[pastarocket]

-breaking news about three attacks on people in Paris.

At least 18 people killed in three attacks in Paris: Reports - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/11/13/several-reported-dead-in-paris-shooting/)

At least 18 people were killed in shootings in central Paris late Friday, CNN affiliate BFMTV reported.

The network reported there was a hostage situation at one of the three sites where shootings took place. BFMTV said the ongoing hostage situation was at a theater named Bataclan.


There was a lockdown at the Stade de France due to possible explosions, according to French media. President Francois Hollande was at the stadium, watching France playing world champions Germany in a friendly soccer match, but he left to go to the Interior Ministry.

Police were outside the scene of one of the shootings, a restaurant in the 10th District.

What is the world coming to????? :facepalm:

[6o4__boi]

just savage...rip

inb4 thread becomes a long convoluted argument featuring some religious, geopolitical and racial undertones.

[Berzerker]

Charles in Charge in 5.... 4.... 3....

RIP Paris.

Berz out.

[pastarocket]

CNN is reporting that hostages are being held in a theater in Paris.

These acts of evil are making me sick. :QQ:

Who are these sick bastards that are doing this to France??

[Hondaracer]

Isis/isil/etc?

Time to flatten the Middle East.

[Sid Vicious]

lets make a wild guess which religious group committed these attacks...could be mormons, hindus...buddhists...satanists

[dragondragon99]

hurting...

[BoostedBB6]

"A man who was inside the theatre when the gunmen entered told a French radio station that the men shouted 'Allah Akbar' as they opened fire."

And you wonder why so many are against a huge influx of new immigrants these days.....this worlds so screwed.

[dlo]

dam heard its up to 60 now.. shooting at a restaurant, 3 bombings outside of the soccer stadium and hostage situation at a music venue/ movie theatre..

[shawnly1000]

French Pres. Hollande says state of emergency declared & France's borders will be closed.

[StylinRed]

you guys missed the russian airliner that exploded on return from egypt? 224 ppl died, suspected military grade bomb planted aboard

[Sid Vicious]

lets hope this makes justin trudeau seriously consider taking in all those fucking syrian refugees

[iEatClams]

I can't help it, but this shit seriously makes me soo angry. I'm sick to my stomach. Such senseless violence and loss of innocent lives.

I can't help but imagine the families that this affected. Children now without a father/mother. Parents who now lose their sons/daughters. Husbands/Wives lost, friends, families and loved ones. They will wonder like if only they decided to go to another threatre or restaurant that day.

Fuck those that are responsible.

[mr_chin]

came in here thinking paris hilton got attacked.

2/10 thread.

[shawnly1000]

It is the first time since the Nazis occupied Paris in 1944 that there has been a curfew in the City of Light

[StylinRed]

lets hope this makes justin trudeau seriously consider taking in all those fucking parisian refugees
edited to try and bring a little sense to you and ur supporters

you realize those refugees are trying to escape these same attacks X10000 that's happening to them and their families everyday? not only by ISIS but also by Syrian/American bombing raids...

[BoostedBB6]

mr_chin that's a really shit thing to say. Hope your ass gets banned for that.

[dat_steve]

2/10 thread.

i bet you're a real hit at parties

[jonwon]

Is this the biggest terrorist attack since 9/11?

[Sid Vicious]

edited to try and bring a little sense to you and ur supporters

you realize those refugees are trying to escape these same attacks X10000 that's happening to them and their families everyday? not only by ISIS but also by Syrian/American bombing raids...

okay, you're welcome to host them in your house then, which i'm sure you will do, right?
or you can pay for their food and accomodation
i don't see why canada has an obligation to provide for these people considering the potential security risks they carry.

if canada went tits up tomorrow, do you think syria or any middle eastern country would give a fuck about our refugees?

Lawrence Solomon: Sweden?s governments collapsing under weight of refugees | Financial Post (http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-swedens-governments-collapsing-under-weight-of-refugees)

[Galactic_Phantom]

came in here thinking paris hilton got attacked.

2/10 thread.

Remove yourself from the gene pool

[CorneringArtist]

Reports rolling in that 100 are dead at the Batacalan Theatre.

[Chronix]

Arrested one guy. Claimed is ISIS from Syria.

[Tone Loc]

okay, you're welcome to host them in your house then, which i'm sure you will do, right?
or you can pay for their food and accomodation
i don't see why canada has an obligation to provide for these people considering the potential security risks they carry.


This. I've said it once in a previous thread, and I'll say it again here. Canada, as a country, should help their own people before opening the doors and letting a flood of refugees in. All of these bleeding-heart refugee advocates need to take a walk down the Downtown East Side and understand that there are plenty of people in Canada who are suffering from addiction, poverty, hunger, mental illness, and abuse who, IMO, should take priority over the citizens of another country (especially when these same citizens pose great security risks). How, exactly, is Canada supposed to fund the housing and social programs for these refugees when there are so many people within our borders who clearly don't get the help they need?

Plus, the average DTES transient is not likely to scream "Allah Akbar!" and bomb a public place. Not that I am saying ALL Muslims are evil, but as an atheist I believe that all religions, when taken to the point of extreme fanaticism, have the capacity for great evil. It certainly doesn't help that the vast majority of "terror" attacks that have occurred lately are perpetrated by people who believe themselves to be Muslim. Couple this with the undeniable fact that the West is directly responsible for the evil that is currently occurring in the Middle East, and I am sure many Syrians are aware of this. It's hard to say that all of them will come here with good intentions.

Condolences to all of the victims and their families. We can't reverse these senseless acts, but we can take the proper steps to ensure that future risks are minimized...

[StylinRed]

you must not realize what is to be Canadian after all those years of having Harper around... we help those in need, it's what we've always done

if you help people based solely on guesstimating if they'll help you back, you're a POS

The "whats in it for me attitude" just doesn't fly, and if more people were selfish like that nothing would ever happen, The Dutch wouldn't have been saved by Canada in WW2, those locked in concentration camps would all be dead, ethnic cleansing would always succeed

as for if i'll be hosting any refugees, no, i've simply no room here, but my parents do run a foundation which is actively supporting many charities which does encompass aid for refugees....but i don't see what that has to do with anything

conflating terrorists with the refugees who are escaping terror is absolutely absurd! and i suspect stems from bigotry

[will068]

edited to try and bring a little sense to you and ur supporters

you realize those refugees are trying to escape these same attacks X10000 that's happening to them and their families everyday? not only by ISIS but also by Syrian/American bombing raids...

It would be great to get people from all sides to discuss this.

From my perspective, how do you distinguish between the real refugees and migrant opportunists?

[Mr.C]

Death toll is likely going to be 200-300 when all is said and done.

Odds are Europe, and consequently the rest of the world, are going to seriously rethink their immigration and refugee policy; even if it comes out that none of them were recent arrivals to France, the damage has been done.

Gonna suck for the real refugees, but what can you do? The real world is a scary and evil place; opening up your borders just to be nice and do the right thing comes at a cost.

[Armind]

140 as of now.. damn.

[Mr.HappySilp]

"A man who was inside the theatre when the gunmen entered told a French radio station that the men shouted 'Allah Akbar' as they opened fire."

And you wonder why so many are against a huge influx of new immigrants these days.....this worlds so screwed.

The terrorists shouted 'Allah Akbar' and 'this is for Syria' as they burst in and opened fire, witnesses have said

Paris shooting leaves 60 dead as terrorists hold hostages at Bataclan concert hall | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3317776/Machine-gun-fire-heard-central-Paris-police-flood-scene-not-far-Charlie-Hebdo-shootings.html)

and you wonder why I am against letting Syrian refugees in.

[Sid Vicious]

you must not realize what is to be Canadian after all those years of having Harper around... we help those in need, it's what we've always done

if you help people based solely on guesstimating if they'll help you back, you're a POS

The "whats in it for me attitude" just doesn't fly, and if more people were selfish like that nothing would ever happen, The Dutch wouldn't have been saved by Canada in WW2 those locked in concentration camps would all be dead, ethnic cleansing would always succeed

as for if i'll be hosting any refugees, no, i've simply no room here, but my parents do run a foundation which is actively supporting many charities which does encompass aid for refugees....but i don't see what that has to do with anything

conflating terrorists with the refugees who are escaping terror is absolutely absurd! and i suspect stems from bigotry

classic limousine liberal logic. cries out that everyone should have a duty to help refugees when he himself is unwilling to do anything personally. also cries out "bigotry" and "intolerance" when there seems to be a very clear and common denominator to all these barbarous acts being perpetuated almost daily.

there is nothing tolerant about about tolerating intolerance. islam is a barbarous and backwards ass ideology and is a cancer on the world. prove to me otherwise

[Jmac]

It would be great to get people from all sides to discuss this.

From my perspective, how do you distinguish between the real refugees and migrant opportunists?
They're targeting single mothers with children, young families, and those with Canadian relatives as those tend to be the lowest security risks.

If you're a single male, you basically have no chance as they're the highest security risk.

[StylinRed]

classic limousine liberal logic. cries out that everyone should have a duty to help refugees when he himself is unwilling to do anything personally. also cries out "bigotry" and "intolerance" when there seems to be a very clear and common denominator to all these barbarous acts being perpetuated almost daily.

there is nothing tolerant about about tolerating intolerance. islam is a barbarous and backwards ass ideology and is a cancer on the world. prove to me otherwise


as for me doing nothing personally, i do donate 15-20% of my income to charities, i simply noted that i had no room to house migrants...but thanks also for admitting that you're a bigot makes continuing on with you pointless

[Sid Vicious]

as for me doing nothing personally, i do donate 15-20% of my income to charities, i simply noted that i had no room to house migrants...but thanks also for admitting that you're a bigot makes continuing on with you pointless

uh huh
http://www.thebenevolentforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/wpid-IMG_14824538994750.jpeg

[shawnly1000]

Facebook has set up this tool to find people you may be worried about in Paris tonight.

https://www.facebook.com/safetycheck/paris_terror_attacks/

[Tapioca]

Gonna suck for the real refugees, but what can you do? The real world is a scary and evil place; opening up your borders just to be nice and do the right thing comes at a cost.

And if the West hadn't toppled dictators in Iraq, Libya, and other countries, there wouldn't have been this mass exodus of people looking to save themselves.

[Vansterdam]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12241706_1106698089362543_6231424121532042200_n.jp g?oh=da44b4973127043cf7815f2aea2880c5&oe=56ACBA2B

[CP.AR]

bunch of fucking yahoos. they really need to go suck a duck


edit: I see this thread has started to turn into another yelling and screaming session. Congrats to the parties involved!

[iEatClams]

It would be great to get people from all sides to discuss this.

From my perspective, how do you distinguish between the real refugees and migrant opportunists?

Yup, more education and discussion is great imo. Stylin Red made some very good points.

This is also a question that I have. I would like your Red's opinion on this, as it's not an easy straight forward topic.

In europe, many of the refugees are found to be economic migrants that are not from Syria who pretend to be syrian. They don't speak arabic, have fake ID's pretending to be Syrian and are actually from bangladesh or African.

What do we do with these "refugees" then, do we send them back. Keep them? I feel morally we have an obligation to help them. But where does it stop. How many do we take in.

[iEatClams]

This was one of the top comments from Reddit that resonated with me.



I want to cry. This is happening in my town. I'm not leaving in Paris anymore, but this is still my city. I'm fed up of those idiots. I'm an ex-military, I understand war. I would understand killing soldiers.
But those guys just kill innocents. They kill everyone, anyone. They disfigure my city. I'm fealing tired, I'm just crying right now because they are creating such hate in me. I am one of the people in France advocating for acceptations of every religion, despite being atheist. I am one of those that want to accept immigrants in, to let them settle here.
But then you get those guys .. I am slowly feeling less and less inclined to any form of sympathy toward muslims and islam. This is not me, but I can't help it.
Where are the muslim countries when it comes to fight ISIS ? Why is it still the western world fighting them ? ISIS would have been over in a month had any of the big muslim countries fought them.
And muslims in France, they keep telling us "it's not us"; but those terrorists are born here. They're the brothers, cousins, fathers of those telling us "it's not us". Yes it's you. It's your fault for not stopping them, too.
I guess my comment is racist, bigoted and vitriolic. I am sorry. I am just depressed. But all they managed to do with each attack is to strenghten our resolve to fight them as a country.

[boostfever]

Isis/isil/etc?

Time to flatten the Middle East.

stupid thing to say. there's also 4 million muslims in France. kill em all while you're at it.

[Jmac]

Yup, more education and discussion is great imo. Stylin Red made some very good points.

This is also a question that I have. I would like your Red's opinion on this, as it's not an easy straight forward topic.

In europe, many of the refugees are found to be economic migrants that are not from Syria who pretend to be syrian. They don't speak arabic, have fake ID's pretending to be Syrian and are actually from bangladesh or African.

What do we do with these "refugees" then, do we send them back. Keep them? I feel morally we have an obligation to help them. But where does it stop. How many do we take in.
Canada normally accepts between 10,000 and 14,000 refugees each year. This year, Trudeau has set out to take in an additional 25,000 refugees specifically from Syria.

As I mentioned, they are targeting people from low security risk demographics. In addition, they'll be screened before coming to Canada and screened again upon arrival before being placed into a resettlement program.

I'm not sure what they'll do with people found to make fraudulent claims regarding their origins.

[svelt]

The terrorists shouted 'Allah Akbar' and 'this is for Syria' as they burst in and opened fire, witnesses have said

Paris shooting leaves 60 dead as terrorists hold hostages at Bataclan concert hall | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3317776/Machine-gun-fire-heard-central-Paris-police-flood-scene-not-far-Charlie-Hebdo-shootings.html)

and you wonder why I am against letting Syrian refugees in.

I have good friends that have booked flights to Paris over the next couple of weeks to take advantage of that $600 deal that was floating around. Thank God they have cancellation insurance.

They say if you hide in fear, the terrorists win... but I say better to be cautious than dead. (Also better to be alive than politically correct - if I ever hear anyone yell Allahu Akhbar in a foreign country I'm getting the fuck outta dodge).

RIP to all those affected in Paris. I'm surprised the footy match continued on while the attacks were going on (and finished with a resounding 2-0 French victory no less)

[Lomac]

I have good friends that have booked flights to Paris over the next couple of weeks to take advantage of that $600 deal that was floating around. Thank God they have cancellation insurance.

They say if you hide in fear, the terrorists win... but I say better to be cautious than dead. (Also better to be alive than politically correct - if I ever hear anyone yell Allahu Akhbar in a foreign country I'm getting the fuck outta dodge).

Probably the safest time to visit, given the knee jerking that will now inevitably follow. My dad flew to New York on 9/11/02. His reasoning was that it would likely be the safest day of the year to fly there, given all the extra security. Plus airliners were basically giving seats away just to fill 'em. lol

RIP to everyone killed in Paris tonight. I've actually been to a couple of the places where there were shootings and bombings and couldn't imagine what must have happened there.

[StylinRed]

uh huh
http://www.thebenevolentforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/wpid-IMG_14824538994750.jpeg

im not sure what you're suggesting here? looking at your previous message and this one are you laying a false claim that all muslims are intolerant? or that all syrians are intolerant muslims? and so we should let them die? you'd be wrong either way

that's what it seems like you're saying...

Popper didn't advocate ignoring those facing an imminent threat, afaik, he rejected the responsibility argument in that to solve the problem you have to attack the bigger picture, slowly, not simply showing up to patch things up when shit hits the fan but that doesn't mean you ignore the shit...

Here's one for you
http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-bad-men-need-nothing-more-to-compass-their-ends-than-that-good-men-should-look-on-and-john-stuart-mill-65-25-83.jpg

[Lomac]

lets hope this makes justin trudeau seriously consider taking in all those fucking syrian refugees

Serious question: Why are we blaming Syria for this? Sure, there are Syrians that have been recruited into ISIS, but that's not the only country where fighters are from. Britain, France, USA... hell, there last year there was someone who went to the university here in Kamloops who went over seas to fight for ISIS (and, yes, he was Canadian born). To condemn the entire Muslim population to a terrorist stereotype is asinine, incorrect and just plain wrong. Sure, a tiny fraction of people seeking asylum might be hidden terrorists, but the VAST majority are people looking to escape persecution and terrorism themselves.

[JD¹³]

there's also 4 million muslims in France.
France has the highest percentage of muslim residents in a western country. It has had the most terror attacks in the western world. Coincidence? Just food for thought....

I want to say these events should be a wake up call, but they NEED to be a wake up call. I've read reports that anywhere between 10 and 15 percent of the migrants pouring into Europe support what ISIS is trying to achieve in the middle east. As has been said, most of the European migrants are economical and NOT from the regions affected by the fighting. Those people all went to Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey, Egypt, etc long ago.

Bringing 25,000 refugees in I have no problem with, but they most certainly need to be vetted and from actual conflict zones. Doing that properly to ensure both their success here and maintaining the security of all Canadians takes time. The Liberal gov't has bitten off WAY more than they can chew by saying they'll have it done in 6 weeks. Canadians (and Americans) are incredibly blessed to live in one of the most stable and prosperous regions in the world. That is because we are geographically segregated. We cannot allow a Trojan horse to happen here, and I hope what's happened in Paris makes all the bleeding hearts here realize that the world outside our borders can be/is a very dangerous place.

I saw this video the other day and it's pretty sensationalist. I'm not siding one way or the other, I'm just posting it for discussion only. Some of it is ridiculous, but some of the clips really speak for themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc

I'm not going to pray for Paris, cross my fingers, or wish upon a star. I'm going to hope the French police, intelligence agencies, and military, use their training to fucking smash all those responsible and the enemy chain of command both locally and abroad.

[Tr1ll]

Waiting for the French government to let go of the leash and let the FFL go to town on ISIS

[boostfever]

France has the highest percentage of muslim residents in a western country. It has had the most terror attacks in the western world. Coincidence? Just food for thought...

Apparently Germany is number 1, and France close second.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=muslims+population+in+france&oq=muslims+population+in+france&gs_l=serp.3..0i22i30l10.19139.19857.0.20045.6.6.0. 0.0.0.190.387.1j2.3.0....0...1c.1.64.serp..3.3.387 .1122hzC1FVw

[nah]

You know where a majority of the Syrians are going to settle? That's right BC...

All our social systems (healthcare, schools, etc) are going to be further strained. Hopefully Justin will be kicking in extra dollars to BC for taking a majority of the refugees.

Thousands of Syrian refugees expected in B.C. by end of the year - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/refugees-coming-to-bc-1.3310809)

[Jmac]

You know where a majority of the Syrians are going to settle? That's right BC...

All our social systems (healthcare, schools, etc) are going to be further strained. Hopefully Justin will be kicking in extra dollars to BC for taking a majority of the refugees.

Thousands of Syrian refugees expected in B.C. by end of the year - British Columbia - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/refugees-coming-to-bc-1.3310809)
Literally the first sentence of the article you linked to ...
Roughly 2,700 Syrian refugees are expected to land in B.C. over the next seven weeks, as part of the federal Liberal government's promise to settle 25,000 refugees in Canada.
Slightly more than 10% (amongst the 10 provinces) is ... a majority?

[GS8]

Can someone please explain to me how the phrase 'pray for peace' has any merit or validity?

