[Jas29]

so i'm looking for a anti bark collar for my GSD anybody have any experience with using one?

right now i'm looking at this one

SportDOG SBC-10R Bark Control Rechargeable Collar$-$$89.95 (http://www.sportingdogpro.com/sportdog-sbc-10r-bark-control-rechargeable-collar)

I would prefer one that makes a noise then vibrates then shocks him.

[SkinnyPupp]

God I hope RS can come through again and find a new owner for this guy's dog

Don't shock your fucking pet.. WTF? This is for working dogs

[Jas29]

Well u could give other ideas on how to stop him from barking

He doesn't bark to much during the day but sometimes(once a week) at night. he won't stop barking unless I stand there with him and once I go inside after a couple of mins he will start barking again.

Hopefully rs can save my dog since I'm such a terrible pet owner...

Edit: since the shock collar thing seemed to piss off skinny another option would be closing the door to his dog house and have him be in their all night.

I think the shock collar would be a better idea since he can still drink water and do everything else during the night.

The shock collar would be on from midnight(whenever I wake up from his barking) till 8am on nights he's being problematic.

He's a smart dog and picks up things pretty fast so if anyone else has any ideas on ways to train him not to bark at night time let me know.

He knows not to bark during the day(He will bark once or twice and stop). During the night when I'm sleeping his behavior doesn't get corrected fast enough for him to learn to stop. I'm thinking the shock collar will correct his behavior right away and he will learn not to bark it seems like he will get 3-4 barks before he actually feels the shock.

Hopefully this makes sense I'm pretty tired.
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[Eatman]

Trying using the collars that spray a citrus scent into their face instead of the shock collar.
http://www.amazon.ca/Petsafe-Premier-GentleSpray-Citronella-Anti-Bark/dp/B0002D31QU

But before making any purchases, you should try and figure out why he's barking, is he an outdoor dog?

[4x4runner]

how big of a shock do they send to the dogs?
is it just a lil buzz to get the dogs attention?

if thats the case I honestly think its very minor, but if your talking about a shock that will actually hurt then please dont get one.

again, best option is to take your dogs to training, 89 dollars for a collar is not cheap considering you can find a dog trainer from 30-50 bucks an hour.

[SkinnyPupp]

Do some research before buying things that inflict harm on your dog. This isn't a working dog I assume, it's a pet.

I'd start here Dogtraining: search results (http://www.reddit.com/r/Dogtraining/search?q=barking&restrict_sr=on)

[Zedbra]

Generally consistent barking means the dog needs more affection/attention. However, some dogs that are working dogs, this is not always the desired goal (sled dogs are a good example). You either need to correct the barking each time or lock the dog inside if the neighbours are complaining.

Shock collars do not work for all dogs - I have seen many that push through the "pain" so to speak. That being said, I have seen the citrus/citronella collar work effectively (with breeders of all people) and then they are eventually, and usually quickly, not needed.

All that being said, some dogs just have separation anxiety. Those dogs need special training to learn to adapt the absence of their owners.

Start with kindness and time- it's free and the most rewarding.

[Soundy]

I had a friend who tried the shock collar for a barking problem (it's not that bad, really it's not - do it on your arm, it's just a little tickle)... thing with them is, they're designed to shut off after a certain number of jolts, and her dog just figured out that if it KEPT barking, the zapping would stop, too.

Another friend tried the citronela spray collar, but discovered the dog actually liked it :fulloffuck:

You can go through a lot of money trying different $80-$100 "solutions" to find something that works, and it may only work temporarily... finding the root of the barking and addressing that is likely to be the better long-term fix, and will probably be cheaper overall.

[Jas29]

how big of a shock do they send to the dogs?
is it just a lil buzz to get the dogs attention?

according to the reviews online its more of a buzz some people tried it on themselves and they didn't feel it till the 4th shock



Zedbra and soundy

thanks for the good advice I don't want to waste the money on buying a shock collar nobody has complained yet but I know it is annoying to have a dog barking at 2am.

The problem is there is some sort of animal on the other side of the fence and he sits there barking at it non stop and if it gets close to the fence he runs at the fence and barks.

He stops barking right when I unlock the door to go outside

I don't think he has any anxiety and he gets a lot of exercise throughout the day so I don't think that is the problem either.

Edit: Eatman, yes he is an outdoor dog

[radioman]

I had one. Minor shock. Usually they have a way to control the level of shock as well.

[Soundy]

according to the reviews online its more of a buzz some people tried it on themselves and they didn't feel it till the 4th shock
There are also types that have a couple nubs that rest against the next and just give a little vibration, no actual shock.

The problem is there is some sort of animal on the other side of the fence and he sits there barking at it non stop and if it gets close to the fence he runs at the fence and barks.
He's protecting you and his home... maybe you need to apply a little Cesar thinking, be the pack leader, take charge of the situation... get between him and the animal and show him that it's YOUR problem, not his, and that the animal doesn't present a threat. You'll probably have to do it repeatedly until he gets the idea.

