[BIC_BAWS]

All over what, to save 7$ once a year?

Cashback credit card, done

Coincidentally, $7 every 300L. I drive about 27,500km/yr since my move. That's 91.6-> 92x a year you get the bonus. 92 x $7 = $644

My AMEX plat at 2% CB would only net $69.15

27,500 ÷ 100 × 7.4L = 2035L ×$ 1.699 = $3,457.47/yr × 2% CB = $69.15



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[mikemhg]

Willing to wager most of us here driving turbo vehicles are filling up with 91/94, even if their vehicle can run on 87.

Can't be driving with a lack of power, even as it drains my bank account FeelsBadMan

[westopher]

Coincidentally, $7 every 300L. I drive about 27,500km/yr since my move. That's 91.6-> 92x a year you get the bonus. 92 x $7 = $644

My AMEX plat at 2% CB would only net $69.15

27,500 ÷ 100 × 7.4L = 2035L ×$ 1.699 = $3,457.47/yr × 2% CB = $69.15



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2035L/300L = 6.78
If your getting $7 every 300L that's $48
Unless you mean $7 every 300kms.

[Qmx323]

Willing to wager most of us here driving turbo vehicles are filling up with 91/94, even if their vehicle can run on 87.

Can't be driving with a lack of power, even as it drains my bank account FeelsBadMan

Is it really saving money, if you have to punch the accelerator harder to get moving at the same pace?

:QQ: KEKW

[EvoFire]

Shell is doing 5c off per litre with air miles card right now until the 21st. I found out by chance yesterday filling up my car.

I fill my cars at most once every 2 weeks, sometimes longer. $100 a month is not chump change imo, but its not like I can't afford it.

[Traum]

Shell is doing 5c off per litre with air miles card right now until the 21st. I found out by chance yesterday filling up my car.

I fill my cars at most once every 2 weeks, sometimes longer. $100 a month is not chump change imo, but its not like I can't afford it.
It is a personalized offer that you're getting? Cuz the only one that I'm seeing right now is the standard crappy offer that they are advertising:

https://www.airmiles.ca/en/offers/partners/shell-retail-canada.html

Get 1 Mile for every 10 L Shell V-Power premium fuels*
Get 1 Mile for every 20 L Shell Bronze, Silver and Diesel fuels**
Get 1 Mile for every $5 spent on car wash or in-store products***

[Coren]

For Journie rewards you also get 3c/L off if you are paying with a linked cibc credit/debit card.
Points accumulate super fast when they have promos on that are 3x the points when purchasing premium fuel

[EvoFire]

It is a personalized offer that you're getting? Cuz the only one that I'm seeing right now is the standard crappy offer that they are advertising:

https://www.airmiles.ca/en/offers/partners/shell-retail-canada.html

Get 1 Mile for every 10 L Shell V-Power premium fuels*
Get 1 Mile for every 20 L Shell Bronze, Silver and Diesel fuels**
Get 1 Mile for every $5 spent on car wash or in-store products***

Found the page yesterday couldn't find it again.

It's automatically presented when you swipe your air miles card and it asks if you want to use you 5cpl offer.

[320icar]

What the fuck is going on here

[westopher]

Supply chain issues!
Inflation!
Cost of goods skyrocketing!

Yet somehow companies are turning record profits and CEO pay is higher than ever. Just sounds like it’s just gotten easier to fuck us and find excuses.

[320icar]

I’m just frustrated with the cost of everything right now. The amount of money people have to make is fucking insane

[mikemhg]

I remember when gas hit $1.70 in the past, and people went fucking insane.

It's only winter right now, and we're there. When will people stand up and question what's going on? It takes a fucking vaccine mandate, yet we're completely passive and complacent to the utter corruption within this country/province that directly affects our lives.

It's baffling to me.

[whitev70r]

Yah, I saw $1.80 for reg today. Anything to do with border blockage by protesters? Maybe in ON but shouldn't be here, the one at Truck crossing just started yesterday and was disbursed.

[dark0821]

haha... cant wait till summer... and get fucked....

Thankfully gas cost is super low for me... the prime, miata + bike are as efficient as it gets...

But yea... I remember filling about $450 a month with the EVO back then when it was like $1.40ish regular (so $1.60ish for 94?)... lolol shiiittt.... get wrecked...

[Gerbs]

Are the new $1.80/L the new norm?

[cdizzle_996]

What I don’t I don’t understand is say on a Thursday’s afternoon the gas station has their tanks filled and pays X (let’s assume 1.35/L) fuel cost was at $1.52. Fast forward to the next day gas is $1.69 yet they’re still selling that same fuel in their tanks they paid 1.35/L.. how the fuck.

[320icar]

You’re question capitalism and greed? How dare you

[inv4zn]

What I don’t I don’t understand is say on a Thursday’s afternoon the gas station has their tanks filled and pays X (let’s assume 1.35/L) fuel cost was at $1.52. Fast forward to the next day gas is $1.69 yet they’re still selling that same fuel in their tanks they paid 1.35/L.. how the fuck.

How can you not understand...?

Let's say you own a store that sells oranges, and you buy your oranges from an orange farm.

Yesterday you went to the farm and bought all your oranges for $0.25/orange, and you have enough oranges to sell for 2 weeks. You know the other orange stores are selling them at $0.75/orange, so that's what you're going to do also.

Suddenly, the orange farm calls you and tells you that starting in 2 weeks, each orange will cost $0.40/orange. You think to yourself "wow, my cost has gone up 15 cents! I guess in 2 weeks I'll have to raise my prices to $0.90."

Then you find out this asshole across the street who also owns an orange store, was given the same news. But instead he's like "fuck the people, if I can sell oranges for $0.90 in 2 weeks, I can sell oranges NOW for $0.90 and make even more money!". So you, being a capitalist, do the same. And now all the fucking oranges in town are $0.90.

And rinse and repeat.

[M Speed]

The gas price is like a roller coaster through out the day

180.9 to 177.9 to 175.9 to 171.9 and loops. But looks like now 175.9 is the low. Forecast expecting 185.9 in a week or two.

[MarkyMark]

Oh well we've already proven there's nothing that can break us in BC. Bidding wars on crack shack houses, the streets are still packed with gas guzzlers and cars that require premium. Paying over MSRP to get the new car you want. When they are allowed to be open restaurants are still packed. Clearly people can afford it, or don't mind being in crippling debt lol

We've been hearing how people aren't going to be able to afford it since gas first cracked $1 a litre, and yet here we are

[JDMDreams]

Doesn't like 50% of the rs ballas have an ev in the garage by now? :lawl::troll: saving the gas for the fun cars.

I laugh every time a pick up truck floors it and it doesn't go anywhere, all sound no go.

[twitchyzero]

Oh well we've already proven there's nothing that can break us in BC. Bidding wars on crack shack houses, the streets are still packed with gas guzzlers and cars that require premium. Paying over MSRP to get the new car you want. When they are allowed to be open restaurants are still packed. Clearly people can afford it, or don't mind being in crippling debt lol

We've been hearing how people aren't going to be able to afford it since gas first cracked $1 a litre, and yet here we are

huh people still have to get around

less than 2 years ago it dipped below 80c..this recent spike is from the looming war

and it's not like EVs are readily available in all flavours

also even a civic these days asks for premium

[yray]

real ballers drive a port injection v8 thats 20 years old and makes 100hp

30L/ 100KM YOLO

:okay:

[JDMDreams]

Yea I was thinking of pulling the supercharged V8 back out, but then I might wait another month. At least PR is open and you can skip the carbon tax :accepted:

[M Speed]

Yea I was thinking of pulling the supercharged V8 back out, but then I might wait another month. At least PR is open and you can skip the carbon tax :accepted:

Had you tried it yourself? News said yes but seems some ran into problem crossing.

[bcrdukes]

My AMEX plat

Ballin / flexin'

[Traum]

Paid for my $2+ per L gas for the first time ever last night @ $2.019/L. It's funny how this old familiar feeling came back when I paid for $1+ per L gas some 9 - 10 years ago.

Ugh... I really need to get into the EV game...

[JDMDreams]

Yeah I went a few weeks back, $1 USD a litre. But I was driving ev that day and didn't have my Jerry cans with me. You're good as long as you have your arrive can filled out. Make sure you get to the qr code page. Cus someone else had issues with the arrive can and it kept looping back to earlier pages and the code never generated, then they got pulled in. Cuz they can see at the booth if you have it done.


Had you tried it yourself? News said yes but seems some ran into problem crossing.

[BIC_BAWS]

This thread started almost 4 years ago. 4 years later, $0.46c more expensive. ~ 12cents/L YOY increase.

Ballin / flexin'

idk why i keep calling it plat when its just a simplycash preferred. Too many words to remember.

[Acura604]

what app people using to track US gas prices ?

borderbuddy seems dead.
gasbuddy doesn't report down there.

[Rallydrv]

new .11$ tax going to kick in soon, april 1st

[Manic!]

what app people using to track US gas prices ?

borderbuddy seems dead.
gasbuddy doesn't report down there.

Gasbuddy works for me. Just test it.

[TypeRNammer]

what app people using to track US gas prices ?

borderbuddy seems dead.
gasbuddy doesn't report down there.

Gasbuddy works for me. Just test it.

Might be referring to Point Roberts since no one really reports gas prices down there

[320icar]

I guess it’s time to start going to PR and bringing the two jerry cans.

PR is. 24h crossing right? Then I can just go after work (midnight)

[AzNightmare]

How does WA's 92 oct compare to Shell 93?

[white rocket]

I audibly gasped at the $180.9/L yesterday when I saw the sign and decided to wait on getting gas. Was pleasantly surprised at the $173.9/L at the same station today and it felt like I found money on the ground. Crazy to see such a big fluctuation within a 24 hour span.

[SpeedStars]

I guess it’s time to start going to PR and bringing the two jerry cans.

PR is. 24h crossing right? Then I can just go after work (midnight)

Yep 24h. I think I paid $1.33ish CAD for regular at She down there.

[BIC_BAWS]

Yep 24h. I think I paid $1.33ish CAD for regular at She down there.

I paid $1.70 ($1.74 if you account for 2.5% FX Fee) CAD for 92 Shell on Jan 30. Not sure if prices have gone up in the last two weeks. I'd recommend signing up for the FuelRewards program. It gives you $0.05 - $0.20/gal off. I used it a bunch pre pandemic as I used to go to Blaine every weekend.

[smoothie.]

Any issues for anyone going to PR for gas/packages this month?

One of my friends got a call from CRA "Hows your quarantine going?" and had to call in to have them say pls ignore, glitch

[Simplex123]

Any issues for anyone going to PR for gas/packages this month?



One of my friends got a call from CRA "Hows your quarantine going?" and had to call in to have them say pls ignore, glitch



No issues for both gas or packages at PR. The CRA called for something else and had info that they are supposed to be "under quarantine" and asked how it was going..?



what app people using to track US gas prices ?



borderbuddy seems dead.

gasbuddy doesn't report down there.



There's a new station down in Point Roberts called Speedway which has an app that shows live gas price of the station. Pricing is pretty much on par with the second tier stations down there so Shell/Chevron will be around +10-12cents.