Has it ever worked? Did it work 5000 years ago? 500 years ago? 50 years ago? 5 years ago?

It seems like the ones who constantly spout it are the ones who live miles and miles and miles away from any conflict zone. Is it just some sort of psychological 'high' by feeling that you're a part of the moral fabric that supposedly weaves us all together?

Just seems like such a cop out to me. Can you imagine if prayer was a non-existent concept and people, instead, just used productive means to help out the suffering? Whether it's donation or on-field volunteering all the way up to assisting in the capture and probable execution of the terrorist shits.

Anyway,

RIP to all the victims. Nobody deserves to go out this way. I'm really interested in the investigation results. The Middle East has become nothing more than an outhouse. Turds fighting over who can swirl to the bottom first...

[Gululu]

Western countries are always the first to condemn china when we punish muslim terrorists. now u will see how bad these terrorists really are. Islam is backwards and must be stopped immediately. now more muslims including the extremists coming to canada than atheists asians. Trudeau wants even more of these people here, thats just fucked up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fgiA8b987Y

[BoostedBB6]

Serious question: Why are we blaming Syria for this? Sure, there are Syrians that have been recruited into ISIS, but that's not the only country where fighters are from. Britain, France, USA... hell, there last year there was someone who went to the university here in Kamloops who went over seas to fight for ISIS (and, yes, he was Canadian born). To condemn the entire Muslim population to a terrorist stereotype is asinine, incorrect and just plain wrong. Sure, a tiny fraction of people seeking asylum might be hidden terrorists, but the VAST majority are people looking to escape persecution and terrorism themselves.

"The terrorists shouted 'Allah Akbar' and 'this is for Syria' as they burst in and opened fire, witnesses have said"

This will scare the crap out of people who are supporters of having them come here. Its also the reason why so many are against muslims despite every single one of them that I know and have meet have been nothing but kind.

The answer to the question is fear. Fear of something like this happening again and its amplified by the actions of those today. Fear of what it may cost. Fear of the unknown.

With whats going on now it only adds to the fear that they may have and drive more people to not want them here.

[Mr.C]

Honest question, for all of you guys that have advocated for relaxed refugee controls and so on and so forth, have you ever lived in a warzone? Have you ever lived in a place where you left home and didn't know if you'd be alive at the end of the day? Have you ever been through situations like these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvATq01WsA4

Because if you haven't, you're scarily naive about how pervasive certain groups are in these countries. I think that the current policy in Europe is extremely misguided, and opens them up to attacks like these. You can't assume bad guys won't take advantage of the opportunity. The naivité is stunning.

[Hondaracer]

Taking in refugees In the current state is NOT like the Korean War, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, etc

It is night and day compared to the past conflicts people compare this to.

[meme405]

I stopped reading after Mr. Chin's post on the first page, the usual people on here will likely have their strong and intellectual points, and the dumbasses will say the same stupid shit they always say.

I have nothing to add to any of that discussion.

What I do have to add is my condolences to anyone who may know someone, or those affected by this. Such a saddening and senseless act of violence, if the party responsible seriously did this in relation to the Syrian refugee crisis they have definitely done their cause much, much, much more harm than good.

So troubling to see so many young people hurt, injured or killed by these extremists. The death of a child is the death of infinite possibility. There is no telling what that life could have gone on to achieve or create. :(

[Jmac]

According to Statistics Canada, as of 2011:

1.053 million Canadians who identify themselves as Muslim (3.2%)

Of those 1.053 million Muslims, 720,000 were immigrants/refugees (68.3%)

Muslim is the fastest growing religion in Canada, even outpacing those with no religious affiliation.

[Amuse]

Canada normally accepts between 10,000 and 14,000 refugees each year. This year, Trudeau has set out to take in an additional 25,000 refugees specifically from Syria.

As I mentioned, they are targeting people from low security risk demographics. In addition, they'll be screened before coming to Canada and screened again upon arrival before being placed into a resettlement program.

I'm not sure what they'll do with people found to make fraudulent claims regarding their origins.
Exactly. Even though they pass screening, you don't know what their intentions will be.

[flagella]

Can someone please explain to me how the phrase 'pray for peace' has any merit or validity?

Has it ever worked? Did it work 5000 years ago? 500 years ago? 50 years ago? 5 years ago?

It seems like the ones who constantly spout it are the ones who live miles and miles and miles away from any conflict zone. Is it just some sort of psychological 'high' by feeling that you're a part of the moral fabric that supposedly weaves us all together?

Just seems like such a cop out to me. Can you imagine if prayer was a non-existent concept and people, instead, just used productive means to help out the suffering? Whether it's donation or on-field volunteering all the way up to assisting in the capture and probable execution of the terrorist shits.

Anyway,

RIP to all the victims. Nobody deserves to go out this way. I'm really interested in the investigation results. The Middle East has become nothing more than an outhouse. Turds fighting over who can swirl to the bottom first...

What kind of bs are you spouting? Wtf does pray for peace have anything to do with whether people actually help through productive means? I know plenty of people who pray hard and work harder than anyone to make changes. The generalization you are making is sickening.

Also, what exactly is the point of you saying "RIP to all the victims?" Does that achieve anything? Does it lead to any productive means to help those who are actually suffering? It's rather annoying to see every single person repeating RIP to the lost ones every time a tragic accident happens.

[Mr.Money]

i kinda agree with his sickening view...oh god this..oh god that..you need to take control of you're own life before spouting off Magic help to a man floating on a cloud helping us all...Yeah,Okay.

[threezero]

if we gonna get technical. technically it was the belief in different god to lead to all this mess

would have been better world if we had never pray to anything to begin with

[westopher]

So those saying we need to stop allowing the refugees for security concerns? Shall we close the borders? Shall we start sending previously landed immigrants back based on their religion due to heightened probability of a terrorist attack from them?
What exactly is it that will make you happy?
For how many immigrants or first generation Canadians there are on here, there sure is a lot of fucking entitlement to YOUR personal country. Take a look at how you and so many of your friends and family ended up here, wether it was 10, or 100 years ago.

[Adorkami]

Honest question, for all of you guys that have advocated for relaxed refugee controls and so on and so forth, have you ever lived in a warzone? Have you ever lived in a place where you left home and didn't know if you'd be alive at the end of the day? Have you ever been through situations like these:

Because if you haven't, you're scarily naive about how pervasive certain groups are in these countries. I think that the current policy in Europe is extremely misguided, and opens them up to attacks like these. You can't assume bad guys won't take advantage of the opportunity. The naivité is stunning.

Never been in a war zone and hope to never experience one first hand. I do however hope that we do something to help. We accept so many immigrants already, do you suggest we close our borders entirely? Or do you suggest just close it to Syria believing that a terrorist is unable to fly out of any other country. The Canadian thing is to try and help, not just turn a blind eye. The government just needs to find the safest way to do so.

When I was younger my father was witness to a terrorist attempt to assassinate someone, my dad ended up catching the guy(Surrey can be sketchy but not a war zone), it never changed his opinion about people from that religion(weren't muslim)

[Mr.Money]

10, or 100 years ago. - we didn't have ALLAH SNACK BAR! terrorists posing threats with their extremism,let alone mass murder groups in name of Religion

[westopher]

Remember that time someone killed 6 million jewish people?!
Jesus fuck me.....thats probably a few people killed in the name of religion don't ya think?
Because a terrorist was muslim does not mean muslim = terrorist.
Correlation =/= causation.

[cruz-in]

i mean we didn't call them terrorists back in the day, but what about the halocaust? They believed in the purification of ( i wont mention it here )

it may not have been a religion but seems pretty similar to me.

EDIT : i know it seems a bit extreme , just take it for its context and a grain of salt and hopefully you see what i mean.

[Traum]

Bringing 25,000 refugees in I have no problem with, but they most certainly need to be vetted and from actual conflict zones. Doing that properly to ensure both their success here and maintaining the security of all Canadians takes time. The Liberal gov't has bitten off WAY more than they can chew by saying they'll have it done in 6 weeks.
As far as Canadian security is concerned, I must say JD¹³ has made the best comment so far. When even refugee settlement groups are saying this is too much, too fast, you know there is a problem.

[twdm]

So those saying we need to stop allowing the refugees for security concerns? Shall we close the borders? Shall we start sending previously landed immigrants back based on their religion due to heightened probability of a terrorist attack from them?
What exactly is it that will make you happy?
For how many immigrants or first generation Canadians there are on here, there sure is a lot of fucking entitlement to YOUR personal country. Take a look at how you and so many of your friends and family ended up here, wether it was 10, or 100 years ago.

Sorry, first generation Canadian here. We were accepted to Canada through official immigration channels bringing skills that Canada wanted. If only I could bomb my own country and then claim refugee status for free money, housing and healthcare.

These are not immigrants. They are jumping the queue, bringing no usable skills to our country and bringing their problems along with them. Please do not compare them to immigrants who worked hard to get here.

[richardmozis]

The big bs was Air Canada 'volunteering' to bring these refugees in. They illegally terminated most of their maintenance employee's careers and outsourced repairs to China because they were strapped for cash. Now they suddenly have money for this? Anything to try to get good Liberal press....

[Manic!]

You know who is really to blame for all of this right?

http://wadejohnston1962.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/50-star-flag-big.png

[Chii]

:(
Such sad news for citizens and travellers in Paris....2nd attack in Paris within 1 year

[will068]

You know who is really to blame for all of this right?

http://wadejohnston1962.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/50-star-flag-big.png

Of course. It's blowback. This is unintended consequences. This is what politicians like Ron Paul has been preaching down south, yet a lot of people do not absorb this.

[rslater]

How has the terrorist attacks today become a conversation about the refugee crisis that occurring? When 9/11 occurred no one blamed refugees. When the London Bombing occurred we didn't blame refugees. When the Nigerian massacre happened we didn't get up in arms about refugees.

The last 6 months their has been a big debate globally about refugees. However, at this stage there is no information to suggest that any of the perpetrators were recent refugees. If it turns out that the majority of them are French nationals, what did the refugee's fleeing Syria have to do with today's attack.

The majority of refugees are fleeing from the same ideaologies that attacked Paris today. Their escaping from Muslims who have interpreted their religion entirely different from 99% of the worlds Muslims.

If there anecdotal evidence that the last 100 terrorist attacks worldwide are performed by recent refugees into a new country that I am mistaken and apologise. But to be suggesting that Paris could have been saved today had Europe closed its borders over the past year from refugees, is naive in considering the actual terrorists background and motivates, when none of this information has been released yet.

[HonestTea]

This. I've said it once in a previous thread, and I'll say it again here. Canada, as a country, should help their own people before opening the doors and letting a flood of refugees in. All of these bleeding-heart refugee advocates need to take a walk down the Downtown East Side and understand that there are plenty of people in Canada who are suffering from addiction, poverty, hunger, mental illness, and abuse who, IMO, should take priority over the citizens of another country (especially when these same citizens pose great security risks). How, exactly, is Canada supposed to fund the housing and social programs for these refugees when there are so many people within our borders who clearly don't get the help they need?

Plus, the average DTES transient is not likely to scream "Allah Akbar!" and bomb a public place. Not that I am saying ALL Muslims are evil, but as an atheist I believe that all religions, when taken to the point of extreme fanaticism, have the capacity for great evil. It certainly doesn't help that the vast majority of "terror" attacks that have occurred lately are perpetrated by people who believe themselves to be Muslim. Couple this with the undeniable fact that the West is directly responsible for the evil that is currently occurring in the Middle East, and I am sure many Syrians are aware of this. It's hard to say that all of them will come here with good intentions.

Condolences to all of the victims and their families. We can't reverse these senseless acts, but we can take the proper steps to ensure that future risks are minimized...

QFT!

[Verdasco]

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[Manic!]

This. I've said it once in a previous thread, and I'll say it again here. Canada, as a country, should help their own people before opening the doors and letting a flood of refugees in. All of these bleeding-heart refugee advocates need to take a walk down the Downtown East Side and understand that there are plenty of people in Canada who are suffering from addiction, poverty, hunger, mental illness, and abuse who, IMO, should take priority over the citizens of another country (especially when these same citizens pose great security risks). How, exactly, is Canada supposed to fund the housing and social programs for these refugees when there are so many people within our borders who clearly don't get the help they need?

Plus, the average DTES transient is not likely to scream "Allah Akbar!" and bomb a public place. Not that I am saying ALL Muslims are evil, but as an atheist I believe that all religions, when taken to the point of extreme fanaticism, have the capacity for great evil. It certainly doesn't help that the vast majority of "terror" attacks that have occurred lately are perpetrated by people who believe themselves to be Muslim. Couple this with the undeniable fact that the West is directly responsible for the evil that is currently occurring in the Middle East, and I am sure many Syrians are aware of this. It's hard to say that all of them will come here with good intentions.

Condolences to all of the victims and their families. We can't reverse these senseless acts, but we can take the proper steps to ensure that future risks are minimized...

Hasn't a billion dollars already been spent on the DTES? Some people cannot be helped no matter how much money you spent on them unless you want to treat them like spoiled children. This comes from first hand experience with dealing with people on government assistance.

[SkinnyPupp]

Western countries are always the first to condemn china when we punish muslim terrorists. now u will see how bad these terrorists really are. Islam is backwards and must be stopped immediately. now more muslims including the extremists coming to canada than atheists asians. Trudeau wants even more of these people here, thats just fucked up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fgiA8b987Y
As usual you're posting nonsense. You speak as though China's "tough stance" on Islam (which doesn't exist btw, any more than they persecute any other group) is highly effective, and the rest of the world must be blindly aggressive against people based on their religion.

Whatever China is doing is not exactly preventing terrorism.

1997 - Terrorists bombed 3 buses in Urumqi - 9 innocents were killed and 68 were seriously injured. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_bus_bombings)

Yamanya, Xinjiang - 12 August 2008 - 3 policemen were stabbed to death.

Kuqa County, Xinjiang - 10 August 2008 - seven men armed with homemade explosives drove taxis into government buildings injuring several people. 5 of the 7 were killed.

Attempted hijacking of a flight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianjin_Airlines_Flight_7554)

Lukqun - 26 June 2013 - 17 knife-wielding terrorists attacked a police station and government building, killing 35 innocent people.
2013 Tianamen Square Attack - car bomb kills 5 innocent people and injured dozens. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Tiananmen_Square_attack)

In 2008, where 2 terrorists ran over a group of unarmed policemen who were jogging, and attacked them with machetes. 16 of the police officers were killed and both terrorists were taken alive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Kashgar_attack

On July 30, 2011 two Uyghur men hijacked a truck, killed its driver, and drove into a crowd of pedestrians. They got out of the truck and stabbed 6 people to death and injured 27 others. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kashgar_attacks#First_day)

On July 31, 2011 a chain of two explosions started a fire at a downtown restaurant. A group of armed Uyghur men killed 2 people inside of the restaurant and 4 people outside, injuring 15 other people. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kashgar_attacks#Second_day)

2011 Hotan Attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Hotan_attack) - The govt decided to campaign against full body coverings using slogans like "show off your pretty looks and let your beautiful long hair fly" because murders & robberies where assailants wore such clothes started happening. 18 young Uyghur men killed 2 security guards with knives & bombs and took 8 hostages. They yelled jihadi slogans. 14 attackers and 2 hostages were killed.

2013 Bachu Attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2013_Bachu_unrest) - Uyghur jihadists killed 15 govt officials, of which 11 where ETHNIC UYGHURS.

2014 Kunming Attacks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack) - 8 knife-wielding terrorists attacked innocent people at the railway station and killed 29.

2015 Xinjiang Colliery Attack (http://www.mining.com/fifty-killed-in-a-knife-attack-at-a-chinese-colliery/?utm_source=digest-en-mining-151001&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=digest) - 50 Chinese workers were killed while they were sleeping in a coordinated knife attack conducted by "alleged" Uyghur Separatists



So how bad are these terrorists? China sure knows how to handle them.

[Mr.Money]

Remember that time someone killed 6 million jewish people?!
Jesus fuck me.....thats probably a few people killed in the name of religion don't ya think?
Because a terrorist was muslim does not mean muslim = terrorist.
Correlation =/= causation.

yeah because we saw every nazi hold a bible and claim Allah snack bar! with bombs on their chest. :rukidding:

[westopher]

yeah because we saw every nazi hold a bible and claim Allah snack bar! with bombs on their chest. :rukidding:
Yeah because every Muslim is walking around with a Qu'ran bombing shit.
Do you seriously not understand the bigotry you are spouting off? Holy fucking shit!
You do understand Muslims are a very large group of people right? And 99.99999999% are not violent?

[Hondaracer]

As you say, it's hard to paint such an enormous group with one brush.

However, regardless of their actions I would tend to beleive there is a large faction of the Muslim population who beleive, or will continue to develop the thoughts that "the western world" did them wrong. And I guess In a lot of ways, they have

[hchang]

So ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks

ISIS claims responsibility for Paris attacks; France remains the ?top of the list of targets? - National | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2339190/isis-claims-responsibility-for-paris-attacks-france-remains-the-top-of-the-list-of-targets/?hootPostID=b91406262fbca775589bfa9e564c0649)


This fucking angers me so much. ISIS or not who the fuck does this to innocent lives

[Soundy]

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[Soundy]

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/1018/6825904640.jpg (http://easycaptures.com/6825904640)
View Screen Capture (http://easycaptures.com/6825904640)

[SkinnyPupp]

I wonder what those 30,000 people would be doing if they weren't indoctrinated into some twisted version of Islam

[pastarocket]

Fuck ISIS! It's gonna be very interesting to see how the French are gonna find the attackers responsible for this bloodbath. Justice for the French!!!

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CH_W1Jsgu6Y/maxresdefault.jpg

[320icar]

@siinnypup: The same thing the rest of us are doing. Just living

[westopher]

I disagree. Religion doesn't make sane people violent. It gives violent people an excise

[SkinnyPupp]

So they'd be shooting people in the public, but instead of yelling about Allah it would be.... ?

[Soundy]

I wonder what those 30,000 people would be doing if they weren't indoctrinated into some twisted version of Islam

Probably indoctrinated into some twisted version of something else... and not necessarily a religion.

[Soundy]

This looks about right....

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/1018/5458932758.png (http://easycaptures.com/5458932758)
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[iEatClams]

In all seriousness, why can't we have a debate or have respectful criticism about religions without being labeled racists/hater/bigot etc?

Like usually if atheists or agnostic people criticize a religion, be it Christianity, Islam, or even Scientology (imho more of a cult), they get shitted on by being labelled as bigots etc.

[westopher]

Simple. If you criticize a religion, you are not a bigot.
If you judge an entire group of people as bad due to their religion, you are a bigot.
Is that black and white enough?

[pastarocket]

In all seriousness, why can't we have a debate or have respectful criticism about religions without being labeled racists/hater/bigot etc?

Like usually if atheists or agnostic people criticize a religion, be it Christianity, Islam, or even Scientology (imho more of a cult), they get shitted on by being labelled as bigots etc.


Yeah, this is definitely not what I wanted to see when I created this thread.

I was hoping that posts about religion would be minimal. :rukidding:

Less criticism. -more solidarity and support for France and the police, the intelligence agencies, the military to find those ISIS attackers so that those turds face justice!

