[Mkhun]

Need a suggestion.


Yesterday night, (March 27th around 10pm)
after walking the dog out, I was returning to my apartment as another couple was coming out of the lobby with their medium build dog.

Their dog seem to be very aggressive and tried to jump on my dog.
That's when everything got messy.

Even though my dog was on a tight leash close by my side,
owners of their dog couldn't control him and I "believe" they accidentally let go of the leash.
That resulted their dog literally wide-open his mouth and biting my dog's forehead -> now my dog needs stitches and suffering pain.

Problem is, they literally just ran away with the dog on loose and I do not have any contacts as I had to take my dog immediately to the vet ER.

I'm thinking about posting an ad on our apartment bulletin, but what if they never respond to my ad?



Are there any animal control service organization that I can call and get them to search the building and find the owners
or
do I need report it to the city hall or even police?

I strongly believe that they need to put a muzzle on their dog or do something about it for the safety of other dogs in the building.

I do not want to make big announcement while living in an apartment building(ie: contacting strata etc) but i really need/want to track them down.

Please advise.

Thanks in advance.

[6o4__boi]

how big is your building?
what are the chances you'll run into them again?

personally, I would probably call the city or SPCA and ask for advice. I'm pretty sure cops don't handle these things nor would SPCA send anyone.

sounds like they should be on the hook for some vet bills at least

hope your dog is ok

[underscore]

I do not want to make big announcement while living in an apartment building(ie: contacting strata etc) but i really need/want to track them down.

Why don't you want to contact strata? They're more likely to know which units have pets, and if this dog is not well trained there have likely been complaints about it previously.

[320icar]

Get your strata involved, no brainer. Post a large note in the lobby telling the owners to come foward, or any residents to slip a note in your door. An owner with a dog is not hard to find.

[racerman88]

You should report them b/c their dog attacked yours and could possibly attack a child. Owners should have control of their dogs at all times.


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[murd0c]

all advice has been great, if you want to find them that bad I would even offer a reward for someone to tell you who's dog it is. No question contact strata since that's once thing they will be able to help with.

[Mkhun]

how big is your building?
what are the chances you'll run into them again?
personally, I would probably call the city or SPCA and ask for advice. I'm pretty sure cops don't handle these things nor would SPCA send anyone.
sounds like they should be on the hook for some vet bills at least
hope your dog is ok

It's 48 story building, each floor has about 10 units.
I did call the city hall and filed an complaint, along with my&strata contact# after talking to strata.
And yes, we do come across each other quite often. I got a very detailed description of the owners actually.
Thank you.


Why don't you want to contact strata? They're more likely to know which units have pets, and if this dog is not well trained there have likely been complaints about it previously.

Thank you.
I was bit hesitant contacting strata because when it come to pets, they behave very, very sensitive even though it's pet friendly building.
Regardless, I took everyone's advice here and did contact the strata.


Get your strata involved, no brainer. Post a large note in the lobby telling the owners to come foward, or any residents to slip a note in your door. An owner with a dog is not hard to find.

I drafted a simple and detailed ad to post at the board with pictures.
I did contact the strata and they'll do their job on behalf from now on hopefully.
As mentioned above, they become very sensitive when it comes to 'pet matters'(ie: i did get notice and fined because my dog sometimes howls due to separation anxiety) so i was trying to stay away from contacting them in the beginning. I did not also want the other parties get into too much trouble.
If they're renters not the owners, they may get evicted. That's what I was concerned about but oh wells..


You should report them b/c their dog attacked yours and could possibly attack a child. Owners should have control of their dogs at all times.
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Thank you.
True. Ad I created to put up at the board did state the fact that it's just not other pets, also the young ones might be in danger due to the other dog's aggressiveness.


all advice has been great, if you want to find them that bad I would even offer a reward for someone to tell you who's dog it is. No question contact strata since that's once thing they will be able to help with.

Thank you.
I will give it time till the end of this week and probably create another ad with rewards or something else
if the owners of the other dog don't come foward.

[fliptuner]

Any cameras where it happened?

[Mkhun]

Any cameras where it happened?

There are 2 actually and I asked Strata if they can retrieve some of the footage.

[fliptuner]

Perfect. Good luck.

[Ch28]

Why don't you want to contact strata? They're more likely to know which units have pets, and if this dog is not well trained there have likely been complaints about it previously.

This is the appropriate response.

Another thing that you can do is post a notice on the common notice board with a description of the owners and their dog and offer a reward. Guaran-damn-tee you that someone has seen them and will be more than willing to report it.

As mentioned above, they become very sensitive when it comes to 'pet matters'(ie: i did get notice and fined because my dog sometimes howls due to separation anxiety) so i was trying to stay away from contacting them in the beginning. I did not also want the other parties get into too much trouble.

If they're renters not the owners, they may get evicted. That's what I was concerned about but oh wells.

