[asian_XL]

http://youtu.be/w4q8fs8gTIs?list=PLQcmGU2t4gsp4RMgrqnMiaJq24FJyWGh z

youtube live right now, pretty crazy going on here, hopefully no riot and shit


2 months after, it's still the same shit

LIVE in MongKok

11.26 雨傘�命 Umbrella Movement - YouTube

[mr_chin]

Care to fill us in on what is happening?

[EmperorIS]

Care to fill us in on what is happening?

2014 Hong Kong electoral reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[EmperorIS]

OH SHIETTT THEY PUSHING!!!!!!!!!!!

[dogeatcookie]

香港加油

[TOPEC]

i was just about to post this, seems to be getting really intense

[Manic!]

Holly crap the riot police are surrounded.

[Manic!]

Now tear gas!!!

[CP.AR]

The city is a fucking mess. I just passed admiralty station on the MTR. Fucking mess

[CP.AR]

Local media reports rubber bullets being prepared by HKPD

[bcrdukes]

Worst EDM festival ever.

[cheeky_scrub]

Local media reports rubber bullets being prepared by HKPD

I hope they don't switch to live ammo and go full Tiananmen.

[Tim Budong]

Stay safe HK

[asian_XL]

they send cops by trains

[SkinnyPupp]

I was near the outskirts of the protest today, and it is intense even there. Of course the footage speaks for itself. I saw one guy standing at the edge of a bridge, and rescue services had set up a crash pad below him. Not sure what came of that

It is mostly peaceful, although at the front lines police have already sprayed people with pepper spray, and have dispersed tear gas.

As for why the protests, here's a very quick coles notes:

-When UK handed Hong Kong over to the PRC, the "1 country 2 systems" promised autonomy in HK. This includes universal suffrage as an eventual goal. After 2047 PRC could then begin to adapt the two systems together in some way (I guess they assume by then, Taiwan would be happy to join in)

-China has denied the vote for years, most recently for the 2017 election they said that nominees must be vetted by beijing before they could be eligible for election

-Add this to all the attempts at forced cultural influence china is attempting, and tensions have only gotten higher. 2017 was "the last straw" for a proper election, so now this is happening.

[CP.AR]

Off Topic: relavent for RS

Wild Classic Mustang spotted fighting for our rights
https://scontent-b-nrt.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p526x395/10649584_10152757828176974_1241460382796530358_n.j pg?oh=fcef643731ff1db7f8027810a8ab0812&oe=54CE249F

[ae101]

finally someone with some balls stepped to plate & did something thay wasnt just talk

dai yu ting is a moron & so is.that robert chow, both sides are full

welcome to revscene.com.hk

[StylinRed]

may sound harsh but HK has to finally come to accept that they are a part of China and while they have 2 systems its still ultimately controlled by China (it has been that way since '97) and eventually the 2 systems will = 1.

This is the reality that these students have been living in since birth as most of these students were probably born after 1997. This will lead nowhere especially with this universal suffrage case as China is still maintaining that voting rights are still there as Hongers get to vote for 3 approved candidates (lol bs i know but its arguable)

I will say these students deserve major kudos for sticking it out for so long and not backing down from the pressure so far, I just don't see a positive result for their goal but I would love to be proved wrong

[SkinnyPupp]

This is the reality that these students have been living in since birth as most of these students were probably born after 1997.

Completely irrelevant, as Hong Kong didn't have universal suffrage before 1997 either (and there was no need to, as it was always just a leased colony). However it's in the law that they will be universal suffrage... It wasn't a huge issue until the last few elections, as the government continued do things in the interest of the mainland government rather than the HK people. There are so many issues here, from education to health care to the widening income gap.

These students, who most wealthy adults consider nothing more than ignorant kids, see nothing but bad things for their future. They're trying desperately to change that...

However as you said, there's probably not a lot they can do. We all know what the Tienanmen massacre did for china's reputation globally though, and if they manage to do something like that again, who knows what would happen.

[twitchyzero]

. We all know what the Tienanmen massacre did for china's reputation globally though, and if they manage to do something like that again, who knows what would happen.

i don't think it'll ever come to that again but even assuming worst case scenario, the UN and Amnesty Intn'l will just condemn it and continue to do diddly squat :derp:

[Bender Unit]

So both of the protest parties leader were called retreat, but didn't seem people are listening anymore.

[SkinnyPupp]

So both of the protect parties leader were called retreat, but didn't seem people are listening anymore.
Think the call for retreat is just for show?

[lady_mapetite]

i was born in hk but raised in Canada since i was a baby and although i consider myself to be Canadian, seeing this happening in my home town saddens me.

the 1 country 2 system was promised to hk and for 50 years, why can't China be more patient and live up to their promise? i agree that eventually hk will have to assimilate to the governance of PRC but this is not the way to do it, you can't shove down your policies and ideas and expect hk to take it all in. how did hk end up in foreign hands in the first place - China's doing (albeit not willingly). hk can be viewed as a child brought up by foreign parents, exposed and grown under the influence of western culture and although hk has found/returned to its real parents, you can't expect the western influence, ideals and culture to be eradicated just because the biological parents said you can't retain those values anymore.

i also understand that China has to take into consideration the consequences of allowing hk to function as is under the 1 country 2 systems model. the unrest in Mongolia and Tibet are closely monitoring this and will most definitely use this as leverage to gain autonomy from China. but a promise is a promise - China offered 50 years to hk, hk should get those 50 years.

[SkunkWorks]

There's a protest being planned for Vancouver as well. I've never felt compelled to join in any political protests or rallies, but this one takes the cake.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10592693_10154666564840230_5424619856098313740_n.j pg?oh=580429bb7e9a9b45c86467eecbf0c746&oe=548B6629&__gda__=1421371844_0b2808b6d9f5b5a11dabfe1ce368223 5

And on FB: https://www.facebook.com/HOCCHOCC/photos/a.242914560229.306536.100375550229/10154666564840230/?type=1

[SkinnyPupp]

BTW if you want to stay up to date, keep an eye on this post, which is updated in real time with pictures and videos from twitter and facebook

[live] Occupy Central civil disobedience movement (http://www.reddit.com/live/tnc30xhiiqom)

[SkinnyPupp]

10 dramatic photos that show the protests and crackdown in Hong Kong - Vox (http://www.vox.com/2014/9/28/6856663/hong-kong-democracy-protests-photos)

[EmperorIS]

seems like the protest is getting intense in other parts of HK too

[PiuYi]

the biggest win HK can get out of this? denying China Taiwan

TW has been getting closer to China in recent years and I'm sure China's just drooling to snap them up. This should be a warning to TW as to what they're in for if they get in bed with China.

[mr_chin]

The real young and dangerous right here. Mong gok to Tong Lo Wan.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10006206_436139263192238_8419640104232617466_n.jpg ?oh=1f5e01b88a490c2dedb063245b3b4159&oe=54CDDCEB&__gda__=1421530037_c9b953ff2c418a115c0f1136a24f472 6

[EmperorIS]

‪LMF æ�¸ç·Šä¸$指 MV‬‏ - YouTube

[DragonChi]

@mr_chin, LOL

They're not shirtless and tattied.

I wonder how much propaganda/censorship China is putting up right now. I wonder how they'd twist this to their citizens.

The English site for CCTV shows nothing about this. Anyone in China hearing anything on the news?

[Chun~]

saw this on No.3 yesterday

[Tr1ll]

saw this on No.3 yesterday
Translation?

[Special K]

Hong Kong Occupy Central protests: Five things to know - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/27/world/asia/hong-kong-five-things/index.html?c=&page=4)

Some context

[yray]

motorcade in richmond :lol

wanna close hk? just occupy the MTR :troll:

[Not really racist!]

香港警務處 sending in negotiators now

[cheeky_scrub]

saw this on No.3 yesterday

Can't wait for the CCP to order Malcom Brodie to take down that sign, too! :troll:

[Mr.HappySilp]

Friend everything seems fine. He is going to work on the MTR now at Wai Chai.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Completely irrelevant, as Hong Kong didn't have universal suffrage before 1997 either (and there was no need to, as it was always just a leased colony). However it's in the law that they will be universal suffrage... It wasn't a huge issue until the last few elections, as the government continued do things in the interest of the mainland government rather than the HK people. There are so many issues here, from education to health care to the widening income gap.


That is true having experience this first hand while I was in HK for about a week. You seem mega malls being built with mostly big brand names (Element mall came to mind) There is like no one in the mall because of all stores is there (LV, burberry , Gucci just to name a few). There price is way out of reach for locals but not for the mainland people. So all the local shops were being force to close and these shops being built. Actually when I was there at Element there was a tour group from China and this guy purchase a suitcase full of swarovski stuff. It was crazy how they spend money yet they have no class(he actually spit on the floor lol I was like wft....). Also these Mainland Chinese loves to carry around luggages with them but they don't care if it roll over your foot or if they are blocking your path. I saw one time when I was at the MTR someone was carrying the luggage down the escalator and was blocking everyone, someone told this lady to use the elevator next time. This lady started swearing basically saying she can do what she wants and HK is part of China now. You get these little things everyday which disturb your everyday life.

Happen to me too. I was lining up to get a seat at a dim sum place and this Chinese lady decided to cut in front of me. I swear and scream at her in English. She look scare and just back off and went to the back of the line. She mostly doesn't want to deal with someone who doesn't speak her English and I do look bigger than most Chinese in HK. I image if I speak Chinese she would not back out. So you have to deal with these type of little issue constantly which can get to you.

Another issue is the living space. There is literally no personal space yet the HK gov keeps allowing people from Mainland China to flood into HK to take your resource (IE education, health care, your food, your supplies). This might small but image if you live Burnaby but have to drive all the way out to White rock to get your food there because Burnaby is sold out of everything due to all immigration from China, bet you will be piss too. There was an incident back about a year ago when you can't get milk powder for babies because all the people in China are buying them in bulk. Basically you have to travel maybe an hour to a store that's out in the middle of nowhere and hope they have some left.

There is simply not enough housing and have you people paying $2k HK that's around $300 CND just for a bed (a room no bigger than 50sq ft) with no way to improve your living situation. A friend of mine broke up with his gf of 10 years because he can't afford to put a down payment for a place in HK and she can't keep waiting for him. He actually works longer hours than me and have a better job than me yet he is making less than me. I sure feel pretty lucky to be in Vancouver. Sure I might not be making a ton of money or ever will but I live a happy life with little stress, able to afford an apartment and don't have to deal with a lot of stress.

This protest is not just one issue but rather many many many issue together and the people in HK can no longer take it so they just can't handle it anymore. There is just so much more words can't explain. After my last trip to HK, I don't think I will ever want to go back again. Is just too much stress even for a visitor.