If anything, I am hoping that the direction of discussion on this thread changes.

Here's a question. If you are part of France's national security team, what are the first steps you take, under the direction of President Hollande, to find the ISIS attackers?

What would you do??? Think about this question, RS. If anyone has a work background in security or military training, your posts would be insightful.

[SkinnyPupp]

Probably indoctrinated into some twisted version of something else... and not necessarily a religion.
Can you think of any examples? Do you think it would instead be based on nationality or race?

[mr_chin]

All I'm saying is, the title is misleading.

I don't know what ya'll interpreted as.

Bombings, killings, etc. all over the middle east yet nobody gives a rats ass. Some hostage take over gets put on mainstream media and everyone finds it interesting to discuss about. Needless to say, RIP to those in Paris.

[SkinnyPupp]

All I'm saying is, the title is misleading.

I don't know what ya'll interpreted as.

Bombings, killings, etc. all over the middle east yet nobody gives a rats ass. Some hostage take over gets put on mainstream media and everyone finds it interesting to discuss about. Needless to say, RIP to those in Paris.
Would you have the same reaction if your best friend's family or your next door neighbours were victims of home invasion and rape as you would seeing a news story about it happening to some random stranger?

[Hehe]

Fuck ISIS...

People say we need to learn how to tolerate, to reason and to forgive.

But sorry, forgiving is the job of God. Now let's take ISIS out for god sake.

[van_city23]

As you say, it's hard to paint such an enormous group with one brush.

However, regardless of their actions I would tend to beleive there is a large faction of the Muslim population who beleive, or will continue to develop the thoughts that "the western world" did them wrong. And I guess In a lot of ways, they have

Majority of the world believes that. India believes that. Russia does. All of Africa does. The entire "middle east does."

The logic behind connecting a religion to this doesn't exist.

[Ferra]

Fuck ISIS...

People say we need to learn how to tolerate, to reason and to forgive.

But sorry, forgiving is the job of God. Now let's take ISIS out for god sake.
"taking ISIS out" probably isn't as easy as it sounds. Sure we have tons more fire power than they do, but they are pretty decentralized and we simply don't know where to hit without killings bunch of innocents. (And they know this)

I think groups like ISIS need hatred and chaos to thrive..
that's why they are always making all these hateful videos and attacks, taunting everyone trying to get some over reaction from the west and everywhere else.
they know in a stable and peaceful environment, they will just wither and die

Good thing I am not some country's or world super power leaders tho...otherwise I'd just bomb their entire continent without discrimination after a brutal attack on my own.... (then probably regret my decision later)

[threezero]

This is very thought provoking.

ISIS has the advantgae of being decentralize and the more chaotic and hateful the world get the better it thrives.

Every single time they attack, the world response with exactly the what the ISIS wants. More hatred and bigotry.

So with each attack ISIS is actually growing stronger. The more the western world fight back the more tension it create between muslim. The ISIS is trying to convert all muslim to their extremist view and the west's hatred and bigotry is helping them big time.

This is a very interesting and brutal method of warfare i think previously unseen in world histoy (please correct me if im wrong). You can't just drop on a bomb on them, you can't just win with military supremecy. Yet governments are bound by duty and political obligations to revenge and attack back.

This doesn't look good for the world.

[mr_chin]

Would you have the same reaction if your best friend's family or your next door neighbours were victims of home invasion and rape as you would seeing a news story about it happening to some random stranger?

Stupid question... obviously not. Am I suppose to go to everybody's funeral now?

Shit happens, it's reality, you read it, feel remorse and that's it. A week passes, you hear another school shooting. What's new really?

As much of an asshole as that sounds, it's something across the world. ISIS kill people every day. They tied hostages to statues and bomb them. No thread about those because it's not mainstream? Murders, rapes, missing people, etc. appears in those little articles in the province every day. Nobody gives a shit about those.

How does this differ from any other news and deserves a 10/10?

[Soundy]

Can you think of any examples? Do you think it would instead be based on nationality or race?

The largest wars in history were fought over land. One might argue religion played a part in WWII because of Hitler's extermination of Jews, but that was because of their race, rather than their religion. Acquiring land was still the basis for the whole damn thing.

There have been bombings in the past in the name of the environment.

Before 9/11, the worst terrorist attack on US soil was committed by a clean-cut good ol' white boy who was pissed at the government.

Of course, along with land goes resources - Iraq invaded Kuwait specifically for the oil. Some say oil was the ONLY reason the US went into Iraq (nothing to do with Saddam failing to abide by international sanctions, of course). We're told repeatedly that future wars will be fought over water.

[Soundy]

Friend of mine posted this this morning:

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Another responded with this:

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[Lomac]

Stupid question... obviously not. Am I suppose to go to everybody's funeral now?

Shit happens, it's reality, you read it, feel remorse and that's it. A week passes, you hear another school shooting. What's new really?

As much of an asshole as that sounds, it's something across the world. ISIS kill people every day. They tied hostages to statues and bomb them. No thread about those because it's not mainstream? Murders, rapes, missing people, etc. appears in those little articles in the province every day. Nobody gives a shit about those.

How does this differ from any other news and deserves a 10/10?

Don't know about others here, but I can more easily and readily relate to things like the WTC attacks, the London Metro bombing, the Paris attacks and other such Western localized news bits because I've been and walked through those very streets or hallways where shit happened. I was inside the Twin Towers a couple years before they collapsed. I've taken the Metro before. I actually visited a couple of the areas in Paris where the attacks took place. I can picture these things from memory, so they become more personal to me. All the mass school shootings in the USA, the bombing in Beirut that happened earlier yesterday, the attacks on the Gaza Strip... these are all things I only know from the news. Don't get me wrong; they're all tragedies in their own right, but it's hard for me to get too upset about them because I've never been to those places or met the people who live there.

Paris and New York hit home for many Westerners because chances are we've either visited them or we know someone from there.

[Soundy]

Don't know about others here, but I can more easily and readily relate to things like the WTC attacks, the London Metro bombing, the Paris attacks and other such Western localized news bits because I've been and walked through those very streets or hallways where shit happened. I was inside the Twin Towers a couple years before they collapsed. I've taken the Metro before. I actually visited a couple of the areas in Paris where the attacks took place. I can picture these things from memory, so they become more personal to me. All the mass school shootings in the USA, the bombing in Beirut that happened earlier yesterday, the attacks on the Gaza Strip... these are all things I only know from the news. Don't get me wrong; they're all tragedies in their own right, but it's hard for me to get too upset about them because I've never been to those places or met the people who live there.

Paris and New York hit home for many Westerners because chances are we've either visited them or we know someone from there.

Kinda the same for me with the Umpqua College shootings recently, not because I've been to that school specifically, but some of my family lives in Roseburg, and it really is a "small-town" atmosphere where I don't think there's any more than two degrees of separation between anyone. Also, two of my cousin's kids went to Umpqua (thankfully, not when the attacks happened) and a lot of their friends were directly affected, so we heard a lot of first-hand pain from that.

Anyway, I think another part of the reason bombings in other areas (Beirut, etc.) don't hit as hard here is because hearing about it in the news almost feels
commonplace now. Gas prices up again, raining in Vancouver, car bomb in the Gaza, ho-hum.

[Bouncing Bettys]

On the subject of criticizing religion:

Getting these people off religion, at least the mainstream traditional religions, isn't as simple as educating them. They may give it all up and see the light, but they seem to need something to fill that void and end up turning to some other irrational belief system. Ie: Lacey Green, and others like her, give up their religious upbringing for atheisms, only to turn to feminism and social justice. Many 9/11 Truthers and other conspiracy theorists were once religious, claim to be atheist, and depend on a reality in which there is a mysterious world-wide plot beyond their control. People religiously follow sports and create all sorts of rituals in the absence of religion. Its simply human nature to want to fill a void, to feel a part of something greater, and to ignore reason. I don't fault religious people for this but I do fault them for the inability to take a step back in the face of overwhelming fact.

Terrorists, often in the name of some religion, display a degree of a lack of critical thinking and make leaps in logic to justify their actions. Religious people also show these traits. I view religious people much like I do pitbulls, a species perfectly able to exist peacefully, yet more prone to violence given certain conditions in their upbringing and environment. One can argue that these fundamentalist extremists, are following their religion far truer to the words written than those who pick and choose what practices to follow in order to suit their lifestyle.

Thunderf00t made some excellent points about Islam in the western world here:
https://youtu.be/GiQuCdv3A98

[Soundy]

People religiously follow sports and create all sorts of rituals in the absence of religion. Its simply human nature to want to fill a void, to feel a part of something greater, and to ignore reason
Fact is, everyone has a "god" in their lives.

"Whatever your heart clings to & whatever your heart relies upon, is your god." -Martin Luther

"Whatever you draw your Strength and your Substance from, whatever you turn to in your Hour of Need - that's your god." - Mike Warnke

[BBMme]

Rip. Just terrible

[Hondaracer]

Fact is, everyone has a "god" in their lives.

"Whatever your heart clings to & whatever your heart relies upon, is your god." -Martin Luther

"Whatever you draw your Strength and your Substance from, whatever you turn to in your Hour of Need - that's your god." - Mike Warnke

"I am a god" - Kanye

[Bouncing Bettys]

Fact is, everyone has a "god" in their lives.

"Whatever your heart clings to & whatever your heart relies upon, is your god." -Martin Luther

"Whatever you draw your Strength and your Substance from, whatever you turn to in your Hour of Need - that's your god." - Mike Warnke

The key is, from time to time one must be able to step away from deeply held beliefs in the face of overwhelming fact.

[Soundy]

The key is, from time to time one must be able to step away from deeply held beliefs in the face of overwhelming fact.
So, "my god is more real than your god"?

Congratulations, you're part of the problem.

[pastarocket]

This is a news article about the terrorist threat levels in major Canadian cities.

Vancouver, Edmonton, Montreal, and Toronto are classified with a "medium" level of threat.

EXCLUSIVE: Terrorist threat levels highest in Vancouver, Edmonton, Montreal, Toronto | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2071369/exclusive-terrorist-threat-levels-highest-in-vancouver-edmonton-montreal-toronto/)
OTTAWA – How real is the possibility of a terrorist attack in Canada?

According to the Integrated Terrorism Assessment Centre, it depends where you live.



An internal report obtained by Global News classifies the terror threat level in Vancouver, Edmonton, Montreal and the Greater Toronto Area at “medium.”

Medium means an individual or group has the capability and intent to carry out an attack – an act of terrorism “could occur.”

A “low” threat level means and individual or group has the capability or intent to carry out an act of terrorism – it’s “possible but unlikely.”
Security expert David Hyde says the medium level does not mean the threat is critical – but it is elevated.

Calgary and Halifax rank “low.”

The difference?


A “low” threat level means and individual or group has the capability or intent to carry out an act of terrorism – it’s “possible but unlikely.”
Security expert David Hyde says the medium level does not mean the threat is critical – but it is elevated.


“It is cause for scrutiny, it is cause to be on guard, but it’s not cause for concern that there’s anything imminent that’s going to happen around the corner as far as authorities know,” he said


The report mentions specific threats:

In British Columbia, “single source intelligence” shows a potential plot originating from an ISIS-linked group in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region may be targeting a Canadian Forces base.

In Fort McMurray, “radicalized” people may be attempting to get jobs in the oilsands to raise money to fight with ISIS.
In Montreal, the arrests of allegedly radicalized teens are noted. There is no imminent threat, but the report warns “extremists could develop plots if prevented from travelling.”


The most likely attack scenarios for all cities “would involve small arms, IEDs, bladed weapons, or other simple attack methods,” carried out by lone-wolves or small groups inspired by ISIS.

The situations laid out in the report are similar to the Ottawa shooting last October, carried out by lone gunman Michael Zehaf-Bibeau.

And while Public Safety reports on the overall terror threat, it does so only once a year.

Asked about the threat assessments, a government spokesman told Global News, “the threat is real,” and pointed to the recently-passed anti-terror bill C-51.

“That is why our Government has passed the Anti-terrorism Act, 2015, to ensure that our police forces have the tools they need to combat the evolving threat of terrorism,” Jean-Christophe de Le Rue said in an email.

The report also highlights the vulnerability of events like Canada Day, the FIFA Women’s World Cup and the upcoming Pan Am games in Toronto.

At this point, the threat level is “low,” although there will be a new assessment each week.Unlike the United States and Europe, where terror threat levels are public, they aren’t in Canada.

[Hondaracer]

So, "my god is more real than your god"?

Congratulations, you're part of the problem.

thinking that there is a god is the problem

[pastarocket]

https://youtu.be/mFAegyIuteU

[SkinnyPupp]

Stupid question... obviously not. Am I suppose to go to everybody's funeral now?

Shit happens, it's reality, you read it, feel remorse and that's it. A week passes, you hear another school shooting. What's new really?

As much of an asshole as that sounds, it's something across the world. ISIS kill people every day. They tied hostages to statues and bomb them. No thread about those because it's not mainstream? Murders, rapes, missing people, etc. appears in those little articles in the province every day. Nobody gives a shit about those.

How does this differ from any other news and deserves a 10/10?
Because this isn't just some random violence that happens all the time in the same places (in fact, the day before this shooting, 200 people died in an attack in Beirut). This is a direct attack on our innocent brothers and sisters on our neighbour's soil. This is a direct attack on us (the west) on our turf. Of course it's a bigger deal to US than a bombing in Lebanon or Palestine or whatever.

[StylinRed]

thinking that there is a god is the problem

people will always find a reason to murder/maim/control/prejudice others

just looking at the modern era, atheists are responsible for the deadliest weapons we've ever seen, and the most deaths

people who claim to be atheists and like to put down those who are religious and blame them for the worlds troubles (prejudice) is just another example that it doesn't matter what you believe in (or don't) PEOPLE are assholes and will find any excuse to be assholes (iirc ulic made such a post once :lol)



for those interested watch the first 20-ish minutes of the democratic debate tonight, they make some good points about the issue of isis/paris/refugees

As usual you're posting nonsense. You speak as though China's "tough stance" on Islam (which doesn't exist btw, any more than they persecute any other group) is highly effective, and the rest of the world must be blindly aggressive against people based on their religion.

Whatever China is doing is not exactly preventing terrorism.

So how bad are these terrorists? China sure knows how to handle them.

China didn't begin to identify them as terrorists until after 9/11, prior to that they were separatists, there's a deep history of China marginalizing them and pushing them out of their homes into the mountains, attempts to ethnically cleanse them by mass/forced emigration of Han Chinese women into the area to, in essence, ensure they become more and more chinese, lots and lots of tactics used against them.

The media is blocked from entering the region too, the BBC has tried countless times but China is pretty good at blocking their entrance, so most reports of the brutality is based on hearsay or smuggled/secret footage

Which is why countries like the USA never recognized Chinas claim that these were terrorists, initially, until uighurs began joining the taliban etc in attacks in the middle east, even then there's a lack of acceptance of Chinas claims

[jasonturbo]

Probably stating what others have already said but these attacks have nothing to do with religion, it's about money and the political agenda of lunatics.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but every single muslim I have ever spent any amount of time with was a wonderfully genuine and caring person.

According to a girl that works for me who is from Algeria, the majority of the ISIS fighters are only working for ISIS because they are well compensated, they don't at all care about a system of beliefs held by the group.

There is a long standing theory (supported by some significant evidence actually) that many of these terror groups are funded by a number of oil rich countries in the middle east. You might wonder why Saudi Arabia would fund terrorists... well it's better to pay the local lunatics to go bomb other countries than it is for them to eventually bomb their own or create civil unrest etc.

Meh, too bad Muslims get the bad rap.

[Bouncing Bettys]

people will always find a reason to murder/maim/control/prejudice others

just looking at the modern era, atheists are responsible for the deadliest weapons we've ever seen, and the most deaths

people who claim to be atheists and like to put down those who are religious and blame them for the worlds troubles (prejudice) is just another example that it doesn't matter what you believe in (or don't) PEOPLE are assholes and will find any excuse to be assholes (iirc ulic made such a post once :lol)
Could you site some examples of people who created weapons in the name of non-belief or killed people in the name of non-belief? Like you said, people will always find a reason to murder/maim/control/prejudice others and not having theistic beliefs seems like an unlikely reason on its own.

[SkinnyPupp]

People who say "don't blame religion" still haven't come up with what they think the alternative would be if region didn't exist. Yes Europe fought wars for centuries over land, but don't think religion wasn't involved there either (catholic vs protestant, christians vs muslims).

[StylinRed]

Could you site some examples of people who created weapons in the name of non-belief or killed people in the name of non-belief?

religious belief or belief in anything at all...? as an atheist still believes in something... and those who seek out to oppress/control/kill/rule have a belief in their specific causes/goals

it's kind of silly since it's so glaringly obvious but

http://general-history.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/stalin.jpg

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/iconic_leaders/icon00000000006.jpg

http://www.conservapedia.com/images/thumb/1/17/Imer.jpg/300px-Imer.jpg

[Bouncing Bettys]

Much as I suspected, the who's who of the atheist atrocities fallacy.

Here: a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

If you could demonstrate how a lack of belief was the driving force behind Stalin:

Stalin – Most definitely a tyrant, no doubt of that, and also one that openly opposed religion. Now this is where we come to our “Post hoc ergo propter hoc” fallacy … “Stalin was not a believer, Stalin killed millions, therefore atheism caused the death of millions”. The fundamental flaw here is that Stalin was in fact a believer, a fanatical Marxist believer – he personally led the Russian revolution in 1917 alongside Lenin and so he created his own myth. The cause of all that happened and all that followed was not non-belief, but rather was rooted within the combination of his fanatical Marxist idology, his unstable personality, and also his ambition and lust for total power. In fact by 1922 Lenin came to realise that Stalin was too unstable and wanted him removed, but due to his stroke was unable to do this. So what was the root cause, what really made him tick inside …non-belief? No quite clearly not, Stalin was in fact a psychopath, with a lust for power who rose high enough to be able to leverage total control and then proceeded to eliminate any and all opposition.
Mao:
Mao Zedong -Yes, another fanatical Marxist and also a non-believer whose Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, are blamed for millions of deaths. He demonstrated an astonishing disregard for individual human lives and repeatedly affirmed his willingness to sacrifice up to a third of the Chinese population in a nuclear war, an utter fanatic devoted to grasping, then consolidating total power and imposing his ideology upon all, driven not by non-belief, but by a belief in himself and his personality cult.
Do you see a pattern? They weren't driven by non-belief but by power.

Oppenheimer wasn't driven to build a weapon by his desire to spread non-belief.

And don't bother with bringing up Hitler or Pol Pot because they weren't atheists or driven by non-belief.

Atheism is simply a non-belief in a god(s). Nothing more. There's no collection of goals, ideas, belief systems, political system, etc.

[StylinRed]

which is why i asked if you were speaking about religious belief or a belief in anything at all as in their specific causes or goals

but now you're taking the defense that religious people take when they defend their faiths against extremists "oh they don't represent us..."

which i get and is perfectly acceptable, but then on the flip side you can't continue to lay blame on a general religion for the minute minority of extremists

i get what you're saying it's difficult or impossible to see an atheist go on a murderous rampage in the name of their atheism or to spread atheism (never looked into it, but i don't recall any in passing either), but it isn't difficult to find atheists who do go on murderous rampages, or are bigoted/prejudicial towards those who don't believe as they, or create weapons of mass destruction

[CharlesInCharge]

The people in this thread have no leaders.... most of you are so misguided... at-least Jesus would correct some of you to learn right from wrong seen with the shit police threads of the past.