Honestly, you're too nice. Who cares about the other party getting into trouble or possibly evicted? If your dog attacks mine for no apparent reason, other then the fact that they're aggressive, then you damn well better be prepared to suffer the consequences. You have nothing to be worried about. Remember, their dog attacked yours. Not only will your dog need to take time to heal from the physical attack, but psychologically, your dog can/will have a hard time not being anxious or protective against other dogs now.

[Mkhun]

This is the appropriate response.
Another thing that you can do is post a notice on the common notice board with a description of the owners and their dog and offer a reward. Guaran-damn-tee you that someone has seen them and will be more than willing to report it.

Honestly, you're too nice. Who cares about the other party getting into trouble or possibly evicted? If your dog attacks mine for no apparent reason, other then the fact that they're aggressive, then you damn well better be prepared to suffer the consequences. You have nothing to be worried about. Remember, their dog attacked yours. Not only will your dog need to take time to heal from the physical attack, but psychologically, your dog can/will have a hard time not being anxious or protective against other dogs now.

Thank you.

I did contact strata and visited concierge in our building yesterday.
Concierge person was very cooperative, but the strata is bit slow..

They're retrieving the CCTV and it seems like the other party used side door to get in&out
since the camera inside of the lobby didn't caught anything other than me exiting before the incident and entering after the incident.

Regardless, where the incident happened is right outside of the lobby,
there's another camera so they'll re-retrieve all cameras in the building which may take some time.

They're also scanning all fob usage records stored in their database, once they catch them on CCTV record, they'll match the suspects with fob records and try to figure out which floor/unit they're in.

Surprisingly the city hall animal control officer was very, very kind and cooperative and he's pushing the strata to pull out the information of the owners.

I did created an ad and posted on the bulletin.
Maybe I should revise the ad with "reward" section and post them all 4 elevators instead of just 1 bulletin board.

I'm pushing as much as I can, just matter of time to find them and time to heal wounds in&out.



After couple stitches..
TBH still really pisses me off everytime i look at him sitting on corner like this with uncomfortable collar on.
Tough to feed, take him out on a shitty rainy day like this.
Lucky he's still being cheerful and somewhat being normal so far.

Thank you very much for all your kind advises.

I sincerely hope I can get to the bottom of this so that there's no more happenings like this to anyone with pets, kids in the building.

At this point, all I want is let the dog and the owner stay the F' out of anyone,
and I want "SORRY" from their asses.

I'm gonna focus on tracking them down, and spend all time&money for my dog's fast recovery.

I am amazed how people can be very warm and helpful with the warm words in our building, at the same time, some (like the other party) just walk away like it's non of their F'ng business.

https://preview.ibb.co/kRyLMF/Kakao_Talk_20170328_224255369.jpg (https://ibb.co/driWTv)

[originalhypa]

Bloody cowards!
This is like a hit and run, except I like my dogs more than I like my truck. A lot more, and I like my truck a lot.

Thank you for the updates and please keep them coming. It will be good for everyone here if we saw that some justice was served. And to think, if they did the right thing in the first place this could have all been avoided. Poor pup, he is a good looking dog.

Good luck.

[Dragon-88]

I know a dog trainer and every time they deal/train with an aggressive dog that sheds any blood on a human or another animal, the animals information needs to be submitted to the SPCA or city for record keeping.

If you find the suspect, then you can also make sure the owners have licensed the dog, the dog has had its shots and so on.. Stratas are usually pretty good at locating the owners, especially if you have camera's.

Hope all works out.. I dont expect much from the Strata fining the culprits but make sure Animal control covers everything, especially making sure that other dog has had shots and so on.

[underscore]

:( poor pup. Give him some extra belly rubs from RS.

[Vancouver240sx]

Something VERY similar happened to my dog the other day, resulting in 3 stitches and a decent size vet bill. We live next to a few hotels and the dog owner stays at one of them making contacting this guy very difficult. I've left messages with the hotel, but he hasn't responded. Hope to see him in person or I'll just eat the cost, which sucks.

Hope your dog has a speedy recovery!!

Rich

[zilley]

what kind of dog?

hope your dog a speedy recovery.

[Vancouver240sx]

My old man is a chocolate lab, the other dog was a great Dane.

That's Hobbes on the way home from getting his stitches out yesterday.

Rich

[pintoBC_3sgte]

Wow! Hope both of your dogs have speedy recoveries! I know I would freak if another dog attacked mine and the owners took off running

[racerman88]

I hope your dog has a speedy recovery


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[stewie]

Thank you.

I did contact strata and visited concierge in our building yesterday.
Concierge person was very cooperative, but the strata is bit slow..

They're retrieving the CCTV and it seems like the other party used side door to get in&out
since the camera inside of the lobby didn't caught anything other than me exiting before the incident and entering after the incident.

Regardless, where the incident happened is right outside of the lobby,
there's another camera so they'll re-retrieve all cameras in the building which may take some time.

