[BlackV62K2]

They couldn't give the new Integra a little more performance than 200hp lol

[!Aznboi128]

They couldn't give the new Integra a little more performance than 200hp lol
Yea, seems to be the exact same tune as the Civic SI.

It get's the dynamic dampers that were lost in the 11th gen SI. It's a bit longer than the SI as well. No official weight but I would think it's heavier than the SI thus slower as well.

[Tapioca]

Photos and video of the production car is now available:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fePUO0lMRPY

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/meet-production-2023-acura-integra/

The blue hides some of the ugliness in the yellow, but it is just exactly that -- less ugly, which means it is still ugly LOL~

The sense of excitement they're trying to convey is off in the production of that video.

Here's a promo for the DB2 from the 90s for comparison (neon snow-suit and all):

https://youtu.be/sy-rzVLGvtw

[68style]

^ For the new promo video... like... shouldn't they have some scenes from F1... I had no idea who Pierre Gasly is... and I was just like "Who's this scrub driving around in the new Integra?" hahahahaha

200hp is awful for this car, it's going to be slower than the CSX Type-S was 15 fucking years ago. What is the literal point of this release?

Or is this press release only talking about the base model? Not the Type-S?

[pherio]

Type - S should be 2L turbo, 252 hp and FWD. There's no way they would put the money in to make it sh-awd.

Yeah that was the nail in the coffin is that they could have dropped the 2.0t from the Accord in. Even DC had a B-series compared to a D-series Civic.

Pretty hilarious in that press release video how much they try to show the young driver is having.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/683/526/4b2.gif

[teggy604]

^ For the new promo video... like... shouldn't they have some scenes from F1... I had no idea who Pierre Gasly is... and I was just like "Who's this scrub driving around in the new Integra?" hahahahaha

200hp is awful for this car, it's going to be slower than the CSX Type-S was 15 fucking years ago. What is the literal point of this release?

Or is this press release only talking about the base model? Not the Type-S?

Even with Type S it probably be like 220-230hp? Which doesn't mean anything if they use the 1.5 motor. Owners with the civic si are already pushing that in the aftermarket scene.

[BIC_BAWS]

Is Japan getting this too? I find that if it's not offered in Japan and it's NA only, like the 9th gen Si, it's probably gonna be pretty shit. For instance, Japan never got a 9th gen civic that looks like ours. They only got the European FK2 Type R (also a 9th gen), limited to 750 units.

Japan got the 10th gen civic and the FK8, hence it being good.

[Traum]

Motortrend is estimating that the Integra will be at least 150 lbs heavier than the (less powerful) Civic hatch, making it at least 3250 lbs:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-acura-integra-2022-honda-civic-specs-comparison/

For what we do know, the Civic Hatchback, which is much smaller than the new Integra, weighs just over 3,100 pounds in top-trim Sport Touring form. With almost 7 inches worth of additional body length over the Hatchback Sport Touring, and no mention of dramatic weight-saving features, there's just one conclusion you can draw: The new Integra will weigh more than 3,100 pounds.

How much more than that is the open question, given the X factor of the weight of additional content (and, in all likelihood, additional sound deadening material for a reduction in cabin noise). We figure it'll be at least 150 pounds worth of penalty for choosing the Integra.

Yea, seems to be the exact same tune as the Civic SI.

It get's the dynamic dampers that were lost in the 11th gen SI. It's a bit longer than the SI as well. No official weight but I would think it's heavier than the SI thus slower as well.

[68style]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/683/526/4b2.gif

:okay: every person younger than me at my work uses this gif on me constantly

[tofu1413]

Why Acura, why use that name. Why use a name with a good rep on such a mediocre, barely lukewarm product.

Stop giving me hope :okay:

[!Aznboi128]

Is this worse than Ford using the Mustang name as an EV?

Names these days are pretty interchangeable. The way I see it, the civic is a good car. This will sell to people who want a slightly more luxurious Civic. It'll be 35-40k Cad so a bit more than Civic but less than TLX so it'll make sense.

[supafamous]

Names these days are pretty interchangeable. The way I see it, the civic is a good car. This will sell to people who want a slightly more luxurious Civic. It'll be 35-40k Cad so a bit more than Civic but less than TLX so it'll make sense.

+1. I think maybe our nostalgia is getting in our way - this is still the base model of the Integra which was always just a nicer Civic and the current Civic is a great car so this should be pretty nice for an entry level car.