The app is amazing for users but probably won't see the main players doing it since it doesn't make business sense for people to be closely tracking gas prices on their phones to get it at its cheapest point



https://i.ibb.co/QbSW0hV/IMG-D042-F619362-A-1.jpg (https://ibb.co/dWCNZXv)

[hchang]

new .11$ tax going to kick in soon, april 1st

Fuck these NDP clowns

[GLOW]

new .11$ tax going to kick in soon, april 1st

$0.11/L wow that's bold :lawl:











:okay:

[320icar]

new .11$ tax going to kick in soon, april 1st

Say sike. Say sike right now. There’s no way this is real.

[320icar]

Is there a way to see gas prices for point roberts? I look up the gas buddy app and they don’t have much info, especially for premium which my cars need

[SumAznGuy]

Fuck these NDP clowns

You should blame Gordo Campbell and the Liberals as they implemented the first carbon tax on gasoline back in 2008.

[westopher]

Fuck these NDP clowns
Not gonna blame the oil companies that just turned record profits?
Also, it’s going up TO 11cents, from 10 cents. Which will be exactly in line with ontarios conservative governments 11 cent carbon tax.

[twitchyzero]

There's a new station down in Point Roberts called Speedway which has an app that shows live gas price of the station. Pricing is pretty much on par with the second tier stations down there so Shell/Chevron will be around +10-12cents.


any concerns about stale gas? given how ghost town PR apparently is

[GLOW]

Not gonna blame the oil companies that just turned record profits?
Also, it’s going up TO 11cents, from 10 cents. Which will be exactly in line with ontarios conservative governments 11 cent carbon tax.

Thanks for the clarification, i thought it was an additional 11 cents on top of what was going on :lol

[westopher]

I could be wrong for sure, but that’s what my latest googling says, even from the Canadian taxpayer federation who operates under the mentality that “tAXATIoN iS LiTerallY TheFT”

[Teriyaki]

Thanks for the clarification, i thought it was an additional 11 cents on top of what was going on :lol

Won't stop the local mafia from taking advantage and jacking it up 10 cents on their end and point to the new 11c tax and shrug shoulders

[320icar]

Heads up for you jerry can warriors.

Since I can see my future, I don’t want to be a chump holding my Jerry cans trying to fill my car. It’s annoying enough at track days. I looked into the battery operated pumps and even on eBay they’re all $50+shipping which is insane

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/183436058182?epid=1837261110&hash=item2ab5a41e46:g:HfYAAOSw8fJbnXre

But I was just at Canadian tire looking for splined lug nuts and they have the same thing for $15. You’re god damn right I bought one.

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/motomaster-battery-operated-pump-0283043p.html#srp

[Traum]

any concerns about stale gas? given how ghost town PR apparently is
The border (to PR) has reopened long enough that I wouldn't be concerned about stale gas anymore.

[AzNightmare]

Is there a way to see gas prices for point roberts? I look up the gas buddy app and they don’t have much info, especially for premium which my cars need

Well premium prices are just usually a fixed amount on top of regular. Not sure what they are in US but it's +25cents locally.

[M Speed]

Heads up for you jerry can warriors.

Since I can see my future, I don’t want to be a chump holding my Jerry cans trying to fill my car. It’s annoying enough at track days. I looked into the battery operated pumps and even on eBay they’re all $50+shipping which is insane

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/183436058182?epid=1837261110&hash=item2ab5a41e46:g:HfYAAOSw8fJbnXre

But I was just at Canadian tire looking for splined lug nuts and they have the same thing for $15. You’re god damn right I bought one.

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/motomaster-battery-operated-pump-0283043p.html#srp

cost of 2 D cell batteries will drain your wallet.

Get a drill pump and the hoses.

[Simplex123]

Just went to Point Roberts last night. Shell was 1.07USD for reg and 1.36 for premium (both accounting for the 5cent reward discount). It's about a 25 cent/L savings for 92 Shell vs 91 here. You will be yielding larger savings with regular gas for sure.
Good thing I gassed up 170L. Saved about $42 and picked up a parcel so it wasn't too bad.

Well premium prices are just usually a fixed amount on top of regular. Not sure what they are in US but it's +25cents locally.

I haven't looked closely as of late, but last time I checked, they're most likely not fixed. Two stations could both show 175.9 on the sign but their 91 is likely to be different - with Shell 91 always at least on par, or more expensive than the rest.

[RCubed]

Heads up for you jerry can warriors.

Since I can see my future, I don’t want to be a chump holding my Jerry cans trying to fill my car. It’s annoying enough at track days. I looked into the battery operated pumps and even on eBay they’re all $50+shipping which is insane

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/183436058182?epid=1837261110&hash=item2ab5a41e46:g:HfYAAOSw8fJbnXre

But I was just at Canadian tire looking for splined lug nuts and they have the same thing for $15. You’re god damn right I bought one.

https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/motomaster-battery-operated-pump-0283043p.html#srp

I got one of these to fill E85 from my cans. Ended up not using it anymore because i ended up with a damp pump with nowhere to put it once im done. Jerry cans were a lot less messy.

[Hondaracer]

Suhweeeeettttt

https://i.imgur.com/tYZbxBr.jpg

[H.Specter]

So it sounds like for crossing at PR and coming back into Vancouver - no testing requirement?

[Fafine]

How many Jerry cans you guys bring to the PR runs?

[BIC_BAWS]

3 x 25L

[mikemhg]

I find it funny that rightwingers can organize people to drive across the damn country and hang out in freezing conditions over vaccinations -- a very divisive issue.

We all fucking need gas and drive cars, gas prices are a unifying subject.

I voted for the NDP and John Horgan, one of his campaign promises was specifically investigate/address the cost of gas in BC. He has yet kept that promise.

I find it interesting that we're so damn passive. Why as British Columbians are we paying more for gas than anywhere else in North America? What is going on here? Why is the populace so apathetic to doing anything about it, and holding their government accountable?

[dark0821]

^

Because it is Vancouver.... supposely it attracts all the top dollars within Canada... =)

Also everyone is just loaded top to bottom, my work parking lot consists of probably a 75K car avg.... and then there is my Miata ...

[MarkyMark]

Vancouver is this mystical place where everyone complains about how expensive everything is but nobody is broke enough to do anything about it.

[smoothie.]

Vancouver is this mystical place where everyone complains about how expensive everything is but nobody is broke enough to do anything about it.

we're all too busy working or crying looking at real estate listings we cant afford

[keifun]

Or probably the gov wants all of us to make the switch to EV.

Let gas prices keep increasing, more people switch to EV. Gov takes credit saying they are making BC green and environmentally friendly

[MarkyMark]

The government takes over 50 cents a litre everytime you fill up, trust me they don't want everyone switching to EVs anytime soon. Once EV gets popular enough that it hurts their bottom line the new taxes will roll in for them too.

[AstulzerRZD]

IWhy as British Columbians are we paying more for gas than anywhere else in North America? What is going on here? Why is the populace so apathetic to doing anything about it, and holding their government accountable?

RE: Gas Prices
We don't refine enough for ourselves, so we have to buy from Alberta (this is most of our supply) and WA State (5% of supply). Suppliers from AB/WA charge us a transport cost and markup on that.

WA State already got one of the highest spot prices for gasoline in domestic US because you guessed it... not enough refinement capacity.

RE: Public Inquiry

I thought this happened? BCUC held a public inquiry:
https://www.bcuc.com/OurWork/ViewProceeding?applicationid=681

There was some bill passed that required providers to provide info, and they also made this site: https://www.gaspricesbc.ca/

They found that there's some 13c litre that isn't accounted by taxes + transport cost + whatever on top of the PNW spot price.

[mikemhg]

I’m just frustrated with the cost of everything right now. The amount of money people have to make is fucking insane

RE: Gas Prices
We don't refine enough for ourselves, so we have to buy from Alberta (this is most of our supply) and WA State (5% of supply). Suppliers from AB/WA charge us a transport cost and markup on that.

WA State already got one of the highest spot prices for gasoline in domestic US because you guessed it... not enough refinement capacity.

RE: Public Inquiry

I thought this happened? BCUC held a public inquiry:
https://www.bcuc.com/OurWork/ViewProceeding?applicationid=681

There was some bill passed that required providers to provide info, and they also made this site: https://www.gaspricesbc.ca/

They found that there's some 13c litre that isn't accounted by taxes + transport cost + whatever on top of the PNW spot price.

Sorry, I'm simply not buying it man.

I've heard this "refinery" argument forever now. I call bullshit on that one.

We border a state below us with prices 30 cents or so less than us, for some a mere 20 minute drive away. We border our largest oil producer in the country Alberta as well.

https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/saskatchewan
https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/manitoba
https://www.gasbuddy.com/gasprices/new-brunswick

Look at each province above, what is their refinery capacity? Has prices in as remote as New Brunswick are still notably less.

I recall the findings of the "extra 12 or so cents per liter unaccounted for in BC" from that assessment and it always made me laugh. Where there's smoke there is fire, something is certainly wrong here in BC when it comes to our gas prices, and I have yet seen a government elected here to actually address the problem with real solutions.

I'm complaining yes, but with the cost of housing in this province, it just seems we're gouged at every single level here, it's becoming tiresome.

[mikemhg]

RE refineries by Province if anyone is curious.

https://www.oilsandsmagazine.com/projects/canadian-refineries

[twitchyzero]

even if the difference was like 20-30% compared to our neighbour, ok sucks but whatever

when it's 40%+, like damn we some remote island nation?

bp cherry is only 10 minutes south of surrey

[asian_XL]

:Popcorn from Tesla owner

[M Speed]

:Popcorn from Tesla owner

You mean teslun owner? LOL

[mikemhg]

even if the difference was like 20-30% compared to our neighbour, ok sucks but whatever

when it's 40%+, like damn we some remote island nation?

bp cherry is only 10 minutes south of surrey

It's like we're the Hawaii of Canada, but not in the middle of the Pacific :lol

[Hehe]

TBH, with the gas price where it is and what the price of EVs are nowadays and what they are capable of, for city commuting, it's literally a luxury that one is still driving an ICE vehicle.

I've gone full EV for a while already that I no longer care about gas price anymore. Now I just think all these increase in gas price is the gov't secret plot to switch everyone to EV. :fuckthatshit:

[!LittleDragon]

I made enough off coal last year to pay for 5 years of gas at $3/l so I'm good....

I was so close to dumping some of my EV stocks back in November to buy a Viper.... lol... then I realized I have nowhere to put it unless I get rid of my MR2. At least it's more than enough to pay for gas until I'm forced to buy an EV.

[320icar]

Is this the right thread to be bragging about how wealthy you are?

[twitchyzero]

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/22/1081092765/oil-gas-prices-100-barrel-ukraine-russia

a barrel of crude is back to a Benjamin

[AzNightmare]

TBH, with the gas price where it is and what the price of EVs are nowadays and what they are capable of, for city commuting, it's literally a luxury that one is still driving an ICE vehicle.

I've gone full EV for a while already that I no longer care about gas price anymore. Now I just think all these increase in gas price is the gov't secret plot to switch everyone to EV. :fuckthatshit:

I still find EV's quite expensive. I don't do enough commuting to make it worth it. I'll take quite a long time to break even so I still find ICE is fine. But given I don't drive a very expensive ICE and it's not a gas guzzler, that helps.

[bcedhk]

I made enough off coal last year to pay for 5 years of gas at $3/l so I'm good....