[68style]

^
Dude, I went to Superstore in Richmond today and they were sold out of family size Multigrain Cheerios because some lady grabbed the last 4 boxes on the shelf and it was on sale for cheaper than the smaller box with a limit of 4... like she needs 4 boxes of Multigrain Cheerios... it's already pissing me off :D

[Lomac]

Off topic, but...

A friend of mine broke up with his gf of 10 years because he can't afford to put a down payment for a place in HK and she can't keep waiting for him

What a fucking stupid reason to break up with someone.



That is all.

[twitchyzero]

What a fucking stupid reason to break up with someone.


many asian cultures are incredibly materialistic

[Manic!]

Off topic, but...



What a fucking stupid reason to break up with someone.



That is all.

It's really not. She wants to get married and have kids and he can't provide that. Also her biological clock is ticking.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Off topic, but...



What a fucking stupid reason to break up with someone.



That is all.

I guess HK ppl are like that. But then is near impossible for people in HK to actually purchase an apartment these days without the help of parents.

[Iceman_2K]

And its getting more and more common.

[Teriyaki]

It's really not. She wants to get married and have kids and he can't provide that. Also her biological clock is ticking.

Then rent. Find a way to make it work.

It might have been the straw the camels back, but to purely pin it on that would be a dumb reason to break up if they were your soul-mate to begin with.

Anyhow, that is digressing from the topic at hand which is of much greater importance.

I don't see this ending well. China has its back up against a wall here like it or not. It's not going to want to look weak, because a loss here could likely fuel ideas of multiple other protests in other chinese cities for all sorts of issues related to governance. I just hope the leaders of the government, both HK and PRC can think of some way appease the population while doing so in a way that doesn't give rise to a revolution all over the country. I don't have that confidence in them though, so I fear the worst for the people of HK.

[Tim Budong]

I'm proud to be born and raised in Hong Kong

It deeply saddens me that it has come to this, it was inevitable. However, having a much better understanding on this stuff now. The real question I'd like to ask is...

Is Hong Kong ready to support themselves? Especially with how powerful China has gotten in the past 10 years, its going to be tough for this port city to ever re-gain the glory it has gotten before.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I'm proud to be born and raised in Hong Kong

It deeply saddens me that it has come to this, it was inevitable. However, having a much better understanding on this stuff now. The real question I'd like to ask is...

Is Hong Kong ready to support themselves? Especially with how powerful China has gotten in the past 10 years, its going to be tough for this port city to ever re-gain the glory it has gotten before.

I don't think it ever will. China have surpass HK in so many ways now in the International stage. Before HK might still be better but not anymore.


Then rent. Find a way to make it work.

It might have been the straw the camels back, but to purely pin it on that would be a dumb reason to break up if they were your soul-mate to begin with.

Anyhow, that is digressing from the topic at hand which is of much greater importance.

I don't see this ending well. China has its back up against a wall here like it or not. It's not going to want to look weak, because a loss here could likely fuel ideas of multiple other protests in other chinese cities for all sorts of issues related to governance. I just hope the leaders of the government, both HK and PRC can think of some way appease the population while doing so in a way that doesn't give rise to a revolution all over the country. I don't have that confidence in them though, so I fear the worst for the people of HK.

Well I think the HK gov is just going to let things die down. Remember ppl in HK are really forgetful after a few weeks I doubt this many people will still support the protest. Also the people who protest will need to get back their old lives (working, going back to school, taking care of their kids etc etc...) They simply can't afford to be drag on. The PRC isn't going to back down at all.

[yray]

?Chris Patten's speech on his last Policy Address in Hong Kong?? - YouTube

[dvst8]

Was waiting for a parking spot today and damn mainlander comes out of no where and steals my spot. Fuck em! /rant

[ae101]

FYI instagram is blocked by china today as they are afraid.ppl in china will see whats happening in hk

i better stop viewing this thread or else they block rs too

[asian_XL]

It is quite sad and stressful to live in hong kong, if you think Vancouver house price is bad, food is expensive, HK should be much worse.

1. Unstable political environment, apparently CY and his team are only a puppet and local representation of the PRC gov't, rather than the president of a city (unlike Taiwan). From universal suffrage to granting a free-TV license, it's obvious remote controlled by the govn't

2. Limited economy growth. Hongers always want to be number 1 in Asia, but the rankings have dropped compared to other country or cities. The whole economy relies heavily on PRC, retails, investment, imports, real estates, tourism, education, even foods. Hong Kong is still one of the "favourite son" along with Macau, but things start to change.

3. Stressful living in Hong Kong - Hongers are fucking hard workers, people around me they work hard, invest hard, and cheap out hard. You can see how crazy people sell their iphone for $300cdn profit. For what? for better living. A 500sqft now cost 5million at least in any area ($710K cdn), that is like two bedroom apartment. A decent 750sqft 3 bedroom will cost $1.2mil cdn easily. It is impossible for an average dude to afford one, consider the average salary of Hongers is only $12000HKD ($1700cdn). Forget about cars, people who make $35000 a month can barely make a living here.

How difficult is it to climb a corporate ladder in Hong Kong? In general, office staff generates very little income from paycheque in their first 5 years. If you get a degree at age 23, your income will start from as low as $10000 ($1430cdn) to $13000, then probably under $20000 with 5 yrs of experience. You can see people switch job quite often, as annual increment usually offers no more than 4.5% a year. $10000 1st yr, $10450 2nd yr, $10920 3rd yr, $11410 4th yr, $11,930 5th yr , you are still in fucking poverty.

Imagine with such low income and high cost of living, good reason they need to fight for it. Going back to the materialistic case, it is often know as "Honger Girls", they need to find someone rich to get out of poverty.

[SkinnyPupp]

Shit just got real

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Byq0t8CCUAAmOGs.jpg

:ahwow:

[Ch28]

https://twitter.com/MissXQ/status/516270807396270080

[flagella]

Off topic, but...



What a fucking stupid reason to break up with someone.



That is all.

Thanks. Beat me to it. Typical Chinese female mentality. Materialism comes before anything. I'd say the fucking whore wasn't worth keeping anyway. He was a dumbass for wasting 10 years of his time for that bitch.

[SkinnyPupp]

https://twitter.com/MissXQ/status/516270807396270080
I saw that, and assumed it was fake.. at least I hope it is. That's some North Korea level propaganda right there

[TOPEC]

https://twitter.com/MissXQ/status/516270807396270080

LOLS if that is actually real and not a photoshop/fake then HK ppl r gonna flip

[Tim Budong]

It would surprise me that China would broadcast such propaganda

however, this incident has gotten quite the attention of the media and the "netizens" of china are not stupid.

Those knowing how to access the net outside of China will just bash Hong Kong anyways.

[CP.AR]

Isn't phoenix TV from Taiwan?

[ShyGuy]

People in Guangzhou have TVB (local Hong Kong station) and whenever there is news about the situation in HK, it gets cut to commercial.

[Tapioca]

As someone with family members still living in HK, it truly saddens me to see the gradual deterioration of the former colony. I admire HK for its unique identity as possessing the best of Eastern and Western cultures. However, HK is losing this niche and is declining as a centre of world commerce. If there is no rule of law, then HK really serves no purpose other than being just another Chinese special economic zone with traditional Chinese signs.

I feel sorry for the protesters because their efforts are ultimately futile. No, China won't roll in the tanks, but they'll put the pressure on the territory in other ways and the world will turn a blind eye because of China's economic clout. The protesters and/or their parents should really dust off those Canadian/Australian/British passports and leave. A number of Hongers whom I went to school with returned to HK to work and raise families presumably because it was easier for them to get jobs there. I wonder how these people are feeling now? Canada may treat such people with disdain, but at least they can live their lives in peace and give their children a decent shot in life.

[Tim Budong]

As someone with family members still living in HK, it truly saddens me to see the gradual deterioration of the former colony. I admire HK for its unique identity as possessing the best of Eastern and Western cultures. However, HK is losing this niche and is declining as a centre of world commerce. If there is no rule of law, then HK really serves no purpose other than being just another Chinese special economic zone with traditional Chinese signs.

I feel sorry for the protesters because their efforts are ultimately futile. No, China won't roll in the tanks, but they'll put the pressure on the territory in other ways and the world will turn a blind eye because of China's economic clout. The protesters and/or their parents should really dust off those Canadian/Australian/British passports and leave. A number of Hongers whom I went to school with returned to HK to work and raise families presumably because it was easier for them to get jobs there. I wonder how these people are feeling now? Canada may treat such people with disdain, but at least they can live their lives in peace and give their children a decent shot in life.

I completely agree with you on this one. However, those that benefit from having dual citizenship probably already enjoy a better life to begin with.

[kevinC]

There's a protest being planned for Vancouver as well. I've never felt compelled to join in any political protests or rallies, but this one takes the cake.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10592693_10154666564840230_5424619856098313740_n.j pg?oh=580429bb7e9a9b45c86467eecbf0c746&oe=548B6629&__gda__=1421371844_0b2808b6d9f5b5a11dabfe1ce368223 5

And on FB: https://www.facebook.com/HOCCHOCC/photos/a.242914560229.306536.100375550229/10154666564840230/?type=1


lol... protests are in richmond and at the vancouver art gallery... inb4 everyone in richmond

edit: it was supposed to be yesterday... did it actually happen?

[twitchyzero]

i thought it's known that the Mainland Chinese rich enough (by their standards) to take vacations learn more about their government when they travel abroad and see all the biased Falun Gong campaigns than they do back home? More so the middle-aged ones, not the ones that know how to navigate around the Internet uncensored.

[Mr.HappySilp]

It is quite sad and stressful to live in hong kong, if you think Vancouver house price is bad, food is expensive, HK should be much worse.

1. Unstable political environment, apparently CY and his team are only a puppet and local representation of the PRC gov't, rather than the president of a city (unlike Taiwan). From universal suffrage to granting a free-TV license, it's obvious remote controlled by the govn't

2. Limited economy growth. Hongers always want to be number 1 in Asia, but the rankings have dropped compared to other country or cities. The whole economy relies heavily on PRC, retails, investment, imports, real estates, tourism, education, even foods. Hong Kong is still one of the "favourite son" along with Macau, but things start to change.

3. Stressful living in Hong Kong - Hongers are fucking hard workers, people around me they work hard, invest hard, and cheap out hard. You can see how crazy people sell their iphone for $300cdn profit. For what? for better living. A 500sqft now cost 5million at least in any area ($710K cdn), that is like two bedroom apartment. A decent 750sqft 3 bedroom will cost $1.2mil cdn easily. It is impossible for an average dude to afford one, consider the average salary of Hongers is only $12000HKD ($1700cdn). Forget about cars, people who make $35000 a month can barely make a living here.

