[NKC ONE]

Honestly don't see the resemblance.

[SkinnyPupp]

Also a lot of the anti-occupy people really are locals who are annoyed by the protests. Not all are triads or mainlanders, or even pro-establishment. Now you can argue that these people are ignorant or stupid, but the truth is the occupy movement is starting to lose support from the public.

[Manic!]

what do people expect? The cops are not arresting the Triads but they are also not arresting the protesters who are also breaking the law. Democracy takes a lot of blood sweat and tears. Canada has been very lucky but in most other countries people died for there freedom.

Gandhi and Mandela both wanted democracy but only one really made it happen.

[tonyzoomzoom]

I feel for the students but once you start messing the public's meal ticket, you will lose their support.

rightly or wrongly, that's how it is in HK.

[NKC ONE]

I think after what happened last night in MK, the students gained a lot more support. People who were originally on the fence are now clearly leaning towards supporting or at least protecting the students from future occurrences. The blue side (whoever they are) can try their best to attack again but I guarantee that they won't just be facing the cute non-violent protesters anymore.

Check out Admiralty/Central right now. Packed.

[Drow]

murica needs to drop some freedom in HK

[RFlush]

I feel for the students but once you start messing the public's meal ticket, you will lose their support.

rightly or wrongly, that's how it is in HK.

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[twdm]

Rofl, what a loser. Pretending that he has a 10 year old (he's probably not even 30), pretends to faint and then gets up when police comes. When the protesters surround him, he pretends to faint again.

[pastarocket]

+1. That idiot in the purple shirt is such a drama queen.

-latest live broadcast:

Hong Kong protest 10.4 ?????? Umbrella Revolution Live Broadcast - YouTube

[EmperorIS]

He's still got a point though. I can sympathize with the protestors if they are protesting in a park or maybe even around rotating walks around streets. But to flat out and block a busy public street and disturbing public transportation systems, I cant support.

A lot of these protestors are so unorganized. They just think blocking everything and causing a headache for Hong Kong in general is going cause enough headache for the government to listen to them. When in the end its the normal working class citizens that have to suffer.

[Bender Unit]

MongKok protest is a mess.
I am waiting for those who called themselves Leader say,' MongKok protest is not part of us in Admiralty/Central'

[xxxrsxxx]

Any live streams of mongkok?

[TOPEC]

10 .4雨傘é�©å‘½ç�¾å$´ Umbrella Revolution Live Broadcast - YouTube

[SkinnyPupp]

He's still got a point though. I can sympathize with the protestors if they are protesting in a park or maybe even around rotating walks around streets. But to flat out and block a busy public street and disturbing public transportation systems, I cant support.

A lot of these protestors are so unorganized. They just think blocking everything and causing a headache for Hong Kong in general is going cause enough headache for the government to listen to them. When in the end its the normal working class citizens that have to suffer.
Part of me agrees, abut another part thinks that if they are demonstrating in a park legally, they can simply be ignored. This forces the government's hand one way or another.

The side effect of course, is lower public support

[v_tec]

It's now Monday 6am :pokerface:

[bomiheko]

Some of the protesters want to cause disturbances and disrupting as much as possible because that's their leverage on getting the government to negotiate. The government is not going to do anything if protesters just protest peacefully, cause they have nothing to lose. They'll just let you protest all day long and they suffer no losses for it. This was why the teachers go on strike, to force the government to deal. Riots and blockages do the same action. Full out civil war would be at the extreme end to force change. It's a gamble they take, but it's only effective if you have a majority of the public support. Otherwise, you'll be seen as an extremist.

[SumAznGuy]

Some of the protesters want to cause disturbances and disrupting as much as possible because that's their leverage on getting the government to negotiate.

Too bad right now it seems like the China government don't give a damn and will just wait it out till the protesters run out of money and go back to work, much like the striking workers at the Richmond Ikea.

[asian_XL]

I foresee Hongers will begin to move back to Vancouver.

[lady_mapetite]

I foresee Hongers will begin to move back to Vancouver.

it's already happening, now we'll just have to see if they come in masses.

[Mr.HappySilp]

it's already happening, now we'll just have to see if they come in masses.

+1 my aunt already moved her whole family back during summer. She made enough money for them to live off. 3 apartments in HK, sold 2 of them and left one to be rented out.

[willystyle]

Too bad right now it seems like the China government don't give a damn and will just wait it out till the protesters run out of money and go back to work, much like the striking workers at the Richmond Ikea.
The Chinese government will not back down, just look at how they deal with the Tibetans and Uyghurs.

All the Pro-democracy demonstrators can do is raise awareness, at the end of the day, other foreign countries will not get their hands in this mess, and the Chinese government won't give a damn.

[twitchyzero]

they're gonna move back to Vancouver and be shocked at the increasing presence of Mainlanders compared to the 90's

move away just to join more Mainlanders, they're now in every major Western city, no escape :troll:

[Qmx323]

they're gonna move back to Vancouver and be shocked at the increasing presence of Mainlanders compared to the 90's

move away just to join more Mainlanders, they're now in every major Western city, no escape :troll:

No one can escape the clutches of mainlanders.

They are everywhere, they are nowhere.

They are,

Fobs.

:accepted:

[fetched]

^
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535

[SkinnyPupp]

So far almost all of the negative press against occupy seems to have been instigated by the government and media...