I would expect that the Type-S will be the one that we are more judgemental about. It should be as good or better than a GTI.

Nostalgic side note: My uncle owned a 1G Integra and was giving young tween me a ride one day when I asked him why, when the tach doesn't redline till 7k, that he doesn't always run it up to 7k. He promptly showed me what a Honda sounds like at 7k - it's one of the fondest memories I have when I think about how I got into cars.

[tofu1413]

Is this worse than Ford using the Mustang name as an EV?

Names these days are pretty interchangeable. The way I see it, the civic is a good car. This will sell to people who want a slightly more luxurious Civic. It'll be 35-40k Cad so a bit more than Civic but less than TLX so it'll make sense.

thats what the EL was for :lawl:

:troll: :troll: :troll:

[BaoTurbo]

https://www.autotrader.ca/editorial/20220310/2023-acura-integra-engine-and-specs-revealed/

Powering the Integra will be a 1.5L turbocharged four-cylinder that produces 200 hp and 192 lb-ft of torque with max torque available from 1,800 through 5,000 rpm. Acura has fitted a new exhaust system it says "adds an emotional sound," so expect this to be a touch louder than other Honda and Acura models.

Bruh, its the same engine as the CR-V and Civic lol.

[teggy604]

https://www.autotrader.ca/editorial/20220310/2023-acura-integra-engine-and-specs-revealed/



Bruh, its the same engine as the CR-V and Civic lol.

What they dont tell you is Acura probably tweak the interior "fake" sound. So it prob does sound different. The exhaust is just for looks. Lol

[SSM_DC5]

Do the 1.5 turbos still have oil dilution issues?

[!Aznboi128]

Pricing announced!
Integra starts at $34,350 top trim will be $42,550

[radeonboy]

Pricing announced!
Integra starts at $34,350 top trim will be $42,550

Integra - $34,350
Integra A-Spec® - $37,050
Integra Elite A-Spec® Package - $42,550
Integra Elite A-Spec® Package and 6-speed manual - $42,550

On paper, this seems like a hard sell next to a Civic SI or GTI. I'll reserve further judgment until reviews come out, but it feels like a missed opportunity not to offer the 6MT at a lower trim level.

[Traum]

So $600 more than the Civic Si, but I bet there wouldn't be very many base model Integras at all...

[roastpuff]

That’s a lotta money for a tarted up Honda Civic Si

[BlackV62K2]

They want 42.5K for a 200hp lol. Go fuck yourself Acura.

[roastpuff]

At least we Canadians get a better deal than the Americans.

Integra $34,350 ($26,834.16 USD)
Integra A-Spec® $37,050 ($28,943.39 USD)
Integra Elite A-Spec® Package $$42,550 ($33,239.98 USD)
Integra Elite A-Spec® Package and 6-speed manual $42,550 ($33,239.98 USD)

[Edison_Chen]

Wow the pricing is expensive. I wonder how much more money the CTR will cost.

[68style]

I guess if you absolutely have to have 4 doors.......... but anyone who wants a sporty car is not buying this over a GR86/BRZ

[twitchyzero]

not surprised the type S will slot at just under fiddy Gees

[!Aznboi128]

Current ILX starts at $31-37
TLX starts at $45,7

I think they priced it right when comparing to their cars and Honda.

[Alpine]

So in reality, the best value trim will likely be the A-spec @ $37k + freight & pdi + fees + taxes = ~$44k for a Civic SI with CVT. If you need to lease/finance it you're looking at a $48-50k car...

[Tapioca]

I had a DA and later a DB2. The Type-R is a halo car to be sure, but the GSR and the non-VTEC cars were just sporty-ish cars, nothing more. They were never serious performance cars, despite what Reddit or nostalgia tells you.

These things used to cost well over 20K in the 1990s, which was a lot of money for essentially a Civic with a better interior and a double overhead cam motor. 45K is not unreasonable for a market segment that is very niche these days. Enthusiasts don't buy new cars - they buy 10K beaters.

[JDMDreams]

Review is out, still undecided about the design

https://youtu.be/3odXTPGcDpM

[blee123]

Did anyone go and test drive it yet ?

How was it ?

[JDMDreams]

So there will be an Integra type s, they says type r motor, how the table has escalated :drunk:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a41788950/2024-acura-integra-type-s-confirmed/

[tofu1413]

Built for the folks that missed out on FL5 allocation.