How difficult is it to climb a corporate ladder in Hong Kong? In general, office staff generates very little income from paycheque in their first 5 years. If you get a degree at age 23, your income will start from as low as $10000 ($1430cdn) to $13000, then probably under $20000 with 5 yrs of experience. You can see people switch job quite often, as annual increment usually offers no more than 4.5% a year. $10000 1st yr, $10450 2nd yr, $10920 3rd yr, $11410 4th yr, $11,930 5th yr , you are still in fucking poverty.

Imagine with such low income and high cost of living, good reason they need to fight for it. Going back to the materialistic case, it is often know as "Honger Girls", they need to find someone rich to get out of poverty.

Bang on. HK relies too much on China now not just economy but for food, water, even power. That's what I talk to my friend about in HK. Is like I am making more than them in Vancouver while they work their ass off. They say the work 10am to 6pm but who leaves at 6? Most of the time they leave more like 8 to 9pm. For what? Nothing, even with all your hard work all you can do is stay alive and barely pay your own bill. For those that haven't live in HK here is what an average family apartment is like (That's if you are lucky enough to have rented an apartment or own one). Usually is a 400 to 500sq ft apartment for a family of 3 to 4 (Parents and kids) or maybe even more people (grandparents). Basically you have no personal space you eat, watch TV, study, read in the same area (or even sleep on the couch). Your monthly rent for such a place if is it private could be $8000 HK at least. If you are lucky and get to rent a low income housing from the gov (which my aunt in HK did) is about $2500 HK. Factor in transportation, food, utilities you really don't have much money save up.

Now not only you have little to none savings every month you also have no way of owning a place. I was walking around in a mall near my aunt place in HK and they have ads on the real estate office decent place goes for around $7.5m HK with cheaper shittier ones for maybe $5.5m at least. A 500sq ft apartment in Vancouver is around $300k CND (That's how much I paid for mine brand new) So that's around $2.1m HK. For same unit in HK it would cost at least triple of that. So is like knowing you have no hope of ever getting out of your hole ever. It sucks.

At least in Vancouver with a decent job and if you are good at saving you can at least afford a small apartment.

I don't blame the HK girls looking to marry someone rich. Who wants to live the rest of their lives in poverty when you have a chance to get better.

Before I visit HK I always though HK is a great place to live in. Public transit is awesome, good yummy cheap food everywhere and you can always get food no matter the time of the day, lot's of shopping centers, tons of electronics that's cheap, Easy to get girls, lot's of stuff to do at night and people is everywhere which makes a live city. Now when I look back I see a lot of struggles people in HK have to live with. I used to complain and gets piss off coz I have to stay an extra 10mins at work with no pay but now I am happy to do that 10min knowing I have it a lot better than my friends in HK.

[CP.AR]

Hong Kong real estate is retarded right now.
seriously...

The government recently put in regulations to curb the hot, bubbly market. I reality, it's just driving up the prices even more and making it impossible for people such as myself (middle class) impossible to buy any sort of property and yet barely doing anything to the crazy mainland money coming in to the city to drive up the prices.

[.Renn.Sport]

I saw that, and assumed it was fake.. at least I hope it is. That's some North Korea level propaganda right there

its very real, it is exactly what all China news media are reporting!

[Mr.HappySilp]

its very real, it is exactly what all China news media are reporting!

lol next thing you know they will said all these people are out trying to buy the new XiaoMi cell phone.

[CP.AR]

Hong Kong Police making a press release right now...

[TOS'd]

.
Stay safe, my other half.

[Verdasco]

half of this thread becomes a hate place for mainlanders, typical revscene..

[asian_XL]

no molotov cocktail, no rock throwing, no gta police car stealing and burning, no idiot with hockey stick ...

http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/riot5.jpg

so this protest is not too serious.

[will068]

half of this thread becomes a hate place for mainlanders, typical revscene..

I notice that with a lot of folks from other countries that are chinese descedants. E.g. Chinese descendants that are Taiwanese, HK Nationals. Filipinos, Indonesians etc.

Just hate and don't want to be associated with Mainland Chinese.

[SkinnyPupp]

half of this thread becomes a hate place for mainlanders, typical revscene..
Really?

[TOPEC]

edition.cnn.com/2014/09/29/world/asia/china-censorship-hong-kong/index.html

not surprised

copy n paste link, donno y RS is embedding it as a video

[asian_XL]

I notice that with a lot of folks from other countries that are chinese descedants. E.g. Chinese descendants that are Taiwanese, HK Nationals. Filipinos, Indonesians etc.

Just hate and don't want to be associated with Mainland Chinese.



It is their culture and value that do not work quite well in our society, that's all.
I do not believe those who can move to Canada still poop in the public.

[TOPEC]

It is their culture and value that do not work quite well in our society, that's all.
I do not believe those who can move to Canada still poop in the public.

well u better believe it, the place i work at, these wealthy chinamen walk arnd indoors holding a cigarette puffing away, spitting their phlem on the carpet, cough with mouths wide open spraying other ppl in the face, generally a rude motherfucker

[ae101]

^
where do u work lol

[SkinnyPupp]

‪Hong Kong protesters sing and light up the streets on second day of protests‬‏ - YouTube

I think this will become the de facto theme song for the movement

‪Beyond - 海闊天空 (Vast Sky & Boundless Sea)‬‏ - YouTube

Lyrics:

Today, I see the swirl of snowflakes in a cold night
I (too) swirl afar with a chilled heart
I give chase braving wind and rain
Unable to make out the shadowy trace in the mist
There’s a boundless sky and sea
Would you and I change?
(Who are not changing?!)

Many times, I face up to cold shoulder and ridicule
Never have I given up the ideal inside my mind
In a fleeting trance
I feel as if something are missing
In an unconscious way
Love has faded from my heart
(Who understands me?!)

Forgive me, I’ve been an unruly, untamed freedom-lover all my life
I too fear I might fall down someday
Abandoning the ideal -- everyone might do it
Don’t worry that only you and I might someday

Still carefree and self-reliant
Forever singing aloud my own song
Going everywhere

[danned]

pretty fucked, you can't go anywhere living in the island side
all you got is MTR and taxis and minibuses

[wingies]

We have democracy, noone gives a fuck and we get like a 30% or sth voter turnout. The govt just does whatever they want over here

HK is fighting so strongly for democracy and look at how many people participate, and show the govt that they wont stand for this shit.

[Mr.HappySilp]

It is their culture and value that do not work quite well in our society, that's all.
I do not believe those who can move to Canada still poop in the public.
Meanwhile in Richmond… (PHOTO)
Mainland Chinese boy urinates in Richmond Centre garbage can (http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2013/08/meanwhile-in-richmond/)

This happen just last year and the parent who allow their kid to pee where yelling at people who were trying to tell them the washroom is only a feet away and peeing in public is not allow.

[Yodamaster]

I don't know why we as a nation are associating ourselves with a Chinese government that prides itself in mass censorship, economics aside, this is sickening behaviour.

I can see why so many rich mainlanders are choosing to move to Canada, I can't imagine how shitty the quality of life is back home. Screw Russia, place the sanctions on China, aimed at the high ranking officials, and see how fast they start to change their attitude.

[Tapioca]

We have democracy, noone gives a fuck and we get like a 30% or sth voter turnout. The govt just does whatever they want over here

HK is fighting so strongly for democracy and look at how many people participate, and show the govt that they wont stand for this shit.

It's all in vein. In my view, these protests are not really about democracy inasmuch as they're about a stand against a rapid erosion of HK identity and culture. HK was fine when it was run from afar by the Brits. Hongers are not Chinese, at least not in the Beijing sense.

[Tapioca]

I don't know why we as a nation are associating ourselves with a Chinese government that prides itself in mass censorship, economics aside, this is sickening behaviour.

I can see why so many rich mainlanders are choosing to move to Canada, I can't imagine how shitty the quality of life is back home. Screw Russia, place the sanctions on China, aimed at the high ranking officials, and see how fast they start to change their attitude.

Even Stephen Harper realized the folly of harping against China. Money talks and makes the world go round. Face it - your job is in someway connected to the growth of China.

[Yodamaster]

Even Stephen Harper realized the folly of harping against China. Money talks and makes the world go round. Face it - your job is in someway connected to the growth of China.


Fuck Harper, he sold us out, he's as Canadian as the dickheads in China that are refusing to allow freedom of press. I've met some great people from China in my lifetime, but I refuse to acknowledge that we are even cooperating with their government.

[.Renn.Sport]

newest update is that in MK and Yuen Long a lot of triad members are beginning to provoke the cops. looting has also begun in MK.

[Tim Budong]

newest update is that in MK and Yuen Long a lot of triad members are beginning to provoke the cops. looting has also begun in MK.

that rumor is bullshit

[Mr.HappySilp]

It's all in vein. In my view, these protests are not really about democracy inasmuch as they're about a stand against a rapid erosion of HK identity and culture. HK was fine when it was run from afar by the Brits. Hongers are not Chinese, at least not in the Beijing sense.

LOL Brits are good politics. Look at HK before 1997 there are no elections yet the people in HK are fine with it. It wasn't until 1997 when the Brits start allowing the people in HK to have more power in their voting rights and show HK they can vote their own leader. Basically the Brits leave this mess for China to handle lol. Also there were much less issue in HK before 1997. Right after 1997 lot's if issue starts to surface (IE the housing marketing crash, Stock market crash, SARS, issue with the chickens and pigs, housing issues). And they try to push rule 23 to people in HK which push people to the edge.

The last few leader in HK have proven they are unable to handle tough situations or rather unable to runt he gov as smooth as the Brits did. Also they are very short sighted least guy (before CY) complete stop the building of affordable housing for a few years which leads HK housing market in a all time high now and people not able to afford an apartment. The fact that the HK gov have millions and millions of surplus every year yet they provide little to help it citizens doesn't help either.

Now don't blame the leaders in HK though, you have to know that they are just a puppet for the gov in China and really it is China who makes all the final decisions. So if the gov in China say no, there is nothing anyone can do.

[.Renn.Sport]

that rumor is bullshit

are you even in Hk right now?