-One protester worked with police to move the protest away from an area. He was confirmed to be a police officer himself

-A guy claiming to be a father threatened to jump off a bridge all day yesterday, unless the protests ended. He was confirmed to be a stuntman/actor

-TVB interviewed a government worker who complained that he couldn't go to work for a week, since the protest was blocking his path. He was confirmed to be a TVB extra/actor (other government workers interviewed have said that they could have been going to work the entire time, since occupiers always let them through)

-Of course we know that most of the anti-occupy protesters (but not all) have been hired by someone (some say the government themselves, my assumption is that it's the oligarchs running luxury stores and other triad run stores in MK)

-Additionally, a lot of "pro government" supporters are senior citizens who are taking part in exchange for payment. This is in addition to the thugs starting fights and destroying occupiers' equipment and tents

-I'm sure there are many more. I only posted the confirmed one (there are quite a few more suspected paid shills/actors.

-The most ridiculous case was a newspaper in china claiming a housekeeper lost her life because of occupy. There was an accident where a wardrobe fell on her and killed her. They claimed that if it wasn't for occupy, she would have been taking kids to school instead, and the accident wouldn't have killed her. :fulloffuck: logic

China is SO FUCKING BAD at spreading misinformation.. They simply don't realize that people they're trying to misinform aren't a bunch of uninformed zombies who have no access to information other than what they're force fed.

[ae101]

lol move to ridge, seeing white ppl on horses riding :troll:

[StylinRed]

used to see that a lot not so much anymore

used to get a lot of wildlife too not so much anymore :/

[twdm]

So apparently purple shirt man is suing apple daily for reporting that the lady claimed she was sexually assaulted (he kept grabbing her legs).

It turns out he owns 4 restaurants in Hong Kong, yet he can't afford to feed his family.

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1611160/man-accused-sexually-harassing-protester-vows-sue-occupy-leaders-and

[GLOW]

Liu said he fell to the ground during the chaos and had to grab whatever was closest to him for support.

imagine the precedence it'll set if he wins. i was falling so i grabbed whatever was near me for support. :ifyouknow:
http://media.giphy.com/media/s3Zug4SSIPt6M/giphy.gif

[Mr.HappySilp]

So apparently purple shirt man is suing apple daily for reporting that the lady claimed she was sexually assaulted (he kept grabbing her legs).

It turns out he owns 4 restaurants in Hong Kong, yet he can't afford to feed his family.

Man accused of sexually harassing protester vows to sue Occupy leaders and Apple Daily | South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1611160/man-accused-sexually-harassing-protester-vows-sue-occupy-leaders-and)

Lies there are photos and video showing him purposely grabbing the female legs. And when you are on the floor the best way to protect is to roll like a ball using your hands to cover your head, not trying to grab some female legs.

Good luck trying to sue apple. Their pockets are so deep they can afford to play with this guy till he goes bankrupt.

[SkinnyPupp]

I saw the whole video, and to me it doesn't really look like he was perving girls on purpose.. He grabbed one girl's legs, and then pushed another lady at her chest... I can't say for sure, but to me his motives weren't sexual.

Fucked up story of the day

A senior editor at the South China Morning Post was physically assaulted by a man attending his lecture at the University of Hong Kong yesterday and received treatment in hospital.

Cliff Buddle, the Post's special projects editor and an honorary lecturer in media law and ethics at HKU's journalism and media studies centre, was attacked by a 26-year-old mainlander, who claimed to be a student from Tsinghua University in Beijing, witnesses said.

The man, a Putonghua speaker, expressed annoyance at Buddle's use of English instead of Chinese at the university, where most of the teaching is done in English.

"It has been 17 years into Hong Kong's handover. Why is English still used for teaching?" witnesses cited the man as shouting at about 2pm.

Security guards alerted the police, who arrested him on suspicion of common assault. The man was overheard telling police he thought there was "no problem" hitting a foreign teacher.
Buddle was treated for injuries to his hand and chest before being discharged from hospital.
The 50-year-old journalist told how the man kicked him in the chest and injured his hand by hitting it with a hard-cover folder.

"He suddenly walked to the front of the class during my lecture and assaulted me," Buddle said. "There was no discussion."

HKU confirmed the man was not one of its students and vowed to review security arrangements at the Pok Fu Lam campus.

"I am surprised and saddened. It is rare for something like this to happen in Hong Kong," Buddle said.
"I am very grateful to my teaching assistant and students who remained calm and refused to leave until the attacker had been apprehended."

Wang Xiangwei, editor-in-chief of the Post, said: "We condemn this attack on our colleague, Cliff. Violence has no place in the classroom. Police are currently investigating and we trust they will handle the matter appropriately."

[GLOW]

Wang Xiangwei, editor-in-chief of the Post, said: "We condemn this attack on our colleague, Cliff. Violence has no place in the classroom. Police are currently investigating and we trust they will handle the matter appropriately."

i'd love to hear what the follow-up to this by the police would be.

[SkinnyPupp]

i'd love to hear what the follow-up to this by the police would be.
Hopefully he gets deported

Mainlander Assaulted HKU Professor Against EMI Education/ Oct 6 2014 - YouTube

What's funny is that he would have needed a student visa to get into Hong Kong, so it should have been quite clear to him that Hong Kong was not simply "returned to China"

[asian_XL]

Angela Liu / Year 3 BJ Student

:heckno:

[red_2]

Jon Stewart On Hong Kong Protest 2014 - Mocks Daughter of Hong Kong Leader - YouTube

lolz

[xpl0sive]

even jon stewart agreed that it was a man that got mased not an old lady.... and i got failed

[Mr.HappySilp]

the gov isn't having any discussions anymore. There are less people on the streets now and US have anncounce earlier this week they don't give a shit about this protest.

I guess is over. I just hope these kids are smart enough and back off before police start using force on them.

[SkinnyPupp]

the gov isn't having any discussions anymore. There are less people on the streets now and US have anncounce earlier this week they don't give a shit about this protest.

