[Manic!]

No word on the number of victims he was dressed as a cop driving a replica cop car. There are also reports of him setting fires last night.

Nova Scotia RCMP say the suspect in an active shooter investigation that began in the rural community of Portapique, N.S., is now in custody.

Police have arrested 51-year-old Gabriel Wortman.

Police say there are multiple victims, but would not say Sunday morning how many people were either injured or killed.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/rcmp-weapon-lockdown-portapique-1.5537598

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV-CLzcWAAADvWk?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://i.cbc.ca/1.5537622.1587297449!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_1180/gabriel-wortman.jpg

[MG1]

Manic, it's been a while, eh?

[punkwax]

Lol its like Manic tries so hard to be the first person to post a mass shooting event that he doesn’t give a shit about properly spelling the thread title. I mean he kinda sucks at spelling anyway but this has to be his 3rd or 4th mass shooting thread with blatantly misspelled words in the title :lol

[MG1]

Lol its like Manic tries so hard to be the first person to post a mass shooting event that he doesn’t give a shit about properly spelling the thread title. I mean he kinda sucks at spelling anyway but this has to be his 3rd or 4th mass shooting thread with blatantly misspelled words in the title :lol

3rd or 4th?

Way more............ as far as his proofreading skills go, I believe he does that on purpose. Kind of like how Trump stirs things up, because he can and get people to react.

[mikemhg]

I already knew what the guy looked like before I opened the thread :lol

[Manic!]

Breaking news the shooter is dead.

[twitchyzero]

harder to shoot up a crowd when school/concerts/mass is not in session

[whitev70r]

Manic, it's been a while, eh?

Not long enough.

[GS8]

Lol its like Manic tries so hard to be the first person to post a mass shooting event that he doesn’t give a shit about properly spelling the thread title. I mean he kinda sucks at spelling anyway but this has to be his 3rd or 4th mass shooting thread with blatantly misspelled words in the title :lol

Maybe he types them from his phone?

https://i.gifer.com/P9s4.gif

[Gumby]

Maybe he types them from his phone?

https://i.gifer.com/P9s4.gif
1) His phone doesn’t have autocorrect?

2) cought: the O is nowhere near the A

3) same with bressed, the D and B are not close by

[cafe22]

Maybe time for new prescription glasses?

http://www.tvstyleguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/bubbles_trailer_park_boys-1020x560.jpg

[N.V.M.]

all i see is ESL threads.

[hud 91gt]

Does manic suffer from my illness? Words worst phone spelling and the no give a fuq factor to correct it? It runs in my family.

[Presto]

Lol its like Manic tries so hard to be the first person to post a mass shooting event that he doesn’t give a shit about properly spelling the thread title. I mean he kinda sucks at spelling anyway but this has to be his 3rd or 4th mass shooting thread with blatantly misspelled words in the title :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_VTvQLAfaE

[Manic!]

10 dead including a police officer. I rush posting because bi try to do it inbetween customers and my spelling sucks.

[SkinnyPupp]

I already knew what the guy looked like before I opened the thread :lol
If this happened in America it would barely even make it on the news

[Mikoyan]

Damn. At least 13 dead so far.

[6793026]

i wonder wtf happened and what the motives were, not only do you have to get a car and decal it like a cop car.. but I guess he wasn't able to get the siren lights?

[RRxtar]

Holy can we make impersonating a police officer illegal already!?

[T4RAWR]

“It’s with tremendous sadness that we have lost Const. Heidi Stevenson, a 23-year veteran of the force who was killed this morning while responding to an active shooter incident.”


https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/heidi-stevenson.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=1024

https://i.redd.it/if4e8zshbut41.png

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/6840045/heidi-stevenson-rcmp-shooting-death/amp/

[Mikoyan]

Holy can we make impersonating a police officer illegal already!?

It already is.

Some of the NS media reports seem to suggest some of the initial victims may have been targeted, before he went into full spree mode.

It's obviously super early for all the details to be clear as it's being investigated.

[Manic!]

If this happened in America it would barely even make it on the news

Unless the shooter was a Muslim or a Mexican then every right wing media outlet would be covering it.

[SkinnyPupp]

Unless the shooter was a Muslim or a Mexican then every right wing media outlet would be covering it.
Exactly

With this guy everyone will just say he was "crazy" and dismiss it in a minute

[vitaminG]

Unless the shooter was a Muslim or a Mexican then every right wing media outlet would be covering it.

This is peak manic!, Posting a mass shooting, and clumsily finding a way to blame right wingers... We get it, you're woke

[RRxtar]

It already is.

Some of the NS media reports seem to suggest some of the initial victims may have been targeted, before he went into full spree mode.

It's obviously super early for all the details to be clear as it's being investigated.
Thats the point.

[Manic!]

This is peak manic!, Posting a mass shooting, and clumsily finding a way to blame right wingers

It's the truth. We all know it. If his name was Mohammed the story would have been covered a tot differently. The number us up to 16 now.

[vitaminG]

^ you're right, it's all Donald Trump's fault!

You're a fuckin broken record. Get some new talking points

[underscore]

so is anyone going to actually discuss the shooting or....?

My heart goes out to the family and friends of Const. Heidi Stevenson and all the other victims.

[StylinRed]

Wow cabin fever must be Gettin to u guys, was expecting a thread disseminating the shooters life as per old RS, but we just got a buncha cranky old bitches complaining

[Manic!]

so is anyone going to actually discuss the shooting or....?

My heart goes out to the family and friends of Const. Heidi Stevenson and all the other victims.

What's there to discuss? They are going to blame it on mental illness and sweep it under the rug. Maybe the Liberals, NDP, Greens, and the Block can do something to strengthen gun laws.


The guy was a wannabe cop. Too stupid to actually get in.

https://i1.wp.com/truecrimesociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/yearbook.jpg?w=714&ssl=1

[unit]

i like how all the right wingers on this site are weighing in with thanks and fails but nobody wants to type anything because it's a white male shooter. if it was a brown guy this thread would look a whole lot different..

[belka]

Hmm if only one of those victims had some defence, maybe none of this would have happened. Oh shit I forgot, in Canada you're not allowed to protect yourself. Got to wait for the police. Gerald Stanley is the perfect example for the need of castle law in Canada, especially in rural communities where the RCMP are few and far between.

[welfare]

i like how all the right wingers on this site are weighing in with thanks and fails but nobody wants to type anything because it's a white male shooter. if it was a brown guy this thread would look a whole lot different..

Yet it only took three posts for the "left wingers" to insert race as the focal point.

[bcedhk]

Hmm if only one of those victims had some defence, maybe none of this would have happened. Oh shit I forgot, in Canada you're not allowed to protect yourself. Got to wait for the police. Gerald Stanley is the perfect example for the need of castle law in Canada, especially in rural communities where the RCMP are few and far between.

Uh, two of the victims did have guns and it still happened.

[tiger_handheld]

we need to do more for white males suffering from mental health.

stop spending money on colored males...they are all terrorizers.


/sarcasm

[MG1]

As a citizen of this fine country, I do not want to live like our cousins down south. I, for one, will continue to take my chances here.


god bless..........

[belka]

Uh, two of the victims did have guns and it still happened.

You are right, guns don't prevent crime. Lets take away guns from police too.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PfeoPMUjPrM/TDarCbAjNZI/AAAAAAAAB30/CPpOoR3nrrE/s1600/DemolitionMan_baton.png


In Canada, more would have been dead.

A 'Good Guy With a Gun' Prevented a Texas Church Shooting From Becoming a Massacre
https://reason.com/2019/12/30/a-good-guy-with-a-gun-prevented-a-texas-church-shooting-from-becoming-a-massacre/

[Manic!]

Hmm if only one of those victims had some defence, maybe none of this would have happened. Oh shit I forgot, in Canada you're not allowed to protect yourself. Got to wait for the police. Gerald Stanley is the perfect example for the need of castle law in Canada, especially in rural communities where the RCMP are few and far between.

2 cops that where shot including the one who died had guns. Also, the guy was dressed as a cop. Are you really going to shoot a cop? I would like to see how many of the victims owned a gun.

The number is up to 18 but they say it could be higher because they don't know all the places the guy went.

[Manic!]

You are right, guns don't prevent crime. Lets take away guns from police too.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PfeoPMUjPrM/TDarCbAjNZI/AAAAAAAAB30/CPpOoR3nrrE/s1600/DemolitionMan_baton.png


In Canada, more would have been dead.

A 'Good Guy With a Gun' Prevented a Texas Church Shooting From Becoming a Massacre
https://reason.com/2019/12/30/a-good-guy-with-a-gun-prevented-a-texas-church-shooting-from-becoming-a-massacre/

That's a great idea if we can make sure no one in canada owns a gun.

[bcedhk]

You are right, guns don't prevent crime. Lets take away guns from police too.

https://reason.com/2019/12/30/a-good-guy-with-a-gun-prevented-a-texas-church-shooting-from-becoming-a-massacre/

wat. My reply was to point out your inaccuracy on how guns could have prevented this incident. The matter of fact is two police officers with guns and proper training still did not stop the shooter. I never said to take away guns from the police. :rukidding:

But I'm going to stop cause I know you NRA nuthuggers won't accept any counter-argument.

[StylinRed]

So the deaths are yp to 19, just reported by the NS police

And the shooter was a dentist, so the whole "too stupid to be a cop" thing is probably not the case

Dentists have the highest rate of suicide or one of the highest last I remember




Edit: isn't belka a refugee from Iran? how did he become an extremist white guy over the years...

[belka]

wat. My reply was to point out your inaccuracy on how guns could have prevented this incident. The matter of fact is two police officers with guns and proper training still did not stop the shooter.

You don't know the circumstances behind their actions, not every RCMP officer handles situations the same. Posing as an RCMP and going on a killing spree isn't a daily occurrence. Lawful gun owners will be punished, once again, by government who doesn't care about increasing funding for law enforcement or mental health services. Lets take away registered firearms because lawful gun owners are easy targets and blaming them feels good. This sounds like a failure by the RCMP, how many hours this went on unanswered? Pretty good reason to keep a firearm in the house just in case.


Edit: isn't belka a refugee from Iran? how did he become an extremist white guy over the years...

Anything not left is automatically extreme white guy right. FailFish I don't own a gun because of personal circumstances, however it's extremely asinine for me to say we need to remove legal firearms from lawful citizens. We don't have enough policing in this country to justify removing everyone's right to self-defence.

[Manic!]

Y. Lawful gun owners will be punished.


Who the fck cares. it's been proven over and over aging lawful gun owners can't be trusted.

[mikemhg]

NSMB, I notice you like to fail me a lot, please chime in why my comment offended you.

My comment is true, why is it that I already knew what this guy looked like before evening opening the thread?

For the last two decades we've had to listen to such utter demagoguery and gas-lighting about terrorism, and how we're open to terrorist attacks by guys clutching Kalashnikovs in dusty caves in the middle of nowhere.

I have conservative friends that still rally about Muslims, how much they hate them, and all that garbage they've been sipping from their media.

How many of these mass shootings (which should be called terrorist attacks) have to happen before we can discuss the major issue with middle aged white men, and these violent attacks in North America?

This isn't about politics, it's a serious problem, and it's on the rise every year here.

Why is it happening so often by one demographic of people? Please avoid any whataboutisms.

I firmly believe that obscure right-wing media (not talking about this particular instance) and the radicalism its creating has a major part to play here.

[boostfever]

Hmm if only one of those victims had some defence, maybe none of this would have happened. Oh shit I forgot, in Canada you're not allowed to protect yourself. Got to wait for the police. Gerald Stanley is the perfect example for the need of castle law in Canada, especially in rural communities where the RCMP are few and far between.

Yeah, when you are on your way out to go to work or buy groceries and hear UMP or automatics shooting on the street surely the Rambo in you is gonna wake up and do some serious damage with a pistol...

Edit: isn't belka a refugee from Iran? how did he become an extremist white guy over the years...

Oh the Trump supporters really do love him or his type down south, he will fit right in.
[/sarcasm]

[Manic!]

Good old brian lilley has to shove minorities into every story.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-gives-china-a-pass-then-targets-gun-owners

[belka]

Yeah, when you are on your way out to go to work or buy groceries and hear UMP or automatics shooting on the street surely the Rambo in you is gonna wake up and do some serious damage with a pistol...

Oh the Trump supporters really do love him or his type down south, he will fit right in.
[/sarcasm]

Ur dumb. No one said anything about going rambo with a pistol on your way to buy overpriced coffee. Lawful gun owners don't go looking for gun battles, this isn't the wild west.

Do you need firearms in Vancouver? Probably not. Rural BC? I'd own one, LEGALLY. Liberals will just use this as an excuse to pass more legislation to limit ownership for people thousands of kilometres away. They never let a tragedy go to waste.

[Manic!]

Ur dumb. No one said anything about going rambo with a pistol on your way to buy overpriced coffee. Lawful gun owners don't go looking for gun battles, this isn't the wild west.

Do you need firearms in Vancouver? Probably not. Rural BC? I'd own one, LEGALLY. Liberals will just use this as an excuse to pass more legislation to limit ownership for people thousands of kilometres away. They never let a tragedy go to waste.

B.C. is 1,200 kilometres from north to south and 1,050 kilometres from east to west. So who in BC is living thousands of kilometres away from what ever you are talking about.


No one is talking about talking away all guns. Thats compete B.S.

[pastarocket]

-latest news update is that at least 23 people are dead in this mass shooting. :heckno:

http:/https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/21/at-least-23-dead-in-nova-scotia-mass-shooting/

[Manic!]

-latest news update is that at least 23 people are dead in this mass shooting. :heckno:

http:/https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/21/at-least-23-dead-in-nova-scotia-mass-shooting/

On CTV this morning they where interviewing the husband of one of the victims. He announced that his wife was pregnant and that they where going to tell everyone next week. So make that 24.

[vitaminG]

^ were you wearing your maga hat when you said that. You mysoginist pro lifer

[Manic!]

^ were you wearing your maga hat when you said that. You mysoginist pro lifer

I'm not pro-life but are you going to tell a grieving father that it was just a fetus that died so it's not a big deal.

[welfare]

It is (unfortunately) the case in Canada that the murder of an unborn child is not considered murder at all.
Because an unborn child is not a human being in Canada
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-223.html

When child becomes human being

223 (1) A child becomes a human being within the meaning of this Act when it has completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother, whether or not

(a) it has breathed;

(b) it has an independent circulation; or

(c) the navel string is severed.

Killing child

(2) A person commits homicide when he causes injury to a child before or during its birth as a result of which the child dies after becoming a human being.

[welfare]

A very good question indeed. Still no explanation, other than "they did not want to irritate the recipients". Far from a reasonable response to a shooting spree that spanned much of the province, over a period of 12 hours, by a perpetrator impersonating an RCMP officer.
Quite unacceptable.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6845194/nova-scotia-shooting-emergency-alert/

[Hondaracer]

They are going out of their way to not report what type of firearm was used, nor if he was even legally allowed to own then, and of course none of the MSM wanted to ask the questions..

He had a past of violence and for a period of time was completely prohibited from owning any weapons as per the Toronto star. It's also being reported that beside his look-alike police cruiser he also had a legitimate RCMP uniform.

I wouldnt say it's far fetched to say he likely had stolen RCMP issue weapons as well, or at the very least, illegal similar models. But hey, details aint important when Turd wants to spin illegal gun ownership to punish legal, law abiding owners.

[mikemhg]

There's something fishy about this story.

I don't know what it is, but the information we're being given just isn't making any sense. Now they're saying he might have had an accomplice as well? How did he have a legitimate RCMP uniform? Why was he allowed to roll around in a replica RCMP vehicle in the first place?

This is smelling like a bit of a cover up of sorts.

There's definitely more to this story and someone important isn't going to look good here.

[Bouncing Bettys]

More gun control? How about uniform control? Make officers turn in their uniforms to be destroyed or reissued. Majority of uniform jobs I've ever worked had a return policy (even if they were just thrown in a box to collect dust), so why can't the police?

[6793026]

How did he have a legitimate RCMP uniform? Why was he allowed to roll around in a replica RCMP vehicle in the first place?

Global new / Van Sun says he made his own uniform (easily replicated with pics from internet and the car decals were obviously replica.

Obviously, against the law to roll around in a cop car but a normal citizen ain't going to say "oh look, that's a fake cop car cause it didn't have sirens on top" that was one thing the killer wasn't able to rep was the red and blue lights on top of the car.


They are going out of their way to not report what type of firearm was used, nor if he was even legally allowed to own then, and of course none of the MSM wanted to ask the questions..

He had a past of violence and for a period of time was completely prohibited from owning any weapons as per the Toronto star. It's also being reported that beside his look-alike police cruiser he also had a legitimate RCMP uniform.



He was banned back in 2002 for ownership. As to legitimate uniform, was it an older style / or he had a legit RCMP logo /patch.. I'm sure cops won't disclose any of that info in fear of copy cats but I'm sure if we dig deeper, there are sources to buy jackets / shirts similar... the Patches would require someone to send over to Aliexpress to get someone to produce.

[CivicBlues]

What we really need is some got dang bullet control

/chris rock

[Manic!]

Global new / Van Sun says he made his own uniform (easily replicated with pics from internet and the car decals were obviously replica.

Obviously, against the law to roll around in a cop car but a normal citizen ain't going to say "oh look, that's a fake cop car cause it didn't have sirens on top" that was one thing the killer wasn't able to rep was the red and blue lights on top of the car.




He was banned back in 2002 for ownership. As to legitimate uniform, was it an older style / or he had a legit RCMP logo /patch.. I'm sure cops won't disclose any of that info in fear of copy cats but I'm sure if we dig deeper, there are sources to buy jackets / shirts similar... the Patches would require someone to send over to Aliexpress to get someone to produce.

He was banned from owning guns for 9 months. Also, you can make your own patches with a computer-controlled embroidery machine.

[Bouncing Bettys]

There was a gentleman on CBC this morning (can't recall credentials/expertise) saying all you have to do to aquire an authentic RCMP uniform is walk into any military surplus store. According to him, officers are allowed to keep their old uniforms and are supposed to destroy them. Some don't do this and they find their way into the public.

[68style]

There's something fishy about this story.

I don't know what it is, but the information we're being given just isn't making any sense. Now they're saying he might have had an accomplice as well? How did he have a legitimate RCMP uniform? Why was he allowed to roll around in a replica RCMP vehicle in the first place?

This is smelling like a bit of a cover up of sorts.

There's definitely more to this story and someone important isn't going to look good here.

Just my musings as a former fleet person at rcmp, I think what they mean on the “accomplice” side of things is that he had an in somehow to order a Ford Taurus / Interceptor brand new with police / security spec (blacked out wheels and holes to mount equipment in, etc) as it’s not something anyone in the general public can just order.

As for the decals they don’t look quite right but he did an amazing job copying them very closely. Keep in mind the guy built dentures, which is also super detailed work itself.

This story will continue to unravel for quite some time that’s for sure....

[belka]

It’s obvious that gun laws don’t mean shit, people will acquire weapons regardless of what’s written on a piece of paper. If he had a license we would have known in the first 10 seconds. The LPC wanted to milk the situation for political gain. The strategy was obviously to get in some words about banning guns on, and then promptly forget about it. It'll stir the pot enough with the anti-gun zealots, and that's all they need.

The RCMP come off majorly incompetent in all of this. They are largely responsible for more people dying.

[Manic!]

It’s obvious that gun laws don’t mean shit, people will acquire weapons regardless of what’s written on a piece of paper. If he had a license we would have known in the first 10 seconds. The LPC wanted to milk the situation for political gain. The strategy was obviously to get in some words about banning guns on, and then promptly forget about it. It'll stir the pot enough with the anti-gun zealots, and that's all they need.

The RCMP come off majorly incompetent in all of this. They are largely responsible for more people dying.

They why have any laws at all?

[Oscar_Binswood]

There was a gentleman on CBC this morning (can't recall credentials/expertise) saying all you have to do to aquire an authentic RCMP uniform is walk into any military surplus store. According to him, officers are allowed to keep their old uniforms and are supposed to destroy them. Some don't do this and they find their way into the public.

There's really nothing special or unique about a police uniform RCMP or not. You can walk into DS Tactical and buy 5.11 tac pants/shirts and sew on a couple shoulder flashes which are common amongst patch traders/collectors.

Hell, majority of RCMP members in the LMD don't even wear their issued kit because of how poorly constructed and non-functional the gear is. Most buy their own pants, boots, body armour carriers, and I've seen some interesting home made sweaters/jackets worn by members.

[welfare]

There is a lot of weirdness about this case coming up so far...

https://globalnews.ca/news/6853581/nova-scotia-shooting-onslow-fire-hall-bullets/
Nova Scotia’s police watchdog is investigating why two uniformed officers were shooting in the direction of a fire hall in Onslow being used as a place of refuge the morning of the shooting rampage.

In a statement to Global News, Nova Scotia Serious Incident Response Team (SiRT) interim director Pat Curran said the team is investigating the discharge of firearms by two RCMP officers near the Onslow-Belmont Fire Hall about 10:30 a.m. on Sunday morning.

“At this point we don’t what they were shooting at,” Curran said. “We do know that the shooter was not in that area at that time.”

The Onslow Belmont Fire Hall is located about 25 kilometres east of Portapique, N.S., where a gunman began his deadly rampage that spanned over 12 hours and killed at least 22 people this past weekend.

[mikemhg]

There is a lot of weirdness about this case coming up so far...

https://globalnews.ca/news/6853581/nova-scotia-shooting-onslow-fire-hall-bullets/

We might actually agree on something here.

From the start of this story something smelt fishy, the way the information was trickling out, and flip flops on information, the vagueness, the inaccuracies. It smelt like something was being covered up or hidden here, my first thought was whether or not a rogue officer/officers might have been involved here.

I'm not claiming that specifically, but there definitely seems like there is something to this story that might get some powerful folks in trouble. I sound like a tinfoil hatter, but this whole story gave me a weird feeling from the jump.

[SkinnyPupp]

If something really is "fishy" I think the most likely scenario is just sheer incompetence.

[RRxtar]

i feel like the details are currently being danced around because that fucking slimeball bill blair is trying to craft a narrative to release the information around. in the press conference, he interrupted the police investigator when he was asked details about the guns used, etc. they're trying to figure out how to use this to further the gun ban agenda, and the information currently doesn't fit properly.

being unlicensed and using illegal guns doesn't help the 'take legal guns from legal gun owners' narrative.

[twitchyzero]

police in some fashion knew about the replica cruiser...probably thought it was some restoration hobby like old army willys jeep

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia-killer-fake-cruiser-1.5543176

sounds like a small town force just couldn't wrap their head around the idea of a massacre is even a possibility

[JD¹³]

Something about this definitely stinks. The mock car, the uniform, the refusal to discuss the weapon(s) used and his legal status....

The firearm(s) used were obviously acquired illegally, but my gut says they may be stolen RCMP issue. Combine this with RRxtar's comments (which we know are true because Bill Blair is a fraud and a liar) and this whole situation could look very bad for important people.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-hundreds-of-guns-go-missing-from-the-mounties-military-and-other-departments

[Bouncing Bettys]

Not likely related but there is a shooting incident going on near Halifax. Police have issued a shelter in place warning.

[mikemhg]

Something about this definitely stinks. The mock car, the uniform, the refusal to discuss the weapon(s) used and his legal status....

The firearm(s) used were obviously acquired illegally, but my gut says they may be stolen RCMP issue. Combine this with RRxtar's comments (which we know are true because Bill Blair is a fraud and a liar) and this whole situation could look very bad for important people.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-hundreds-of-guns-go-missing-from-the-mounties-military-and-other-departments

100%.

Apparently the town knew he was impersonating himself as an officer. You know damn well if you or I were rolling around Vancouver in a replica RCMP vehicle we'd be pulled over, and likely have the car seized.

Since when has it been legal to impersonate an officer, you can't tint your damn front windows in most Provinces, since when can you roll around in a decked out RCMP vehicle with impunity?

None of this makes sense.

I've been saying this for a while now, I truly don't trust the RCMP. From how they've dropped the ball almost on purpose on each of these high profile money laundering cases out here in BC, to their coordination with the HA's and stories of officers partying at the Pickton farm back in the day, there's so many stories over the year here. The RCMP has been cash strapped for some time now, really makes me wonder how many bad apples are in there right now.

Surrey is definitely onto something by putting together their own force, no doubt.

[welfare]

Not likely related but there is a shooting incident going on near Halifax. Police have issued a shelter in place warning.

Issued that warning pretty quick this time I see...

[Hondaracer]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/28/nova-scotia-gunman-acquired-police-car-last-fall-rcmp/

Even this article seems to tip toe around the details.

The way it’s written suggests that the car he has was in fact an RCMP interceptor not just a regular Taurus. Also the guy has a collection of ex-police cars and uninforms etc. And is related to multiple RCMP officers?

But yea, legal gun owners are the issue..

[T4RAWR]

https://www.citynews1130.com/2020/04/28/nova-scotia-gunman-acquired-police-car-last-fall-rcmp/

Even this article seems to tip toe around the details.

The way it’s written suggests that the car he has was in fact an RCMP interceptor not just a regular Taurus. Also the guy has a collection of ex-police cars and uninforms etc. And is related to multiple RCMP officers?

But yea, legal gun owners are the issue..

Libs are going for a gun grab whole emotions are high.

:heckno:

[welfare]

Libs are going for a gun grab whole emotions are high.

:heckno:

They do seem to be neglecting to mention (with much tenacity at least) that 9 out of the 22 deaths were the result of arson.

[whitev70r]

Lots of options here

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/cto/d/north-vancouver-2008-ford-crown-victoria/7116089072.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00404_hNmQTYu1yxg_600x450.jpg

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[Hondaracer]

The fact that he had been using hand guns with his previous ban on owning any firearms period likely suggests they were illegal.

[T4RAWR]

Lots of options here

https://images.craigslist.org/00404_hNmQTYu1yxg_600x450.jpg


Love it.

One of the best cars you can spend 12 hours a day in

:ahwow:

[underscore]

^ I suspect 12 hours in the front is much nicer than 12 hours in the back though.

[Manic!]

The fact that he had been using hand guns with his previous ban on owning any firearms period likely suggests they were illegal.

And that's why we need stiffer gun laws. He should have got jail time for illegal discharge of a firearm.

[belka]

Libs are going for a gun grab whole emotions are high.

:heckno:

This sheer stupidity of Trudeau has reached a new high, his reasoning of the current ban is because the 1989 shooting is still "fresh in his mind". It's been 30 years! This is only hurting lawful gun owners, if psychopaths want guns they will still find a way to obtain them and kill people. Gun laws don't prevent mass shootings.

[Hondaracer]

For anyone interested in the “laws” the libs want to introduce this is the petition against the proposed bill:

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-2341

The proposed “buy back” program from legal gun owners of guns that look scary could cost up to 250 million. Keep in mind the govt. essentially has no idea how many guns are out there and how many guns will ever be turned in because there is no registry.

Also what they are proposing is essentially giving pennies on the dollar for valuable firearms worth 500-5000.

Good time to spend 250 million when we’re already gonna be paying for this covid shit for generations. I’m sure a buy back “scary” guns would have surely prevented this tragedy

[Manic!]

Gun laws don't prevent mass shootings.

Any facts to back that up or is that just your feeling.

The only time I used a gun was in Vegas and my aim was terrible. You could give me all the guns in the world but I would not know what to do with them. I don't know how to clean a gun, load a gun, unjam a gun, or even take off the safety. Also, my aim is so bad it would take me 10 to 12 shots to kill someone.

This idiot at one point was a legal gun owner so he had proper training on how to use a gun. That's why he was able to kill so many people. There is a reason why 50 cent was shot 9 times and survived. I doubt a hunter would take 9 shots to kill something.

My target from vegas. Used an M16 and a Glock 9.

https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/s720x720/201279_1896499045849_4077851_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=210fed&_nc_oc=AQmvmKJXlLQQgJlFJSEv7n2-I-WqiuCGHEPccvHssglWYdy97SB2BnuMbAH2YIDZOSs&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&_nc_tp=7&oh=6a4b616372adf500ca2d0c86703acc97&oe=5ED07B2E

[belka]

Any facts to back that up or is that just your feeling.

Crazies will find a way to obtain weapons or if they can't do that, they'll just take a van and run over people on a busy street. Point is, a rifle or a van, people can find a way to inflict mass casualties with a good enough plan. The only difference is you can't ban vehicles, but guns are easy because they look scary.

Having shot a M16 style weapon multiple times, the full-auto mode is pretty much useless. Unless you are in very close quarters the bullet pattern just scatters in all direction, regardless of how good you are with recoil. At 200m a single aimed shot is very accurate if you know proper breathing and trigger squeezing techniques.

[roastpuff]

This idiot at one point was a legal gun owner so he had proper training on how to use a gun. That's why he was able to kill so many people.

Dude, gun licensing training is not on how to shoot a gun. It is how to legally store a gun, and how to comply with regulations. It shows you how to clear the action of the gun before storage, and ensuring it is unloaded. It sure as hell doesn't teach you how to shoot well, or how to shoot in general.

[Hondaracer]

Even the core course which is a week + long doesn’t train you how to shoot.