I was so close to dumping some of my EV stocks back in November to buy a Viper.... lol... then I realized I have nowhere to put it unless I get rid of my MR2. At least it's more than enough to pay for gas until I'm forced to buy an EV.

cool story bro

[Gerbs]

Is this the right thread to be bragging about how wealthy you are?

It's Revscene in 2022. We all make $200K+ and have $100K+ Car collections now :troll:

[M Speed]

I made enough off coal last year to pay for 5 years of gas at $3/l so I'm good....

I was so close to dumping some of my EV stocks back in November to buy a Viper.... lol... then I realized I have nowhere to put it unless I get rid of my MR2. At least it's more than enough to pay for gas until I'm forced to buy an EV.

cool way to flex there. But a true investor will further use the gain for more gain.

[Acura604]

1.93/L ! ! !

https://funtasticlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Gas-Shortage-Meme-siphoning.jpg

[mr00jimbo]

Does anybody know where they sell that coloured gasoline for farm use? I need to know so I can avoid that area and don't accidentally buy it and put it in my car.

[danned]

https://i.redd.it/2xlje4wxx8l81.jpg

[320icar]

Does anybody know where they sell that coloured gasoline for farm use? I need to know so I can avoid that area and don't accidentally buy it and put it in my car.

It’s called marked diesel

[gurdeep007]

$2.09 a L Chevron today on Rumble

[Great68]

Man, good timing that my wife no longer needs to daily the F150 to work.

[Acura604]

The Govt wont do ANYTHING... they're making so much off this DAILY.


There's $0.37/litre provincial tax on gas.

(That's a $0.27 fuel tax and a $0.10 carbon tax)

fuel tax includes MetroVan's 18.5 cent TransLink gas tax, and a 6.75 cent tax for roads and bridges and 1.75 cent tax for province's general revenue.

[JDMDreams]

There's always Point Roberts

[Tapioca]

I know this is a car enthusiast site, but why would the provincial government do anything to relieve the pain?

The government is committed to net-zero GHG emissions by 2050. Transportation accounts for almost 40% of GHG emissions in BC. Mass adoption of EVs are going to be the way to get there... particularly as the province needs to keep people employed in the Peace River region by supporting the natural gas industry and a growing LNG export market.

If a global energy crisis is going to convince more regular folks to make the switch to EV, why would the government stand in their way?

[GGnoRE]

I know this is a car enthusiast site, but why would the provincial government do anything to relieve the pain?

I would assume that they would like to get re-elected next election? Letting gas goes up to $3 and gov't doing nothing to relieve pain for the average citizen seems like a sure-fire way to lose seats next election. Most people in this province doesn't suddenly have tens of thousands dollars, on top of the already insane cost of living, to upgrade to a brand new EV. Like it or not, supporting the fight against climate change is a luxury for a lot of people.

[mikemhg]

Once again, I am baffled how we can get people to drive across the country to protest getting jabbed in the arm, and yet we are completely pacified to put pressure on our local governments to impose measures to calm down the price of a commodity that affects us all.

We Canadians are a funny bunch.

[Gerbs]

I know this is a car enthusiast site, but why would the provincial government do anything to relieve the pain?

The government is committed to net-zero GHG emissions by 2050. Transportation accounts for almost 40% of GHG emissions in BC. Mass adoption of EVs are going to be the way to get there... particularly as the province needs to keep people employed in the Peace River region by supporting the natural gas industry and a growing LNG export market.

If a global energy crisis is going to convince more regular folks to make the switch to EV, why would the government stand in their way?

That'd suck for those who can't afford EV cars aka families who mainly buy < $10 - 20K beaters on subprime loan.

I wonder if gas hits $3, would that be enough to force a majority of the population off the road and into transit and we'd have less traffic in the long-run?

[AzNightmare]

That'd suck for those who can't afford EV cars aka families who mainly buy < $10 - 20K beaters on subprime loan.

I wonder if gas hits $3, would that be enough to force a majority of the population off the road and into transit and we'd have less traffic in the long-run?

The city will see it as a win/win?

The poor will start using transit.
The rich will switch to EV.
For people that can commute by bike, that's good too.

Green city FTW..

[Gerbs]

The city will see it as a win/win?

The poor will start using transit.
The rich will switch to EV.
For people that can commute by bike, that's good too.

Green city FTW..

I feel bad for the have nots. Imagine being grade 11, all your friends got the new EV car but you gotta take the sweet 49th bus.

[coneZONE]

I wouldn’t mind transit, if they actually had an actual network that got people places, somewhat timely. (Look at any metro in Asia). Bus network from the 50s and rapid transit test route from the 80s doesn’t really cut it if we’re supposed to be a metropolitan

Imo a large number of drivers would quit driving if it wasn’t a necessity to get to places by car

[donk.]

I feel bad for the have nots. Imagine being grade 11, all your friends got the new EV car but you gotta take the sweet 49th bus.

What highschool did you go to.....
I'm from port moody and everyone drove 20 year old civics and rangers worth 2000$, minus the few odd kids rolling around in their daddies 2 year old Audis

Kids today don't even know what a roll up window is

Kids in 10 years won't know what a gasoline car is :considered:

[white rocket]

Nothing like $2.24.9/L for 91 when your 5.7L V8 needs a fill. Sheeeeeesh, that was a tough pill to swallow. Last fill was under $2.00/L a couple weeks ago. Felt like a boss grabbing 87 for $189.9/L yesterday for the Tundra while realizing that if I had of acted a couple days sooner it would have been $1.83.9/L.

I'm all for defending ICE's but this shit is bananas.

[GLOW]

I feel bad for the have nots. Imagine being grade 11, all your friends got the new EV car but you gotta take the sweet 49th bus.

new EV buses or trolley cable powered buses, close enough amirite :fullofwin:

[68style]

The Govt wont do ANYTHING... they're making so much off this DAILY.


There's $0.37/litre provincial tax on gas.

(That's a $0.27 fuel tax and a $0.10 carbon tax)

fuel tax includes MetroVan's 18.5 cent TransLink gas tax, and a 6.75 cent tax for roads and bridges and 1.75 cent tax for province's general revenue.

This is all true, but it's not percentage based... so the province doesn't make MORE money when gas prices are higher... in fact they probably make less because people either drive less, find alternatives or drop their car entirely.

[Great68]

^Exactly. Right now a lot of the road use taxes are incorporated into gas prices. The big concern is that when the majority of people switch to EV's they're going to need to implement some other form of road use tax to recoup this funding.

[MarkyMark]

I'm glad my F150 takes regular but last fill up cost $196.45 lol...

[TypeRNammer]

https://i.postimg.cc/141mCdVD/IMG-20220304-WA0019.jpg

My work colleague just sent this to me

Here comes the pain!

[AzNightmare]

Nothing like $2.24.9/L for 91 when your 5.7L V8 needs a fill. Sheeeeeesh, that was a tough pill to swallow. Last fill was under $2.00/L a couple weeks ago. Felt like a boss grabbing 87 for $189.9/L yesterday for the Tundra while realizing that if I had of acted a couple days sooner it would have been $1.83.9/L.

I'm all for defending ICE's but this shit is bananas.

lol, I topped up from 1/4 tank on Wed night. It was at 1.81.
Gotta buy on the "dip."

Seems like prices went up 10cents per day after that...
:fulloffuck:

[Traum]

Dafuq?! Where is this picture taken at?

https://i.postimg.cc/141mCdVD/IMG-20220304-WA0019.jpg

My work colleague just sent this to me

Here comes the pain!

[SumAznGuy]

Dafuq?! Where is this picture taken at?

Langley Esso on 192 was $2.09.9 around 5 pm today.

[Traum]

^^ That's crazy... :fulloffuck:

Isn't Langley traditionally supposed to be a touch cheaper than CoV?

[teggy604]

It painful but understandable because of whats happening in Russia -Ukraine. Just gotta find alternative means for now.

[68style]

It’s $1.46 cdn for regular in Point Roberts tonight :)

[JDMDreams]

Yes but higher fuel prices = higher prices for everything, delivery, food, Uber. higher prices = more taxes charged on each item. If price of X went from $5 to $10 the gov is charging you taxes on $10 not $5. ??? Profit :rukidding:


This is all true, but it's not percentage based... so the province doesn't make MORE money when gas prices are higher... in fact they probably make less because people either drive less, find alternatives or drop their car entirely.

[sdubfid]

Is there a reason I am missing for having gas prices measured to the tenth of a penny?

[Acura604]

How bad are the Langley and Abby Costco gas lineups now?

[JDMDreams]

^^ will you no longer be Acura604? Time for ev? Nsx? Lol

[pastarocket]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220305/5de5fb9fd147011afa9979f1867bfb74.jpg


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[JDMDreams]

And all Costco's gas stations have line ups unless you go like 30 min before closing after dinner time :okay:

[teggy604]

Anyone know why can't Canada produce our own gas? We depend on other countries too much.

[coneZONE]

Anyone know why can't Canada produce our own gas? We depend on other countries too much.

Oh like how we don’t produce anything of our own and just sell raw products, only to re-import them. Or let all of our companies be bought out by others from other countries like the US

[JDMDreams]

BeKus FrEedOmz, just like how we don't give a shit about our homeless and poor people but we want moar from Ukraine :ahwow: we will gladly support other countries with our tax dollars!! Everyone gets free rocket launchers!

[SumAznGuy]

^^ That's crazy... :fulloffuck:

Isn't Langley traditionally supposed to be a touch cheaper than CoV?

Might just be the station gouging. I came home at 1 am last night and they had $2.12.9 showing on the board.

[supafamous]

Anyone know why can't Canada produce our own gas? We depend on other countries too much.

Costs too much to produce it. Oil sands is much more expensive to extract oil from so unless prices are quite high they are not economical.

[mr00jimbo]

I know this is a car enthusiast site, but why would the provincial government do anything to relieve the pain?

The government is committed to net-zero GHG emissions by 2050. Transportation accounts for almost 40% of GHG emissions in BC. Mass adoption of EVs are going to be the way to get there... particularly as the province needs to keep people employed in the Peace River region by supporting the natural gas industry and a growing LNG export market.

If a global energy crisis is going to convince more regular folks to make the switch to EV, why would the government stand in their way?

We can't switch overnight. The carbon tax on natural gas is going to make heating costs increase, the increased fuel costs will hit groceries, will hit people's savings, etc. This is not going to be good for anybody. And yet Horgan will never get off his ass to help.

If you think the gov has our best interests at heart and the taxes are fair, just remember the carbon tax is subject to GST.

[twitchyzero]

to be fair they looked into it a bit

then did absolutely nothing LUL

[Traum]

Anyone know why can't Canada produce our own gas? We depend on other countries too much.
The long time official reason was -- it was cheaper to send our crude to other places, namely the US, and buy back the refined product than it is to build a refinery and do it ourselves.

In the current climate where oil companies are busy redefining themselves as energy companies instead of petroleum companies, they mostly consider anything petroleum-related to be part of a sunset industry. And with much of the Western world committing to a new ICE sale ban by 2035-ish, they are not wrong. Essentially, there isn't any interest to invest in new refinery capacity.

[Manic!]