I guess is over. I just hope these kids are smart enough and back off before police start using force on them.
It's not over lol

Tonight or tomorrow, there is probably going to be the biggest outcome at admiralty so far

[123654123]

It's not over lol

Tonight or tomorrow, there is probably going to be the biggest outcome at admiralty so far

calm before the storm?

[Iceman_2K]

You've got professional drivers ready to overrun the barriers....

We'll remove Occupy barricades, warn professional drivers | South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1613202/well-remove-occupy-barricades-warn-professional-drivers)

[v_tec]

Right now:

http://www.scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/486x302/public/2014/10/10/tamar-nightoct10-edward-a.jpg?itok=jnIxt67R
http://www.scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/486x302/public/2014/10/10/hong_kong-china-politics-democracy_xo001_46078661.jpg?itok=6UG3eKD9

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah it's not over. These "kids" aren't "smart enough" to simply give up I guess

[svelt]

Thank god. Keep fighting the good fight. If I was there I'd supply them food all day long

[fourthavenuecafe]

Keep 'em updates coming.

[StylinRed]

so it's dwindled down to only weekend appearances en masse and on the weekdays most people go home?

this died out quick i think Occupy lasted longer

[Manic!]

so it's dwindled down to only weekend appearances en masse and on the weekdays most people go home?

this died out quick i think Occupy lasted longer

No it died out because they were going to have talks but then China changed it's mind.

[butter_sashimi]

Major activity going on now. Police tearing down the protest with force at Lung Wo road.

[pastarocket]

-wondering what the student leaders of the protest have in place as a "back up plan" if the police go beast mode to use lethal forms of force against the students and to remove the barricades.

I support the "Umbrella Revolution" since day 1 hoping that maybe, just maybe Hong Kong does get universal suffrage one day.

For those on this thread that are old enough to remember like me, I remember seeing news footage of tanks rolling into Tiananmen Square back in 1989. The communist government of China is ruthless. They will do anything in order to maintain their reigns of power. Anything.

No more bloodshed, please. 1989 was bad enough.

[Traum]

The Communist government is not stupid. They know the repercussions of sending troops in for a bloody clear out. More than anything else, they know that they and the richest Chinese have a lot of real monetary interested kept in HK (e.g in the financial and real estate markets, among many others), and doing a hard crackdown would severely destroy their own wealth. So no, I don't think you will see anything bloody.

As a matter of fact, news reports have indicated that President Xi has decreed that the PLA will not be sent in unless widespread looting, fire, bloodshed, and other riot/chaos-like situations really develop. But Xi will also not back down on anything further because he believes the Communist government has already conceded on 2 previous issues (Article 23 national security legislation and national education).

I cannot foresee how the situation can be resolved, short of any further milder forms of police brutality being used to clear out the streets, in conjunction with triad involvement to instigate and rough the protesters up. Already, the Lung Woh Streets have already been cleared using the police brutality approach, and there are numerous reports of how the police have pulled protesters and reporters alike off to the side and physically beat them up. As a matter of fact, there is video evidence showing how one particular protester was pulled off to a dark corner to get kicked and beaten up by multiple officers while another officers take watch.

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[pastarocket]

Disgusting police brutality. Those fucking pigs! Talk about disrespecting the badge. Their actions are a disgrace.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Look they are not going to roll in tanks or even use military force. It will hurt the economy too much and drive ppl away from investing into HK/China. Investors will move their money/investment back to US if it happens (Unstable political problems is bad for investments). US sure the market is not doing too well but at least is a more stable then say HK/China. Not to mention it will only force people who are able to move to other countries move faster leaving you with the poor.

Most likely the police will drag it out. As it drag on more people will be against the protest and then police will have the perfect reason to remove the students. Will the police use force? Most likely some type of force will be use (tear gas, pepper spray, etc etc.....). I mean we are seeing this now more and more people are showing signs they aren't happy with the protest (not just the people that was paid to cause issue but regular citizen and business).

I think people have to look at the real reason for this whole umbrella Occupy. The reason why so many ppl protest is because of the way how wealth is being distributed in HK. If regular citizens can afford to buy their own apartments, able to live a decent live (IE start their own family, purchase their own apartments, able to save enough to retire, etc etc...) do you think they care who gets elected? No they don't care (maybe a few minior will). But the current state in HK is that Most of the wealth is being given to a few rich ppl only and they pretty much run HK. Worse the gov haven't done much to help the poor. The gov made it worse (The guy before CY stop the building of affordable housing for 7 years) that alone drives up the housing market a lot. Also allowing some China city citizens to freely travel back and forth between China and HK worse the issue.

Basically a lot of HK resource are being taken by these ppl from China (Schools, grocery, health care, old age retirement funds, beaches, camping grounds, swimming pools etc etc....). In order to make these new shoppers happy mega shopping malls are built pushing out old shops that's affordable to the locals. To make thing worse the gov not only doesn't stop this but increase the number of ppl from China to enter freely into HK to take more resources (anyone remember baby milk powders shortage , elementary school seats being taken?).

I feel the students are just puppets to something else such as forcing a gov in order to re-distribute the wealth.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

doesn't matter what happens, HK loses.

HK already lost. just seeing which way it pans out.

[yray]

In 2046, the CCP gonna walk across Shenzhen river like this

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/070/279/leostrutoriginal.jpg

[Traum]

Just came across this most disgusting video regarding the HK Police's use of excessive and completely unjustified use of violence.

The video actually came from TVB news, and I am rather surprised that the footage actually made its way out to the public. The section of interest starts at 1:29 all the way to 2:30:

15/10/2014 CCTVB 影到差佬用�刑 - YouTube

There is no way any police force can explain themselves out of this one. Pure and simple, this is classic textbook police brutality and torture.

[SkinnyPupp]

TVB took the footage down, and removed it from all their coverage... They later had to apologize.

