profitable business imo.

[TTZ]

So when someone doesn't agree or questions your business methods they are hating? I for one have no understanding of how this all works and would love to learn more about it. I applaud your ability to make it big especially from Vancouver and it somehow makes me proud to know that you also came out of BCIT. I have no doubt that you are a very capable person but my question is how many people can your system really benefit? I can only see it as you making money on these new recruits or what not based on your personal success which may possibly be 1 in a million or more. Can you genuinely say that your success was based on a formulated sequence of tasks and anyone can do it? How many other John Chow's are there? As someone mentioned, what happened to the other so called "partners" who apparently "discovered" or "co-founded" this system together? Arn't some of these guys still on this forum? I'd assume that they reach at least 1/2 or maybe 1/4 of your success right? Just curious ya know.


I think we all know who the haters are who isn't. I have no problems with questions and I'm happy to answer them. You notice that I'm only answering the legit questions/comment and not replying to the haters, because there's really no point in it. If it make them happy hating, then I'm happy to help.

To answer your questions, I really run 3 different Internet businesses. There's my blog which is completely free to read. It makes money from advertising and affiliate marketing. There's the info product business where I sell my products and have affiliates sell for me. Then there's MTTB. This is a "business in a box" for people who just wants the product creation and marketing done for them. Think of it as a franchise. You're buying a system instead of creating it yourself.

Can anybody do this? The answer is yes. BUT, the problem is most will not. This is not because the system doesn't work. It's because the person will not work it. In any field, you have will have the top 2% and everyone else. My business is the same. The difference is people in the 98% know the reason they're not in the 2% is because they're not doing what I teach. It's the old "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink" thing. I can provide all the tools, all the training, the entire business in box. But it won't do anything unless you actually work it.

People who do follow what I teach have done very well.

There's Timothy Skyes. The day his blog beat mine in income, instead of writing a post to thank me, he wrote this: Suck On This John Chow, My Blog Made $45,000 Last Month! - Timothy Sykes (http://www.timothysykes.com/2008/08/suck-on-this-john-chow-my-blog-made-45000-last-month/) I thought it was pretty cute. Tim's blog will make over $5 million this year. He now lives in Miami and drives a Lamborghini. But unlike me, he had to pay for his car. :)

https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/65112_10100103412881579_1831534975_n.jpg

There's also Timothy Ferriss.

http://www.johnchow.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/tim1.jpg

Yes, he's the 4-hour workweek guy. I helped him launched the book and made it a NY Times best seller.

I can't take full credit for the two Tims. Like many super successful people, they have multiple mentors and consultants. But the reason why they're in the top 2% is because they actually take action on the advice they received.

The question for you is, will you implement what I teach, or will you be like most and say "Wow! This is really great information!" and then continue with your life?

[TTZ]

By live events do you mean things like weddings , concerts, and other types of shows? Because i might know some people that could help you out.

No. I do live events like the $15,000 mastermind in Fiji. It's actually outsourced to an event company. They handle all the logistics and dealing with the hotels.

[drunkrussian]

lol john chow is a revscene member?

[TTZ]

lol john chow is a revscene member?

I've been a RS member since March 2002, long before I started John Chow dot Com. As you can see, I haven't been that active.

[Manic!]

No. I do live events like the $15,000 mastermind in Fiji. It's actually outsourced to an event company. They handle all the logistics and dealing with the hotels.

So then what do you do?

[TTZ]

So then what do you do?

I show up and I speak. :)

[yray]

rs john chow meet?

we'll show up and you can sell your stuff to us at a parking lot with timmies.

1. lemons

[Manic!]

Standing beside someone and taking a photo should not impress anyone. Same goes for the car and the house. The one shot you are missing is the one where you are on a yacht with a bunch of girls in bikinis. One year Paul Martin sent us a Christmas card are you impressed?

[StylinRed]

Only gave this thread a quick glance but it seems like TTZ and those who pay him make their money by selling advertisements and the hope of making a quick buck "find out how i made a million dollars scratching my nutz click here!" and TTZ adds to that by doing vacation seminars on how to make a profitable ad heavy blog?

amirite? if so sounds like Anthony Espinoza on Roids

[Manic!]

usiness in box. But it won't do anything unless you actually work it.

People who do follow what I teach have done very well.

There's Timothy Skyes. The day his blog beat mine in income, instead of writing a post to thank me, he wrote this: Suck On This John Chow, My Blog Made $45,000 Last Month! - Timothy Sykes (http://www.timothysykes.com/2008/08/suck-on-this-john-chow-my-blog-made-45000-last-month/) I thought it was pretty cute. Tim's blog will make over $5 million this year. He now lives in Miami and drives a Lamborghini. But unlike me, he had to pay for his car. :)

Timothy Skyes was a millionaire by the time he was 21 with zero help from you. He also doesn't follow your method. Maybe I should pay him 12k instead of you?

Timothy Sykes?s Success | Real estate and Property (http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/timothy-sykess-success/)

He thinks you are a fat lazy slob. :lol:

http://www.timothysykes.com/2008/08/suck-on-this-john-chow-my-blog-made-45000-last-month/

These are the July results of a hardworking internet entrepreneur, think 16-20 hours days, including weekends…it’s all about how bad you want it, f$%^ the 4-hour work week you fat lazy American slobs, working hard, and honestly, is the path to righteousness and fulfillment:




He stated that his business model is different from John Chow’s. John Chow’s business model is affiliate and advertisement while Timothy Sykes focus on producing various educational products

and a fraud.

http://www.blogherald.com/2008/08/27/dailyblogtips-interviews-timothy-sykes-50kmonth-blogger/

Mind you, I tried Chow’s business model—admittedly only half-heartedly because I have problems promoting all the frauds in finance–but it didn’t work for me…so I adapted.

[dvst8]

Too good to be true. I'll admit I've been to these conferences referred by friends. They do a really good job in selling you in. 90% of the time they talk about how much money they've made and you can do it too. They make it sound like you can make money quick and easy. Its also amazing how many people buy into it at these events. Kind of like a cult atmosphere. Head guy made $$$$$$ this year and everyone starts clapping and cheering??? Just watch the people there and youll see what I mean. The only way you'll make it in their business is if you hold conferences like they do. Thats how they get a huge following. You wont make it selling their cheap products to family and friends. Thats my 2 cents.

[Gridlock]

So then what do you do?

He makes money by telling people "here's how you can make money". His product is the poor sucker on the internet clicking a link. That's where his money comes from.

What does he actually sell? I don't know. I'm actually not willing to share an e-mail address on any site to find out. I care that little about shit like this.

Tony Robbins made a fortune selling people on the idea that they could be more than they currently are. His money had NOTHING to do with their success, it was the guy that bought a book, or attended a seminar. What they did with it is their business.

Most people that are legitimately successful don't need to swing their dick around saying, "I'm all that" and they certainly don't need to add, "and you could be too". But he needs to draw attention. Because if no one believes that "they can be too" then they won't click the link, and if they don't click the link, then "I'm no longer all that".

And THAT is why you'll always be the showy douche(no offense) who needs to spout off about how great it is to be you, because you CAN't actually be the you you want to be without the legion of people supporting it.

[multicartual]

I can't take full credit for the two Tims. Like many super successful people, they have multiple mentors and consultants. But the reason why they're in the top 2% is because they actually take action on the advice they received.



Honestly I think you're even scummier than porn dealers, check out this ad:


Learn How To Make $30,000 in 7 Days! (http://www.timothysykes.com/learn-how-to-make-30000-in-7-days/#).


Doesn't this remind you of ads in the movie "Idiocracy"?


The way I see it, you're picking on completely ignorant people with big dreams of wealth. You're basically saying "Here, sign up and I'll teach you how to make money" but you yourself got rich simply by taking people's money to teach them how they could make money, but 99% won't.


That Timothy Sykes guy is already disingenuous with claiming to be a "best selling author" as seen below:

Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #491,431 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)


But being jewish I'm not surprised this guy is laughing all the way to the bank while fleecing the dumb goyim. ;)

[multicartual]

The one shot you are missing is the one where you are on a yacht with a bunch of girls in bikinis.


None of these guys are cool enough for that, they are pretty much dorks with money from fleecing other dorks

[multicartual]

He makes money by telling people "here's how you can make money". His product is the poor sucker on the internet clicking a link. That's where his money comes from.