[Tim Budong]

are you even in Hk right now?

no
hahah


looks like shit may go down soon

Police moving on Lockhart

[123654123]

call me selfish but i hope everything works out in HK because if shit gets worst the real estate bubble won't burst and will probably go up...

people will be migrating here and those that left will be coming back

i really don't get why a lot of people that grew up here decided to go back to hk after university...:fulloffuck: sure it'll be easier for you to get a job there with your canadian degree but dollar wise you'd probably make more money here with the same job title

[Tim Budong]

call me selfish but i hope everything works out in HK because if shit gets worst the real estate bubble won't burst and will probably go up...

people will be migrating here and those that left will be coming back

i really don't get why a lot of people that grew up here decided to go back to hk after university...:fulloffuck: sure it'll be easier for you to get a job there with your canadian degree but dollar wise you'd probably make more money here with the same job title

because of potential opportunities

simple as that

[Mr.HappySilp]

because of potential opportunities

simple as that

exactly but to make it to the top only likes 1% or less can do it.

[SkinnyPupp]

newest update is that in MK and Yuen Long a lot of triad members are beginning to provoke the cops. looting has also begun in MK.
It's a bullshit rumor to get people to leave

Though eventually they will resort to inserting provocators into the crowd in order to escalate to violence. This happens all the time when peaceful protests last too long.

[Gumby]

newest update is that in MK and Yuen Long a lot of triad members are beginning to provoke the cops. looting has also begun in MK.

It's a bullshit rumor to get people to leave

Though eventually they will resort to inserting provocators into the crowd in order to escalate to violence. This happens all the time when peaceful protests last too long.
BS rumour from RS's resident bullshitter. I am not surprised!

[SkinnyPupp]

Someone drove their car through the crowd in MK.. Nobody was hurt though. No idea what gave him the idea to do that.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ most likely piss of that he was block and can't get to where he wants to go on time? Or maybe it was CY trying to kill off the protest.

[Spoon]

i really don't get why a lot of people that grew up here decided to go back to hk after university...:fulloffuck: sure it'll be easier for you to get a job there with your canadian degree but dollar wise you'd probably make more money here with the same job title

Before taxes, maybe. After taxes? :heckno:

[yray]

^BENEFITS:troll:

[Carl Johnson]

Even Stephen Harper realized the folly of harping against China. Money talks and makes the world go round. Face it - your job is in someway connected to the growth of China.

the growth of the last 30 years is predominately based on infrastructure investments. face it, china's nothing but a big construction zone. no major innovation breakthroughs out of a 1.3 billion strong nation says a lot about the opaque and corrupt natures of a chinese system that is based on lies and deceptions. it's very unfortunate canada is moving closer to china economically.

[willystyle]

Before taxes, maybe. After taxes? :heckno:
Considering the living environment, before or after taxes, you're better off in Vancouver.

[Spoon]

^
Perhaps. But the statement was about dollars and cents. And if you factor in the double taxation (tax on income + sales tax) we get here, then Canadians are not financially better off, all else equal.

You forgot the opportunity cost of living in HK. Canadians get a relatively better living environment than people in HK. Fresh air, fresh water, beautiful outdoors, and more space is worth something at the very least.

Jcmaz - Don't want to make another post, but read the post above me. You said the same shit he said and I gave my explanation already. Now you speak of opportunity cost. But how about the opportunity to sacrifice what, 5-10 years to live in a lesser living environment so you can actually head home (Vancouver) with a cash down payment in your hands; all the while locals are bitching about affordability? Some people value living conditions, but there are people willing to exchange that for hard earned dollars out there. It may be unfathomable, but have you considered that for a fresh grad, HK is miles more appealing due to the excitement and opportunities the city generates over Vancouver? While I chose to stay in Vancouver, I'm not about to question other people's choices. To each their own.

[jcmaz]

You forgot the opportunity cost of living in HK. Canadians get a relatively better living environment than people in HK. Fresh air, fresh water, beautiful outdoors, and more space is worth something at the very least.

[m3thods]

Jcmaz - Don't want to make another post, but read the post above me. You said the same shit he said and I gave my explanation already. Now you speak of opportunity cost. But how about the opportunity to sacrifice what, 5-10 years to live in a lesser living environment so you can actually head home (Vancouver) with a cash down payment in your hands; all the while locals are bitching about affordability? Some people value living conditions, but there are people willing to exchange that for hard earned dollars out there. It may be unfathomable, but have you considered that for a fresh grad, HK is miles more appealing due to the excitement and opportunities the city generates over Vancouver? While I chose to stay in Vancouver, I'm not about to question other people's choices. To each their own.

You forgot the opportunity cost of living in HK. Canadians get a relatively better living environment than people in HK. Fresh air, fresh water, beautiful outdoors, and more space is worth something at the very least.

Are you choosing not to read his posts? It seems like you're really stretching that Econ101/102 education a bit too far there.


Sort of back on topic. Most of the stories out of HK are in Chinese. I was wondering whether there was a reputable news source updating the situation in HK? BBC/Reuters seem to come to mind, but are there any else (especially those of you actually in HK actually suggest)?

[Verdasco]

Really?

?? I am serious. This thread needs a clean up with some of these washed up posts imo.

[asian_XL]

are you even in Hk right now?

Hyde, are you a triad in Yuen Long? :concentrate:


i really don't get why a lot of people that grew up here decided to go back to hk after university...:fulloffuck: sure it'll be easier for you to get a job there with your canadian degree but dollar wise you'd probably make more money here with the same job title

You will never get it. Really, are you even a Chinese?
Sure you get a lot of Chinese speaking people in Vancouver, but in general they do not think Vancouver is their HOME. Many people's root is still in Hong Kong, the immigration wave in the early 90s didn't bring all their family members to Canada.

For example, my dad was born in HK and has 7 siblings, 3 in HK and 4 in Calgary. He still has properties, cars and memories in HK, so his root is in HK not Canada, even though he lived in Vancouver for 15 years. He moved back with the reason, that's the place he was born.

Speaking of jobs, it's not about opportunities, as I mentioned in last page, wage in HK is very low in the first 5 years or even longer if you are stuck in particular industries. Employment rate is always low, but those low-end jobs never get filled, which means full employment makes it tougher time fighting with other U graduates.

Luckily I am in the finance side here, people around me are either oversea graduates, or first honour from UK or with Master degree. It is tough to fight your way up.


Cost of living is different in HK, you should know. No GST/PST bullshit, max income tax rate is 17%, cost of investment is low, you don't need a car to travel around, so buying a car, fuel, insurance, maintenance can be cut. Utilities are cheap here too, gas, electricity, land tax, internet.

[v_tec]

i really don't get why a lot of people that grew up here decided to go back to hk after university...:fulloffuck: sure it'll be easier for you to get a job there with your canadian degree but dollar wise you'd probably make more money here with the same job title

Why? Mommy and daddy will feed them. Minimum half a dozen of high limit credit cards for them to spend at Lan Kwai Fong each weekend and at least a few bimmers and sport cars for them to drive.

Just look at Hyde. Perfect example.

[spoon.ek9]

I just got back from a vacation in HK. Over a couple of weeks I spent a lot of time talking to friends, family friends, acquaintances, and some older folks. Even before all of this current news, a LARGE majority of my highschool friends expressed interest in returning to Vancouver. There are certain advantages in HK (different opportunities, huge night life, better shopping, lower income tax, a giant market) but the disadvantages have weighed heavily on them all.

Even though we're the same age, tbh, they all look pretty stressed out and tired. Simple things like open space, fresh air, fresh water, cost of driving, recycling and a less stressful environment are things we take for granted here in Canada. Once you experience HK, these differences are magnified ten-fold. They all had different reasons for returning to HK after highschool/university but the overall mentality is "I'm done with HK. If you can find me a job as soon as I land, I will move back to Vancouver tomorrow".

Work expectations out in HK are also pretty crazy. A 9-6pm job translates to 9-8pm on the regular with meetings and other events scheduled after work as well. A friend of mine occasionally has to work 9am-11pm simply because of the nature of the job. That's ridiculous. HK is a real nice place to vacation in but I sure as hell appreciate Vancouver even more than I did before. To each their own, but you really need to know what you're stepping into when you move to HK.

Again, all of this didn't even factor in the political problems. I for one hope my friends choose to come back here ASAP.

[asian_XL]

Returning to Vancouver is just a way to escape reality. lol
I was in a wedding of my highschool friend, they also have plans to move back to Vancouver, but that's for their kids only.

imo, unstability means opportunity. If the smarties really leave Hong Kong, competition will be less. My boss always tells the story which people immigrates in the early 90s, even though he was a highschool dropout, he got promoted frequently to fill the management gap. Life will be easier if people leave. Thank you very much.

[SkinnyPupp]

the growth of the last 30 years is predominately based on infrastructure investments. face it, china's nothing but a big construction zone. no major innovation breakthroughs out of a 1.3 billion strong nation says a lot about the opaque and corrupt natures of a chinese system that is based on lies and deceptions. it's very unfortunate canada is moving closer to china economically.
I generally agree, but I think they will lead the way in genetic research (think cloning), having the benefit of not being held back by religious leaders in power and their idiotic, irrational ideals.

[SkinnyPupp]

?? I am serious. This thread needs a clean up with some of these washed up posts imo.
Report them then. I don't see anything bad

[tonyzoomzoom]

I believe the general public only want to make sure everyone has "3 meals a day and a roof over your head". And these very basic needs are being threatened right now. But having the ability to choose your leader will not resolve this concern.

No one ever cared about democracy and the right to choose their leader when HK was under British rule. Why is that? Because the economy was humming along and the public could care less about politics.

If they don't turn their focus to the economy and park the democracy issue, HK could see dark dark days ahead.

[v_tec]

Chinese Consulate Vancouver right now.

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[Special K]

I understand the fustration in Hong Kong. But really nothing they can do about it. I don't see any other country will/can step up and defend HK.

Off topic:

I moved to Vancouver from HK in elementary school. Most of my family is there and I sure as hell won't move back to work.

The only reason I go back for vacation is family. Nothing attracts me to go there for vacation.

Job?
Work-life balance. My job provides good pay.

Chinese/asian Food?
Vancouver is awesome - try any other city in Canada. Diaherria all day in HK every time.

Fresh air?
Vancouver

Nightlife?
Not interested. Waste of money.

Shopping?
States or Europe or online

Education?
Any city in North America

Kids?
Kids should play and learn, not compete with other kids when they are 18 months old.

Culture?
Generally people are rude and loud in Hong Kong.

[twitchyzero]

Work expectations out in HK are also pretty crazy. A 9-6pm job translates to 9-8pm on the regular with meetings and other events scheduled after work as well. A friend of mine occasionally has to work 9am-11pm simply because of the nature of the job. That's ridiculous. HK is a real nice place to vacation in but I sure as hell appreciate Vancouver even more than I did before. To each their own, but you really need to know what you're stepping into when you move to HK.