Petrocan rack price the price gas stations pay before any taxes in Vancouver is 144.6 https://www.petro-canada.ca/en/business/rack-prices

After adding all taxes gas stationsbarw not making much if anything.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/little-hope-that-record-gas-prices-will-ease-anytime-soon#:~:text=%E2%80%9CRight%20now%2C%20the%20first %20B.C.,cents%20per%20litre%20of%20gasoline.%E2%80 %9D

A couple of years ago we found out some smaller chains and stations where importing a gas from Alberta. They where making a killing. We looked into it and delivery cost was 12.5 cents as litre delivered to our station Nanaimo. The rack price difference was around 40 to 50 cents. Now the difference is around 20 cents. Larger chains where not doing it because the BC government has a limit on how much you could import. I believe the government will be cracking down on this in the next few months.

[JDMDreams]

Pr today $1.139, 92 is $1.439. back to Jerry can life, f the carbon tax

[mikemhg]

It's quite incredible that you can drive 20 minutes and purchase gas for literally a third cheaper than up here.

That's fucking insane, it's about time we stop laying down and simply accepting the bullshit in this province.

[68style]

The part that blows me away, is that as taxpayers we have all been subsidizing the shit out of everyone's electric car purchases... and they're all driving on the same roads as us... but besides subsidizing their purchases, they're also contributing absolutely nothing in taxes towards the roads/road maintenance... which is most of the tax in gasoline.

And they get carpool status on top of it all. I mean talk about a free fuckin ride.

[320icar]

I find it funny that rightwingers can organize people to drive across the damn country and hang out in freezing conditions over vaccinations -- a very divisive issue.

We all fucking need gas and drive cars, gas prices are a unifying subject.

I voted for the NDP and John Horgan, one of his campaign promises was specifically investigate/address the cost of gas in BC. He has yet kept that promise.

I find it interesting that we're so damn passive. Why as British Columbians are we paying more for gas than anywhere else in North America? What is going on here? Why is the populace so apathetic to doing anything about it, and holding their government accountable?

Once again, I am baffled how we can get people to drive across the country to protest getting jabbed in the arm, and yet we are completely pacified to put pressure on our local governments to impose measures to calm down the price of a commodity that affects us all.

We Canadians are a funny bunch.

It's quite incredible that you can drive 20 minutes and purchase gas for literally a third cheaper than up here.

That's fucking insane, it's about time we stop laying down and simply accepting the bullshit in this province.

Not meaning to call you out, but I’m curious. So that’s the 3rd time you’ve brought up us being too passive and not standing up for ourselves. So what have you done? Have you called your local MP, or organized a Facebook gathering of car guys at the local refinery/distribution? Or just complained on RS like the rest of us without any actual action.

[Hehe]

The part that blows me away, is that as taxpayers we have all been subsidizing the shit out of everyone's electric car purchases... and they're all driving on the same roads as us... but besides subsidizing their purchases, they're also contributing absolutely nothing in taxes towards the roads/road maintenance... which is most of the tax in gasoline.

And they get carpool status on top of it all. I mean talk about a free fuckin ride.

You don't get it.

That's EXACTLY the gov't intention. You can have your favorite ICE car all you want. But keep that as your weekend toy car. There's no reason for anyone to continue to commute using ICE cars when it comes to new commute car purchases. The very idea is to make it very costly/inconvenient for people to continue driving ICE cars.

BC has enough power generation capacity through its hydro-electric system that more often than not, we net-export our power generation to US and Alberta. Should they/us have no need for the power generated, they just go to waste.

Gas or petro, otoh, are all mostly imported from elsewhere. This generates very little economic benefit for BC.

So, by keeping the green objective and everything into consideration, it's in BC gov't's best interest to continue to accelerate the transition to EV. We are among the top in North America, but we are barely scratching 10% of all new cars.

[68style]

Oh I get it sir. I very much know what direction things are going in. That said, there's plenty of reasons not to go EV on a daily commuting car including upfront purchase costs... not everyone has a real estate empire like you do and buys $60k+ car whenever they feel like getting something new. Not to mention insurance, what are you paying a year for a Tesla? A lot more than an older used car.

I'm not sure why you think the BC government cares more about greening initiatives than it does about tax collection........................ I'm sure the government will figure out a way to have all EV owners take it up the ass in a big way too... once enough people are converted over :)

Beyond what you're saying, the government doesn't want us to drive AT ALL. Not just getting rid of ICE... they don't wany anyone to even own a car. They want rideshare and pay by use and public transit. They don't want to build road infrastructure and provide parking.

[Hehe]

Oh I get it sir. I very much know what direction things are going in. That said, there's plenty of reasons not to go EV on a daily commuting car including upfront purchase costs... not everyone has a real estate empire like you do and buys $60k+ car whenever they feel like getting something new. Not to mention insurance, what are you paying a year for a Tesla? A lot more than an older used car.

I'm not sure why you think the BC government cares more about greening initiatives than it does about tax collection........................ I'm sure the government will figure out a way to have all EV owners take it up the ass in a big way too... once enough people are converted over :)

Beyond what you're saying, the government doesn't want us to drive AT ALL. Not just getting rid of ICE... they don't wany anyone to even own a car. They want rideshare and pay by use and public transit. They don't want to build road infrastructure and provide parking.

It's irrelevant to one's financial situation. Sure... if you are just barely getting by, and can only afford a $2000 beater, there's little reason for you to get a $60k Tesla. But the truth is, if you have to commute, you might not be far off.

Say you are a regular dude with middle-class income and buy a new vehicle every 8-10 years by financing it for 60/72mths.

I'm not sure if you ran the math... but in my case, I did with a Model 3 SR+, which is not exactly the cheapest EV option out there. The 10yr true cost of ownership by factoring everything into while driving 24,000km every year was not even a close match. By comparing all the way down to a Corolla, at year 4, the Model 3 would come out ahead even its initial cost (price) is higher. That's when gas price was in the $1.3 range. Imagine with a $2 gas.

And when comparing to similar price range vehicles, say a bimmer or something like that, by the end of year 10, the difference would almost be enough for me to buy another brand new Model 3.

People have this misconception that EV is expensive. But the fact is... it's the cheapest car to own and operate. I'm lvl:Asian cheap. I didn't buy a Tesla because I was balling out of control. I bought it because 1. it was the cheapest car to run and 2. it had gov't rebates and 3. it was good for the environment and maybe it's good for my health in long term and lower my medical expenses. Yes... I'm that cheap.

The only people I still wouldn't recommend an EV to are those who often need to do long trips (as in 500km+) in remote areas where access to charging is very limited if not impossible. For city commute, the Model 3 is perfect. Yes, it doesn't have the best material and finish and whatever. But it gets you from A to B incredibly cheaply and the ride is super smooth. In the rare occasion you need to venture outside of city, the Tesla SC network got you covered.

[68style]

That’s only one reason i mentioned… but you do realize that a majority of the population is in debt and can’t get approved for financing though right? Your fiscal analysis is already in the electric car thread and I can definitely appreciate it for what it is — a through examination of numbers extrapolated over a long period of time showing a benefit purely from that perspective.

There’s also charging situations. I live in a 12 year old condo building and there’s no way to charge an electric car here. No plugs anywhere and no infrastructure for it… and the building is not even very old. I’d have to be going out to sit at a charger every few days. A large swath of the population would have the same issue.

I'm not sure how the environmental beliefs pan out, I don't gather that most of your business or flying around is all that environmentally friendly tbh... so... blah. Everyone is going to be different that way.

I don’t even personally commute to work by car anymore, I walk and take the train when I do have to go in… but besides costs this is a car enthusiast forum? I know enthusiasm comes in many forms, but quite a few people don’t want to drive to work in something just because it’s cheap to operate. Personally I find driving EV’s boring as fuck, I do realize I might be in a minority in the general population but whirring around with no engine sounds and no gears to change makes me feel like a eunuch and is not how I’d want to spend my time just because it’s “cheap” so there’s that factor as well. Again I don’t expect I’m on the majority but I’m definitely not alone.. If I did commute, I’d never do it that way if I had a choice… why spend most of my driving time any given day miserable and bored out of my mind?

I guess we’re just ignoring the other point that ending car ownership completely is actually the governments end goal.

[Acura604]

SCENARIO... .(and i think most of you guys are thinking this)

you have a fairly new car, low mileage can fetch a good trade in (especially in this market)...and its 100% paid for but sucks back premium gas.

would you just hang onto it and 'weather' this storm or say f it - get rid of it for an EV.

FACT is - we've hit this new $2 threshold and reality is - it ain't gonna go down significantly for potentially the foreseeable future.
you can reduce driving and maybe try to aim for a $150-$200 fillup every 2 weeks estimating $400 in fuel costs per month. maybe reduce that by around 25% by doing USA runs bundled with jerry cans.

the real question is...at what point does the return on going EV start benefiting you financially in the above scenario.?

[68style]

If I had to drive to work more than 20km I would definitely consider an EV despite my dislike. I might work a bit harder to find one that suited me, definitely wouldn’t be a Tesla and the others are too far behind on their tech so it’s a waiting game if I’m diving in.

Mostly I’m not concerned with running costs though if I like my car. Pay to play.

[donk.]

Alberta has entered the chat and does not approve of you EV drivers

Let's keep that oil patch running boys!

[EvoFire]

SCENARIO... .(and i think most of you guys are thinking this)

you have a fairly new car, low mileage can fetch a good trade in (especially in this market)...and its 100% paid for but sucks back premium gas.

would you just hang onto it and 'weather' this storm or say f it - get rid of it for an EV.

FACT is - we've hit this new $2 threshold and reality is - it ain't gonna go down significantly for potentially the foreseeable future.
you can reduce driving and maybe try to aim for a $150-$200 fillup every 2 weeks estimating $400 in fuel costs per month. maybe reduce that by around 25% by doing USA runs bundled with jerry cans.

the real question is...at what point does the return on going EV start benefiting you financially in the above scenario.?

Already having this chat with my wife, actually this morning. We don't drive much, but even then 2 tanks for gas for the X3 per month is about $250 a month. More if we make farther trips. We own the car outright and want something slightly bigger so the X5 PHEV is actually something we are considering if we can get a decent trade in. If we can go from 2 tanks of gas a month to about 1/2 tank that already saves us close to $200 for payments and we get an upgrade.

[68style]

I'll play the math game a bit though, it was brought up that anything but a shitbox for $2k is a bad deal compared to an EV (we will say Tesla 3 so there's some point of comparison).

I haven't commuted driving to work for 4 years now, but when I did I went Richmond to Surrey every day and the car I drove by choice was a 2004 Lexus IS300 that I bought with 134,000kms on it for $7500. The IS300 inline-6 is notoriously bad on gas compared to most cars, it's not that fast, but what can I say... I just like how the car feels. City/Hwy is 16/23mpg on that car, probably 70% of the trip is highway so we will say 20mpg or 11.8L/100km for sake of argument.

The trip from my house to my former workplace is 29.5km each way. 60km a day. A pretty decent commute, not too crazy but definitely not a short one either. So in theory I was using 7L of fuel per day. Obviously gas was cheaper back then, but today it's $2/L so $14 per work trip. Yes the IS300 says you're supposed to use premium, but I haven't for the 8 years I've owned it and it's never been an issue. I was on a flex schedule of sorts, so working 9 day fortnights... 18 days a month on average at the office, that's a monthly fuel commuting cost of $252 at today's fuel rate. Annual cost is $3024.