Yep, that's why I say it's even scummier than porn or drugs, at least when you sell someone porn or drugs they're getting what they want


This is selling someone false opportunity, taking their money, and then if they don't like your advice/product you can just call your customer fat and lazy for not getting rich like you did


John Chow is a mainstream hustler, digital snake oil dealer

[meme405]

Okay, so most people have come around that you are never going to get anywhere with this guy. Can we just close this thread now, I understand we are not in the automotive part of this site, but I hate to see anyone come to Revscene and get sucked into this non-sense.

At some point this is still a car forum, not a fucking affiliate site for John Chowder.

[Manic!]

For the record no one should give this guy a cent.

[TTZ]

Okay, so most people have come around that you are never going to get anywhere with this guy. Can we just close this thread now, I understand we are not in the automotive part of this site, but I hate to see anyone come to Revscene and get sucked into this non-sense.

At some point this is still a car forum, not a fucking affiliate site for John Chowder.

So a dozen of so people hating constitute most of RS, huh? Man, you're a math genius! :rofl:

[4444]

look at the site - that should be the end of the story, it just drips of crap

[meme405]

So a dozen of so people hating constitute most of RS, huh? Man, you're a math genius! :rofl:

I'm sure if this section of the site wasnt filled with mostly crap, and more people actually came in hear and read this drivle you call a business, yes they would agree that this thread has no reason to be on this website.

This is a car enthusiats forum, and a vancouver lifestyle forum, as far as I can tell you are outside both of those demographics (you live in cali at least partially, and I don't see you modifying any cars or coming out to meets and interacting with us members...)

EDIT: Only semi car related post in the past like 100 or so posts is that retarded video of a rubber sock being placed over an exhaust pipe, a post that could have been put in our car videos thread, or any number of other places.

[MindBomber]

So a dozen of so people hating constitute most of RS, huh? Man, you're a math genius! :rofl:

Ad hominems will not positively add to the impression you're presenting.

This thread currently has 140 posts, and all but Skinnypupp's opinions are negative. Skinnypupp's distinct bias also skews the validity of his opinions. Meme45's point is thus fair. This thread is a representative sample of RS, which shows the communities opinion of you and your business is overwhelming low.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't indulge your business whether or not I believed it was able to make me rich, because my morals prevent me from predatorily profiting on people with outrageous promises.

For the record, Oprah shook my hand for free. Not because she "place[s] no value on [her]self," as you suggested Manic does not, but because she's not arrogant and seeking to take advantage of people financially.

The sooner you get the fuck off RS, the better.

[Ferra]

He makes money by telling people "here's how you can make money". His product is the poor sucker on the internet clicking a link. That's where his money comes from.

Most people that are legitimately successful don't need to swing their dick around saying, "I'm all that" and they certainly don't need to add, "and you could be too". But he needs to draw attention. Because if no one believes that "they can be too" then they won't click the link, and if they don't click the link, then "I'm no longer all that".

And THAT is why you'll always be the showy douche(no offense) who needs to spout off about how great it is to be you, because you CAN't actually be the you you want to be without the legion of people supporting it.
http://img.pandawhale.com/36243-slow-clap-citizen-kane-orson-w-bJkI.gif
couldn't have said it better

[TTZ]

Ad hominems will not positively add to the impression you're presenting.

This thread currently has 140 posts, and all but Skinnypupp's opinions are negative. Skinnypupp's distinct bias also skews the validity of his opinions. Meme45's point is thus fair. This thread is a representative sample of RS, which shows the communities opinion of you and your business is overwhelming low.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't indulge your business whether or not I believed it was able to make me rich, because my morals prevent me from predatorily profiting on people with outrageous promises.

For the record, Oprah shook my hand for free. Not because she "place[s] no value on [her]self," as you suggested Manic does not, but because she's not arrogant and seeking to take advantage of people financially.

The sooner you get the fuck off RS, the better.

I've been on RS since 2002. Way longer than you. I'm not going anywhere. And this is the Off-Topic forum, which means I can talk about anything I want. If you think you and the people who posted in this thread represent the entire RS community, then you're not an Internet marketer. :devil:

[Manic!]

I've been on RS since 2002. Way longer than you. I'm not going anywhere. And this is the Off-Topic forum, which I mean I can talk about anything I want. If you think you and the people who posted in this thread represent the entire RS community, then you're not an Internet marketer. :devil:

Ya but you are not a sponsor. So you might want to move the link in your sig.

[Graeme S]

I've been on RS since 2002. Way longer than you. I'm not going anywhere. And this is the Off-Topic forum, which I mean I can talk about anything I want. If you think you and the people who posted in this thread represent the entire RS community, then you're not an Internet marketeer . :devil:

Fixed. Marketers sell things. Marketeers sell themselves.

[SkinnyPupp]

Ad hominems will not positively add to the impression you're presenting.

This thread currently has 140 posts, and all but Skinnypupp's opinions are negative. Skinnypupp's distinct bias also skews the validity of his opinions. Meme45's point is thus fair. This thread is a representative sample of RS, which shows the communities opinion of you and your business is overwhelming low.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't indulge your business whether or not I believed it was able to make me rich, because my morals prevent me from predatorily profiting on people with outrageous promises.

For the record, Oprah shook my hand for free. Not because she "place[s] no value on [her]self," as you suggested Manic does not, but because she's not arrogant and seeking to take advantage of people financially.

The sooner you get the fuck off RS, the better.
I don't think I ever shared my opinion on Johns product in this thread. I'm just here laughing at the ridiculous hate going on. The only person who has been reasonable and skeptical is Parm. Almost everyone else is just slinging shit.

[Gridlock]

Nah, skins, we get it.

Bro love.

:ratedb:

[TTZ]

Fixed. Marketers sell things. Marketeers sell themselves.

Remember that next time you go for an interview. :)

[Lomac]

I'm sure if this section of the site wasnt filled with mostly crap, and more people actually came in hear and read this drivle you call a business, yes they would agree that this thread has no reason to be on this website.

This is a car enthusiats forum, and a vancouver lifestyle forum, as far as I can tell you are outside both of those demographics (you live in cali at least partially, and I don't see you modifying any cars or coming out to meets and interacting with us members...)

EDIT: Only semi car related post in the past like 100 or so posts is that retarded video of a rubber sock being placed over an exhaust pipe, a post that could have been put in our car videos thread, or any number of other places.

To be fair, anyone who was part of Revscene back in '02 was likely here because they were car enthusiasts. What the website was like back then is a far cry from how it is now. Back then it was an IC rival and focused almost exclusively on modifying cars.

Remember, people tend to change over the span of a decade and both priorities and hobbies change. Just because he doesn't post a lot of automotive content doesn't mean he's not allowed on Revscene. This website is now more of a lifestyle website that happens to have automotive content. Feel free to debate him on the merits of his line of work, but don't dare attack his worthiness of being on this site by his posts alone.

He also has lots of posts that have been archived, most of which are buried deep in the vB vault (well, not really, but they're there lol). Just because you don't see his automotive posts doesn't mean they didn't happen at some point in time.

[multicartual]

To be fair, anyone who was part of Revscene back in '02 was likely here because they were car enthusiasts. What the website was like back then is a far cry from how it is now. Back then it was an IC rival and focused almost exclusively on modifying cars.

Remember, people tend to change over the span of a decade and both priorities and hobbies change. Just because he doesn't post a lot of automotive content doesn't mean he's not allowed on Revscene. This website is now more of a lifestyle website that happens to have automotive content. Feel free to debate him on the merits of his line of work, but don't dare attack his worthiness of being on this site by his posts alone.


43 MA

[Gridlock]

I don't think I ever shared my opinion on Johns product in this thread. I'm just here laughing at the ridiculous hate going on. The only person who has been reasonable and skeptical is Parm. Almost everyone else is just slinging shit.

You know, I was feeling bad for a second there as I like to think I'm not a prick.

And I'm thinking of when I said the term, "showy douche" here. Which I don't think of as really negative. I mean, realtors are showy douches. It's what you do when you need to get things from people on a regular basis.

But then he posts this shit.

Remember that next time you go for an interview. :)

And it makes it so hard to give a poo, you know?

[Manic!]