People here idolize sport figures and actresses... "oh shes so pretty"... and have no just political\governmental humans that they look up to.

This is one of my leaders speaking of the Paris attacks.
Kevin Barret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwherviqr3E

[Soundy]

This is one of my leaders

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a0/StarTrek-Gorn.jpg

[flagella]

People who say "don't blame religion" still haven't come up with what they think the alternative would be if region didn't exist. Yes Europe fought wars for centuries over land, but don't think religion wasn't involved there either (catholic vs protestant, christians vs muslims).

It bothers the hell out of me, and I'm sure for many others including atheists/agnostics, that you continue to shift blame to religion every time a thread of this sort comes up. You also need to define what constitutes a religion because the term can be broadly used and a person can in a way be "religious" by having a set of beliefs based on which he/she firmly rests on (doesn't have to be Christianity, Buddhism, Muslim, etc.).

Your belief is so misguided (almost to a point brainwashed) I'm not sure if anything will help you.

The problem is, you need to understand what is driving people to cause catastrophes in this world. Whether you believe in a religion or not, you need to know that humans are indeed born with sins (or use the term flaws if the term "sins" so disturb your sensitive heart). As you become a parent, you will start to clearly see that your lovely children will start lying to you and become ever so greedy without anyone teaching them to be that way.

Greed has driven people to cause tremendous grief in this world, whether it be a smaller scale family issues, to larger scale wars where millions die, or a full-blown financial crisis which impact may not seem obvious to many, but has devastated millions of people. Does it not occur to you that in many instances they have nothing to do with your so-called "religions"? Why are you so fixated on wars resulting from religious conflicts while ignoring all the problems we face in our developed economies?

People will mess up whether religions exist or not because it is in our nature to do so. The sad truth is that religions have been used as a channel to manipulate people in doing even more stupid things. Look at some extreme cases like Jim Jones. Look at Japanese in WWII. They were greedy and wanted more land, and the people were fearless because they believed their God aka the emperors (the pussies who stayed in their comfortable home) will deliver victory to them. Some of them literally believed their emperors will control the wind to their favor thus the term Kamikaze (God wind). I'm of an opinion that if a person doesn't possess an ability to think critically, no religions will save him. It is unfortunate but there are many vulnerable people in this world who are not remotely close to being privileged like us here to grow up in a relatively healthy environment.

This does not lead to religions = bad. The world is also filled with many people of good faith, who are genuinely making positive impact (you can do your own research but Nick Vujicic is a great example). There are countless missionaries out in the third world countries helping those in need. I personally know many missionaries who gave up their lucrative jobs in their comfortable Western world. They aren't out there trying to simply "convert" people by words, but are making tangible impacts because actions speak louder than words and will reflect their faith.

You want to know what the alternative would be if religions don't exist? It won't happen. As the French mathematician Blaise Pascal put it: "What else does this craving, and this helplessness, proclaim but that there was once in man a true happiness, of which all that now remains is the empty print and trace? This he tries in vain to fill with everything around him, seeking in things that are not there the help he cannot find in those that are, though none can help, since this infinite abyss can be filled only with an infinite and immutable object; in other words by God himself".

The gist of it is that there is a God-shaped vacuum in every person that only God can fill. It doesn't take a religious person to know this. Whether rich or poor, humans always have that desire to seek something more, but often in a destructive way. As long as there are people, there will be religions. While many people have turned their lives around and significantly benefited from having a healthy faith, some will inevitably be manipulated to inflict damages to this world. It's just pathetic to see you simply categorizing religions as bad and think the world would perhaps be a better place if they never existed.

You need to, especially as a moderator, stop mindless jumping on the bandwagon of religion bashing. Stop repeating the same crap about religions in every thread like this. Clueless atheists and overzealous religious extremists are the two types of people I can't stand, and you belong to the former group.

[SkinnyPupp]

Religion being a "religion" is irrelevant to my points. Having the ability to indoctrinate people has nothing to do with belief in god or whatever else. Nationalism falls in the same category, I just didn't bring it up because it wasn't involved here.

I didn't say anything about "what if religion didn't exist"

You're too busy being offended to even consider the posts you're responding to. I even chose my wording very carefully to make sure I didn't get into a debate about religion itself.

[frozen]

Took the words right out of my mouth. I'm often too lazy to explain this sort of thing to narrow-minded people like Skinny, so your comments and the one done by inv4zn in the other stupid christian sacrifice thread started by crackhead Ulic are greatly appreciated.

[punkwax]

And in other news, more shooting heard in Paris and police are evacuating people out of certain areas.

[SkinnyPupp]

Took the words right out of my mouth. I'm often too lazy to explain this sort of thing to narrow-minded people like Skinny, so your comments and the one done by inv4zn in the other stupid christian sacrifice thread started by crackhead Ulic are greatly appreciated.
You say I'm narrow minded, yet I'm the only one here asking open minded questions. I've even been very careful with my words not to take too strong of a stance for either side. I'm just trying to get people to respond before continuing to form my own opinion. The problem is, instead of being open minded, I get narrow minded answers like "BLARGH YOU HATE DEH RELIGOUS PEOPEL BrokeBack " and the ball huggers that follow those posts.

If you took the time to consider what's being said, with an open mind, you might have been able to see what I've been getting at here.

If there was a group of 30,000 atheist Germans around the world committing terrorist attacks against anyone who wasn't German would draw the exact same conclusions. Hating anyone because they're not like you fucking sucks. It doesn't matter if the tool you use is Islam or Christianity or any other religion. It doesn't matter if it's because of nationality or socio-economic status. This type of shit needs to stop for humanity to progress.

But yeah, continue to harp about how much I hate religion. Let's just keep going around in circles about that.

[twitchyzero]

you need to know that humans are indeed born with sins (or use the term flaws if the term "sins" so disturb your sensitive heart). As you become a parent, you will start to clearly see that your lovely children will start lying to you and become ever so greedy without anyone teaching them to be that way.



Maybe. Unless they grew up in complete isolation, there's no way to be sure there was zero external influence and they were in fact "born this way"

If an individual is a part of a commune/community, there will always be external influences such as competition for resources and that's where greed comes in...survival of the fittest

[Soundy]

So let's see if I've got this straight: a small extremist faction is bombing and killing and maiming and doing all sorts of nasty shit, both at home and abroad, and when their countrymen decide to escape the madness for a better life, they should all be turned away because, well, they might be terrorists themselves because they share the same country and religion, right?

That about cover it?

Posted by a friend this morning, along with the following link. Well worth the read.

This has specific significance to me because I'm an Irish immigrant... No one has ever suggested my family might have been terrorists, not once. Yet there are people in my family who were involved with the IRA during the Troubles. And that war was about politics, not a doctrinal dispute between Catholics v. Protestants (it wasn't that simple, it never is.) When I point this out to bigots, the usual answer is 'well that's different, the Irish weren't killing people internationally'. Yes, we were. Just not this nation. So if you are someone who is against assisting refugees, or feels it's OK to make crass jokes about Muslim culture (or any race or culture for that matter)., please do me a favor and unfriend me immediately. I have no time for your ignorance and you don't belong in my space. I'm an immigrant from a formerly violent place... And it's not been that long since Ireland got it's shit together.

https://stephentobias.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/if-you-make-racist-comments-on-my-social-media-posts-i-will-treat-you-like-a-racist-because-it-is-2015/

[iEatClams]

So let's see if I've got this straight: a small extremist faction is bombing and killing and maiming and doing all sorts of nasty shit, both at home and abroad, and when their countrymen decide to escape the madness for a better life, they should all be turned away because, well, they might be terrorists themselves because they share the same country and religion, right?

That about cover it?

Posted by a friend this morning, along with the following link. Well worth the read.



https://stephentobias.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/if-you-make-racist-comments-on-my-social-media-posts-i-will-treat-you-like-a-racist-because-it-is-2015/

The thing about bigots and racists etc, is that many people respond to them in ways that are not helpful. We should be trying to educate them instead of ignoring them and pushing them away from our lives. My parents are old school (homophobic, somewhat racist etc) and instead of just ignoring them, my siblings and I have slowly brought up viewpoints and they slowly changed their stances over the years. But yes some people are too dense and after attempts to educate them it's just too difficult to change them and they should be unfriended.

Sometimes people don't realize how much of a racist or bigot they are until other people point it out to them or see the other side of the arguments. I've had views and opinions changed many times in my life, which is why I always wish to see different viewpoints and arguments.

[Sid Vicious]

So let's see if I've got this straight: a small extremist faction is bombing and killing and maiming and doing all sorts of nasty shit, both at home and abroad, and when their countrymen decide to escape the madness for a better life, they should all be turned away because, well, they might be terrorists themselves because they share the same country and religion, right?

That about cover it?

Posted by a friend this morning, along with the following link. Well worth the read.



https://stephentobias.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/if-you-make-racist-comments-on-my-social-media-posts-i-will-treat-you-like-a-racist-because-it-is-2015/

not *might* be terrorists lmfao

as per CNN
Hiding among refugees?
Those revelations come as new details about the attackers emerge.

At least one of the terrorists apparently entered the European Union hidden among the wave of refugees arriving on European shores.

European officials believe, CNN's Christiane Amanpour reports, that there is "a very professional new squad of terrorists inserting themselves into some of wthese migrant voyages."

One of three bombers who detonated themselves at the Stade de France late Friday arrived on the Greek island of Leros on October 3 among numerous Syrian refugees, Amanpour reported, citing an unnamed French senator who was briefed by the Ministry of the Interior.

The man declared himself to be Syrian, said his name was Ahmad al Mohammad and was, under new procedures set up to help refugees, issued a new emergency passport or similar document.

brb screaming RACISM and BIGOTRY when their is literally definitive proof that they are hiding amongst refugees lmao

BUT i'm sure its a great idea to compromise or own security and bend over backwards to accommodate these people.

[Mr.HappySilp]

So let's see if I've got this straight: a small extremist faction is bombing and killing and maiming and doing all sorts of nasty shit, both at home and abroad, and when their countrymen decide to escape the madness for a better life, they should all be turned away because, well, they might be terrorists themselves because they share the same country and religion, right?

That about cover it?

Posted by a friend this morning, along with the following link. Well worth the read.



https://stephentobias.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/if-you-make-racist-comments-on-my-social-media-posts-i-will-treat-you-like-a-racist-because-it-is-2015/

How do you know the refugee we are bringing in isn't part of the " small extremist faction is bombing and killing and maiming and doing all sorts of nasty shit, both at home and abroad." Can you 100% guarantee all the refugee are safe and is no threat to Canada and doesn't pose a security thread?

We have to bring in 25k refugee by end of year. There is no way to possible run all the security checks to make sure they are safe.
https://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2015/10/22/fbi-director-james-comey-says-it-again-they-cannot-screen-syrian-refugees-entering-the-us/ and I qoute " FBI director James Comey said during a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing on Wednesday that the federal government does not have the ability to conduct thorough background checks on all of the 10,000 Syrian refugees that the Obama administration says will be allowed to come to the U.S." If the FBI admits they can't run all the security checks to ensure 10k refugee they bring in is no thread, how can we Canada ensure all 25k refugee we bring in are no thread to Canadians. We have less man power than the states, we are not as good as gathering inel as the US.

Back in those country there are hardly any records of personal info. If we can't determine if they are the "small extremist faction is bombing and killing and maiming and doing all sorts of nasty shit, both at home and abroad" or the "same no thread citizen" we are putting our own citizens at risk.

Why are we putting our citizens at risk when other countries who shares the same boarders with these refugee's countries refuse to let them in? Why is European nations tightening its restriction on refugees?

[68style]

^
Dude how many people enter Canada every single day from land, sea and air? How do we guarantee all those people don't have ill intent (with far less checking and random inspection I might add)?

Don't be stupid.

[murd0c]

I really wonder about those who are complaining about the Syrian refugees coming to Canada had family immigrate to Canada as well? I know my family came here from eastern Europe after the end of WW2 and I'm so very thankful they had the opportunity. One thing that Makes Canada great is our multiculturalism and our willing to give people that have nothing the ability to come to a country to be able to live in equal freedom and peace. It really makes me sad seeing all of this hate and racism, thats not the mind frame that built Canada and helped make us one of the best countries on planet Earth.

[Mr.C]

So those saying we need to stop allowing the refugees for security concerns? Shall we close the borders? Shall we start sending previously landed immigrants back based on their religion due to heightened probability of a terrorist attack from them?
What exactly is it that will make you happy?
For how many immigrants or first generation Canadians there are on here, there sure is a lot of fucking entitlement to YOUR personal country. Take a look at how you and so many of your friends and family ended up here, wether it was 10, or 100 years ago.

I come from a country where 200 people are murdered every. fucking. day. Violence is rampant. My family came in legally and passed through all the proper security checks, because there are a ton of people in Brazil that will fuck you up if given the chance.

So why take the chance? Do the proper checks, help out people who are considered low risk, and it's all fine and dandy.

Edit: Or don't. Start letting Brazilians in indiscriminately, and those little gang wars in Surrey will look like kids playing cops and robbers.

That's the real risk.

[Bouncing Bettys]

I simply do not trust people who display an inability or unwillingness to take a step back from their beliefs in the face of overwhelming fact. People of all religions, modern feminists, truthers, people who believe in ghosts/ouija boards/alien visitation, etc. - they all display irrational thought to some degree. Under the right circumstances, irrational thought can turn to dangerous levels, much like you see with these terrorists. If being distrustful of people who exhibit unshakeable irrational beliefs, from the clueless university social justice warrior to the ISIS sympathiser, makes me a bigot and not someone exercising common sense, then so be it.

Study finds religion actually tends to make kids less generous
Study finds religion actually tends to make kids less generous - ScienceAlert (http://www.sciencealert.com/study-finds-religion-actually-tends-to-make-kids-less-generous)
Religious parents have lots of reasons for wanting to bring their kids up within their chosen faith, and one of those reasons will often be the desire to ensure that their child grows up to become a generous, fair-minded and altruistic individual.

But does it work? A new international study has examined the behaviour of children growing up in six countries and found that the opposite is in fact the case, with children from religious upbringings demonstrating significantly less altruism than their non-religious peers.


“Our findings contradict the common-sense and popular assumption that children from religious households are more altruistic and kind toward others,” said Jean Decety, a professor in psychology and psychiatry at the University of Chicago. “In our study, kids from atheist and non-religious families were, in fact, more generous.”

A team of developmental psychologists studied the behaviour of more than 1,100 children between the ages of five and 12 in six countries: Canada, China, Jordan, South Africa, Turkey and the US. What they were looking for was the children’s tendency to share – a measure of their altruism and generosity – and also how likely they were to judge others or punish them for perceived bad behaviour.

To measure kids’ sense of altruism, the researchers had the children play a game in which they had the ability to share stickers (if they chose to, that is). To gauge their moral sensitivity, the kids watched animations of characters that bumped one another, either by accident or not, and were asked to comment on what they saw and determine the level of punishment required if any.

In addition to the testing, the parents of the children filled out questionnaires detailing their religious practices and beliefs, with the families being categorised into three groups: Christian, Muslim, or non-religious. Other religious groups were also present, but not in statistically significant proportions for the purposes of the study.

What the researchers found is that the religious children were significantly less likely to share their stickers than the kids from non-religious backgrounds. This non-altruistic behaviour was also more pronounced in children who had been exposed to religion for a longer time, although all the kids in the study in general showed more inclination to share as they grew older.

The religious kids were also more likely to favour stronger punishments for the anti-social behaviour and interpersonal harm they witnessed in the animations – and were harsher in their judgment than non-religious children when it came to assessing the meanness of characters onscreen bumping into one another.

“Together, these results reveal the similarity across countries in how religion negatively influences children’s altruism,” said Decety. “They challenge the view that religiosity facilitates prosocial behaviour, and call into question whether religion is vital for moral development – suggesting the secularisation of moral discourse does not reduce human kindness. In fact, it does just the opposite.”

The findings, which are published in Current Biology, may make people in some quarters reconsider some assumptions about the necessarily positive effects of religion on a person’s moral development.

“This view is unfortunately so deeply embedded that individuals who are not religious can be considered morally suspect,” said Decety. “In the United States, for instance, non-religious individuals have little chance to be elected to a high political office, and those who identify as agnostic and atheist are considered to be less trustworthy and more likely to be amoral or even immoral.”

[frozen]

You say I'm narrow minded, yet I'm the only one here asking open minded questions. I've even been very careful with my words not to take too strong of a stance for either side. I'm just trying to get people to respond before continuing to form my own opinion. The problem is, instead of being open minded, I get narrow minded answers like "BLARGH YOU HATE DEH RELIGOUS PEOPEL BrokeBack " and the ball huggers that follow those posts.

If you took the time to consider what's being said, with an open mind, you might have been able to see what I've been getting at here.

If there was a group of 30,000 atheist Germans around the world committing terrorist attacks against anyone who wasn't German would draw the exact same conclusions. Hating anyone because they're not like you fucking sucks. It doesn't matter if the tool you use is Islam or Christianity or any other religion. It doesn't matter if it's because of nationality or socio-economic status. This type of shit needs to stop for humanity to progress.

But yeah, continue to harp about how much I hate religion. Let's just keep going around in circles about that.

Your question is pointless, and perhaps open-ended at best, not to mention your track record of trashing religions in various threads. The question you posed leads nowhere on an online forum like this as you could tell with bunch of moronic replies whenever the topic of religion is involved.

"Hating anyone because they're not like you fucking sucks."

Exactly, you said it right there, and it ends there. Whatever you want to discuss leads nowhere. Religions will continue to exist. They will bring hope to many but will lead certain people astray. I don't need to harp about how much you hate religion. You reek of hatred towards religion :rofl:.

[JHatta]

France just bombed ISIS stronghold

French jets bomb Syria in the ISIS stronghold of Raqqa - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/15/middleeast/france-announces-raqqa-airstrikes-on-isis/index.html)

(CNN)French fighter jets bombed a series of ISIS sites in Raqqa, Syria, on Sunday in what officials described as a major bombardment.

The airstrikes came two days after a series of terrorist attacks in Paris. ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attacks, which France's President described as "an act of war."

ISIS claims Raqqa as the capital of its so-called caliphate. The targets in Sunday's airstrikes included a command center, a recruitment center, an ammunition storage base and a training camp for the terror group, said Mickael Soria, press adviser for France's defense minister.

Paris attacks: Authorities hunt for a French national

Twelve aircraft, including 10 fighter jets, were involved in the airstrikes, Soria said. Twenty bombs were dropped, he said, and all of the targets were destroyed.

A pro-ISIS news agency claimed the sites had been abandoned before they were hit.

Military analyst: Strikes are 'symbolic'
France has been conducting airstrikes against ISIS targets in Syria since September as part of a U.S.-led coalition.

But the timing of Sunday's airstrikes likely was no coincidence, analysts said.