+1

just visit anywhere in east asia...japan singapore taiwan
extremely fast-paced...fully loaded days, many don't take saturdays off and would probably kill to have your typical vancouver full-time job

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ LOL you mean a job where I can talk about hockey and the hockey pool with my manager for an hour and not get in trouble?

[iEatClams]

newest update is that in MK and Yuen Long a lot of triad members are beginning to provoke the cops. looting has also begun in MK.

maybe the chinese government can just hire people to start trouble and start riots and make the hongers look bad and that will force china to send in troops to shut down the protests because "rioters" are getting violent.

[SkinnyPupp]

maybe the chinese government can just hire people to start trouble and start riots and make the hongers look bad and that will force china to send in troops to shut down the protests because "rioters" are getting violent.
This happens a lot actually, you don't deserve the fails. It's called Agent Provocateur

[ae101]

maybe the chinese government can just hire people to start trouble and start riots and make the hongers look bad and that will force china to send in troops to shut down the protests because "rioters" are getting violent.

lol chinese government has full faith in CY that he will resolve this, thats what the chinese government said (dad was reading phoenix tv headlines last night)

then after this government will tell CY to step down but giving him a some crappy health reason (just like dong chi hua)

[asian_XL]

I understand the fustration in Hong Kong. But really nothing they can do about it. I don't see any other country will/can step up and defend HK.

Off topic:

I moved to Vancouver from HK in elementary school. Most of my family is there and I sure as hell won't move back to work.

The only reason I go back for vacation is family. Nothing attracts me to go there for vacation.

Job?
Work-life balance. My job provides good pay.

Chinese/asian Food?
Vancouver is awesome - try any other city in Canada. Diaherria all day in HK every time.

Fresh air?
Vancouver

Nightlife?
Not interested. Waste of money.

Shopping?
States or Europe or online

Education?
Any city in North America

Kids?
Kids should play and learn, not compete with other kids when they are 18 months old.

Culture?
Generally people are rude and loud in Hong Kong.

Then you should really stay in Vancouver if you really think like this. Below is my prespective after staying here for 7 year

Job: You always get a choice, if you don't like 9-8 working style, you are free to quit. I now work 9-6 Mon - Fri and be able to make decent amount. Always influence your co-worker to work smart. I tend to pick boss that is young and married, easier to work with.

Food: You get work you pay for. $25 tea menu is no longer the $25 tea menu you get in 2005. Always openrice and pick your restaurant.

Fresh Air: Do you need it when Aircon every-fucking-day.

Shopping: Taobao, period

Education: Any bachelor degree works quite well in HK. I will enrol my kids to local school no matter what, learn discipline and math before they pick their own university.

Kids: learn and experience the hardship when they are small, then they know what's valuable in the future.

Culture: What culture? I still Revscene everyday. :fuckyea:

[twitchyzero]

Fresh Air: Do you need it when Aircon every-fucking-day.


:fuckthatshit:

[spoon.ek9]

You can't seriously be comparing air conditioning to fresh air in Canada...

I was there for mid August to September. 30-35 degrees Celsius and like 100% humidity. It was fucking disgusting lol.

[SkinnyPupp]

Arguing about wanting or not wanting to live in HK is pointless. If you don't like it, don't live there. It has nothing to do with this topic anyway

[ae101]

Culture: What culture? I still Revscene everyday. :fuckyea:

:fullofwin:

[123654123]

Worst EDM festival ever.

????????? ???????? - YouTube

[68style]

Arguing about wanting or not wanting to live in HK is pointless. If you don't like it, don't live there. It has nothing to do with this topic anyway

Nevermind the whole grass is always greener / always want what you don't have thing. Pointless.

I'd like to move to HK because it sounds exciting there and Vancouver is so effing slow........ but after a few years I can guarantee I'd be complaining about how I want to move back because I just want to chill... humans are so fickle :)

[SkinnyPupp]

There are positives and negatives to anywhere you choose to live... For me the positives outweigh the negatives, and most of the negatives to do with working life/crowdedness/etc don't affect me anyway.

And FWIW the air where I live is cleaner than anywhere in the lower mainland anyway

[wingies]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=877958012223267&fref=nf

[SkinnyPupp]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=877958012223267&fref=nf
That isn't Hong Kong btw

[v_tec]

Worst EDM festival ever.

They are actually hosting their "first ever" edm festival tonight. But I guess it just got started early :troll:

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[EmperorIS]

awww fuk nvm

[Manic!]

And FWIW the air where I live is cleaner than anywhere in the lower mainland anyway

I find that really hard to believe.

Live: Hong Kong Air Quality Levels | Greenpeace East Asia (http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/campaigns/air-pollution/work/air-pollution-truth-index/)

entral/Western Air Quality Health Index: 8
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.11 times)
Eastern Air Quality Health Index: 8
No pollutants found exceeding WHO standard
Kwun Tong Air Quality Health Index: 8
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.34 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.33 times)
Sham Shui Po Air Quality Health Index: 7
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.24 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.34 times)
Kwai Chung Air Quality Health Index: 8
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.03 times)
Nitrogen Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.08 times)
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 1.05 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.44 times)
Tsuen Wan Air Quality Health Index: 8
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.03 times)
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.39 times)
Yuen Long Air Quality Health Index: null
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.26 times)
Tuen Mun Air Quality Health Index: 9
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.05 times)
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.16 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.29 times)
Tung Chung Air Quality Health Index: 10
Ozone (exceeding WHO standard by 0.03 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
Tai Po Air Quality Health Index: 9
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.03 times)
Ozone (exceeding WHO standard by 0.10 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.40 times)
Sha Tin Air Quality Health Index: 8
Ozone (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.23 times)
Tap Mun Air Quality Health Index: null
Ozone (exceeding WHO standard by 0.56 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.15 times)
Causeway Bay Air Quality Health Index: 6
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.11 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.43 times)
Central Air Quality Health Index: 6
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
Mong Kok Air Quality Health Index: 8
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.16 times)
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.17 times)
Roadsides (Average) PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.01 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.25 times)
Generals (Average) PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.25 times)
Average PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.25 times)

Also
HongKong Air Pollution: Real-time PM2.5 Air Quality Index (AQI) (http://aqicn.org/city/hongkong/)

[SkinnyPupp]

I find that really hard to believe.

Live: Hong Kong Air Quality Levels | Greenpeace East Asia (http://www.greenpeace.org/eastasia/campaigns/air-pollution/work/air-pollution-truth-index/)

entral/Western Air Quality Health Index: 8
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.11 times)
Eastern Air Quality Health Index: 8
No pollutants found exceeding WHO standard
Kwun Tong Air Quality Health Index: 8
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.34 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.33 times)
Sham Shui Po Air Quality Health Index: 7
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.24 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.34 times)
Kwai Chung Air Quality Health Index: 8
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.03 times)
Nitrogen Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.08 times)
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 1.05 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.44 times)
Tsuen Wan Air Quality Health Index: 8
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.03 times)
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.39 times)
Yuen Long Air Quality Health Index: null
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.26 times)
Tuen Mun Air Quality Health Index: 9
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.05 times)
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.16 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.29 times)
Tung Chung Air Quality Health Index: 10
Ozone (exceeding WHO standard by 0.03 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
Tai Po Air Quality Health Index: 9
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.03 times)
Ozone (exceeding WHO standard by 0.10 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.40 times)
Sha Tin Air Quality Health Index: 8
Ozone (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.23 times)
Tap Mun Air Quality Health Index: null
Ozone (exceeding WHO standard by 0.56 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.15 times)
Causeway Bay Air Quality Health Index: 6
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.11 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.43 times)
Central Air Quality Health Index: 6
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
Mong Kok Air Quality Health Index: 8
PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.16 times)
Sulphur Dioxide (exceeding WHO standard by 0.14 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.17 times)
Roadsides (Average) PM10 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.01 times)
PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.25 times)
Generals (Average) PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.25 times)
Average PM2.5 (exceeding WHO standard by 0.25 times)

Also
HongKong Air Pollution: Real-time PM2.5 Air Quality Index (AQI) (http://aqicn.org/city/hongkong/)
Yes it's really bad today, in the city. I'm at a relatively high altitude though, so it's not too bad even today. Usually it's considered low.

[Traum]

Sort of back on topic. Most of the stories out of HK are in Chinese. I was wondering whether there was a reputable news source updating the situation in HK? BBC/Reuters seem to come to mind, but are there any else (especially those of you actually in HK actually suggest)?
If you are expecting to the minute stuff, that would be really difficult to find. I've managed to see some CCN, BBC, and Time coverage, but none of them report in the non-stop, on-going basis that various social media feeds are supplying. SCMP requires subscriptions, and even them don't offer to-the-minute coverage.

[SkinnyPupp]

For 'the minute stuff' in English, follow this post, updated live

[live] Occupy Central Civil Disobedience Movement (http://www.reddit.com/live/tnc30xhiiqom)

[.Renn.Sport]

I really wonder how many ppl really think this protest is gonna change anything.

[Traum]

It likely won't change anything in the immediate term. But the moment riot police fired tear gas canisters on the entirely pacifist crowd, the future of Hong Kong has forever been changed.

At the time (of the tear gas firing), the majority of protesters are still likely highschool and university students. When they experience that kind of treatment at such a young age, the incident will forever be etched into their minds. The level of distrust can probably never be undone.

[SkinnyPupp]

I really wonder how many ppl really think this protest is gonna change anything.
That's the question people ask during literally every single democracy movement that has ever occurred in history, successful and otherwise.

[Vege]

I have a 18 year old homestay student from China and he was upset about the whole situation. I generally do not talk politics nor religion with any of my students as it can be quite sensitive but today, the student actually brought up what has been happening in HK with me.

He was angry that people in Hong Kong would rise up against China because HK belongs to China and he doesn't think they have a valid reason for the protest. According to my student, HK does still have the ability to vote and he also questioned why didn't the people of HK protest against the British while under their rule.

I just told him that generally people protest because they are not happy with the current situation. Maybe there was a reason people in HK didn't protest against the British to the same degree because they were content with the situation. People in HK are still allowed to vote if China pushes through the change for 2017 but the candidates are chosen ahead of time. Voting becomes irrelevant if you are restricted on who you can vote for.

I only provided logic to the debate and I believe my student understood that there are both sides to every argument. Hopefully he understands to think critically and to try to see things from other perspectives.

[CP.AR]

I have a 18 year old homestay student from China and he was upset about the whole situation. I generally do not talk politics nor religion with any of my students as it can be quite sensitive but today, the student actually brought up what has been happening in HK with me.