I don't think I ever shared my opinion on Johns product in this thread. I'm just here laughing at the ridiculous hate going on. The only person who has been reasonable and skeptical is Parm. Almost everyone else is just slinging shit.

So whats his product? Please let me know.

[meme405]

So whats his product? Please let me know.

Lol

This is obviously never going to get old for manic...

[Ronin]

I don't get why people have to hate on how other people make money.

[Manic!]

I don't get why people have to hate on how other people make money.

So you OK with people selling drugs to kids?

[Ronin]

I'm pretty sure one is illegal. Guess which one.

[Hondaracer]

Flipping 15k of coke has much better odds of coming out ahead than heading to Mexico for a seminar

:troll:
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[Manic!]

I'm pretty sure one is illegal. Guess which one.

Who cares if it's legal or not as long as you make money right? Remember just because it's legal does not make it ethical.

[Ronin]

Ethics don't mean the same thing to everyone. The law, for the most part, applies to everyone.

What John does is market himself very well and the product he sells is he teaches others how to market themselves well. Whether you agree with that or not, he isn't forcing anyone to give him money.

In a free market, he has the right to sell what he wants and he's made quite a good living.

Do you hate capitalism, or something?

The Simpsons - Go back to Russia - YouTube

[Razor Ramon HG]

I was talking about this with my friend the other day that's somewhat related. He's in law school.

Me: "Hey, so what happens if you end up defending someone you know is clearly wrong, and you happen to win the case? Wouldn't that be unethical?"

Him: "If I win, will it feed my kids? Will it send them to college? Will it allow me to buy a home for my parents?"

Me: "Yes, it does. But wouldn't you feel guilty?"

Him: "Why would it? As long as it benefits those I hold dear, then that's all that matters. Who's to say what is ethical and what isn't? I could care less."

[GS8]

The day I stopped worshipping money is the day I felt released from the burdens the world threw at me. There's my advice. That'll be $35,000.

But seriously, I have no issue with people who want to make money but some of these almost transparent companies selling ambiguous ideas and concepts is something I'll never understand. But then again, I've seen worse. Televangelism anyone?

[Manic!]

Ethics don't mean the same thing to everyone. The law, for the most part, applies to everyone.

What John does is market himself very well and the product he sells is he teaches others how to market themselves well. Whether you agree with that or not, he isn't forcing anyone to give him money.

In a free market, he has the right to sell what he wants and he's made quite a good living.

Do you hate capitalism, or something?

The Simpsons - Go back to Russia - YouTube (http://youtu.be/-UqQhSrCcBY?t=15s)

So you don't care how the money is made? Do you try to sell his products (I still don't know what they are) to friends and family?

You O.K. with this?

'Rich Dad' seminars deceptive: Marketplace - CBC News - Latest Canada, World, Entertainment and Business News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/rich-dad-seminars-deceptive-marketplace-1.877709)

[Ronin]

I believe everyone is responsible for their own money. If you make financially irresponsible decisions, that's on you, not 'Rich Dad'. It's everyone's own job to make sure they make informed decisions.

I agree with what Hard Gay said.

That being said, John doesn't tell you to buy condos or whatever. He's quite up front about the fact that he makes money by telling people how to make money.

I don't sell anyone's products to friends or family.

[NKC ONE]

I was talking about this with my friend the other day that's somewhat related. He's in law school.

Me: "Hey, so what happens if you end up defending someone you know is clearly wrong, and you happen to win the case? Wouldn't that be unethical?"

Him: "If I win, will it feed my kids? Will it send them to college? Will it allow me to buy a home for my parents?"

Me: "Yes, it does. But wouldn't you feel guilty?"

Him: "Why would it? As long as it benefits those I hold dear, then that's all that matters. Who's to say what is ethical and what isn't? I could care less."

and lawyers are the best examples of human decency we have on this earth. Talking ethics to a lawyer is like talking science to a Christian.

[NKC ONE]

I believe everyone is responsible for their own money. If you make financially irresponsible decisions, that's on you, not 'Rich Dad'. It's everyone's own job to make sure they make informed decisions.

I agree with what Hard Gay said.

That being said, John doesn't tell you to buy condos or whatever. He's quite up front about the fact that he makes money by telling people how to make money.

I don't sell anyone's products to friends or family.

Seeing how you are one of the "founders" or "partners" of this thing in the beginning, please enlighten us as to how your blogs or other related "businesses" are doing on your end? In your words, I would like to know exactly how this helped you and not just John Chow?

[Manic!]

I don't sell anyone's products to friends or family.

Why don't you want your family and friends making over $9000 a day?

[Ronin]

John and I are friends. I don't work for him nor are our business ventures the same. I provided him with a headshot for his book, I've written a few things for him here and there but I did not have anything to do with his blogging business.

By "founder", you must mean that SkinnyPupp, TTZ and I used to go to Golden Award in Richmond in the middle of the night and talk tech and business...which eventually became what is Dot Com Pho today.

My blog are much less focused than TTZ's and are in far less monetized markets. Food bloggers don't make much money. All my related websites make "fun" money. They pay for themselves and I make a bit off them. And I get to meet fun people, go to events and has allowed me numerous networking opportunities in Vancouver, especially in food, entertainment, media and hockey.

[Ronin]

Why don't you want your family and friends making over $9000 a day?

I could just give them the free copies John gives me when he wants someone with proper grammar to proofread his terrible English. Want an autographed copy of his book? Here's an extra one sitting on my bookshelf.

It's entirely possible for people to make money using the advice they receive from these courses. There are new John Chow's popping up all the time. John's just selling the steps he took. It's not like he guarantees you'll be a millionaire. You don't blame the textbooks if you got a C.

People are free to do what they want with their money. If they decide they want to buy John's life story, that's their decision.

There's no ethical dilemma for me here. If people didn't want it, they don't have to buy it. That's all there is to it.

[subordinate]

Are you and skinnypup millionaires? Curious.
If not, then why didn't you take the steps your friend John Chow did?

I mean, if I personally knew John Chow and saw his ascent to wealth, wouldn't one follow with a similar template? And reach comparative levels of $?
Who doesn't want to be rich? I love your food blog and all Ronin but why didn't you make a second, but similar blog such as John Chows'. Then create e-books/collect emails and profit?

In an essence, your food blog could have exponentially increased in content/value by having the extra wealth from a "John Chow Blog/MTTB" to travel around the globe or to visit high end restaurants. And money to bring in well know chef's to put their input, or whatever that case may be?

Honest questions.

[Manic!]

It's entirely possible for people to make money using the advice they receive from these courses.

It's also entirely possible to go to Vegas and when a million dollars too.

If it's not good enough to sell to your friends and family why is it good enough for anyone else?

You should be able to stand behind your product what ever it is. 7 pages later I still don't know what it is.

[subordinate]

It's also entirely possible to go to Vegas and when a million dollars too.

If it's not good enough to sell to your friends and family why is it good enough for anyone else?

You should be able to stand behind your product what ever it is. 7 pages later I still don't know what it is.

I thought the product was information. Information on what John Chow did, and you can try it out too and make millions.

I get what Ronin and Skinnypup say, you should see this as J.C made a niche for himself in that people love to get rich fast. So sell this information to people, showing them how easy it is to be rich.

As many other's have said, this falls in line with every other get rich scheme.

Primerica, cutco knives, timeshares, yadadadad

Ethical? Nah, just the exploitation of idiots.

And it amazes me, when I see people call me out of the blue, people who I knew and thought of intelligent individuals go, "Hey...I Have this amazing opportunity for you.............."

That's where I instantly face palm myself.

A sucker is born every minute. Now which aisle do I go to trade in my soul and ethics.

[SkinnyPupp]

Are you and skinnypup millionaires? Curious.
If not, then why didn't you take the steps your friend John Chow did?

I mean, if I personally knew John Chow and saw his ascent to wealth, wouldn't one follow with a similar template? And reach comparative levels of $?
Who doesn't want to be rich? I love your food blog and all Ronin but why didn't you make a second, but similar blog such as John Chows'. Then create e-books/collect emails and profit?

In an essence, your food blog could have exponentially increased in content/value by having the extra wealth from a "John Chow Blog/MTTB" to travel around the globe or to visit high end restaurants. And money to bring in well know chef's to put their input, or whatever that case may be?

Honest questions.
I'm not a millionaire, and I have no aspirations to be one. Money isn't important to me at all. I do wish I had managed it better in the past, but oh well.