They're also scanning all fob usage records stored in their database, once they catch them on CCTV record, they'll match the suspects with fob records and try to figure out which floor/unit they're in.

Surprisingly the city hall animal control officer was very, very kind and cooperative and he's pushing the strata to pull out the information of the owners.

I did created an ad and posted on the bulletin.
Maybe I should revise the ad with "reward" section and post them all 4 elevators instead of just 1 bulletin board.

I'm pushing as much as I can, just matter of time to find them and time to heal wounds in&out.



After couple stitches..
TBH still really pisses me off everytime i look at him sitting on corner like this with uncomfortable collar on.
Tough to feed, take him out on a shitty rainy day like this.
Lucky he's still being cheerful and somewhat being normal so far.

Thank you very much for all your kind advises.

I sincerely hope I can get to the bottom of this so that there's no more happenings like this to anyone with pets, kids in the building.

At this point, all I want is let the dog and the owner stay the F' out of anyone,
and I want "SORRY" from their asses.

I'm gonna focus on tracking them down, and spend all time&money for my dog's fast recovery.

I am amazed how people can be very warm and helpful with the warm words in our building, at the same time, some (like the other party) just walk away like it's non of their F'ng business.



If putting up a reward on an ad doesn't help go grab a camping chair and sit in the lobby for a day. It's a big dog, it'll need to go out to take a piss eventually.

[320icar]

RS lawn chair meet

[Mkhun]

Bloody cowards!
This is like a hit and run, except I like my dogs more than I like my truck. A lot more, and I like my truck a lot.
Thank you for the updates and please keep them coming. It will be good for everyone here if we saw that some justice was served. And to think, if they did the right thing in the first place this could have all been avoided. Poor pup, he is a good looking dog.
Good luck.

Thank you.
Yes, it's more like you take your kid out and gets beaten no reason and cannot locate the attacker. And you take your kid to ER.
As time goes by, the waiting is drying me out slowly.
Strata is somehow being silent with all my requests and emails so far, however, the person who works at the concierge is being very cooperative so far.


I know a dog trainer and every time they deal/train with an aggressive dog that sheds any blood on a human or another animal, the animals information needs to be submitted to the SPCA or city for record keeping.
If you find the suspect, then you can also make sure the owners have licensed the dog, the dog has had its shots and so on.. Stratas are usually pretty good at locating the owners, especially if you have camera's.
Hope all works out.. I dont expect much from the Strata fining the culprits but make sure Animal control covers everything, especially making sure that other dog has had shots and so on.

Thank you.
At this point, strata is being silent and I do not know if they're working on this issue or not.
Concierge person is kind enough to retrieve the CCTV and it clearly caught the incident, owners, and the aggressive dog without muzzle/leash.
I asked for a copy of the CCTV.
Coquitlam City Animal Control Officer told me to let him know if strata is not providing me the CCTV record, he will push them.

As far as he's concerned, the dog is not registered to the city nor SPCA.

Luckily my dog is registered by the city, so they created a file for us and keep following up with this issue.


:( poor pup. Give him some extra belly rubs from RS.

Thank you. Already did :thumbsup:


Something VERY similar happened to my dog the other day, resulting in 3 stitches and a decent size vet bill. We live next to a few hotels and the dog owner stays at one of them making contacting this guy very difficult. I've left messages with the hotel, but he hasn't responded. Hope to see him in person or I'll just eat the cost, which sucks.
Hope your dog has a speedy recovery!!

Rich

Thank you.
I 100% feel what you are saying.
It's really difficult and sucky situation for sure.:flamemad:
Hope your dog has a speedy recovery and seriously, hope you can find the other party ASAP!!!


what kind of dog?
hope your dog a speedy recovery.

Thank you.
He's a 4 years old Sheltie
https://image.ibb.co/jC3RTv/Kakao_Talk_20170329_181251301.jpg (https://ibb.co/gNJFMF)

My old man is a chocolate lab, the other dog was a great Dane.
That's Hobbes on the way home from getting his stitches out yesterday.
Rich

:tears: Please send him warm regards..


Wow! Hope both of your dogs have speedy recoveries! I know I would freak if another dog attacked mine and the owners took off running

Thank you.
It's chaotic looking after your dog right after the incident and when you look up, they're gone.


I hope your dog has a speedy recovery
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Thank you!


If putting up a reward on an ad doesn't help go grab a camping chair and sit in the lobby for a day. It's a big dog, it'll need to go out to take a piss eventually.

Sure thing. Concierge is sitting at the lobby desk all day, and they're monitoring the CCTV and the scene around 24/7 to see if anyone matches with the CCTV picture.
They do have my personal contact info so I'm with my phone also 24/7


RS lawn chair meet

:awwyeah:

[Dragon-88]

Thank you.