He was angry that people in Hong Kong would rise up against China because HK belongs to China and he doesn't think they have a valid reason for the protest. According to my student, HK does still have the ability to vote and he also questioned why didn't the people of HK protest against the British while under their rule.

I just told him that generally people protest because they are not happy with the current situation. Maybe there was a reason people in HK didn't protest against the British to the same degree because they were content with the situation. People in HK are still allowed to vote if China pushes through the change for 2017 but the candidates are chosen ahead of time. Voting becomes irrelevant if you are restricted on who you can vote for.

I only provided logic to the debate and I believe my student understood that there are both sides to every argument. Hopefully he understands to think critically and to try to see things from other perspectives.

The Governor back then actually cared for (at least for the most part) Hong Kong and its future. Sure, decisions were made that were in the interest of the UK, but the end result was never too detrimental for Hong Kong. They also actually took in public opinions and acted on those.

These Chief Exec. Puppets put in by the mainland however, don't give a shit.
0 fucks are given by the puppet government.
A blank paper has more fucks on it than the amount of fucks those guys give
hell, France had more self-governance when Germany occupied it in WW2

They haven't even tried to take in any public opinion. All these "consultations" were answered with "sorry, cannot - China government won't allow". About the "autonomy" they promised Hong Kong for the next 50 years. Bull fucking shit. it's like telling a kid they can do whatever they want in a candy store BUT buy any candy.

[asian_XL]

:facepalm: white people in the protest, is that you skinny? lol

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77892000/jpg/_77892565_thomasdifonzo.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

No, but why would you facepalm "white people" supporting protesters by keeping them fed? These people, who presumably come from democratic countries themselves, have donated their time and money to support the movement.

[SkinnyPupp]

I have a 18 year old homestay student from China and he was upset about the whole situation. I generally do not talk politics nor religion with any of my students as it can be quite sensitive but today, the student actually brought up what has been happening in HK with me.

He was angry that people in Hong Kong would rise up against China because HK belongs to China and he doesn't think they have a valid reason for the protest. According to my student, HK does still have the ability to vote and he also questioned why didn't the people of HK protest against the British while under their rule.

I just told him that generally people protest because they are not happy with the current situation. Maybe there was a reason people in HK didn't protest against the British to the same degree because they were content with the situation. People in HK are still allowed to vote if China pushes through the change for 2017 but the candidates are chosen ahead of time. Voting becomes irrelevant if you are restricted on who you can vote for.

I only provided logic to the debate and I believe my student understood that there are both sides to every argument. Hopefully he understands to think critically and to try to see things from other perspectives.
You can tell him that they did protest against Britain, about many things. The thing is, Britain's rule over Hong Kong allowed for open opinions, freedom of speech, etc. HK was only ever a temporary colony, and it was run as such. There was no reason to set up a full democracy when it was only going to be handed over to ccp anyway. HK fought against the handover, but that was never going to happen. What britain did was set it up so they could have a universal suffrage under a "1 country 2 systems" program. Unfortunately that promise is what they're fighting over now.

[CP.AR]

Also relevant to rs (from the reddit live link skinny posted)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10482390_352882008196063_5615015521701171877_n.jpg ?oh=867d1674d04c0806dd78da8ba5767f38&oe=54CAE0A2&__gda__=1421274138_f751f102c3619027286d250ac9ce1a5 8&dl=1

[SkinnyPupp]

For those unaware, 689 refers to the amount of "votes" the current chief executive got to win his position.

[EmperorIS]

The Public Relations Department of the Police Force has confirmed a suicide case of a policeman in North Point Police Station at 2am with an unknown reason. It was reported that a sound of single shot was heard.

[Traum]

For those unaware, 689 refers to the amount of "votes" the current chief executive got to win his position.
Conveniently (and perhaps more importantly), it is also a colloquial slang that literally mocks him as being "fxxking useless".

The Public Relations Department of the Police Force has confirmed a suicide case of a policeman in North Point Police Station at 2am with an unknown reason. It was reported that a sound of single shot was heard.
I did a quick search on this news item, and the only reference I can find are the Reddit feed and a Twitter account of what is likely a Caucasian reporter describing this news. Until further details and elaborations are given from official channels (ie. the HK Police force in a press conference / on their website), I urge all parties to consider this as an unofficial, unverified, and unconfirmed report that may or may not be related tothe Occupy Central / Umbrella Revolution. Police officers are traditionally among the highest risk group to commit suicide.

[Manic!]

Apple daily interviewed Joshua Wong (i think?) after he was released from jail. He was standing with 2 older white guys. After he finished taking questions the white guy started taking questions. So it looks like there are some white people high up in the protests.

[Traum]

Apple daily interviewed Joshua Wong (i think?) after he was released from jail. He was standing with 2 older white guys. After he finished taking questions the white guy started taking questions. So it looks like there are some white people high up in the protests.
I am almost certain one of the Caucasian fellow is his lawyer.

On a less serious note, the other is probably the rumoured US marine that taught Joshua all the self defence and combat training stuff. :troll:

[yray]

^lawyers

Inby Manic! writes for the peoples daily :troll:

[SkinnyPupp]

Conveniently (and perhaps more importantly), it is also a colloquial slang that literally mocks him as being "fxxking useless".


I did a quick search on this news item, and the only reference I can find are the Reddit feed and a Twitter account of what is likely a Caucasian reporter describing this news. Until further details and elaborations are given from official channels (ie. the HK Police force in a press conference / on their website), I urge all parties to consider this as an unofficial, unverified, and unconfirmed report that may or may not be related tothe Occupy Central / Umbrella Revolution. Police officers are traditionally among the highest risk group to commit suicide.
Hong Kong police inspector kills himself inside North Point station | South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1605159/hong-kong-police-inspector-kills-himself-inside-north-point-station)

He shot himself in the head twice, and left a note. They aren't saying what the note had on it but it definitely "has nothing to do with the protests"

[SkinnyPupp]

Local politician shows up to the flag raising ceremony with a yellow umbrella

https://twitter.com/alisha1803/status/517155573595271168

:fuckyea:

[GLOW]

does the yellow umbrella signify something significant? or is it just the fact he's sporting a yellow umbrella with zero fucks given?

[twitchyzero]

the firing squad's probably coming for him :lawl:

[SkinnyPupp]

does the yellow umbrella signify something significant? or is it just the fact he's sporting a yellow umbrella with zero fucks given?
Yellow is the colour use by the movement (if you want to show support tomorrow, you should wear yellow), and umbrella is the symbol and the name/hashtag (#UmbrellaRevolution)

Umbrella became the symbol as they have were first used to block pepper spray, then to block the sun, then to block thunderstorms last night

[EmperorIS]

How are the crowd levels? Pics on reddit made it seems like alot of streets are empty now. But can't really tell since the live feed is gone.

[Tim Budong]

here

[live] Occupy Central Civil Disobedience Movement (http://www.reddit.com/live/tnc30xhiiqom)

just follow this. its been running on my second screen

[EmperorIS]

No I meant like a live video stream of the crowd... i like watching that stuff :P

nvm i just found it .. i'm going nuts

[Energy]

^ link?

[Tim Budong]

Its in the link I posted..on the side bar..
if not...just HOLA extension and hook it up to TVB.com

[SpeedStars]

?????? 426???? - YouTube uh...

[SkinnyPupp]

How are the crowd levels? Pics on reddit made it seems like alot of streets are empty now. But can't really tell since the live feed is gone.
It slows down during the day, as people go to home to sleep (and during the week many have to go to work).

It picks up each afternoon with 10's of thousands of people spread throughout 3 main protest sites (Admiralty, Causeway Bay, Mong Kok). A smaller one is forming at TST as well.

[Obsideon]

Things that could only happen in a Hong Kong protest (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-29423147)

[rsx]

Heading there for halloween weekend, should i look into cancelling my trip?

[SkinnyPupp]

Heading there for halloween weekend, should i look into cancelling my trip?
Even if your trip was today, you would be fine.

[twdm]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=982342808459317
Rofl. Mainland paid shit starter. Basically people just following him watching him tear down signs. He just keeps yelling if you want to beat me up just tell me. Everyone else is just like :fuckthatshit: no one wants to hit you.

[mr_chin]

IMO, the protestors are not going to win.

[EmperorIS]

hehe i like how that guy says no one wants to hit you .. jo meh jek... so cute

[Gululu]

too simple, sometimes naive is the best phrase to describe these hongers

[twdm]

too simple, sometimes naive is the best phrase to describe these hongers

Peacefully protesting for their rights is something that should be admired versus staying silent and taking it up the ass. As someone who lives in a country with guaranteed freedom, would you just sit there when the government decides to take away your freedom?

This is the issue with kids born into a free society who take it for granted.

[Traum]

The full and complete version of an earlier incident has been made available. IMO, this video really needs to go viral so that Hong Kong would have a chance to identify this piece of human trash and have him prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

HK Police Inspector Pepper Sprays an Elderly Man Straight in the Eye 港警直射老人眼睛　1分27秒完整版曝光 | 20141001 | (http://www.appledaily.com.tw/realtimenews/article/new/20141001/479752/)

[Manic!]

IMO, the protestors are not going to win.

They have already won.

[SkinnyPupp]

High res version of the old lady who got pepper sprayed while telling other protesters to back off

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3927/15221752460_ef50cf9c8d_o.gif

I wish it went a bit longer; look at the reactions of the police who were surrounding him

[chouchou]

the officer right beside the perp even motions for him to quit it... just absolutely ridiculous

[EmperorIS]

Hey by the way.... here's a can full of shit

[Tim Budong]

It pains my heart to see what is happening right now, looks like the crowds got bigger.
I understand its a HUGE uphill battle. but goddamn...

Please let all this end peacefully with a fair resolution.

I am a proud Hong Kong Citizen. Our identity is at risk. Our future is at risk. Please let this end peacefully

[SkinnyPupp]

Here's the full video (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=667194286727564&set=vb.471775219602806&type=2&theater).. She was a protester telling the others to back off

And the guy looked like he regretted it right after doing it

[Tim Budong]

Here's the full video (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=667194286727564&set=vb.471775219602806&type=2&theater).. She was a protester telling the others to back off

And the guy looked like he regretted it right after doing it

definitely looked like it.

The sudden surge of power the police had most likely got to his head.
It sucks

[Traum]

Regret or not, what is done is done. And when something is done, you just gotta deal with the consequence.

I hope he gets the book thrown at him.

[Tim Budong]

Regret or not, what is done is done. And when something is done, you just gotta deal with the consequence.

I hope he gets the book thrown at him.

Probably not, HKPD will protect him so the public won't shame him.

Reading a tweet saying HKFS will be surrounding Gov't HQ unless CY steps down.

yeesh...