I did follow John's steps, at least his early ones, back in 1999 or so.. He ran a tech website, and I had just gotten laid off from my first and only job. I was into PC gaming since I was 12 or 13, and video games since I was 4 or 5. I came across his site and I'm not sure how but I found out he was in Richmond.. He would have LAN parties at his office, and I saw what he did and though, hey I can do that. I borrowed some hardware from him (heatsinks I believe) and it started from there. I built a website using FrontPage, went to some PC stores to work out hardware loan deals (is ICI Computer still around btw? They were the first to work with me), and eventually was able to establish contacts at manufacturers.

14 years later, he moved on to other things, and I am still doing the same thing. Will it make me a millionaire? No. Do I like doing it? Hell yeah. And that's what matters the most to me.

John is REALLY good at building a niche group of followers that grows and grows. He did it with TTZ and did it again with johnchow.com. I don't know why, but even though both sites have completely different subjects, his type of reader is the same. Whatever it is about him, a certain type of person wants to hear what he has to say, and they are a large and generally a loyal and lucrative crowd. If you're not part of that crowd, fine. But to hate on it is just silly.

[RFlush]

John is REALLY good at building a niche group of followers that grows and grows. He did it with TTZ and did it again with johnchow.com. I don't know why, but even though both sites have completely different subjects, his type of reader is the same. Whatever it is about him, a certain type of person wants to hear what he has to say, and they are a large and generally a loyal and lucrative crowd. If you're not part of that crowd, fine. But to hate on it is just silly.

How is this different compared to religious groups, something that you usually hate on?

[Ronin]

Are you and skinnypup millionaires? Curious.
If not, then why didn't you take the steps your friend John Chow did?

I mean, if I personally knew John Chow and saw his ascent to wealth, wouldn't one follow with a similar template? And reach comparative levels of $?
Who doesn't want to be rich? I love your food blog and all Ronin but why didn't you make a second, but similar blog such as John Chows'. Then create e-books/collect emails and profit?

In an essence, your food blog could have exponentially increased in content/value by having the extra wealth from a "John Chow Blog/MTTB" to travel around the globe or to visit high end restaurants. And money to bring in well know chef's to put their input, or whatever that case may be?

Honest questions.

I'm not super rich, no.

It takes time, commitment, and either technical knowhow to get things done yourself or the money to invest initially. In addition, it probably requires that you're an outgoing personality with decent public speaking skills.

I've made plenty of websites but I'm more of a writer than a tech guru. I have plans but don't want to put in the money to get people to create what I want right now. It's also because what you propose is near impossible. If you want to make money on the internet, it isn't with food blogging. None of my main interests directly translate very well into the internet marketing world.

I'm also just a procrastinator. However, John encouraged me to start a blog about 7 years ago and with, really, very little effort and just writing what I felt like writing, I made enough money to pay for a car and a good deal of camera equipment. All the money I make online pretty much goes to fun things.

I do alright. I've amassed enough of an audience and social media presence that has allowed me quite a few opportunities that I don't think I would've had otherwise.

[SkinnyPupp]

How is this different compared to religious groups, something that you usually hate on?
Who said I hate religious groups?

Do you mean that I am critical of some aspects of some forms of religion? Is that considered hate?

Or do you mean Scientology? Are they not a group that should be scorned?

You'll have to elaborate..

[RFlush]

Who said I hate religious groups?

Do you mean that I am critical of some aspects of some forms of religion? Is that considered hate?

Or do you mean Scientology? Are they not a group that should be scorned?

You'll have to elaborate..

Are the people in this thread who are questioning the ethical and morality of what John Chow is selling, just being critical as well? People here seem to be critical of what he is actually selling, how is he earning his money, and how is trying to pray on others.

Isn't this similar to religious groups? And someone like you is quite vocal at being critical towards religious groups can certainly understand why people are critical of John Chow.

[SkinnyPupp]

Are the people in this thread who are questioning the ethical and morality of what John Chow is selling, just being critical as well? People here seem to be critical of what he is actually selling, how is he earning his money, and how is trying to pray on others.

Isn't this similar to religious groups? And someone like you is quite vocal at being critical towards religious groups can certainly understand why people are critical of John Chow.
Some are being critical, and that's great. I am all for it.

Others are being cunts.. I just quickly glanced through the thread, and saw shit like

"The sooner you get the fuck off RS, the better. "

"not a fucking affiliate site for John Chowder."

"John Chow is a mainstream hustler, digital snake oil dealer"

"it's even scummier than porn or drugs"

"this fool couldn't sell water in the desert"

That is not being critical or skeptical. That is being a complete asshole. I get that they don't like the product. But this is the pure hate I was referring to. If you ever see me posting stuff like that about religious groups (or anything else other than people being stupid) then I deserve whatever shit you want to throw my way.

Like I said there are 1 or 2 people who are being good about being critical about John's products, and that's fine. I never said anything bad to those guys, and I am not arguing with them at all. That's for John to address.

[Ronin]

If it's not good enough to sell to your friends and family why is it good enough for anyone else?

How is that even a question? Don't you consider your loved ones with a higher standard than you would strangers?

I have John's books and I know him in real life so I can tell you that what he has in his materials is the actual way he makes money. He doesn't say it'll make everyone rich...but it is how he got rich and the right combination of commitment and personality could do it for someone else too. It doesn't work for everyone but not everything does.

It's not unethical. It's free market capitalism. People can think for themselves and everyone is responsible for their own decisions.

[Ronin]

I think a good deal of people here just don't understand any of this and to be honest, I don't blame you. I wouldn't get it either if I wasn't so close to it or have John explain exactly what's going on so many times.

I haven't looked at this MTTB site but I do know how John makes his money and never thought there was anything wrong with it. Will his methods work for you? Maybe not...but they do work for him and that's what he sells. I don't even do it properly and I was profitable before REVscene. :lol

And that's all I'll say about that. You can throw whatever other hypotheticals you want but everyone's money is their own responsibility.

[Manic!]

I'm not super rich, no.

It takes time, commitment, and either technical knowhow to get things done yourself or the money to invest initially. In addition, it probably requires that you're an outgoing personality with decent public speaking skills.

I've made plenty of websites but I'm more of a writer than a tech guru. I have plans but don't want to put in the money to get people to create what I want right now. It's also because what you propose is near impossible. If you want to make money on the internet, it isn't with food blogging. None of my main interests directly translate very well into the internet marketing world.

I'm also just a procrastinator. However, John encouraged me to start a blog about 7 years ago and with, really, very little effort and just writing what I felt like writing, I made enough money to pay for a car and a good deal of camera equipment. All the money I make online pretty much goes to fun things.

I do alright. I've amassed enough of an audience and social media presence that has allowed me quite a few opportunities that I don't think I would've had otherwise.

So do you think it's a good idea to spend 60k on his products?

[Zoidberg]

http://i40.tinypic.com/uadu9.png

[Ronin]

So do you think it's a good idea to spend 60k on his products?

I don't remember anything here that costs $60k but it would be financially irresponsible for anyone to spend money they can't afford to. If you're buying a course for $60k and that empties your bank account, then that's not a good idea, is it?

I don't think it's much different than the folks that pay $60k for a fine arts degree from a fancy school. Sure, you could be a millionaire art gallery owner or whatever but you could also end up at Starbucks, whining about your student loans.

A lot of the information is available completely free from his blog as well and people still buy it in book form. People make their own call to buy it.

...spoken as someone that just bought Zack Arias' book, which is just a collection of entries from his Tumblr page...

[Manic!]

I don't remember anything here that costs $60k
.



One of my JV partners spent over $60K attending seminars last year.
:)
.....

[Ronin]

Either way. How other people spend their money is of no concern to me, just like I don't care what party you vote for or what god you pray to.

[Manic!]

Either way. How other people spend their money is of no concern to me, just like I don't care what party you vote for or what god you pray to.

How about when the the guy goes broke and tells his story to CBC how John Chow scammed him out of all his money?