I do feel the type S monkier should be for the mid line iteration for the Integra with a halo Type R model still being the top Dog for that line up.

Acura USA really makes some shitty marketing choices with the direction of their products.

[tegra7]

^No big wang?

[EvoFire]

I agree with tofu.

Unless they have something even crazier up their sleeve, this should really be the R.

[tofu1413]

^No big wang?

that type S looks pretty good as it sits. not sure how a wing would look on that ITS.

[pherio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMkh4j49etM
Teaser video is up for the Type-S

[pherio]

First looks are up

https://www.motortrend.com/uploads/2023/04/2024-Acura-Integra-Type-S-21.jpg?fit=around%7C1000:625

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-acura-integra-type-s-first-look-review/

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,q_60,w_1600/04956e8c4007cb329cca383904ef0e62.jpg

https://jalopnik.com/2024-acura-integra-type-s-photos-from-every-angle-1850321109

[supafamous]

Surprises:
- Only 40lbs heavier which tells me they didn't add much in the way of sound deadening which doesn't seem to align with the more luxurious aspirations of Acura. The power seats probably are half that weight gain if not most of it.
- Seats are just the standard buckets across the whole Acura line. Didn't expect the CTR's buckets but thought they'd have something in-between. The standard buckets are nice seats but they will NOT hold you in place for a track day.

Otherwise it's great to see a serious Type S car come out of Acura.

[Badhobz]

its not bad for a modern day car. But im not a huge fan of the acura styling... i think i rather go CTR.

[68style]

Funny how current trends for sales have left me feeling the same way about a car like this as I would have a few years ago about a new Ferrari... cool but not reasonably attainable or would take formidable hoop jumping/backdoor shenanigans to obtain... maybe not even at MSRP either.

They really have killed the fun in most things within the industry.

[radeonboy]

This is a cool car, but my gut reaction is to go with a CTR if I'm shopping in this segment. I can't help but see this Type S as an Integra with an aftermarket widebody kit - the aggressive styling fits the Type R better than the premium brand Acura's trying to project.

[rawr]

I actually think this looks better than the FL5. Considering I'm pretty low on the waitlist for the FL5 I just placed a deposit on this thing. Might trade in the GRC... we'll see.

[JDMDreams]

^^ must be nice to be able to just throw around money like that. Yes I'm not sure how I feel about this car, how much is it gonna be? $50+ for a 2l 4 banger fwd isn't really a good deal. I mean I'm sure I can spend $15k on an integra, ek, eg shell for a similar experience. Now that I can actually afford a car like this, I'm not sure if I'm willing to drop that much on the asking price.

[68style]

Gotta pay to play yo

People droppin 6 figs on no cylinders nowadays

On a serious note, anyone recommend an Acura dealer that's honest (haha) and doesn't fuck around with markups?

[TopsyCrett]

@JDMDreams ^ I am in the same boat as you. I am in my late 20's, working a steady career and can finally afford a car like this... but I am still choosing to build an older chassis (EK Civic) and not finance a modern performance car like this. (TBH, with dealer mark-up, taxes etc.. I wouldn't be surprised if it was around $70k all-in). My wrench time is limited, so I am comfortable paying a shop to install most of my modifications that I would normally take multiple weekends of my time whilst not nearly spending as much on a new car like this for a similar experience like you mentioned.

Working in the car industry, I am noticing these cars are selling to mainly those aged 30-45, long time car enthusiasts who once had the time to wrench on older cars... but now just want something ready to go out of the box for their daily commute and for occasional track days. Now working in a decent to well paying career, and their wrench time is heavily taken up by their spouse / raising a young family.

[Traum]

I hated the regular Integra with a passion, so I am quite surprised that the visual tweaks with this Type S has actually made it a decent looking car. The lower half of the front end, in particular, looks far better than the pedestrian version. I can't decide whether the fender flares are tacky or aggressive, but even the hood opening looks good too.

Now, if it could come in a hatch like the CTR, that would have been perfect. But I supposed the sedan format is intentional -- buy the CTR if you want a hatch, and the Integra Type S if you want a sedan.

[JDMDreams]

^^ I'm not even sure if this will sell much, I rarely see new tlx even with how good the type s is or only a few Integra's when they first came out

[68style]

Now, if it could come in a hatch like the CTR, that would have been perfect. But I supposed the sedan format is intentional -- buy the CTR if you want a hatch, and the Integra Type S if you want a sedan.