I did contact strata and visited concierge in our building yesterday.
Concierge person was very cooperative, but the strata is bit slow..

They're retrieving the CCTV and it seems like the other party used side door to get in&out
since the camera inside of the lobby didn't caught anything other than me exiting before the incident and entering after the incident.

Regardless, where the incident happened is right outside of the lobby,
there's another camera so they'll re-retrieve all cameras in the building which may take some time.

They're also scanning all fob usage records stored in their database, once they catch them on CCTV record, they'll match the suspects with fob records and try to figure out which floor/unit they're in.

Surprisingly the city hall animal control officer was very, very kind and cooperative and he's pushing the strata to pull out the information of the owners.

I did created an ad and posted on the bulletin.
Maybe I should revise the ad with "reward" section and post them all 4 elevators instead of just 1 bulletin board.

I'm pushing as much as I can, just matter of time to find them and time to heal wounds in&out.



After couple stitches..
TBH still really pisses me off everytime i look at him sitting on corner like this with uncomfortable collar on.
Tough to feed, take him out on a shitty rainy day like this.
Lucky he's still being cheerful and somewhat being normal so far.

Thank you very much for all your kind advises.

I sincerely hope I can get to the bottom of this so that there's no more happenings like this to anyone with pets, kids in the building.

At this point, all I want is let the dog and the owner stay the F' out of anyone,
and I want "SORRY" from their asses.

I'm gonna focus on tracking them down, and spend all time&money for my dog's fast recovery.

I am amazed how people can be very warm and helpful with the warm words in our building, at the same time, some (like the other party) just walk away like it's non of their F'ng business.

https://preview.ibb.co/kRyLMF/Kakao_Talk_20170328_224255369.jpg (https://ibb.co/driWTv)

By chance do you live in M3? I saw a sheltie in my building today with a cone, and your discription says Coquitlam. Just curious.

[Mkhun]

*UPDATE*

Concierge (Big Thanks to him) did went over the CCTV and it clearly got the action, owners and the dog.
I asked the strata to give me a copy of the video so that I can fw it to Animal Control Officer.

However, we believe either:

a. they used (or usually using) side doors to get in&out of the building
b. living another apartment around the neighbourhood (there're 5 towers including ours)
as they did not used main lobby entrance.

IF a is the case,
Since CCTV shows exact time frame when it happened,
Fob usage can be tracked down which fob was used to get into elevator to which floor.
But it's tough to track down and I cannot get a hold onto the strata.
Concierge person only can track down the fob only if strata allows him to.

IF b is the case,
I will have to leave it up to the Animal Control service to see what I can do about it.

I'm supposed to have a chat with the Animal Control service officer later today to discuss further details.


At this point, what I'm thinking to do is;

as soon as I get a hold onto CCTV record,
I will try my best to colour print the screenshot of the video clearly,
post an ad with rewards on local community boards(ie: SB, Library, our apartment bulletin etc) and see if anyone will contact me.

I've spoke with couple other pet owners in our building yesterday and apparently, that dog is very famous around our neighbourhood.

People claim that that dog always shows aggression and tends to bark at any other dogs+the owners always seem to not being able to full take control of him/her.

On a bright side, my dog is recovering okay, he seems eat, poop a lot and everything seem to be okay so far.
Thanks all to the warm regards!
Supposed to take him back to vet in 8 days to take out the stitches and another vacc shot&last check up.

I took couple days off from work and staying warm, do regular walk around the block to see if i ever come across with them again.

[Mkhun]

By chance do you live in M3? I saw a sheltie in my building today with a cone, and your discription says Coquitlam. Just curious.

Yes, I do !

[originalhypa]

But it's tough to track down and I cannot get a hold onto the strata.

Makes me wonder if the aggressive dog is owned by one of the strata members.....

http://i.snack-girl.com/m/i/ingredientdetectiveb.jpg

Thanks for the update too.

[fliptuner]

My buddy's in that building as well. He can keep an eye out too.

[Ch28]

If your strata council is anything like mine then you'll definitely need to do a lot of pushing. Make sure that every correspondence you make to them is via email or recorded somehow to help protect yourself. I'm happy the the CCTV footage shows them and that concierge seems to be really helpful in this situation.

[zilley]

I meant the other parties dog, but your sheltie is beautiful.

I almost bought one out of impulse a few months ago.. LOL.

[Mkhun]

Makes me wonder if the aggressive dog is owned by one of the strata members.....
http://i.snack-girl.com/m/i/ingredientdetectiveb.jpg
Thanks for the update too.

No problem!
I sincerely hope not.
It's just the strata being lazy or too busy I hope.


My buddy's in that building as well. He can keep an eye out too.

Thank you!
Maybe he already saw the ad I posted up on the bulletin


If your strata council is anything like mine then you'll definitely need to do a lot of pushing. Make sure that every correspondence you make to them is via email or recorded somehow to help protect yourself. I'm happy the the CCTV footage shows them and that concierge seems to be really helpful in this situation.