This kid is a strong one. doesn't matter if he has people telling him what to do or not.

[SkinnyPupp]

CY Leung's daughter seems like a nice girl

https://i.imgur.com/wXQHsnY.jpg

[bcedhk]

So, Anonymous Supporting Movement in HK
Greetings world. We are Anonymous. It has come to our attention that recent tactics used against peaceful protestors here in the United States have found their way to Hong Kong. To the protestors in Hong Kong, we have heard your plea for help. Take heart and take to your streets. You are not alone in this fight. Anonymous members all over the world stand with you, and will help in your fight for democracy. To the Hong Kong police and any others that are called to the protests, we are watching you very closely and have already begun to wage war on you for your inhumane actions against your own citizens. If you continue to abuse, harass or harm protestors, we will continue to deface and take every web-based asset of your government off line. That Is not a threat. It is a promise. Attacking protestors will result in releasing personal information of all of your government officials. We will seize all your databases and e-mail pools and dump them on the Internet. This is your first and only warning. The time has come for Democracy for the citizens of Hong Kong. The line has been drawn in the sand. The police are to protect, not trample on, the freedoms and democracy of their citizens. Until justice prevails hack and protest will replace it. The cause of security and democracy will be grounds for the assault on your virtual infrastructure. Take this opportunity to stand down while we give it to you, or it will get a lot worse. Operation Hong Kong engaged. We Are Anonymous. We Are Legion. We do Not Forgive. We do Not Forget. Government of Hong Kong, expect us.

Just updated on the newsfeed

[SkinnyPupp]

:lawl:

[Mr.HappySilp]

CY Leung's daughter seems like a nice girl

https://i.imgur.com/wXQHsnY.jpg

I think CY have family issue to being with? There was a pic posted on CY's daughter website where she cut her wrist and CY and his wife basically deny it only having his daughter admit there is a family issue.

[SkinnyPupp]

She could be trying to throw him under the bus

But I have actually known people to be this stupid, so it's hard to say for sure.

[Teriyaki]

They named their daughter with the same initials.. CY Leung..:suspicious:

[xpl0sive]

High res version of the old lady who got pepper sprayed while telling other protesters to back off

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3927/15221752460_ef50cf9c8d_o.gif

I wish it went a bit longer; look at the reactions of the police who were surrounding him

that's a lady? I'm 99% sure that's a man

[Tim Budong]

His daughter told us to "collect skin"

NOT COOL MAN!

[wingies]

If its true that anonymous is gonna back up HK...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bMP9ag2POUg/UnYfMnubp6I/AAAAAAAAOkc/XKrdYIJsnmo/s1600/just-got-real.gif

[Spoon]

If its true that anonymous is gonna back up HK...

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. But these cyber vigilantes are nothing more than hooligans. Sure they'll draw some eyes on the subject matter, but they rarely contribute anything to the cause.

[flagella]

lol @ anonymous.

[jk6221]

Off Topic: relavent for RS

Wild Classic Mustang spotted fighting for our rights
https://scontent-b-nrt.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p526x395/10649584_10152757828176974_1241460382796530358_n.j pg?oh=fcef643731ff1db7f8027810a8ab0812&oe=54CE249F

That is the symbol of FREEDOM right there.

[Teriyaki]

Like Beijing would care if hk police was hacked. In fact, that'd just give them more reason to send in prc troops, citing the inability of hk police.

Go after the real puppet master instead of the puppets.

[CRS]

Like Beijing would care if hk police was hacked. In fact, that'd just give them more reason to send in prc troops, citing the inability of hk police.

Go after the real puppet master instead of the puppets.

Could we all agree to stop using vague/ambiguous metaphors in an attempt of making a point?

I mean, wouldn't be a much better point if you just said who this "real puppet master" is instead of making a general statement that really boils down to nothing?

[Teriyaki]

Maybe I failed revscene English 101. I think it's sufficiently clear from the paragraph above( and general knowledge of the situation) that the puppeteers would be the Beijing government. Not too sure why it's so offensive to be making a metaphor, if it bothers you feel free to pm and clarify with me. And.. Back to the real issue at hand.

[CRS]

Maybe I failed revscene English 101. I think it's sufficiently clear from the paragraph above( and general knowledge of the situation) that the puppeteers would be the Beijing government. Not too sure why it's so offensive to be making a metaphor, if it bothers you feel free to pm and clarify with me. And.. Back to the real issue at hand.

So which is it? The puppet master (a singular term) or puppeteers? And how do you suppose they "go after them"?

Do you really the like of some mediocre hackers are able to take on an entire state?

[Tim Budong]

anyways.....

Heres Chai Yan ready to go to central

http://i.imgur.com/ICNKN5w.jpg
This cunt can't be any worst...heading to Central, Attack me if you dare dumbass

HA

she disturbed

[yray]

At least put up a show :lol, basically fucking up popularity for her dad.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0e/2d/36/0e2d36886a92cafdd97917b3add4a7c7.jpg

Patten's daughter on the royal yacht before leaving HK.

[Teriyaki]

So which is it? The puppet master (a singular term) or puppeteers? And how do you suppose they "go after them"?

Do you really the like of some mediocre hackers are able to take on an entire state?

Grammar police time. Puppeteers. Also known as, the Beijing Government, which in essense controls the HK Government, and therefore controls the HK Police force.

I'm not telling them to do anything. But they're targeting the wrong group is all i'm saying. The police have already changed their tactics after the gongshow that was the first night of protests.

Lets face it though , Anon is not likely going to amount to anything anyways so its a moot point. Although, I would love to see them do some damage to the great firewall of China and expose their citizens to what they're so desperately hiding.

[twitchyzero]

Could we all agree to stop using vague/ambiguous metaphors in an attempt of making a point?

I mean, wouldn't be a much better point if you just said who this "real puppet master" is instead of making a general statement that really boils down to nothing?

So which is it? The puppet master (a singular term) or puppeteers? And how do you suppose they "go after them"?

Do you really the like of some mediocre hackers are able to take on an entire state?

:seriously:

[v_tec]

anyways.....

Heres Chai Yan ready to go to central

This cunt can't be any worst...heading to Central, Attack me if you dare dumbass

HA

she disturbed


Link to her profile? Doesn't appear on my FB search when I type her name in.

[guesswho]

Link to her profile? Doesn't appear on my FB search when I type her name in.

Her fb has been deactivated as of around 12pm yesterday

[asian_XL]

http://www.pixentral.com/pics/1tHLR76lH7JlVygC9k8utOFQMv3du.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Police were openly transporting what appear to be crates of weapons (tear gas/rubber bullets/etc)... Either a scare tactic, or they intend to use force tonight

[Qmx323]

Grammar police time. Puppeteers. Also known as, the Beijing Government, which in essense controls the HK Government, and therefore controls the HK Police force.

I'm not telling them to do anything. But they're targeting the wrong group is all i'm saying. The police have already changed their tactics after the gongshow that was the first night of protests.

Lets face it though , Anon is not likely going to amount to anything anyways so its a moot point. Although, I would love to see them do some damage to the great firewall of China and expose their citizens to what they're so desperately hiding.

And then China accuses US of cyber guerrilla warfare, then in turn WW3 begins

Thus begins, the start of the end.

/joke

[Tim Budong]

Cy to hold a press conference in respond to HKFS in 30min

Wishing the people well.

[SkinnyPupp]

Whatever the outcome, I hope they can remain peaceful. Keep occupying if it's bad, but don't try to overrun the police.

That HKU Vice Chancellor's speech really seemed to calm both sides

[SkinnyPupp]

Looks like same old shit.. sending in Carrie Lam to discuss political reform "within the framework of Basic Law"

Also warned people not to surround the Government House

They're basically letting the protesters decide if they want to escalate things, or if they'll keep calm and eventually go away I guess

[Mr.HappySilp]

Looks like same old shit.. sending in Carrie Lam to discuss political reform "within the framework of Basic Law"

Also warned people not to surround the Government House

They're basically letting the protesters decide if they want to escalate things, or if they'll keep calm and eventually go away I guess

Typical HK gov. Let things die down and then start arresting the leaders of the protest.

[Manic!]

Any live video feeds?

[TOS'd]

Any live video feeds?

Check out the sidebar on the right, there are a bunch of sources there for you to choose from.

[live] Occupy Central Civil Disobedience Movement (Umbrella Revolution) (http://www.reddit.com/live/tnc30xhiiqom)

[asian_XL]

this is what in my head last night, CY is finding holes to hide

[Manic!]

So the white guy who is running to police just said that one of the officers has just collapsed. So they need to clear the road so the ambulance can get threw.

10 .2ä½”ä¸$ç�¾å$´ Occupy Central Live Broadcast - YouTube

[Manic!]

Shits about to happen

[Drow]

i really wonder how the HK police feel right now.

obvs a lot of them probably support the movement but they still gotta do their job

money talks mane

[asian_XL]

Regardless the situation or what they are feeling, police should do their job no matter what. A friend of my wife works as a constable messaged us earlier saying that he has been standing in Admirality for 18hr straight, rested 4hrs and stood again. They are exhausted, but they are trained to be neutral in this kind of situation.

[SkinnyPupp]

i really wonder how the HK police feel right now.

obvs a lot of them probably support the movement but they still gotta do their job

money talks mane
Police are neutral in their jobs. There have been a few freakouts, but generally the HKPD are famously good. That's sure to change in the coming years, but right now people don't really have anything against them.

[SkinnyPupp]

Communist thugs are trying to provoke occupy protesters.. Tearing down not only their signs (which I guess means you just disagree with them - I have been tempted to tear down communist propaganda myself), but their tents and trying to destroy their supply holding. Also yelling at them, throwing things at them, and generally being cunts trying to disrupt the peace.

[Culverin]

Communist thugs are trying to provoke occupy protesters.. Tearing down not only their signs (which I guess means you just disagree with them - I have been tempted to tear down communist propaganda myself), but their tents and trying to destroy their supply holding. Also yelling at them, throwing things at them, and generally being cunts trying to disrupt the peace.

It was only a matter of time before the provocateurs were sent in.
Edit: Sorry, I should say "activated".

Also, somebody linked me to this today.
Is this legit?
Or is this guy making stuff up?

What's Happening in Hong Kong is Not What You Think | China Uncensored - YouTube

[twdm]

They sent in more provocateurs. They're literally charging police to attack the protesters. You can watch the live stream on tvb of mainlanders kicking and swarming people.