"Clearly, it's a military activity, but it really sends a very strong political message, and it's all for internal consumption within France," said retired Maj. Gen. James "Spider" Marks, a CNN military analyst. "This is very visceral. The types of targets they strike right now really are symbolic. From the French perspective, something has to be done."

But it's not just difficult to know what's going on inside the ISIS stronghold, said Janine di Giovanni, Newsweek's Middle East editor. It's also hard, she said, to gauge the best strategy for fighting back.

"I think that it's very complicated, launching airstrikes like this as a retribution, but also as a way of wiping out ISIS," she said. "Because, the other thing is, that you can't wipe out an ideology. You might be able to suppress them militarily, or you might be able to cut off some of their lines, but you can't suppress the key message they're spreading."

What impact did airstrikes have?
It's hard to know what's happening on the ground inside Raqqa. Since ISIS took over, the city has become increasingly isolated -- with an activist group known as Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silently providing outsiders with a harrowing glimpse of the city's transformation.

On Sunday, the activist collective said that the city appeared to be bracing for an attack even before the French airstrikes began.

ISIS fighters in Raqqa had expected retaliatory airstrikes and evacuated key facilities, including their headquarters, operation and security buildings, a member of Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silently said.

Streets were empty, the activists said, markets were less crowded than usual and sheikhs in mosques said they expected the city to be struck.

The airstrikes hit several key ISIS facilities, including the city's stadium, activists said, used by ISIS as both its headquarters and a jail. It was not immediately clear what the damage was. So far, according to Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silently, there have been no reports of civilian casualties.

The pro-ISIS news agency Amaaq also said the sites hit by airstrikes had been abandoned. CNN has not independently confirmed the groups' reports.

ISIS in Raqqa was previously the target of retaliatory airstrikes in February. Two days after news emerged that the group had burned a captive Jordanian pilot to death, the Middle Eastern nation hit back. At the time, ISIS posted photos of the destruction from the Jordanian airstrikes and the activist Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 10 militants were killed.




Also, saw this picture on Reddit: A picture inside one of the hospitals in Paris.

http://i.imgur.com/vXX5Ckj.jpg

Crazy.

[Manic!]

I wonder if any country will be willing to put boots on the ground.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^
Dude how many people enter Canada every single day from land, sea and air? How do we guarantee all those people don't have ill intent (with far less checking and random inspection I might add)?

Don't be stupid.

What who are screen properly, ppl who have a legal background back in their home country that can be track be. Ever wonder why is so difficult for certain countries to apply Visa to Canada? Is for security.

We can lower our risk by limiting the number of people from high risk country in and do a more through security check. Blindly accepting 25k refugee when you can't even screen legitimate people who apply to immigrant to Canada legally is just stupid.

All the nearby countries isn't accepting any refugee is there something they know that we aren't aware? Why is all the European countries tighting their policy on refugee? Is it possible they too can't tell if the refugee actually trying to start a better life or they are terrorist simply trying to cause chaos. Why should we put our citizen at risk when we fully know the 25k refugee coming in won't be properly screen for security, or health? When we have the chance now to stop this from happening.

[iEatClams]

All I'm saying is, the title is misleading.

I don't know what ya'll interpreted as.

Bombings, killings, etc. all over the middle east yet nobody gives a rats ass. Some hostage take over gets put on mainstream media and everyone finds it interesting to discuss about. Needless to say, RIP to those in Paris.

As others have posted, it's because many of us have been to Paris and can relate to it easier.

Also, most of us wake up everyday knowing that there's a small chance we might die in a car accident, get hit crossing the street etc. We can accept that. We can't accept thinking that we might get bombed going to see a concert or eating at our favorite restaurants. And we certainly don't want it to be the norm like in other countries. Hence that's why people are discussing it.

[nsmb]

What who are screen properly, ppl who have a legal background back in their home country that can be track be. Ever wonder why is so difficult for certain countries to apply Visa to Canada? Is for security.

We can lower our risk by limiting the number of people from high risk country in and do a more through security check. Blindly accepting 25k refugee when you can't even screen legitimate people who apply to immigrant to Canada legally is just stupid.

All the nearby countries isn't accepting any refugee is there something they know that we aren't aware? Why is all the European countries tighting their policy on refugee? Is it possible they too can't tell if the refugee actually trying to start a better life or they are terrorist simply trying to cause chaos. Why should we put our citizen at risk when we fully know the 25k refugee coming in won't be properly screen for security, or health? When we have the chance now to stop this from happening.


nice english dude, fuckin lol'd

how long have u been in canada?

[Hondaracer]

the whole letting 25k people in over 6 weeks also makes an absolute sham out of the people who are legitimately trying to immigrate to this country.

There was a story not too long ago of a man who owned a shwarma place, might have been downtown, cant remember. Anyways, the guy has moved here, established a successful business, built up roots, and has been trying for the last 2 years to bring at least portions of his family over to Canada.

So a guy, who has legally migrated to Canada, worked his ASS off to make something of himself, and has taken all the proper avenues in order to bring his family over here has been in limbo for 2 years to bring a wife and young children over to Canada

Yet.. we are willing to bring people, who in a lot of cases have absolutely no legitimate background records, coming from war torn areas known to willingly harbor 'extremists' and essentially open the gates for them, providing housing, social assistance, health care, etc. etc.

in SIX WEEKS NO LESS?

Jesus.. some people here sure are short sighted in their views.. Bleeding hearts claiming racism and bigotry over a call to judgement on having arguably the highest risk refugee's ever seen by the world basically skip all proper forms of emigration and be awarded a passport on arrival?

Yes, Canada is a melting pot of cultures and peoples, and thats whats makes it so great. But as i said on the last page, this scenario is unlike one there has ever been.

I know plenty of immigrants, and I myself am basically a 3rd generation Canadian on my fathers side. However, of all the immigrants i know, or am a part of. None have came to Canada this way. Not one person who ever came here from elsewhere and made something of themselves who i know was given a free pass. They scraped tooth and nail to become a Canadian citizen, worked harder than most people will ever know, and are PROUD of what they did and what they have become.

PROUD to be a Canadian.

Hand out free passes like it's a playland ride and healthcare to some guy who got on a boat to Europe because they knew hand-outs awaited them there? fuckk...

Scary times.

[Tapioca]

There's a difference between refugees and regular immigrants: we let refugees in on an expedited basis because we have reason to believe that they would face persecution or murder in their home countries. When it comes to refugees, it's a matter of life or death. The international community recognized long ago that refugees are particular cases that require special attention. Canada lets in far more immigrants under the regular streams than it does under the refugee stream. Many of the young men who have walked across Europe are looking for a better life, but if they had remained in Syria, they would have likely faced two choices - death, or joining ISIS. What would you prefer?

HappySlip:
The reason why Europe is "closing their borders" is because most European countries have integration issues rooted in historical xenophobia. Most immigrants live in ghettos and are not fully participating members of European societies (unless they're athletes). Canada does a far better job of integrating immigrants. Sure there are ethnic enclaves here, but most immigrants have a reasonable chance of success if they work hard and decide to become active in the wider community.

[tiger_handheld]

I think Mr.Trudeau is going to have a wake up call real soon if he keeps going with the 25,000 refugee policy. Clearly being a "peoples PM" is clouding his judgement. #prayforcanada
If French intel can't screen these folk, I highly doubt CSIS can do any better.

[Hehe]

Also, saw this picture on Reddit: A picture inside one of the hospitals in Paris.


Crazy.

One thing I always wonder, in events like this, who pay the medical bill?

I can't imagine they billing the victims afterwards, but someone has to pay for all that and I'm sure all those emergency trauma treatments aren't cheap.

[Hondaracer]

One thing that has never added up for me is what exactly is ISIS? Or the so-called group of this Islamic state extremists?

I've watched a few documentaries, read lots on the subject and the exact number or identity of the group is always so shrouded I do not know what to think.

Earlier estimates had "ISIS" pegged at approx 30-100,000 individuals. More recent numbers seem to be closer to 300,000.

While most news outlets will take a biased stance on the subject the majority of them seem to always describe Isis as this singular entity. They talk about them like they are this churning machine "Isis is making billions off oil sales" "Isis is funding their recruitment and armourment" "Isis has resources and liquidity"

Some of the best run organizations in the world, operating in the most ideal situations possible, have trouble with the logistics and planning of the movement and delivery of a singular product. Yet I'm suppose to buy into the fact that some guys on humvees have the business of terrorism down to a well oiled machine? Hmm.. I don't know..

I'd say that it's fairly clear the individuals or groups involved in the terror attacks are small cells of the larger body acting almost strictly within themselves. They do not have "orders" from the higher ups, they have not received directives from other parties. They form plans and act on their own accord. Which in a lot of ways is what makes this whole thing that much scarier. There are not transmissions to intercept. There are not people coming from far away who are flagged prior.

So, if the majority of attacks are done by these cells, and there are approx 300,000 members basically running free shot over Syria etc and "forcing" these people to leave, this isn't somthing that can be handled via military force?

Obviously the general public will never be let into the intimate details, however just on the surface I beleive there is far more out there than the public has any idea.

A big thing for me is Russia's involvement. Yes, they seemingly have personal interests in the regions and the groups involved, however as has been well documented, over the past few months Russia has been bombing the fuck out of the region. Cruise missiles from sea like the one that fell into Iran are bombarding the hot areas.

U.S. Media seems to bring it up with a negative spin, however Obama and others seem to stay tight lipped, almost as to say, go ahead, keep doing it so we don't have to get our hands dirty and see where it takes us.

It's all very confusing and in the dark to me, and I've read and learned quite a bit on it and almost everything to do with it is an unknown

[Manic!]

One thing I always wonder, in events like this, who pay the medical bill?

I can't imagine they billing the victims afterwards, but someone has to pay for all that and I'm sure all those emergency trauma treatments aren't cheap.

They have government funded healthcare like Canada.

[Lomac]

the whole letting 25k people in over 6 weeks also makes an absolute sham out of the people who are legitimately trying to immigrate to this country.

There was a story not too long ago of a man who owned a shwarma place, might have been downtown, cant remember. Anyways, the guy has moved here, established a successful business, built up roots, and has been trying for the last 2 years to bring at least portions of his family over to Canada.

So a guy, who has legally migrated to Canada, worked his ASS off to make something of himself, and has taken all the proper avenues in order to bring his family over here has been in limbo for 2 years to bring a wife and young children over to Canada

Yet.. we are willing to bring people, who in a lot of cases have absolutely no legitimate background records, coming from war torn areas known to willingly harbor 'extremists' and essentially open the gates for them, providing housing, social assistance, health care, etc. etc.

in SIX WEEKS NO LESS?

Jesus.. some people here sure are short sighted in their views.. Bleeding hearts claiming racism and bigotry over a call to judgement on having arguably the highest risk refugee's ever seen by the world basically skip all proper forms of emigration and be awarded a passport on arrival?

Yes, Canada is a melting pot of cultures and peoples, and thats whats makes it so great. But as i said on the last page, this scenario is unlike one there has ever been.

I know plenty of immigrants, and I myself am basically a 3rd generation Canadian on my fathers side. However, of all the immigrants i know, or am a part of. None have came to Canada this way. Not one person who ever came here from elsewhere and made something of themselves who i know was given a free pass. They scraped tooth and nail to become a Canadian citizen, worked harder than most people will ever know, and are PROUD of what they did and what they have become.

PROUD to be a Canadian.

Hand out free passes like it's a playland ride and healthcare to some guy who got on a boat to Europe because they knew hand-outs awaited them there? fuckk...

Scary times.

As mentioned, refugee vs immigrant. Different requirements, different process, different screening, etc., etc.

I'm what's considered to be a 1.5 generation Canadian. Why is that relevant? Well, my grandparents immigrated to Canada under refugee status after WW2. Nothing particularly odd about that, I know. However, what makes in interesting is that my Opa was part of General Rommel's Afrika Korps. Sure, he was conscripted and he was merely a field doctor, but he still had the Nazi stigma attached to his name. And yet, even after WW2 ended, he and the rest of his family still managed to gain refugee status here in Canada. He wasn't antisemite (as far as I have been able to gather, at least lol), but he was still an evil German Nazi in the eyes of the general public.

I bring this up because, well, part of the whole acceptance of taking in refugees is believing that people who need help deserve what we can give. It's a chance of having a better life, away from persecution or illegal prosecution.

I'm half asleep, but I know my point is made in there somewhere. Might just have to read between the lines more than usual. lol

[Soundy]

I know my family came here from eastern Europe after the end of WW2 and I'm so very thankful they had the opportunity.
Dude, that means you're a fucking communist! How did you even get in here??

My family came in legally and passed through all the proper security checks, because there are a ton of people in Brazil that will fuck you up if given the chance.

So why take the chance? Do the proper checks, help out people who are considered low risk, and it's all fine and dandy.

I must have missed the part where there's no plan to actually do regular refugee screening on these Syrians. I mean, people keep going on as if they're just all going to be allowed to step off the plane and disappear into the fabric of the country, but I've never seen a statement from the government that it's actually going to be that easy. Sounds like a bunch more paranoid fearmongering to me.

What who are screen properly, ppl who have a legal background back in their home country that can be track be.
:fulloffuck:

And how did YOU get into the country?? Speak fucking English or go back where you came from :moderated:

All the nearby countries isn't accepting any refugee is there something they know that we aren't aware?
Maybe... or maybe they're just all reactionary like so many people over here. Main difference, of course, is that refugees have been streaming in by land with little to stop them until recently. There's a few thousand miles of water stopping that from happening here.

the whole letting 25k people in over 6 weeks also makes an absolute sham out of the people who are legitimately trying to immigrate to this country.
Ummm.... THIS:

There's a difference between refugees and regular immigrants: we let refugees in on an expedited basis because we have reason to believe that they would face persecution or murder in their home countries. When it comes to refugees, it's a matter of life or death. The international community recognized long ago that refugees are particular cases that require special attention.

If French intel can't screen these folk, I highly doubt CSIS can do any better.
As far as I've heard, these bombers were not among the Syrian refugees, so "French intel screening these folk" really isn't relevant. I recall hearing (I'll try to find a link) that one of them that was killed was identified and his movements tracked, and he bounced around a few different places on route to Paris, and the only connection to the refugees was that he'd stopped off for a day or two in a refugee camp before moving along on his own.

Here's a bit:
Paris terror suspects: Everything we know about the Isil attackers so far - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11996120/Paris-attack-what-we-know-about-the-suspects.html)

"At least one of the suicide bombers was a French citizen called Omar Ismail Mostefai, who was known to security services... who lived in Chartres, south west of Paris."

"AFP reported this morning that Mostefai was born on November 21 1985 in the poor Paris suburb of Courcouronnes."

BORN IN FRANCE. NOT AN IMMIGRANT, NOT A REFUGEE.

"French police have put out a request for witnesses in search of Belgium-born Abdeslam Saleh, calling him dangerous."

Also NOT A REFUGEE.

"Bilal Hadfi has been named in the media as one of the terrorists who attacked the Stade de France. He reportedly fought with Isil in Syria and lived in Belgium prior to the attacks."

Traveling from Belgium to France is almost as easy as traveling from BC to Alberta, so what kind of immigration/refugee screening would have stopped him?

"Likewise, in August, a Frenchman arrested on his return from Syria after a short stay in Raqqa mentioned instructions from Isil to target a concert hall."

Again, NOT A REFUGEE, but another French citizen attacking his own homeland.

"In September, three Americans foiled a gun attack by Ayoub El-Khazzani, a Moroccan jihadist, on a Paris-bound Thalys train he boarded in Brussels."

Not a refugee, not an immigrant, not a Syrian... just someone who hopped on a train like any other tourist.

[Manic!]

I come from a country where 200 people are murdered every. fucking. day. Violence is rampant. My family came in legally and passed through all the proper security checks, because there are a ton of people in Brazil that will fuck you up if given the chance.

So why take the chance? Do the proper checks, help out people who are considered low risk, and it's all fine and dandy.

Edit: Or don't. Start letting Brazilians in indiscriminately, and those little gang wars in Surrey will look like kids playing cops and robbers.

That's the real risk.

Are you really trying to compare Brazil with Syria?

[GS8]

You know who is really to blame for all of this right?

http://wadejohnston1962.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/50-star-flag-big.png

You forgot their Middle Eastern puppet masters

Seems many nations love to rub the King's oiled up dick

http://il7.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/3031543/thumb/1.jpg?i10c=img.resize(height:72)

[Mr.C]

Are you really trying to compare Brazil with Syria?

Yes. UN says that around 200k have been killed in the last 4 years in Syria. Brazil has an average of 70k murders per year. Brazil has had roughly one million homicides from 1984-2014. That's, like, more deaths than Iraq War I + II. Or twice the number of US casualties in WWII.

Although we're not in a declared state of war, we have bombings, mass assassinations where a guy with a gun will walk into a bar and shoot 40 people, and general lawlessness.

[Hondaracer]

Can we just call a spade a spade and say yes, we actually don't give a fuck about the killings In these other countries which happen on a "daily" basis compared to a western "safe" nation like France?

Honestly, in places like Lebanon, in the last 20 years there have been more years of terror and violence than not. Places where home grown terror runs rampant and outside forces come and go, truly, I don't care.

[Manic!]

Yes. UN says that around 200k have been killed in the last 4 years in Syria. Brazil has an average of 70k murders per year. Brazil has had roughly one million homicides from 1984-2014. That's, like, more deaths than Iraq War I + II. Or twice the number of US casualties in WWII.

Although we're not in a declared state of war, we have bombings, mass assassinations where a guy with a gun will walk into a bar and shoot 40 people, and general lawlessness.

Brazil also held the last world cup of soccer and is holding the next summer Olympics.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Here's a bit:
Paris terror suspects: Everything we know about the Isil attackers so far - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11996120/Paris-attack-what-we-know-about-the-suspects.html)

"At least one of the suicide bombers was a French citizen called Omar Ismail Mostefai, who was known to security services... who lived in Chartres, south west of Paris."

"AFP reported this morning that Mostefai was born on November 21 1985 in the poor Paris suburb of Courcouronnes."

BORN IN FRANCE. NOT AN IMMIGRANT, NOT A REFUGEE.

"French police have put out a request for witnesses in search of Belgium-born Abdeslam Saleh, calling him dangerous."

Also NOT A REFUGEE.

"Bilal Hadfi has been named in the media as one of the terrorists who attacked the Stade de France. He reportedly fought with Isil in Syria and lived in Belgium prior to the attacks."

Traveling from Belgium to France is almost as easy as traveling from BC to Alberta, so what kind of immigration/refugee screening would have stopped him?

"Likewise, in August, a Frenchman arrested on his return from Syria after a short stay in Raqqa mentioned instructions from Isil to target a concert hall."

Again, NOT A REFUGEE, but another French citizen attacking his own homeland.

"In September, three Americans foiled a gun attack by Ayoub El-Khazzani, a Moroccan jihadist, on a Paris-bound Thalys train he boarded in Brussels."

Not a refugee, not an immigrant, not a Syrian... just someone who hopped on a train like any other tourist.