[Xu.Vi]

Many of those graduates chose otherwise, which is completely correct in your statement. But its how these graduates demonstrated the ability to at least be capable of doing somethig along their area (if chosen to). By the looks of John Chow's University webpage, it seems as if its catered to anyone , without needing to demonstrating any mental capability...I mean, really? Don't get me wrong, I'm certain this is one of the major reasons why the masses generally looknegatively towards these business styles, as most of them took "make $9, 000 in a month by sitting around essentially" too literally (on top of a bunch of speeches) and just ended up bitter due to their failure. But I guess this ties with what you said about how people make their own choices with their money and how the strangers' background is less considered when making money.
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[Ronin]

I'd ask them where the scam is. They paid money for information and got it. Whether it works for them is up to them and the universe, as with all opportunities in life. The information worked for John so they didn't pay for false information. It just didn't work out for them.

[Manic!]

I'd ask them where the scam is. They paid money for information and got it. Whether it works for them is up to them and the universe, as with all opportunities in life. The information worked for John so they didn't pay for false information. It just didn't work out for them.

The scam is telling people they can make 10k a day. He is selling a false dream.

One of my JV partners spent over $60K attending seminars last year. You may think that's just a big waste of money, but he'll tell you that the contacts and information he got at those events is what allows him to make up to $10K a day.


Get back to me when the guy is making 10K a day.

[Xu.Vi]

Which is why education teaches GENERALIZED concepts in which works for majority of the people, while ideas that work off the generalized concepts are specific for each individual. Yes, I'm aware John Chow's method is successful. So is Bill Gates'...if it were that easy, Bill Gates wouldn't be Bill Gates nor will John Chow be John Chow. What I'm getting at is a lot of people in society don't come to that understanding and just take the overly emphasized advetisements way too liteteral. So I'd like to say this style of business is somewhat misleading in the claims of how easy it is to ACTUALLY achieve what John Chow himself achieves (you could call this good marketing I guess. Lol.).
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[Manic!]

Which is why education teaches GENERALIZED concepts in which works for majority of the people, while ideas that work off the generalized concepts are specific for each individual. Yes, I'm aware John Chow's method is successful. So is Bill Gates'...if it were that easy, Bill Gates wouldn't be Bill Gates nor will John Chow be John Chow. What I'm getting at is a lot of people in society don't come to that understanding and just take the overly emphasized advetisements way too liteteral. So I'd like to say this style of business is somewhat misleading in the claims of how easy it is to ACTUALLY achieve what John Chow himself achieves (you could call this good marketing I guess. Lol.).
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So you are saying I have to work more than 4 hours a week?

[Xu.Vi]

So you are saying I have to work more than 4 hours a week?
Yes...
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[TTZ]

Mods, please delete this. Not sure why it posted twice. My reply is below.

[TTZ]

Since Manic still doesn't seem to know what I do or what my products are, I'll use this post to try to explain it.

There is my blog (http://www.johnchow.com). This is free for everyone to read. It offers advice on blogging, social media, Internet marketing, and other things related to making money online. It also offers my ramblings on whatever is on my mind, as well as where I went for dinner. The blog makes its money via advertising, much the same way RS does. It also generate income by recommending other products and it receives a commission if a sale occurs.

Most people who read the blog are interested in blogging and how to make money from blogging. Many want to start a blog but don't know how to. This where my free WordPress installation service (http://www.johnchow.com/freewordpress) comes in. The customer signs up for a web hosting account at my web host (HostGator in this case) and I will install WordPress for them for free. They also get 25% off the hosting because they purchased it from me.

The end result is a win win win. The customer is happy because he has a new blog installed for free and got a 25% savings. HostGator is happy because they got a new customer. I'm happy because I get $150 for pushing a button that reads "Install WordPress". The $150 is the affiliate commission HostGator pays me for referring a new customer. The normal commission is $50 per sale, but because of my volume (I do 3 to 5 a day), I was able to get a higher rate.

While the blog is free, I do offer my training products for purchase. Examples of these include Blogging with John Chow (http://bloggingwithjohnchow.com) and IM John Chow (http://imjohnchow.com). These are information products (eBooks, videos and membership sites). Now you could say you can get all my online money-making information on my blog for free, and that is true. But you'll have to read through 5,000+ blog posts to find the ones specific to your needs. Or you can pay me $47 and I'll present it to you in a nice organized package. Many people see value in that, and they're wiling to pay for it. Time is money after all, and saving time to read through 7 years of blog posts is worth money to many people.

MTTB (http://jclink.me/mttb-rs) is my newest venture. My products are created based on the needs of my readers. They want to make money online, but they lack the knowledge or resources to do it. I try to create ways to make it easier for them (installing WordPress for free as an example). MTTB is a "business in a box". Many people would like to have an Internet business, but don't have the time or experience to create the products, marketing materials or traffic. MTTB provides all that.

Why I do all this should be obvious by now. Just like I make a commission when a readers signs up for a new blog from HostGator, I make a commission whenever a MTTB licensee makes a sale. Unlike HostGator, my MTTB commission is for life. As long as the licensee keeps making money, I keep making money, so my job is to help them make more money because the money I make is tied to their success. And that right there is the secret to success on the Internet. The most people you help succeed, the more successful you become.

Haters can keep on hating, but there's a reason my blog has a 250K daily readership. I deliver value to my readers/customers, and that's all that matters.

[Gridlock]

Dude, I can so respect that.

THAT is a quality answer to a simple question. None of this, "but wait! there's more" bullshit. Or, "sign up for spam for kind of answers"

That's all people wanted man. I gain more out of that answer rather than, "I fly private and drive a this that and the other. Last week I fucked a porn satr, for free, just cause"

You know, the showy douchey stuff.

[Manic!]

So in conclusion: John Chow helps people start, market and monetize blogs.

[SpeedStars]

going to chime in on this. The MTTB is John Chow's new product. It can't really be a scam since it's basically a guideline on how to run your own internet business and *guarantee's* a $1000 profit within 30 days. Important thing to remember is that it is GUARANTEED $1000 profit or you will get $500. There isn't a scam if the members who purchase the product and receive $500. If the $1000 profit within 30 days is not met and $500 is not received that IS the scam (and no i'm not saying it IS a scam, but if it were, that would how it would be). With the live meetings, they're seminars. There's large companies who pay people to do workshops for them so that they can better understand how to affluently run their business. For example, the FISH! marketing philosophy example has it's speakers make big bucks by speaking to people.

[Acura604]

...time for me to chime in on this and the above posting... since I sorta started this thread lol.


OK.. Speedstar:
NOTE: in order to qualify for that $500, you MUST have tried all steps of the program. I believe step 7 is to purchase a $2000 license to continue. So where does that leave you? do you continue after making that 2k investment or eat your losses and say goodbye to $1500?

...and John, correct me if I am wrong on the above.

Secondly, is John moving away from the blogging concept and entering this sort of scheme where the 'audience' get so hyped up about making oodles of money but its not guaranteed.

however, like Ronin pointed out above.. 'hey it's not my money... who really cares?'.

I just don't agree with the concept and that is all.

[Ikkaku]

I think you're missing the point.

The hype is built because from what the audience can see -- John is doing very well for himself. Sure, he may flash his riches every now and then, but in reality he is selling what he does and how he does it.

You may use his method, but there are many external factors that may lead to a lack of success. John found a way that works for him. He is only explaining what works for him.

Sure, the cost may be a bit on the high side, but if the audience deems it worthy, that is all that matters, is it not?

In a sense, he has found an internet way of interpreting 'I help you, and you help me'.

You can mirror what he does, but the difference is that he has an existing audience base (from years of work), which puts him far ahead of you. The hardest part is most likely building up the number of audience.

Just look at those YouTube'rs that end up making a little bit of money. It's all in the partnerships and the number of subscribers.

[Manic!]

Now the question is: Is he really rich?

I still think he should take my gas station running course.

[Gridlock]

Ok..so here's a question.

Is the My Top Tier Business a business that people can join that allows them to sell the My Top Tier Business?

And I think we can all respect that a "guarantee" like that is what we think it is.."yes, we ask you to pay $2000, but we're willing to give you back $500 if it doesn't work out for you"

THAT doesn't look pretty, so we call it a partial money back guarantee. But my question in bold, I think would clear a lot of this up.

[TTZ]

...time for me to chime in on this and the above posting... since I sorta started this thread lol.


OK.. Speedstar:
NOTE: in order to qualify for that $500, you MUST have tried all steps of the program. I believe step 7 is to purchase a $2000 license to continue. So where does that leave you? do you continue after making that 2k investment or eat your losses and say goodbye to $1500?