???

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,q_60,w_1600/77f5bd72e39f73204ef622dc43bb5fec.jpg

[tofu1413]

Cool car, just disappointed with the seats, otherwise exactly what we were expecting for a type S monkier machine.

big fan of the wide track and the vented hood.

[Bender Unit]

Working in the car industry, I am noticing these cars are selling to mainly those aged 30-45, long time car enthusiasts who once had the time to wrench on older cars... but now just want something ready to go out of the box for their daily commute and for occasional track days. Now working in a decent to well paying career, and their wrench time is heavily taken up by their spouse / raising a young family.

Fit right in :fullofwin:

[supafamous]

Gotta pay to play yo

People droppin 6 figs on no cylinders nowadays

On a serious note, anyone recommend an Acura dealer that's honest (haha) and doesn't fuck around with markups?

Give Burrard Acura a try. I didn't end up buying from them but I use their service department and they are excellent (no pressure, no extra work, on time, warranty work always handled promptly with no questions asked). My interactions with the sales team have all been good.

[Tapioca]

Working in the car industry, I am noticing these cars are selling to mainly those aged 30-45, long time car enthusiasts who once had the time to wrench on older cars... but now just want something ready to go out of the box for their daily commute and for occasional track days. Now working in a decent to well paying career, and their wrench time is heavily taken up by their spouse / raising a young family.

This is a thoughtful post.

I'm in that demographic myself, but as a family man with a mortgage, I can't imagine spending 70K on a car that's essentially a toy. We don't make chump change either. I see lots of families spending 50K+ on SUVs, but the market for these types of cars is very small - not even long time car enthusiasts can stomach payments on these types of cars.

[JDMDreams]

^^ plus the interest rate is killer right now, what will they finance you at? Like 7% with good credit? The numbers just don't work. If zero % financing it's a big maybe.

[Badhobz]

This is a thoughtful post.

I'm in that demographic myself, but as a family man with a mortgage, I can't imagine spending 70K on a car that's essentially a toy. We don't make chump change either. I see lots of families spending 50K+ on SUVs, but the market for these types of cars is very small - not even long time car enthusiasts can stomach payments on these types of cars.

That’s why I’m this market you gotta pay cash. Although the counter argument is if you invested the cash even in the high interest savings at 4% then these 7-8% rates balance out to a more reasonable 3-4%

Still not free but better I guess

[roastpuff]

Gotta pay to play yo

People droppin 6 figs on no cylinders nowadays

On a serious note, anyone recommend an Acura dealer that's honest (haha) and doesn't fuck around with markups?

2x on Burrard Acura. Aldric Lee is a good guy on the sales side.

Their service dept is decent, they don't bullshit you on upsells etc either.

[EvoFire]

^^ I'm not even sure if this will sell much, I rarely see new tlx even with how good the type s is or only a few Integra's when they first came out

I was under the impression the TLX Type S is universally panned as not good enough and not competitive. I haven't not seen a review that puts it as a good buy, where the car is tight inside, the engine not comparable to it's German competition, the driving dynamics weak, etc.

[68style]

2x on Burrard Acura. Aldric Lee is a good guy on the sales side.

Their service dept is decent, they don't bullshit you on upsells etc either.

Thanks I talked to Aldric, nice guy, put my name down... but at some point he was like "Are you okay to wait 2-3 years" sounds like they got a shit-tonne of names already. Also would not commit on a colour choice, basically if they get something you gotta take it or see ya never.

All these cars are such vapourware nowadays.

[Badhobz]

2-3 years for a dolled up CTR ?!? Jesus Christ. I hate everyone and everything.

[Traum]

Some of us might remember from last year that Honda/Acura released a mini anime when the Integra was announced -- I'm sure if we go back far enough in this thread, we'll see it. As it turned out, Acura released a Volume 2 of it to promote the Integra Type S:

https://youtu.be/_ayCdUmnXzw

https://youtu.be/faUEb1YUoa8

https://youtu.be/B-1wt3vITcQ

https://youtu.be/yujvWPvzvL8

[Manic!]

Whats the point of looking at new cars these days when you can't get anything. Car companies are pulling the same shit shoe companies do. Might as well just get a Tesla. I can order a model 3 right now and have it here in 2 months or less. Should also order a pair of Vessi's. Because fuck shoe companies.