Maintenance has been almost non-existent. I bought the car with the timing belt/water pump already done and new brakes. Tires were about 30% worn. Looking through my records, I've done oil changes every 5,000kms at a cost of $75 per oil change (i6 engine has a big oilpan, needs 5.4L of oil). I am just about to do the brakes for the first time at 208,000kms now at a cost of $283.20USD for new power slot discs/pads all around from RockAuto ($363 at today's exchange rate) and I will be doing the brakes myself, so there's no mechanic charge for that. I bought a new set of Barum tires in Bellingham, we don't get them in Canada but they're Czech made and pass all Euro standards which are higher than NA. I've found them to be very good, a bit noisier than Continentals that it replaced. They cost (at the time -- they've gone up to $95 now) $65USD per 215/45/17 tire for a total of $260 USD which I luckily didn't get taxed on at the border, but that's $333 after conversion.

I've had zero other maintenance on this vehicle. Assuming I was always using it for commuting (I only did half the time I've owned it) I was commuting ~13,000km per year which, being generous, is 3 oil changes for $225 per year on top of fuel of $3024. My brakes took almost 70,000kms to wear out at a cost of $363 so divided by annual mileage that's an annual average cost of $67.50 per year. I'm not going to include tires because EV's use tires too.

So my car was costing $3316.50 a year to run not including insurance (about $1800 for sake of argument for full coverage, it's since dropped down to $1400 with all the ICBC changes).

I'm unsure what government rebates are currently available on Tesla's, but I don't know that there are any on the current priced SR since it's $68990 now and beyond the cost threshold I believe. $68990 plus taxes is a bit over $77000 and there's a bit extra on top because it's past the new luxury tax threshold as well, but I won't include it because I'm lazy. At a purchase price of $7500 + taxes ($8400 all in) and annual running costs of $3316.50, it would take me 20 years of driving my Lexus to reach just the initial purchase price of a Tesla Model 3 SR. This is not even accounting for the fact it does cost money to run a Tesla as well nor does it factor in financing costs which are not insignificant -- you'd be buying it outright in this scenario.

Be super super generous and throw in a timing belt/water pump job and a couple oil leaks repaired here and there, some random coolant/transmission fluid changes, $6000 worth of stuff let's say, shit happens, it's still going to take 18 years to reach the initial purchase price.

So............. yah... not exactly just a "anything but a $2k beater costs more to own" end result.

[Great68]

I'm stuck in this position where while we want to replace the MS3 with a new full EV car, and keep the F150 for truck duties.
But because either of us don't commute to work by car anymore, shelling out $50k+ for a palatable EV that we would only drive a few thousand kilometers per year would take decades to pay itself back even at the insane gas prices right now.

[Acura604]

I'm stuck in this position where while we want to replace the MS3 with a new full EV car, and keep the F150 for truck duties.
But because either of us don't commute to work by car anymore, shelling out $50k+ for a palatable EV that we would only drive a few thousand kilometers per year would take decades to pay itself back even at the insane gas prices right now.

exactly my 'dilemna' if you want to call it that.

work from home 100% now - short trips here and there with the 2021 RDX is a given...i gotta eat. but if i hunker down, i can probably stretch out a full tank for 2 weeks....65L tank, premium gas...easily $120-$140 per fill.
The RDX can run on regular 89 but with sluggish power delivery -no thanks.

BUT - no car payments and maintenance is NIL except for oil changes twice a year.

Once the feds eliminate the need to get tested going back into Canada from blaine then yup, i'm switching to USA gas with 4 jerries per trip.


back in the good ol' days precovid with a 2018 RDX
https://i.imgur.com/SzMJvYd.jpg

[Great68]

Sorry, I had to LOL at stretch out a tank to 2 weeks. I think I last filled my MS3 in late January and I'm still at about 1/3 tank. And that's with a couple of unnecessary "Sunny day drive to nowhere" drives. :P At least your RDX is practically new.

[Acura604]

Sorry, I had to LOL at stretch out a tank to 2 weeks. I think I last filled my MS3 in late January and I'm still at about 1/3 tank. And that's with a couple of unnecessary "Sunny day drive to nowhere" drives. :P At least your RDX is practically new.

BUT u have 2 vehicles - i have 1. the RDX is the daily for all things. you have the option of driving 1 or the other and stretching out both tanks.

[Great68]

Oh yeah, no that is just with using the Mazda for all the non-work commute related things.

The majority of things I do need to drive to are within a 10km radius from my house :p

[Euro7r]

Find it stupid those that switch to EV, so they don't have to pay for gas. Yet they likely won't even keep the EV long enough to actually gain from it versus driving gasoline and paying gas. It's one thing your driving like 25,000km a year and keeping the car for the long-haul, but most city average user won't see the cost savings. Spend more to get EV to not pay for gas??!!!.

[Eff-1]

exactly my 'dilemna' if you want to call it that.

work from home 100% now - short trips here and there with the 2021 RDX is a given...i gotta eat. but if i hunker down, i can probably stretch out a full tank for 2 weeks....65L tank, premium gas...easily $120-$140 per fill.
The RDX can run on regular 89 but with sluggish power delivery -no thanks.

BUT - no car payments and maintenance is NIL except for oil changes twice a year.

Once the feds eliminate the need to get tested going back into Canada from blaine then yup, i'm switching to USA gas with 4 jerries per trip.


back in the good ol' days precovid with a 2018 RDX
https://i.imgur.com/SzMJvYd.jpg

How is this even a dilemma? You have a new luxury vehicle, no payments, low maintenance costs, lots of warranty left, and are only filling up every 2 weeks. And live close to the border, to boot.

Or are you really just looking for someone to convince you to get an EV because you want to look cooler?

[Acura604]

How is this even a dilemma? You have a new luxury vehicle, no payments, low maintenance costs, lots of warranty left, and are only filling up every 2 weeks. And live close to the border, to boot.

Or are you really just looking for someone to convince you to get an EV because you want to look cooler?

EVs aren't really cool considering 1 out of every 10 vehicles in the city are TESLA 3s.

I just want to hold out until there's more variety in EVs - current crop are either over priced or not that exciting. heck, i wouldnt' even mind a good HYBRID but the damn RAV4 PRIME is a 2yr wait list.

BUT how long is this market going to hold - meaning, right now...TOP DOLLAR for your car however new or old it is.

[JDMDreams]

^^ let's say I'll be conservative and say you fill 60l of regular every 2 weeks. That's already 60l X $2.099 = $125.94 every 2 weeks, x2 = $251.88 a month. Depending on what EV you get that's like almost 40-50% of your payment already.

This is assuming gas prices don't keep going up. I doubt gas prices will plummet tomorrow if Russia stops today. With all the sanctions, o too bad guys there's a storm or the refinery needs maintenance.

Alberta should build their own refinery. That will make them rich. And not rely on Americans.

[EvoFire]

I'll play the math game a bit though, it was brought up that anything but a shitbox for $2k is a bad deal compared to an EV (we will say Tesla 3 so there's some point of comparison).

I haven't commuted driving to work for 4 years now, but when I did I went Richmond to Surrey every day and the car I drove by choice was a 2004 Lexus IS300 that I bought with 134,000kms on it for $7500. The IS300 inline-6 is notoriously bad on gas compared to most cars, it's not that fast, but what can I say... I just like how the car feels. City/Hwy is 16/23mpg on that car, probably 70% of the trip is highway so we will say 20mpg or 11.8L/100km for sake of argument.

The trip from my house to my former workplace is 29.5km each way. 60km a day. A pretty decent commute, not too crazy but definitely not a short one either. So in theory I was using 7L of fuel per day. Obviously gas was cheaper back then, but today it's $2/L so $14 per work trip. Yes the IS300 says you're supposed to use premium, but I haven't for the 8 years I've owned it and it's never been an issue. I was on a flex schedule of sorts, so working 9 day fortnights... 18 days a month on average at the office, that's a monthly fuel commuting cost of $252 at today's fuel rate. Annual cost is $3024.

Maintenance has been almost non-existent. I bought the car with the timing belt/water pump already done and new brakes. Tires were about 30% worn. Looking through my records, I've done oil changes every 5,000kms at a cost of $75 per oil change (i6 engine has a big oilpan, needs 5.4L of oil). I am just about to do the brakes for the first time at 208,000kms now at a cost of $283.20USD for new power slot discs/pads all around from RockAuto ($363 at today's exchange rate) and I will be doing the brakes myself, so there's no mechanic charge for that. I bought a new set of Barum tires in Bellingham, we don't get them in Canada but they're Czech made and pass all Euro standards which are higher than NA. I've found them to be very good, a bit noisier than Continentals that it replaced. They cost (at the time -- they've gone up to $95 now) $65USD per 215/45/17 tire for a total of $260 USD which I luckily didn't get taxed on at the border, but that's $333 after conversion.

I've had zero other maintenance on this vehicle. Assuming I was always using it for commuting (I only did half the time I've owned it) I was commuting ~13,000km per year which, being generous, is 3 oil changes for $225 per year on top of fuel of $3024. My brakes took almost 70,000kms to wear out at a cost of $363 so divided by annual mileage that's an annual average cost of $67.50 per year. I'm not going to include tires because EV's use tires too.

So my car was costing $3316.50 a year to run not including insurance (about $1800 for sake of argument for full coverage, it's since dropped down to $1400 with all the ICBC changes).

I'm unsure what government rebates are currently available on Tesla's, but I don't know that there are any on the current priced SR since it's $68990 now and beyond the cost threshold I believe. $68990 plus taxes is a bit over $77000 and there's a bit extra on top because it's past the new luxury tax threshold as well, but I won't include it because I'm lazy. At a purchase price of $7500 + taxes ($8400 all in) and annual running costs of $3316.50, it would take me 20 years of driving my Lexus to reach just the initial purchase price of a Tesla Model 3 SR. This is not even accounting for the fact it does cost money to run a Tesla as well nor does it factor in financing costs which are not insignificant -- you'd be buying it outright in this scenario.

Be super super generous and throw in a timing belt/water pump job and a couple oil leaks repaired here and there, some random coolant/transmission fluid changes, $6000 worth of stuff let's say, shit happens, it's still going to take 18 years to reach the initial purchase price.

So............. yah... not exactly just a "anything but a $2k beater costs more to own" end result.

I'm stuck in this position where while we want to replace the MS3 with a new full EV car, and keep the F150 for truck duties.
But because either of us don't commute to work by car anymore, shelling out $50k+ for a palatable EV that we would only drive a few thousand kilometers per year would take decades to pay itself back even at the insane gas prices right now.

exactly my 'dilemna' if you want to call it that.

work from home 100% now - short trips here and there with the 2021 RDX is a given...i gotta eat. but if i hunker down, i can probably stretch out a full tank for 2 weeks....65L tank, premium gas...easily $120-$140 per fill.
The RDX can run on regular 89 but with sluggish power delivery -no thanks.

BUT - no car payments and maintenance is NIL except for oil changes twice a year.

Once the feds eliminate the need to get tested going back into Canada from blaine then yup, i'm switching to USA gas with 4 jerries per trip.


back in the good ol' days precovid with a 2018 RDX
https://i.imgur.com/SzMJvYd.jpg

Find it stupid those that switch to EV, so they don't have to pay for gas. Yet they likely won't even keep the EV long enough to actually gain from it versus driving gasoline and paying gas. It's one thing your driving like 25,000km a year and keeping the car for the long-haul, but most city average user won't see the cost savings. Spend more to get EV to not pay for gas??!!!.