Your average person could not hit a dinner plate at 10 feet with a handgun.

[Manic!]

Dude, gun licensing training is not on how to shoot a gun. It is how to legally store a gun, and how to comply with regulations. It shows you how to clear the action of the gun before storage, and ensuring it is unloaded. It sure as hell doesn't teach you how to shoot well, or how to shoot in general.

Even the core course which is a week + long doesn’t train you how to shoot.

Your average person could not hit a dinner plate at 10 feet with a handgun.

As a licensed gun owner I could go to a gun range take courses and practice. There is a reason why you see drug dealers in the lower mainland survive multiple shootings.


Crazies will find a way to obtain weapons or if they can't do that, they'll just take a van and run over people on a busy street. Point is, a rifle or a van, people can find a way to inflict mass casualties with a good enough plan. The only difference is you can't ban vehicles, but guns are easy because they look scary.



So you have no facts.

[twitchyzero]

not sure why you keep bringing up gangbangers who likely dont have legal firearms in the first place

and those shootings are risky because of hitting bystanders

i dont agree with blanket bans nor that it's a pressing concern in the canadian context

[6793026]

wow there are so much bullshit on here it's not even funny.

the "gun course" doesn't provide shit all on shooting.

Shooting in real life versus in the movies are so far off its not even funny.

Try shooting a moving target safely (skeet shooting) with a shotgun takes hella practice. Doing it with a hand gun like Will Smith in any of his movies will result in nothing but hitting thin air.

[JD¹³]

I'm so glad I have Manic on ignore and don't have to read whatever absolute trash he has to say any more. He is the most worthless poster on this forum.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/NaxKt9aSzAspO/giphy.gif

As for the new firearms being put on the prohibited list, good luck. Lots of rifles are going to be "stolen" and buried just long enough for the next government to reverse these changes the Liberals are implementing. People are not going to comply with this. Using someone's own tax dollars to confiscate their property at pennies on the dollar with ZERO logical precedent is quite frankly a slap in the face of democracy and responsible governance. For shame.

[stewie]

Any facts to back that up or is that just your feeling.

The only time I used a gun was in Vegas and my aim was terrible. You could give me all the guns in the world but I would not know what to do with them. I don't know how to clean a gun, load a gun, unjam a gun, or even take off the safety. Also, my aim is so bad it would take me 10 to 12 shots to kill someone.

This idiot at one point was a legal gun owner so he had proper training on how to use a gun. That's why he was able to kill so many people. There is a reason why 50 cent was shot 9 times and survived. I doubt a hunter would take 9 shots to kill something.

My target from vegas. Used an M16 and a Glock 9.




A 30 second video on youtube will pretty much teach you how to use any gun you can think of. Gun review videos dont teach you how to shoot but they do go through all the features such as how comfortable it is in your hand and how easily it is to access the safety etc all while showing what they're doing. How to field strip the gun to clean it.

He may have been a legal gun owner at one point but even if all firearms in canada were seized it would only be a matter of days before they get stolen from the US and smuggled in to canada and sold. Point I'm trying to get at is if someone wants a gun, they'll get it one way or another. We dont need stricter firearm laws we need a better justice system that doesn't let murderers and rapists out of prison after a few years of good behaviour. Thats what I find pathetic with this country.

[mikemhg]

What kind of guns is the Gov looking to ban here?

A friend and I were actually registered for our PAL course for May 2nd and 3rd, it was cancelled due to COVID.

My intent is to merely purchase a Remington and an SKS and/or .22 caliber rifle for the cheap ammo.

Most of the friends I've spoken to that own guns agree that being able to purchase an AR-15 or any assault rifle for that matter isn't necessary. Those weapons are designed for killing people, not hunting.

I'm not married to this topic, but given that majority of mass shootings involve assault rifles, I don't see the problem in such restriction here, nor do I feel like my rights are mitigated via not being able to purchase such a weapon.

[JD¹³]

My intent is to merely purchase a Remington and an SKS and/or .22 caliber rifle for the cheap ammo.

Most of the friends I've spoken to that own guns agree that being able to purchase an AR-15 or any assault rifle for that matter isn't necessary. Those weapons are designed for killing people, not hunting.

I'm not married to this topic, but given that majority of mass shootings involve assault rifles, I don't see the problem in such restriction here, nor do I feel like my rights are mitigated via not being able to purchase such a weapon.
One. There has been one shooting in the nearly 153 years of Confederation using an "assault rifle" - the Quebec City mosque. That semi-automatic rifle was functionally no different than the firearms you want to buy so your point is already lost in hypocrisy. Don't make the US comparison, we are not the United States. Neither is Switzerland, Finland, Germany, et al where the number of firearms per capita are high. It's been said that this wannabe-RCMP loser used rifles as well but what type has not been released. Either way they were acquired illegally.

Your friends opinions are just that, who cares. It's the same argument as saying that because you have a Camry that's all anyone needs to get from A to B so Ferrari's should be prohibited.

[winson604]

What kind of guns is the Gov looking to ban here?

A friend and I were actually registered for our PAL course for May 2nd and 3rd, it was cancelled due to COVID.

My intent is to merely purchase a Remington and an SKS and/or .22 caliber rifle for the cheap ammo.

Most of the friends I've spoken to that own guns agree that being able to purchase an AR-15 or any assault rifle for that matter isn't necessary. Those weapons are designed for killing people, not hunting.

I'm not married to this topic, but given that majority of mass shootings involve assault rifles, I don't see the problem in such restriction here, nor do I feel like my rights are mitigated via not being able to purchase such a weapon.

SO far

The ban includes guns that have been used in past Canadian shootings, including:

the Ruger Mini-14 which was used in the Ecole Polytechnique massacre in Montreal in 1989;
the M14 semi-automatic which was used in the 2014 Moncton shooting;
the Beretta CX4 Storm which was used in the Dawson College shooting; and
the CSA-VZ-58 which the gunman attempted to use in the Quebec Mosque shooting.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds-to-soon-ban-ar-15-several-other-firearms-used-in-mass-shootings-sources-1.4918623

[Hondaracer]

The problem is in their vague wording imo.

Essentially the liberal stance has always been On banning “scary looking” guns, black rifles etc. They have a hard on for black, metal, magazine fed guns.

The SKS, an AK47 variant, has probably killed more people than all black guns combined. However, with its wood stock and relatively minimalist/old design, I have never heard it being on their radar once (although guns like it will likely be swept up in a broad law eventually)

Almost all legitimate black rifles are already restricted with restricted magazine capacities, M4 variants etc.

Then you get into other guns that look like black rifles but are non-restricted due to loop holes, JR carbine which shoots pistol mags (also how you can legally shoot an 8/9 round magazine) and Norinco T97 which looks as scary as can be, but it’s seemingly slipped through due to its bullpup design.

I don’t have problem with stiffer penalties for illegal guns and people using them in violent crimes etc. I absolutely support that. Imo if you have an illegal handgun in your possession regardless of circumstance that should mean minimum sentencing.

However it’s hard for me to get behind any law which takes away guns, or this “buy back” program because the govt. is so inept in effectively instituting laws that they will most certainly fuck this up and leave the legal, law abiding citizen high and dry.

[underscore]

Point I'm trying to get at is if someone wants a gun, they'll get it one way or another.

An illegal gun is going to cost a lot more and be harder to get for a lot of people. You're not just gonna stroll up to some gangbangers and try to buy stuff.

[roastpuff]

As a licensed gun owner I could go to a gun range take courses and practice. There is a reason why you see drug dealers in the lower mainland survive multiple shootings.

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As a non-lincensed person, I would still be able to go to the ranges and practice. You can rent guns and get instructors without having to have a license.

[Hondaracer]

An illegal gun is going to cost a lot more and be harder to get for a lot of people. You're not just gonna stroll up to some gangbangers and try to buy stuff.

If you’re willing to go on a shooting spree you’re probably not averse to maxing our your credit cards and handing a crack head a couple grand to find you a gun and some ammo

[belka]

Most of the friends I've spoken to that own guns agree that being able to purchase an AR-15 or any assault rifle for that matter isn't necessary. Those weapons are designed for killing people, not hunting.

Weapons are only dangerous when someone points it at another person, just like a 5 ton semi truck. If someone lawfully buys an automatic “assault” rifle just to shoot at crap on their property, what business it is of yours?

[Hakkaboy]

Regardless of which guns were used, left vs right, I think it comes down to the following question:

Do less legal guns = less illegal guns?

Yes or No?

No completely eliminate it, but reduce it. I think that question should first be debated on before moving on to any discussion on any possible next steps.

[mikemhg]

Weapons are only dangerous when someone points it at another person, just like a 5 ton semi truck. If someone lawfully buys an automatic “assault” rifle just to shoot at crap on their property, what business it is of yours?

Quit using your "van" or "truck" logic. Vehicles aren't designed to kill people.

Assault rifles are designed to kill people, very different argument here, you're using a straw-man.

Should Bazookas be legal too then? If a line can't be drawn, what's the point of any limits to what we are able to access? I should be able to purchase a fully kitted out Apache too, then.

The people posting in here talking about illegal guns. Lets be real here, the average Tom, dick or Harry does not have the contacts available to purchase an illegal gun.

Don't hit me with the dark web arguments, as I said, most people do not know how to navigate that segment of society.

Criminals will always have access to guns whether illegal or not.

So what is the overall goal here? To arm more legal Canadians with assault rifles? That NRA talking point hasn't worked very well in the US, has it?

I don't understand the obsession and need to own an assault rifle, please explain to me how much a fundamental difference it makes to your daily life?

Someone pose me here some stats. What is the percentage of Canadians that have their PAL? What is the percentage of Canadians that own assault rifles? I guarantee you that number is extremely low.

Should the overall safety of the population be beholden to a small segment of people?

Let's be real here, the majority of mass shootings in the States have been with assault rifles. Canada has not had many, but that's due to our laws, the barrier of entry (background checks, and PAL) is a big reason to that. Perhaps culture is another factor. Either way, wouldn't it make sense to think ahead and begin to limit such access in order to avoid slipping into the environment we're seeing with our neighbors down south?

[68style]

belka's consistently posting arguments from 2006, I think he just recently learned how to use the interwebs

[SkinnyPupp]

GUNS BrokeBack DONT BrokeBack KILL BrokeBack PEOPLE BrokeBack PEOPLE BrokeBack KILL BrokeBack PEOPLE BrokeBack

[MarkyMark]

There's no point in trying to control guns, everyone knows a guy, that knows a guy, that knows a crack addict that knows how to get a gun.

[mikemhg]

I'm still laughing at that crackhead comment, come on Honda.

How about you go down to the DTES and do a little test for us. Give a crackhead $1000 and ask him to find you a gun. You'll never see that money again :lol

[Hondaracer]

Through like 3 jumps of friends of friends I guarantee you I could get an illegal handgun by Monday. A lot of people probably know people who know people.

Not even 10 years ago I knew of people slightly outside my group of friends who had their little nammer buddies who rolled around with unregistered handguns in the arm rests of their Honda’s.

I would have to put some effort into it but I’m pretty confident I could make it happen.

You don’t think you could get the number to some dial-a-coke dealer, give him $1000 and say there’s another $3000 when you bring me back a gun?

Edit* and that’s just talking about “illegal” guns that are whatever, filed off serials, stolen, etc.

Guaranteed you could try to buy guns privately and eventually Somone would forget to check your PAL and voila! You’ve got a gun. A gun that no one knows you have, and has never been registered anywhere.

And if an illegal gun isn’t good enough for you, spend a quick afternoon to get your PAL, buy a $150 SKS and drill out the pin on your clip and the next thing you know you’re loading 9+ rounds into a gun you can buy 1500 rounds for for $500.

Where do you want to end?

[68style]

^
Yah but you're a smart and resourceful guy.

Most people, especially ones with the type of brainpower that go into mass killing, are dumb as fuck or practically autistic from a sociological perspective... they wouldn't know the first thing to do about getting an illegal firearm let alone an automatic weapon.

They might have a crazy idea and then they don't have the stones to get into the criminal world and try to get what they need, so it just ends with them ranting on Facebook or Reddit or the mirror at home. That's why USA has so many mass shooting problems, automatic weapons or otherwise... they can just walk down to Walmart and buy one and immediately acquire the tools they need to enact upon their delusions and visions of grandeur.

That's the block. What other possible reason is there that the USA is such a horrible place for gun violence besides ease of access? It's simple. That is the reason.

I mean, you can't stop every single criminal, this Nova Scotia guy had a certain level of intelligence and fortitude and attention to detail. If someone is really motivated to do something really bad, they're going to do it almost no matter what is in place to potentially stop them. But if you make the process as difficult as reasonably possible, you eliminate all the casual->mildly serious individuals and that's a massive win. The argument here, I suppose, is what level of reasonable is acceptable to everyone?

[belka]

GUNS BrokeBack DONT BrokeBack KILL BrokeBack PEOPLE BrokeBack PEOPLE BrokeBack KILL BrokeBack PEOPLE BrokeBack

So edgy.

No one needs assault weapons to inflict mass casualties. So the argument that guns are primarily used to kill people is fucking retarded. I can use an axe as a weapon or use it to chop wood. People are too dumb to realize that it’s the person pulling the trigger. It’s okay, arguing with a bunch of city folk is meaningless anyway.

[Manic!]

Through like 3 jumps of friends of friends I guarantee you I could get an illegal handgun by Monday. A lot of people probably know people who know people.

Not even 10 years ago I knew of people slightly outside my group of friends who had their little nammer buddies who rolled around with unregistered handguns in the arm rests of their Honda’s.

I would have to put some effort into it but I’m pretty confident I could make it happen.

You don’t think you could get the number to some dial-a-coke dealer, give him $1000 and say there’s another $3000 when you bring me back a gun?

Edit* and that’s just talking about “illegal” guns that are whatever, filed off serials, stolen, etc.

Guaranteed you could try to buy guns privately and eventually Somone would forget to check your PAL and voila! You’ve got a gun. A gun that no one knows you have, and has never been registered anywhere.

And if an illegal gun isn’t good enough for you, spend a quick afternoon to get your PAL, buy a $150 SKS and drill out the pin on your clip and the next thing you know you’re loading 9+ rounds into a gun you can buy 1500 rounds for for $500.

Where do you want to end?

Your average dial a dope dealer is not going to sell you a gun.

Also you can get your PAL in a half a day?

[MarkyMark]

So edgy.

No one needs assault weapons to inflict mass casualties. So the argument that guns are primarily used to kill people is fucking retarded. I can use an axe as a weapon or use it to chop wood. People are too dumb to realize that it’s the person pulling the trigger. It’s okay, arguing with a bunch of city folk is meaningless anyway.

An axe was invented to chop wood, a gun was invented to kill people and do it efficiently. An axe can be used as a weapon but putting crazy aside, if you really wanted to kill a room full of people are you reaching for your gun or your axe before you leave the house?

[6793026]

if they do ban it, I don't know how, but all I'm going to do is surrender the receiver.

Ain't giving them the attachments, mags and any other mods...

[underscore]

Through like 3 jumps of friends of friends I guarantee you I could get an illegal handgun by Monday. A lot of people probably know people who know people.

<snip>

You don’t think you could get the number to some dial-a-coke dealer, give him $1000 and say there’s another $3000 when you bring me back a gun?

Sure you can do it, but you're paying 10x the price and putting in a bunch of effort and going through a bunch of people to get a gun that is illegal as soon as you have it, vs the US where you can just go buy one at the store and nobody bats an eye til you use it. I'm not 100% sure what your point is but you're very clearly showing that one is far more complicated than the other.

[stewie]

Your average dial a dope dealer is not going to sell you a gun.

Also you can get your PAL in a half a day?

Not half a day... half an hour. Not any more though. I had the books and read them at my own pace and challenged the exam. This was 10+ years ago. Did a quick google and found that since 2015 you can no longer challenge the exam. If you've ever used a gun prior to the course and have basic safety knowledge then the exam is pretty simple.

[belka]

An axe was invented to chop wood, a gun was invented to kill people and do it efficiently. An axe can be used as a weapon but putting crazy aside, if you really wanted to kill a room full of people are you reaching for your gun or your axe before you leave the house?

Does it matter? I can grab a knife from the kitchen and slit over a dozen throats in a packed dark movie theatre before someone, maybe, took me down. This mass shooting just proves gun laws don’t work, he used an illegal gun, not a store bought AR-15 that the moronic left are happy to ban while jerking each other off.

Trudeau got exactly what his sheep voted him in for.
World pandemic.
Economy is on cliff of collapse.
Mass shooting with illegal guns.
Perfect time to push the banning of 11+ types of firearms.

Never let a crisis/pandemic go to waste eh?

[Manic!]

Does it matter? I can grab a knife from the kitchen and slit over a dozen throats in a packed dark movie theatre before someone, maybe, took me down. This mass shooting just proves gun laws don’t work, he used an illegal gun, not a store bought AR-15 that the moronic left are happy to ban while jerking each other off.

Trudeau got exactly what his sheep voted him in for.
World pandemic.
Economy is on cliff of collapse.
Mass shooting with illegal guns.
Perfect time to push the banning of 11+ types of firearms.

Never let a crisis/pandemic go to waste eh?

You think you could kill a dozen people with a kitchen knife? LOL you have been watching too many movies. People are not just going to sit there and let you grab them and slit their throats.

[MarkyMark]

Does it matter? I can grab a knife from the kitchen and slit over a dozen throats in a packed dark movie theatre before someone, maybe, took me down. This mass shooting just proves gun laws don’t work, he used an illegal gun, not a store bought AR-15 that the moronic left are happy to ban while jerking each other off.

Trudeau got exactly what his sheep voted him in for.
World pandemic.
Economy is on cliff of collapse.
Mass shooting with illegal guns.
Perfect time to push the banning of 11+ types of firearms.

Never let a crisis/pandemic go to waste eh?

Yeah ok I'm sure you'd be a ninja and just slit over 12 peoples throats before anyone had a clue what was going on. My guess was you'd get two or three people before you're tackled or people just ran away from you. Then you get to chase the poor fat guy that can't out run you while everyone else gets away. With a gun you could just stand there and keep firing. These guns sure do sound a lot more effective don't they?

For what the common person can get their hands on, guns are the best weapon to kill, and every gun owner knows that. They can bring up knives, baseball bats, cars, whatever they want to try and make everything sound dangerous, but when you want to kill as much as possible just admit the gun is your first choice.

[welfare]

For what the common person can get their hands on, guns are the best weapon to kill, and every gun owner knows that. They can bring up knives, baseball bats, cars, whatever they want to try and make everything sound dangerous, but when you want to kill as much as possible just admit the gun is your first choice.

You can make e.coli pretty easily. Cyanide. A gram of botulinum can kill up to 80,000 people quietly.
Or you can make yourself one of these :fuckyea:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmr6jIpXSmg

[Manic!]

You can make e.coli pretty easily. Cyanide. A gram of botulinum can kill up to 80,000 people quietly.
Or you can make yourself one of these :fuckyea:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmr6jIpXSmg

How are you going to spread e.coli to 80000 people?FailFish

[kr4l]

As a gun owner who recently purchased one of the guns on the ban list, I could care less if they they it back as long as they pay me what I purchased it for.

BUT, to think this makes our country any safer from gun violence is laughable

[Manic!]

As a gun owner who recently purchased one of the guns on the ban list, I could care less if they they it back as long as they pay me what I purchased it for.

BUT, to think this makes our country any safer from gun violence is laughable

It's laughable you think the number of guns/types in Canada will make absolutely no difference either way.

[welfare]

How are you going to spread e.coli to 80000 people?FailFish

Water reservoir, large scale bakery, meat processing plant, etc, etc.
You could probably make a deadly toxin out of household items and spread it through an hvac system.
The materials are readily available. not that complicated. Would take more will than brains.

[Manic!]

Water reservoir, large scale bakery, meat processing plant, etc, etc.
You could probably make a deadly toxin out of household items and spread it through an hvac system.
The materials are readily available. not that complicated. Would take more will than brains.

All those places have safeguards in place. Also e.cole mainly kills the old and the young. You are not going to kill 80k people with e.coli not even close. Keep dreaming.


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/e-coli/symptoms-causes/syc-20372058

Overview

Escherichia coli (E. coli) bacteria normally live in the intestines of healthy people and animals. Most varieties of E. coli are harmless or cause relatively brief diarrhea. But a few particularly nasty strains, such as E. coli O157:H7, can cause severe abdominal cramps, bloody diarrhea and vomiting.

You may be exposed to E. coli from contaminated water or food — especially raw vegetables and undercooked ground beef. Healthy adults usually recover from infection with E. coli O157:H7 within a week, but young children and older adults have a greater risk of developing a life-threatening form of kidney failure called hemolytic uremic syndrome.
Symptoms

Signs and symptoms of E. coli O157:H7 infection typically begin three or four days after exposure to the bacteria, though you may become ill as soon as one day after to more than a week later. Signs and symptoms include:

Diarrhea, which may range from mild and watery to severe and bloody
Abdominal cramping, pain or tenderness
Nausea and vomiting, in some people

[welfare]

All those places have safeguards in place. Also e.cole mainly kills the old and the young. You are not going to kill 80k people with e.coli not even close. Keep dreaming.


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/e-coli/symptoms-causes/syc-20372058

Are those safeguards going to stop someone who works there?
And does it need to kill 80000 people before you find it dangerous? What about 30? 20? 15?
The point is we live in a world largely based on trust. There is absolutely no law that is going to prevent an average Joe, who isn't on anyone's radar, from carrying out what he wills himself to do. Regardless of how prohibitive your laws are, the police will always be there after the fact because up until that point, he was a law abiding citizen.
It may be unsettling to realize you have no control over that. But it's the truth nonetheless.

[68style]

It’s okay, arguing with a bunch of city folk is meaningless anyway.

LOL seriously where did we dig this guy up from? What a throwback... did you gleek some chewing tobacco into a spitoon as you typed this? :lol

[Manic!]

Are those safeguards going to stop someone who works there?
And does it need to kill 80000 people before you find it dangerous? What about 30? 20? 15?
The point is we live in a world largely based on trust. There is absolutely no law that is going to prevent an average Joe, who isn't on anyone's radar, from carrying out what he wills himself to do. Regardless of how prohibitive your laws are, the police will always be there after the fact because up until that point, he was a law abiding citizen.
It may be unsettling to realize you have no control over that. But it's the truth nonetheless.


You think a single person is going to be able to poison drinking water? Water treatment plants have sensors and multiple redundantces in place. You would also have to put in a substantial amount of e.coli into the water system to kill someone. An amount you could not Carry in a back pack.

[twitchyzero]

what's ownership without the kalashnikov

[Hondaracer]

As a gun owner who recently purchased one of the guns on the ban list, I could care less if they they it back as long as they pay me what I purchased it for.

BUT, to think this makes our country any safer from gun violence is laughable

you almost certainly will not get the value you paid for said gun, even if you had everything in order down to receipts and statements etc. Paying full value is not in the libs plan.

[Manic!]

you almost certainly will not get the value you paid for said gun, even if you had everything in order down to receipts and statements etc. Paying full value is not in the libs plan.

That would be like ICBC paying you the MSRP for your 10-year-old car that got totaled.

[Hondaracer]

That would be like ICBC paying you the MSRP for your 10-year-old car that got totaled.

Unlike vehicles firearms actually tend to retain their value very well. In some cases like higher end over/under shotguns, rifles, and hand guns, many actually go up over time

Why would anyone in their right mind turn in a gun to get pennies on the dollar when no one knows they have it?

[welfare]

You think a single person is going to be able to poison drinking water? Water treatment plants have sensors and multiple redundantces in place. You would also have to put in a substantial amount of e.coli into the water system to kill someone. An amount you could not Carry in a back pack.

You keep focusing on e.coli. Just like all of your arguments, you take one fragment, single it out, and act as if that's definitive.
There are probably half a dozen other home brews i could think of just off the top of my head. And equally as many ways to administer them. And that's without even thinking about it.

[blkgsr]

Is there a full list yet of the guns the government just took from us?

[Manic!]

You keep focusing on e.coli. Just like all of your arguments, you take one fragment, single it out, and act as if that's definitive.
There are probably half a dozen other home brews i could think of just off the top of my head. And equally as many ways to administer them. And that's without even thinking about it.

Then list them. I think you have been watching too many movies.

[Hondaracer]

So in the press release the say they estimate there are 11,500 of these guns in Canada:

https://www.cabelas.ca/product/107485/csa-vz58-sporter-semi-automatic-rifle

How would they know? It’s unrestricted, there’s no paper trail on sales, there’s -zero- tracking of these guns. Typical.

Also to think this is banned:

https://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/CabelasCA/174438-221835?wid=460&amp;hei=460

But this isn’t:

https://durhamoutdoors.ca/assets/images/products/148_2.jpg

Shows how out of touch they are.

One is metal though so it’s wayyyy scarier.

[welfare]

Then list them. I think you have been watching too many movies.

Ricin
E.coli
Potato poison
Cyanide

Again, just off the top of my head.
Not exactly the predominant choice of weapon for movies. Guns on the other hand LUL

[MarkyMark]

Most mass shooters aren't basement chemists. There's a reason we see more mass shootings and less Timothy McVeighs. Stop giving mass shooters so much damn credit, the majority are fucking dumb and these are the people we want to stop.

Sorry guys, dumb people are the cause of so many rules that we have to follow, it's not limited to just guns.

[Manic!]

Ricin
E.coli
Potato poison
Cyanide

Again, just off the top of my head.
Not exactly the predominant choice of weapon for movies. Guns on the other hand LUL


Are you serious?
Here is a list of ricin attacks. It doesn't work that well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_involving_ricin



The

[68style]

Are we really having a multi page discussion on theoretical ways to poison the water supply/kill mass numbers of people?

I mean, unless you really want to get on a doc with CSIS I really see no point to this back and forth.

[68style]

I’m no fan of guns and think it’s a stupid hobby (and am aware many people also think my hobbies are stupid) but even I can say the list I saw is poorly researched and doesn’t have much expertise contributed to it. It’s like they just decided certain names of guns sound scary and put them on.

[MarkyMark]

If they are in fact wanting people to hand in certain types of guns they should at least step up and pay people what they are worth. It's absurd to expect people who bought something legally to give it back and not be properly compensated for it.

[68style]

Yah if anything it should be grandfathered like strata rules when they change... you already own one cool just no new sales or whatever

[Hondaracer]

I realize guns are “scary” and kill people. However, for a collector or enthusiast I don’t really see how it’s any different than collecting watches or any other frivolous hobby

There’s actually a fair bit of mechanical beauty and machining in higher end stuff and some of the higher end shotguns and handguns are virtually peices of art in their own right.

I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo

https://i.imgur.com/zlCH2vO.jpg

[winson604]

If they are in fact wanting people to hand in certain types of guns they should at least step up and pay people what they are worth. It's absurd to expect people who bought something legally to give it back and not be properly compensated for it.

Not only that but what about all the furniture I bought for my gun that is now useless? Even though I'd be sad, if I can get fair compensation for all the stuff I bought then fine whatever, at least I can use the same money and buy something else but if you're giving me less than what I paid for the gun and then all the furniture is now worthless that doesn't sit very well, not like any of this sits well anyway.

[underscore]

I’m no fan of guns and think it’s a stupid hobby (and am aware many people also think my hobbies are stupid) but even I can say the list I saw is poorly researched and doesn’t have much expertise contributed to it. It’s like they just decided certain names of guns sound scary and put them on.

Where's the list? I can find articles saying it's effective today but nowhere do they have it. Putting the debate of the ban itself aside it's odd to tell people they can't use anything on a list that you haven't given them.

I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo

Clearly you haven't seen From Russia With Love.

[MarkyMark]

I realize guns are “scary” and kill people. However, for a collector or enthusiast I don’t really see how it’s any different than collecting watches or any other frivolous hobby

There’s actually a fair bit of mechanical beauty and machining in higher end stuff and some of the higher end shotguns and handguns are virtually peices of art in their own right.

I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo



Basically because dumb people with watches don't harm anyone, and their primary function isn't to kill people. All these dangerous things people list like cars, knives etc. Their primary function is for something else, and we need them in our day to day lives. A gun doesn't fit that category. The only purpose they serve is to kill, and some people like to shoot them as a hobby. That's all they are good for.

[stewie]

Is there a full list yet of the guns the government just took from us?

Banned list (http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2020/2020-05-01-x3/html/sor-dors96-eng.html)


Best I can find!

[Hondaracer]

Also the fact that they are “illegal to trade” yet continue to be legal to own is pretty funny

So a govt. that has no idea who has what is going to stop the trade of these guns between people who have no obligation to disclose a transaction nor does anyone have to report they have them or prove they owned them prior to the ban, well done. Another fine piece of legislation.

Personally I’d probably never risk it from a random in case it was some sort of sting operation but I’d be more than willing to buy one of these guns from a friend or trusted source

[Manic!]

I realize guns are “scary” and kill people. However, for a collector or enthusiast I don’t really see how it’s any different than collecting watches or any other frivolous hobby

There’s actually a fair bit of mechanical beauty and machining in higher end stuff and some of the higher end shotguns and handguns are virtually peices of art in their own right.