[pherio]

Whats the point of looking at new cars these days when you can't get anything. Car companies are pulling the same shit shoe companies do. Might as well just get a Tesla. I can order a model 3 right now and have it here in 2 months or less. Should also order a pair of Vessi's. Because fuck shoe companies.


Everything is going to be like this. Companies will rather sell to the few "Whales" than anything in quantity. Mobile game companies started this and are the most profitable companies ever, every company wants a piece of it.

Can't imagine this being south of 65k. Openroad has an ASpec in their inventory for 48k, thats just under 3k less than what an FL5 is at MSRP.

[twitchyzero]

now we just need the comeback of integra girl

really dumb they didn't wait to announce the integra until the type-s was ready, the damage has already been done even if this looks pretty good

wouldnt mind one if they ever hit 15k FeelsGoodMan

[tofu1413]

I was under the impression the TLX Type S is universally panned as not good enough and not competitive. I haven't not seen a review that puts it as a good buy, where the car is tight inside, the engine not comparable to it's German competition, the driving dynamics weak, etc.

agree.

It didnt deliver the wow factor as the 08 TL Type S......


man.. that was a good car.

[Gerbs]

now we just need the comeback of integra girl

really dumb they didn't wait to announce the integra until the type-s was ready, the damage has already been done even if this looks pretty good

wouldnt mind one if they ever hit 15k FeelsGoodMan

I don't think even the FK8 / TLX Type S will ever hit sub $25k lol

[BIC_BAWS]

I don't think even the FK8 / TLX Type S will ever hit sub $25k lolI hope not

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[68style]

2x on Burrard Acura. Aldric Lee is a good guy on the sales side.

Their service dept is decent, they don't bullshit you on upsells etc either.

Aldric called me today, he was making notes on who referred me so I gave your (real) name haha

He said they're organizing their allocations and places in line and things are looking good numbers wise for allocations? He said doesn't want to get my hopes up but that things are getting serious.

But that's where the positive news kind of ends...

At least for Burrard Acura... they are doing:
- mandatory ceramic coat package ~ $2,000 extra
- mandatory owner protection package... so like coverage if you lose your keys or other nonsense (unknown price)
- mandatory all available accessories installed (unknown price)

So basically it sounds like it's going to be anywhere from $5-10k markup through unnecessary add-ons. Sigh.

I'm also at risk of getting bumped down because I got nothing to trade-in and it's mandatory financing, 6 months minimum and then you can pay it off... but no cash purchase allowed.

Dealers still dealin.............. I don't blame Aldric at all, he's just doing what he's told to do and he's being extremely upfront and honest about it which I appreciate, but obviously Burrard's tactics are... disappointing to say the least.

[OriginalJC]

Aldric called me today, he was making notes on who referred me so I gave your (real) name haha

He said they're organizing their allocations and places in line and things are looking good numbers wise for allocations? He said doesn't want to get my hopes up but that things are getting serious.

But that's where the positive news kind of ends...

At least for Burrard Acura... they are doing:
- mandatory ceramic coat package ~ $2,000 extra
- mandatory owner protection package... so like coverage if you lose your keys or other nonsense (unknown price)
- mandatory all available accessories installed (unknown price)

So basically it sounds like it's going to be anywhere from $5-10k markup through unnecessary add-ons. Sigh.

I'm also at risk of getting bumped down because I got nothing to trade-in and it's mandatory financing, 6 months minimum and then you can pay it off... but no cash purchase allowed.

Dealers still dealin.............. I don't blame Aldric at all, he's just doing what he's told to do and he's being extremely upfront and honest about it which I appreciate, but obviously Burrard's tactics are... disappointing to say the least.

Damn that's crazy.

As for Aldric, can also vouch for him, he's the only salesman to ever actually far exceed my expectations on a sale + trade-in.

[twitchyzero]

is there not some law in place that prevents penalties for paying off loan at any time?
seems shaddddy af

[trollface]

There is no such law. Just look at mortgages, you can't just pay it off.

[AstulzerRZD]

I don't think even the FK8 / TLX Type S will ever hit sub $25k lol

I think the Type S will - if we looked at unloved luxury sedans (Giulia / F30 328/330, Q50), their resale all tanks even if the performance/product is objectively pretty good.