Thank you.
I am pushing and so as the Animal Control Officer(ACO).
I am mainly using emails as a communication method, so everything is all in records.
ACO said he can leave my case open for next 6 months or so, so I got enough time.
I just hope I do not need to be in the hunt for them for another 6 months.


I meant the other parties dog, but your sheltie is beautiful.
I almost bought one out of impulse a few months ago.. LOL.

Thank you
It was a Gold/Brown Labrador.
Shelties are very bright and clever, just needs lot and lots of exercise.

He already adjusted himself with being cone on his head.
I've changed his dish with something wider and flatter so he can feed himself easier.
He's using the end of the cone as "excavator" and not leaving a single piece of food on his dish :awwyeah:



Just finished talking to the ACO.

He gave me his personal/work phone# and email address so that I can contact him at any time.

He advised me to push Strata for CCTV footage, otherwise, he will push.

No words from Strata yet.

I created another ad with rewards so that I can spread them out on nearby SB, Public library, out building bulletin boards etc.

Going to be a busy weekend.

I don't think RCMP won't deal with these type of cases, but i may as well just call them and as for an advise.

I also posted a discussion on one of the FB group(lower mainland pet owners)and apparently. there're tons of cases like this.

VERY disappointing to see irresponsible people and cases like this just left behind, bot properly followed up and resolved.

[PJ]

Good on you for doing all you can and making all the right moves to follow up.

I take care of dogs for a living, and it's always a shame when dog owners have such a lack of responsibility-- especially when their dog carries that type of aggression. Very rarely do dogs snap like that out of no where, causing that much damage. On the rare occasion it does happen, any responsible owner would own up to it and take the necessary steps to make amends and prevent it from happening again. This leads me to believe that the owners knew about their dog's behaviour and are simply careless.

Like someone said, next time it could happen to a child or a small dog and the injuries could be way worse or even fatal.

Hope your dog has a speedy recovery. Let me know if you have any questions.

[Mkhun]

Good on you for doing all you can and making all the right moves to follow up.

I take care of dogs for a living, and it's always a shame when dog owners have such a lack of responsibility-- especially when their dog carries that type of aggression. Very rarely do dogs snap like that out of no where, causing that much damage. On the rare occasion it does happen, any responsible owner would own up to it and take the necessary steps to make amends and prevent it from happening again. This leads me to believe that the owners knew about their dog's behaviour and are simply careless.

Like someone said, next time it could happen to a child or a small dog and the injuries could be way worse or even fatal.

Hope your dog has a speedy recovery. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thank you.
I really think, and feel a lot in various ways while going thru this whole process.
Careless is okay as long as it's not harm to the public's safety/to other pets, children.

Issue is, one being's careless behaviour can cause tremendous damage to someone just like a finger snap.

[Mkhun]

*UPDATE*

Encountered with the owners and the dog.
Took 3 days to come across with them/finding them.

I just got off work and got a photo msg from home.
My the other half and the roommate spotted a couple with a dog whom matches my description
and they ran down, got a hold onto them.

[fliptuner]

I wonder how that conversation went.

[Ch28]

I can't wait for the incoming bullshit excuses those careless owners are going to use.

[Mkhun]

I wonder how that conversation went.

It went okay..just okay..


I can't wait for the incoming bullshit excuses those careless owners are going to use.

I wasn't expecting anything better or less.



*Another update, Long post*

As soon as I got off from work yesterday,
gf and the roommate inbox me with couple pictures of a couple&dog walking outside at time, easily seen on our patio(5th floor, corner garden unit)

It was them.

The dog was not on the leash properly and dog was freely walking/jumping around&peeing EVERYWHERE.

I asked to go down and try to talk to them, and give me a call as soon as meeting them.
All I needed was one of the owner's name, dog's name, and a number.

The thing is, when my gf and roommate ran down and got a hang onto them, it was close enough to the lobby of my apartment building.
So, CCTV caught everything while they were talking.
(Hence, I've called RCMP and reported the owners&dog's inappropriate behaviour and aggressiveness. Will be explained later)

Even before they approached to the owners and the dog, the dog already turned around and start to growl, and start jumping.

As soon as the owners realized the dog jumping(big dog), he&she pulled the loose leash hard enough that the dog ended up fall down, and rolled on the ground.

Even after, one of the owners(female owner) tried to hang onto the leash with two hands, leaning back towards to strain him as hard as possible.

My gf asked, how they were and what kind of dog they own.

They say "Why do you want to know? it's not our fault".

Okay..

So, my gf and roommate asked, if they are aware of a Sheltie around this area and they responded "it's not our dog's fault, your dog attacked my dog first, and our dog is very well trained."
And there goes swearing coming out the the female owner very angry voice.
Once she started to swear, It went for a while.
Calling my gf and roommate total f'ng Bi**** was one of the easiest thing to hear over the phone, as she won't just stop swearing and threatening with big gestures. The guy ended up calming her down after talking to me over the phone tho.
-> This is why I thought she must be F'd up in the head and needed to report her to police.
The behaviour towards her dog and to my gf&roommate was hard to just stand.