"5.30pm: The site of the Mong Kok protest site descends into violence as several hundred anti-Occupy protesters broke through police lines and started smashing up protest tents and attacking students. A group of mostly male anti-Occupy protestors appeared to be taking commands from a middle-aged Putonghua-speaking woman wearing a face mask using a loud hailer at the junction of Argyle Street and Nathan Road. The thin line of police separating opposing sides was stretched to breaking point, and finally gave way shortly after 5pm. Soon after more police arrived as the tense stand-off continued."

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1608680/live-student-protesters-await-dialogue-date-lung-wo-road-open-traffic?page=3#comment-130387

[SkinnyPupp]

It was only a matter of time before the provocateurs were sent in.
Edit: Sorry, I should say "activated".

Also, somebody linked me to this today.
Is this legit?
Or is this guy making stuff up?

What's Happening in Hong Kong is Not What You Think | China Uncensored - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eob49hfqCAc&)
Very interesting, I don't really follow mainland internal politics so that's all I can say... Interesting

[SkinnyPupp]

This is seriously fucked up... It has been so peaceful until now (initial clash notwithstanding)... Look at it now

Asia Today - Video - The Wall Street Journal - Wsj.com (http://online.wsj.com/public/page/asia-today-video.html)

[SkinnyPupp]

Hong Kong Protests: Anti-Occupy Mob Trashes Mong Kok Protest Site (http://time.com/3460072/occupy-hong-kong-central-protest-pro-china-backlash/)

Just... so sad :(

[Culverin]

A comment I found on reddit regarding provocateurs.


Guy from Ukraine checking in. We had our violent dictator overthrown this winter.
Forget about peaceful protest, you are not going to achieve anything with it. It just doesn't work with authoritarian governments, you'll be forced either to disperse or to go violent. If you have the resolve for the latter, better be prepared.
Get yourselves a stock of food, water and medical supplies. You'll need them when they block the roads around you. Talk to your friends and relatives. Those who are not in the center of the protests should participate by supplying. After people have invested even a tiny bit of effort or money into the protests they are likely to support them more.
Authorities will be sending provocators. They'll try to do as much damage to the public property as they can, so that authorities will have a moral right to attack you as hooligans. Be on the lookout, if you see a provocator - punish him.
Don't let the police to take the protesters out of the croud. They are able to do it only because they don't fear retaliation from the crowd. Start with blocking policemen and their vehicles, if things turn violent - try to use prevailing quantities.
Start wearing helmets and masks - it will moderately protect you and will help you to not be identified by the cameras. Get yourselves some shields and sticks like the police has. They are very easy in production, you can crowd-fund that. If police starts to use flashbangs - protect your legs from grenade shards with motorcycle gear or thick pieces of foam sleeping pads.
Also: Don't let the ambulance take your injured to official hospitals: they could get arrested there. Better crowdfund and create an independent medical service to assist with first aid on the spot.
Ask your questions, if any.





warningkchshch comments on Police fire tear gas as Occupy Central spreads and ranks of protesters swell (http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/2horri/police_fire_tear_gas_as_occupy_central_spreads/ckuo241)



Short of waiting things out, I think provocateurs are the CCP's most logical solution.
Unless I'm mistaken, HK people generally have the societal norm of being non-interfering bystanders.
They are not the type to interfere with Bus Uncle or that dude who's GF bitchslapped him.

First aid, social media and supply stations seems to say they are very good at self-organizing,
But are the up to the task of shutting down provocateurs and self policing?

I really don't know the HK culture that well, does anybody have thoughts on this?

[NKC ONE]

So apparently the guy that drove the Benz thru the protester area in MK is back out and says the cops are not prosecuting him.

Next Plus (http://nextplus.nextmedia.com/news/spot/20141003/89927)

[asian_XL]

10 .3雨傘é�©å‘½ç�¾å$´ Umbrella Revolution Live Broadcast - YouTube

It is crazy tonight

[SkinnyPupp]

Yeah the communist thugs and triad goons have certainly turned it into a shit show in MK

I still haven't decided if it's the government who sent them there, or the oligarchs running the businesses on Nathan that have been affected... Though I suppose in the end it's the same fucking people either way

Occupy leaders have called off talks with the government until they get rid of these fuckers

[SkinnyPupp]

There are SO many reports of police showing leniency to these thugs, but arresting the 'innocent' democracy protesters... That seems like such bullshit to me. But a lot of people are reporting it... I don't know what to think right now

[CP.AR]

FUCK THE PKLICE.

[Mr.HappySilp]

There are SO many reports of police showing leniency to these thugs, but arresting the 'innocent' democracy protesters... That seems like such bullshit to me. But a lot of people are reporting it... I don't know what to think right now

The police are told what to do not what should been done.

[SkinnyPupp]

The police are told what to do not what should been done.
You don't know that

The police are told to keep the peace. They decide how that should be done.

[Mr.HappySilp]

You don't know that

The police are told to keep the peace. They decide how that should be done.

Let's arrest the peaceful protestor and lave the communist people who are causing trouble and trying to start fight alone and don't arrest them.

[twdm]

Apparently they got caught red handed. These two triad thugs pretending to be drunk started beating people up, got caught, arrested and then released to beat up more people. This time the occupy people who recognized them earlier came and surrounded those fuckers and recorded everything on camera.

[SkinnyPupp]

A lot of what you guys are referring to are embellishments posted by the pro-democracy people. I'm on their side, don't get me wrong. But misinformation and embellishment can come from both sides.

It's more likely that the HKPD are just trying to keep people safe any way they can. I'm sure there have been arrests on both "sides" and in some cases, they just get people out of there and tell them to go home.

[twdm]

A lot of what you guys are referring to are embellishments posted by the pro-democracy people. I'm on their side, don't get me wrong. But misinformation and embellishment can come from both sides.

It's more likely that the HKPD are just trying to keep people safe any way they can. I'm sure there have been arrests on both "sides" and in some cases, they just get people out of there and tell them to go home.

Actually no. It was caught on video and the police didn't even deny it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Actually no. It was caught on video and the police didn't even deny it.
Deny what?

Are you saying the police are working WITH the triads?

[twdm]

Deny what?

Are you saying the police are working WITH the triads?

They didn't deny that they just released two people accused of assault with at least 30 witnesses with video evidence only to have them attack people again. They weren't even going to ask them for ID (which is standard practice for any crime in HK).

The best video is of these asshats swarming a 10-12 year old kid who was being escorted out by the police and leaving him with a bloody mouth.

[SkinnyPupp]

They didn't deny that they just released two people accused of assault with at least 30 witnesses with video evidence only to have them attack people again. They weren't even going to ask them for ID (which is standard practice for any crime in HK).

The best video is of these asshats swarming a 10-12 year old kid who was being escorted out by the police and leaving him with a bloody mouth.
Maybe it's because they're outnumbered 100:1, and are more concerned with making sure people don't kill each other in the streets? It takes less resources to just remove someone than it does to book them and investigate an accused crime.

[twdm]

Maybe it's because they're outnumbered 100:1, and are more concerned with making sure people don't kill each other in the streets? It takes less resources to just remove someone than it does to book them and investigate an accused crime.

Because tossing someone in a jail cell and throwing out the key is hard? They attacked police as well. You don't need any more evidence to put them in jail overnight.

Now all they've done is piss the protesters even more. There goes any last shred of trust with the police, and people are going to claim (whether true or not) that they collaborated with the triads.

[NKC ONE]

I don't think sending them off to take a taxi is the official way to handle this.

[twdm]

Amnesty international issued a statement condemning the failure of hk police to protect citizens.

Amnesty International | Hong Kong: Women and girls attacked as police fail to protect peaceful protesters (http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/hong-kong-women-and-girls-attacked-police-fail-protect-peaceful-protesters-)

[StylinRed]

saw it on the news fights broke out and the police had to fight their way between them and create a buffer zone

its just typical honger/asian behaviour of making mountains out of mole hills to try and support their side of the argument

[Traum]

They didn't deny that they just released two people accused of assault with at least 30 witnesses with video evidence only to have them attack people again. They weren't even going to ask them for ID (which is standard practice for any crime in HK).

The best video is of these asshats swarming a 10-12 year old kid who was being escorted out by the police and leaving him with a bloody mouth.
There is also video of what appears to be people from the blue ribbon camp strolling out from the police office to meet up with other blue ribbon supporters, and having a little briefing talk:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=876721715686291

While this is certainly only circumstantial evidence that couldn't stand on its own, when you combine that with the leniency that the police has shown towards the blue ribbon camp, it's highly suggestive of how the two are collaborating.

[GLOW]

Amnesty international issued a statement condemning the failure of hk police to protect citizens.

Amnesty International | Hong Kong: Women and girls attacked as police fail to protect peaceful protesters (http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/hong-kong-women-and-girls-attacked-police-fail-protect-peaceful-protesters-)

pretty ballsy of a guy to sexually assault girls in front of protesters. surprised the guy didn't get beaten down by a mob.

[TOPEC]

maybe the anti-protesters/thugs r police officers after all?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1470191_584837301628273_522003762871974278_n.jpg?o h=f2e563f49ed54021c35bec9265a7d71f&oe=54B5C3F4&__gda__=1421005921_bdbde02acda51220ad7dcfdb7094f21 7

i havnt been following closely since day 2, but watching the clips of the clashes, i find it interesting how these "anti-protesters" speak cantonese with an accent... oh china...

[NKC ONE]

pretty ballsy of a guy to sexually assault girls in front of protesters. surprised the guy didn't get beaten down by a mob.

I find it a lot more ballsy to sexually assault a girl and then punch a protester right in the face in front of the police. I really can't separate who the cops and the anti-protesters are anymore.

After watching at least 5 different fights breaking out on live TV today, the cops managed to officially arrest 2 people, 1 of which is a student protester that didn't even fight, the other unknown.

Edit: Cops saying they picked up 19 people now. 8 of which are suspected to have triad connections.

[CP.AR]

i really don't know what to believe anymore

[flagella]

Some decent coverage here with lots of pics:

Hong Kong Pictures Show Rage Meeting Defiance As Ugly Clashes Break Out Over Pro-Democracy Protests (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/03/hong-kong-protest-pictures_n_5926578.html)

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/372726/slide_372726_4326338_free.jpg

Shit, Nicholas Cage, is that you?

[SkinnyPupp]

maybe the anti-protesters/thugs r police officers after all?

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1470191_584837301628273_522003762871974278_n.jpg?o h=f2e563f49ed54021c35bec9265a7d71f&oe=54B5C3F4&__gda__=1421005921_bdbde02acda51220ad7dcfdb7094f21 7

i havnt been following closely since day 2, but watching the clips of the clashes, i find it interesting how these "anti-protesters" speak cantonese with an accent... oh china...
This is the kind of misinformation that does nothing but hurt the protesters' cause.