I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo

https://i.imgur.com/zlCH2vO.jpg
If all your going to do is hang them on the wall just make them so they don't fire. Problem solved.

[welfare]

Are we really having a multi page discussion on theoretical ways to poison the water supply/kill mass numbers of people?

I mean, unless you really want to get on a doc with CSIS I really see no point to this back and forth.

Well when certain members make it a point to pick and choose minor technicalities out of a broad statement, while intentionally glossing over the bigger meaning, these discussions tend to drag on.

About the only argument I've seen on gun control that has validity is the basis that less legal guns equals less illegal guns. Of course that penalizes those that ought not be penalized.
And unfortunately when 75% of our illegal guns come from across the border, stricter laws against Canadian gun owners will have very little effect.
It's much more efficient to focus on apprehension of illegal guns from criminals.

Honest question: has this government proposed or passed any legislation that focuses on the use of illegal firearms or those in possession of illegal firearms since they've been in power?
Mandatory sentencing, stiffer penalties, etc..?
Legitimately curious.

[underscore]

The site kept crashing but this is from a buddy who could get it to load

The Regulations have been amended to prescribe as prohibited approximately 1 500 models of firearms. Of those, nine principal models of assault-style firearms are prohibited as they (1) have semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical/military design with large magazine capacity), (2) are of modern design, and (3) are present in large volumes in the Canadian market.

The Regulations prescribe the firearms set out below as “prohibited firearms” and also specifically prescribe the known variants of the principal models:

M16, AR-10, and AR-15 rifles and M4 carbine;
Ruger Mini-14 rifle;
US Rifle M14;
Vz58 rifle;
Robinson Armament XCR rifle;
CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbines and pistols;
Beretta Cx4 Storm carbine;
SIG Sauer SIG MCX and SIG Sauer SIG MPX carbine and pistol; and
Swiss Arms Classic Green and Four Seasons series (as specified in former Bill C-71: An Act to amend certain Acts and Regulations in relation to firearms).
Also included are two new categories of firearms that exceed safe civilian use. These are characterized by the following physical attributes: a 20 mm bore or greater (e.g. grenade launcher) and the capacity to discharge a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10 000 joules (e.g. a .50 calibre BMG). These weapons are primarily designed to produce mass human casualties or cause significant property damage at long ranges, and the potential power of these weapons exceeds safe or legitimate civilian use.
The Regulations also prescribe the upper receivers of M16, AR-10, AR-15 and M4 pattern firearms to be prohibited devices in order to ensure that these firearms cannot easily be used with illicitly manufactured or acquired lower receivers. The M16, AR-10, AR-15 and M4 firearms are modular firearms consisting of the lower receiver assembly, which is the component bearing the serial number and subject to registration that is now prohibited; and the upper receiver assembly, which is the pressure bearing component and has not previously been regulated. An owner could possess two or more upper receiver assemblies which can be mounted and dismounted on a lower receiver assembly according to the needs of the occasion. If upper receivers are not also prohibited, there is a significant public safety risk that the upper receiver assemblies would be mated with an illegal lower receiver (i.e. smuggled, made from a receiver blank, or manufactured by 3D printing to supply the illegal market) thus creating unmarked, untraceable M16, AR-10, AR-15 or M4 firearms, commonly known as “ghost guns.” Prohibiting the upper receiver of these rifles will reduce the quantities in circulation and render it much more difficult to illicitly fabricate working firearms.

Kind of what I was expecting, using things like listing every variant to have a long list that sounds good to non-gun people.

[stewie]

The site kept crashing but this is from a buddy who could get it to load



Kind of what I was expecting, using things like listing every variant to have a long list that sounds good to non-gun people.

site works for me


Regulations Amending the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted: SOR/2020-96
Canada Gazette, Part II, Volume 154, Extra Number 3

Registration

SOR/2020-96 May 1, 2020

CRIMINAL CODE

P.C. 2020-298 May 1, 2020

Whereas the Governor in Council is not of the opinion that any thing prescribed to be a prohibited firearm or a prohibited device, in the Annexed Regulations, is reasonable for use in Canada for hunting or sporting purposes;

Therefore, Her Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, pursuant to the definitions “non-restricted firearm”footnote a, “prohibited device”footnote b, “prohibited firearm”footnote b and “restricted firearm”footnote b in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Codefootnote c and to subsection 117.15(1)footnote b of that Act, makes the annexed Regulations Amending the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted.

Regulations Amending the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted
Amendments
1 The title of the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restrictedfootnote 1 is replaced by the following:

Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted

2 Sections 3.1 to 3.2 of the Regulations are repealed.

3 (1) Item 83 of Part 1 of the schedule to the Regulations is replaced by the following:

83 The firearms of the designs commonly known as the SG-550 rifle and SG-551 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the SAN Swiss Arms

(a) Aestas;
(b) Autumnus;
(c) Black Special;
(d) Black Special Carbine;
(e) Black Special CQB;
(f) Black Special Target;
(g) Blue Star;
(h) Classic Green;
(i) Classic Green Carbine;
(j) Classic Green CQB;
(k) Classic Green Sniper;
(l) Heavy Metal;
(m) Hiemis;
(n) Red Devil;
(o) Swiss Arms Edition; and
(p) Ver.
(2) Part 1 of the schedule to the Regulations is amended by adding the following after item 86:

Other
87 The firearms of the designs commonly known as the M16, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles and the M4 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them — other than one referred to in item 47, 49 or 50 of this Part — including the

(a) 2 Vets Arms 2VA-10;
(b) 2 Vets Arms 2VA-15;
(c) Accuracy Systems A-15 Custom Edition LR Tech Tactical;
(d) Adams Arms AA15;
(e) Adams Arms AASF-308;
(f) Adams Arms Multical;
(g) ADC ADC234;
(h) ADC ADC253;
(i) Adcor Defense A556 Elite GI;
(j) Adcor Defense ADC15;
(k) Adcor Defense B.E.A.R.;
(l) Adcor Defense Elite;
(m) Addax Tactical ADDAX-ZK;
(n) Addax Tactical AT-15;
(o) AdeQ Firearms L-Tac;
(p) AdeQ Firearms Paladin;
(q) AdeQ Firearms Venator;
(r) Advanced Armament Corporation MPW;
(s) Advanced Armaments Incorporated M15;
(t) Aero Precision A15;
(u) Aero Precision AP15;
(v) Aero Precision G15 Ghost Gun;
(w) Aero Precision H15;
(x) Aero Precision M4 Carbine;
(y) Aero Precision M4E1;
(z) Aero Precision M5;
(z.001) Aero Precision M16A4;
(z.002) Aero Precision Pistol;
(z.003) Aero Precision P-15 PEW;
(z.004) Aero Precision STS15;
(z.005) Aero Precision X15;
(z.006) Airtronic DMR;
(z.007) Alamo Tactical AT-15;
(z.008) Alberta Tactical Rifle AT15;
(z.009) Alexander Arms AAR15;
(z.01) Alexander Arms AAR15 Beowulf;
(z.011) Alexander Arms AAR15 Beowulf Overwatch;
(z.012) Alexander Arms AAR15 Genghis;
(z.013) Alexander Arms AAR15 Grendel;
(z.014) Alexander Arms AAR15 Grendel Overwatch;
(z.015) Alexander Arms AAR17;
(z.016) Alien Armory UFO-10;
(z.017) Ambush Firearms A11;
(z.018) Ameetec Arms AM-15 General;
(z.019) Ameetec Arms AM-15 Modular;
(z.02) Ameetec Arms AM-15 M4 Tactical Master;
(z.021) Ameetec Arms AM-15 Standard Tactical;
(z.022) Ameetec Arms AM-15 Standard Varmint;
(z.023) Ameetec Arms AM-15 Tactical Predator;
(z.024) Ameetec Arms AM-15 Varmint Master;
(z.025) Ameetec Arms AM-15 9MM;
(z.026) Ameetec Arms WM-15;
(z.027) America Remembers Colt AR15A2 Match HBar Vietnam Commemorative;
(z.028) American Defense Manufacturing UICH;
(z.029) American Defense Manufacturing UIC 10A;
(z.03) American Historical Foundation Colt AR15A2 Sporter Match HBar Vietnam Tribute Special Edition;
(z.031) American Historical Foundation Colt AR15A2 Sporter Target Operation Desert Storm Commemorative;
(z.032) American Precision Arms A15;
(z.033) American Spirit Arms ASA15;
(z.034) American Spirit Arms ASA15 Pistol;
(z.035) American Spirit Arms ASA308;
(z.036) American Spirit Arms Canadian Carbine;
(z.037) American Tactical Imports AT-15;
(z.038) American Tactical Imports ATI-15;
(z.039) American Tactical Imports MilSport;
(z.04) American Tactical Imports MilSport Canadian;
(z.041) American Tactical Imports Omni;
(z.042) American Tactical Imports Omni Hybrid;
(z.043) American Tactical Imports Omni Hybrid Pistol;
(z.044) American Tactical Imports T14;
(z.045) Anderson Manufacturing AM-10;
(z.046) Anderson Manufacturing AM-15;
(z.047) Angstadt Arms JACK9;
(z.048) Anvil Arms AA15;
(z.049) Area 53 El Capitan;
(z.05) Area 53 El Jefe;
(z.051) Ares Defense Systems Ares-15;
(z.052) Ares Defense Systems Ares-15 MCR;
(z.053) Ares Defense Systems Ares-15 MCR Sub-Carbine;
(z.054) Ares Defense Systems SCR;
(z.055) AR Five Seven AR15;
(z.056) AR Five Seven AR57 LEM;
(z.057) AR Five Seven AR57A1 PDW;
(z.058) Armalite AR-10A;
(z.059) Armalite AR-10A2;
(z.06) Armalite AR-10A4;
(z.061) Armalite AR-10B;
(z.062) Armalite AR-10 KLM;
(z.063) Armalite AR-10 Magnum;
(z.064) Armalite AR-10NM;
(z.065) Armalite AR-10T;
(z.066) Armalite AR-102 Sporter;
(z.067) Armalite M4C Carbine;
(z.068) Armalite M15;
(z.069) Armalite M15A2;
(z.07) Armalite M15A4;
(z.071) Armalite M15A4 T;
(z.072) Armalite M15 Pistol;
(z.073) Armalite SPR Mod 1;
(z.074) Armalite SPR Mod 2;
(z.075) Armalite SPR Mod 2A;
(z.076) Armalite AR-10 Pistol;
(z.077) Armi Jager AP15;
(z.078) Armi Jager AP74;
(z.079) Armitage International BR-15-A6S;
(z.08) Armscorp AC-15;
(z.081) Arms East N8S;
(z.082) Armtech X;
(z.083) Ascend Armory A15;
(z.084) AR15 Chatterbox CB-15;
(z.085) AR15.Com ARFCOM;
(z.086) AR15.Com AR15.Com;
(z.087) AXTS AX556;
(z.088) Badrock Tactical BR10;
(z.089) Badrock Tactical BR15;
(z.09) Bartlett Enterprises 1202009;
(z.091) Barrett Firearms M468;
(z.092) Barrett Firearms REC7;
(z.093) Barrett Firearms REC10;
(z.094) Battle Arms Development BAD-PDW;
(z.095) Battle Arms Development BAD-15;
(z.096) Battle Arms Development BAD556-LW;
(z.097) Battle Rifle Company BR15;
(z.098) Battle Rifle Company BR16;
(z.099) Battle Rifle Company BR308;
(z.1) BCI Defense SQS-15;
(z.101) BCM Rifle Company BCM4;
(z.102) BCM Rifle Company M4A1;
(z.103) Bean Firearms BFC-15A;
(z.104) Bear Creek Arsenal BCA15;
(z.105) Black Creek Labs BCL15;
(z.106) Black Creek Labs BCL102;
(z.107) Black Creek Labs BCL102B;
(z.108) Black Dawn BDR-15;
(z.109) Black Forge BF15;
(z.11) Blackheart International BHI-15;
(z.111) Black Leaf Industries BL10;
(z.112) Black Leaf Industries BL10B Prototype;
(z.113) Black Leaf Industries BL15;
(z.114) Black Rain Ordnance Fallout 10;
(z.115) Black Rain Ordnance Fallout 15;
(z.116) Black Rain Ordnance SPEC15;
(z.117) Black Rifle Company BRC15B;
(z.118) Blackwater BW-15;
(z.119) Black Weapons Armory BWA-15;
(z.12) Blue Line BL-15LE1;
(z.121) Boberg CDH-15;
(z.122) Bohica M16SA;
(z.123) BPM BP15;
(z.124) BPM CQB-10;
(z.125) BPM LR-10;
(z.126) Breda B4;
(z.127) Brownell’s BRN-16A1;
(z.128) Brownell’s BRN-601;
(z.129) Brownell’s XBRN16E1;
(z.13) Bushmaster Carbon 15;
(z.131) Bushmaster XM15E2S;
(z.132) Bushmaster XM15E2S Law Enforcement;
(z.133) Bushmaster XM15E2S M4;
(z.134) Bushmaster XM15E2S M4GP;
(z.135) Bushmaster XM15E2S Predator;
(z.136) Bushmaster XM15E2S Varminter;
(z.137) Bushmaster XM15E2S 450 Bushmaster;
(z.138) Bushmaster XM15E2S DCM Competition Rifle;
(z.139) Bushmaster Bushmaster 308;
(z.14) Bushmaster BAR-10;
(z.141) Bushmaster XM15E2S V Match;
(z.142) Bushmaster BR-308;
(z.143) C3 Defense C3-15;
(z.144) Cadex AR15 Karpat SPVM;
(z.145) Cadex CDX-10;
(z.146) Cadex CDX-15;
(z.147) Calguns AR15;
(z.148) Canstar Arms AR 338 Lapua;
(z.149) Cavalry Arms CAV-15;
(z.15) Cavalry Arms CAV-15 MARK 2;
(z.151) Cavalry Arms CAV-15 Rifleman;
(z.152) Centurion Arms C4;
(z.153) Centurion Tactical CT-15;
(z.154) Century Arms C15A1 Sporter;
(z.155) Century Arms C15 Sporter;
(z.156) Century International Arms Centurion 15 Sporter;
(z.157) Charles Daly Defense CDD-15;
(z.158) Chiappa Firearms M Four-22;
(z.159) Chiappa Firearms M Four-22 Pistol;
(z.16) Chirstensen Arms Carbon CA-10 DMR;
(z.161) Christensen Arms Carbon CA-10 G2;
(z.162) Christensen Arms Carbon CA-10 Recon;
(z.163) Christensen Arms Carbon CA-15;
(z.164) Christensen Arms Carbon CA-15 Predator;
(z.165) Christensen Arms Carbon CA-15 Recon;
(z.166) Christensen Arms Carbon CA TAC 10;
(z.167) Clark Custom Guns Gator;
(z.168) CLE MR15;
(z.169) CMMG Mod4SA;
(z.17) CMMG MK3;
(z.171) CMMG MK-4;
(z.172) CMMG MK-5;
(z.173) CMMG MK-8;
(z.174) CMMG MK-9;
(z.175) CMMG MKG-45;
(z.176) CMMG MKW-15;
(z.177) CMT LT-15;
(z.178) Cobalt Kinetics BAMF;
(z.179) Cobalt Kinetics CARS;
(z.18) Cobb MCR;
(z.181) Cobb MCR 30-06 SPRG 100th Anniversary Commemorative;
(z.182) Colt AR15A2 Sporter 2;
(z.183) Colt AR15;
(z.184) Colt AR15 SP1;
(z.185) Colt AR15A2 Match Target Lightweight;
(z.186) Colt AR15A2 Government;
(z.187) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Delta HBar;
(z.188) Colt AR15A2 Government Carbine;
(z.189) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Competition HBar;
(z.19) Colt AR15A2 Match Target HBar;
(z.191) Colt AR15A2;
(z.192) Colt AR15A2 Sporter HBar;
(z.193) Colt AR15 Match HBar;
(z.194) Colt AR15 Sporter;
(z.195) Colt M4 Carbine Match Target;
(z.196) Colt AR15A2 Match Target Target Model;
(z.197) Colt AR15A3 Tactical Carbine;
(z.198) Colt AR15A3 Match Target Competition HBar;
(z.199) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Match Target Competition HBar 2;
(z.2) Colt AR15 Sporter Lightweight;
(z.201) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Match Target Lightweight;
(z.202) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Target;
(z.203) Colt AR15A2 Government Target;
(z.204) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Match Target HBar;
(z.205) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Match Delta HBar;
(z.206) Colt AR15A2 Match Delta HBar;
(z.207) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Match Target Competition HBar;
(z.208) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Competition HBar Range Selected;
(z.209) Colt AR15A2 Match Target Competition HBar 2;
(z.21) Colt CAR15A3 HBar Elite;
(z.211) Colt AR15 9MM Carbine;
(z.212) Colt AR15A2 Carbine;
(z.213) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Match HBar;
(z.214) Colt Colts Law Enforcement Carbine;
(z.215) Colt C7CT;
(z.216) Colt C7A1;
(z.217) Colt C7A2;
(z.218) Colt IUR;
(z.219) Colt M4 Carbine Sporter;
(z.22) Colt Modular Carbine;
(z.221) Colt M4A1 Carbine;
(z.222) Colt M4 Carbine;
(z.223) Colt SA15.7;
(z.224) Colt SA20;
(z.225) Colt AR-15A4;
(z.226) Colt AR15A4 Lightweight LE Carbine;
(z.227) Colt AR15 M16A1;
(z.228) Colt AR15 Target Model;
(z.229) Colt M4LE;
(z.23) Colt M4 Light Carbine;
(z.231) Colt M16 Rifle;
(z.232) Colt M16 SPR;
(z.233) Colt M16A2;
(z.234) Colt AR15A2 Sporter Carbine;
(z.235) Colt M16A2 Carbine;
(z.236) Colt SMG;
(z.237) Colt Competition CCR Competition;
(z.238) Colt Competition CSR Sporting;
(z.239) Combat Shooters BMF;
(z.24) Conquest Arms CA-15;
(z.241) Core Core-15;
(z.242) Cross Machine Tool UHP-15;
(z.243) Cross Machine Tool UHP15A;
(z.244) Cross Machine Tool UHP15H;
(z.245) Cross Machine Tool UHP15-PDW;
(z.246) Cross Machine Tool UHP15SSA;
(z.247) Cross Machine Tool UHP-10;
(z.248) Dalphon BFD;
(z.249) Dane Armory DAR-15;
(z.25) Daniel Defense DD-15;
(z.251) Daniel Defense M4 Carbine;
(z.252) Daniel Defense DD MK762;
(z.253) Daniel Defense DDM4;
(z.254) Daniel Defense DD5;
(z.255) Daniel Defense M4 Carbine Pistol;
(z.256) Dark Storm Industries DS-15;
(z.257) Defiance DMK22;
(z.258) Defiance Machine XG14;
(z.259) Delaware Machinery AR15;
(z.26) Delphi Tactical Delphi-15;
(z.261) Dennys Guns DG-AR16;
(z.262) Desert Ordnance XM4 Rifle;
(z.263) Detroit Gun Works DGW15;
(z.264) Devil Dog Arms DDA-15B;
(z.265) Devil Dog Arms DDA-10B;
(z.266) Dez Arms DTA-10;
(z.267) Diamondback Firearms DB-10;
(z.268) Diamondback Firearms DB-15;
(z.269) Diemaco Rifle C10;
(z.27) Diemaco Rifle Experimental 84;
(z.271) Dlask Arms AR15 Type;
(z.272) Dlask Arms DAR701;
(z.273) Dlask Arms DAR701 Canada 150 Birthday;
(z.274) Dlask Arms PAC-5;
(z.275) Dominion Arms DA556;
(z.276) Double Star Star-15;
(z.277) Double Star Star-15 Carbine;
(z.278) Double Star Star-15 Super Match Rifle;
(z.279) Double Star Star-15 CritterSlayer;
(z.28) Double Star Star-15 Expedition Rifle;
(z.281) Double Star Star-15 Dissipator;
(z.282) Double Star Star-15 Target Rifle;
(z.283) Double Star Star-15 Lightweight Tactical;
(z.284) Double Star Star-15 Pistol;
(z.285) Double Star Star-10B;
(z.286) Dow FAL-15;
(z.287) DPMS A-15;
(z.288) DPMS A-15 Panther Bull;
(z.289) DPMS A-15 Panther Bull Twenty-Four;
(z.29) DPMS A-15 Panther Bull Twenty-Four Special;
(z.291) DPMS A-15 Panther Bull Twenty-Four Super;
(z.292) DPMS A-15 Panther Bulldog;
(z.293) DPMS A-15 Panther Bull Sixteen;
(z.294) DPMS A-15 Panther Bull SST Sixteen;
(z.295) DPMS A-15 Panther Bull Classic;
(z.296) DPMS A-15 Panther Prairie;
(z.297) DPMS A-15 Panther Arctic;
(z.298) DPMS A-15 Panther Classic;
(z.299) DPMS A-15 Panther DCM;
(z.3) DPMS A-15 Panther Southpaw;
(z.301) DPMS A-15 Panther Classic Sixteen;
(z.302) DPMS A-15 Panther Kitty Kat;
(z.303) DPMS A-15 Panther Carbine;
(z.304) DPMS A-15 Panther Race Gun;
(z.305) DPMS A-15 Panther Tactical;
(z.306) DPMS A-15 Panther Classic Lo-Pro;
(z.307) DPMS LR-308 Panther;
(z.308) DPMS A-15 Panther Carbine M-4;
(z.309) DPMS A-15 Panther Lite;
(z.31) DPMS A-15 Panther Tuber;
(z.311) DPMS LR-300 Panther;
(z.312) DPMS A-15 Panther 20th Anniversary;
(z.313) DPMS LR-243 Panther;
(z.314) DPMS LR-260 Panther;
(z.315) DPMS LR-204 Panther;
(z.316) DPMS LR-30S Panther;
(z.317) DPMS A-15 Panther Pardus;
(z.318) DPMS LR-338 Panther;
(z.319) DPMS LR-6.5 Panther;
(z.32) DPMS A-15 Panther Sportical;
(z.321) DPMS A-15 Panther The Agency;
(z.322) DPMS A-15 Panther CSAT;
(z.323) DPMS A-15 Panther LBR Carbine;
(z.324) DPMS A-15 Panther Hunter;
(z.325) DPMS A-15 Panther 300 Blackout;
(z.326) DPMS LR-G2 Panther;
(z.327) DPMS A-15 Panther VRS Single Shot;
(z.328) DPMS A-15 Panther Pump Rifle;
(z.329) DPMS A-15 Panther 22;
(z.33) DPMS A-15 Panther VAS Single Shot;
(z.331) DPMS A-150 Panther;
(z.332) DPMS G2;
(z.333) DRD Paratus;
(z.334) DRD M762;
(z.335) DRD CDR-15;
(z.336) DRD Kivaari;
(z.337) DRD D8;
(z.338) DSA Incorporated ZM4;
(z.339) DTI DTI-15;
(z.34) Dynamic Arms Research (DAR) DAR-10;
(z.341) Dynamic Arms Research (DAR) DAR-15;
(z.342) E3 Arms Omega-15;
(z.343) Eagle Arms Division of Armalite AR-10;
(z.344) Eagle Arms Division of Armalite Eagle-15;
(z.345) Eagle Arms Division of Armalite M15;
(z.346) Eagle Arms Division of Armalite M15A2;
(z.347) Eagle Arms Division of Armalite M15A3;
(z.348) Eagle Arms Division of Armalite M15P;
(z.349) Eagle Arms Incorporated EA-15;
(z.35) EDs Tactical Armory 2A;
(z.351) Elite Machining GRX15;
(z.352) Emtan EM-15;
(z.353) Enfield Rifle Company MERC415;
(z.354) EP Armory AR15/M16 Type;
(z.355) Essential Arms Company J15;
(z.356) Essential Arms Company J15F;
(z.357) Essential Arms Company J15-2;
(z.358) F&D Defense FD308;
(z.359) F-1 Firearms BDR-10 CA;
(z.36) F-1 Firearms BDR-10-3G CA;
(z.361) F-1 Firearms BDR-15 CA;
(z.362) F-1 Firearms BDR-15-3G CA;
(z.363) F-1 Firearms FDR-15 CA;
(z.364) F-1 Firearms UDR-15-3G;
(z.365) Falkor Defense FD-15A;
(z.366) Faxon Firearms ARAK-21 XRS;
(z.367) Ferfrans SOACR;
(z.368) Fightlite Industries MCR;
(z.369) Firebird Precision Firearms FPX-15;
(z.37) FMK AR-1 Patriot;
(z.371) FMK AR1 Extreme;
(z.372) FN FNX-01;
(z.373) FN FN15;
(z.374) FN FN15 Carbine;
(z.375) FN FN15 Rifle;
(z.376) Fortis Manufacturing FM15;
(z.377) Frankford Arsenal XM-177E2;
(z.378) Franklin Armory F17-L;
(z.379) Franklin Armory F17-V4;
(z.38) Franklin Armory HSC-15;
(z.381) Franklin Armory Libertas;
(z.382) Fulton Armory FAR-15;
(z.383) Fulton Armory FAR-308;
(z.384) GA Precision GAP-10;
(z.385) GA Precision GAP-10 G2;
(z.386) Gilboa Shorty 7;
(z.387) Gilboa Commando 11.5;
(z.388) Gilboa SMG;
(z.389) Gilboa M-43;
(z.39) Gilboa Carabine 14.5;
(z.391) Gilboa DMR;
(z.392) Gilboa Snake;
(z.393) GPI Manufacturing SLR15;
(z.394) Grande Armeria Camuna (GAC) GAC-15;
(z.395) Grey Ghost Precision GGP-SBL;
(z.396) Grey Ghost Precision GGP-S Grim;
(z.397) Grey Ghost Precision GGP-S Heavy;
(z.398) Grey Ghost Precision GGP-SLF;
(z.399) Grey Ghost Precision GGP-S Light;
(z.4) Grey Ghost Precision Specter Light;
(z.401) GT Virtual Concepts GT15;
(z.402) GTO Core-15;
(z.403) GTO Hard Core 15;
(z.404) Gun Room Company Noreen Bad News;
(z.405) Gunwerks WY15;
(z.406) Haenel CR223;
(z.407) Haenel CR308;
(z.408) Hayes Custom Guns H15;
(z.409) Head Down HD-15;
(z.41) Heckler & Koch HK416D;
(z.411) Heckler & Koch HK417;
(z.412) Heckler & Koch HKM4C;
(z.413) Heckler & Koch MR;
(z.414) Heckler & Koch MR223;
(z.415) Heckler & Koch MR308;
(z.416) Heckler & Koch MR556A1;
(z.417) Heckler & Koch MR762A1;
(z.418) Hera Arms HLS;
(z.419) Hera Arms HCL;
(z.42) Hera Arms HCL9M;
(z.421) Hesse Arms HAR15A2;
(z.422) Hesse Arms HAR15A2 Bull Gun;
(z.423) Hesse Arms HAR15A2 National Match;
(z.424) Hesse Arms HAR15A2 Standard;
(z.425) Hesse Arms HAR25;
(z.426) Hesse Arms Omega Match;
(z.427) High Standard HSA-15;
(z.428) High Standard HSA-15 Crusader;
(z.429) High Standard HSA-15 Enforcer;
(z.43) High Standard HSA-15 Enforcer 300;
(z.431) Hogan Manufacturing H-308;
(z.432) Hogan Manufacturing H223;
(z.433) Hogan Manufacturing H-415;
(z.434) Hogan Manufacturing H-416;
(z.435) Holland Gunworks HGW15;
(z.436) Hughes Precision HR-15F;
(z.437) Huldra MARK 4;
(z.438) Imperial Defence Services M16A3;
(z.439) Interarms ISA-15;
(z.44) Inter Ordnance IO-G9;
(z.441) Intrepid Tactical Solutions RAS-12;
(z.442) Iron City Rifle Works IC-9;
(z.443) Iron City Rifle Works IC-15;
(z.444) Iron Ridge Arms IRA-10D;
(z.445) Irunguns Anarchy;
(z.446) ISSC PAR223 Delta;
(z.447) Jager AP74;
(z.448) Jard J15;
(z.449) JC Weaponry JC Weaponry;
(z.45) JD Machine PR3;
(z.451) Jesse James Firearms Unlimited M4 Carbine;
(z.452) Joe Firearms JOE-15;
(z.453) JP Enterprises JP-15 Match;
(z.454) JP Enterprises JP-15;
(z.455) JP Enterprises JP-15 IPSC Limited Class;
(z.456) JP Enterprises JP-15 NRA Match;
(z.457) JP Enterprises JP-15 Tactical/SOF;
(z.458) JP Enterprises AR-10;
(z.459) JP Enterprises Edge Grade 3;
(z.46) JP Enterprises CTR-02;
(z.461) JP Enterprises LRP-07;
(z.462) JP Enterprises SCR-11;
(z.463) JP Enterprises JPE-15;
(z.464) JP Enterprises MBRG-13;
(z.465) JP Enterprises GMR15;
(z.466) Juggernaut Tactical JT-10;
(z.467) Juggernaut Tactical JT-15;
(z.468) Kaiser Defense Calguns.Net;
(z.469) Kaiser Defense KR5;
(z.47) Kaiser Military Technologies KR7;
(z.471) KE Arms KE-15;
(z.472) Kiss Tactical KISS-15;
(z.473) Kiss Tactical K-15SE;
(z.474) Knights Manufacturing Company SR-15;
(z.475) Kodiak Defence JTF2 Silver Edition;
(z.476) Kodiak Defence KD9;
(z.477) Kodiak Defence KD15;
(z.478) Kodiak Defence Kodiak-15;
(z.479) Kodiak Defence Kodiak-39;
(z.48) Lancer Systems LP L15;
(z.481) Lancer Systems LP L30;
(z.482) Lantac LA-N15;
(z.483) Lantac LA-R15;
(z.484) Lantac LA-SF15;
(z.485) Lantac MK-4;
(z.486) LAR Manufacturing Grizzly-15;
(z.487) LAR Manufacturing AA15;
(z.488) LAR Manufacturing SK15;
(z.489) LaRue Tactical LT-15;
(z.49) LaRue Tactical LT-762;
(z.491) Lauer Custom Weaponry LCW15;
(z.492) Lead Star LSA9;
(z.493) LEI LM7;
(z.494) Leitner-Wise Rifle LW15-7.82;
(z.495) Leitner-Wise Rifle LW15-22;
(z.496) Leitner-Wise Rifle LW15-499;
(z.497) Les Baer Custom Ultimate AR;
(z.498) Les Baer Custom Ultimate;
(z.499) Les Baer Custom Match;
(z.5) Les Baer Custom Match AR;
(z.501) Les Baer Custom Thunder Ranch Special;
(z.502) Les Baer Custom Monolith SWAT;
(z.503) Les Baer Custom AR IPSC Action;
(z.504) Les Baer Custom AR Super Match;
(z.505) LMT Defender 2000;
(z.506) LMT L129A1;
(z.507) LMT LM308MWS;
(z.508) LMT MARS LS;
(z.509) Loki Weapon Systems LWSF;
(z.51) Lone Wolf R & D LWD-AR9G;
(z.511) Lone Wolf R & D LWD-AR9G Pistol;
(z.512) LRB Arms M15SA;
(z.513) Luvo BL-15LE;
(z.514) Luvo BL-15LE1;
(z.515) Luvo LA-15;
(z.516) LWRC SABR;
(z.517) LWRC REPR;
(z.518) LWRC Six8;
(z.519) LWRC CSASS;
(z.52) LWRC REPR MARK 2;
(z.521) LWRC 224 Valkyrie;
(z.522) LWRC M6IC;
(z.523) LWRC M6/M6A2;
(z.524) M2 M16C;
(z.525) M2 M16SP;
(z.526) M2 M16X;
(z.527) M2 M4N;
(z.528) M2 Patrol;
(z.529) M2 M16Z1;
(z.53) MAG Tactical Systems MG-G4;
(z.531) Magpul Armament MPLA;
(z.532) Manta Machining PA15;
(z.533) Manta Machining JH 308-F2;
(z.534) Matrix Aerospace MA-15;
(z.535) Matrix Aerospace M-762;
(z.536) Matrix Aerospace M762-D;
(z.537) Maxim Firearms B7075;
(z.538) McDuffee Arms MAR15;
(z.539) McDuffee Arms MLR308;
(z.54) McKay Enterprises RM16A2;
(z.541) Mega Arms MEGA MA-Ten;
(z.542) Mega Arms GTR-3H;
(z.543) Mega Machine Shop MEGA MMS;
(z.544) Mega Machine Shop MEGA Gator;
(z.545) Mega Machine Shop MEGA GTR-3H;
(z.546) Mega Machine Shop MEGA GTR-3S;
(z.547) Mega Machine Shop MEGA GTR-MA-Ten;
(z.548) Mega Machine Shop MEGA MG-XTR;
(z.549) MG Arms K-Yote;
(z.55) MG Arms Taranis Light;
(z.551) MGI Marck 15;
(z.552) MGO Zombie;
(z.553) Midwest Industries MI-15F;
(z.554) Miller Precision Arms MPA300 Guardian;
(z.555) Miller Precision Arms MPA556;
(z.556) Miller Precision Arms MPA762;
(z.557) Miller Precision Arms MPAR10;
(z.558) Mil-Sport AR15;
(z.559) Mil-Sport AR15 Pistol;
(z.56) Mitchell Arms CAR15/22;
(z.561) Mitchell Arms M16/22;
(z.562) Mitchell Arms M16A1/22;
(z.563) Mitchell Arms M16A3/22;
(z.564) MKE KNT-76;
(z.565) MMC Armory MA-15;
(z.566) MOLOT Vepr-15;
(z.567) Moores Machine Company MMC M4;
(z.568) Mossberg MMR Tactical;
(z.569) Mossberg MMR Hunter;
(z.57) Motiuk Manufacturing MRC-15;
(z.571) MVB Industries MVB-15F;
(z.572) Nemesis Arms 11X10;
(z.573) NEMO Battle Light;
(z.574) NEMO Omen;
(z.575) NEMO Battle Light 1.0;
(z.576) New Frontier Armory C9;
(z.577) New Frontier Armory G-15;
(z.578) New Frontier Armory LW-15;
(z.579) Next Generation Arms MFR;
(z.58) Next Generation Arms MP168 SPC;
(z.581) Next Level Armament NLX556;
(z.582) NoDak Spud NDS-16A1;
(z.583) NoDak Spud NDS-16A2;
(z.584) NoDak Spud NDS-601;
(z.585) NoDak Spud NDS-635;
(z.586) NoDak Spud NDS-XM16E1;
(z.587) Nord Arms NA-308;
(z.588) Nordic Components NC-PCC;
(z.589) Noreen Firearms Noreen Bad News;
(z.59) Noreen Firearms Noreen BN36;
(z.591) Noreen Firearms Noreen BN308;
(z.592) Norinco 311-3;
(z.593) Norinco Type CQ 311;
(z.594) Norinco Type CQ 311-1;
(z.595) Norinco Type CQ Semi-Automatic Rifle;
(z.596) Norinco Type CQ-A Semi-Automatic Rifle;
(z.597) Norinco Type CQ-A-1 Semi-Automatic Rifle;
(z.598) North Eastern Arms NEA-15;
(z.599) North Eastern Arms NEA-15 Pistol;
(z.6) North Eastern Arms NEA-25;
(z.601) North Eastern Arms NEA102;
(z.602) Northtech Defense NT15S;
(z.603) Noveske N4;
(z.604) Noveske N6;
(z.605) Noveske Varmageddon AR;
(z.606) Oberland Arms OA10;
(z.607) Oberland Arms OA15;
(z.608) Olympic Arms PCR;
(z.609) Olympic Arms MFR;
(z.61) Olympic Arms K3B;
(z.611) Olympic Arms K40GL;
(z.612) Olympic Arms K9GL;
(z.613) Olympic Arms LTF;
(z.614) Olympic Arms Plinker Plus;
(z.615) Olympic Arms UM1P Ultramatch;
(z.616) Olympic Arms UMAR;
(z.617) Olympic Arms MPR 308-15;
(z.618) Olympic Arms CAR15 AR;
(z.619) Olympic Arms CAR97;
(z.62) Olympic Arms UM1 Ultramatch;
(z.621) Olympic Arms ML1 Multimatch;
(z.622) Olympic Arms ML2 Multimatch;
(z.623) Olympic Arms K4B;
(z.624) Olympic Arms Bill of Rights Bicentennial Commemorative;
(z.625) Olympic Arms SM1 Servicematch;
(z.626) Olympic Arms Titanium;
(z.627) Olympic Arms Plinker;
(z.628) Olympic Arms FAR-15;
(z.629) Olympic Arms K8;
(z.63) Olympic Arms MQ356;
(z.631) Olympic Arms Vietnam Limited Edition Commemorative;
(z.632) Olympic Arms SM1P Servicematch;
(z.633) Olympic Arms K22 Rimfire Target Match;
(z.634) Palmetto Armory BH15A1;
(z.635) Palmetto State Armory GX-9;
(z.636) Palmetto State Armory PA-10;
(z.637) Palmetto State Armory PA-15;
(z.638) Palmetto State Armory PX9;
(z.639) Palmetto State Armory PX-10;
(z.64) Patriot Defense Arms PDA-15;
(z.641) Performance Engineering SOT-15;
(z.642) Phase 5 Tactical P5T15;
(z.643) Phase 5 Tactical Atlas One;
(z.644) Plumcrazy Firearms C15;
(z.645) POF CMR;
(z.646) POF P-15;
(z.647) POF P300;
(z.648) POF P308;
(z.649) POF P415;
(z.65) POF P416;
(z.651) Poly Technologies Type CQ-A Semi-Automatic Rifle;
(z.652) Precision Firearms PF15;
(z.653) Precision Firearms PF-X08;
(z.654) PWA AR15 Commando;
(z.655) PWA Commando;
(z.656) PWS MARK 1;
(z.657) PWS MARK 2;
(z.658) PWS MARK 1 Modern Musket;
(z.659) PWS PCC9;
(z.66) PWS MARK 1 Pistol;
(z.661) PWS MARK 1 Modern Musket Pistol;
(z.662) PWS MARK 1 Mod 2-M;
(z.663) Q Honey Badger;
(z.664) Quartercircle10 GSF Pistol;
(z.665) Quentin Defense QD-15;
(z.666) Quentin Defense SBR;
(z.667) Quentin Defense ZRT;
(z.668) Radian 1;
(z.669) Radical Firearms RF-15;
(z.67) Radical Firearms RM-15;
(z.671) Radical Firearms RMR-10;
(z.672) Rainier Arms Overthrow;
(z.673) Rainier Arms RB-15;
(z.674) Rainier Arms RB308;
(z.675) Rainier Arms RM-15;
(z.676) Rat Worx M-7;
(z.677) Red River Tactical RRT-TAC15;
(z.678) Red Stag Technologies Red Stag;
(z.679) Remington R15 VTR;
(z.68) Remington LRP-07;
(z.681) Remington R4;
(z.682) Remington R25;
(z.683) Remington R25 G2;
(z.684) Revolution Armory AR-410;
(z.685) RGM Incorporated Marksman;
(z.686) RGuns TRR15;
(z.687) Rhino Arms RA-4;
(z.688) Rhino Arms RA-4R;
(z.689) Rise Armament Ripper;
(z.69) RND Edge;
(z.691) Rock Island Armory M15A1;
(z.692) Rock Island Armory XM15;
(z.693) Rock Island Armory XM15E2;
(z.694) Rock River Arms LAR-15;
(z.695) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Law Enforcement;
(z.696) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Varmint;
(z.697) Rock River Arms LAR-15/9MM;
(z.698) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Pistol;
(z.699) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Elite;
(z.7) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Coyote;
(z.701) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Predator Pursuit;
(z.702) Rock River Arms LAR-458;
(z.703) Rock River Arms LAR-6.8;
(z.704) Rock River Arms LAR-8;
(z.705) Rock River Arms LAR-15 ATH;
(z.706) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Operator;
(z.707) Rock River Arms LAR-8 Operator;
(z.708) Rock River Arms LAR-47;
(z.709) Rock River Arms LAR-15LH;
(z.71) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Hunter;
(z.711) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Fred Eichler Series;
(z.712) Rock River Arms LAR-15 R3 Competition;
(z.713) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Texas;
(z.714) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical;
(z.715) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Government;
(z.716) Rock River Arms LAR-15 TASC;
(z.717) Rock River Arms LAR-15 National Match;
(z.718) Rock River Arms LAR-15 DEA;
(z.719) Rock River Arms LAR-9;
(z.72) Rock River Arms LAR-9 Pistol;
(z.721) Rock River Arms LAR-40;
(z.722) Rock River Arms LAR-PDS;
(z.723) Rock River Arms LAR-40 Pistol;
(z.724) Rock River Arms LAR-6;
(z.725) Rock River Arms LAR-8M;
(z.726) Rock River Arms LAR-10;
(z.727) Rocky Point Guns LE15;
(z.728) Roggio RA15;
(z.729) Royal Arms Rak15;
(z.73) Ruger SR556;
(z.731) Ruger SR556 VT;
(z.732) Ruger AR556;
(z.733) S&J Hardware SJ-15;
(z.734) Sabatti SAR;
(z.735) Sabertooth Defence M4;
(z.736) Sabre Defence Industries SR-15;
(z.737) Sabre Defence Industries XR10;
(z.738) Sabre Defence Industries XR15;
(z.739) Safir T12;
(z.74) Safir T14;
(z.741) Salient Arms International GRY;
(z.742) Salient Arms International SAI-T2;
(z.743) Savage MSR-10;
(z.744) Savage MSR-15;
(z.745) Schmeisser AR15;
(z.746) Schmeisser MR-BA19;
(z.747) Seekins Precision NX15;
(z.748) Seekins Precision SBA15;
(z.749) Seekins Precision SP15;
(z.75) Seekins Precision SP223;
(z.751) Seekins Precision SPX;
(z.752) Sendra Corp M15A1;
(z.753) Sendra Corp XM15E2;
(z.754) SFRC SFRC-15;
(z.755) SGW AR15;
(z.756) SGW AR15A1;
(z.757) SGW AR15A2;
(z.758) SGW CAR15;
(z.759) SGW CAR15 AR;
(z.76) SGW K3B;
(z.761) SGW Ultra Match Rifle;
(z.762) SGW XM15A1;
(z.763) Sharps Bros The Jack;
(z.764) Sharps Bros Warthog;
(z.765) Sharps Rifle Company Sharps 15;
(z.766) ShoeLess Ventures FAB10;
(z.767) Shooting Edge OA15;
(z.768) SI Defense SI AR-15;
(z.769) SI Defense SI-D;
(z.77) SI Defense SI-HK;
(z.771) SI Defense SI-C;
(z.772) SIG Sauer SIG 516;
(z.773) SIG Sauer SIG 716;
(z.774) SIG Sauer SIG M400;
(z.775) SIG Sauer SIG M400 Elite;
(z.776) Six Sigma Arms P18-32;
(z.777) Smith & Wesson M&P 15T;
(z.778) Smith & Wesson M&P 15;
(z.779) Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22;
(z.78) Smith & Wesson M&P 15FT;
(z.781) Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22PC;
(z.782) Smith & Wesson M&P 15 Magpul;
(z.783) Smith & Wesson M&P 10;
(z.784) Smith & Wesson M&P 15A;
(z.785) Smith & Wesson M&P 15PC;
(z.786) Smith & Wesson M&P 15OR;
(z.787) Smith & Wesson M&P 15PS;
(z.788) Smith & Wesson M&P 10 Creedmoor;
(z.789) Smith & Wesson M&P 15i;
(z.79) SMOS SM-15;
(z.791) SMOS Rogue-15;
(z.792) SMOS Rogue-50;
(z.793) Sniper Central SI-C;
(z.794) SNS Industries Max 15;
(z.795) SNS Industries LFT-15;
(z.796) SNS Industries NO-15;
(z.797) SNS Industries Max 15 Pistol;
(z.798) Socom Firearms Corporation Recon AR15;
(z.799) Socom Manufacturing BR-15-A6S;
(z.8) Spartan Precision SP15;
(z.801) Special Ops Tactical SO15;
(z.802) Spike’s Tactical ST-15;
(z.803) Spike’s Tactical SL-15;
(z.804) Spike’s Tactical ST-22;
(z.805) Spike’s Tactical CJ15;
(z.806) Spike’s Tactical Hellbreaker;
(z.807) Spike’s Tactical Warthog;
(z.808) Spike’s Tactical The Jack;
(z.809) Spike’s Tactical Spartan;
(z.81) Spike’s Tactical Jack 10;
(z.811) Spirit Gun Manufacturing Company SGM9;
(z.812) Springfield Armory Saint;
(z.813) STAG Arms STAG-6L;
(z.814) STAG Arms STAG-6.8;
(z.815) STAG Arms STAG-9;
(z.816) STAG Arms STAG-10;
(z.817) STAG Arms STAG-10S;
(z.818) STAG Arms STAG-15;
(z.819) STAG Arms STAG-223;
(z.82) Sterling Arms SAI 102;
(z.821) STI International AR15 Custom Rifle;
(z.822) Stillers Precision Firearms Predator XT;
(z.823) Stoner SR-25;
(z.824) Stoner SR-15;
(z.825) Stoner MARK 11 Model 0;
(z.826) Stoner M110;
(z.827) Stoner XM110;
(z.828) Stoner MARK 11 Model 1;
(z.829) Sun Devil SD15;
(z.83) Sun Devil SD308;
(z.831) Superior Arms S-15;
(z.832) Surplus Ammo & Arms LOW15;
(z.833) Surplus Ammo & Arms LOW16;
(z.834) Surplus Ammo & Arms SA15;
(z.835) SWAT Firearms SF-15;
(z.836) SWORD International MARK 15 Model 0;
(z.837) SWORD International MARK 16 Model 0;
(z.838) SWORD International MARK 17 Model 0;
(z.839) SWORD International MARK 18 Model 0;
(z.84) SWORD International MARK 18 Model 0 Mjolnir;
(z.841) Tactical Armz TA-15;
(z.842) Tactical Innovations T-15;
(z.843) Tactical Innovations T-15BDX;
(z.844) Tactical Machining TM-15;
(z.845) Tactical Machining TM308;
(z.846) Tactical Machining TSG-15;
(z.847) Tactical Rifles Government;
(z.848) Tactical Rifles Tactical M4C;
(z.849) Tactical Rifles Tactical SPG;
(z.85) Tactical Rifles Tactical SVR;
(z.851) Talon Arms TA-15;
(z.852) Taran Tactical TR-1;
(z.853) Tech Designs AR-15;
(z.854) Territorial Gunsmiths SLR15;
(z.855) Thor TR15 Carbine;
(z.856) Tippmann Arms M4-22;
(z.857) Titusville Armory TA-15;
(z.858) TKS Engineering AR15HD;
(z.859) TNW SGP15;
(z.86) Tom Sawyer M4-Z1;
(z.861) Tom Sawyer Jolly Roger;
(z.862) Trojan Firearms PRO9V1;
(z.863) Trojan Firearms TFA-PCC9G;
(z.864) Trojan Firearms ULV1;
(z.865) Troy Defense Troy 102;
(z.866) Troy Defense Troy Carbine;
(z.867) Troy Defense Troy M4A1 Carbine;
(z.868) Troy Defense Troy M4A1 SOCC;
(z.869) Troy Defense Troy M7A1 CQB;
(z.87) Troy Defense Troy M7A1 PDW Carbine;
(z.871) Troy Defense Troy M16A2 Mogadishu;
(z.872) Troy Defense Troy Northern Guard;
(z.873) Troy Industries Troy CQB-SPC;
(z.874) True North Arms TNA-15;
(z.875) Turnbull Manufacturing TAR-15;
(z.876) Turnbull Manufacturing TAR-10;
(z.877) Umbrella Corporation AR15;
(z.878) Umlaut Industries U4;
(z.879) Unik Alpha;
(z.88) United Defense S7;
(z.881) US Arms Patriot 15;
(z.882) US Autoweapons USM4;
(z.883) US Firearms Academy BB-16;
(z.884) USA Tactical Firearms USA-15;
(z.885) UT Arms GEN-1AR;
(z.886) Utas XTR-12;
(z.887) V Seven Weapons GI Seven;
(z.888) VC Defense VC-15;
(z.889) Vidalia Police Supply VPS-15;
(z.89) VM Hy-Tech VM15;
(z.891) Vulcan Armament V15;
(z.892) Web Arms WA-15;
(z.893) Wilson Combat AR15 UT;
(z.894) Wilson Combat AR15 TPR;
(z.895) Wilson Combat AR15 M4;
(z.896) Wilson Combat AR15 TL;
(z.897) Wilson Combat AR15 SM;
(z.898) Wilson Combat AR15 SS;
(z.899) Wilson Combat AR15;
(z.9) Wilson Combat AR-10;
(z.901) Wilson Combat AR9G;
(z.902) Wilson Tactical WT-15;
(z.903) Windham Weaponry MCS;
(z.904) Windham Weaponry WW-15;
(z.905) Windham Weaponry WW-308;
(z.906) Windham Weaponry WW-CF;
(z.907) WMA WMA-15;
(z.908) Wolverine Tactical Firearms WAR-15;
(z.909) Wolverine Tactical Firearms WT-15;
(z.91) Xtreme Gun XG15;
(z.911) Xtreme Machining XR15;
(z.912) YHM 57;
(z.913) YHM YHM-15;
(z.914) ZEV Technologies Mega-LF;
(z.915) ZEV Technologies Mega-TR15;
(z.916) ZEV Technologies ZEV-BL;
(z.917) ZEV Technologies ZEV-FL;
(z.918) ZM Weapons LR300ML;
(z.919) ZM Weapons LR300SR; and
(z.92) Zombie Defense Z-4.
88 The firearm of the design commonly known as the Ruger Mini-14 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the