Based on all these observations and my own situation, it really only makes sense if you own a newer car, have significant equity in it, at the same time not take a bath on trade in, and drive enough to make sense. With the asterisk that you have your own garage and can charge it.

It's not "let's swap hurdur don't need to get gas". A few posts up I was saying we are considering a swap, but it would also mean we are taking on at least $40k extra on costs after trade. $40k is $800/m for 5 years. I still need to put out $600 a month. Is $600 worth it considering we are upgrading in size and luxury? Getting an EV is roughly the same cost for a smaller car.

[fsy82]

My wife and I were seriously considering getting a Hybrid and i went to the BMW dealer to look at the X3 hybrid. Nice car and all but the total cost with all taxes came out to $101,000. Mind you we like our current Q7 and would like something comparable. We walked out and figured we'd rather wait for more variety in the Hybrid/EV scene and that were not ready to make monthly 1,000 car payments. Our current vehicles have no debt on them so another $50 for fill-up won't hurt that much

[320icar]

So I’m daily driving the STi right now. 65L tank gets me about 425km. Daily total commute is 30km.

So if you do the math, I can technically make it 2 weeks between fill ups as long as I’m not doing any further drives. It needs 94 so say ~$275/mo if premium is $2.25/L. :(

[320icar]

X3 hybrid. Nice car and all but the total cost with all taxes came out to $101,000.

LLLOOOOOLLLLL holy fuck over $100,000 for an x3 you’d have to be fucking menta

[Traum]

I'm in exactly the same boat, having run a similar cost of ownership / break even point comparison. With my pos but generally bulletproof Japanese shxtbox, the amount of driving I do means my break even point is somewhere between 15 - 20 years, depending on how I fudge the estimates. With current gas prices, I guess the timeline could shift maybe 5 years earlier?

So until EVs become significantly cheaper to buy, I don't really see myself getting into one.
I'll play the math game a bit though, it was brought up that anything but a shitbox for $2k is a bad deal compared to an EV (we will say Tesla 3 so there's some point of comparison).

...

I'm unsure what government rebates are currently available on Tesla's, but I don't know that there are any on the current priced SR since it's $68990 now and beyond the cost threshold I believe. $68990 plus taxes is a bit over $77000 and there's a bit extra on top because it's past the new luxury tax threshold as well, but I won't include it because I'm lazy. At a purchase price of $7500 + taxes ($8400 all in) and annual running costs of $3316.50, it would take me 20 years of driving my Lexus to reach just the initial purchase price of a Tesla Model 3 SR. This is not even accounting for the fact it does cost money to run a Tesla as well nor does it factor in financing costs which are not insignificant -- you'd be buying it outright in this scenario.

[fsy82]

LLLOOOOOLLLLL holy fuck over $100,000 for an x3 you’d have to be fucking menta

Yeah its pretty nuts..

[mikemhg]

Not meaning to call you out, but I’m curious. So that’s the 3rd time you’ve brought up us being too passive and not standing up for ourselves. So what have you done? Have you called your local MP, or organized a Facebook gathering of car guys at the local refinery/distribution? Or just complained on RS like the rest of us without any actual action.

Funnily enough my brother actually works within the hierarchy of the Values and Ethics Code for the Public Sector in Ottawa. So as a policy wonk, much of my discussion on this very subject has been with him.

In terms of local MP, no. Such pressure takes more than one singular person, me writing my local MP will not change current course, not a chance.

You're totally right though, instead of being a keyboard warrior, I should put my money where my mouth is, somehow writing a letter to Terry Beech doesn't seem like it would elicit much of anything.

Do you have any suggestions?

[JDMDreams]

I mean you can get older ones for $10 to $20K used leafs, volts?

[GLOW]

wouldn't the fear be how readily available batteries for those vehicles are, and if they are, for how long? or are they plug 'n play friendly with existing cars on the market?

[nabs]

I am so glad my WFH is permanent. I can't imagine paying so much in gas and then parking. I feel bad for everyone who has to do this, for a lot it is definitely the difference between food or fuel.

[TypeRNammer]

LLLOOOOOLLLLL holy fuck over $100,000 for an x3 you’d have to be fucking menta

Try a fully loaded Lexus NX450h+

North of 90 grand after taxes :drunk:

[Euro7r]

I am so glad my WFH is permanent. I can't imagine paying so much in gas and then parking. I feel bad for everyone who has to do this, for a lot it is definitely the difference between food or fuel.

Same here glad I'm perm WFH, it's also made me look at life at a different perspective, and not even look for a higher paying job at this point. I did the math, even if I got a new job that offered me $10,000 more but having to commute to office, my net overall gain is minimal that its not even worth switching. Mind you a $10,000 pay increase is quite substantial; however, once you factor in insurance, gas, etc, that $10,000 pay increase isn't much.

$10,000 gross. $7,000 net taxes, less your car expenses say $4,000 a year. Your really only up $3,000.

[Acura604]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-pausing-provincial-fuel-tax-collection-1.6375882

The Alberta government will help hard-hit consumers by pausing the collection of its 13-cent per litre provincial fuel tax on April 1, Premier Jason Kenney said Monday.

"This massive tax relief is a response to skyrocketing costs at the pump and is going to provide Albertans with the relief that they need when the cost of everything is going up," Kenney told a news conference.

"Albertans told us they needed relief from rising costs. We've heard them loud and clear. And that's why today we are taking this bold action to soften the blow of inflation, especially on the cost of energy."

The pause in tax collection will apply to gasoline and diesel fuel. The change also will apply to the four-cent per litre provincial fuel tax on marked gasoline and marked diesel.

The pause will remain in effect as long as the benchmark price for West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil remains above $90 US per barrel, Kenney said. Collection of the provincial fuel tax would resume when WTI prices fall below $80 US, he said.

[EvoFire]

My wife and I were seriously considering getting a Hybrid and i went to the BMW dealer to look at the X3 hybrid. Nice car and all but the total cost with all taxes came out to $101,000. Mind you we like our current Q7 and would like something comparable. We walked out and figured we'd rather wait for more variety in the Hybrid/EV scene and that were not ready to make monthly 1,000 car payments. Our current vehicles have no debt on them so another $50 for fill-up won't hurt that much

How'd you manage 100k? A X5 phev with some options is around that ballpark (93k + shipping + tax). I think I can get a X5 out the door for roughly 100k.

Same here glad I'm perm WFH, it's also made me look at life at a different perspective, and not even look for a higher paying job at this point. I did the math, even if I got a new job that offered me $10,000 more but having to commute to office, my net overall gain is minimal that its not even worth switching. Mind you a $10,000 pay increase is quite substantial; however, once you factor in insurance, gas, etc, that $10,000 pay increase isn't much.

$10,000 gross. $7,000 net taxes, less your car expenses say $4,000 a year. Your really only up $3,000.

10k gross is not that much money after taxes. It's not really enough to get me to make a move as I gain roughly $500 a month after taxes. It's not nothing but if I am happy with a current job, it'll take more than that to entice me for a move, plus if it means I lose WFH, that's an extra bit more to cover my time loss commuting and transportation costs.

[teggy604]

I mean you can get older ones for $10 to $20K used leafs, volts?

My buddy got a used leaf from a family friend. First generation and the battery is shot already. He gets roughly 50kms per charge. I rather spend money on a used corolla or civic than a used electric vehicle.

[Gumby]

What about my situation, with 3 cars (all paid off):
1) 2019 ICE weekend car (keep)
2) 2005 Honda Pilot, wife uses this to haul the kids around and run errands. Maybe ~$400 gas/month?
3) 2000 Honda Civic, I drive this to work <15km each way, 3 days a week

Is it time to replace the SUV with something similar, but EV? I have a 2-car garage.

[supafamous]

https://twitter.com/thewilderthings/status/1500960088533700610?s=21

Guys, Shaq has the solution to your gas bill problem.

[supafamous]

I'm in exactly the same boat, having run a similar cost of ownership / break even point comparison. With my pos but generally bulletproof Japanese shxtbox, the amount of driving I do means my break even point is somewhere between 15 - 20 years, depending on how I fudge the estimates. With current gas prices, I guess the timeline could shift maybe 5 years earlier?

So until EVs become significantly cheaper to buy, I don't really see myself getting into one.

Now that I'm a 10 min walk to my kid's daycare we drive about 600km/mo so while I'd love to go EV (for a whole bunch of reasons) I can't justify it financially. Sure, I can sell my RDX for close-ish to what I paid but it'd take me years to break even on a EV6/Ioniq5 ($63k all in for a loaded on versus selling my RDX for about $45k).

[twitchyzero]

What about my situation, with 3 cars (all paid off):
1) 2019 ICE weekend car (keep)
2) 2005 Honda Pilot, wife uses this to haul the kids around and run errands. Maybe ~$400 gas/month?
3) 2000 Honda Civic, I drive this to work <15km each way, 3 days a week

Is it time to replace the SUV with something similar, but EV? I have a 2-car garage.

how much to insure the civic? sell the civic then bike to work/drive there 6 times a month per pleasure rate class

[Kilinim]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-pausing-provincial-fuel-tax-collection-1.6375882

The Alberta government will help hard-hit consumers by pausing the collection of its 13-cent per litre provincial fuel tax on April 1, Premier Jason Kenney said Monday.

"This massive tax relief is a response to skyrocketing costs at the pump and is going to provide Albertans with the relief that they need when the cost of everything is going up," Kenney told a news conference.

"Albertans told us they needed relief from rising costs. We've heard them loud and clear. And that's why today we are taking this bold action to soften the blow of inflation, especially on the cost of energy."

The pause in tax collection will apply to gasoline and diesel fuel. The change also will apply to the four-cent per litre provincial fuel tax on marked gasoline and marked diesel.

The pause will remain in effect as long as the benchmark price for West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil remains above $90 US per barrel, Kenney said. Collection of the provincial fuel tax would resume when WTI prices fall below $80 US, he said.

When does BC follow suit...

[Manic!]

Average price for gas is Alberta is 158.9. lets see what the price is after the 1st.

[68style]

Kenney will literally do anything to get votes right now. Like, I have no doubt he’d eat a cock if it meant re-election for him.

[320icar]

When does BC follow suit...

Already said on the news that BC has no intention of removing the fuel surcharges

[320icar]

Just dipped down to point roberts shell for that 92 octane. Filled my car (65L tank) and 2 20L jerry cans for a hair under $150usd. Once you do the conversion for the total of 96L it was about $2.00/L. The shell in Ladner is $2.399/L so in total I saved $30 or something. Better than nothing I suppose…

[JDMDreams]

^^ shell and Chevron has always been more $$ I'm poor so I only get 92 from USA gasoline or speed way express. (Old mobile before they rebranded) FeelsBadMan

[Hondaracer]

When I’ve got to start lugging Jerry cans around in my trunk is when I say I can no longer afford to drive.. lol

Wife and I are down to 1 vehicle albeit gas guzzling G37. She only drives about 8 minutes from EV to downtown for work but I’d prefer her to drive and pay for parking than take the bus. She’s now kinda figured tgough if she can find an Evo car it’s actually far cheaper to dump an Evo off downtown then drive our own vehicle. So yea the war on vehicles as a whole is coming fast and furious

[pastarocket]

Point Roberts' gas stations are gonna have even more business with more BC residents filling up gas there.