Paris attack sees 129 dead after Eagles of Death Metal concert hostages are killed | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3317776/Paris-attack-sees-150-dead-Eagles-Death-Metal-concert-hostages-killed.html)
[/B]Two of the gunmen believed to have travelled to France by disguising themselves as migrants entering via Greece[/B]

https://emeka350.wordpress.com/2015/11/15/two-of-the-gunmen-travelled-via-greece-through-migrant-route-to-carry-out-deadly-attacks-in-france/

Passport Found Next To Paris Suicide Bomber Belongs To Syrian "Political Refugee" Who Entered Greece | Zero Hedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-14/link-emerges-passport-found-next-paris-suicide-bomber-belongs-syrian-refugee-who-ent)
The passport was recorded by Greek officials on Oct. 3, Greek Deputy Citizen Protection Minister Nikos Toskas said on a statement posted on the ministry’s website Saturday. Toskas said he didn’t know whether the passport was later processed by other authorities elsewhere in Europe.

The full statement, google translated:

Statement by the Deputy Minister of Citizen Protection Nikos Tosca on terrorist attacks in Paris



The Deputy Minister of Citizen Protection Nikos Toskas announces the following:



"On the case of the Syrian passport found at the scene of the terrorist attack.



We announce that the passport holder, had passed from Leros on 03.10.2015 where identified based on EU rules, as decided at the Summit on the refugee issue.



We do not know if the passport was checked by other countries which are likely to be passed by the holder.



We will continue the painstaking and persistent effort under difficult circumstances to ensure the security of our country and Europe, insisting on complete identification of passing through the refugee stream.

Paris attacks: Second terrorist named as Ahmed Almuhamed 'was posing as Syrian refugee' - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/paris-attacks-second-terrorist-named-6835204)

I guess you are right there all the attacks are not carry out by Syrian refugee. I am so so so so sorry we got incorrect info. And that 0 terrorist have disguise themselves as refugee. Everyone who claims they are a Syrian refugee is indeed one and none will pose any security thread to anyone.:rukidding::rukidding::rukidding:

[SkinnyPupp]

I would question any sources claiming that any of these terrorists were refugees... So you have two shitty tabloids, a personal blog, and zero hedge, which is basically The Onion to anyone who isn't a conspiracy nutcase crackpot BrokeBack

They may have been, but I'd want more solid sources than these...

[Mr.C]

Brazil also held the last world cup of soccer and is holding the next summer Olympics.

Yes.

Thankfully, our major cities haven't been carpet bombed. But the death toll is warlike.

[Manic!]

Yes.

Thankfully, our major cities haven't been carpet bombed. But the death toll is warlike.

But Brazil is a lot safer than Syria right?

[Hondaracer]

Sask. premier wants Justin to suspend taking on Syrian refugee's:

Saskatchewan premier wants Trudeau to suspend plan for 25,000 Syrian refugees - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/11/16/saskatchewan-premier-suspend-plan-refugees/)

As well, now many U.S. Senators are calling for a complete stop to bringing in Syrian refugee's to their state/US

Dem bigot racists doe

[Hondaracer]

As mentioned, refugee vs immigrant. Different requirements, different process, different screening, etc., etc.

I'm what's considered to be a 1.5 generation Canadian. Why is that relevant? Well, my grandparents immigrated to Canada under refugee status after WW2. Nothing particularly odd about that, I know. However, what makes in interesting is that my Opa was part of General Rommel's Afrika Korps. Sure, he was conscripted and he was merely a field doctor, but he still had the Nazi stigma attached to his name. And yet, even after WW2 ended, he and the rest of his family still managed to gain refugee status here in Canada. He wasn't antisemite (as far as I have been able to gather, at least lol), but he was still an evil German Nazi in the eyes of the general public.

I bring this up because, well, part of the whole acceptance of taking in refugees is believing that people who need help deserve what we can give. It's a chance of having a better life, away from persecution or illegal prosecution.

I'm half asleep, but I know my point is made in there somewhere. Might just have to read between the lines more than usual. lol

I'll play devils advocate and say that singular members of the Nazi's, even if they were the worst of the worst had very little risk as a singular entity coming into Canada.

Hell, even in occupied areas during WW2 without well orchestrated orders and guidance, the nazi occupation virtually crumbled and that was with hundreds to thousands of German soldiers. So to say bringing in one, ten, or even a hundred nazi's to Canada, in the big picture probably posed little to no risk to the general populous.

On the other hand, you bring in 25k Syrians, and have 10 that share extremist views. That could end in devastating consequences.

Like I said earlier, this is a completely different, unseen, set of circumstances.

[7seven]

I would question any sources claiming that any of these terrorists were refugees... So you have two shitty tabloids, a personal blog, and zero hedge, which is basically The Onion to anyone who isn't a conspiracy nutcase crackpot BrokeBack

They may have been, but I'd want more solid sources than these...

ABC News

The ISIS ‘Refugee’ Journey to Terror in Paris - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/isis-refugee-journey-terror-paris/story?id=35220868)

Paris Bomber Sneaked in With Refugees, Officials Say
By BRIAN ROSS DRAGANA JOVANOVIC Nov 15, 2015, 6:36 PM ET

The route from Turkey across the Mediterranean and into Europe has been a perilous one for thousands of refugees fleeing the violence in Syria, but European authorities say one terrorist hidden among the innocents on a packed Greece-bound boat in early October was determined to bring the bloodshed with him -- all the way to Paris.

A slideshow presentation created by the Greek government says the man, who was identified as Ahmad Almohammad on identification documents but could have used an alias, was recorded coming into the Greek island of Leros on Oct. 3. He arrived on a boat with 197 other people from Turkey.

He had his photo taken and was fingerprinted, in accordance with Greek immigration policy, and shipped to mainland Greece. European officials say from there the man calling himself Almohammad made his way through Serbia on Oct. 7 and then Croatia on Oct. 8. From there he went on through Hungary and Austria, according to European officials.

From there, however, the trail goes cold. The slideshow presentation shows the possible routes the man could’ve taken to his final destination, but in various possible border crossings, it notes that his transit was not recorded.

Just over a month later, French and Greek authorities say, the man emerges outside a crowded soccer stadium in Paris where he, after reportedly having been denied entry by security guards, detonated the suicide vest, killing himself and a bystander. His Syrian passport somehow survived the explosion, giving police one of their first clues in what would become one of the most horrific terrorist attacks in history.

According to French police officials, his bombing was the first in a string of shootings and bombings that would claim more than 120 lives in Paris that night, and injure more than 350 others.

Early Saturday the Syria-based terror group ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was the first in a coming “storm.”


CNN has it too

'Ahmad al Muhammad' (false name)
Status: Dead

Residence: Unknown; immigrated with Syrian refugees

Suspected of: Stadium suicide bomber (Stade de France)

One of three bombers who detonated themselves at the Stade de France late Friday arrived on the Greek island of Leros on October 3 among numerous Syrian refugees, CNN's Christiane Amanpour reported, citing an unnamed French senator who was briefed by the Ministry of the Interior.

Suicide bomber smuggled in with refugees 06:11

This man held an emergency passport or similar document and falsely declared himself to be a Syrian named Ahmad al Muhammad, born on September 10, 1990, the senator said. The man was allowed to enter Greece on October 3 and, from there, moved to Macedonia, then Serbia and Croatia, where he registered in the Opatovac refugee camp, the lawmaker said.

Eventually, he made his way to Paris, where he was one of three men who blew themselves up at the Stade de France.

Paris suspects: What we know - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/paris-attacks-suspects-profiles/index.html)

[nma]

Thank you to people who still have some common sense. Soundy and Westopher, who actually spend the time to try to educate people. If not for people like you, I probably wouldn't even be allowed to live here. I immigrated to Canada at a very young age and I'm very lucky my parents were able to bring my family here. Not, I'm not Muslin, but if everyone thought the way that a SURPRISINGLY LARGE percentage of people here do (NOT just the forum, but I read the comments on Global News' FB Page), then the immigration laws would be so fucked up that I wouldn't have even had a fucking chance.

People WAKE THE FUCK UP. What does a Syrian refugee have ANYTHING to do with some fucking retards bombing and shooting up Paris?!?! Why are you less likely to let in refugees AFTER the attack as opposed to BEFORE? Are you telling me that 25,000 people suddenly became a terrorist threat because somewhere 1000s of miles away, a handful of retards decided to plot an attack? Terrorists are going to find a way to fuck shit up regardless Canada accepts refugees or not.

While I agree there are obvious precautions that need to be taken to protect our country, being a full out racist is only going to make the problem worse. How would you feel if all of a sudden, your religion of ethnicity got labelled as terrorist? Why don't you put yourself in the shoes of these people and just think for a fucking second.. How would you go about your life? How do you clear your name? Do you just go ahead and end your life? If anything, reading all this shit would just make me so fucking furious.

There is so much that we don't know about this World and how it is truly run, I find it insane how people can make such radical comments.. Mind is absolutely fucking blown. I hope that these people, wherever they are from, and whatever religion they choose to follow, find peace and harmony. I can't even imagine what sort of bullshit they have experienced in the last 5 years or so.

[Mr.C]

But Brazil is a lot safer than Syria right?

Define safe.

There are 70,000 murders per year. Is that safe?

[murd0c]

Dude, that means you're a fucking communist! How did you even get in here??

My Opa bribed some people with his pipe tobacco to get fake passports which got them on the boat and it was smooth sailing.

Best part is I'm 100% serious about that lol

[inv4zn]

^Safe as in, are you going to suddenly die while buying some fruit.

I know nothing about Brazil's state, nor do I have any facts, but maybe a large number of the 70,000 murders are all gang related, or something?

In that case, yes, it would be safer than Syria.

[pastarocket]

I agree with the Saskatchewan premier on a suspension of the entry of Syrian refugees into Canada.

Trudeau and the Liberals need to make sure that very detailed background checks are done on every Syrian that is applying for refugee status. Sharing of information between Canada and other countries is vital to ensure we don't get any people who have plans to kill Canadians in the name of "Allah".

I realize that no screening system is 100% full proof. However, I think the smart thing, and the right thing, for the Liberal government to do, is to step back, look at our current screening system for refugees just to make sure there are the highest possible security standards are applied for each and every screening of a person. If it means a temporary suspension of refugee admission into our country in order for this kind of work to be done, then so be it.

[Tapioca]

Define safe.

There are 70,000 murders per year. Is that safe?

Is the Brazilian government systematically prosecuting its own people? This is what the Syrian government has done in order to consolidate power. The Syrian government has also been powerless in stopping the persecution of its citizens outside of the areas under its control.

Death as a result of criminal activity is one thing, but persecution from your own government is another. A government is in the business of providing security to its own citizens. If a government cannot do this, then a person is free to seek security elsewhere. This is what the international community has recognized since WWII.

[Hondaracer]

I don't think anyone is against bringing in refugees from war torn places. What I have a problem with is the timeline Justin wants to do it in

[pastarocket]

I don't think anyone is against bringing in refugees from war torn places. What I have a problem with is the timeline Justin wants to do it in


Agree. What's with this date driven policy of bringing in 25000 refugees before the end of the year? Proper and adequate screening cannot be done if things get pushed through before the end of the year.

[Manic!]

Define safe.

There are 70,000 murders per year. Is that safe?

The fact that I can stay at a 5 star resort, relax on the beach drinking a cold beer and check or new posts on RS makes it a lot safer than Syria.

[nma]

I don't think anyone is against bringing in refugees from war torn places. What I have a problem with is the timeline Justin wants to do it in

uhh, no man.. a lot of people are against it.. lol

Screening won't do shit in a situation like this.. I don't even think Canada has any sort of data sharing agreements with Syria...

I mean I'm pretty sure these guys wont just board a ship, land in Canada, and just go do whatever they fuck they want.. There will be some sort of procedure... Hopefully...
Hard to judge until we get more information on what exactly is going to happen.

[westopher]

I don't think anyone is against bringing in refugees from war torn places. What I have a problem with is the timeline Justin wants to do it in
I can appreciate that view for sure, but I promise lots of people are against bringing in refugees from war torn places as soon as the M word (muslim) is used. I'd rather bring in the refugees and do it properly over a longer period of time if thats what it takes, but you have to admit a lot of the way people in here or various other forms of social media have been speaking about it, it is clear people think none should be allowed in under any circumstances, and their views and rants contain absolutely insane amounts of racism and anti muslim sentiments.
As usual, people are on both extremes, and the answer lies somewhere within the middle.
I still believe we need to thoroughly do our best to bring in as many refugees as reasonably possible, in an accelerated as possible time. These people's lives that are affected by this conflict are just as important as ours.

[CRS]

I'm just going to leave this here.

If you have a 5 mins or so to spare, I would recommend watching it.

https://www.facebook.com/WhiteHouse/videos/10153902038319238/

[Soundy]

So of course, talk radio is full of this and related topics today... the point was made earlier, with whatever subject matter expert they had on at the time, that these 25,000 refugees... are ones that have already been "in the pipeline" to come to Canada for months, even years... most of whom have been languishing in refugee camps all that time, most already vetted by the UN *and* gone through Canadian immigration checks are well, and have just been waiting for the wheels of bureaucracy to slowly turn.

In other words, these are not people who are just being plucked out of a Syrian war zone and then dropped off at the YYZ international terminal.

And again I'll say, the only people I've heard say anything about just shipping them all in willy-nilly without the proper process, have been people afraid that that's what is happening. Trudeau stated yesterday that that was not the case, and I believe Obama made the same statement today.

[Amuse]

I don't think anyone is against bringing in refugees from war torn places. What I have a problem with is the timeline Justin wants to do it in
Well, it's something to get off his checklist.

[pastarocket]

This guy, Al Ghareeb the Algerian, threatens an attack against Washington, D.C. He is part of ISIS.
:heckno: Other European countries are also threatened with attacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5t1wWwljEY

[Amuse]

Even Syrian refugees say it is not easy to identify the fakes among them (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/even-syrian-refugees-agree-it-is-not-easy-to-identify-the-fakes)

[Soundy]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12227588_1084156124952201_170434548194166323_n.jpg ?oh=4e0a70b14701943b35b36cd505bc4bd1&oe=56B3C8BC

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12208481_10153092415616879_3484288361748309030_n.j pg?oh=a86994c12590ee9f9f73c3c888fbf43c&oe=56AFC132

[Soundy]

Can we just call a spade a spade and say yes, we actually don't give a fuck about the killings In these other countries which happen on a "daily" basis compared to a western "safe" nation like France?

Honestly, in places like Lebanon, in the last 20 years there have been more years of terror and violence than not. Places where home grown terror runs rampant and outside forces come and go, truly, I don't care.

There's some truth to this. I remember stories about violence in Beirut being common in the news when I was young. I didn't pay much attention to them then, but I do remember it was big news whenever it happened. But after 30+ years of it, you're right, people get desensitized. "Ho-hum, another bombing in Lebanon... ho-hum, it's going to rain for the next two months in Vancouver. SOP, next story please." Yes, it's a terrible thing, but it's not NEWS the same way that a coordinated attack in a major Western city is.

Hell, to this day, a buddy who's just a few years younger than me, and lives in Surrey (96th and 125th area), says the same thing every year during Diwali - "my neighborhood sounds like Beirut".

That said... this article makes a good point: https://medium.com/@TooManyEmmas/the-media-did-cover-attacks-on-insert-country-here-you-just-weren-t-reading-it-1543447db983

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

what if religion didn't exist?

lol that's like saying what if dog's didnt sniff each others asses.

they wouldnt be dogs.

if religion didn't exist, then humans wouldn't exist. you guys are describing a fundamental human trait.

religion is the scape goat here. if religion didn't exist, it would be called something else. nationalism. idealism. whatever you want.

if religion didn't exist, the same shit would happen.

the only way this shit doesn't happen, is if humans didnt exist.

it is our nature.

well maybe if we all had our own planet and unlimited resources and non aggressive genetic tendencies... we'd be gods :troll:

after a dark ages, comes a renaissance. hopefully this dark ages for the middle east passes faster than the dark ages for the west.

as for now, just gimmie my mcdix and netflix. when me and my common folk get that privilege taken away, then we'll really do something about this problem lol. as for now, i'm gonna click like, and onto the next cat video.

[7seven]

Reports coming in another attack attempted in Germany. Some reporting ambulance full of explosives, others saying just a suitcase of explosives. No confirmation officially yet

Report: German stadium evacuated after ambulance filled with explosives found | Q13 FOX News (http://q13fox.com/2015/11/17/report-german-stadium-evacuated-after-ambulance-filled-with-explosives-found/)

HANNOVER, Germany — A German newspaper is reporting that a soccer match in Hannover was canceled because an ambulance full of explosives was found out front following a bomb threat.

There was no immediate confirmation of that report, though the Hannover chief of police was quoted by multiple sources as saying “there was a device intended to be detonated inside the stadium.”

An announcement by police informed spectators about an hour and a half before kickoff on Tuesday that the stadium would be evacuated.

DW Sports reported that the TUI-Arena, which was to host a pop concert, had also been evacuated.

Members of the German government including Chancellor Angela Merkel had been scheduled to attend the match to send a signal that Germany wouldn’t bow to terrorism in the wake of the Paris attacks.

Announcements at the stadium in northern Germany advised people to go home in a calm manner, and that there was no danger to fear. Most fans were still waiting outside when the order to evacuate came about an hour and a half before kickoff.

There were no signs of panic, with most fans seemingly accepting the decision with resignation. Police became more forceful with members of the media who attempted to stay beside the stadium.

Security was very tight before the game, with police armed with machine guns surrounding the stadium and maintaining a very obvious presence in the city. Reporters arriving for the game were searched, while a sniffer dog was deployed to check their bags.

[Hondaracer]

That's all good and fine, but man, why aren't you talking about the starving kids in Africa?

[StylinRed]

interesting article (republicans are scary)

Paris attacks: Why is 1939 invoked in Syrian refugee debate? - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34849891)

The recent controversy over resettling Syrian refugees on US soil has some critics drawing comparisons to the plight of Jews fleeing the Nazi Holocaust during World War 2.


Following last week's Paris attacks, numerous Republican presidential candidates have called on the Obama administration to suspend plans to issue visas to 10,000 of the millions of Syrian refugees who have fled the growing conflict in their home country.

In addition several dozen governors have said they will take whatever steps possible to block Syrian refugees from entering their states. Senator David Vitter, running for governor of Louisiana, released a television advert alleging that his Democratic opponent will allow Islamic militants to threaten their citizens.

Presidential candidates such former Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Texas Senator Ted Cruz have said the US should give preference to Christian refugees and help Muslims fleeing Syria to relocate to other Muslim nations.

Such religious tests, writes Janell Ross of the Washington Post, are obscene in "a country where early settlers arrived seeking riches and freedom to practise their faith".
She is one of many who have raised a Jewish Holocaust analogy.

"Just before and during World War 2, the decision to cast group suspicion on European Jews and deny most entry on the grounds that with relatives and ties to Europe they might be spies or vulnerable to forced spying helped cost innumerable lives during the Holocaust," she writes.

Several writers specifically mentioned the story of the St Louis, a cruise ship carrying more than 900 Jewish refugees from Germany that was denied entry into Cuba and then the US.

The ship was forced to return to Western Europe, where a quarter the refugees eventually died in the Holocaust.

David Bier of the Niskanen Center writes that in 1940 US State Department "essentially endorsed the decision to turn back the St Louis", as it recommended Caribbean nations continue to refuse entry for Jewish refugees for fears that "spies had infiltrated the refugee stream".