HK people all feel let down, as despite confrontations, most believe the police were "just doing their job". They can't feel that way any more.

Now there's more people showing up at occupy (it was starting to slow down) and people are showing up at the Wan Chai police station to urge those officers to be arrested

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10649432_650132408437920_5592326374816390035_n.jpg ?oh=2ece9d6c98e46929e476b59531d4390c&oe=54BB6576&__gda__=1424911144_91892407666895fc844d1c15e93b890 c

As someone who has defended the police throughout this whole ordeal, I feel pretty disgusted and let down by this incident.

[CP.AR]

Hong Kong is a business. not a city, not a country.
We are all employees of a business

Nobody will ever treat this place like a city/country/state

[yray]

Eighteen Brassmen of Shaolin Monastery - YouTube

[Mr.HappySilp]

TVB took the footage down, and removed it from all their coverage... They later had to apologize.

HK people all feel let down, as despite confrontations, most believe the police were "just doing their job". They can't feel that way any more.

Now there's more people showing up at occupy (it was starting to slow down) and people are showing up at the Wan Chai police station to urge those officers to be arrested

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/10649432_650132408437920_5592326374816390035_n.jpg ?oh=2ece9d6c98e46929e476b59531d4390c&oe=54BB6576&__gda__=1424911144_91892407666895fc844d1c15e93b890 c

As someone who has defended the police throughout this whole ordeal, I feel pretty disgusted and let down by this incident.

http://youtu.be/xNTK7XC3EK0

That's Andy Tsang Commander in Chief of the police force "Telling the police officer, You did nothing wrong."

Wonder if he will be able to say the same thing now......

[GLOW]

TVB took the footage down, and removed it from all their coverage... They later had to apologize.


what was the verbiage of the apology? "sorry for releasing police brutality footage, please do not send the police to attack us"???

[supremematt85]

Just came across this most disgusting video regarding the HK Police's use of excessive and completely unjustified use of violence.

The video actually came from TVB news, and I am rather surprised that the footage actually made its way out to the public. The section of interest starts at 1:29 all the way to 2:30:

15/10/2014 CCTVB 影到差佬用�刑 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlxcftCgvy4)

There is no way any police force can explain themselves out of this one. Pure and simple, this is classic textbook police brutality and torture.

Classic Rcmp tactics.

[SkinnyPupp]

what was the verbiage of the apology? "sorry for releasing police brutality footage, please do not send the police to attack us"???
Google translate was pretty rough, but it was actually issued by TVB employees, not the company officially. The company is in Beijing's pocket

Edit; Here it is https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1395590664064373&id=1395501620739944&fref=nf

[multicartual]

The poor should know when they're conquered


(I rent in Vancouver, I know I'm conquered too)

[StylinRed]

Classic Rcmp tactics.

what's amusing is the same people up in arms about this so called brutality say the victim deserves it when the same thing or worse happens elsewhere (like locally)

[SkinnyPupp]

what's amusing is the same people up in arms about this so called brutality say the victim deserves it when the same thing or worse happens elsewhere (like locally)
"so called"?

Are you fucking insane?

[2014-10-15] è$¦å¯ŸæŠ¬ç¤ºå¨�人士到暗角並拳打腳踢 ( 06:00 版本 ) - YouTube

[StylinRed]

thanks for the full video


Are you fucking insane?


you're missing the point

but my point still stands

look at all the incidents of brutality that happened here in BC or in the states we get the same posters saying that the suspect deserves it and shouldn't have antagonized officers...yet when a case of brutality happens "close to home" all of a sudden it is undeserved and is called what it is (brutality)

[SkinnyPupp]

thanks for the full video



you're missing the point

but my point still stands

look at all the incidents of brutality that happened here in BC or in the states we get the same posters saying that the suspect deserves it and shouldn't have antagonized officers...yet when a case of brutality happens "close to home" all of a sudden it is undeserved and is called what it is (brutality)
People always say that stupid shit here.. same thing for when cyclists get hit by cars. They're just being internet blow-hards, you shouldn't take their statements seriously at all

[GLOW]

The poor should know when they're conquered


(I rent in Vancouver, I know I'm conquered too)

possible niche for your website? :ifyouknow::whistle:

[Mr.HappySilp]

"so called"?

Are you fucking insane?

[2014-10-15] è$¦å¯ŸæŠ¬ç¤ºå¨�人士到暗角並拳打腳踢 ( 06:00 版本 ) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvsrEF3gp-U)

All I can say nothing will happen to these police. They will go about their day and maybe even get promoted. I mean what's this so call "we will investigate" Yea sure police investigating police do we actually expect the police in the video to get punish or get sue or even get fire. Don't think so lol.

[danned]

people comment that that video is just a show

[yray]

^yea, its a remake for stephen chow

[Tr1ll]

Politician: Kung Fu Movies Show Danger Of Umbrella Protests - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/politician-kung-fu-movies-show-danger-of-umbrella-protests-2014-10)

:lawl:

[GLOW]

read link title, knew immediately once upon a time in china references had to be used :lol

[asian_XL]

Mongkok blockade is gone this morning...w00t

[SupraMan604]

Typical TVB drama series = Ghetto Justice II :suspicious:

[Mr.HappySilp]

All I can say is this have forever change my view about HK and Hk police force.

After my trip back to HK in Sept I was already debating will I ever go back and have doubts about getting my HK ID (Still have the child one so I am switching to the adult one). Now I don't even want go back and couldn't care less if I can get my HK ID.

[SkinnyPupp]

All I can say is this have forever change my view about HK and Hk police force.