No PCR test needed to go to P.R. to fill up gas and return home. -just need to have your Arrive Can app ready for CBSA officers. Sweet!

Global News had a news segment yesterday about more BC residents filling up gas at the stations in Point Roberts.

The reporter mentioned that people pay on average about $1.55 CAD per litre at Point Roberts stations.

When the reporter on Global News asked a lady filling up gas on her Ford Expedition about how much money she was saving, she said that she saves about 89 bucks per fill up at Point Roberts.

One of the staff at that Point Roberts gas station said that she noticed more BC residents for the past three weeks filling up gas at her station.

[68style]

You can still get randomly selected for a take-home antigen test which is not the most fun thing in the world to set up and complete.

[twitchyzero]

what a massive joke to still have random testing at boundary bay

[unit]

exactly my 'dilemna' if you want to call it that.

work from home 100% now - short trips here and there with the 2021 RDX is a given...i gotta eat. but if i hunker down, i can probably stretch out a full tank for 2 weeks....65L tank, premium gas...easily $120-$140 per fill.
The RDX can run on regular 89 but with sluggish power delivery -no thanks.

BUT - no car payments and maintenance is NIL except for oil changes twice a year.

Once the feds eliminate the need to get tested going back into Canada from blaine then yup, i'm switching to USA gas with 4 jerries per trip.


back in the good ol' days precovid with a 2018 RDX
https://i.imgur.com/SzMJvYd.jpg

ahh, nothing like smelling gasoline fumes for an entire week to save an extra $25.

[twitchyzero]

use quality cans

[Traum]

With the US banning Russian oil now, I am totally expecting $3/L for the 93 / 94 stuff. FailFish

I have my lube ready for that a$$ raping! FailFish

[mikemhg]

Kenney will literally do anything to get votes right now. Like, I have no doubt he’d eat a cock if it meant re-election for him.

This made me laugh :lol

[AzNightmare]

what a massive joke to still have random testing at boundary bay

What do you mean by random testing? I thought they aren't doing tests there.
I'm out of the loop..

[twitchyzero]

you dont need to test coming home

but they can 'randomly' select you for one to take home

[donk.]

With the US banning Russian oil now, I am totally expecting $3/L for the 93 / 94 stuff. FailFish

I have my lube ready for that a$$ raping! FailFish

My work truck and my personal car both take premium :fuckthatshit:

[danned]

Trump in 2020: 'If Biden' Becomes President, You'll Pay $7 For a Gallon of Gas

[CharlesInCharge]

I basically only drive to buy groceries... it'll be nice when Russia cuts off energy sales to Europe in retaliation and people have to ride bikes to get around Vancouver... there will be nice clear roads after robot citizenry are carbon neutered.
https://i.imgur.com/BspahsX.jpg

[snowfarmer]

These gas prices are courtesy of a recovering global economy and Putin's megalomania not the current US President.

All we have to deal with is more expensive fuel for our cars. Our families aren't being killed by Russian missiles and artillery. If more expensive gas is what it takes to rid the world of Putin, I'll pay that price.

Trump in 2020: 'If Biden' Becomes President, You'll Pay $7 For a Gallon of Gas

[teggy604]

Summer around the corner. Already riding my E scooter to work, and grocery runs. Also hoping to join some group rides this summer. It will be fun.

[MarkyMark]

Hoping this at least makes traffic a bit more tolerable as people get priced out lol, fat chance in this city.

[JDMDreams]

^^ I think it might, Uber pizza boys and taxi buddy guys are already complaining about it on the news.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/gas-price-gig-workers-cabbies-1.6378029

[fsy82]

How'd you manage 100k? A X5 phev with some options is around that ballpark (93k + shipping + tax). I think I can get a X5 out the door for roughly 100k.



10k gross is not that much money after taxes. It's not really enough to get me to make a move as I gain roughly $500 a month after taxes. It's not nothing but if I am happy with a current job, it'll take more than that to entice me for a move, plus if it means I lose WFH, that's an extra bit more to cover my time loss commuting and transportation costs.

When you add in the 15% tax plus the extended warranty it comes to $101,000. Base is like 79K

[GLOW]

there will be nice clear roads after robot citizenry are carbon neutered.
https://i.imgur.com/BspahsX.jpg

inb4 critical mass bicycle protests starts up again to take over the streets :badpokerface:

[Acura604]

of course we will be the last to see it.



Jon Cooper
@joncoopertweets
·
19h
BREAKING: After strong lobbying by the Biden administration, the UAE says it wants to increase oil production and will encourage OPEC to ramp up supply. That sent global oil prices dropping like a rock Wednesday, with U.S. oil prices falling 12 percent.

[trollface]

Your news is a little old friend.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Rises-As-UAE-Backtracks-On-OPEC-Output-Boost-Statement.html

They already backtracked on that btw.

[Acura604]

Your news is a little old friend.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Rises-As-UAE-Backtracks-On-OPEC-Output-Boost-Statement.html

They already backtracked on that btw.



DAMN...then we truly are headed towards this scenario:



https://www.traveller.com.au/content/dam/images/h/1/r/1/b/a/image.gallery.galleryLandscape.620x414.h1r1cd.png/1601377544284.jpg

[trollface]

I'm starting a roaming gang. I'm looking for people who:

- Have harpoon skills
- Enjoyer of rare fish
- Good at witnessing things
- Shiny silver teeth
- Cars with no doors

[Eff-1]

I'm starting a roaming gang. I'm looking for people who:

- Have harpoon skills
- Enjoyer of rare fish
- Good at witnessing things
- Shiny silver teeth
- Cars with no doors

I don't know. Can you swing a sack of doorknobs?

[SumAznGuy]

I don't know. Can you swing a sack of doorknobs?

Know I know what you look like.

https://y.yarn.co/c518d9a7-184a-48e7-ae12-2be56ed819c3_text.gif

[Eff-1]

ok but you gotta supply your own knobs.

LOL

[Acura604]

yikes..cutting it kinda close... considering its a 65L tank....

COSTCO PREMIUM $2.04/L Langley 03/11/2022

REG $1.93/L


https://i.imgur.com/MGkP6sj.jpg


*rumors of a decent drop in price this weekend however --

[320icar]

So how long did you sit in a line up to get that Costco mid grade

[whitev70r]

Run on gas stations this weekend as price drops to $1.99/l

[asian_XL]

it is nearly $3/L in Hong Kong (after discount)

https://oil-price.consumer.org.hk/en

:fullofwin:

[Acura604]

So how long did you sit in a line up to get that Costco mid grade

wasn't bad in the AM - got there about 9:45ish... i'd say i waited around 8 to 10mins. Costco 91 seems to work well with the Acura.

[twitchyzero]

https://i.imgur.com/NAC088a.jpg

paid $40 to save $5
s-m-r-t

[radeonboy]

For those getting gas at Point Roberts, be sure to double check the machine for card skimmers. One of my friends believes his card got skimmed at a gas station there on Friday - he got a bunch of random charges to his card over the weekend.

He said he uses that card only at a few large US vendors, so it's very unlikely the card was compromised through those channels.

[Traum]

Any idea which gas station it is?

I would guess that most people here go to CanAM, Shell, or Chevron. As long as it isn't one of those 3, I guess we should be safer?

[radeonboy]

Any idea which gas station it is?

I would guess that most people here go to CanAM, Shell, or Chevron. As long as it isn't one of those 3, I guess we should be safer?

He said it was at Chevron, but given the proximity to each other I’m going to assume all of them are at equal risk.

[GLOW]

i wonder how can one install a card skimmer, i guess even if there's security cam, someone would have to check if there's an issue first before looking at someone walking up after hours messing with the machines

[68style]

If it's the Can-Am, it's open 24 hours and not manned after a certain time... it would be quite easy to do.

That said I feel like where the card goes in on their machines is quite easy to see if there's a skimmer.

[TOS'd]

You guys should use the apps to pay. Links your rewards card (PCO, Air Miles, etc.), retain digital copy of the receipt. I've only tested Shell and Esso's apps, but assume Chevron probably has the same/similar.

All you have to do is pull up to a pump, input pump number on app and start filling.

[BIC_BAWS]

Does it work in the US? My phone doesn't let me download the US Shell app - geographically limited or smt. Android things I guess.

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[TOS'd]

Does it work in the US? My phone doesn't let me download the US Shell app - geographically limited or smt. Android things I guess.

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

The Android store app is called "Shell Canada & US". Haven't tested it in the US yet, but the Shell Canada website shows the 423 TYEE DRIVE, POINT ROBERTS location has Shell EasyPay so I would think it works.

Note most locations support the app/EasyPay however I've done pitstops in towns in the middle of nowhere which don't have the feature.

[Hehe]

For those getting gas at Point Roberts, be sure to double check the machine for card skimmers. One of my friends believes his card got skimmed at a gas station there on Friday - he got a bunch of random charges to his card over the weekend.

He said he uses that card only at a few large US vendors, so it's very unlikely the card was compromised through those channels.

A buddy of mine working in a security firm told me a while back that you should either request a card without magnetic stripes (yes, they exist now) or put foil tape on the stripe if you have those. There are literally more places that take chip/taps nowadays that having the magnetic stripe is just a security vulnerability waiting to be exploited.

[Kilinim]

For those getting gas at Point Roberts, be sure to double check the machine for card skimmers. One of my friends believes his card got skimmed at a gas station there on Friday - he got a bunch of random charges to his card over the weekend.

He said he uses that card only at a few large US vendors, so it's very unlikely the card was compromised through those channels.

Had this happen to me at the small gas station by the grocery store in PR. Only used my card for gas once and found 5k in charges when I went to pay the bill.

[Acura604]

...so what's he gonna announce? break on gas tax? 10% off translink fares? lol

https://globalnews.ca/news/8690280/amid-soaring-pump-price-british-columbia-set-to-announce-gas-pump-relief-next-week/

The B.C. government is expected to announce a plan to support drivers next week, after weeks of soaring gas prices.

In an extensive interview with Global BC, Premier John Horgan said the province has taken its time to assess the gas price situation before unveiling a plan.

[Teriyaki]

I mean, only realistic thing they can do is reduce the tax on gas right.

[MarkyMark]

Coupons for your next purchase of an electric car

[68style]

I was in PR last night and I notice the Can-Am has changed to making you put your PIN# in now instead of just putting it in and pulling out (teehee)

[Traum]

I mean, only realistic thing they can do is reduce the tax on gas right.
Horgan has said before that he has no plans to suspend the gas taxes, and he has again said so in the Global News article. So it really makes me wonder what tools he has access to that can reduce retail prices.

During the worst days with that 30L gas rationing, retail gas prices definitely remained steady during the rationing period. But it wasn't clear to me what the gov actually did to cause prices to hold still. Was it just a matter of arbitrarily reducing demand? Or was there something else that I am not aware of?

[Teriyaki]

Horgan has said before that he has no plans to suspend the gas taxes, and he has again said so in the Global News article. So it really makes me wonder what tools he has access to that can reduce retail prices.

During the worst days with that 30L gas rationing, retail gas prices definitely remained steady during the rationing period. But it wasn't clear to me what the gov actually did to cause prices to hold still. Was it just a matter of arbitrarily reducing demand? Or was there something else that I am not aware of?