(a) Clark Custom Guns Ruger Mini-14;
(b) Ruger Mini-14 GB;
(c) Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle;
(d) Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle Deluxe;
(e) Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle LE;
(f) Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle LET;
(g) Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle NRA Edition;
(h) Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Target Rifle; and
(i) Ruger Mini Thirty.
89 The firearm of the design commonly known as the US Rifle, M14, and any variant or modified version of it, including the

(a) American Historical Foundation Federal Ordnance M14 US Rifle Vietnam War Commemorative;
(b) Armscorp US Rifle M14;
(c) Armscorp US Rifle M14 National Match;
(d) AR Sales MARK 4;
(e) Bula Defense Systems M14;
(f) Dominion Arms Socom 18;
(g) Entreprise Arms US Rifle M14A2;
(h) Federal Ordnance M14SA US Rifle;
(i) Fulton Armory M14;
(j) Hesse Arms M14H Brush;
(k) Hesse Arms M14H;
(l) James River Armory M14;
(m) La France Specialties M14K;
(n) LRB Arms M14SA US Rifle;
(o) LRB Arms M25;
(p) McMillan M1A;
(q) McMillan M3A;
(r) MK Specialties M14A1 Semi-Automatic;
(s) Norinco M14 Semi-Automatic;
(t) Norinco 305;
(u) Norinco CSLR27;
(v) Norinco CSLR28;
(w) Norinco M305;
(x) Norinco 305A;
(y) Norinco M305C;
(z) Norinco M305D;
(z.01) Poly Technologies M14 Semi-Automatic;
(z.02) Poly Technologies M305;
(z.03) Rockola US Rifle M14F;
(z.04) Smith Enterprises US Rifle M14 National Match;
(z.05) Smith Enterprises US Rifle M14;
(z.06) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A-A1 Bush Rifle;
(z.07) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A-A1 Scout Rifle;
(z.08) Springfield Armory US Rifle M21;
(z.09) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A National Match;
(z.1) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A Super Match;
(z.11) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A;
(z.12) Springfield Armory US Rifle M25;
(z.13) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A SOCOM 16;
(z.14) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A SOCOM 2;
(z.15) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A NRA Camp Perry National Matches 100th Anniversary;
(z.16) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A Loaded; and
(z.17) Springfield Armory US Rifle M1A Scout Squad.
90 The firearm of the design commonly known as the Vz58 rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the

(a) Century Arms VZ2008 Sporter;
(b) CZ CZ958 2P;
(c) CZ CZ958 2V;
(d) CZ CZ958 Hunter P;
(e) CZ CZH2003 Sport;
(f) CZ CZ858 Tactical-2 P;
(g) CZ CZ858 Tactical-2 V;
(h) CZ CZ858 Tactical-4 P;
(i) CZ CZ858 Tactical-4 V;
(j) CZ CZ858 Tactical-2 P Spartan Limited Edition;
(k) Czech Small Arms SA VZ58 Canadian Sporter 7.62;
(l) Czech Small Arms SA VZ58 Sporter 5.56;
(m) Czech Small Arms SA VZ58 Sporter 7.62;
(n) Czech Small Arms SA VZ58 Sporter 222 REM;
(o) Czech Small Arms SA VZ58 Sporter 223 REM;
(p) D-Technik SA VZ58 Sporter 7.62;
(q) Gazela Gazela 58;
(r) Grand Power SA VZ58 Sporter 7.62;
(s) Kodiak Defence WR762;
(t) Ohio Ordnance Works VZ2000;
(u) Petr Novohradsky FSN-01;
(v) Petr Novohradsky FSN-01K;
(w) PPK KSK;
(x) PPK KSK Hunter;
(y) Rock Island Armory WR762USA;
(z) West Rifle WR762; and
(z.1) Zelanysport Gazela 58.
91 The firearm of the design commonly known as the Robinson Armament XCR rifle, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Robinson Armament

(a) XCR-L;
(b) XCR-L Micro Pistol;
(c) XCR-M; and
(d) XCR-M Micro Pistol.
92 The firearms of the designs commonly known as the CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbine and CZ Scorpion EVO 3 pistol, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the CZ

(a) CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Carbine;
(b) CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Pistol; and
(c) CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S2 Pistol Micro.
93 The firearm of the design commonly known as the Beretta Cx4 Storm carbine, and any variant or modified version of it.