After my trip back to HK in Sept I was already debating will I ever go back and have doubts about getting my HK ID (Still have the child one so I am switching to the adult one). Now I don't even want go back and couldn't care less if I can get my HK ID.
I personally know several people who are leaving within the next year. I'll leave once it gets really bad. It sucks, seeing an entire country/culture/whatever just simply get taken over. I feel so bad for the HK people who care.

[Traum]

All I can say is this have forever change my view about HK and Hk police force.

After my trip back to HK in Sept I was already debating will I ever go back and have doubts about getting my HK ID (Still have the child one so I am switching to the adult one). Now I don't even want go back and couldn't care less if I can get my HK ID.
If you qualify for the HK ID, I would still make the arrangements to apply for it and pick it up. A trip to do this doesn't mean you need to make HK the focus of your trip, and you can easily travel to other nearby destinations in southeast Asia as your primary objective. The thing is, having the HK ID would still give you a choice in the future should the future pans out favourably for HK.

China is undoubtedly economically and politically powerful. At the same time, it is also a pressure pot that is ready to burst at its seams. The Communist government knows this, which is why they spend an extraordinary amount of money to suppress internal dissent. But if the recent unrest in the Middle East (Tunisian Revolution, Egypt, Syria, etc.), dictatorial governments can topple faster than anyone can possibly imagine. If this were to happen in China, it would not be pretty at all across the entire world, but it may yet give HK a new life. So it doesn't hurt to make the small effort to arrange for some official HK identity at a small cost right now.

I personally know several people who are leaving within the next year. I'll leave once it gets really bad. It sucks, seeing an entire country/culture/whatever just simply get taken over. I feel so bad for the HK people who care.
Even prior to this whole round of Umbrella Revolution, I know a good number of people that have returned to a Canadian life after relocating to HK when they finished their undergrad. The environment has already been toxic in HK for quite some time. Especially when families have kids, returning to Canada (and especially to Vancouver) is a no-brainer, both for the children and the parents.

[SkinnyPupp]

oh if I had kids I would never consider living here for another second. The education system here is fucked

[Traum]

oh if I had kids I would never consider living here for another second. The education system here is fucked
Calling it "fxxked" is an understatement. It is really the mentality of the parents that is insane. They are so concerned about this "losing out at the starting line" crap that they send their kids to all kind of cram schools and hobby classes that the kids have no time to be kids at all. And everyone does it because everyone else is already doing it. It's just insane...

Can't understand why parents can't just let kids be kids...

[SkinnyPupp]

Calling it "fxxked" is an understatement. It is really the mentality of the parents that is insane. They are so concerned about this "losing out at the starting line" crap that they send their kids to all kind of cram schools and hobby classes that the kids have no time to be kids at all. And everyone does it because everyone else is already doing it. It's just insane...

Can't understand why parents can't just let kids be kids...
What's sick is that they start cramming pretty much as soon as they're born.

[svelt]

I wish this would get more press locally to contribute, even in miniscule amounts, to the global eye and scrutiny upon the Chinese and HK government. I mean, markets tanking, ebola and ISIL are all important issues too but my newsfeeds are totally getting drowned out by these happenings and there is much less about these protests than there were weeks ago, unless I purposefully look for it. The longer this drags out the more pressure perhaps governments will feel to dole out some form of a concession. That can help set a precedent that protests, even in Chinese states, do indeed do something (and don't leave you with gaping bullet holes)

[Mr.HappySilp]

If you qualify for the HK ID, I would still make the arrangements to apply for it and pick it up. A trip to do this doesn't mean you need to make HK the focus of your trip, and you can easily travel to other nearby destinations in southeast Asia as your primary objective. The thing is, having the HK ID would still give you a choice in the future should the future pans out favourably for HK.

Even prior to this whole round of Umbrella Revolution, I know a good number of people that have returned to a Canadian life after relocating to HK when they finished their undergrad. The environment has already been toxic in HK for quite some time. Especially when families have kids, returning to Canada (and especially to Vancouver) is a no-brainer, both for the children and the parents.

I already handed in everything but at this point if I get deny I don't really care all that much. My dad is always like stop posting bad things about the police and the protest itself in case the gov deny your ID coz of that. I simply tells him if that's the case I don't care as I lost nothing.

Is true one of my aunts already move back to Vancouver this summer and plan to stay. Another aunt of mine send her kid back to Vancouver to to go university this Sept while she and her husband stays to make more money. I am pretty within 3 years she will also come back.

[skyxx]

This also means a massive increase in the housing market. Get a place now before it goes up again within these few years.

[Gumby]

oh if I had kids I would never consider living here for another second. The education system here is fucked
1.5 months ago, you could argue that the BC education system was fucked too... ;)

[tonyzoomzoom]

not nearly the same kind of issues. Kids in HK have to compete with good grades and loads extra curricular activities to go to their schools of choice. This starts at the kindergarten level. It's like non-stop as soon as you learn to walk and talk: piano lessons, tennis lessons, english lessons, violin lessons, tutoring, etc.

I have a nephew in HK and I feel so sorry for him. No time to enjoy just being a kid. It's always one thing after the next for all waking hours 7 days a week.

I also feel for his parents as well. Not only do these activities take up time, they also cost a pretty penny. We talked about considering having the nephew spend a bit more time relaxing, etc. but the parents totally worry about not being able to keep up with everyone else. So sad.

The education system in HK is totally eff-ed up with unrealistic expectations.

[SkinnyPupp]

not nearly the same kind of issues. Kids in HK have to compete with good grades and loads extra curricular activities to go to their schools of choice. This starts at the kindergarten level. It's like non-stop as soon as you learn to walk and talk: piano lessons, tennis lessons, english lessons, violin lessons, tutoring, etc.