"The refugee has got to be checked because, unfortunately, among the refugees there are some spies, as has been found in other countries," President Franklin Roosevelt said at the time.

Others critics have drawn parallels between today's rhetoric and public sentiments expressed in the late 1930s.

They cite a 1938 Fortune magazine poll asking Americans whether European political refugees should be allowed to enter the US. Nearly 70% said "with conditions as they are, we should try to keep them out". Only 5% said the US should raise immigration quotas to allow more entries.

The following year, 61% of the US public said the government should not admit "10,000 refugee children from Germany - most of them Jewish".

Contrast that with comments by New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who is also seeking the Republican presidential nomination, who said on Monday that the US should deny entry to all Syrian refugees - including orphans under the age of five until they can receive "appropriate vetting".

"Most Western countries regarded the plight of Jewish refugees with scepticism or unveiled bigotry (and sympathy only followed wider knowledge of the monstrous slaughters of the Holocaust)," the Washington Post's Ishaan Tharoor writes. "It's worth remembering this mood when thinking about the current moment, where the United States is once more in the throes of a debate over letting in refugees."

Vox's Max Fisher is more direct in his criticism of the rhetoric now dominating the Republican presidential campaign.

"American politicians are acting to punish innocent men, women and children because they fear people who are different," he tweets. "It's as if history never happened, as if we have no precedent or past we might learn from."

Ed Striker, editor of the conservative website NewsMachete, calls such historical analogies offensive.

"Jews who came to America were not themselves violent," he writes in the American Thinker. "They did not strap bombs on themselves and blow themselves up in theatres; they did not go into restaurants and execute diners, one by one; and they did not attempt to set up a caliphate wherever they moved to, although they did tend to dominate the deli, bagel-making and stand-up comedy fields."

He says Muslim refugees support sharia law and are intolerant of other religions, and a "large subset" want to kill people of other religions.

The Wall Street Journal's editors write that while the recent push to close the US border to Syrian refugees is regrettable, it's the result of Mr Obama's failure to take what they see as common-sense steps to safeguard the US against the threat of Islamic militants.

"Metadata collection or surveillance of mosques or Muslim students doesn't compare to what a frightened American public might support if a Paris-like event occurred on Rush Street in Chicago or the Mall of America in Minneapolis," they write. "The internment camps for Japanese-Americans in World War 2 were a shameful period in US history, but FDR, a progressive hero, allowed the camps under political pressure after Pearl Harbor."

World War 2 analogies are by no means restricted to the left, however.

On Sunday Republican presidential hopeful Marco Rubio criticised Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton for failing to say the US is "at war with radical Islam.

"I don't understand it," the Florida senator said during an ABC interview. "That would be like saying we weren't at war with the Nazis, because we were afraid to offend some Germans who may have been members of the Nazi Party, but weren't violent themselves."

Jonathan Chait of New York Magazine says that such a metaphor implies that "the Muslim faith as a whole is equivalent to Nazism, and violent jihadi terrorists are the equivalent of the Nazi leadership."

Immigration was already a superheated topic among presidential candidates before Friday's Paris attacks.

Now, however, the debate has become laced with issues of national security and morality - and allusions to a dark chapter in 20th Century history.

[StylinRed]

Police raids in France, resulted in police injuries and supposedly a female suspect that blew herself up

Paris attacks: Latest updates - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34840858)

switch on your fav news station

[GS8]

I'm not sure what's scarier:

The fact that so many Christian Americans don't want to take in Syrian refugees (which, ironically, would be an extremely Christian thing to do)

OR

At some point, we're going to stop talking about France and ISIS and move on to the latest school shooting, another reason Trudeau sucks or some celebrity gossip bullshit (I see Charlie Sheen has already made the rounds).

Soon enough, the water cooler conversations, the Social media nutjob tirades and intellectual discussions on forums will fizzle out. We'll still scream that ISIS should all die but very little groundwork will be made.

I still wanna know why no one has done anything about the bombing of the Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Afghanistan.

[StylinRed]

I still wanna know why no one has done anything about the bombing of the Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Afghanistan.

nothing will be done, why? because of who bombed it. it's not the first time, and i doubt the last time, that the US bombs such a target

back to your point, look how quickly people forgot about the bombed Russian passenger jet. heck no one even made a thread about it on RS, when people loved posting about every missing jet

people like to pick and choose what they care about, and it will only last so long before they move on, because it's a form of entertainment to them

[Soundy]

look how quickly people forgot about the bombed Russian passenger jet. heck no one even made a thread about it on RS, when people loved posting about every missing jet
Fuckin commies had it comin'.

:troll:

[Hondaracer]

It's harder to have a knee jerk reaction to events like the plane bombing because you don't know exactly what happened for days to weeks

It's easier for your typical Facebook hero to post up an opinion when there is more concrete information as opposed to thinking a Russian plane crashed on its own, which they are prone to do. Although it was an Airbus but I doubt too many went that deep into it

Again though, why am I worried about this doctors without borders bombing? People are dieing non stop there..stick your hand in the beehive and get stung.

As un-PC at it is, different lives DO matter/are valued more than others. And yea, I do care moreso about a seemingly innocent Parisian going to a concert and taking a bullet than I do some family living in a mud but that gets blown up.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

equality is a lie. everyone with half a brain knows that.

[SkinnyPupp]

ABC News

The ISIS ‘Refugee’ Journey to Terror in Paris - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/isis-refugee-journey-terror-paris/story?id=35220868)



CNN has it too



Paris suspects: What we know - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/paris-attacks-suspects-profiles/index.html)
The passport belonging to that guy was a Syrian refugee from Greece, not the guy himself. He has yet to be identified.

Aside from him, they have all been identified as EU citizens with valid passports. No refugees or people pretending to be refugees. Some were previously known to be threats.

Paris attacks: Eight terror suspects named so far are not refugees and have EU passports | Europe | News | The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-the-eight-terror-suspects-named-so-far-all-have-eu-passports-a6738821.html)

A passport found near the remains of a suicide bomber at the Stade de France purporting to belong to a Syrian refugee named Ahmed Almuhamed, 25, gave rise to 'scare' headlines...

According to the Greek government, the passport was used by someone who landed in the Greek islands in early October, before being used again to cross the southern border into Serbia. The French prosecutor's office said the fingerprints of the dead man matched a print of a person registered under the same name in Greece in October 2015.

But there were claims that the document was stolen or a fake, made in Turkey, and French investigators said it may even have been 'planted' at the scene of the bombings at the Stade de France as part of a sophisticated propaganda plan by Isis to infiltrate and exploit the refugee crisis.

This is why I wait for better information, a lot of misinformation gets put out into the echo chamber and it spreads from there.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

why wait for real info... why even care about misinformation...

it's not like you knowing the truth changes the fact of anything.

not like you're the director of the FBI or whatever french version.

what does it even matter what we know? lol. our opinion doesn't sway the result. and at the end, how do u even know it's the TRUTH? there must be so many other factors that we totally don't know about. at the end all we hear is some news report.

i guess this is just a topic for gossip.

[Soundy]

It's easier for your typical Facebook hero to post up an opinion when there is more concrete information as opposed to thinking a Russian plane crashed on its own, which they are prone to do.
Planes do NOT simply break up in mid-air all by themselves. I think the last time anything like that happened was in 1988 when a chunk of the roof of Aloha Airlines 243 came off, and they still managed to land safely. Even Russia has better maintenance than that.

why wait for real info... why even care about misinformation...

it's not like you knowing the truth changes the fact of anything.

not like you're the director of the FBI or whatever french version.

what does it even matter what we know? lol. our opinion doesn't sway the result. and at the end, how do u even know it's the TRUTH? there must be so many other factors that we totally don't know about. at the end all we hear is some news report.

i guess this is just a topic for gossip.

It matters because it leads to shit like this:

Mosque fire deemed a hate crime as community rallies to rebuild - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/after-mosque-fire-in-peterborough-ont-community-rallies-torebuild/article27272714/)

Muslim woman attacked in Toronto, told to ?go back to your country?: police | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/2343508/muslim-woman-attacked-while-picking-up-children-from-toronto-school-police/)

Marseille Muslim woman slashed as hate crimes rise after Paris attacks | World | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/620550/Migrant-crisis-terrorism-EU)

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12227055_10207217176282127_3352719205505285805_n.j pg?oh=c9e6bf7b34f05ae5ee3d70e686362046&oe=56EF8D23

[Soundy]

Concerned about Syrian refugees entering Canada? You should read this. - HeadSpaceHeadSpace (http://headspacepress.com/concerned-about-syrian-refugees-entering-canada-you-should-read-this/)

[Sid Vicious]

posting someone's blog post to prove a point...?

Brb linking to my tumblr

[JD¹³]

My 'hope' came true.

Paris attacks: 'Ringleader' Abdelhamid Abaaoud killed in raid - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34867615)

"His body was found riddled with bullets and shrapnel in the apartment." :awwyeah:

[Soundy]

Fine, how about an opinion piece by an actual immigration lawyer who KNOWS WHAT THE PROCESS IS?

Why Canada Can Safely Meet Its Refugee Commitments | The Tyee (http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/11/18/Canada-Can-Meet-Syrian-Refugee-Commitments/)

Or listen to her on the Simi Sara show this morning:

https://soundcloud.com/cknw/why-canada-can-safely-meet-its-refugee-commitments-the-simi-sara-show-thur-nov-19

Point form:

The refugees coming to Canada left Syria and applied for refugee status months or even years ago; if they're terrorists, they've spent a helluva long time cooling their heels in camps waiting for the chance to attack a maple syrup farm.
UN screeners train specifically in vetting war-zone refugees to weed out potential troublemakers.
The pool of refugees that the UN pre-approves for resettlement amounts to about 2% of all applicants.
Preference is given to "vulnerable" applicants: children, seniors, single mothers, etc.
Those to be sent to Canada then undergo separate screenings by CSIS, Immigration, and CBSA.


In other words, like I said before, they're not just plucking random people out of the war zone and dropping them in Canada. They've ALREADY BEEN going through the process, long before this whole thing hit the fan.

And if you think a whole 25,000 people going through all that to get here, are still a threat, consider that:

Canada allows in 250,000 temporary foreign workers per year
Canada allows in 250,000 regular immigrants per year
Hundreds of thousands of just regular visitors come and go every year

All of these can get in with FAR less screening. Remember that the Paris attackers were all EU citizens, mostly French and Belgian, both countries with good ties with Canada, and visitors from those countries don't even need a visa to come here - nothing more than a passport is required.

[JHatta]

Record numbers of people are applying to join the French army up in the wake of the Paris attacks, Le Monde reports.
The number of applications has risen to 1,500 per day, up from 500 per day before the attacks.
President Hollande had already decided to halt cuts in army personnel following January's attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and a Jewish supermarket and the army will have recruited 15,000 people in 2015, up from 10,000 the previous year, and is set to recruit 16,000 people next year.
Paris attacks: Latest updates - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34840858)

French people joining in masses trying to get into the army after an attack.

After the bombing in Raqqa, I wonder if the same thing is happening over there...

[CharlesInCharge]

Let me enlighten many of the rat racers in this forum that Canada is ISIS, we helped create it and that is our national foreign policy.
To repeat, we as a country created terrorist to rape and murder their way to topple Assad which would obviously soften up an coup d'etat for the ZioAmerican empire.

Some wont believe this but the news has made Canadian national news outlets....
http://www.revscene.net/forums/705594-canadian-tax-dollars-going-down-drain-russia-pounds-isis.html
The Canadian government was caught red handed but publicly they have responded to such events as "national security" and have not acknowledged creating ISIS.

This is like accusing Tom Cruise of child pedophilia, and for him not to deny it... but say... no comment or that is a personal matter.

So with that established... I guess Canadians in this forum wouldnt mind paying atleast 10% of their paychecks for, 10-50 years, to compensate the country of Syria for importing terrorist into their country? Discuss.

[GLOW]

Let me enlighten many of the rat racers in this forum that Canada is ISIS, we helped create it and that is our national foreign policy.


so there will be zero attacks from them in canada because we helped create them?

[CharlesInCharge]

Lower level members of ISIS who go "rogue", if you will, are the by products of the risk the empire takes in creating these groups. (Thats not to say this has actually happened as false flags have been the norm when it comes to terror attacks in the west.
Even the BBC confirms that the last Paris shooting with the police man shot in the head was faked. [Can track down the video clip on demand])
The NWO kills a million people in North America alone through long-term toxic products that it allows on the market... so a few hundred people here and there of a legitimate terrorist attack is a small price to pay for these overlord psychopaths.
Never forget 911.

[Sid Vicious]

so apparently the plan to bring in these refugees will be $1.2 billion over the next six years. whata waste of money
Federal government estimates cost to bring in Syrian refugees will be $1.2 billion - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/11/19/federal-government-estimates-cost-to-bring-in-syrian-refugees-will-be-1-2-billion/)

[StylinRed]

so apparently the plan to bring in these refugees will be $1.2 billion over the next six years. whata waste of money
Federal government estimates cost to bring in Syrian refugees will be $1.2 billion - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/11/19/federal-government-estimates-cost-to-bring-in-syrian-refugees-will-be-1-2-billion/)

thats the suspected cost over 6 years which includes getting them to the point where they're supporting the economy, instead of taking from it... it also includes a security budget for screening/monitoring.
The expert that same article speaks to notes that the figure is "a 'drop in the bucket"

[Tapioca]

so apparently the plan to bring in these refugees will be $1.2 billion over the next six years. whata waste of money
Federal government estimates cost to bring in Syrian refugees will be $1.2 billion - NEWS 1130 (http://www.news1130.com/2015/11/19/federal-government-estimates-cost-to-bring-in-syrian-refugees-will-be-1-2-billion/)

My in-laws were refugees from the Middle East. Their 3 children grew up to be a doctor, engineer, and marketing manager. All 3 are intelligent, good looking, and well-liked people.

They'll probably do more in life and for this country than you ever will.

[quasi]

thats the suspected cost over 6 years which includes getting them to the point where they're supporting the economy, instead of taking from it... it also includes a security budget for screening/monitoring.
The expert that same article speaks to notes that the figure is "a 'drop in the bucket"

Lets just hope the people who did this budget aren't the same people who did the budget for the F-35. :)

[Sid Vicious]

thats the suspected cost over 6 years which includes getting them to the point where they're supporting the economy, instead of taking from it... it also includes a security budget for screening/monitoring.
The expert that same article speaks to notes that the figure is "a 'drop in the bucket"

My in-laws were refugees from the Middle East. Their 3 children grew up to be a doctor, engineer, and marketing manager. All 3 are intelligent, good looking, and well-liked people.

They'll probably do more in life and for this country than you ever will.
http://www.opticstalk.com/uploads/3940/Anecdote.jpg

the govt's job is to enact the will of the people, and the people have spoken

http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/RefugeeResettlement2.jpg
http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/RefugeeResettlement1.jpg
http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/RefugeeResettlement3_1.jpg

Here's a study done by the Centre for Immigration Studies
http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Resettling-Middle-Eastern-Refugees

As Americans continue to debate what to do about the humanitarian crisis in the Middle East, this analysis attempts to estimate the costs of resettling refugees from that region in the United States. Although we do not consider all costs, our best estimate is that in their first five years in the United States each refugee from the Middle East costs taxpayers $64,370 — 12 times what the UN estimates it costs to care for one refugee in neighboring Middle Eastern countries. The cost of resettlement includes heavy welfare use by Middle Eastern refugees; 91 percent receive food stamps and 68 percent receive cash assistance. Costs also include processing refugees, assistance given to new refugees, and aid to refugee-receiving communities. Given the high costs of resettling refugees in the United States, providing for them in neighboring countries in the Middle East may be a more cost-effective way to help them.

Among the findings of this analysis:

On average, each Middle Eastern refugee resettled in the United States costs an estimated $64,370 in the first five years, or $257,481 per household.

The UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) has requested $1,057 to care for each Syrian refugee annually in most countries neighboring Syria.

For what it costs to resettle one Middle Eastern refugee in the United States for five years, about 12 refugees can be helped in the Middle East for five years, or 61 refugees can be helped for one year.

UNHCR reports a gap of $2.5 billion in funding that it needs to care for approximately four million Syrians in neighboring countries.

The five-year cost of resettling about 39,000 Syrian refugees in the United States is enough to erase the current UNHCR funding gap.

The five-year costs of resettlement in the United States include $9,230 spent by the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) within HHS and the Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration (PRM) within the State Department in the first year, as well as $55,139 in expenditures on welfare and education.

Very heavy use of welfare programs by Middle Eastern refugees, and the fact that they have only 10.5 years of education on average, makes it likely that it will be many years, if ever, before this population will cease to be a net fiscal drain on public coffers — using more in public services than they pay in taxes.

It is worth adding that ORR often reports that most refugees are self-sufficient within five years. However, ORR defines "self-sufficiency" as not receiving cash welfare. A household is still considered "self-sufficient" even if it is using any number of non-cash programs such as food stamps, public housing, or Medicaid.

Refugees are admitted for humanitarian reasons, not because they are supposed to be self-sufficient, so the drain on public coffers that Middle Eastern refugees create is expected. However, given limited resources, the high cost of resettlement in the United States means careful consideration should be given to alternatives to resettlement if the goal is the help as many people possible.

of course what use are facts and statistics when one can just throw out accusations of racism and bigotry?

[Jayboogz]

http://hw-mobile.worldstarhiphop.com/u/vid/2015/11/GnZ4FyXsajB7_mobile.mp4?ri=512000&rs=850

Video of how Isis originated

[Lomac]

Because the majority is always correct, yes?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT-A_GcWEAAZnao.jpg:large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT9OHVGXAAA-u72.jpg:large

[Soundy]

The NWO kills a million people...

Naggers With... Optimism?

[Sid Vicious]

Because the majority is always correct, yes?


and...?

1938 was almost 80 years ago, people didn't want jewish refugees because people back then were racist as fuck.

people don't want syrian refugees here for very legit reasons, none of which is that they're syrian. they could be martian or venusian it wouldn't matter.

accusing anyone who doesn't support mass syrian refugee emigration of racism is simply :moderated:

[Hondaracer]

Well, at least giving the Jews Israel worked out for everyone in the end

[Tapioca]

people don't want syrian refugees here for very legit reasons, none of which is that they're syrian. they could be martian or venusian it wouldn't matter.

accusing anyone who doesn't support mass syrian refugee emigration of racism is simply :moderated:

I believe you stated in an earlier post your views about Islam. The majority of these refugees are Muslim (though of varying levels of devoutness).

Most of the stuff I'm seeing online - whether it's here, on social media, or news website - has little to do with the cost that these refugees pose. The opposition is mostly due to fear - fear of Muslims and fear of Arabs in general. If these people were white and Christian, no one would care.

If you're employed and raising a family, chances are you're not going to spend your spare time thinking about how to commit terrorist acts. The more of a stake you have in society, the less you will think about trying to destroy it. The terrorists in Paris were naturalized Europeans, but because of the racism and exclusion over there, they were susceptible to radicalisation. The problem is not religion or where these people come from - the problem is a failure of integration.