I don't think FK8 will drop unless someone releases a practical hatch that's just as much of a track focused car. i.e. GR STi prices were stuck at 30k+ for the longest time then hella dropped when the Focus RS released

[Gerbs]

The Type S is almost a $75K OOTD car. So it'll take a lot of time for it to hit sub $25K. At the same time the car isn't anymore special in my eyes than a Q50 or Giulia.

But we'll report back in 6 years to see the result.

[68style]

I almost never see any on the road... I think lack of sales will keep used prices up, so few to choose from really.

That car has super comfy seats, I remember test driving one years ago when they first came out and was like damn these seats are niiiice.

[JDMDreams]

I never even see any new Integras. I've seen a few new type rs. Not sure how Acura is surviving.

[teggy604]

Aldric called me today, he was making notes on who referred me so I gave your (real) name haha

He said they're organizing their allocations and places in line and things are looking good numbers wise for allocations? He said doesn't want to get my hopes up but that things are getting serious.

But that's where the positive news kind of ends...

At least for Burrard Acura... they are doing:
- mandatory ceramic coat package ~ $2,000 extra
- mandatory owner protection package... so like coverage if you lose your keys or other nonsense (unknown price)
- mandatory all available accessories installed (unknown price)

So basically it sounds like it's going to be anywhere from $5-10k markup through unnecessary add-ons. Sigh.

I'm also at risk of getting bumped down because I got nothing to trade-in and it's mandatory financing, 6 months minimum and then you can pay it off... but no cash purchase allowed.

Dealers still dealin.............. I don't blame Aldric at all, he's just doing what he's told to do and he's being extremely upfront and honest about it which I appreciate, but obviously Burrard's tactics are... disappointing to say the least.


is the demand so high that some person willing to take it up the ass like that?
So happy I already have my cars from back in the day. This is insane.

[Bender Unit]

Acura only sold 11,412 units in Year 2022 in Canada
it is dying quickly.
These "Type S" models aren't saving them

https://driving.ca/column/driving-by-numbers/10-brand-losers-2022-canadian-auto-market

[EvoFire]

Acura only sold 11,412 units in Year 2022 in Canada
it is dying quickly.
These "Type S" models aren't saving them

https://driving.ca/column/driving-by-numbers/10-brand-losers-2022-canadian-auto-market

Acura's offerings are weak across the board. Their strongest car is the RDX and it suffers from poor gas mileage, funky tranny programming, and lots of early infotainment gremlins. We looked at it, but ultimately the Germans beat it in terms of capability, usability, AND value.

The MDX Type S is barely a match in performance compared to the same class of Germans in base trim, nevermind the performance trims. The only differentiator being able to spec 7 seats. Also suffers from poor fuel economy. It loses out in performance compared to the Germans, and loses out being a rolling couch compared to Lexus.

The TLX is an also ran.
The Integra I can't tell yet, but so far reception seems average at best.

I find it hard to recommend the Integra Type S over the FL5R, and I think either one is going to be hard to get.

[JDMDreams]

Yes, I think they really dropped the ball. I feel likey they are trying to pull a Subaru where you can roll with 250 to 300 hp but Subaru is an economy brand. And Acura is trying to be premium, even the Koreans are exceeding them. Not sure why they didn't do a power push, or phev push considering they have nsx tech and they had hybrid experience for years. They also aren't cheap enough to win in price.

At least even Nissan and infiniti has 400hp turbo.

[Badhobz]

so the Type S reviews are out and it looks like everyone loves it so far. Lots of people saying its worth the premium over the CTR.

Some takeaways
- its built in marysville Ohio. Engine, body, everything. Looking at the video the americans making it dont exactly seem like they are doing such a bang up job. I see this woman just bashing the panels in.... im not in manufacturing but id take the CTR built in japan over this anyday.
- 15hp and 30ftlb more than the CTR. thats quite a bit for the same engine
- tuning and suspension is quite a bit more pleasant for the street

https://youtu.be/sCUjKAENGXk

[rawr]

F to all the guys who pulled their deposit lol
Now to figure out which one i'd buy... have deposits on both!

[68style]

I didn't pull my deposit, but you've got to be crazy to pay $10k over MSRP for this thing

[teggy604]

Integra should have been semi auto. No point having stick shift. You got the CTR or a golden era Honda/Acura for that purpose.

[Badhobz]

Anyone else not happy with the fact that this thing is built in marysville ?! To me it’s a dealbreaker. Why the fuck do I want Joe 6 pack to put together my car for more money when I can get a Honda takumi to do better ?!