I have a nephew in HK and I feel so sorry for him. No time to enjoy just being a kid. It's always one thing after the next for all waking hours 7 days a week.

I also feel for his parents as well. Not only do these activities take up time, they also cost a pretty penny. We talked about considering having the nephew spend a bit more time relaxing, etc. but the parents totally worry about not being able to keep up with everyone else. So sad.

The education system in HK is totally eff-ed up with unrealistic expectations.
Actually it starts at age 1 or 2 (if not earlier). T here are tutoring centres for infants. The kids cram the alphabet and math so they can pass preschool entry examinations.

Like I said, it's disgusting. Kids aren't even kids, except maybe for an hour or so on sundays.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Actually it starts at age 1 or 2 (if not earlier). T here are tutoring centres for infants. The kids cram the alphabet and math so they can pass preschool entry examinations.

Like I said, it's disgusting. Kids aren't even kids, except maybe for an hour or so on sundays.

1 or 2? They can't even go to washroom by themselves?!

[suzuka84]

not nearly the same kind of issues. Kids in HK have to compete with good grades and loads extra curricular activities to go to their schools of choice. This starts at the kindergarten level. It's like non-stop as soon as you learn to walk and talk: piano lessons, tennis lessons, english lessons, violin lessons, tutoring, etc.

I have a nephew in HK and I feel so sorry for him. No time to enjoy just being a kid. It's always one thing after the next for all waking hours 7 days a week.

I also feel for his parents as well. Not only do these activities take up time, they also cost a pretty penny. We talked about considering having the nephew spend a bit more time relaxing, etc. but the parents totally worry about not being able to keep up with everyone else. So sad.

The education system in HK is totally eff-ed up with unrealistic expectations.

I have friends that hired a tutor for their little 2 year old daughter to prep her for the international school entrance interview. for what? so they can sit still for long hours in the office while legions of expats call the shots?

HK is hilarious. It's a great place to live so long as you don't have to actually live here.

[EmperorIS]

Hongers beta as fuck

Guy Steals Girl From Chinese Guy - YouTube

[Tapioca]

Calling it "fxxked" is an understatement. It is really the mentality of the parents that is insane. They are so concerned about this "losing out at the starting line" crap that they send their kids to all kind of cram schools and hobby classes that the kids have no time to be kids at all. And everyone does it because everyone else is already doing it. It's just insane...

Can't understand why parents can't just let kids be kids...

What's being described about HK is not all that different from how parents are raising their kids in North America. Sure, kids aren't learning the alphabet at age 1, but preschools, tutoring sessions, and every sport/hobby under the sun is pretty much the norm for kids these days once they start to talk and walk until they're in university.

Anyway, if there is a mass exodus from HK to Canada, I'm sure we'll get complaints soon enough about the pace of life being too slow, the economy being anti-entrepreneurial, etc.

[ae101]

lol ok then, u guys try going to different schools in different areas of hk & try to line up just so u can get an interview for your kid

yes as a parent u have no choices i know, if i could i would rather have my kids in canada as chances of getting in to school would be a lot easier & i dont have to pray to god just so i get spot for my kid (HK has shit loads of ppl but very limited space for housing, schooling & what not)

[Mr.HappySilp]

Looks like the gov have nothing new to add to the talks they have with the students. Pretty much they won't back down and are just wasting everyone's time. But who could blame them, they aren't in control of HK, China is. And what China ask the HK gov to say or do, they have to follow.

[dachinesedude]

please, these kids are delusional if they think they can make a difference with this tiny ass, non violent "protest"

beijing is not going to bend over, not in 1989 and not now

[$_$]

please, these kids are delusional if they think they can make a difference with this tiny ass, non violent "protest"

beijing is not going to bend over, not in 1989 and not now

Sometimes, just bringing awareness is making a difference.

[Spoon]

please, these kids are delusional if they think they can make a difference with this tiny ass, non violent "protest"

beijing is not going to bend over, not in 1989 and not now

Any realist knows that this protest will result in nothing. But that's not the point. It's about making a statement and inspiring others to stand up for what they believe in. If Tiananmen Square did not happen, maybe this won't have either.

[asian_XL]

getting crazier today

11.26 雨傘�命 Umbrella Movement - YouTube

so awesome ....whole street of people shout "diu nei lo mo, diu nei lo mo, diu nei lo mo" to the police..lol

[danned]

police is clearing up....damn police

[Mr.HappySilp]

Is over. Should have seen that coming.

[Tim Budong]

im back in HK on friday and wanted to see the shit lol

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

told ya everyone's just gonna pack it up and go home.

there's no debate here. there never was.

[SkinnyPupp]

told ya everyone's just gonna pack it up and go home.

there's no debate here. there never was.
They cleared the occupy sites - that doesn't mean people are going to just give up.

[Traum]

They cleared the occupy sites - that doesn't mean people are going to just give up.
Didn't they only clear out the MK site? I thought the two on the Island side are still intact.

[SkinnyPupp]

Didn't they only clear out the MK site? I thought the two on the Island side are still intact.
I think it's pretty obvious that they're going to clear those next.

[Traum]

Yes, of course the government and the police's plans are to clear out those 2 next. But at this point in the game, I don't think whether the continual existence of the occupation sites matter all that much. The public has seen the great and ridiculous lengths that this government and its police force are willing to go, so the seed "rebellion" (or at least, further civil disobedience) has already been well established in their hearts.

[EmperorIS]

CHINA WILL STAY STRONG

CnC Generals Trailer Chine - YouTube

[TOPEC]

wtf is going on in hk again?

https://www.facebook.com/icablenews/videos/471346843057389/

https://www.facebook.com/icablenews/videos/471275169731223/

LOL @ 0:50 sec

[Fafine]

#fishballrevolution

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/08/asia/hong-kong-riots-shots-fired/

[ilovebacon]

damn they need more cops and good for them not shooting anyone.