...and John, correct me if I am wrong on the above.

Secondly, is John moving away from the blogging concept and entering this sort of scheme where the 'audience' get so hyped up about making oodles of money but its not guaranteed.

however, like Ronin pointed out above.. 'hey it's not my money... who really cares?'.

I just don't agree with the concept and that is all.

The 21-step MTTB course is free. We charge a $49 application as a gate keeper to find the serious people. The course explain how the system works, the concept and methods involved. They are assigned a personal coach to work with them and answer questions.

If the person like what he learns and decide this is something he wants to do, he'll be offer an opportunity to purchase a license for the system at Step 6. The license allows him to sell the 3 dozen plus products in the catalog, get access to the marketing material, additional training, etc. The cost of a license is $1,997. If the person gets this license and continues with the step and he fails to make $1,000 by the 30 day period, then he would get $500 cash. He still keeps the license and can still continue to make money with the system.

If he decides not to get a license, he has two choices. He can say "no, thanks" and his application fee will be refunded, or he can continue the training without getting a license but he will give up the $500 guarantee. At the end of the 21 steps, he can decide whether to buy a license, or refund the application fee.

[El Bastardo]

So yeah, he can wave goodbye to $1500

[Ronin]

He's rich in that he lives in the OC and doesn't have to actually "work" and can spend all that time with his family or having fun.

He's not rich in that he still gets me to pick his ass up from the airport every time he comes back to Vancouver instead of renting a limo!

[RDot604]

Lol...John Chow is pretty legit. He wouldnt just go into something or promote something if it was garbage. The problem is people relate Pyramid scheme to being a bad thing. Sometimes its a scam and sometimes it isnt. You have to do your research and check out reviews. This isnt some get rich quick thing. You actually have to work at it after learning the 21 steps. It goes like this:

-Pay $49 "filter" fee to get access to the 21 steps. These 21 steps will teach you how to promote and advertise products.As well as building a list, how the system works, wtc. At the same time, giving you a business mindset. (you can get your money back if you are not satisfied)

-After you finish the 21 steps, You can do your own thing and work your internet marketing magic with what you've learned or you can pay the $1997 and have your own sales phone team, one on one coach and access to numerous software that help you advance in the field. The idea is to build a list. This company because they do a lot of the dirty work for you as in closing the sales for you and giving you a coach with whom you can contact with any questions or concerns.

Thats what Ive been doing now for about a month and half. I got a blog going because I am committed to it and want to build my list. Thats how it works. MTTB just makes it easier for you. In no way is it shady or a scam. $49 is like a learning tool and the $1997 is basically a license to gain access to the software and tools.

[Hondaracer]

IMO no one that needs help setting up a word press blog is going to do much with it.

I have no problem with the structure of this whole thing persay, and I'm also of the mind of good on people for doing their thing and making the cake

What I have somewhat of an issue with is that this whole thing is promoted as if it worked for me, it can work for you! type deal, I guess if your into it enough that your willing to dish out the money to do so nothing is stopping those people from handing over their $46 or whatever but to think anymore than a single digit percentage ever get anywhere with this is would be misconceived IMO, and that's where the pyramid scheme perception comes from seemingly
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[noclue]

For all the young innocent RSers or RSers desperate for money.

Not exactly what this MTTB is but similar. Found this good explanation on reddit.

In a situation like this, math is your friend. So just do the math:
Say to make a minimum commitment to the program, and to advance to the second tier of this chain of fools, you'd have to sign up at least 12 friends and family for the company's services (they're technically a telecom reseller), who'd also have to sign up at least 12 more friends each to get you to the third level, who'd have to each sign up twelve more, and so on.

So in order for you to get just six levels up the chain - which is pretty minimal, as some MLMs contain a dozen or more tiers - your personal pyramid of sellers and subsellers would have to sign up a total of 126 , or 2,985,984 households, without duplication. Which means that, on behalf of just one of many, many competing telecom resellers, like Comwave - who are, let's face it, all fighting for just the few crumbs of market share actually left on the table by the Big Three - just you and your personal pyramid would have to sign up roughly 95% of all households in both BC and Alberta (3,165,000) ... Again, all in order for just you, and nobody else, to make it to Level 6, and to start making "the big bucks" the seminar holders undoubtedly pitched to you.

But wait! Now, given there were about 800 people just at this one seminar you attended, let's say a mere one-tenth of them actually sign on - by MLM standards, a dismal hook rate. Now there are 79 other people forming their own pyramids, all of which are now competing with you for signups! And for all 80 of you to get to the top of your individual 6-level pyramids, you would have to - again without duplication - sign up more than 240 million households, or roughly twice the number of households than there are in the US and Canada, combined.

And remember, that's if just one in ten attendees of one seminar sign up - again, by MLM standards, an abject recruitment failure, one that didn't even justify renting the room. And again, we're just arbitrarily saying that Level Six is the top tier; there could be many more, each adding another exponent of 12 to the total number of signups required for you to reach the top level.

Disappointing, right? Just you wait: now multiply those 80 Vancouver recruits by ten, because the company's actually holding seminars in each of the ten largest cities in the nation, from Toronto (pop 2.6M) to Hamilton (pop 520K). Now you get a total of 2.4 billion households that need to be signed up by 800 pyramids, again without duplication, to a single telecom reseller. Assuming a worldwide average of 3 people per household, that's more households than there are on the entire surface of the globe.

But let's say the seminars do better than that: let's assume that instead of a dismal 10% signup rate, the seminars hook 25% of attendees, and that there are 20 seminars in total, including pretty decent recruiting pools like Surrey, Regina and Halifax. That means not just 800 pyramids are fighting to sign up all the world's 2.4 billion households, but 20,000 separate pyramids, all fighting with each other to sign people up. Well, you get the picture, I'm sure.

So while your friend's friend may be making money because (a) he got in early enough, and because (b) his pyramid, although still only one or two tiers high, has a very broad base, it's pretty much a given that today, you won't be able to duplicate his success. So relax and don't waste any more of your time. More importantly, don't give them a fucking dime, because they're scam artists who are preying mercilessly on their recruits. The entire scheme will undoubtedly collapse under its own weight very soon, as their recruits eventually realized they're paying tons of money for "training" materials and seminars, with no offsetting income to show for it.

Red flags:
They are not to the point. A good business takes 30 seconds tops to explain. MLMs will dilly dally for an hour or so.
They have rehearsed speech about why it isn't a pyramid scheme

The words/phrases "opportunity," "own business," "network marketing" are thrown around.

You have to spend more than $0.00 to get started.

For your consideration.

[SkinnyPupp]

^ appropriate username

[TTZ]

So yeah, he can wave goodbye to $1500

Actually, no. The license is refundable. He wouldn't be out any money.

[RDot604]

Would it not be like Realtor? You gotta pay to take a program/course to get your license. You have to build your client base from scratch. The first year is always the hardest, but you gotta put in the work to see results like anything. I dont believe they are making false claims.

[Manic!]

He's rich in that he lives in the OC and doesn't have to actually "work" and can spend all that time with his family or having fun.

He's not rich in that he still gets me to pick his ass up from the airport every time he comes back to Vancouver instead of renting a limo!

But he does work.

$49 to access 21 steps then sell the on ebay for 1/2 price? :considered:


like the reverse trunk plans people use to sell.

[Gridlock]

Hi! Long-time listener, first time caller.

I was wondering if you could answer my question? Just needs one word.

Thanks a bunch! Love the show.



Is the My Top Tier Business a business that people can join that allows them to sell the My Top Tier Business?

[El Bastardo]

Actually, no. The license is refundable. He wouldn't be out any money.


So wait, you corrected me with a direct answer to the question (I'll own being wrong, btw. I'll admit I was confused) but couldn't do so without further promoting your business? Why couldn't you do that to the original question?

I suggest that you contact info@blitzgear.com. You have provided enough links and enough explanation to get people "interested" in what you are doing here. Loads of sizzle, very little steak, all of that.
I'm sure that you've gained at least one or two downlines from this thread and I think it needs to end now.
With the money you're raking in, signing an advertising contract with Blitzgear to shill here on Revscene is probably pocket change for you.

[TTZ]

For all the young innocent RSers or RSers desperate for money.

Not exactly what this MTTB is but similar. Found this good explanation on reddit.