[Jas29]

Its hard since I can't see anything on the other side of the fence the other side is about 8.5 feet lower I tried using a stick and hitting it on the other side of the fence but that doesn't seem do anything w.e is there stays there
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[Soundy]

Don't go after the critter yourself, that just demonstrates that it's something to be attacked. Get in between, block him from the fence, then go about not giving any fucks about whatever is over there. Show him that whatever is happening over the fence doesn't matter to your existence. It will take a while, but he SHOULD eventually get the message that the other animal is irrelevant and should just be ignored.

[Jas29]

Okay I'll try that from now on thanks soundy
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[MindBomber]

God I hope RS can come through again and find a new owner for this guy's dog

Don't shock your fucking pet.. WTF? This is for working dogs

On the bright side, he didn't ask about having his dog's vocal cords cut.

A perfectly acceptable procedure, according to the CVBC.

[stewie]

bit of a detour with this post, but since were on the subject of bark collars...

has anyone used those E collars?

my 11 month GSD has a horrible habit me and my family just cant seem to break...

he has full free roam of the house 24/7, but whenever he wants to go out side he stands infront of the door for 2 seconds and if nobodys there, he jumps and claws at the door. hes already gone through several window curtain things from getting his claws and pulling them off the hooks.

ive tried to make him sit for 1 minute, which he will do, but he'll only do it IF i'm standing there. if nobody else is in the room, its clawing time. I've tried to get him to sit and bark, but nope. my other dog just sits and lays in front of the door until someone opens it (my living room has decent view of the door so we can usually see either dog there within a few seconds of being there).

any tips? training shock collars? ive used a pinch collar on him for all his obedience training and its worked like a charm. not sure if I should just leave the pinch collar on him (which would be cruel) and give him a tug every time he jumps and claws...or get a training collar and give him a pop each time...

any suggestions?

[SkinnyPupp]

How much exercise does he get each day? I don't mean him walking around the yard, I mean actual exercise for his body AND mind.

Because if you're not training him actively for 2-3 hours every day, he is going to go nuts and start barking like that.

GSDs are worker dogs. They need constant stimulation to be happy. This type of breed isn't for everyone. If you can't spend 20 hours a week working and playing with him, you should have gotten a pug.

[Nlkko]

Lack of exercises, discipline is usually the root of many problems. So you gotta find out the root and address that and the problems will dissipate itself. If it's disciple then allowing him to freely roam the house isnt so good. Then you gotta go back to setting boundaries between man and dog.

Whatever it is, remember that shock collar/leash/treat are only tools and not solutions. They won't fix bad habits and can have negative effects if misused.
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[stewie]

How much exercise does he get each day? I don't mean him walking around the yard, I mean actual exercise for his body AND mind.

Because if you're not training him actively for 2-3 hours every day, he is going to go nuts and start barking like that.

GSDs are worker dogs. They need constant stimulation to be happy. This type of breed isn't for everyone. If you can't spend 20 hours a week working and playing with him, you should have gotten a pug.

he gets his walk which is a few km long.
hes non stop running around with the other dog.

for mental exercise, i train him in little 5 minute windows all throughout the day to prevent him from getting bored.

the gf's mom is a retired trainer and breeder. she was the one who suggested e collars for corrective behaviour, ex., i can watch the dog from inside the house, and if hes outside trying to fish for koi in my pond or starts digging a hole, he can be corrected without any use of words.

[Soundy]

Why don't you combine the two items, by training him to use a different method of asking to go out, like the old "door bells" idea?

http://www.specialtypettraining.com/graphics/website%20graphics/pb%20demo1.jpg

Right now he knows that if he scratches and claws at the door, he'll eventually be let out; you've essentially trained him to know that scratching is the way to success... so instead of training him NOT to scratch, teach him that SOMETHING ELSE will work, and if he rings the bells, someone will come and let him out.

Of course, you'll have to stay right on top of it at first, making sure to let him out as quickly as possible when he rings the bells (once you get him started using them, that is). The bonus is, learning something new will also help stimulate and occupy his mind.

[westopher]

On the bright side, he didn't ask about having his dog's vocal cords cut.

A perfectly acceptable procedure, according to the CVBC.
It was the most fucked up shit at the RS spring meet. I brought monty as I always do and some pomeranian was barking like crazy at him, but no sound was coming out. I'd never heard of that before until my wife explained it. Taking away a dogs ability (or one of the ways) to communicate with other dogs is awful.
As for the barking. Try a spray bottle. Just full of water. When my dog barked at people/dogs passing by the apartment I sprayed him in the face with water and he learned quite quickly. Also speak to a professional. GOOD Dog trainers are better than any of the tools that we may think we understand how to use that we can just pick up at the pet store.