[Tim Budong]

#fishballrevolution

seriously, it was stupid last night.....

stupid to shutdown the hawkers on New Years Day, most were doing minding their own peacefully until the protestors showed up

stupid for the Food department to conduct the operation on a busy evening

but the stupid award goes to the protestors turned rioters.. HK Indigenous is what they call themselves, one of their leaders is running or has a seat in the legislature... arrested

the warning shot is fine with me, that one cop got flanked hard from the pallet

[jackmeister]

man, pretty shitty when the protesters can corner and beat the shit out of cops.

[asian_XL]

this cop is mad motherfucker

http://topick.hket.com/res/v3/image/content/1310000/1312442/police_1024.jpg
http://static.apple.nextmedia.com/images/e-paper/20160209/large/1454959452_1b48.jpg
http://static.apple.nextmedia.com/images/apple-photos/apple/20160209/rphoto/1454966402_4c54.jpg

[StylinRed]

theres no such thing as warning shots in hong kong, too densley packed (apartments etc) they're just lucky they missed, it's not like this happened in the outlying villages, this was in mong kok!

the story isnt as interesting as whats going on in Taiwan though, did you guys hear that the building that collapsed is lined with old oil cans and styrofoam?!


this cop is mad motherfucker
http://static.apple.nextmedia.com/images/e-paper/20160209/large/1454959452_1b48.jpg

looks like his colleague was in his line of fire too in that picture

[Manic!]

damn they need more cops and good for them not shooting anyone.

Or they could just stop kidnapping people.

[TOPEC]

looks like his colleague was in his line of fire too in that picture

the 2 warning shots that he fired were both pointed up towards the air

[StylinRed]

the 2 warning shots that he fired were both pointed up towards the air

wonderful, to land anywhere in those shoddy apartments of mong kok, i hope he gets fired

[asian_XL]

Summary of the so-called "riots in Mong Kok"

1. Illegal food trolleys all over MongKok on the first night on CNY
2. Fight between the Food&Hygiene Department inspectors and Hawkers
3. Traffic cop arrived.
4. Extremists called Young and Dangerous to back them up
5. They started digging up bricks on the sidewalk and threw at cops
6. Traffic cops got beaten like shit and mad robo cop shot twice up the sky
7. Extremists went over 9000
8. Poor skinny riot police got their ass kicked until dawn, 90 of them and local news reporters got injured.
9. Mr. Chief Executives "You Go To Jail, Bad Boy!"
10. Gung Hei Faat Choi Firework tonight. THE END.

[Galactic_Phantom]

http://i.imgur.com/Cfa2YFu.jpg

[Tim Budong]

its just that stupid group called Hong Kong Indigenous that started shit. I believe this is the same group linked to the trash can fires by the legislature a couple weeks/months back

[originalhypa]

The National Post just released a picture of the group's leader.

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/riot5.jpg?quality=65&strip=all



:troll::troll::troll:



Srsly tho, you can only push people so far before they rebel. China is used to controlling it's population because they've systematically removed aggressive people from the gene pool over the last 70 years. HK and Taiwan are used to having far more freedom than China wants to give them. I hope it doesn't get all Cultural Revolution over there.

[EmperorIS]

These are not protestors. These are thugs troublemakers who are blaming society for their own misery.

Their actions are intolerable and rejected by the majority of true Hong Kongers.

[originalhypa]

These are not protestors. These are thugs troublemakers who are blaming society for their own misery.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
I know that I would be worried if there was any chance that China would take over my country.

Uh.....

http://cdn4.scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/980w/public/2014/03/12/vancouver_rolls-royce.jpg?itok=vrIQZslU

What was I saying again?

[GLOW]

What was I saying again?

you were bowing to your communist overlords comrade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et-s_GnUNBw

[Traum]

Not entirely sure whether Asian_XL is being serious with the timeline here or not, but I'll add in a bit of background and filler info to round the chronology up. I can't guarantee they are all 100% completely factual, but to the best of my knowledge, they should be true.

In the past, even dating back to as recent as the early years of Hong Kong's sovereignty transfer back to China, the streets have a long standing tradition -- or silent understanding between the authorities and regular citizens -- that the authorities will go easy on the public and let a lot of the non-critical violations slide during CNY. The municipal government understood that for the most part, citizens are law abiding and everyone just want to have a pleasant CNY. Food karts / street hawkers are often part of that tradition -- the venders want to turn in a bit of small CNY fortunes, and citizens are happy to enjoy a little delicious local street food as well.

Dating back even further, street food / hawkers are part of the local HK culture. For those in the age range between 30 - 70, I can't imagine how any of them have not eaten any street food from a hawker. Generations of people literally grew up on particular style of food and vending method.

In light of that, I think it is fair to say that the majority of people did not appreciate the Food & Hygiene Dept's harsh crackdown on the street hawkers. No one actively looks for trouble on CNY.

Summary of the so-called "riots in Mong Kok"

1. Illegal food trolleys all over MongKok on the first night on CNY
2. Fight between the Food&Hygiene Department inspectors and Hawkers
3. Traffic cop arrived.
3.5 Cops (and not just traffic cops) started dispersing the crowds. At first with only pushing and shoving, with the aim to get people back on the sidewalk. But pepper spray and (collaspable) police batons were soon utilized to ensure compliance.
4. Extremists called Young and Dangerous to back them up
5. They started digging up bricks on the sidewalk and threw at cops
4.5 & 5.5 Pockets of dissent are spread out enough that certain police units are kind of isolated. I know of at least 2 pockets of incidents were the police force was thin enough that they were surrounded and beaten / beaten back. One was the traffic cop unit that eventually fired a "warning shot" into the sky. The other was a specialty team called the "Raptor Unit".
6. Traffic cops got beaten like shit and mad robo cop shot twice up the sky
7. Extremists went over 9000
8. Poor skinny riot police got their ass kicked until dawn, 90 of them and local news reporters got injured.
9. Mr. Chief Executives "You Go To Jail, Bad Boy!"
10. Gung Hei Faat Choi Firework tonight. THE END.
If you are not familiar with the daily lives and political climate in HK, I can't even begin to explain to you the enormity of the widespread dis-satisfaction that has long been brewing.