[Sid Vicious]

I believe you stated in an earlier post your views about Islam. The majority of these refugees are Muslim (though of varying levels of devoutness).

Most of the stuff I'm seeing online - whether it's here, on social media, or news website - has little to do with the cost that these refugees pose. The opposition is mostly due to fear - fear of Muslims and fear of Arabs in general. If these people were white and Christian, no one would care.

If you're employed and raising a family, chances are you're not going to spend your spare time thinking about how to commit terrorist acts. The more of a stake you have in society, the less you will think about trying to destroy it. The terrorists in Paris were naturalized Europeans, but because of the racism and exclusion over there, they were susceptible to radicalisation. The problem is not religion or where these people come from - the problem is a failure of integration.

i feel the same about islam as any other religion.

and that's one of the main arguments against the refugees. you can see that across europe alot of these immigrants are refusing to integrate into society.

[Acura604]

somewhat indiscriminate I'd think with the current Russian 'carpet bombing' of Syria.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/80875.jpg

[Manic!]

i feel the same about islam as any other religion.

and that's one of the main arguments against the refugees. you can see that across europe alot of these immigrants are refusing to integrate into society.

http://i.cbc.ca/1.3304912.1446689742!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/harjit-sajjan.jpg

That's are new defense minister. In France he would not been allowed to go to public school, become a police officer, join the military and become a big asset to the Canadian and American military and become the minister of deference because of his Turban.

In Canada refugee's and immigrants thrive. 1.3% of people in Canada speak Punjabi but 6% of the people in parliament speak Punjabi making it the 3rd largest language on the hill.

Punjabi now third language in the House | hilltimes.com (http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2015/11/02/punjabi-now-third-language-in-the-house/44002)

Check out the Lalji family from Ugandan refugees in the 70's to one of the richest family's in Canada worth billions and who employ thousands of people.

From Ugandan refugees to Ottawa's new landlord - The Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/from-ugandan-refugees-to-ottawas-new-landlord/article1080830/)

Refuges and immigrants have given back way more than they have taken.

[Hondaracer]

Thing is, we aren't talking about Punjabi Hindus or Sikhs, they will all be predominantly Muslim. Who, as far as I can tell are about the least tolerant of outside religions/cultures as anyone. (Insert Deep South Christian comments here)

Also to play devils advocate again, everyone is pointing to the terrorists as being French/Belgium nationals. Yea, however they are all first generation nationals. Every single one of them I've read about has parents who came from the same regions in question.

[Manic!]

Thing is, we aren't talking about Punjabi Hindus or Sikhs, they will all be predominantly Muslim. Who, as far as I can tell are about the least tolerant of outside religions/cultures as anyone. (Insert Deep South Christian comments here)

Also to play devils advocate again, everyone is pointing to the terrorists as being French/Belgium nationals. Yea, however they are all first generation nationals. Every single one of them I've read about has parents who came from the same regions in question.

The Lalji family are Muslim.

[Hondaracer]

Yea, was speaking moreso in regards to public figures as in the defense minister

Lots of shady people have migrated to Canada and become ridiculously wealthy

[iEatClams]

http://www.opticstalk.com/uploads/3940/Anecdote.jpg

the govt's job is to enact the will of the people, and the people have spoken

http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/RefugeeResettlement2.jpg
http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/RefugeeResettlement1.jpg
http://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/RefugeeResettlement3_1.jpg

Here's a study done by the Centre for Immigration Studies
The High Cost of Resettling Middle Eastern Refugees | Center for Immigration Studies (http://cis.org/High-Cost-of-Resettling-Middle-Eastern-Refugees)


of course what use are facts and statistics when one can just throw out accusations of racism and bigotry?

it's true. You can't point out any of the destruction Islam causes without being called Islamophobic.




This was taken from one of the top comments on reddit today:


Pew Research (2013):
Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda.
Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban.
13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
Muslim Publics Share Concerns about Extremist Groups | Pew Research Center (http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/muslim-publics-share-concerns-about-extremist-groups/)
Wenzel Strategies (2012):
58% of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment.
45% believe mockers of Islam should face criminal charges (38% said they should not).
12% of Muslim-Americans believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death.
43% of Muslim-Americans believe people of other faiths have no right to evangelize Muslims.
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land. Sixty Percent of US Muslims Reject Freedom of Expression | Dr. Andrew Bostom (http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/10/31/sixty-percent-of-us-muslims-reject-freedom-of-expression)
ICM Poll:
40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html)
Pew Research (2010):
82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah | Pew Research Center (http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-around-the-world-divided-on-hamas-and-hezbollah/)
Pew Global (2006)
68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
Zogby Poll: Most Americans Want Strengths and Weaknesses of Darwinism Taught In Schools (http://cnsnews.com/node/53865)
World Public Opinion (2009):
61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
NOP Research:
62% percent of British Muslims say freedom of speech shouldn't be protected
1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons
Many British Muslims Put Islam First - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06)
People Press Surveys:
31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
A Year After Iraq War | Pew Research Center (http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/)
Belgian HLN:
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
Zestien procent moslimjongens vindt terrorisme aanvaardbaar - HLN.be (http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/article/detail/1619036/2013/04/22/Zestien-procent-moslimjongens-vindt-terrorisme-aanvaardbaar.dhtml)
ICM Poll:
25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
Pew Research (2007):
26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified (13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified (25% overall).
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Al-Jazeera (2006):
49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
Osama bin Laden - WikiIslam (http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden)
Populus Poll (2006):
16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
More Survey Research from a British Islamist Hell :: Daniel Pipes (http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/07/more-survey-research-from-a-british-islamist)
GfK NOP:
28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
NOP Research:
68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
Many British Muslims Put Islam First - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06)
MacDonald Laurier Institute:
62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
Strong support for Shariah in Canada | Canada | News | Toronto Sun (http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada)
Much good news and some worrying results in new study of Muslim public opinion in Canada | Macdonald-Laurier Institute (http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/)
al-Arabiya:
36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed;
26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html
Gallup:
38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
Just Like Us! Really? - The Washington Institute for Near East Policy (http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/just-like-us-really)
Policy Exchange:
1 in 4 Muslims in the UK have never heard of the Holocaust;
Only 34% of British Muslims believe the Holocaust ever happened.
http://www.imaginate.uk.com/MCC01_SURVEY/Site%20Download.pdf
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf



Again, I'm in support of Canada taking in refugees, but there's too many people that are too extreme on one side of the argument (no, we should not take in any refugees, Yes, take them all in) and won't be open to discuss facts

[Soundy]

the govt's job is to enact the will of the people, and the people have spoken
Yes they have.

Harper made a big deal out of the niqab thing in the election. Trudeau made the expedited admittance of the 25,000 one of his election promises.

Trudeau took a solid majority, and Harper slunk away with his tail between his legs.

Election results > opinion polls. Governments don't operate on opinion polls.

[Manic!]

Yea, was speaking moreso in regards to public figures as in the defense minister

Lots of shady people have migrated to Canada and become ridiculously wealthy

Lots of shady Canadians have become ridiculously wealthy too. So whats your your point?

[Manic!]

the govt's job is to enact the will of the people, and the people have spoken



Only on the Simpsons.

http://behindthenumbers.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Think-of-the-children.jpg
http://newsgrift.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/simpsons-bear-patrol-plane.jpg
http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/lists/newspaper/news_102.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TsrCcDp.png

Real governments don't work like that or we would have no taxes and the government would go broke.

[Soundy]

it's true. You can't point out any of the destruction Islam causes without being called Islamophobic.

How about just pointing out the destruction RADICALISM causes, rather than blaming it on a specific belief system?

[RRxtar]

Yes they have.

Harper made a big deal out of the niqab thing in the election. Trudeau made the expedited admittance of the 25,000 one of his election promises.

Trudeau took a solid majority, and Harper slunk away with his tail between his legs.

Election results > opinion polls. Governments don't operate on opinion polls.
while the liberals may have won the election, they only had 39% of canada's support.

thats the funny thing about politics. they may be the party that was voted in, but almost 2/3rds of the country don't support them.



and before someone says thats just butt hurt talking,the liberals said the same thing in 2011. i cant find the quote but to paraphrase it was something like "more people voted against harper than voted for him, therefore he shouldnt lead the country"

[Sid Vicious]

How about just pointing out the destruction RADICALISM causes, rather than blaming it on a specific belief system?

it's not radicalism when you're just adhering to the tenets that are set forth in the text

http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_penalty_pew.jpg
http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_sharia_pew.jpg

http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_penalty_totals.jpg

[Soundy]

while the liberals may have won the election, they only had 39% of canada's support.

thats the funny thing about politics. they may be the party that was voted in, but almost 2/3rds of the country don't support them.



and before someone says thats just butt hurt talking,the liberals said the same thing in 2011. i cant find the quote but to paraphrase it was something like "more people voted against harper than voted for him, therefore he shouldnt lead the country"

People who couldn't get their asses of the couch to go vote don't count.

And considering how much was the anti-Harper protest vote this time around, the numbers could be even more skewed... EITHER direction. Just because someone didn't vote FOR the Liberals, doesn't mean they were voting against them, and similarly, a vote for may have been made while holding one's nose.

Regardless, this is the way our electoral system works, and like it not, Trudeau was given a resounding majority. Any time a minority government tries to push something unpopular through, the cry of "they don't have a mandate" rings out... well, under our system, this represents a mandate, and that included bringing in 25,000 refugees by year end.

As you say, the anti-Harper brigade trotted out all the same arguments every time he won, but at the end of the day, that was irrelevant as well, because THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.

BTW, remember the Libs also campaigned on changing the FPTP electoral system, which they have a good chance of pulling off... I wonder if all those decrying their majority win with these arguments will be as upset when they actually do change us to a representational system?

The system is only bad when it works for something you don't like...

[SkinnyPupp]

it's not radicalism when you're just adhering to the tenets that are set forth in the text

http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_penalty_pew.jpg
http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_sharia_pew.jpg

http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_penalty_totals.jpg
Those numbers are fucking horrifying :heckno:

Never mind the crazy terrorist maniacs, 90% of Egyptian muslims think you should be killed if you want to leave the religion... fuuuuuuuck that

[CharlesInCharge]

it's not radicalism when you're just adhering to the tenets that are set forth in the text
Those numbers are fucking horrifying :heckno:

Never mind the crazy terrorist maniacs, 90% of Egyptian muslims think you should be killed if you want to leave the religion... fuuuuuuuck that

A question for you two, do you believe the ZioAmerican Empire killed 3000 of its citizens on 911 and blamed Muslim terrorists of these acts?

[StylinRed]

it's not radicalism when you're just adhering to the tenets that are set forth in the text


These are the 5 pillars of Islam (the tenets)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Five_pillars_of_Islam.svg/2000px-Five_pillars_of_Islam.svg.png

declare your faith,
pray 5 times a day,
give to the poor,
fast for a month every year,
visit their holy site at least once in your life

oooh scary...

anything outside of that like the 'hadiths' or 'sharia' are just mans attempts at controlling the religion and it's believers, some maliciously, some in attempts to help guide those confused, some for a quick buck

unfortunately people are either ignorant or like to play ignorant and merge everything they see/hear as part of that faith

[SkinnyPupp]

These are the 5 pillars of Islam (the tenets)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Five_pillars_of_Islam.svg/2000px-Five_pillars_of_Islam.svg.png

declare your faith,
pray 5 times a day,
give to the poor,
fast for a month every year,
visit their holy site at least once in your life

oooh scary...

anything outside of that like the 'hadiths' or 'sharia' are just mans attempts at controlling the religion and it's believers, some maliciously, some in attempts to help guide those confused, some for a quick buck

unfortunately people are either ignorant or like to play ignorant and merge everything they see/hear as part of that faith
It doesn't matter where it comes from, what matters is it's there. All religion comes from man, for whatever reason. A man wrote the Quran, for whatever reason.

If 86% of the people in some areas are supporting these 'hadiths' or 'sharia', that's all that matters.

[StylinRed]

It doesn't matter where it comes from, what matters is it's there. All religion comes from man, for whatever reason. A man wrote the Quran, for whatever reason.

If 86% of the people in some areas are supporting these 'hadiths' or 'sharia', that's all that matters.

i was referring to vicious and his use of describing everything he hears as the "tenets of islam"

to argue about the hadiths and sharia is a completely separate matter, they're different in every region, so when you say 80%, 100%, 5% believe in the hadiths or sharia, it's being somewhat disingenuous because of the differences throughout

one region may believe you can get boiled alive for being a rapist in their version of sharia, but the next city/state/tribe/village over they'll believe in something else entirely

the concept of sharia is that it is law which is supposed to use the quran as guidance, much like our laws had used the bible as guidance, it's a framework, and so, as with the West, you'll find differences everywhere

[CharlesInCharge]

SkinnyPupp why are you hiding behind your fail towards me? Im trying to gauge your level of mainstream media brainwashing in my last question so that I can understand how someone like yourself can even find the PEW search group as not a ZioAmerican propaganda tool.

A forum is about an exchange of thoughts and ideas... civilized and thoughtful discussion to enlighten the group as a whole... Ive already seen StylinRed's true colours as to my signature... but I wonder why you would ignore my question which digs deep into the source of "islamic terrorism" and will probably keep spamming the forum with your skewed view of how the world works.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I now know why they rewrote the bible...

Are they ever gonna rewrite the koran. the new testament.

[hchang]

I don't know much about Islam and I don't paint everybody with the same brush but this popped up on my news feed and I'm curious.

Can somebody elaborate? Is this like a spinoff from traditional Islam? Or how does it work

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j152/texasbanks/67E5A4EC-8A49-4CC6-AC25-9129A00C8969_zpsxutlqurt.jpg (http://s79.photobucket.com/user/texasbanks/media/67E5A4EC-8A49-4CC6-AC25-9129A00C8969_zpsxutlqurt.jpg.html)

[SkinnyPupp]

Hacker collective Anonymous claims ISIS has plans for more attacks on Sunday (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/hacker-collective-anonymous-claims-isis-has-plans-for-more-attacks-on-sunday/)

[Verdasco]

Hacker collective Anonymous claims ISIS has plans for more attacks on Sunday (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/hacker-collective-anonymous-claims-isis-has-plans-for-more-attacks-on-sunday/)

so the WWE event is still a go. I would be surprised if i saw anyone there watching..... okay not really it's the USA :rukidding:

[SkinnyPupp]

The FBI is aware of reports of an alleged threat that includes an Atlanta, Georgia venue and event. While we take all threats seriously, we do not have specific or credible information of an attack at this time. We have, however, made the proper notifications as we continue to work closely with our law enforcement and private sector partners to keep our community safe."

FBI: Officials taking report about ISIS threat seriously in Atlan | www.wsbtv.com (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/fbi-taking-anonymous-isis-threat-seriously-atlanta/npSN9/)

[Manic!]

I don't know much about Islam and I don't paint everybody with the same brush but this popped up on my news feed and I'm curious.

Can somebody elaborate? Is this like a spinoff from traditional Islam? Or how does it work

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j152/texasbanks/67E5A4EC-8A49-4CC6-AC25-9129A00C8969_zpsxutlqurt.jpg (http://s79.photobucket.com/user/texasbanks/media/67E5A4EC-8A49-4CC6-AC25-9129A00C8969_zpsxutlqurt.jpg.html)

The Christan Bible:

http://markhumphrys.com/Images/340.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/13/96/34/1396342899224dc761792872e8daaab1.jpg
http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/7/23/14/enhanced-buzz-4728-1374605113-6.jpg

After the first list I posted most of RS would be dead.

[Fafine]

The Christan Bible:

After the first list I posted most of RS would be dead.

those are old testaments,
new testaments aren't as brutal

[Bouncing Bettys]

"The fact that one must ignore a great majority of their religious doctrine in order NOT to be identified as a crazed religious zealot is quite telling!"

[SkinnyPupp]

"The fact that one must ignore a great majority of their religious doctrine in order NOT to be identified as a crazed religious zealot is quite telling!"
86% of them in Egypt think you should die if you leave the religion. That is not some obscure bible quote, that is a direct answer to a poll question.

[Soundy]

those are old testaments,
new testaments aren't as brutal

Quite the opposite, in fact.

Matthew 5:
38 You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

43 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

[iwantaskyline]

86% of them in Egypt think you should die if you leave the religion. That is not some obscure bible quote, that is a direct answer to a poll question.

it's hilarious you actually believe those numbers

[Hondaracer]

This thread has jumped the shark

[van_city23]

it's not radicalism when you're just adhering to the tenets that are set forth in the text

http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_penalty_pew.jpg
http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_sharia_pew.jpg

http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_penalty_totals.jpg

it's hilarious you actually believe those numbers

Yah it actually is funny how many ppl here don't understand how surveys work and are trying to argue points based on those numbers.

[Lomac]

it's not radicalism when you're just adhering to the tenets that are set forth in the text

http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_penalty_pew.jpg
http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_sharia_pew.jpg

http://www.casteyanqui.com/heresies/_graphics/death_penalty_totals.jpg

The funny thing about statistics is that they don't always tell the whole story. Here's the actual report that those graphics came from.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

Some interesting quotes from it:
Overwhelming percentages of Muslims in many countries want Islamic law(sharia) to be the official law of the land, according to a worldwide survey by the Pew Research Center. But many supporters of sharia say it should apply only to their country’s Muslim population.

Moreover, Muslims are not equally comfortable with all aspects of sharia: While most favor using religious law in family and property disputes, fewer support the application of severe punishments –such as whippings or cutting off hands – in criminal cases. The survey also shows that Muslims differ widely in how they interpret certain aspects of sharia, including whether divorce and family planning are morally acceptable

Tunisia’s legal framework is, in key respects, the opposite of Lebanon’s: The Tunisian Constitution favors Islam over other religions, but religious courts, which once governed family law, were abolished in 1956. Perhaps reflecting this history, more than half of Tunisian Muslims (56%) want sharia to be the official law of the land, but a minority (42%) says religious courts should oversee family and property law.

Turkey’s evolution in the early 20th century included sweeping legal reforms resulting in a secular constitution and legal framework. As part of these changes, traditional sharia courts were eliminated in the 1920s. Today, only minorities of Turkish Muslims back enshrining sharia as official law (12%) or letting religious judges decide family and property disputes (14%).

It gets even more interesting when you hit up the extremism and suicide bombers section.

[SkinnyPupp]

it's hilarious you actually believe those numbers
Care to refute them?

[GS8]

Since the Paris attacks, we've seen Mosques set on fire, Muslim people attacked on the streets and we even saw a Hindu temple set on fire.

Now we segue to this...

Philly Pizza Shop Owner Calls 911 After He Says He Was Profiled on Flight Home | NBC Chicago (http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/Philly-Pizza-Shop-Owner-Profiled-Southwest-Airlines-351944441.html)

:facepalm:

It doesn't matter how many facts you throw at people. Their brains are just too greased up with their own stupidity that the truth will always remain buried among the sea of lies that carries to the next generation.

There's learning history (through a school textbook) and learning history (through multiple sources of unbiased origin). With social media being a playground for people who may as well have been interbred, bullshit = truth and truth = tinfoil hat time. It's scary to see how many people can be manipulated so easily especially in an age where information is literally at our fingertips.

I wish I was cat so I, too, had the power to manipulate stupid people.