Their verbal response, immediate reaction, and the dog's behaviour already showed they were fully aware of this situation and their dog is obviously not very well trained.

Funny thing is, they have never seen my gf or my roommate with my dog.
It was me.

I ended up talking to the guy, one of the owners over the phone for brief, simple and short while ladies were having heaty arguments(could hear everything over the phone).

His first response was hello, it's not my fault.

I really had to hold down the grudge and calmly spoke with him and he seem to be cooperating.

- I introduced myself, and he said he knows me.
- I asked if his dog is okay and he said his dog is fine.
- I told him my dog got hurt and went thru surgery. He said it's not their/their dog's fault.(NEVERNEVER asked me if my dog is okay)
- He added my dog attacked their first and initiated the fight.
- I told him, listen, I have CCTV records. No lies to me. Regardless, my dog got hurt. Man up and take the responsibility.
- I told him I've reported this incident to ACS(Animal Control Service)
- I told him both city hall, ACS, and RCMP already has all of my information and all the information I know regarding this incident
- I told him dogs tend to get excited and can have fun, but their dog must be on the proper leash with reasonable amount of distance with the owners themselves, and must be in full control of them.
- I told him CCTV records which shows the none of the above was witnessed.
- I told him by the fact that once the dog got bitten, then you realized shits gone wrong and tried to pull their dogs away, but couldn't just control their dog. They didn't even notice what their dog was doing right before my dog got bitten because they were busy talking to each other, not paying attention to their dog.
- I asked him to give me his name, dog's name, and phone# at least so that I can pass on that info to ACS and RCMP.

Then he was listening to me whole time and gave me his number, name, and dong's name.

He wanted to meet me but I didn't want to, and I have no reason to do so.

I made sure while we were on the phone, I messaged him and he replied to me right back.

Things went too smooth and as I was expecting, things got bit twisted again.

I came back home, sent him another message asking his address and email address to add on my file and never got a reply back till now.



I kinda am regretting now that I should've asked for a copy of his identification (DL or BCID) or asked for the residential address, or email address even.

He probably wouldn't give it out anyways, but still..*sigh*

I sent Animal Control office a long email with lots, and lots of attachments.

Email body is pretty much the statement for:

- What exactly happened on that first incident
- What exactly happened when we re-encountered with them yesterday again - Whatever I got from the owners, basic information

Attachments are:

- Pictures of surrounding areas
- my dog's damage
- vet records
- email that I sent to strata requesting CCTV footage(cc's strata manager too)
- message I sent to him when I came home
- their dog's picture.



Anyhow, Animal Control Officer who's following up with my case is not on duty today.
I've sent him and email. left voice memo, so I guess it's a waiting game from now on.

I think I've done enough to appeal my case, and I'm going to let the professionals handle it, and decide.

I will still keep bugging them and follow up with the case tho.

I don't want them to get away with this.

If there're further updates, I will make sure update on this thread too.

Hopefully there could be something done right this time so that this would probably be the greatest gift to my dog's upcoming birthday(which is April 2nd!)

Thanks to all who commented, gave me advice, and cared with your hearts and thanks to RS!

-M

[threezero]

I Don't believe that owners are require to muzzle dog aggressive dogs. Only human aggressive dogs are require to be muzzled by law and to acquire a special dangerous dog license. That was the case when I had to get the dangerous license for my dog.

[originalhypa]

People who don't take responsibility for their actions make me sick. Especially after being confronted with the video evidence, etc.

unbelievable.
:fulloffuck:

[Fafine]

Props to OP for being composed and calm through this situation.

i dont believe in dangerous or bad dogs
Only bad owners.

[threezero]

Props to OP for being composed and calm through this situation.

i dont believe in dangerous or bad dogs
Only bad owners.

some dogs are harder to handle than other. I don't believe that everybody should own any kind of dogs. More like this is the case of mismatch owner with dogs. The same dog could still be dog aggressive with a different owner but everything can be manage if one is responsible

[quasi]

some dogs are harder to handle than other. I don't believe that everybody should own any kind of dogs. More like this is the case of mismatch owner with dogs. The same dog could still be dog aggressive with a different owner but everything can be manage if one is responsible

I agree 100%. After my bully past I posted in this forum about the new dog we adopted from Kamloops SPCA. He was an American Bulldog Cross, beautiful dog super friendly with a great temperament to other people but once I got out with him a bit I realized he was a bit of a handful. He would go straight Cujo around other dogs, he was a strong dog probably 110 pounds pretty much solid muscle it took all of me to hold him back with a harness and a collar.