[yray]

Not sure if traffic cop was dumb or trying to be brave. You were getting pwnd L4D style, I think its time to retreat and call back up. Not stand there and pick a fight.

[StylinRed]

Not sure if traffic cop was dumb or trying to be brave. You were getting pwnd L4D style, I think its time to retreat and call back up. Not stand there and pick a fight.

typical Chinese tactic, let yourself get beat to condone harsher actions/controls especially in the future :) and the rioters fell for it

cant believe they glassed a tvb cameraman too -_-

[Traum]

Following various news source from the HK media, it fxxking boils me up that the vast majority of them -- including CCTVB and Ming Pao -- are trying very hard to portray an inaccurate picture of the timeline for the Mong Kong clashes. They don't come right out and lie about the actual times when stuff occurs, but any of their non-live reporting are trying everything they can to spin the story in the direction that it was the rioters that started throwing stuff and clashing against the police first, thus forcing the police to retaliate by cracking down on the violence.

More importantly, while protesters have certainly engaged in a fair share of violent activities, hardly any of the non-live reporting has focused on how the police have engaged in massive amounts of excessive / inappropriate use of violence as well.

[SumAznGuy]

citizens are happy to enjoy a little delicious local street food as well.

Might have been my fault. I ate all the stinky tofu and it was yummy. :chairdance:

[SkinnyPupp]

Following various news source from the HK media, it fxxking boils me up that the vast majority of them -- including CCTVB and Ming Pao -- are trying very hard to portray an inaccurate picture of the timeline for the Mong Kong clashes. They don't come right out and lie about the actual times when stuff occurs, but any of their non-live reporting are trying everything they can to spin the story in the direction that it was the rioters that started throwing stuff and clashing against the police first, thus forcing the police to retaliate by cracking down on the violence.

More importantly, while protesters have certainly engaged in a fair share of violent activities, hardly any of the non-live reporting has focused on how the police have engaged in massive amounts of excessive / inappropriate use of violence as well.
The coverage is sad, and the interpretation of it to the west becomes even worse. Of course the first thing brought up are these dangerous, sketchy sounding "illegal food vendors".

But yeah, these makeshift bazaar areas are a part of HK tradition, and really a part of history throughout all of civilization.

I happen to have some pics of one on my instagram, as I came across it completely on accident and thought it was cool that an area that is usually for commuting was turned into a fairground. People were happy to shop and try the food, and this all happened without regulation or intervention at all

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These "illegal food vendors" or neither dangerous nor an inconvenience. I don't know why they suddenly decided to crack down on them. People count on them. Not everything has to be a chain restaurant owned by a rich mainland tycoon.

[StylinRed]

you do know that not all street vendors are illegal and that they're always getting checked on right? its a running gag in tvshows even (with the illegal ones running for their lives), its just that they normally leave them alone on new years eve and are never violent (none of your pics are showing for me :/)

[SkinnyPupp]

y its just that they normally leave them alone on new years eve and are never violent

That's the point

[asian_XL]

Not sure if traffic cop was dumb or trying to be brave. You were getting pwnd L4D style, I think its time to retreat and call back up. Not stand there and pick a fight.

Background on why they got owned L4D style.
1. It has been long history illegal food vendors coming out 1st day of CNY, police and food inspectors tried to be blind on this
2. Traffic cops were there to deal with a pedestrian accident around 12am, trouble makers alleged they come here to arrest the food vendors.
3. The starting group called for help on FB saying the police was acting up and they need to defend the tradition.
4. Then it's pretty much L4D style afterward.

Keep that in mind, the cop in the video has gun and even he was being attacked, he could have shot those motherfuckers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8mh8GhJrpQ

[Mr.HappySilp]

Is really hard to say who is in the wrong exactly in MK. I feel both sides are at fault at this. Why can't HK do what something like a night market where they setup a location for all food vendors to be and let everyone enjoy the tradition. And also why can't the ppl show a little respect? The police are there to do a job and that is to make sure everyone is safe. Being physical and trying push the police isn't going to help either.

I know there are lot's of issue happening in HK right now and ppl are really unhappy with the gov. Especially ppl around 20 to 30. They feel the gov isn't doing enough to help them, the tradition is being change, the gov is forcing them to change, with no freedom, Mainland Chinese coming to HK and taking all the benfits, not following rules, housing price are too high and they see no way out.

But weather they like it or not HK will change. It started already. The gov is slowing changing the education system, a ton of rich giants company are buying up media station, newspaper and radio stations so slowly we will hear less and less bad things about the gov of HK/China. Soon ppl in HK might not even be able to access FB, goggle service and everything is censored first *just like in China*. Even some of the movie studios in the west are being bought up by Chinese business owner. I think the 2nd biggest theaters in the states are bought by a Chinese business owner.

[ae101]

^
did u know that there is a real estate company called "ling hui" (not sure how to spell it and dont know the English name for it"

they just recently had problems with the local wet market, as they just acquired and they hick the rent price

ppl started to protest

if u give them a place to do this, its gonna end up in some evil real estate hands and there just gonna end up jacking rent prices, sucking money out of the vendors