94 The firearms of the designs commonly known as the SIG Sauer SIG MCX carbine, SIG Sauer SIG MCX pistol, SIG Sauer SIG MPX carbine and SIG Sauer SIG MPX pistol, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the SIG Sauer

(a) SIG MCX Rattler; and
(b) SIG MCX Rattler Pistol.
95 Any firearm with a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater — other than one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices — including the

(a) Aerotek NTW;
(b) Airtronic M203;
(c) Alpimex APK 20;
(d) Amtec Less-Lethal Systems (ALS) 40MM Launcher;
(e) Anzio Ironworks Anzio 20;
(f) Argentine Mortar FMK2 81MM;
(g) Argentine Mortar FMK2 120MM;
(h) Argentine Mortar FMK1 60MM;
(i) Argentine Mortar FMK2 60MM;
(j) Argentine Mortar FMK3 60MM;
(k) Armsan BA 40;
(l) Armscor Stopper;
(m) Arsenal UGGL-M1;
(n) Arsenal UBGL;
(o) Arsenal MSGL;
(p) Astra Arms SL203;
(q) Astra Arms GL203;
(r) Austrian Mortar C6 60MM;
(s) Austrian Mortar M6 60MM;
(t) Austrian Mortar M8 81MM;
(u) Austrian Mortar M12 120MM;
(v) Bates & Dittus UBL-37;
(w) Bates & Dittus ExD-37;
(x) Bates & Dittus TBL-37;
(y) Bates & Dittus SML-37 Pistol;
(z) Beretta GLX160;
(z.001) British Mortar ML-3 Inch;
(z.002) British Mortar ML-4.2 Inch;
(z.003) Brugger & Thomet GL06;
(z.004) Bulgarian Mortar M60 60MM;
(z.005) Bulgarian Mortar M81 81MM;
(z.006) Bulgarian Mortar M82 82MM;
(z.007) Chilean Mortar Commando;
(z.008) Chilean Mortar M57 81MM;
(z.009) China Lake EX-41;
(z.01) Chinese Mortar Type 53;
(z.011) Cobray 37MM Launcher;
(z.012) Colt Eagle;
(z.013) Colt M203;
(z.014) Colt M79;
(z.015) Corner Blast PGL A1;
(z.016) CQ Type CQ 40MM;
(z.017) Croatian Service RT-20;
(z.018) CZ CZ805 G1;
(z.019) Czech Weapons SAG 30;
(z.02) Czech Weapons CZW 40;
(z.021) Czechoslovakian Mortar VZ52;
(z.022) Daewoo K201;
(z.023) Defense Technology L8;
(z.024) Defense Technology 40MM Launcher;
(z.025) Defense Technology 37MM Gas Gun;
(z.026) Defense Technology 37MM Gas Gun Pistol;
(z.027) Defense Technology 1375 Multi-Launcher;
(z.028) Degtyarev ASVK;
(z.029) Denel NTW 20HS;
(z.03) Denel PAW-20;
(z.031) Denel NTW;
(z.032) Dezamet GSBO-40;
(z.033) Dezamet GPBO-40;
(z.034) Diemaco M203A1;
(z.035) Diemaco Eagle;
(z.036) DPMS A-15 37MM Launcher;
(z.037) DSA 40MM Launcher;
(z.038) DSA Incorporated M203;
(z.039) Elite Machining ELM-40;
(z.04) ERE Systems M203 ERE Elite Launcher;
(z.041) Et Cetera 37MM Launcher;
(z.042) Exotic Firearms Nemesis-SL;
(z.043) Federal Laboratories 201Z;
(z.044) Federal Laboratories 203A;
(z.045) Federal Laboratories Federal Gas Riot Gun;
(z.046) Floro International 40MM Launcher;
(z.047) Floro International M400;
(z.048) Floro International M203;
(z.049) FN EGLM;
(z.05) FN MARK 13 Model 0;
(z.051) FN FN40GL;
(z.052) German Anti-Tank Rifle GrB39;
(z.053) German Anti-Tank Rifle M41;
(z.054) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB38;
(z.055) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB39;
(z.056) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB41;
(z.057) German Mortar 1934 Granatwerfer;
(z.058) German Mortar Kurzer Granatewerfer 42;
(z.059) Greek Mortar C6 60MM;
(z.06) Greek Mortar E44 81MM;
(z.061) Greek Mortar E56 120MM;
(z.062) Heckler & Koch HKMZP1;
(z.063) Heckler & Koch HK69A1 Granatpistole;
(z.064) Heckler & Koch HKAG-G36;
(z.065) Heckler & Koch HKAG-C;
(z.066) Heckler & Koch HKXM320;
(z.067) Heckler & Koch HKAG-HK416;
(z.068) Heckler & Koch HKAG 36;
(z.069) Heckler & Koch HKGLM;
(z.07) Heckler & Koch HKAG-M16A4;
(z.071) Heckler & Koch HKAG-M4;
(z.072) Heckler & Koch HKM320;
(z.073) Heckler & Koch HKM320 A1;
(z.074) Heckler & Koch HK168E1;
(z.075) Heckler & Koch HK79;
(z.076) Heckler & Koch HK269;
(z.077) Heckler & Koch HK169;
(z.078) Helenius RK20;
(z.079) Helenius RK99 MARK 2;
(z.08) Hotchkiss 1934 Canon SAH;
(z.081) IOF Ugra;
(z.082) IOF UBGL;
(z.083) IOF Vidhwansak;
(z.084) Israeli Mortar C03;
(z.085) Italian Mortar Otobreda 81MM;
(z.086) IWI UBGL;
(z.087) Japanese Anti-Tank Rifle Type 97;
(z.088) Knights Armament Company M203;
(z.089) Lahti 39;
(z.09) Lake Erie Chemical Company Tru-Flite;
(z.091) Lamperd L40SL;
(z.092) LEI M203-PR;
(z.093) LMT M203;
(z.094) LMT M2032003 FMT;
(z.095) LMT 37MM Launcher;
(z.096) LMT 40MM Launcher;
(z.097) Luvo M203;
(z.098) Maadi UBGL;
(z.099) Manville Manville Gas Gun;
(z.1) Metallic Limited RBG-1;
(z.101) Metallic Limited RBG-6;
(z.102) Milkor Stopper;
(z.103) Milkor MGL MARK 1;
(z.104) Milkor M79;
(z.105) Milkor MRGL;
(z.106) Milkor USA MGL-140 M32;
(z.107) Milkor USA MGL-140;
(z.108) Milkor USA MGL-105;
(z.109) Milkor USA MGL-AV140;
(z.11) Missile Launcher 9K111 Fagot;
(z.111) Missile Launcher 9K310 Igla-1;
(z.112) Missile Launcher 9K32 Strela-2;
(z.113) Missile Launcher 9K34 Strela-3;
(z.114) Missile Launcher 9K38 Igla;
(z.115) Missile Launcher BGM-71 TOW;
(z.116) Missile Launcher Eryx;
(z.117) Missile Launcher FGM-148 Javelin;
(z.118) Missile Launcher FIM-43 Redeye;
(z.119) Missile Launcher FIM-92 Stinger;
(z.12) Missile Launcher HN-5;
(z.121) Missile Launcher Ingwe;
(z.122) Missile Launcher M47 Dragon;
(z.123) Missile Launcher MILAN;
(z.124) Missile Launcher Saegheh;
(z.125) Missile Launcher Starstreak;
(z.126) Missile Launcher Toophan;
(z.127) Missile Launcher Type 79;
(z.128) MKE T40;
(z.129) MKE Grenade Launcher;
(z.13) Oerlikon SSG 32;
(z.131) Oerlikon SSG 36;
(z.132) Ordnance Group TAC79;
(z.133) Ordnance Group TAC-D;
(z.134) Penn Arms L140;
(z.135) Penn Arms H140;
(z.136) Penn Arms P540;
(z.137) Penn Arms L640;
(z.138) Penn Arms P837;
(z.139) Penn Arms L837;
(z.14) Penn Arms L137;
(z.141) Penn Arms AML1-37;
(z.142) Penn Arms HL;
(z.143) Penn Arms HG;
(z.144) Penn Arms L8;
(z.145) Penn Arms L6;
(z.146) Penn Arms L1;
(z.147) Penn Arms GL1;
(z.148) Penn Arms PGL65;
(z.149) Penn Arms GL6;
(z.15) Penn Arms GL65;
(z.151) Penn Arms PL8;
(z.152) Penn Arms TL1;
(z.153) Penn Arms TL8;
(z.154) Penn Arms TGL1;
(z.155) Penn Arms TGL6;
(z.156) Pindad SPG-1;
(z.157) PMP NTW;
(z.158) Polish Grenade Launcher Wz74;
(z.159) Polish Grenade Launcher Wz83;
(z.16) Portuguese Mortar M965;
(z.161) Portuguese Mortar M937;
(z.162) Recoilless Rifle AT4;
(z.163) Recoilless Rifle B-10;
(z.164) Recoilless Rifle FMK1 105MM;
(z.165) Recoilless Rifle Folgore;
(z.166) Recoilless Rifle M136 AT4;
(z.167) Recoilless Rifle M18A1;
(z.168) Recoilless Rifle M40A1;
(z.169) Recoilless Rifle M60;
(z.17) Recoilless Rifle M60A;
(z.171) Recoilless Rifle M65;
(z.172) Recoilless Rifle Pansarskott M68 Miniman;
(z.173) Recoilless Rifle RGW 60;
(z.174) Recoilless Rifle RGW 90;
(z.175) Recoilless Rifle SPG-9;
(z.176) Recoilless Rifle Type 36 M18A1 Recoilless Rifle Copy;
(z.177) Recoilless Rifle Type 65;
(z.178) Recoilless Rifle Type 78;
(z.179) Rippel Effect XRGL40;
(z.18) Rippel Effect LL40;
(z.181) RM Equipment M203PI;
(z.182) Rocket Launcher P27;
(z.183) Rocket Launcher RPG-27 Tavolga;
(z.184) Rocket Launcher ALAC;
(z.185) Rocket Launcher MARA;
(z.186) Rocket Launcher Shipon;
(z.187) Rocket Launcher RPG-22 Netto;
(z.188) Rocket Launcher MARK 153 SMAW;
(z.189) Rocket Launcher B-300;
(z.19) Rocket Launcher RPG-26 Aglen;
(z.191) Rocket Launcher RPG-76;
(z.192) Rocket Launcher RPG-7;
(z.193) Rocket Launcher M1;
(z.194) Rocket Launcher M1A1;
(z.195) Rocket Launcher M9;
(z.196) Rocket Launcher RPG-75;
(z.197) Rocket Launcher LRAC89-F1;
(z.198) Rocket Launcher RPG-16 Udar;
(z.199) Rocket Launcher RPG-7B;
(z.2) Rocket Launcher RL100 Blindicide;
(z.201) Rocket Launcher M141 SMAW-D;
(z.202) Rocket Launcher MARK 777 RPG;
(z.203) Rocket Launcher ATGL RPG;
(z.204) Rocket Launcher Type 69 RPG;
(z.205) Rocket Launcher Type 56 RPG;
(z.206) Rocket Launcher RPG-2;
(z.207) Rocket Launcher Cobra RPG;
(z.208) Rocket Launcher Panzerfaust 3;
(z.209) Rocket Launcher APILAS;
(z.21) Rocket Launcher Wasp;
(z.211) Rocket Launcher Bunkerfaust;
(z.212) Rocket Launcher Type 2004 RPG;
(z.213) Rocket Launcher PF98;
(z.214) Rocket Launcher RPG-28 Klyukva;
(z.215) Rocket Launcher RPG-29 Vampir;
(z.216) Rocket Launcher FT5;
(z.217) Rocket Launcher C90;
(z.218) Rocket Launcher M20B1;
(z.219) Rocket Launcher M72;
(z.22) Romarm AG-40;
(z.221) Russian Artillery M1942 Anti-Tank Gun;
(z.222) Russian Mortar M1937;
(z.223) Russian Service DP-64;
(z.224) Sabre Defence Industries XR40;
(z.225) Sabre Defence Industries XR37;
(z.226) Sage ML40 MARK 1;
(z.227) Sage Ace 37MM Launcher;
(z.228) Sage Ace 40MM Launcher;
(z.229) Sage Deuce 37MM Launcher;
(z.23) Sage Deuce 40MM Launcher;
(z.231) Schermuly 38MM Multi-Purpose Gun;
(z.232) Singapore Technologies Kinetics 40GL;
(z.233) Smith & Wesson 210/276;
(z.234) Smith & Wesson 276;
(z.235) Solothurn S18-100;
(z.236) Solothurn S18-1000;
(z.237) Spike’s Tactical 37MM Launcher STZ Havoc;
(z.238) Swiss Anti Tank Rifle Tankbusche 41;
(z.239) Swiss Arms GL5040;
(z.24) Swiss Arms GL5140;
(z.241) Swiss Arms GLG40;
(z.242) Taiwanese Grenade Launcher T85;
(z.243) Tarnow RGP-40;
(z.244) Tarnow GP40;
(z.245) Tarnow GS40;
(z.246) Truvelo SR20;
(z.247) Truvelo HSR 20;
(z.248) Truvelo CMS 20;
(z.249) US Mortar M2;
(z.25) US Mortar M1;
(z.251) US Mortar XM224E3;
(z.252) US Ordnance M6 37MM Gun;
(z.253) US Recoilless M18; and
(z.254) US Recoilless M20.
96 Any firearm capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10,000 joules — other than one referred to in item 12, 13, 14, 20, 22 or 30 of this Part or one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices — including the

(a) AAO 2000;
(b) Accuracy International AW50;
(c) Accuracy International AS50;
(d) Accuracy International AX;
(e) Accuracy International AX50;
(f) Alberta Tactical Rifle Big Bertha;
(g) Alberta Tactical Rifle ATSHL Prototype;
(h) Alberta Tactical Rifle ATSHL;
(i) Alberta Tactical Rifle AT50;
(j) Allied Armament Browning M2 Heavy Barrel;
(k) Allied Armament Browning M3 Aircraft;
(l) Alpimex APK 12.7;
(m) American Tactical Imports Omni Hybrid;
(n) AMP DSR 50;
(o) AMSD OM 50 Nemesis;
(p) Anzio Ironworks Anzio 50 CM1;
(q) Anzio Ironworks Anzio 50 Lightweight;
(r) Anzio Ironworks Anzio SS;
(s) Anzio Ironworks Anzio 50;
(t) Anzio Ironworks Anzio 14.5;
(u) Armalite AR-50;
(v) Armalite AR-50A1;
(w) Armtech BM50;
(x) Azerbaijani Sniper Rifle Istiglal IST 12.7;
(y) Azerbaijani Sniper Rifle Istiglal IST 14.5;
(z) Ballard SB500;
(z.001) Barnard GP;
(z.002) Barrett Firearms 99;
(z.003) BAT Machine EX;
(z.004) BCM Europearms Extreme;
(z.005) BCM Europearms MAAR Extreme;
(z.006) BCM Europearms STD Extreme;
(z.007) Bluegrass Armory Viper XL;
(z.008) Boys MARK 1*;
(z.009) Boys MARK 1;
(z.01) Bushmaster BA50;
(z.011) Cadex CDX-50 Tremor;
(z.012) Canstar Arms CS 50;
(z.013) Canstar Arms CS1 Prototype;
(z.014) Canstar Arms CS2 Prototype;
(z.015) Canstar Arms CS 50-2;
(z.016) Caracal CS50;
(z.017) China South Industries Group AMR-2;
(z.018) China South Industries Group LR2A;
(z.019) Christensen Arms Carbon One Ranger;
(z.02) Christensen Arms Carbon One Conquest;
(z.021) Christensen Arms Carbon Ranger;
(z.022) Cobb FA50;
(z.023) Cobb FA50(T);
(z.024) Cobb BA50;
(z.025) Croatian Service MACS M3;
(z.026) Croatian Service MACS M4;
(z.027) Czech Weapons CZW 127;
(z.028) Defence Industries Organization AM-50;
(z.029) Degtyarev ASVK;
(z.03) Denel NTW;
(z.031) Desert Tactical Arms HTI;
(z.032) Desert Tech HTI;
(z.033) DPMS A-15;
(z.034) DPMS A-15 Panther VRS Single Shot;
(z.035) EAA M93 Black Arrow;
(z.036) East Ridge/State Arms Gun Company Big Bertha;
(z.037) EDM Arms XM-107 Windrunner;
(z.038) EDM Arms SA-01 Windrunner;
(z.039) EDM Arms 96 Windrunner;
(z.04) Elite Machining Elite 50;
(z.041) Essential Arms Company J15;
(z.042) Essential Arms Company J15F;
(z.043) Evolution USA Phantom 3;
(z.044) FN Hecate 2;
(z.045) FN Nemesis;
(z.046) Fortmeier, Heinrich 2001;
(z.047) Fortmeier, Heinrich 2002;
(z.048) Gepard GM6 Lynx;
(z.049) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB42;
(z.05) Gun Room Company Noreen ULR;
(z.051) Hagelberg FH50;
(z.052) Halo Arms HA50 FTR;
(z.053) Halo Arms HA50 LRR;
(z.054) Helenius RK97;
(z.055) Helenius RK99;
(z.056) Helenius RK99 MARK 1;
(z.057) IOF Vidhwansak;
(z.058) Jard J50;
(z.059) Jard J51;
(z.06) JRS 510;
(z.061) Karta Tool Frenchy 1 Prototype;
(z.062) Kovrov SVN-98;
(z.063) LAR Manufacturing Grizzly Big Boar;
(z.064) LAR Manufacturing Grizzly T-50;
(z.065) McBros 50 BMG Benchrest;
(z.066) McBros 50 BMG Sporter;
(z.067) McBros 50 BMG Tactical;
(z.068) McMillan 50 BMG Benchrest;
(z.069) McMillan Brothers 50 BMG Benchrest;
(z.07) McMillan Brothers 50 BMG Sporter;
(z.071) McMillan Brothers 50 BMG Tactical;
(z.072) McMillan Brothers TAC-50;
(z.073) McMillan TAC-50;
(z.074) McMillan TAC-416;
(z.075) MG Arms Behemoth;
(z.076) Mitchells Mausers M93 Black Arrow Target;
(z.077) Modulo Masterpiece Wizard Extreme Long Range Match;
(z.078) Noreen Firearms Noreen ULR;
(z.079) Noreen Firearms Noreen ULR Extreme;
(z.08) Norinco JS 05;
(z.081) Norinco CSLR5;
(z.082) Northwest Imports Browning M2 Heavy Barrel;
(z.083) Odessa Patriot 50;
(z.084) Omni Windrunner;
(z.085) PGM Precision Hecate 2;
(z.086) Phase 5 Tactical P5T15;
(z.087) Pietsch P B 50 Canadian;
(z.088) PMP NTW;
(z.089) Poly Technologies M99;
(z.09) Poly Technologies M99B;
(z.091) Prairie Gun Works LRT3REP;
(z.092) Prairie Gun Works LRT3SS;
(z.093) Prairie Gun Works LRT50;
(z.094) RAD M650 SLAMR;
(z.095) RAD M614;
(z.096) Ramo 600;
(z.097) Ramo 650;
(z.098) Rib Mountain Arms 92;
(z.099) Robar RC-50;
(z.1) RPA Quadlock;
(z.101) RPA Rangemaster 50;
(z.102) Russian Anti-Tank Rifle PTRS41;
(z.103) Russian Anti-Tank Rifle PTRD41;
(z.104) Russian Anti-Tank Rifle PTRR39;
(z.105) Russian Anti-Tank Rifle PTRSh;
(z.106) Safety Harbor Firearms SHF/R50;
(z.107) Safety Harbor Firearms Ultra Mag 50;
(z.108) Safety Harbor Firearms SHF/S50;
(z.109) Saxonia Big Valve M2;
(z.11) Semtecx Single Shot Pistol;
(z.111) Serbu BFG-50;
(z.112) Serbu BFG-50A;
(z.113) Serbu RN-50;
(z.114) Sero GM6 Lynx;
(z.115) SIG Sauer SIG 50;
(z.116) SMOS Rogue-50;
(z.117) SMOS Rogue-SS;
(z.118) Spider Firearms Ferret 50;
(z.119) St George Arms Leader 50 A1;
(z.12) State Arms Gun Company Rebel;
(z.121) State Arms Gun Company Mosquito;
(z.122) State Arms Gun Company Shorty;
(z.123) State Arms Gun Company Competitor 2000;
(z.124) Steyr-Mannlicher HS50;
(z.125) Steyr-Mannlicher HS50M1;
(z.126) Steyr-Mannlicher HS460;
(z.127) Stoner SR-50;
(z.128) Swiss Arms SAN511;
(z.129) Tactical Machining TM-SS;
(z.13) Tarnow WKW;
(z.131) Tasko 7ET3;
(z.132) Tech Designs Kodiak;
(z.133) Thompson Machine ARSSL;
(z.134) Thor Global Defense Group M96 Windrunner Series;
(z.135) TNW Browning M2 Heavy Barrel;
(z.136) Triple Action Thunder 50;
(z.137) Truvelo CMS 12.7;
(z.138) Truvelo CMS 14.5;
(z.139) Truvelo SR50;
(z.14) Ursus Firearms Kodiak;
(z.141) Valkyrie Arms Browning M2 Heavy Barrel;
(z.142) VM Hy-Tech VM50;
(z.143) Vulcan Armament V50SS;
(z.144) Watsons Weapons 50;
(z.145) Zastava M93;
(z.146) Zastava Arms M93 Black Arrow;
(z.147) Zastava Europe M93;
(z.148) ZVI OP96; and
(z.149) ZVI OP99.
4 Item 2 of Part 2 of the schedule to the Regulations is repealed.

5 Part 2.1 of the schedule to the Regulations is repealed.

6 Part 4 of the schedule to the Regulations is amended by adding the following after item 3:

Other
4 The upper receiver of any firearm referred to in item 87 of Part 1 of this schedule.

Application Prior to Publication
7 For the purposes of paragraph 11(2)(a) of the Statutory Instruments Act, these Regulations apply according to their terms before they are published in the Canada Gazette.

Coming into Force
8 These Regulations come into force on the day on which they are made.

REGULATORY IMPACT ANALYSIS STATEMENT
(This statement is not part of the Regulations or the Order.)

Issues
Canada has experienced mass shootings in rural and urban areas such as in Nova Scotia, city of Québec, Montréal, and Toronto. Whether at home or abroad, the deadliest mass shootings are commonly perpetrated with assault-style firearms. These events, and concerns about the inherent deadliness of assault-style firearms used in them, have led to increasing public demand for measures to address gun violence and mass shootings in Canada.

The Regulations Amending the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted (Regulations) amend the Regulations that classify firearms (Classification Regulations) to prescribe certain firearms as prohibited firearms. The Regulations prohibit approximately 1 500 models of assault-style firearms, including current and future variants. The Regulations also prescribe the upper receivers of M16, AR-10, AR-15 and M4 pattern firearms to be prohibited devices.

The Regulations address gun violence and the threat to public safety by assault-style firearms. The Government of Canada recognizes that their inherent deadliness makes them unsuitable for civilian use and a serious threat to public safety given the degree to which they can increase the severity of mass shootings.

The Order Declaring an Amnesty Period (2020) (the Amnesty Order) accompanies the Regulations to protect individuals, who were in lawful possession of one or more of the newly prohibited firearms or prohibited devices on the day the Regulations came into force, from criminal liability for unlawful possession for the purpose of allowing individuals to come into compliance with the law.

During the amnesty period, the Government intends to implement a buy-back program to compensate affected owners for the value of their firearms after they are delivered to a police officer; however, until a buy-back program is offered, affected owners will not be eligible for compensation. An option to participate in a grandfathering regime would also be made available for affected owners. Further public communications on the buy-back program and the grandfathering regime will follow later.

The Regulations and the Amnesty Order come into force on the day they are made. The Amnesty Order expires on April 30, 2022.

Background
Canada has experienced mass shootings in rural and urban areas such as in Nova Scotia, city of Québec, Montréal and Toronto. Whether at home or abroad, the deadliest mass shootings are commonly perpetrated with assault-style firearms. Given these events, the growing concern for public safety, the increasing public demand for measures to address gun violence and mass shootings and, in particular, the concern resulting from the inherent deadliness of assault-style firearms that are not suitable for civilian use, these firearms must be prohibited in Canada.

Assault-style firearms are not suitable for hunting or sport shooting purposes given the inherent danger that they pose to public safety. The newly prescribed firearms are primarily designed for military or paramilitary purposes with the capability of injuring, immobilizing or killing humans in large numbers within a short period of time given the basic characteristics they possess, such as a tactical or military design and capability of holding a quickly reloadable large-capacity magazine. While some of these newly prohibited firearms were previously used by individuals for hunting or sporting purposes, it is the view of the Government that those firearms are unreasonable and disproportionate for such purposes. The significant risk that these firearms pose to the public’s safety outweighs any justification for their continued use and availability within Canada given that numerous types of firearms remain available for lawful ownership for hunting or sport shooting purposes.

The Classification Regulations prescribe firearms as prohibited, restricted or nonrestricted, and also include variants and certain modified versions of the listed firearms.

Pursuant to subsections 84(1) and 117.15(1) of the Criminal Code, the Governor in Council (GIC) has the authority to prescribe a firearm or a device to be prohibited in accordance with the definitions of “prohibited firearm” and “prohibited device.”

Pursuant to section 117.14 of the Criminal Code, the GIC is also authorized to declare an amnesty period when a firearm or device is prohibited for the purpose of permitting affected owners to come into compliance with the law.

Objective
The prescribing of firearms as prohibited is intended to limit the access to firearms that are characterized by their design and their capability of inflicting significant harm to Canadians. The Regulations address a growing public concern regarding the safety risk posed by assault-style firearms and their suitability for civilian use. The amendments to the Classification Regulations are intended to reduce the number and availability of assault-style firearms and other firearms that exceed safe civilian use in Canada, and to reduce the possibility of these firearms being diverted to the illegal market. Many of the known variants or modified versions of the approximately 1 500 firearms are also specifically prescribed to be prohibited firearms. The Regulations apply to all variants of the principal model, current or future, whether they are expressly listed or not.

Description
The Regulations have been amended to prescribe as prohibited approximately 1 500 models of firearms. Of those, nine principal models of assault-style firearms are prohibited as they (1) have semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability (tactical/military design with large magazine capacity), (2) are of modern design, and (3) are present in large volumes in the Canadian market.

The Regulations prescribe the firearms set out below as “prohibited firearms” and also specifically prescribe the known variants of the principal models:

M16, AR-10, and AR-15 rifles and M4 carbine;
Ruger Mini-14 rifle;
US Rifle M14;
Vz58 rifle;
Robinson Armament XCR rifle;
CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbines and pistols;
Beretta Cx4 Storm carbine;
SIG Sauer SIG MCX and SIG Sauer SIG MPX carbine and pistol; and
Swiss Arms Classic Green and Four Seasons series (as specified in former Bill C-71: An Act to amend certain Acts and Regulations in relation to firearms).
Also included are two new categories of firearms that exceed safe civilian use. These are characterized by the following physical attributes: a 20 mm bore or greater (e.g. grenade launcher) and the capacity to discharge a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10 000 joules (e.g. a .50 calibre BMG). These weapons are primarily designed to produce mass human casualties or cause significant property damage at long ranges, and the potential power of these weapons exceeds safe or legitimate civilian use.

Previous classification of the newly prohibited firearm models

Principal model

Previous classification

1

M16, AR-10, and AR-15 rifles and M4 carbine (which represent one family of firearms commonly known as the AR Platform)

Mostly restricted, some non-restricted

2

Ruger Mini-14 rifle

Mostly non-restricted, some restricted

3

Vz58 rifle

Mostly non-restricted, some restricted

4

US Rifle M14

Non-restricted

5

Beretta Cx4 Storm carbine

Restricted and non-restricted

6

Robinson Armament XCR rifle

Mostly non-restricted, some restricted

7

CZ Scorpion EVO 3 carbine and pistol

Restricted and non-restricted

8

SIG Sauer SIG MCX and SIG Sauer SIG MPX carbines and pistols

Restricted and non-restricted

9

Swiss Arms Classic Green and Four Seasons series rifles

Non-restricted and restricted

Previous classification of the newly prohibited firearm categories

Category

Previous

1

Firearms with 20 mm bore or greater

Non-restricted, a few restricted

2

Firearms capable of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy greater than 10 000 joules

Non-restricted

While devices exclusively designed for disrupting explosives (also known as “bomb disruptors”) would technically have the attributes of the newly prohibited categories, they have an important function in defusing hazardous explosive devices. Recognizing Canada’s international commitment to global peace and security, these devices are excluded from the prescribed list to permit their export under the Export and Import Permits Act.

The Regulations also prescribe the upper receivers of M16, AR-10, AR-15 and M4 pattern firearms to be prohibited devices in order to ensure that these firearms cannot easily be used with illicitly manufactured or acquired lower receivers. The M16, AR-10, AR-15 and M4 firearms are modular firearms consisting of the lower receiver assembly, which is the component bearing the serial number and subject to registration that is now prohibited; and the upper receiver assembly, which is the pressure bearing component and has not previously been regulated. An owner could possess two or more upper receiver assemblies which can be mounted and dismounted on a lower receiver assembly according to the needs of the occasion. If upper receivers are not also prohibited, there is a significant public safety risk that the upper receiver assemblies would be mated with an illegal lower receiver (i.e. smuggled, made from a receiver blank, or manufactured by 3D printing to supply the illegal market) thus creating unmarked, untraceable M16, AR-10, AR-15 or M4 firearms, commonly known as “ghost guns.” Prohibiting the upper receiver of these rifles will reduce the quantities in circulation and render it much more difficult to illicitly fabricate working firearms.

The Amnesty Order has been made to protect affected individuals who (1) were in legal possession of a newly prohibited firearm or prohibited device at the time the Regulations came into force, and, (2) continue to hold a valid licence during the amnesty period, from criminal liability for unlawful possession of a prohibited firearm in order to afford the individuals with time to dispose of the firearms. Disposal can include: having the firearm deactivated by an approved business; delivering the firearm or device to a police officer; legally exporting the firearm; and, if a business, returning the firearm or device to the manufacturer. Other permitted activities during the amnesty period are to transport the firearm for any of the above purposes and to use the newly prohibited firearm, if previously non-restricted, to hunt for the purposes of sustenance or to exercise a right recognized and affirmed by section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982 (the Constitution). Individuals are no longer allowed to import the firearms listed in the Regulations. Affected owners will no longer be permitted to sell to individuals within Canada or use the prohibited firearms, and no transportation will be permitted except for the purposes described above. The firearms will have to be kept securely stored in accordance with the legal storage requirements for the classification of the specified firearms prior to their prohibition.

Individuals may transport the firearms one time to return home with the firearm if it was not at the owner’s residence at the time the prohibition came into force, or, if not the owner and in possession of the firearm on the day the prohibition came into force, return the firearm to its owner.

The amnesty period begins on the date of coming into force of the Amnesty Order and expires on April 30, 2022. Upon the expiration of the Amnesty Order, individuals who are in possession of a prohibited firearm or prohibited device could be prosecuted for unlawful possession.

The Government intends to implement a buy-back program, which would allow affected owners to declare their intent to deliver their firearms to a police officer. The buy-back would compensate affected owners for the value of their firearms after they are delivered to a police officer. An option to participate in a grandfathering regime would also be made available for affected owners.

While an individual may dispose of a firearm by deactivating it, legally exporting it or delivering it to a police officer prior to the implementation of the buy-back program, compensation will not be available until the buy-back program is in effect. An individual should not deliver a firearm to a police station without first making arrangements with a police officer for a safe and scheduled delivery or pick up.

Regulatory development
Consultation
Extensive public engagement on the issue of banning handguns and assault-style firearms, led by the then Minister of Border Security and Organized Crime Reduction, took place between October 2018 and February 2019 with the provinces and territories, municipalities, Indigenous groups, law enforcement, community organizations, and industry. The intent of this engagement was to hear from a wide range of stakeholders, which included those both in support of and in opposition to limiting access to firearms. The engagement process included a series of eight in-person roundtables, an online questionnaire, a written submission process, and bilateral meetings with a range of stakeholders. The roundtables were held in four cities across the country (Vancouver, Montréal, Toronto, and Moncton), and 77 stakeholders participated in these sessions. In addition, 134 917 online questionnaires were received, as well as 36 written submissions, and 92 stakeholders were consulted in the bilateral meetings.

Many participants expressed their views that a ban on assault-style firearms was needed in order to protect public safety. As a result of the clear need for immediate action to implement the ban on the prescribed prohibited firearms, and to avoid a potential run on the market, no additional consultations with the public, the provinces and territories, or Indigenous groups were contemplated prior to the effective date of the amendment to the Classification Regulations.

Given the possibility of criminal liability associated with possessing a prohibited firearm, the Government has moved to implement the Amnesty Order expeditiously and, as a result, no consultations have been undertaken relative to this Order.