I soon realize this dog could be a huge liability because of the high density area we lived and us having so many different kids at our place all the time. I have a 10 year old, he's 10 and he makes mistakes. All it would have took it him coming in the front door when a dog is walking by and the new dog pushing past him and shredding whatever dog he got a hold of. My wife didn't talk to me for a week but I took the next day off work, put the dog in the vehicle and drove him back to Kamloops. I really liked the dog but realized for our needs he wasn't the right fit.

We now have a border collie cross who we've nicknamed asshole because he's an asshole, but he's harmless.

For the record I'm not against bully breeds, I'd get another one in a heartbeat but it has to be the right situation and fit. I miss my Bully so much, I tell my wife everyday that I like this asshole dog we got but he will never replace my Staffie NEVER!!!!

[threezero]

Thank you for that. I feel like the trendy saying of "no dangerous dogs only bad owner" is so overrated. Some dogs ARE hard to handle. Some are even meant to be hard to handle. Before you go blaming the owner for being a bad owner, the same owner would have been a model canine parent had he selected something more handlable for their situation and ability.

Is he a bad owner or just way over his head?

This is the same analogy as teenage kids with high power sports cars

[Fafine]

Thank you for that. I feel like the trendy saying of "no dangerous dogs only bad owner" is so overrated. Some dogs ARE hard to handle. Some are even meant to be hard to handle. Before you go blaming the owner for being a bad owner, the same owner would have been a model canine parent had he selected something more handlable for their situation and ability.

Is he a bad owner or just way over his head?

This is the same analogy as teenage kids with high power sports cars

Then they should be a good owner, and keep an eye on their dog if they know he's trouble. Or be responsible like quasi.

[Ch28]

I agree 100%. After my bully past I posted in this forum about the new dog we adopted from Kamloops SPCA. He was an American Bulldog Cross, beautiful dog super friendly with a great temperament to other people but once I got out with him a bit I realized he was a bit of a handful. He would go straight Cujo around other dogs, he was a strong dog probably 110 pounds pretty much solid muscle it took all of me to hold him back with a harness and a collar.

I soon realize this dog could be a huge liability because of the high density area we lived and us having so many different kids at our place all the time. I have a 10 year old, he's 10 and he makes mistakes. All it would have took it him coming in the front door when a dog is walking by and the new dog pushing past him and shredding whatever dog he got a hold of. My wife didn't talk to me for a week but I took the next day off work, put the dog in the vehicle and drove him back to Kamloops. I really liked the dog but realized for our needs he wasn't the right fit.

We now have a border collie cross who we've nicknamed asshole because he's an asshole, but he's harmless.

For the record I'm not against bully breeds, I'd get another one in a heartbeat but it has to be the right situation and fit. I miss my Bully so much, I tell my wife everyday that I like this asshole dog we got but he will never replace my Staffie NEVER!!!!

I applaud you for doing the right thing. I honestly can't say that I'd be able to do that especially if I already developed a bond with the dog. Must've been pretty hard on you and the dog.

[Mkhun]

I Don't believe that owners are require to muzzle dog aggressive dogs. Only human aggressive dogs are require to be muzzled by law and to acquire a special dangerous dog license. That was the case when I had to get the dangerous license for my dog.

It's not "required" as long as owners can "handle them".
As long as you don't let your dog to go out for walk, dog park and randomly biting around the other dogs, I don't care.
You can easily get one of the soft muzzled from Pet Smart, it's all up to your choice and ability how much you can handle.

CCTV clearly showed that when the "accident" happened, owners were not aware of wtf was going on, they were busy smoking and talking to eachother.
Once the dog bit mine, then they tried to pull away but couldn't just control their dog.


People who don't take responsibility for their actions make me sick. Especially after being confronted with the video evidence, etc.
unbelievable.
:fulloffuck:

They are keep denying, refusing, and pointing finger at me&my dog even after the footage proof.
Also their dog seems to be just fine when my dog had to go through surgery.
I had a chance to ask them if their dog is okay and all I got from them was "it's your dog who attacked my dog and you need to take control over your shitty dog".
No apologies, no courtesy to ask if my dog is okay, no respect at all.
Oh well, I just left to ACS officer and RCMP to deal with them.


Props to OP for being composed and calm through this situation.
i dont believe in dangerous or bad dogs
Only bad owners.

I agree. Thank you.


some dogs are harder to handle than other. I don't believe that everybody should own any kind of dogs. More like this is the case of mismatch owner with dogs. The same dog could still be dog aggressive with a different owner but everything can be manage if one is responsible

Thank you for that. I feel like the trendy saying of "no dangerous dogs only bad owner" is so overrated. Some dogs ARE hard to handle. Some are even meant to be hard to handle. Before you go blaming the owner for being a bad owner, the same owner would have been a model canine parent had he selected something more handlable for their situation and ability.
Is he a bad owner or just way over his head?
This is the same analogy as teenage kids with high power sports cars

I agree. Thank you.
I understand what you mean and I mean no blame or harm to any dogs or owners out there, but please,
at least pay attention to your dog while you're out and spend some time to get to know your dog and "connect" if you know what I mean.