In a situation like this, math is your friend. So just do the math:
Say to make a minimum commitment to the program, and to advance to the second tier of this chain of fools, you'd have to sign up at least 12 friends and family for the company's services (they're technically a telecom reseller), who'd also have to sign up at least 12 more friends each to get you to the third level, who'd have to each sign up twelve more, and so on.

So in order for you to get just six levels up the chain - which is pretty minimal, as some MLMs contain a dozen or more tiers - your personal pyramid of sellers and subsellers would have to sign up a total of 126 , or 2,985,984 households, without duplication. Which means that, on behalf of just one of many, many competing telecom resellers, like Comwave - who are, let's face it, all fighting for just the few crumbs of market share actually left on the table by the Big Three - just you and your personal pyramid would have to sign up roughly 95% of all households in both BC and Alberta (3,165,000) ... Again, all in order for just you, and nobody else, to make it to Level 6, and to start making "the big bucks" the seminar holders undoubtedly pitched to you.

But wait! Now, given there were about 800 people just at this one seminar you attended, let's say a mere one-tenth of them actually sign on - by MLM standards, a dismal hook rate. Now there are 79 other people forming their own pyramids, all of which are now competing with you for signups! And for all 80 of you to get to the top of your individual 6-level pyramids, you would have to - again without duplication - sign up more than 240 million households, or roughly twice the number of households than there are in the US and Canada, combined.

And remember, that's if just one in ten attendees of one seminar sign up - again, by MLM standards, an abject recruitment failure, one that didn't even justify renting the room. And again, we're just arbitrarily saying that Level Six is the top tier; there could be many more, each adding another exponent of 12 to the total number of signups required for you to reach the top level.

Disappointing, right? Just you wait: now multiply those 80 Vancouver recruits by ten, because the company's actually holding seminars in each of the ten largest cities in the nation, from Toronto (pop 2.6M) to Hamilton (pop 520K). Now you get a total of 2.4 billion households that need to be signed up by 800 pyramids, again without duplication, to a single telecom reseller. Assuming a worldwide average of 3 people per household, that's more households than there are on the entire surface of the globe.

But let's say the seminars do better than that: let's assume that instead of a dismal 10% signup rate, the seminars hook 25% of attendees, and that there are 20 seminars in total, including pretty decent recruiting pools like Surrey, Regina and Halifax. That means not just 800 pyramids are fighting to sign up all the world's 2.4 billion households, but 20,000 separate pyramids, all fighting with each other to sign people up. Well, you get the picture, I'm sure.

So while your friend's friend may be making money because (a) he got in early enough, and because (b) his pyramid, although still only one or two tiers high, has a very broad base, it's pretty much a given that today, you won't be able to duplicate his success. So relax and don't waste any more of your time. More importantly, don't give them a fucking dime, because they're scam artists who are preying mercilessly on their recruits. The entire scheme will undoubtedly collapse under its own weight very soon, as their recruits eventually realized they're paying tons of money for "training" materials and seminars, with no offsetting income to show for it.

Red flags:
They are not to the point. A good business takes 30 seconds tops to explain. MLMs will dilly dally for an hour or so.
They have rehearsed speech about why it isn't a pyramid scheme

The words/phrases "opportunity," "own business," "network marketing" are thrown around.

You have to spend more than $0.00 to get started.

For your consideration.

Your username is very appropriate. MTTB is not a MLM. But thanks for the math lesson.

BTW - the US gov tried to use your math in their case against Amway. The gov lost. But I'm not going to tell you why the math is flawed because of the appropriateness of your username.

[SkinnyPupp]

So wait, you corrected me with a direct answer to the question (I'll own being wrong, btw. I'll admit I was confused) but couldn't do so without further promoting your business? Why couldn't you do that to the original question?

Really? Because this is what he said:

Actually, no. The license is refundable. He wouldn't be out any money.

John is answering every question thrown his way.. if people don't want to know more, they just need to stop asking. The thread will eventually move down to the bottom, then page 2.

The haters keep bumping it too, so you can blame them too

[El Bastardo]

Really? Because this is what he said:



John is answering every question thrown his way.. if people don't want to know more, they just need to stop asking. The thread will eventually move down to the bottom, then page 2.

The haters keep bumping it too, so you can blame them too



I meant to say "answer the question to the guy who originally asked it"


Listen, like I said before; I get that you're part of this whole... kind.. of lifestyle or something. But this thread has crossed a line and it is pretty obvious it has become a promotional tool for his business. Unless he is willing to throw a couple of dollars to the Revscene coffers for all of the traffic he is receiving thanks to this thread, this should not continue.

[TTZ]

Hi! Long-time listener, first time caller.

I was wondering if you could answer my question? Just needs one word.

Thanks a bunch! Love the show.

The license allows them to sell all the products, including the license itself. If a licensee refers a new licensee, he will get a head hunting fee plus 5% royalties on the new licensee's business for life. Refer enough licensees and you can make a decent passive income.

I've been doing this type of affiliate marketing for years. For example. My email list provider, Aweber, gives me 30% of the bill on any customer I refer to them. Over the years, I've referred 1000's of people to Aweber and I make 30% every month. The biggest account I referred, the guy's list has gotten so big that his bill is over $3,000 a month, and I make 30% of that. To this very day, I don't know who that guy is.

[SkinnyPupp]

Listen, like I said before; I get that you're part of this whole... kind.. of lifestyle or something.
I'm not at all actually

Unless he is willing to throw a couple of dollars to the Revscene coffers for all of the traffic he is receiving thanks to this thread, this should not continue.

Revscene benefits from a busy thread too, even if others benefit from it as well. We can't chase away every company with "whenever someone brings up your company, you gotta pay us to talk about it". and "we can only discuss sponsors unless it's in a negative light". People need to be able to discuss what they want, even if it's a topic the admins don't personally like. As long as it's not outright spam, it should be allowed. People keep asking about the business, because obviously there is a lot of misinformation out there (people calling it a pyramid or MLM). He keeps answering.. when people lose interest, there will be nothing for him to answer. Revscene benefits in that people keep coming back to check the thread (which is quickly approaching 8000 views).

But that should be a discussion for a meeting with the admins. Because if we have a policy of shutting down busy threads because we don't like the message, it needs to be discussed further.

[RDot604]

Lol...This is just entertainment for most of us.

[meme405]

This is a pyramid scheme...

You can call it blogging and selling advertising for blogs and a hundred other things, but the main business I see in this thread is the goal to sign more people up onto your system. Then to eventually get those people to sign other people up.

"Building a list...", lol wtf is that?

/thread

[Zoidberg]

^ You know it's a good thread when RDot64 posts in this after 4 years of not posting :fullofwin:

[meme405]

The license allows them to sell all the products, including the license itself. If a licensee refers a new licensee, he will get a head hunting fee plus 5% royalties on the new licensee's business for life. Refer enough licensees and you can make a decent passive income.

I've been doing this type of affiliate marketing for years. For example. My email list provider, Aweber, gives me 30% of the bill on any customer I refer to them. Over the years, I've referred 1000's of people to Aweber and I make 30% every month. The biggest account I referred, the guy's list has gotten so big that his bill is over $3,000 a month, and I make 30% of that. To this very day, I don't know who that guy is.

As said above, what is the other products besides the book, and the system?

This link sums MTTB in my eyes perfectly:

http://covblog.com/scams-my-top-tier-business/

[RFlush]

Can skinnypupp or John chow please help explain to be how this MTTB is different than Lyoness or are they essentially the same?

I see John used Amway as an example, is his product similar to Amway as well?
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[Grim]

where can i sign up and be a millionaire?
Cause last time i checked, all the people i know from these bullshit schemes are still driving shit boxes, selling junk, praising their lord and promising THEMSELVES that they will be rich.

where as me, i just work my normal job, do my normal things and somehow... 3-5years later, I seem to have more then the rest of the idiots out there.

[TTZ]

So wait, you corrected me with a direct answer to the question (I'll own being wrong, btw. I'll admit I was confused) but couldn't do so without further promoting your business? Why couldn't you do that to the original question?

The reason is because in practice that never happens. If someone is making money with the MTTB license, even if it's less than the $1,000 in 30 days, he won't refund it because it's proof that the system works.