Modern treaty obligations and Indigenous engagement and consultation
The Amnesty Order permits the use of any of the newly prohibited firearms, if previously non-restricted, to hunt for the purposes of sustenance or to exercise a right recognized and affirmed by section 35 of the Constitution. From fall 2018 to spring 2019, the Government held extensive engagement with Indigenous groups, provinces and territories, municipalities, law enforcement agencies, academics, victim groups and other key stakeholders on limiting access to assault-style firearms and handguns. Recognizing that some Indigenous and sustenance hunters could be using previously non-restricted firearms for their hunting and may be unable to replace these firearms immediately, the Amnesty Order includes provisions for the limited use of these firearms for such purposes. Following the publication of the Regulations, the Government will continue to engage with Indigenous groups to assess whether the prohibition of these firearms has a continued impact on the right to hunt affirmed by section 35 of the Constitution.

Instrument choice
Given that the Regulations specifically prescribe firearms as prohibited, restricted and non-restricted in Canada, amendments to the Regulations are required to change the current listing of any firearms. The identified firearms will be legally reclassified as prohibited to reduce the number and availability of assault-style firearms and firearms that exceed safe civilian use in Canadian markets and to reduce the possibility of these firearms being diverted to illegal markets. No non-regulatory options were considered.

Regulatory analysis
Benefits and costs
The costs associated with implementing a buy-back program and grandfathering regime have not yet been finalized. Figures reflect estimates of the portion of projected costs associated with compensation of owners, and are determined by estimates of the number of firearms implicated. Further, given the uncertain number of impacted non-restricted firearms and the program complexity, there may be additional costs.

There are 2.2 million individual firearms licence holders in Canada. It is unknown how many exactly will be affected by the prohibition; however, there are approximately 90 000 restricted firearms that would be affected; and an unknown number of non-restricted firearms (due to the fact that non-restricted firearms do not need to be registered in accordance with the Firearms Act). The implicated firearms represent some of the most prevalent firearms within the Canadian market that are of modern design, have semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability and which are able to receive a quickly reloadable, large capacity magazine. The majority of affected owners of the currently restricted firearms reside in Alberta, British Columbia or Ontario. The regional breakdown for affected owners of the currently non-restricted firearms is unknown because these firearms are not registered.

A Conference Board of Canada report on The Economic Footprint of Angling, Hunting, Trapping and Sport Shooting in Canada published in September 2019, found that an estimated 1.4 million Canadians participate in legal sport shooting. These sport shooters may find themselves temporarily unable to participate in the sport if their primary means of participating is with a newly prohibited firearm. Sport shooters may already possess or may purchase other firearms suitable for sport shooting, and if they turn in their prohibited firearm during the buy-back program, would receive compensation. Sport shooting contributed an estimated $1.8 billion to Canada’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in 2018, as well as $868 million in labour income, and supports about 14 555 full-time equivalent jobs. These figures may be affected in the short term by the prohibition on certain firearms, but these impacts may be mitigated by increases in purchases of new firearms that are not being prohibited.

In addition, 1.3 million Canadians participate in legal hunting. These owners may also be affected if they have been using a newly prohibited firearm that was previously nonrestricted. If they have been using such a firearm for sustenance hunting or to exercise a right affirmed in section 35 of the Constitution, they may continue to use their firearm for the same purpose, until the end of the amnesty period. Hunting contributes an estimated $4.1 billion to Canada’s GDP as well as $2 billion in labour income, and supports about 33 313 full-time equivalent jobs.

The 2018 Commissioner of Firearms Report states that there are 4 442 licenced firearms businesses, of which 2 004 are for ammunition only, not including carriers and museums. Firearms business licences are issued to businesses, museums or organizations that manufacture, sell, possess, handle, display or store firearms or ammunition. The number of small businesses included in these figures is unknown, but likely comprises a large majority. Some of these businesses may see in the short term a decrease in profits as a result of the prohibition. These impacts may be mitigated by the buy-back program and the ability to return prohibited firearms to their manufacturer, and potentially by purchases of new firearms to replace those being prohibited.

Small business lens
While small businesses may assume some compliance costs arising from these Regulations, the costs are extremely difficult to assess as the inventory held by private businesses is unknown. Some costs may include lost interest from the inability to sell this inventory for a profit and possible restocking fees if the business chooses to return the affected firearms in their inventory to their foreign supplier for reimbursement. Firearms that cannot be exported may be eligible for the buy-back program.

It is likely that businesses selling newly prohibited firearms would experience a reduction in sales and as a result may reduce staff or cease operations. Some businesses may choose to switch to a new product line to replace those firearms. A Conference Board of Canada study completed in September 2019 determined that sport shooting and hunting contribute $5.9 billion to Canada’s GDP, as well as $2.9 billion in labour income. The sport shooting and hunting industries also support approximately 48 000 jobs.

One-for-one rule
The one-for-one rule does not apply to these Regulations as there will be no incremental change in administrative burden to business. The Regulations do not introduce new administrative requirements for businesses.

Regulatory cooperation and alignment
As a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO) Canada must comply with different notification obligations before making regulations that could have an impact on trade. These notifications are in addition to Canada’s general obligations not to impose prohibitions on the importation or exportation of goods and not to treat some nations more favourably than others unless justified. Specifically, under the WTO’s Technical Barriers to Trade (TBT) Agreement, Canada must give notification of proposed regulations within a reasonable time. A WTO member may not be required to follow the normal notification periods under the TBT Agreement under certain circumstances, including urgent circumstances regarding safety, health, environmental protection or national security. The Government of Canada has taken the position that the prohibition of these firearms is a matter of public safety and security therefore Canada has not given the advance notification as required by the WTO. In addition, Canada has not given advance notice in an effort to avoiding creating a potential run on the market before it is frozen by the prohibition.

Strategic environmental assessment
There will be low environmental impacts resulting from the buy-back program and the subsequent disposal/destruction of prohibited firearms.

Gender-based analysis plus (GBA+)
Measures to limit access to firearms are expected to have different impacts on certain populations in Canada, such as males, who are the largest group of firearms owners, and youth, who are overrepresented as perpetrators of firearm-related crime. These measures would benefit both males and females, as about two-thirds of victims of gun violence are male; however, according to Statistics Canada approximately 85% of police-reported victims in 2016 of intimate partner violence incidents involving a firearm were women.

Measures to reduce access to firearms are expected to have a higher impact on western provinces, which experience firearm-related crimes at a higher rate compared to the rest of Canada.

Indigenous persons are victims of homicides involving firearms at a much higher rate than the Canadian population and this figure appears to be increasing. The total number of Indigenous victims of firearms-related homicides rose from 10.4% in 2014 to 13.5% in 2016.

Rationale
The Regulations address gun violence and the threat to public safety by assault-style firearms. The Government of Canada recognizes that their inherent deadliness makes them unsuitable for civilian use and a serious threat to public safety given the degree to which they can increase the severity of mass shootings.

Prescribing these firearms as prohibited supports the Government’s objective to ban assault-style firearms and to reduce the risk of diversion to illegal markets for criminal use. The prescribed list represents the most prevalent assault-style firearms in the Canadian market. The list prohibits assault-style firearms within the Canadian market that have semi-automatic action with sustained rapid-fire capability, including the AR-15 and its variants or modified versions thereof. Any firearm having a 20 mm bore or greater (e.g. grenade launchers) or a capability of discharging a projectile with a muzzle energy above 10 000 joules (e.g. .50 calibre sniper rifles) will also be prohibited.

Prohibiting additional firearms and providing an amnesty for the disposal of prevalent assault-style firearms and other firearms exceeding safe civilian use will respond directly to a key and growing public safety concern that these firearms are not suitable for civilian use as they can and have been used in mass shootings in Canada and internationally. The addition of the newly prohibited firearms to the Classification Regulations aligns with the Government’s mandate to ban assault-style firearms and reduce the risk of diversion of firearms to the illegal market.

The prohibited firearms are tactical and/or military-style firearms and are not reasonable for hunting or sport shooting. Individuals may have used some of the listed firearms for hunting purposes on the basis that they were previously classified as non-restricted firearms. In addition, some of the listed firearms may have been used by individuals for sport shooting on the basis that they have been classified as restricted or non-restricted. However, the fact that these firearms are sometimes used for hunting or sport shooting does not supersede the fact that they were built with the intent to be used by the military and are capable of killing a large number of people in a short period of time. Due to the public safety concerns posed by these firearms, they are not reasonable for use in Canada for hunting or sport shooting purposes.

The Regulations also prescribe the upper receivers of M16, AR-10, AR-15 and M4 pattern firearms to be prohibited devices in order to ensure that these firearms cannot easily be used with illicitly manufactured or acquired lower receivers. The M16, AR-10, AR-15 and M4 firearms are modular firearms consisting of the lower receiver assembly, which is the component bearing the serial number and subject to registration and that is now prohibited; and the upper receiver assembly, which is the pressure-bearing component and has not previously been regulated. An owner could possess two or more upper receiver assemblies, which can be mounted and dismounted on a lower receiver assembly according to the needs of the occasion. If upper receivers were not also prohibited, there would be an important public safety risk that the upper receiver assemblies would be mated with an illegal lower receiver (i.e. smuggled, made from a receiver blank, or manufactured by 3D printing to supply the illegal market) thus creating unmarked untraceable M16, AR-10, AR-15 or M4 firearms, commonly known as “ghost guns.” Prohibiting the upper receiver of these rifles will reduce the quantities in circulation and render it much more difficult to illicitly fabricate working firearms.

The Amnesty Order encourages compliance with the law and seeks to protect lawful firearms owners who acted in good faith when they acquired the firearms before the coming into force of Regulations and the Amnesty Order. It provides affected owners with a reasonable amount of time to divest themselves of the firearms by any of the means set out in the Amnesty Order. The Government intends to implement a buy-back program which would allow affected owners to declare their intent to participate in the program in order to be eligible for compensation once the owner turns in the firearm. A grandfathering regime would also be made available for owners of the newly prohibited firearms.

Implementation, compliance and enforcement, and service standards
The disposal of the prescribed prohibited firearms is dependent on voluntary compliance by affected owners and businesses. Calculation of the compliance rate will be complicated by the lack of information about non-restricted firearms and their owners; the compliance rate for non-restricted firearms will be based on the number of owners who declare themselves to be in possession of one or more affected firearms. The amount of compensation being offered per firearm may also affect the level of compliance. Communications are in place emphasizing the obligation on affected owners to comply with the new prohibitions, and further public communications on the compensation program will follow in the near future.

There is also a risk that affected firearms owners may elect to replace their firearms with models unaffected by the ban, causing a market displacement. This risk may be mitigated by adding additional makes and models to the list of prohibited firearms in the future.

The amendment to the Classification Regulations and the Amnesty Order come into force on the day on which they are made. The Amnesty Order will expire on April 30, 2022. Those who remain in possession of these firearms or devices at the end of the amnesty period could be subject to criminal liability for unlawful possession.

Contact
By mail:

Public Safety Canada
269 Laurier Avenue West
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0P8

General enquiries:

Telephone: 1‑800‑731‑4000
Fax: 613‑825‑0297
Email: ps.firearms-armesafeu.sp@canada.ca



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[JD¹³]

Mike I like that you completely ignored my response to your post and then went on an additional rant using the exact same fallacies and hypocrisy. So I'll break it down one by one.
Quit using your "van" or "truck" logic. Vehicles aren't designed to kill people.

Assault rifles are designed to kill people, very different argument here, you're using a straw-man.

Should Bazookas be legal too then? If a line can't be drawn, what's the point of any limits to what we are able to access? I should be able to purchase a fully kitted out Apache too, then.
A line was already drawn. In Canada firearms owners are heavily screened and investigated by the RCMP prior to being issued a license. In fact the name of every license holder is run through the national police database every day. You want to buy an SKS which was developed in the early 40's and saw its first action killing Germans in the hands of the Red Army in early 1945. It then proliferated throughout the Eastern Block and the world and has killed who knows how many people in its long history. Hypocrite much? If you just wanted to use to for target shooting well guess what, so did every other Canadian who is now having their firearm named illegal and confiscated. Guess what, THIS IS THE SAME RIFLE!
https://i.redd.it/u3nrcdcdtq021.jpg

The people posting in here talking about illegal guns. Lets be real here, the average Tom, dick or Harry does not have the contacts available to purchase an illegal gun.
And yet an average middle-aged man running a quaint dentist's office in small town Nova Scotia was able to obtain multiple firearms illegally from inside and outside the country. Point proven wrong.

Don't hit me with the dark web arguments, as I said, most people do not know how to navigate that segment of society.

Criminals will always have access to guns whether illegal or not.
Exactly! So why are you for the confiscation of personal property from citizens who never broke the law? The government should be spending money on reducing the ability for criminals to move and acquire illegal weapons, especially across the porous American border. Instead they're spending multiple times the budget punishing law-abiding citizens than they are on increased ability of police and intelligence networks and the CBSA.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tasker-us-border-illegal-firearms-1.5551432
"Illegal smuggling over the Canada-U.S. border is the source of untold thousands of firearms floating around the country. The U.S. is the source of anywhere from 70 to 99 per cent of the guns — mostly handguns — used in the commission of crimes here, depending on the municipality where the crimes are committed."
"The cost of that program has been pegged at $250 million but Friedman said he suspects it will be many times that amount, given there are tens of thousands of what could be described as "assault-style" firearms in circulation. Meanwhile, the federal Liberal government has committed just $87 million over five years for detection dogs, X-ray technology, ballistics testing and other measures to stifle rising gun violence."

Does this sound like responsible spending of your tax dollars and effective policy? Point proven right.

So what is the overall goal here? To arm more legal Canadians with assault rifles? That NRA talking point hasn't worked very well in the US, has it?
What the fuck are you talking about? No one has said that any time anywhere in any argument. #strawman

I don't understand the obsession and need to own an assault rifle, please explain to me how much a fundamental difference it makes to your daily life?
It's a hobby pursued by millions of Canadians, just because it doesn't interest you is irrelevant. Yesterday you were talking about getting your PAL and buying an assault rifle derived platform that operates in the exact same fashion! How do you not see your own hypocrisy here? The same position of "how does it affect your daily life" can be made against sports cars, tattoos, or anything you want to narrow in on.

Someone pose me here some stats. What is the percentage of Canadians that have their PAL? What is the percentage of Canadians that own assault rifles? I guarantee you that number is extremely low.
You could do this yourself in a few seconds but you're lazy and it doesn't fit your narrative. Over 2.2 million individuals are licensed in Canada, so almost 6% of the national population. An untold number more can legally shoot firearms under the supervision of those license holders. So in short, a lot of fucking people have this hobby in Canada.

Should the overall safety of the population be beholden to a small segment of people?
What's your point here? If it's the military and police then yes, that's their duty that they volunteered for. Licensed firearm owners aren't the ones committing mass shootings, and as linked above illegal guns from the US make up the vast vast majority of those used in crime.

Let's be real here, the majority of mass shootings in the States have been with assault rifles. Canada has not had many, but that's due to our laws, the barrier of entry (background checks, and PAL) is a big reason to that. Perhaps culture is another factor. Either way, wouldn't it make sense to think ahead and begin to limit such access in order to avoid slipping into the environment we're seeing with our neighbors down south?
Just like I said in my first post knowing you were going to go this route: you're using the US as a comparable when it's not. They have completely different societal norms around firearms as a result of Constitutional Law, not to mention the different laws in all 50 states and the culture of violence that was literally the birth of the country. There are a lot of countries around the world with high rates of firearms per capita that do not have the gun violence problem that the US does - it is completely unique in that regard. To be honest your whole post is a mess and shows that you don't really know a damn thing about the subject. Edit: Also the number of mass shootings in Canada using an "assault rifle" is ONE (1). Don't make false and misleadingly vague statements to support a narrative.

As expected, Trudeau lied to Canadians again. Now he's gone from a dozen or so firearms to 1500. He's taking as many as he can and yet not targeting handguns: the grossly over-represented firearm used by criminals. Canadians need to wake the fuck up and realize that Trudeau is closing in on dictatorship level policy. He has to date:

- Complete lack of personal and professional accountability from himself or his cabinet
- Multiple breaches of ethics violations
- Blatant corruption and favoritism
- Made major media outlets essentially federally owned through subsidies
- Attempted to limit free speech in the press by forcing them to register
- Attempted to pass law allowing himself and his party to have spending and taxing power without parliamentary oversight
- Turns law-abiding Canadians in to criminals overnight, is confiscating personal property
- Disarming a segment of the population.

By the way Indigenous groups are exempt from this new law with a hunting record, and yet Trudeau said in his address that "You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer". So the law itself is a Charter violation and he's done it with without parliamentary oversight or approval. This guy is such a hypocrite and complete fucking clown. This is a power grab that has nothing to do with public safety. If anyone can't see that they've got their eyes closed.

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95 Any firearm with a bore diameter of 20 mm or greater — other than one designed exclusively for the purpose of neutralizing explosive devices — including the

(a) Aerotek NTW;
(b) Airtronic M203;
(c) Alpimex APK 20;
(d) Amtec Less-Lethal Systems (ALS) 40MM Launcher;
(e) Anzio Ironworks Anzio 20;
(f) Argentine Mortar FMK2 81MM;
(g) Argentine Mortar FMK2 120MM;
(h) Argentine Mortar FMK1 60MM;
(i) Argentine Mortar FMK2 60MM;
(j) Argentine Mortar FMK3 60MM;
(k) Armsan BA 40;
(l) Armscor Stopper;
(m) Arsenal UGGL-M1;
(n) Arsenal UBGL;
(o) Arsenal MSGL;
(p) Astra Arms SL203;
(q) Astra Arms GL203;
(r) Austrian Mortar C6 60MM;
(s) Austrian Mortar M6 60MM;
(t) Austrian Mortar M8 81MM;
(u) Austrian Mortar M12 120MM;
(v) Bates & Dittus UBL-37;
(w) Bates & Dittus ExD-37;
(x) Bates & Dittus TBL-37;
(y) Bates & Dittus SML-37 Pistol;
(z) Beretta GLX160;
(z.001) British Mortar ML-3 Inch;
(z.002) British Mortar ML-4.2 Inch;
(z.003) Brugger & Thomet GL06;
(z.004) Bulgarian Mortar M60 60MM;
(z.005) Bulgarian Mortar M81 81MM;
(z.006) Bulgarian Mortar M82 82MM;
(z.007) Chilean Mortar Commando;
(z.008) Chilean Mortar M57 81MM;
(z.009) China Lake EX-41;
(z.01) Chinese Mortar Type 53;
(z.011) Cobray 37MM Launcher;
(z.012) Colt Eagle;
(z.013) Colt M203;
(z.014) Colt M79;
(z.015) Corner Blast PGL A1;
(z.016) CQ Type CQ 40MM;
(z.017) Croatian Service RT-20;
(z.018) CZ CZ805 G1;
(z.019) Czech Weapons SAG 30;
(z.02) Czech Weapons CZW 40;
(z.021) Czechoslovakian Mortar VZ52;
(z.022) Daewoo K201;
(z.023) Defense Technology L8;
(z.024) Defense Technology 40MM Launcher;
(z.025) Defense Technology 37MM Gas Gun;
(z.026) Defense Technology 37MM Gas Gun Pistol;
(z.027) Defense Technology 1375 Multi-Launcher;
(z.028) Degtyarev ASVK;
(z.029) Denel NTW 20HS;
(z.03) Denel PAW-20;
(z.031) Denel NTW;
(z.032) Dezamet GSBO-40;
(z.033) Dezamet GPBO-40;
(z.034) Diemaco M203A1;
(z.035) Diemaco Eagle;
(z.036) DPMS A-15 37MM Launcher;
(z.037) DSA 40MM Launcher;
(z.038) DSA Incorporated M203;
(z.039) Elite Machining ELM-40;
(z.04) ERE Systems M203 ERE Elite Launcher;
(z.041) Et Cetera 37MM Launcher;
(z.042) Exotic Firearms Nemesis-SL;
(z.043) Federal Laboratories 201Z;
(z.044) Federal Laboratories 203A;
(z.045) Federal Laboratories Federal Gas Riot Gun;
(z.046) Floro International 40MM Launcher;
(z.047) Floro International M400;
(z.048) Floro International M203;
(z.049) FN EGLM;
(z.05) FN MARK 13 Model 0;
(z.051) FN FN40GL;
(z.052) German Anti-Tank Rifle GrB39;
(z.053) German Anti-Tank Rifle M41;
(z.054) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB38;
(z.055) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB39;
(z.056) German Anti-Tank Rifle PzB41;
(z.057) German Mortar 1934 Granatwerfer;
(z.058) German Mortar Kurzer Granatewerfer 42;
(z.059) Greek Mortar C6 60MM;
(z.06) Greek Mortar E44 81MM;
(z.061) Greek Mortar E56 120MM;
(z.062) Heckler & Koch HKMZP1;
(z.063) Heckler & Koch HK69A1 Granatpistole;
(z.064) Heckler & Koch HKAG-G36;
(z.065) Heckler & Koch HKAG-C;
(z.066) Heckler & Koch HKXM320;
(z.067) Heckler & Koch HKAG-HK416;
(z.068) Heckler & Koch HKAG 36;
(z.069) Heckler & Koch HKGLM;
(z.07) Heckler & Koch HKAG-M16A4;
(z.071) Heckler & Koch HKAG-M4;
(z.072) Heckler & Koch HKM320;
(z.073) Heckler & Koch HKM320 A1;
(z.074) Heckler & Koch HK168E1;
(z.075) Heckler & Koch HK79;
(z.076) Heckler & Koch HK269;
(z.077) Heckler & Koch HK169;
(z.078) Helenius RK20;
(z.079) Helenius RK99 MARK 2;
(z.08) Hotchkiss 1934 Canon SAH;
(z.081) IOF Ugra;
(z.082) IOF UBGL;
(z.083) IOF Vidhwansak;
(z.084) Israeli Mortar C03;
(z.085) Italian Mortar Otobreda 81MM;
(z.086) IWI UBGL;
(z.087) Japanese Anti-Tank Rifle Type 97;
(z.088) Knights Armament Company M203;
(z.089) Lahti 39;
(z.09) Lake Erie Chemical Company Tru-Flite;
(z.091) Lamperd L40SL;
(z.092) LEI M203-PR;
(z.093) LMT M203;
(z.094) LMT M2032003 FMT;
(z.095) LMT 37MM Launcher;
(z.096) LMT 40MM Launcher;
(z.097) Luvo M203;
(z.098) Maadi UBGL;
(z.099) Manville Manville Gas Gun;
(z.1) Metallic Limited RBG-1;
(z.101) Metallic Limited RBG-6;
(z.102) Milkor Stopper;
(z.103) Milkor MGL MARK 1;
(z.104) Milkor M79;
(z.105) Milkor MRGL;
(z.106) Milkor USA MGL-140 M32;
(z.107) Milkor USA MGL-140;
(z.108) Milkor USA MGL-105;
(z.109) Milkor USA MGL-AV140;
(z.11) Missile Launcher 9K111 Fagot;
(z.111) Missile Launcher 9K310 Igla-1;
(z.112) Missile Launcher 9K32 Strela-2;
(z.113) Missile Launcher 9K34 Strela-3;
(z.114) Missile Launcher 9K38 Igla;
(z.115) Missile Launcher BGM-71 TOW;
(z.116) Missile Launcher Eryx;
(z.117) Missile Launcher FGM-148 Javelin;
(z.118) Missile Launcher FIM-43 Redeye;
(z.119) Missile Launcher FIM-92 Stinger;
(z.12) Missile Launcher HN-5;
(z.121) Missile Launcher Ingwe;
(z.122) Missile Launcher M47 Dragon;
(z.123) Missile Launcher MILAN;
(z.124) Missile Launcher Saegheh;
(z.125) Missile Launcher Starstreak;
(z.126) Missile Launcher Toophan;
(z.127) Missile Launcher Type 79;
(z.128) MKE T40;
(z.129) MKE Grenade Launcher;
(z.13) Oerlikon SSG 32;
(z.131) Oerlikon SSG 36;
(z.132) Ordnance Group TAC79;
(z.133) Ordnance Group TAC-D;
(z.134) Penn Arms L140;
(z.135) Penn Arms H140;
(z.136) Penn Arms P540;
(z.137) Penn Arms L640;
(z.138) Penn Arms P837;
(z.139) Penn Arms L837;
(z.14) Penn Arms L137;
(z.141) Penn Arms AML1-37;
(z.142) Penn Arms HL;
(z.143) Penn Arms HG;
(z.144) Penn Arms L8;
(z.145) Penn Arms L6;
(z.146) Penn Arms L1;
(z.147) Penn Arms GL1;
(z.148) Penn Arms PGL65;
(z.149) Penn Arms GL6;
(z.15) Penn Arms GL65;
(z.151) Penn Arms PL8;
(z.152) Penn Arms TL1;
(z.153) Penn Arms TL8;
(z.154) Penn Arms TGL1;
(z.155) Penn Arms TGL6;
(z.156) Pindad SPG-1;
(z.157) PMP NTW;
(z.158) Polish Grenade Launcher Wz74;
(z.159) Polish Grenade Launcher Wz83;
(z.16) Portuguese Mortar M965;
(z.161) Portuguese Mortar M937;
(z.162) Recoilless Rifle AT4;
(z.163) Recoilless Rifle B-10;
(z.164) Recoilless Rifle FMK1 105MM;
(z.165) Recoilless Rifle Folgore;
(z.166) Recoilless Rifle M136 AT4;
(z.167) Recoilless Rifle M18A1;
(z.168) Recoilless Rifle M40A1;
(z.169) Recoilless Rifle M60;
(z.17) Recoilless Rifle M60A;
(z.171) Recoilless Rifle M65;
(z.172) Recoilless Rifle Pansarskott M68 Miniman;
(z.173) Recoilless Rifle RGW 60;
(z.174) Recoilless Rifle RGW 90;
(z.175) Recoilless Rifle SPG-9;
(z.176) Recoilless Rifle Type 36 M18A1 Recoilless Rifle Copy;
(z.177) Recoilless Rifle Type 65;
(z.178) Recoilless Rifle Type 78;
(z.179) Rippel Effect XRGL40;
(z.18) Rippel Effect LL40;
(z.181) RM Equipment M203PI;
(z.182) Rocket Launcher P27;
(z.183) Rocket Launcher RPG-27 Tavolga;
(z.184) Rocket Launcher ALAC;
(z.185) Rocket Launcher MARA;
(z.186) Rocket Launcher Shipon;
(z.187) Rocket Launcher RPG-22 Netto;
(z.188) Rocket Launcher MARK 153 SMAW;
(z.189) Rocket Launcher B-300;
(z.19) Rocket Launcher RPG-26 Aglen;
(z.191) Rocket Launcher RPG-76;
(z.192) Rocket Launcher RPG-7;
(z.193) Rocket Launcher M1;
(z.194) Rocket Launcher M1A1;
(z.195) Rocket Launcher M9;
(z.196) Rocket Launcher RPG-75;
(z.197) Rocket Launcher LRAC89-F1;
(z.198) Rocket Launcher RPG-16 Udar;
(z.199) Rocket Launcher RPG-7B;
(z.2) Rocket Launcher RL100 Blindicide;
(z.201) Rocket Launcher M141 SMAW-D;
(z.202) Rocket Launcher MARK 777 RPG;
(z.203) Rocket Launcher ATGL RPG;
(z.204) Rocket Launcher Type 69 RPG;
(z.205) Rocket Launcher Type 56 RPG;
(z.206) Rocket Launcher RPG-2;
(z.207) Rocket Launcher Cobra RPG;
(z.208) Rocket Launcher Panzerfaust 3;
(z.209) Rocket Launcher APILAS;
(z.21) Rocket Launcher Wasp;
(z.211) Rocket Launcher Bunkerfaust;
(z.212) Rocket Launcher Type 2004 RPG;
(z.213) Rocket Launcher PF98;
(z.214) Rocket Launcher RPG-28 Klyukva;
(z.215) Rocket Launcher RPG-29 Vampir;
(z.216) Rocket Launcher FT5;
(z.217) Rocket Launcher C90;
(z.218) Rocket Launcher M20B1;
(z.219) Rocket Launcher M72;
(z.22) Romarm AG-40;
(z.221) Russian Artillery M1942 Anti-Tank Gun;
(z.222) Russian Mortar M1937;
(z.223) Russian Service DP-64;
(z.224) Sabre Defence Industries XR40;
(z.225) Sabre Defence Industries XR37;
(z.226) Sage ML40 MARK 1;
(z.227) Sage Ace 37MM Launcher;
(z.228) Sage Ace 40MM Launcher;
(z.229) Sage Deuce 37MM Launcher;
(z.23) Sage Deuce 40MM Launcher;
(z.231) Schermuly 38MM Multi-Purpose Gun;
(z.232) Singapore Technologies Kinetics 40GL;
(z.233) Smith & Wesson 210/276;
(z.234) Smith & Wesson 276;
(z.235) Solothurn S18-100;
(z.236) Solothurn S18-1000;
(z.237) Spike’s Tactical 37MM Launcher STZ Havoc;
(z.238) Swiss Anti Tank Rifle Tankbusche 41;
(z.239) Swiss Arms GL5040;
(z.24) Swiss Arms GL5140;
(z.241) Swiss Arms GLG40;
(z.242) Taiwanese Grenade Launcher T85;
(z.243) Tarnow RGP-40;
(z.244) Tarnow GP40;
(z.245) Tarnow GS40;
(z.246) Truvelo SR20;
(z.247) Truvelo HSR 20;
(z.248) Truvelo CMS 20;
(z.249) US Mortar M2;
(z.25) US Mortar M1;
(z.251) US Mortar XM224E3;
(z.252) US Ordnance M6 37MM Gun;
(z.253) US Recoilless M18; and
(z.254) US Recoilless M20.