I agree 100%. After my bully past I posted in this forum about the new dog we adopted from Kamloops SPCA. He was an American Bulldog Cross, beautiful dog super friendly with a great temperament to other people but once I got out with him a bit I realized he was a bit of a handful. He would go straight Cujo around other dogs, he was a strong dog probably 110 pounds pretty much solid muscle it took all of me to hold him back with a harness and a collar.

I soon realize this dog could be a huge liability because of the high density area we lived and us having so many different kids at our place all the time. I have a 10 year old, he's 10 and he makes mistakes. All it would have took it him coming in the front door when a dog is walking by and the new dog pushing past him and shredding whatever dog he got a hold of. My wife didn't talk to me for a week but I took the next day off work, put the dog in the vehicle and drove him back to Kamloops. I really liked the dog but realized for our needs he wasn't the right fit.

We now have a border collie cross who we've nicknamed asshole because he's an asshole, but he's harmless.

For the record I'm not against bully breeds, I'd get another one in a heartbeat but it has to be the right situation and fit. I miss my Bully so much, I tell my wife everyday that I like this asshole dog we got but he will never replace my Staffie NEVER!!!!

I applaud you for doing the right thing. I honestly can't say that I'd be able to do that especially if I already developed a bond with the dog. Must've been pretty hard on you and the dog.

I'm so sorry to hear that..:QQ:
It must've been so tough for you especially when you are already attached to your dog and developed so much bond with him/her as Ch28 already mentioned..
I really applaud you for doing so..


Then they should be a good owner, and keep an eye on their dog if they know he's trouble. Or be responsible like quasi.

Thank you.
I agree. Once you've made a mistake, (at least it seemed like they do realize shit went bad),
be mature enough to suck it up, and take the consequences.
Simple apology and follow up would've made everything a lot smoother and easier.



*UPDATE*

ACS and RCMP called me yesterday, It was my pup's Bday.

ACS officer said he received all of my emails, attachments, pretty much everything I've prepped and passed on.
He even told me I've done enough and leave it up to him and his supervisor.

He briefly already spoke to the owners and they're not cooperating well.
To make things worse, their dog is not registered any cities in lower mainland.
They demand proofs of CCTV AGAIN, and pictures, invoices that I claim due to my pup's damage.

Him and his boss will follow up this matter and they're working on;

- Make them to register their dog
- Fine them due to this incident
- Fixed leash less than 1.5 meters and muzzle restrictions
- Register as vicious/dangerous dog which prevents the dog going to any public area or dog parks
- Slap on monitor system for next 6 months or so (If they don't follow the restrictions, they're looking at pretty big fat fine bills each time witnessed)

However, ACS officer cannot force them to cover up my vet bills.
That's something that need to be dealt via small claims court which I think is time-wasting and unnecessary.

RCMP also called and told me to cooperate with ACS officer by the city, however,
If i come across with them and feel dangerous/threatened, I can call in immediately as I've got the direct number to the specific officer.
RCMP already has the owners and the dog's profile.

It will take minimum 5~max. 10 days till I get another call(probably last) from ACS officer pretty much wrapping up this case,
meantime, they might be voluntarily offer to cover up my vet bills and apologize or not.

At this point, I just want my dog recover well asap and happy to know that
ACS officer and RCMP are all helping me to sort things out at their best interest.

I built stronger relationship to other pet owners in my building and had a blast yesterday taking him to local dog park and let him be free for a while.

I sincerely hope all the other pet owners always stay alert and be healthy&safe with their pets for long.

Yes, it's exactly how the accidents happen.

You never know what kind of shit is coming to you even if you're not at fault.


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[320icar]

Good thing that the city and rcmp have been on top of it and helping to their fullest extent. Remember about worrying for the future and how your dog might act. YOU are the pack leader and they will follow YOUR energy. Always be calm and dominant!

/cesar

[Ch28]

You know the thing that bugs me the most about all of this? How two full grown adults cannot take responsibility when all parties involved know that it was their fault. Shit like that just absolutely infuriates me, especially when there is video proof of it taking place.

[westopher]

They sound like total scumbag owners, which is just so typical of dogs that end up in these situations. People should have to take a course and be licensed to own a dog.
You were very collected in this situation and I applaud you for that.
My dog was attacked by an off leash dog last night, but was fairly unscathed. My wife had to pick him up off the ground so he didn't bite back, because it would have made for a very bad outcome. Looking back it was probably pretty funny seeing someone holding a 65lb pitbull while some 25lb fluffy dog was going apeshit at him. Shitty part was it was my next door neighbour. She was very apologetic though, and no one was hurt. Just aggravated.