They put in rules restricting gas stations from actually raising prices. Maybe we'll get something like that again...

I don't know, it is tough. What is an effective policy we could realistically implement to reduce gas prices when crude is traded in a global market?

[CivicBlues]

Everyone gets a whistle to blow on when they see gas prices over $2/litre

[whitev70r]

Coupons for your next purchase of an electric car

Yah ... gotta help those poor EV drivers out with rising energy cost, lower the cost rate of electricity, give EV owners vouchers for free charging, we gotta do something to help them out!

[Acura604]

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/premier-surging-gas-prices-bc

Late Thursday afternoon, the BC government announced a news conference would be held Friday morning at 9:30 with Horgan and Public Safety Minister and Solicitor General, Mike Farnworth.

While no details are being released, Daily Hive Urbanized has learned the announcement will be gas related.

Sources say relief could be on the way in the form of a rebate through ICBC for drivers.

It’s not expected BC will reduce fuel taxes or the carbon tax.

[Traum]

We will of course need to hear out the details of the plans tomorrow to see what sort of plans Hulk Horgan has, but if the funding for this is coughed up out of ICBC's coffers, then I'm not really sure how well I'd like it. It'll make the NDP no different than what the Liberals did back when they raided the ICBC coffers to pad up their annual revenue numbers, and the reformed ICBC that we have now is certainly one of the highlights that NDP has done much better than the Liberals had.

[Acura604]

LOL

$110 rebate. Thanks..


https://www.alaskahighwaynews.ca/fort-st-john/live-john-horgan-to-announce-gas-price-relief-plans-5198015

LIVE: John Horgan announces $110 gas price relief payment for B.C. drivers
The provincial government says ICBC will provide a one-time relief rebate of $110 to drivers to ease the financial burden of increased gas prices.

The province says most ICBC customers with basic auto insurance during the month of February will be eligible for the rebate. Most commercial drivers will receive a $165 rebate "because they generally incur higher expenses," the province said.

"People are facing increased costs through no fault of their own, but as a chain reaction that started with Putin's illegal war in Ukraine," said Premier John Horgan in the release. "As a result of our work to fix ICBC, we're in a position to put money back in people's pockets to help a little with these increased costs."

[pastarocket]

How the hell is $110 as a rebate going to help drivers in BC???


Perfect timing before gas prices go up even higher during the May long weekend. The start of summer driving season.

Thanks Horgan! FeelsBadMan

What a complete joke in terms of gas "relief" !!

BC government helps people to help pay for about an average, a tank and a half of gas, for drivers. :lawl:

[JDMDreams]

Why are they raiding ICBC again, $110 isn't even enough for a months worth of insurance or gas. :okay: they are just gonna Jack up premiums again then :suspicious:

[Acura604]

we wont see it till MAY !


https://i.imgur.com/IkmS2dt.jpg

[radeonboy]

I'm pretty okay with this, it's better than nothing. But I hope people with EVs aren't eligible.

[Euro7r]

Rebate my ass. We know they are going to balance their fucking numbers with some stupid premium increase along the lines of due to increase in accidents etc. There's never any good coming out of ICBC. They make it sound like they are helping us, but in reality they are nothing but bunch of thieves that took a lot of our money, then give us back a little bit of the money they raided our pockets with.

[SumAznGuy]

I'm pretty okay with this, it's better than nothing. But I hope people with EVs aren't eligible.

What about plug-in hybrids?

[radeonboy]

What about plug-in hybrids?

Hmm that's a good point. My gut reaction is yes since the vehicles can consume gasoline, but it's possible that the drivers can get around on electricity alone. Not sure how ICBC classifies them on insurance papers..

[mikemhg]

A tank of gas :lol

I voted for Horgan, but damn, this is pretty embarrassing.

Not only that, but I thought ICBC was a dumpster fire 3 years ago? Seems a little hypocritical to use their coffers to give out these rebates for votes, especially when we attacked the BC Liberals for doing the same.

[Teriyaki]

So how does everyone feel about what Alberta did and drop their tax on fuel? I think it was generally looked at favourbly from a driver's perspective?

If you take the $110 and divide it on a /litre savings basis which was 13 cents in the case of Alberta. That's 110/.13= 846. So we're essentially dropping the tax with a max cap of 846 litres.

If you have a sipper, or reduce your habits and don't use up 846 litres you're technically ahead as you'd have to exceed that amount to reach the same "savings" had you been located next door. You'd get the rebate regardless?

Feel this has the added benefit of reducing the possibility of gas stations just immediately pocketing any drop in fuel tax by increasing the price.

Don't know, just my counter perspective on the knee jerk outrage.
Can't really change the physics of supply and demand. I feel the policy isnt as pathetic as it's made out to be?

Maybe the marketing and PR message should have been structured more positively. Isn't our tax actually less like 10 cents here in BC? Come out and say we're dropping the tax on every drivers tax for the next 1000 litres! To prevent gas stations from purging those savings we'll send drivers a cheque instead of leaving it to the pump price. Shit they should hire me to do this.

[whitev70r]

$110 for ICE only, right? Or would that be discrimination against EV's?

No wait ... we gotta help and support EV drivers.

[320icar]

*edit* there must be a better solution, yes? Are global gas prices all the same and the price for consumer consists of subsidies or surcharges?

This is fucking stupid. Absolutely fucking idiotic. No doubt my insurance will go up next year, and $110 doesn’t even cover 1 tank of gas for my car. And this is suppose to be a one time thing? And all those fucking Tesla’s in Richmond/Vancouver also get it?

Hold on…

https://i.imgflip.com/36b46q.png

[SumAznGuy]

Gov confirmed, EV's get it too.

[Gumby]

EV drivers are also eligible for the gas price relief payment? Makes no sense.

[nismodrifter]

That will fill 3/4 of my tank. Useless.

[MarkyMark]

Thanks for the half tank of gas Horgan, problem solved.

[Traum]

This is exactly how I look at the issue as well. I had a look at my gas usage last year, and on my primary vehicle, I ended up using around 900L of gas. Averaging things out, it worked out to a ~12¢/L savings. It isn't a lot, but I'll gladly take it.

The only insulting part is -- EV owners also get the rebate, and that just makes no sense. It's branded as a fxxking gas rebate, so why is the NDP reimbursing EV owners? (IMO, plug-in hybrid owners should get a smaller rebate, just like how commercial vehicle owners are getting a larger rebate.)

As an additional note, I think Hulk Horgan and the NDP have failed to highlight the important difference between this ICBC rebate VS how the BC Libs used to raid the ICBC bank account to pad up the provincial government's annual fiscal reports. With the BC Libs, it was taking ICBC money to make the provincial numbers look good. With this ICBC rebate, car owners are getting money send back directly into their own pockets. IMO, that is a huge, HUGE difference, but somehow a lot of people don't see it this way.

The missed opportunity (to highlight this difference) is a huge mis-step by the NDP because they are damaging their own brand. The rescue of ICBC from the BC Libs-induced financial dumpster fire was one of the highlight success stories of the NDP government. By allowing people to form the misconception that the NDP is raiding ICBC's coffers just like the Liberals were, they are doing themselves a huge dis-favour.

So how does everyone feel about what Alberta did and drop their tax on fuel? I think it was generally looked at favourbly from a driver's perspective?

If you take the $110 and divide it on a /litre savings basis which was 13 cents in the case of Alberta. That's 110/.13= 846. So we're essentially dropping the tax with a max cap of 846 litres.

If you have a sipper, or reduce your habits and don't use up 846 litres you're technically ahead as you'd have to exceed that amount to reach the same "savings" had you been located next door. You'd get the rebate regardless?

Feel this has the added benefit of reducing the possibility of gas stations just immediately pocketing any drop in fuel tax by increasing the price.

Don't know, just my counter perspective on the knee jerk outrage.
Can't really change the physics of supply and demand. I feel the policy isnt as pathetic as it's made out to be?

Maybe the marketing and PR message should have been structured more positively. Isn't our tax actually less like 10 cents here in BC? Come out and say we're dropping the tax on every drivers tax for the next 1000 litres! To prevent gas stations from purging those savings we'll send drivers a cheque instead of leaving it to the pump price. Shit they should hire me to do this.

[sonick]

To echo some of the above, the point is relieving the DIFFERENCE in the gas price increase, not to pay for tanks of gas.

Assuming we are accounting for a 10 cent premium per litre (e.g. 1.90/l to 2.00/lr), assuming an avg tank is 50 litres, thats $5 per fill-up premium. $110 would cover more than 20 fill-ups which I think is more than reasonable.

Even if you double the price difference to 20 cents (e.g. 1.80/l to 2.00/l) thats 10 fill-ups it covers, which is 5 months assuming bi-weekly fill-ups.

I am fine with this, and expected WAY less from the gov't.

[SSM_DC5]

Gov confirmed, EV's get it too.

Sauce?

[The Producer]

https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/277253932_10166056308360565_1518566355089073414_n. jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s720x720&_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=IF4ghXti4qMAX9_pP16&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=00_AT9adi0jbYM6qZ37VWctjTr3bmoqxPyhT0JIoHELKtzX 1A&oe=62429646

stolen from FB - i chuckled

[pastarocket]

Horgan and his cronies expect a 110 dollar rebate to help create more goodwill among voters in BC.

More BS from politicians. Giving me a crumb so that they can say that they did something so that they can entice me to vote for the NDP in the next election.

Hell no. The NDP just lost another vote in the next provincial election.

[quasi]

About 3 years ago I negotiated a company gas card in lieu of a raise that year, it's paid off.

[Manic!]

Horgan and his cronies expect a 110 dollar rebate to help create more goodwill among voters in BC.

More BS from politicians. Giving me a crumb so that they can say that they did something so that they can entice me to vote for the NDP in the next election.

Hell no. The NDP just lost another vote in the next provincial election.

And what are the liberals going to do?

[twitchyzero]

not just EVs but it should not apply to pleasure use vehicles, IMO

should also be disbursed by a week or two, not may or june..the war started a month ago

kinda like them mandating health workers to be vaxxed AFTER delta & omicron has already ravaged through the population

[pastarocket]

And what are the liberals going to do?

When did I say that I would vote for the Liberals in light of the NDP's policies?

I might as well not vote in the next provincial election. As if anything changes for the better with a new provincial government.


Government gaslighting at its finest. Putting the blame on Russia for gas price increases when government policies of provincial gas taxes, carbon tax are some of the main factors in price increases.

Oh by the way, fare increases are happening this summer for public transit.

[Teriyaki]

Oh by the way, fare increases are happening this summer for public transit.

Increasing 5 cents on a one-way fare. Let's not pretend like that is going to break the bank here, and lets be real... 95% of RS wouldn't consider going on the bus even if fares were free.

[pastarocket]

Increasing 5 cents on a one-way fare. Let's not pretend like that is going to break the bank here, and lets be real... 95% of RS wouldn't consider going on the bus even if fares were free.

The point that I am making is that this government, heck many governments, just give voters money in the form of rebates from one hand and take money back from you with another hand.

It's not even about RS nation taking public transit. It's about this provincial government not addressing the cost of living in BC.

For example, tell me how our government is trying to lower the cost of buying groceries for people, for families.

Gas price increases are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of living expenses in BC for many people.

BC = Bring Cash