This is where the list gets really confusing. Were missile launchers, grenade launcher, rocket launchers and mortars legal to own before?

[mikemhg]

Mike I like that you completely ignored my response to your post and then went on an additional rant using the exact same fallacies and hypocrisy. So I'll break it down one by one.

Just like I said in my first post knowing you were going to go this route: you're using the US as a comparable when it's not. They have completely different societal norms around firearms as a result of Constitutional Law, not to mention the different laws in all 50 states and the culture of violence that was literally the birth of the country. There are a lot of countries around the world with high rates of firearms per capita that do not have the gun violence problem that the US does - it is completely unique in that regard. To be honest your whole post is a mess and shows that you don't really know a damn thing about the subject. Edit: Also the number of mass shootings in Canada using an "assault rifle" is ONE (1). Don't make false and misleadingly vague statements to support a narrative.

As expected, Trudeau lied to Canadians again. Now he's gone from a dozen or so firearms to 1500. He's taking as many as he can and yet not targeting handguns: the grossly over-represented firearm used by criminals. Canadians need to wake the fuck up and realize that Trudeau is closing in on dictatorship level policy. He has to date:

- Complete lack of personal and professional accountability from himself or his cabinet
- Multiple breaches of ethics violations
- Blatant corruption and favoritism
- Made major media outlets essentially federally owned through subsidies
- Attempted to limit free speech in the press by forcing them to register
- Attempted to pass law allowing himself and his party to have spending and taxing power without parliamentary oversight
- Turns law-abiding Canadians in to criminals overnight, is confiscating personal property
- Disarming a segment of the population.

By the way Indigenous groups are exempt from this new law with a hunting record, and yet Trudeau said in his address that "You don't need an AR-15 to bring down a deer". So the law itself is a Charter violation and he's done it with without parliamentary oversight or approval. This guy is such a hypocrite and complete fucking clown. This is a power grab that has nothing to do with public safety. If anyone can't see that they've got their eyes closed.

I did not ignore your response JD13. Frankly, I don't have any interest in debating gun rights on this forum, it's not a passion of mine, and I simply don't care.

Clearly this is a major hobby of yours, you've made it clear you enjoy your guns, I personally could care less.

Guess what, if I couldn't purchase an SKS, I'd purchase something else, I don't see how I would be considered a hypocrite here.

You mentioned tattoos and sport cars, yes both things I enjoy, and guess what both aren't designed to kill people, so I don't see the relevance of your argument.

In terms of stats, of course I looked, that's why I asked someone to pose them, knowing full well it's an extremely small segment of the population:

https://i.imgur.com/YWRXmUv.png

The above provides a better insight to show that the majority of PAL owners reside in our rural provinces. A mere 4% in Ontario and 6% in BC/Quebec, our most populated provinces.

I get it, you hate Trudeau, you hate everything he's done, and everything he stands for. At the end of the day, the ban is in effect now, so what else is there to debate?

You didn't answer my question, explain to me how much this fundamentally changes your daily life? How many assault rifles do you own, JD13?

[Manic!]

I realize guns are “scary” and kill people. However, for a collector or enthusiast I don’t really see how it’s any different than collecting watches or any other frivolous hobby

There’s actually a fair bit of mechanical beauty and machining in higher end stuff and some of the higher end shotguns and handguns are virtually peices of art in their own right.

I know watches don’t kill people but it’s not that far fetched of a comparison imo

https://i.imgur.com/zlCH2vO.jpg
If all your going to do is hang them on the wall just make them so they don't fire. Problem solved.

[JD¹³]

You didn't answer my question, explain to me how much this fundamentally changes your daily life? How many assault rifles do you own, JD13?
It affects me the same as it affects you: a baseless erosion of your rights and freedoms. These new laws were done by order-in-council from cabinet without parliamentary oversight and thus no legislation, and that's inappropriate given the size of the population they impact. This has turned hundreds of thousands of innocent Canadians in to potential paper criminals. The government is seizing personal property and I can guarantee you will not be reimbursing firearm owners for the true cost of said property. People need to understand the big picture of how wrong this is. Plus, it's piss poor policy on a number of counts (logic, cost, logistics, enforcement, and more).

I'm an RPAL holder but do not currently own any restricted firearms as my living situation doesn't make it feasible. I sold my rifle and sidearm before leaving the CF, I currently only have a shotgun. I'm so against this power grab because it's completely illogical, a huge waste of money, and yeah because the Liberal government is corrupt and inept as fuck. But I'd be equally against it if any party did it in this manner.

[twitchyzero]

name me the last time tattoo and sports car wounded 400 people in minutes

is it the most efficient use of tax dollar? maybe not but it's a start?

thanked you because they should go thru the legislative process

edit did Ottawa say what they’re gonna do with the stockpile?

[68style]

Fun fact: You can’t change anything without pissing someone off

Corrupt “liberal party” lol... show me a time any political party in power hasn’t been accused of corruption ffs

[JD¹³]

name me the last time tattoo and sports car wounded 400 people in minutes

is it the most efficient use of tax dollar? maybe not but it's a start?
Please. That's not what I was stating. It's a metaphorical comparison of pursuing a hobby not a direct comparison of how deadly tattoos are :rolleyes: The point is that if you have a legal hobby you should be able to pursue it without the government outlawing it without logical precedent or oversight, then punishing you financially to do so by confiscating your property.

This change doesn't affect my life at all as a sit here now, but I understand the precedent it sets for all of us and the fallacy behind it. That's why I'm so against it.

[twitchyzero]

still dont feel it's a priority right now and definitely agree there should be a rigorious process to outlaw them

but i'm not mad something is being done either because at the end of the day it's just a hobby! life goes on, can't say the same for all those victims no longer with us

[hchang]

wtf happened in this thread lol

[murd0c]

So is the SKS now banned? I can't seem to see it on the list and I'm hearing conflicting reports from people that it is and that it isn't.

[Tegra_Devil]

So is the SKS now banned? I can't seem to see it on the list and I'm hearing conflicting reports from people that it is and that it isn't.

The SKS isnt banned as of yet. But similar models are, and Trudeau has stated this list will keep increasing with more variations of guns

[Hondaracer]

Tempted to buy another SKS tbh.. although prices may be going up

[SkinnyPupp]

It affects me the same as it affects you: a baseless erosion of your rights and freedoms. These new laws were done by order-in-council from cabinet without parliamentary oversight and thus no legislation, and that's inappropriate given the size of the population they impact. This has turned hundreds of thousands of innocent Canadians in to potential paper criminals. The government is seizing personal property and I can guarantee you will not be reimbursing firearm owners for the true cost of said property. People need to understand the big picture of how wrong this is. Plus, it's piss poor policy on a number of counts (logic, cost, logistics, enforcement, and more).

I'm an RPAL holder but do not currently own any restricted firearms as my living situation doesn't make it feasible. I sold my rifle and sidearm before leaving the CF, I currently only have a shotgun. I'm so against this power grab because it's completely illogical, a huge waste of money, and yeah because the Liberal government is corrupt and inept as fuck. But I'd be equally against it if any party did it in this manner.
Would it be more reasonable if the govt allowed people to keep these collectors items if they were permanently disabled? Is the ability to kill people a necessary part of collecting them? (seriously, I wouldn't know)

If it's just target shooting, there are plenty of legal guns still out there to own, so that shouldn't be an issue.

[kr4l]

Would it be more reasonable if the govt allowed people to keep these collectors items if they were permanently disabled? Is the ability to kill people a necessary part of collecting them? (seriously, I wouldn't know)

If it's just target shooting, there are plenty of legal guns still out there to own, so that shouldn't be an issue.

There plenty of legal guns to own until they aren’t legal anymore..

[Bouncing Bettys]

Would it be more reasonable if the govt allowed people to keep these collectors items if they were permanently disabled? Is the ability to kill people a necessary part of collecting them? (seriously, I wouldn't know)

If it's just target shooting, there are plenty of legal guns still out there to own, so that shouldn't be an issue.
If they were to ban all classic/muscle/rods/exotics and the ability to modify, would a car enthusiast be happy driving all the varieties of econoboxes still allowed?

[SkinnyPupp]

If they were to ban all classic/muscle/rods/exotics and the ability to modify, would a car enthusiast be happy driving all the varieties of econoboxes still allowed?
I wish people would stop trying to make the same analogy over and over that doesn't work. You're like the 4th person to do so in this very thread.

Collecting things that are designed to kill people is not the same as collecting muscle cars or watches.

Not anti gun here, but I would never use that argument.

[Hondaracer]

Everyone an expert in something they’ve never even touched in this thread.

They do have comparisons in vehicles etc because they become worthless in their deactivation. It’s car vs a plastic model. Would anyone be interested in cars if they were made in a mold and did nothing? Like literally did nothing to the point where you can’t pop the hood or even open a door? Because that’s the equivalent to a deactivated gun. Welded shut barrel, welded shut action, welded shut receiver. Useless, a piece of metal.

Oh you have a 500hp car? Well guess what, by tomorrow you’re only allowed to have 150hp. Oh you spent a bunch of money on that “hobby” of yours? Well fuck you others didn’t so figure it out. Oh you spent thousands of dollars to get this vehicle that way? Ok well here’s $300 to cover your loss. That’s what’s happening.

People who have never held a gun, don’t participate in the hobby, know literally nothing of it, telling people who legally, safely, and actively participate in the hobby to “not worry about it” or say things like why do you need this or that obviously are not privy to the slippery slope these actions cause. It’s no different than the blind, sweeping restrictions enabled by the same libs in the 90’s.

Once you give an inch, they take a mile and they do not care who gets swept up in it. That’s the issue.

This has a trickle down effect. I’d say a good portion (probably 50%+) of gun owners are also hunters. People who have continually being fucked in the ass for participating in another “hobby” well these people are also some of the biggest advocates and participants in conversation and habitat rehabilitation for wildlife. As these people dry up and there become fewer and fewer who want to participate there is going to be a DRASTIC effect to wildlife and habitat conservation, mark my words. The only reason the govt. funds these projects at all is because there are organizations like the BCWF, Ducks Unlimited, etc. Which have countless volunteers, some who literally dedicate their lives to wildlife conservation. This is another huge hit to participation in these groups.

But hey, these are the same criminals who might commit an atrocious crime so better sweep them up in your asanine policies.

Edit* also the fact that this seemingly does not apply to native people is fucking grossssss.. for fuck sakes #Reconciliation

[SkinnyPupp]

Everyone an expert in something they’ve never even touched in this thread.

They do have comparisons in vehicles etc because they become worthless in their deactivation. It’s car vs a plastic model. Would anyone be interested in cars if they were made in a mold and did nothing? Like literally did nothing to the point where you can’t pop the hood or even open a door? Because that’s the equivalent to a deactivated gun. Welded shut barrel, welded shut action, welded shut receiver. Useless, a piece of metal.

Oh you have a 500hp car? Well guess what, by tomorrow you’re only allowed to have 150hp. Oh you spent a bunch of money on that “hobby” of yours? Well fuck you others didn’t so figure it out. Oh you spent thousands of dollars to get this vehicle that way? Ok well here’s $300 to cover your loss. That’s what’s happening.

People who have never held a gun, don’t participate in the hobby, know literally nothing of it, telling people who legally, safely, and actively participate in the hobby to “not worry about it” or say things like why do you need this or that obviously are not privy to the slippery slope these actions cause. It’s no different than the blind, sweeping restrictions enabled by the same libs in the 90’s.

Once you give an inch, they take a mile and they do not care who gets swept up in it. That’s the issue.

This has a trickle down effect. I’d say a good portion (probably 50%+) of gun owners are also hunters. People who have continually being fucked in the ass for participating in another “hobby” well these people are also some of the biggest advocates and participants in conversation and habitat rehabilitation for wildlife. As these people dry up and there become fewer and fewer who want to participate there is going to be a DRASTIC effect to wildlife and habitat conservation, mark my words. The only reason the govt. funds these projects at all is because there are organizations like the BCWF, Ducks Unlimited, etc. Which have countless volunteers, some who literally dedicate their lives to wildlife conservation. This is another huge hit to participation in these groups.

But hey, these are the same criminals who might commit an atrocious crime so better sweep them up in your asanine policies.

Edit* also the fact that this seemingly does not apply to native people is fucking grossssss.. for fuck sakes #Reconciliation
Maybe some time in the future, collecting people-killers and shooting paper targets shaped like people with them will be seen as a relic of our violent past, and the only such guns that exist will be disabled permanently.

We'll look back at things like guns designed to harm people, and gas powered engines, as crude but necessary tools of our history, but we'll have moved on to better things since then.

Maybe this is just one step towards that, and can be considered a sort of 'growing pain' to society.

Because hunters will still be able to hunt, target enthusiasts will still be able to shoot targets with other types of guns.

I think this particular ban is sloppy and crude and leaves too much to misinterpretation, but the whole thing is kind of a sloppy mess to begin with, since nobody can agree on many terms.

If I was the type of gun enthusiast to be affected by this, I'd be pretty annoyed, but overall there are other more important things to worry about than not being able to own some very specific guns.

If feel like you can get around this dumb "assault style weapon" ban and enjoy a different gun, and feel like you can prove that "the ban was pointless, see I can still use this BAR rifle and it's just as dangerous as an AR-15".... well, go ahead.

[twitchyzero]

weapons to kill aren't going away as long as humans walk the earth
we've been violent the day we got here

just because i don't own doesn't mean i haven't tried tannerites and skeet targets, full autos with attachments etc. in the bush on multiple occasions

[Bouncing Bettys]

I wish people would stop trying to make the same analogy over and over that doesn't work. You're like the 4th person to do so in this very thread.

Collecting things that are designed to kill people is not the same as collecting muscle cars or watches.

Not anti gun here, but I would never use that argument.

I wasn't really making that argument. Simply pointing out that no two guns are the same and enthusiasts know that all guns have their own characteristics. Types, calibres, materials, etc. Even different manufacturers of the same models. I can tell you from experience how much better a Russian SKS is than a Chinese made copy. You asked why enthusiasts couldn't just enjoy disabled firearms or be happy with what remains unbanned. Because just like a car enthusiast wants to own and enjoy dangerous, gas guzzling, unreliable cars so long as they demonstrate safe practices, so too should a gun enthusiast. I don't want my options whittled down to econoboxes and nerf guns.

[MarkyMark]

Edit* also the fact that this seemingly does not apply to native people is fucking grossssss.. for fuck sakes #Reconciliation

Is that confirmed? If so that's pretty retarded.

[Hondaracer]

Is that confirmed? If so that's pretty retarded.

My interpretation of the wording is that there is an assumption the weapons some of them use currently cannot be easily replaced therefore you can continue to keep and use the “illegal” weapons you possess.

Ie. you’re using some AR with a 7.62 round which is ridiculously cheap compared to hunting rifle rounds, as I said you can buy HUNDREDS of rounds that go into these guns compared to say a 7mm hunting rifle which may run you $80-$150 for 20 rounds. As the price difference and the cost of buying an actual hunting rifle VS the current “illegal” gun you posses, you might as well keep using and possessing the illegal gun.

Turd wouldn’t want to step on any toes in his ever clouding quest of reconciliation.

[stewie]

I'm sure the next election will have conservatives all over this and use it as one of their highlights promising to reverse the ban if voted in.

[SkinnyPupp]

I wasn't really making that argument. Simply pointing out that no two guns are the same and enthusiasts know that all guns have their own characteristics. Types, calibres, materials, etc. Even different manufacturers of the same models. I can tell you from experience how much better a Russian SKS is than a Chinese made copy. You asked why enthusiasts couldn't just enjoy disabled firearms or be happy with what remains unbanned. Because just like a car enthusiast wants to own and enjoy dangerous, gas guzzling, unreliable cars so long as they demonstrate safe practices, so too should a gun enthusiast. I don't want my options whittled down to econoboxes and nerf guns.
I was responding to the idea that this is just a collecting thing, and collectors should be able to keep these guns and not use them.

So my thought is, if you're not going to use them, why do they need to be functional?

Car collectors may require their collectables to be functional, but in that case the function isn't "killing people"

[stewie]

This is a topic that can be discussed a thousand times but if those supporting the ban have never owned a firearm or been a recreational shooter/hunter then its a waste of a conversation. I've my RPAL and none of the firearms I own were on the banned list but its only a matter of time I suppose.

This os going to be a huge hit for The Range indoor shooting range in Langley. Their whole selling point is that you don't need a license to fire their guns, you just need to have an instructor with you the entire time. They've a 50cal rifle there that coats 20$ a shot. Some nights I'll hear that gun go off 20 times within a 1 - 2 hour period. Half their selection is based on assault rifles and pistols... This will destroy them



Skinnypupp, your question about why we need them functuonal. I only speak for myself but if I purchase something legally and it gets to the point where it needs to be rendered non functional, I'll simply remove the firing pin. Gun is 100% useless without that. No welding pieces shut. I want it to be as functional as it can. I would like them to be fully functional just because I don't feel i should have to suffer due to a few bad apples

[MarkyMark]

Is it confirmed that a shooting range that supplies the guns while you're there isn't exempt? This seems like a great way to let people get their assault rifle fix without actually having to own one.

[StylinRed]

Please. That's not what I was stating. It's a metaphorical comparison of pursuing a hobby not a direct comparison of how deadly tattoos are :rolleyes: The point is that if you have a legal hobby you should be able to pursue it without the government outlawing it without logical precedent or oversight, then punishing you financially to do so by confiscating your property.

This change doesn't affect my life at all as a sit here now, but I understand the precedent it sets for all of us and the fallacy behind it. That's why I'm so against it.

They're not confiscating guns... The buyback is not mandatory (should be though)

I find it interesting that the dentist that went nuts was an unlicensed owner though

But glad to see the government doing something, instead of nothing, like our neighbours to the south

Canada should do something about all the arms being smuggled over the border too, but that would require more stringent checks on ppl crossing the border, and they won't have that

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52505765

[underscore]

Once you give an inch, they take a mile and they do not care who gets swept up in it. That’s the issue.

Based on what? Genuine question, but the past changes to things like semi-auto magazine capacities didn't result in banning all guns.

Welded shut barrel, welded shut action, welded shut receiver.

IIRC the guns in the course just had a hole drilled in them and no firing pin, or are guns deactivated for the purpose of training different from guns deactivated for normal civilian ownership?

[Tegra_Devil]

As a gun owner, I would be absolutely content with this ruling if it:

-was a mandatory buy back at a generous market value.
-was a blanket ban, and didn't exclude native groups
-was grandfathered, so those who currently own could follow previous rules for use and transport, but ban making sale, trade etc

[Manic!]

This is a topic that can be discussed a thousand times but if those supporting the ban have never owned a firearm or been a recreational shooter/hunter then its a waste of a conversation. I've my RPAL and none of the firearms I own were on the banned list but its only a matter of time I suppose.

This os going to be a huge hit for The Range indoor shooting range in Langley. Their whole selling point is that you don't need a license to fire their guns, you just need to have an instructor with you the entire time. They've a 50cal rifle there that coats 20$ a shot. Some nights I'll hear that gun go off 20 times within a 1 - 2 hour period. Half their selection is based on assault rifles and pistols... This will destroy them





Just because a person does not own a gun does not mean guns don't affect them.

As for that gun range in Langley tough luck but thats part of doing business.

[welfare]

I'd suspect this one gun that was traced back to Canada is the gun he took from Const. Stevenson.
If so, the rest came from across the border.
Not sure if that was mentioned here yet or not.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/investigation-firearms-ns-shooting-1.5544180

Police have traced one of Wortman's weapons back to Canada, but believe the others may have been obtained in the United States, the RCMP revealed on Friday.

[stewie]

Just because a person does not own a gun does not mean guns don't affect them.

As for that gun range in Langley tough luck but thats part of doing business.

It wont affect them the same degree as it would to others.

Using that same line there are you going to apply it to all the small restaurants that are going under due to covid?
Can't afford to run your business anymore and make rent because you've got no sales? Tough luck.. Should've been a better restaurant. Have fun watching what you created get pissed in to a toilet.


This affects me more than it does you. You have 0 care about how it affects me and it's fine. I'm sure it goes both ways with other subjects in each of our lives. This just happens to be the flavor of the week.

[belka]

Canada should do something about all the arms being smuggled over the border too, but that would require more stringent checks on ppl crossing the border, and they won't have that]

Government didn't even force more stringent checks when covids was declared a pandemic. People were coming into this country for weeks and all they were required to do was answer a questionnaire on a computer screen. We have the most inept and useless group of idiots in charge of this country right now.

also the fact that this seemingly does not apply to native people is fucking grossssss.. for fuck sakes #Reconciliation

Cross border guns won't be an issue anymore. Criminals can just roll up to the res and buy whatever they want. This is going to create a whole new network of illegal gun ownership filtering through aboriginal communities. Its FN tradition, before the white man came, to use assault rifles in their hunts. :lol Fuck this government is retarded.

[Manic!]

This affects me more than it does you.

I really doubt that.

[kr4l]

This gun ban has nothing to do with safety. It’s all about taking your rights away and that’s why everyone’s arguments and opinions aren’t going anywhere.

It’s very similar to the VI thread. If it effects you, you care. If it doesn’t, who gives a shit.

People who mod there cars take care of them better than your average joe. It’s the same with gun owners. They take care of their shit and make sure it’s stored securely and safely

Now if legal firearms were causing many deaths and mass shootings in canada, sure let’s ban guns. I get it. But to do it out of the blue for no apparent reason, well, that’s just not right imo

[6793026]

Compared to USA, our regulations on gun control is very "strict". Looking at Asia (Hong Kong, Singapore, malaysia etc ... not Thailand hahaha), you'll be blown away how Canada is so open /free to even go to a gun range.

let's see how this pans out; will grandfathered laws come into affect, will the next government throw this out the door during the next election....

we all know how Harper's registry worked out.

[Manic!]

Now if legal firearms were causing many deaths and mass shootings in canada, sure let’s ban guns. I get it. But to do it out of the blue for no apparent reason, well, that’s just not right imo

Majority of the mass shootings in Canada are done by legal gun owners. Also, it was not out of the blue it was a campain promise.

[kr4l]

Majority of the mass shootings in Canada are done by legal gun owners. Also, it was not out of the blue it was a campain promise.

How many mass shootings have we had that were done with legally owned ar15’s? Because to say the majority of mass shootings are done by legal gun owners makes it sound like it’s happening on the daily. Also, why didn’t we do this ban when these mass shooting sprees happened?

You’re also correct about the campaign promise so I take that back.

[welfare]

Can someone explain how this ban was able to be implemented without first being passed through parliament? Or even voted on? With a minority government?
TIA.

[donk.]

lets ban assult rifles because they kill people

so i can still walk into a mall with two pistols and 10 mags

:facepalm:

[belka]

Can someone explain how this ban was able to be implemented without first being passed through parliament? Or even voted on? With a minority government?
TIA.

Agree or disagree with this ban, but passing laws without a democratic process is called one thing - Dictatorship. Anyone who agrees with how this ban was put in place needs a serious wake up call.

[mikemhg]

It affects me the same as it affects you: a baseless erosion of your rights and freedoms. These new laws were done by order-in-council from cabinet without parliamentary oversight and thus no legislation, and that's inappropriate given the size of the population they impact. This has turned hundreds of thousands of innocent Canadians in to potential paper criminals. The government is seizing personal property and I can guarantee you will not be reimbursing firearm owners for the true cost of said property. People need to understand the big picture of how wrong this is. Plus, it's piss poor policy on a number of counts (logic, cost, logistics, enforcement, and more).

I'm an RPAL holder but do not currently own any restricted firearms as my living situation doesn't make it feasible. I sold my rifle and sidearm before leaving the CF, I currently only have a shotgun. I'm so against this power grab because it's completely illogical, a huge waste of money, and yeah because the Liberal government is corrupt and inept as fuck. But I'd be equally against it if any party did it in this manner.

I'll accept that then. I agree on the monetary side in terms of those consequences. You can't introduce a law out of nowhere and essentially force folks to lose money on their purchases, especially for businesses as well, their purchased stock now loses a ton of value as a result of this.

I definitely don't agree with that point, that's wrong for sure. We can agree on that.

[stewie]

I really doubt that.

I haven't checked and memorized every post but do you have an RPAL?

I do.

Therefore me being told I'm now no longer allowed to buy firearms that are deemed "assault rifles" which are some that I had intentions of purchasing eventually down the road.

If you dont have an RPAL and never had any intentions of getting one then yes, this affects me more than it does you. I'm the one thats having my rights stripped away.

[welfare]

Agree or disagree with this ban, but passing laws without a democratic process is called one thing - Dictatorship. Anyone who agrees with how this ban was put in place needs a serious wake up call.

But by what means was this government able to circumvent the process?

[roastpuff]

But by what means was this government able to circumvent the process?

They issued an Order In Council - essentially an executive order. It is usually used to add addendum to a law already in place but nothing of this magnitude.

[welfare]

They issued an Order In Council - essentially an executive order. It is usually used to add addendum to a law already in place but nothing of this magnitude.

So could this be challenged in court?
seems like it could be. And i feel like it might not hold up well either.

[Manic!]

I haven't checked and memorized every post but do you have an RPAL?

I do.

Therefore me being told I'm now no longer allowed to buy firearms that are deemed "assault rifles" which are some that I had intentions of purchasing eventually down the road.

If you dont have an RPAL and never had any intentions of getting one then yes, this affects me more than it does you. I'm the one thats having my rights stripped away.


I didn't know you had it so ruff. How are you going to survive?

18 years ago a legal gun owner thought a 25 cent bullet was cheaper than a divorce. So he shot his estranged wife while she was getting gas with her 13-year-old daughter. I was the one working that day. But that's nothing compared to the pain and suffering you are going threw. it's not worse than looking at women with a hole blown thru her as her daughter screams I want to see my mommy as a customer holds her back. You might want to start a go fund me page so you can get some counseling for all the pain and suffering you are feeling.

[Bouncing Bettys]

So could this be challenged in court?
seems like it could be. And i feel like it might not hold up well either.
I wouldn't get my hopes up. Not the same situation, but when BC introduced the IRP (Immediate Roadside Prohibition) system for impaired drivers, it was challenged on the grounds that it didn't allow individuals due process. The courts eventually agreed, and recommended changes be made. However, all IRP's issued out up until then were upheld, despite violations of rights. The court system is a last resort at best. Too bad this was pushed through in such a despicable way. In the mid 2000's I thought it would be great to have the former spokesman for Katimavik, a program dear to me, as PM. I don't know if I could ever vote for him at this point.

[MarkyMark]

I didn't know you had it so ruff. How are you going to survive?

18 years ago a legal gun owner thought a 25 cent bullet was cheaper than a divorce. So he shot his estranged wife while she was getting gas with her 13-year-old daughter. I was the one working that day. But that's nothing compared to the pain and suffering you are going threw. it's not worse than looking at women with a hole blown thru her as her daughter screams I want to see my mommy as a customer holds her back. You might want to start a go fund me page so you can get some counseling for all the pain and suffering you are feeling.

I'm not a gun owner and I really have no skin in the game as far as gun control goes but what the government has done isn't going to prevent what happened in the scenario you just told us. That's a really shitty thing to witness but there's not a chance ALL guns are going to be totally outlawed in Canada, and whoever thinks they can do that has lost my vote.

[stewie]

I didn't know you had it so ruff. How are you going to survive?

18 years ago a legal gun owner thought a 25 cent bullet was cheaper than a divorce. So he shot his estranged wife while she was getting gas with her 13-year-old daughter. I was the one working that day. But that's nothing compared to the pain and suffering you are going threw. it's not worse than looking at women with a hole blown thru her as her daughter screams I want to see my mommy as a customer holds her back. You might want to start a go fund me page so you can get some counseling for all the pain and suffering you are feeling.

I'll give you a thanks for giving an honest traumatic event you had to witness but I still disagree and say it's rough having your rights stripped. To each their own.
I guess if I can't purchase any assault style weapons I'll just have to fill that void and purchase some handguns. On the bright side the ammo is cheaper and would give me an excuse to go to the range more often.

My brothers sister inlaw was killed by a drunk driver while she was walking down the sidewalk in Surrey years ago. That was pretty traumatic for everyone having to see that.. We should probably ban alcohol while we're at it. It causes more deaths than firearms yet nobody bats an eye. See where I'm going with this?

I don't vote conservative at all but come next election if one of their campaign promises is to revoke this ban, I will vote for them.

[Raid3n]

you can almost guarantee someone will have that as a campaign promise.

[underscore]

I'll give you a thanks for giving an honest traumatic event you had to witness but I still disagree and say it's rough having your rights stripped. To each their own.

This isn't America. It's a privilege, not some bastardized right.

[MarkyMark]

My idea of gun control is you're trying to stop mass shootings, where killing a large amount of people would otherwise not be feasible without that particular weapon. You're not going to stop the dude who killed his wife with a hand gun because he'd just choke a bitch if that was his only option. It's not like a guy who's willing to pull a trigger on his wife isn't willing to do something else to end her life.