[Nlkko]

Thats fucked man. Cant believe such savage method is still considered acceptable.
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[quasi]

I took my dads Keeshound in when he was still alive to a vet for vaccinations, they we're going away and he had to be kenneled. This dog did bark a lot but the vet actually recommend removing his vocal chords. I was like uh yeah......needless to say the dog never went back there.

[MindBomber]

I took my dads Keeshound in when he was still alive to a vet for vaccinations, they we're going away and he had to be kenneled. This dog did bark a lot but the vet actually recommend removing his vocal chords. I was like uh yeah......needless to say the dog never went back there.

It was the most fucked up shit at the RS spring meet. I brought monty as I always do and some pomeranian was barking like crazy at him, but no sound was coming out. I'd never heard of that before until my wife explained it. Taking away a dogs ability (or one of the ways) to communicate with other dogs is awful.

It's a perfectly legal procedure in most of Canada and the United States, but in Europe and Australia performing the procedure would lead to animal cruelty charges and a vm license revocation. The same applies to cropping, docking, and de-clawing. It's all fucking sick.

[SkinnyPupp]

They get dogs like that at my wife's work all the time.. vocal chords removed, teeth removed, and breeding until they are elderly. It's standard practise for scumbags to do to their dogs.

And then they sell them to pet stores for ignorant people to buy, and they run into problems like "my dog won't stop barking I am going to either buy a shock collar or cut its vocal chords out"

[threezero]

he gets his walk which is a few km long.
hes non stop running around with the other dog.

for mental exercise, i train him in little 5 minute windows all throughout the day to prevent him from getting bored.

the gf's mom is a retired trainer and breeder. she was the one who suggested e collars for corrective behaviour, ex., i can watch the dog from inside the house, and if hes outside trying to fish for koi in my pond or starts digging a hole, he can be corrected without any use of words.

Alot of people knock on e collar without realizing the principle behind using it as a training tool. the shock they get is very mild and a good e collar should have adjustable levels its less painful and harmful than being choke by a choke collar or prong collar and its a much faster way to correcting behaviour than either the choke or the prong collar. However it is much much much easier to be abused by someone that doesn't know the philosophy behind it (think continuous shocking the dog till he behaves thats NOT how the collar is suppose to work)

If you are going this route I suggest you get the advice/help of professional trainer that have experience with e collar training so you know how to use the collar safely and effectively

[Soundy]

^Don't forget, the term "e-collar" is applied to two different types of collars, too: there's the "shock" type that gives a small zap, and the type that simply vibrates two small prongs against the neck.

But you're right, even the zap type gets a bad rap because it tends to be abused - no one training tool is the right tool for every dog, every situation, and every trainer.

Classic example: most trainers are vehemently against the use of retractable leashes under any circumstances for a variety of reasons, and I regularly hear stories trotted out of dogs who got hit by cars because the leash let them run out in the street before their handler could lock it down...

And then last spring we were at a seminar that included, among other guest speakers, an obedience trainer with decades and numerous championships under his belt, and he swears by the retractables *WHEN DOING HIS OBEDIENCE TRAINING*, because as he put it, normal leashes aren't long enough, and if a dog isn't leashed, he isn't under your control.

Again, right tool for the job when used properly, and it won't be the best tool for every instance.

[stewie]

And then last spring we were at a seminar that included, among other guest speakers, an obedience trainer with decades and numerous championships under his belt, and he swears by the retractables *WHEN DOING HIS OBEDIENCE TRAINING*, because as he put it, normal leashes aren't long enough, and if a dog isn't leashed, he isn't under your control.

Again, right tool for the job when used properly, and it won't be the best tool for every instance.

speaking of long leashes, where can I get one of those loooong leashes that cops use for training their gsd's at? id like to be able to take my dog to the park across my street and have a 20ft leash on him just for safety so I can work on his commands/hand signals from a distance :D

[Soundy]

We got 25' leashes for training from the dollar store, of all places... although depending on the dog's size and strength, I don't know if I'd trust a dollar store leash to stop him should he decide to bolt (mine are all 5-6 pounds, so I'm not too worried about the leash breaking).

[westopher]

Leerburg Dog Training | Long Lines (http://leerburg.com/longlines.htm)
This is where I got my double handled leash for Monty. 6 ft, with a short traffic handle built in. Crazy good quality. Got my long line at tisol, but think I'd rather have one of these. 30 foot long line=60 ft of 60+lb dog to gain momentum in a worst case scenario if your dog has a high prey drive or something like that, so I'd spend the money for quality.

[stewie]

Leerburg Dog Training | Long Lines (http://leerburg.com/longlines.htm)

thanks, was hoping for a local store, but if not, i'll use that site :D

[westopher]

The shipping was really quick. I know that they have a distributor in langley as well, but I cant remember the name for the life of me.