Let's say you follow all the steps and only made $250 in 30 days. You'll get $500 which brings you to $750. Are you going to quit and ask for a refund? If so, then you will be the first. Everyone else will keep going because even if they stay at $250 a month, they'll be in the black in a few months. Compare that to the average business that takes years just to break even.

[radioman]

:lol

Driving with John Chow - Episode 27 How To Make Money Off Haters - YouTube

[TTZ]

As said above, what is the other products besides the book, and the system?

Here are four products licensees can promote. I could post all of them if you want but I think the mods might object to that.

My Email Marketing Empire (http://www.myonlinebusinessempire.com/go/jchow/4e10f90e)

The OTP Formula (http://www.myonlinebusinessempire.com/go/jchow/5a5330c7)

The Internet Revolution Handbook (http://www.myonlinebusinessempire.com/go/jchow/0710b43b)

Instant Info Product (http://www.myonlinebusinessempire.com/go/jchow/ac42758f)

Licensees make 90% commission on these products and 50% on any backend products the customer purchases.

You don't really need a buy license to promote MTTB. We have a regular affiliate program that's free to join. The commission for affiliates is 50% on the front end product but zero on the back. We do have people who start off as affiliates and work their way up to licensees.

[Zoidberg]

:lawl:

[RFlush]

So I guess without answering my question, that MTTB is the same as Lyoness and Amway in regards to business model structure?
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[TTZ]

So I guess without answering my question, that MTTB is the same as Lyoness and Amway in regards to business model structure?
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No, MTTB is not a MLM. It's an affiliate program, like the affiliate program you'll find on Amazon, Google, eBay, etc. It does offer a 5% royalty if you refer a new licensee but it doesn't go down any levels.

A MLM brings with it a whole different set of legal headaches to deal with. We stuck with the affiliate model because it's just a lot easier to set up.

[TTZ]

:lol

Driving with John Chow - Episode 27 How To Make Money Off Haters - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgYeM0B6GN4&feature=player_embedded)

Oh man! You beat me to posting that! I was going to save it to use as a reply to a hater. :devil:

[radioman]

Hey Mr Chow.
Not trying to be a hater but I must say I couldn't imagine listening to you speak for a long period. You seem pretty bland/dry and flat. Just one mans opinions but obviously if you host seminars/events you must have great material to compensate.

[RFlush]

No, MTTB is not a MLM. It's an affiliate program, like the affiliate program you'll find on Amazon, Google, eBay, etc. It does offer a 5% royalty if you refer a new licensee but it doesn't go down any levels.

A MLM brings with it a whole different set of legal headaches to deal with. We stuck with the affiliate model because it's just a lot easier to set up.

Funny you accuse Lyoness to be a MLM because Lyoness claims they are not a MLM. They actually operate like your business model with affiliates. So what makes their system a MLM and not yours?

[TTZ]

Funny you accuse Lyoness to be a MLM because Lyoness claims they are not a MLM. They actually operate like your business model with affiliates. So what makes their system a MLM and not yours?

I don't know what Lyoness is but you mention them along with Amway so I assumed it was a MLM. My mistake.

[Lomac]

Oh man! You beat me to posting that! I was going to save it to use as a reply to a hater. :devil:

Any publicity is good publicity, basically. RS tends to go through similar waves every once in a while, typically involving one or another of the local domestic muscle car forums. :lol

[meme405]

Meh, if anyone was stupid enough to give you money after reading this thread they deserve to get taken for a ride...

You're right we are hating on you and the truth is its because some of us don't like others praying on the stupid and weak minded, this is a very small percentage of the people posting. The vast majority of the people posting here are just jealous that they aren't making the same money sitting on their asses like you.

I personally mid thread have switched to not giving a fuck, initially I cared about the retards and dumbasses who were losing their money to you, but now I realize that w/e, the only thing I can do is make sure to tell those around myself and those I care about to not fall for this non-sense.

I look forward to the day this pyramid scheme falls apart and there comes some sort of huge litigation. For the record some MLM's can be legal, and some are illegal. This may very well be legal but none of them are ethical because these plans don't involve a product, you don't get anything for your money, besides the promise of maybe making more money in the future (and before you compare this to going to university, fuck off); therefore they are not ethical because everyone who gets in, especially those who start and organize it, recognize that all the people who are left at the bottom when this shit becomes un-sustainable are going to be out a bunch of money...

[Energy]

He says that we are so predictable, easy to manipulate, and will keep the thread going. Maybe a mod can lock this thread and let it die? Prove him wrong.

[SkinnyPupp]

He says that we are so predictable, easy to manipulate, and will keep the thread going. Maybe a mod can lock this thread and let it die? Prove him wrong.
How would that prove him wrong? :seriously:

Leaving it open and letting it die by itself in a day would prove something.

[TTZ]

You're right we are hating on you and the truth is its because some of us don't like others praying on the stupid and weak minded.

The vast majority of the people posting here are just jealous that they aren't making the same money sitting on their asses like you.

I cared about the retards and dumbasses who were losing their money to you.

What a nice way to refer to your fellow RS members. Calling them retards, dumb asses, stupid and weak minded.

I don't think of them like that at all. As I explained my video. They have their own brain and can come to their own conclusion, which has been helped a lot by you. So thank you. :)

[meme405]

What a nice way to refer to your fellow RS members. Calling them retards, dumb asses, stupid and weak minded.

I don't think of them like that at all. As I explained my video. They have their own brain and can come to their own conclusion, which has been helped a lot by you. So thank you. :)

If they give you a penny, they are retarded and feeble minded.

[parm104]

This is still happening? I think everyone in this thread has officially "lost." lol

Oh TTZ, how you gonna make a video and not give a shout-out. Unbelievable...thanks for NOTHING!

[Ikkaku]

Oh, and one thing to note.

It's preying, not praying.

[Manic!]

So John you like taking money from old people? Is she one of your bitches?

maderline - YouTube

[SkinnyPupp]

So John you like taking money from old people? Is she one of your bitches?

maderline - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5w-qb2JuVw)
Is there a point you're trying to make?

[Manic!]

Is there a point you're trying to make?

Ya do you really think she is going to make money doing on-line marketing? She already claims to have tried other e books and on-line courses. How would you feel if that was your Grandma in the video? Would you be happy?

[StylinRed]

ouch i guess this thread really got to him and got him worried that his saps would be second guessing themselves so he had to make a video pretending to go :fuckthatshit:

I'm assuming he's your hero and good friend
http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/97/80/98/19/89/9780981989723_500X500.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Ya do you really think she is going to make money doing on-line marketing? She already claims to have tried other e books and on-line courses. How would you feel if that was your Grandma in the video? Would you be happy?
I don't care. It's not like she is being scammed by some Nigerian scammer or a dude who says he'll give you 50% of a check if you deposit it and pull the cash right away. She is buying shit, and can do whatever she wants with it.

I still don't get what age has to do with anything?

[RFlush]

Skinny I don't know why you are defending this so much and not being as critical as you normally would.

This MTTB is similar to Lyoness and in this tread http://www.revscene.net/forums/676211-lyoness-scam-yay-nay.html you are the second person and call out the OP's dad for being a fool to follow a pyramid scheme. The business model to Lyoness is similar to MTTB, so you are essentially saying anyone who follows MTTB is a fool.

[SkinnyPupp]

Skinny I don't know why you are defending this so much and not being as critical as you normally would.

This MTTB is similar to Lyoness and in this tread http://www.revscene.net/forums/676211-lyoness-scam-yay-nay.html you are the second person and call out the OP's dad for being a fool to follow a pyramid scheme. The business model to Lyoness is similar to MTTB, so you are essentially saying anyone who follows MTTB is a fool.
I'm not defending really, I am just pointing out dumb comments. Like the guy who said we should close the thread to prove john wrong that people will keep coming back and replying... Or the guy who posted a video of john talking to an old lady, as if that meant anything whatsoever...

I don't know a LOT about MTTB or Lyoness, but what I do know, they aren't alike. Not even a little bit. So if you're going to say they are alike, you are going to have to back up that claim.

You'll have to carry that dialog with john though, because I don't care.

And BTW if I thought MTTB was a MLM scam or a pyramid scam, I wouldn't be on john's side whatsoever. But if that was the case, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on in his argument.

So here's your chance to shut him up for good, since you know his product is a pyramid scam.

[multicartual]

Is he really wearing an "I'm John Chow Bitch" t-shirt?