Hey Slim, that's my girlfriend screamin' in the trunk
But I didn't slit her throat, I just tied her up, see I ain't like you
'Cause if she suffocates she'll suffer more, and then she'll die too
Well, gotta go, I'm almost at the bridge now
Oh shit, I forgot, how am I supposed to send this shit out?

Can't stop crazy, but you can limit the casualties.

[Roach]

A mother of two, an RCMP officer, was dragged out of her car and murdered. Her children will inevitably learn of how she died someday.

Whether those weapons were illegal, registered, or whatever... our government needs to show they did something, anything, to try and prevent this from happening again.

I have seen images of Trudeau as a Nazi leader show up on my FB feed. I'm sorry, but as much as I care for my rights, there are some issues that require swift and immediate action to represent the country's discontent with an action.

If you feel your rights are so violated, the border isn't far. Bear arms. Have fun.

Kev

[JD¹³]

Would it be more reasonable if the govt allowed people to keep these collectors items if they were permanently disabled? Is the ability to kill people a necessary part of collecting them? (seriously, I wouldn't know)

If it's just target shooting, there are plenty of legal guns still out there to own, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Your question has basically been answered by others already. You can make firearms unusable in a variety of ways, lots of that is done for display items, educational or training purposes, etc. That also detracts from the value of a collectors item, it's equivalent to having a collector car that doesn't run. In Australia members of gun clubs have to leave their firearms locked up at the range they are registered and use them at. I don't support that level of regulation either but it's a far cry better than what's been done here.
They're not confiscating guns... The buyback is not mandatory (should be though)
https://media.giphy.com/media/uHox9Jm5TyTPa/200.gif

Owners of these firearms are now required to submit to the buyback or surrender their property to a licensed dealer. If they don't do so by the end of the amnesty period they become criminals. That's equivalent to confiscation, and makes surrendering mandatory.
I'll accept that then. I agree on the monetary side in terms of those consequences. You can't introduce a law out of nowhere and essentially force folks to lose money on their purchases, especially for businesses as well, their purchased stock now loses a ton of value as a result of this.

I definitely don't agree with that point, that's wrong for sure. We can agree on that.
Some of my customers have lost their livelihoods overnight. Family owned businesses; one husband and wife operation with a young baby have been told their inventory is now illegal to sell effective immediately (they machined receivers, slides, etc). They are just one example of families that will likely be filing bankruptcies before any election allows these laws to be repealed. And for what?

The real elephant in the room here is this: a man in Nova Scotia who was banned from owning firearms got them illegally from the US. He then went on a shooting and arson rampage for 13hrs impersonating a police officer. He used his disguise to enter peoples homes and he pulled random cars over and executed the occupants. The RCMP never initiated with the provincial government to issue an Emergency Alert to the public as they chased their tails, this cost lives. Under-equipped officers were shot and killed (Mayorthorpe anyone? Moncton ring a bell?), and their weapons were taken and used. This was a total failure of the policing system to stop a serious criminal and protect the public, and they have learned NOTHING from past incidents. If there was ever an argument for disarming the public this is the exact opposite. We should be allowed to defend ourselves if we choose to because the police very evidently can not in every situation, especially in rural areas.

The Liberal government is using the tragedy in Nova Scotia and hiding from parliament under the guise of COVID-19 to push their agenda, which as we can see holds no place in logic or reality. What Trudeau and his cabinet have done here is pure cowardice and attacks the democratic foundation of the country. It's not all about firearms. Everyone is happy to point fingers at the CCP for their actions in suppressing the outbreak the world is now dealing with. Obvious lying and manipulation of stats, pointing blame at other parties, suppressing free speech and freedom of the press.... but the same thing is happening right here in Canada. Wake up and pay attention.

[StylinRed]

^^^ the bbc article I linked said current owners would have their guns grandfathered, and the buyback would be voluntary

they based their article on the globe n mails story about leaked documents

The Globe and Mail reported (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-liberals-set-to-break-promise-to-buy-back-all-assault-weapons-in/) that leaked documents show the buy-back programme would be voluntary, and licensed owners would have their guns grandfathered. Mr Trudeau had previously promised the programme would be mandatory.

On Friday, Mr Trudeau would not confirm whether buy-backs would be voluntary, but reiterated the buy-back programme would have to be supported by other parties, and be fair to everyone.

"The next steps need to be ironed out," he said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52505765

[twitchyzero]

Using that same line there are you going to apply it to all the small restaurants that are going under due to covid?
Can't afford to run your business anymore and make rent because you've got no sales? Tough luck.. Should've been a better restaurant. Have fun watching what you created get pissed in to a toilet.


ok it was already a stretch using tattoo and sports cars as an analogy, now this hobby is being held to the same priorities as core necessities like food? :fulloffuck:

[DGN23]

Whether those weapons were illegal, registered, or whatever... our government needs to show they did something, anything, to try and prevent this from happening again.


The reality is, what they did does not solve the problem at all. What they have done implies that people who legally own firearms and went through the mandatory legal procedures to obtain them in the first place are seen as a potential risk. It's a guilty until proven innocent mentality and it sets a VERY dangerous precedent in this country.

Police officers around the country have said, long before the law was put in place, that something like this will not solve the issue of gun violence. As time goes on, assuming this law stays in place, you will see it does absolutely nothing to stop gun violence.

[Manic!]

I'll give you a thanks for giving an honest traumatic event you had to witness but I still disagree and say it's rough having your rights stripped. To each their own.
I guess if I can't purchase any assault style weapons I'll just have to fill that void and purchase some handguns. On the bright side the ammo is cheaper and would give me an excuse to go to the range more often.

My brothers sister inlaw was killed by a drunk driver while she was walking down the sidewalk in Surrey years ago. That was pretty traumatic for everyone having to see that.. We should probably ban alcohol while we're at it. It causes more deaths than firearms yet nobody bats an eye. See where I'm going with this?

I don't vote conservative at all but come next election if one of their campaign promises is to revoke this ban, I will vote for them.


Let's talk about an industry I know, Tobacco. here are some of the rules and regulations that have changed over the years.

Increase the buying age from 16 to 19.
Ban cigarette packs that contain less than 20 cigarettes.
add warning text to all packs
add an ingredients list to all packs.
add a warning picture to all packs
Removethe ingredients list from all packs.
Ban all small flavored cigars. (primetime/bullseye)
Ban sales of more than 5 cartons to a single customer.
Ban all cigarettes that are not king or regular size. (superslim, 100mm and XL)
Ban menthol cigarettes.
Ban all cigars that are not alcohol flavors.
Ban all fruit-flavored chewing tobacco.
Have plain (the same)packaging for all cigarettes.
Next year, make all cigars come in plain packaging. Some higher-end cigars will not be available in Canad because we are too small of a market.
Next year, change all packs to flat packs. So the warning ads are bigger. (the one on the right)
https://photos.smugmug.com/Pumps/i-dXGF5Mc/0/9bb70477/X3/img_1588528106862-X3.jpg
Any time now banning chewing tobacco and flavored nicotine pouches with a high nicotine content. (white fox/Siberia)


Every time there is a package change all the old packs are sent back to the manufacture to be incinerated. We get our money back but the manufacture only gets the tax they paid back but has to eat the manufacturing cost.


I haven't even talked about all the times the taxes have gone up. We have gone from $3.50 a pack to $13.00 for our cheapest pack. I know companies that have gone bankrupt.

What's happening to the gun industry is no different than what's happened to other industries.

I have never heard a smoker claim their rights were violated when the tobacco product they used was banned.

[stewie]

Let's talk about an industry I know, Tobacco. here are some of the rules and regulations that have changed over the years.

Increase the buying age from 16 to 19. still able to purchase though
Ban cigarette packs that contain less than 20 cigarettes.buy 2 packs. Problem soved
add warning text to all packsseems irrelevant
add an ingredients list to all packs.seems irrelevant
add a warning picture to all packsdoesnt stop anyone
Removethe ingredients list from all packs.im sure smokers don't care
Ban all small flavored cigars. (primetime/bullseye)purchase in states and bring back
Ban sales of more than 5 cartons to a single customer.buy 5 cartons then proceed to the next gas station and buy 5 more
Ban all cigarettes that are not king or regular size. (superslim, 100mm and XL)bring back from states by the carton
Ban menthol cigarettes.bring back from states
Ban all cigars that are not alcohol flavors.bring back from states
Ban all fruit-flavored chewing tobacco. bring back from states
Have plain (the same)packaging for all cigarettes.seems irrelevant as companies can still sell them
Next year, make all cigars come in plain packaging. people will still continue to buy
Some higher-end cigars will not be available in Canad because we are too small of a market.bring back from states
Next year, change all packs to flat packs. So the warning ads are bigger. (the one on the right)
https://photos.smugmug.com/Pumps/i-dXGF5Mc/0/9bb70477/X3/img_1588528106862-X3.jpg
Any time now banning chewing tobacco and flavored nicotine pouches with a high nicotine content. (white fox/Siberia)states


Every time there is a package change all the old packs are sent back to the manufacture to be incinerated. We get our money back but the manufacture only gets the tax they paid back but has to eat the manufacturing cost.


I haven't even talked about all the times the taxes have gone up. We have gone from $3.50 a pack to $13.00 for our cheapest pack. I know companies that have gone bankrupt.

What's happening to the gun industry is no different than what's happened to other industries.

I have never heard a smoker claim their rights were violated when the tobacco product they used was banned.

I don't smoke or drink so I'll add in my thought in on your quote.


If smoking was flat out banned I could see a reason to have an outrage but as far as i can see unless those cigs are flat out banned in both USA and Canada they can easily be brought over the border and used on a daily basis and sold from your average 25 year old to a 13 year old highschool kid who wants to look cool for 20$.

Of course firearms can be smuggled in as well but what's the point if you can't use them at a gun range. Sell it to some wannabe thug for 5k(most likely stolen anyways).
Which do you think is more likely to happen - get banned tobacco products or get an assault rifle.
Thousands of tobacco related cancer deaths is apparently nothing compared to a shooting.

[Manic!]

I don't smoke or drink so I'll add in my thought in on your quote.


If smoking was flat out banned I could see a reason to have an outrage but as far as i can see unless those cigs are flat out banned in both USA and Canada they can easily be brought over the border and used on a daily basis and sold from your average 25 year old to a 13 year old highschool kid who wants to look cool for 20$.

Of course firearms can be smuggled in as well but what's the point if you can't use them at a gun range. Sell it to some wannabe thug for 5k(most likely stolen anyways).
Which do you think is more likely to happen - get banned tobacco products or get an assault rifle.
Thousands of tobacco related cancer deaths is apparently nothing compared to a shooting.

Multiple types of tobacco products have been completely banned and the number of people smoking has dropped dramatically because of government actions. It's only a matter of time before traditional smoking products are off the shelves. Everyone in the industry knows it.

Also know one is catching a ferry to go buy smokes from the states. They also increased the number of cigarettes in a pack to make them more expensive. No more kiddie 15 packs. plain packaging and having waring on packs have changed some peoples minds.

[stewie]

I don't remember everyones background story in kife but is it yourself or another person the one who owns a gas station or something along those lines? I'm thinking tobacco sales probably make a significant amount of sales. If smoking were to be flat out banned and the loss of revenue reulted in the company folding would you be angry or accept it? Blame the government and then expect people to feel sympathy when non smokers say "meh, just another place down that sold death sticks". Smokers would be furious, shop owners would be furious, and the non smokers would be happy and rejoice.

I don't wish that upon any shop or persons life they've built in a business. But I can't stand walking down the street and looking at 10,000 cigarette butts littering the sidewalk, watching people click them out of their cars while driving, standing in a group and the distinct odor that follows them everywhere.
Mass shootings in canada is a drop of water in the bucket compared to tobacco deaths.


Tobacco harms the health, the treasury, and the spirit of Canada. Every year, more than 47700 of its people are killed by tobacco-caused disease. Still, more than 27000 children (10-14 years old) and 3243000 adults (15+ years old) continue to use tobacco each day. Complacency in the face of the tobacco epidemic insulates the tobacco industry in Canada and ensures that tobacco's death toll will grow every year. Tobacco control advocates must reach out to other communities and resources to strengthen their efforts and create change.

https://tobaccoatlas.org/country/canada/

No idea the accuracy of that site. It was just the first result of tobacco deaths in Canada per year

[twitchyzero]

smoking is mostly a choice...a more appropriate stat would be 2nd hand smoking

not to mention the tax revenue it brings, but let's stay on-topic

just words for now, but local handgun bans coming and cbsa will ramp up contraband checks

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-legislation-on-municipal-handgun-bans-coming-1.4922898

[underscore]

got them illegally from the US.

Do you have a source on that? The last I saw at least one was supposedly traced back to Canada.

[6793026]

^ I was told they make really nothing on gas.. it's the food / chocolate bars that makes money. I don't know how much tobacco / skratch and win tickets would generate too much profit margins.

[welfare]

Do you have a source on that? The last I saw at least one was supposedly traced back to Canada.

One was taken from the constable he killed. So that would probably count as the one from Canada. I assume anyways

[Manic!]

I don't remember everyones background story in kife but is it yourself or another person the one who owns a gas station or something along those lines? I'm thinking tobacco sales probably make a significant amount of sales. If smoking were to be flat out banned and the loss of revenue reulted in the company folding would you be angry or accept it? Blame the government and then expect people to feel sympathy when non smokers say "meh, just another place down that sold death sticks". Smokers would be furious, shop owners would be furious, and the non smokers would be happy and rejoice.

I don't wish that upon any shop or persons life they've built in a business. But I can't stand walking down the street and looking at 10,000 cigarette butts littering the sidewalk, watching people click them out of their cars while driving, standing in a group and the distinct odor that follows them everywhere.
Mass shootings in canada is a drop of water in the bucket compared to tobacco deaths.




https://tobaccoatlas.org/country/canada/

No idea the accuracy of that site. It was just the first result of tobacco deaths in Canada per year

I'm the one with a gas station. traditional tobacco sales are slowing less young people smoke. Also, the number of cigarettes a person smokes in a day has gone down a lot. Many people just can't afford to smoke a pack or more a day. One of the smaller tobacco distributors lost it's 2 main products because of government bans. They tried selling other stuff like toys and candy. In February they fired all their reps across Canada. All the big players in tobacco know traditional tobacco sales are dying and that's why they are spending huge amounts of money on alternative smoking products. Unlike owning a gun tobacco is an addiction and they can't just ban it overnight.

[Manic!]

^ I was told they make really nothing on gas.. it's the food / chocolate bars that makes money. I don't know how much tobacco / skratch and win tickets would generate too much profit margins.

We make money on gas. We make good money on tobacco too. Both are lower margin products so make money by selling a lot of it. On lotto, we make 5 cents on a dollar so it's next to nothing.

[welfare]

smoking is mostly a choice...a more appropriate stat would be 2nd hand smoking

not to mention the tax revenue it brings, but let's stay on-topic

just words for now, but local handgun bans coming and cbsa will ramp up contraband checks

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-legislation-on-municipal-handgun-bans-coming-1.4922898

Second-hand smoke kills about 800 a year. Many times more than all gun homicides. Both legal and illegal.

I wonder if these tighter border measures will include reserves that straddle the US border. Where countless amounts of illicit items are smuggled with no physical restriction.
I'll answer my own question; highly doubtful.

[Manic!]

Second-hand smoke kills about 800 a year. Many times more than all gun homicides. Both legal and illegal.

I wonder if these tighter border measures will include reserves that straddle the US border. Where countless amounts of illicit items are smuggled with no physical restriction.
I'll answer my own question; highly doubtful.

What would help is if people stopped buying native smokes.:whistle:

Federal and Provincial governments have brought in a number of laws to curb second-hand smoking. Remember when you could smoke inside a pub/club? now you can't even smoke close to an entrance of a building.

[JD¹³]

Whether those weapons were illegal, registered, or whatever... our government needs to show they did something, anything, to try and prevent this from happening again.

I have seen images of Trudeau as a Nazi leader show up on my FB feed. I'm sorry, but as much as I care for my rights, there are some issues that require swift and immediate action to represent the country's discontent with an action.

If you feel your rights are so violated, the border isn't far. Bear arms. Have fun.
This is an incredibly lazy position to take and shows blind trust in your elected officials with no critical thinking whatsoever.

The fact that these laws won't change a thing for criminals and wouldn't have prevented the tragedy in NS aside... you realize the Liberal government just implemented law based on a list they found on the internet right? They copied and pasted without doing any proofreading! The list of freshly banned firearms includes websites, a locksmith business, and a fucking Facebook group. There's also no rhyme or reason to the list as it includes some shotguns, bolt-action rifles, old school rim fire, and more. Actual military weaponry like mortars, anti-tank and aircraft launchers, recoilless rifles, rocket-propelled grenades... these were all things that were never legal to begin with.

Bill Blair is a former police chief (the same that allowed all the civil rights abuses during the G20 protests in Toronto) that holds a Crown Cabinet position. He takes home a salary of more than a quarter million dollars paid for by our taxes, and this is the quality of work he puts out?! How is that acceptable to anyone regardless of political leaning? He and every politician that signed off on this have no respect for the offices they hold. Start paying attention and hold them to account!

[Manic!]

This is an incredibly lazy position to take and shows blind trust in your elected officials with no critical thinking whatsoever.

The fact that these laws won't change a thing for criminals and wouldn't have prevented the tragedy in NS aside... you realize the Liberal government just implemented law based on a list they found on the internet right? They copied and pasted without doing any proofreading! The list of freshly banned firearms includes websites, a locksmith business, and a fucking Facebook group. There's also no rhyme or reason to the list as it includes some shotguns, bolt-action rifles, old school rim fire, and more. Actual military weaponry like mortars, anti-tank and aircraft launchers, recoilless rifles, rocket-propelled grenades... these were all things that were never legal to begin with.

Bill Blair is a former police chief (the same that allowed all the civil rights abuses during the G20 protests in Toronto) that holds a Crown Cabinet position. He takes home a salary of more than a quarter million dollars paid for by our taxes, and this is the quality of work he puts out?! How is that acceptable to anyone regardless of political leaning? He and every politician that signed off on this have no respect for the offices they hold. Start paying attention and hold them to account!

This is not a knee jerk reaction to the N.S. shooting. This was a campaign promise. This should not be a surprise to anyone who follows politics.


Some of the guns banned.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/95479089_10158298950524525_5622915473902403584_o.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=x3tU91cx2HsAX_RE_vn&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=1985e7e5bc14d2011d39d16184886e81&oe=5ED5200A

[The7even]

Retarded liberals gonna do retarded liberal shit.

Sorry for your less, neighbors.

[Hondaracer]

This is not a knee jerk reaction to the N.S. shooting. This was a campaign promise. This should not be a surprise to anyone who follows politics.


Some of the guns banned.

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/95479089_10158298950524525_5622915473902403584_o.j pg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=x3tU91cx2HsAX_RE_vn&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=1985e7e5bc14d2011d39d16184886e81&oe=5ED5200A

So 83,000 of the M4 style variants

They cost a MINIMUM of $1000 for the cheapest Norinco made Chinese grade firearm.

83 million dollars to buy back these guns at the lowest price possible on the cheapest variant. FailFish

[Manic!]

So 83,000 of the M4 style variants

They cost a MINIMUM of $1000 for the cheapest Norinco made Chinese grade firearm.

83 million dollars to buy back these guns at the lowest price possible on the cheapest variant. FailFish

Ya, I don't know why the government is paying either. They should just take them.

[Hondaracer]

Ya, I don't know why the government is paying either. They should just take them.

If that was the case then the govt. will probably learn some hard lessons about trying to take private property from law abiding citizens. Even here in Canada that would result in some deaths.

[Raid3n]

why were these even included in the list other than to pad numbers? lol...

https://i.gyazo.com/9b5e13784a638414fd593bb937367217.png

and there are so many more than just these that make no sense..
also i found some models of AR platform that are not listed in the ban by name like the rest are...

[Ch28]

Chris Rock's gun control bit is more relevant than ever.

https://youtu.be/Db0Y4qIZ4PA?t=181

[6793026]

He was at his prime...I loved his standup cause he's education, great setup and amazing flow...

the last one of him and divorced life was mehhh wasn't as RAW.

[twitchyzero]

had to look up this AT from the Soviets

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7EoxjFP5gSY/maxresdefault.jpg

[underscore]

why were these even included in the list other than to pad numbers? lol...

https://i.gyazo.com/9b5e13784a638414fd593bb937367217.png

and there are so many more than just these that make no sense..
also i found some models of AR platform that are not listed in the ban by name like the rest are...

That's what I've been asking too. A lot of people seem to be celebrating or getting pissed off without actually reading the list.

[blkgsr]

So 83,000 of the M4 style variants

They cost a MINIMUM of $1000 for the cheapest Norinco made Chinese grade firearm.

83 million dollars to buy back these guns at the lowest price possible on the cheapest variant. FailFish

the XCR's are like $3200 from what i was able to find online

[eclipseman]

This is not a knee jerk reaction to the N.S. shooting. This was a campaign promise. This should not be a surprise to anyone who follows politics.


This absolutely was a knee-jerk reaction to the shooting. Their buyback legislation and grandfathering were not prepared and are not in place.

The rifles on the list make no sense either. The Beretta CX4? Just because it was used in the Dawson shootings... There are lots of other pistol carbines that are still legal.

[mikemhg]

had to look up this AT from the Soviets

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7EoxjFP5gSY/maxresdefault.jpg

A "Fagot" launcher? Somehow I pictured something different :lol

[mikemhg]

I'm totally confused here, so rocket launchers and bazookas were legal prior to this? That's hilarious. I can't imagine you could buy ammo for one, I thought grenades were illegal?

Either way I was out for a walk with a friend yesterday, and he raised a great point that someone else also did in this thread.

He posed "imagine if you were the family of the slain RCMP officer and the Prime Minister of the country did absolutely nothing to curb these weapons from being on the streets?".

You can't satisfy both sides to this argument, gun advocates will argue until they turn blue about losing their "rights" (since when did owning an assault rifle become a right anyways), either way, he ran on that promise, he was voted in on that promise, as such he's keeping his word. Isn't that what we want out of our elected officials?

I guarantee the guys complaining in this thread never voted for Trudeau in the first place.

The whole "these guns came from across the border" argument is also somewhat asinine to me. It's the same walking while chewing bubblegum argument. Who says the Feds won't attempt to clamp down further on limiting that aspect as well?

The irony here is if they did, you'll also be complaining, as that would result in deeper screenings and longer border lineups when crossing into Canada.

Pick your poison.

[Hondaracer]

This absolutely was a knee-jerk reaction to the shooting. Their buyback legislation and grandfathering were not prepared and are not in place.

The rifles on the list make no sense either. The Beretta CX4? Just because it was used in the Dawson shootings... There are lots of other pistol carbines that are still legal.

Turd was called out this morning during his presser regarding clarity about the buyback program and grandfathering, and in typical turd fashion, had literally nothing to say.

Even with the little he did say, its obvious this was a knee-jerk and had little to no actual substance behind it other than a broad, uncalculated list of firearms.

[Hondaracer]

I'm totally confused here, so rocket launchers and bazookas were legal prior to this? That's hilarious. I can't imagine you could buy ammo for one, I thought grenades were illegal?

Either way I was out for a walk with a friend yesterday, and he raised a great point that someone else also did in this thread.

He posed "imagine if you were the family of the slain RCMP officer and the Prime Minister of the country did absolutely nothing to curb these weapons from being on the streets?".

You can't satisfy both sides to this argument, gun advocates will argue until they turn blue about losing their "rights" (since when did owning an assault rifle become a right anyways), either way, he ran on that promise, he was voted in on that promise, as such he's keeping his word. Isn't that what we want out of our elected officials?

I guarantee the guys complaining in this thread never voted for Trudeau in the first place.

The whole "these guns came from across the border" argument is also somewhat asinine to me. It's the same walking while chewing bubblegum argument. Who says the Feds won't attempt to clamp down further on limiting that aspect as well?

The irony here is if they did, you'll also be complaining, as that would result in deeper screenings and longer border lineups when crossing into Canada.

Pick your poison.

One cop dies (who frankly seemed like more of PR figure than a well-trained officer of the law imo) and we need to spend 300-500 million to buy back guns that weren't involved in the killing

that makes sense? :rukidding:

[stewie]

^ to mikemhg post

With what your friend asked you while on your walk about how you would feel if you were a family member of the slain RCMP officer and the PM did nothing,

can we alter that a bit for arguments sake?

How would you feel if your family member or a friend died from an overdose?

The PM has done nothing for drug related deaths. The amount of fentanyl deaths from dealers knowingly selling it and absolutely nothing happening to them. Worst case scenario is they get caught and maybe serve 4 years in prison getting 3 warm meals a day and a free place to sleep before they're out on good behavior and back to their old ways.


Honest question, what irks you more?
a mass shooting once every few years killing 10-20 people or all the fentanyl related deaths each year that nobody seems to care about. Oh, Billy O.D'd? oh well we knew he used coke on weekends so he had it coming to him.

Which one is more likely to affect you, a loved one, or someone you know.


I've never voted for Trudeau and yes I'm one of the people complaining.
Like you said, you can't satisfy both sides.

[Manic!]

If that was the case then the govt. will probably learn some hard lessons about trying to take private property from law abiding citizens. Even here in Canada that would result in some deaths.

But I thought law-abiding gun owners would never hurt anybody? Thanks for proving why this law is necessary.

[Manic!]

^



Honest question, what irks you more?
a mass shooting once every few years killing 10-20 people or all the fentanyl related deaths each year that nobody seems to care about. Oh, Billy O.D'd? oh well we knew he used coke on weekends so he had it coming to him.

Which one is more likely to affect you, a loved one, or someone you know.


I've never voted for Trudeau and yes I'm one of the people complaining.
Like you said, you can't satisfy both sides.

Taking drugs is a choice. Getting shot while driving to work is not.

[Hondaracer]

But I thought law-abiding gun owners would never hurt anybody? Thanks for proving why this law is necessary.

You’re advocating simply taking property which was legally purchased, never used for anything but it’s legal, law abiding purposes (which as pointed out above can START in the $3000 range) with zero restitution because of a knee-jerk reaction to an act perpetrated by illegally possessing firearms which may or may not have been stolen from the very govt. creating these laws?

Law abiding people do not generally commit these crimes, but this would be the equivalent of pouring a bucket of gas on an already stoked fire. There would be people in rural communities who already don’t have much and now you’re going to be literally ripping thousands of dollars worth of goods out of their hands? Good luck

And welcome to the block list, I can’t suffer your opinions any longer.

[SkinnyPupp]

So 83,000 of the M4 style variants

They cost a MINIMUM of $1000 for the cheapest Norinco made Chinese grade firearm.

83 million dollars to buy back these guns at the lowest price possible on the cheapest variant. FailFish
Sell them to America 4Head

[Manic!]

You’re advocating simply taking property which was legally purchased, never used for anything but it’s legal, law abiding purposes (which as pointed out above can START in the $3000 range) with zero restitution because of a knee-jerk reaction to an act perpetrated by illegally possessing firearms which may or may not have been stolen from the very govt. creating these laws?

Law abiding people do not generally commit these crimes, but this would be the equivalent of pouring a bucket of gas on an already stoked fire. There would be people in rural communities who already don’t have much and now you’re going to be literally ripping thousands of dollars worth of goods out of their hands? Good luck

And welcome to the block list, I can’t suffer your opinions any longer.

Everyone is born a law-abiding citizen. At some point, a law-abiding citizen commits a crime and becomes a criminal. Saying law-abiding citizens don't commit crimes is like saying virgins don't have sex.

[DGN23]

Taking drugs is a choice. Getting shot while driving to work is not.

Getting hit by a drunk driver isn't a choice either. Can I assume you'd back a law that bans alcohol as well?

[Manic!]

Getting hit by a drunk driver isn't a choice either. Can I assume you'd back a law that bans alcohol as well?

Some types of alcohol are banned in Canada. You can't sell pre-packaged drinks with caffeine with alcohol mixed. The Canadian government is not banning all guns just certain types.

https://fourloko.com/faq/q-is-four-loko-banned-in-canada

Company pulls products off shelves after a single death.


https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/fckd-up-after-teens-death-should-high-alcohol-high-sugar-drinks-be-sold-in-canada/

[belka]

Getting hit by a drunk driver isn't a choice either. Can I assume you'd back a law that bans alcohol as well?

You can’t argue with utter stupidity, Liberal voters and more-so Trudeau supporters are morons. I’m by no means a cons cheerleader and disagree with some of their policy, not to mention have voted Liberal more than Con in federal elections. However anyone who still supports JT, his incompetent cabinet of toads and their current policies needs a psych eval. This country is fucked.

[Manic!]

You can’t argue with utter stupidity, Liberal voters and more-so Trudeau supporters are morons. I’m by no means a cons cheerleader and disagree with some of their policy, not to mention have voted Liberal more than Con in federal elections. However anyone who still supports JT, his incompetent cabinet of toads and their current policies needs a psych eval. This country is fucked.

I guess majority of Canadian's are stupid because a majority of them voted left and wanted stricter gun laws.