[68style]

I'm not happy that they still charge a premium even tho it is... car is built in USA and free of tariffs/duties they should be charging less for it. High profit car.

Built in USA is definitely a bit of a downer for me, but I also think those factories have made a lot of leaps and strides in recent years.

[68style]

Integra should have been semi auto. No point having stick shift. You got the CTR or a golden era Honda/Acura for that purpose.

They literally spent the entire video saying the opposite of this and that manual is the reason to buy this car as a do everything.

The TLX is there if you want an auto.

[supafamous]

Other than the price this thing looks awesome - younger me (no kids me) would have leaped on it and skipped the two car experience (Miata & TSX).

[Badhobz]

Listening to carmudgeon podcast with Jason camisa and he mentioned a few times that the axle hop on the CTR / type S is quite a problem if you’re driving in the wet / slippery conditions. It’s only good in the most perfect weather otherwise it feels “broken” (his words not mine)

Also artificially limited by Acura North America is a total fuck you by Honda. I get the Japanese factory doing CTRs is overwhelmed and parts shortage etc. but the NA factory is limiting production to 500 units a year is bullshit.

[JDMDreams]

I guess for the money you can get a 400z

[BIC_BAWS]

I guess for the money you can get a 400zWhy would you want a 400z instead . ..

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[BIC_BAWS]

As a FK8 owner, I spend a lot of time explaining to people the shortcomings of this car. Unlike a lot of Type R owners, I spend quite a bit of time in the car, I've racked on 40K km since December 2021.

I think there's a fine line between having a stripped out race car solely for track use and a run of the mill econobox that's spicy.

In my opinion the CTR seems to thread that better than the GRC. GRC seems a bit too "track focused" while the CTR seems more fun and livable as a daily.

Ask bic baws about his CTR and he'll probably say otherwise as its like 80 decibels on the i5 lawl. But i got a feeling the GRC is worse.

All the shortcomings that I have about the FK8 seem to be answered in the Type S. I'd probably pay the cost difference between the two MSRPs. Tbh, I do about 3-4 track days a year, the Type R with a little more livability would be great. That said, if the trunk is smaller it's a no go.

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[Matsuda]

I kinda want one, tempted to part out the golf R and give that to the wife. But only if i'd be able to get one at MSRP....sooooo I guess I'm keeping the Golf R lol

[Badhobz]

i think once the initial bs dies down, you might be able to get one later on without any markup. Just give it a year

1- its artificially limited by Honda North America. they don't have to wait for japan to do anything, they make everything in house in Marysville Ohio. They can easily flood the market with these cars if they wanted to (its only available in north America, no Europe, Asia, etc)

2- a lot of people wont pony up the 10k additional $$ vs the civic type r

3- manual fwd sedans arent gonna appeal to the general public and only a few enthusiasts willing to pay almost 60k for this vs a bmw/supra or even just a brz/gr86 with cash left over.

[Traum]

The "Made in America" factor is definitely a detriment for me. It is no secret that Honda (and Toyota's) Japanese factories produce stuff that have much higher build quality than what their N.American counterparts produce. My old man's "Built in Canada" FC2 Civic is not particularly well-built, even though it is still sufficiently reliable.

[teggy604]

I kinda want one, tempted to part out the golf R and give that to the wife. But only if i'd be able to get one at MSRP....sooooo I guess I'm keeping the Golf R lol

IMO Golf R is a better daily. AWD, decent cargo space, and it seats 5 people. 2023 Golf R 20th Anniversary Edition still cheaper than the ITS.

[bcrdukes]

You read that, trollface?

[AzNightmare]

Does it really make that big of a difference it's USA made or just past stigma?
Can't geek over JDM anymore?

[BIC_BAWS]

Does it really make that big of a difference it's USA made or just past stigma?
Can't geek over JDM anymore?Yes. My FK8's build quality makes a US built Model 3 look good.

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[supafamous]

Does it really make that big of a difference it's USA made or just past stigma?
Can't geek over JDM anymore?

My Ohio built RDX has ass build quality. I don't think the American plants were always this bad but they're going through an extended rough patch right now.

[JDMDreams]

I think the rx is made in Canada, those weren't bad :considered: from my memory

[Badhobz]

I think the rx is made in Canada, those weren't bad :considered: from my memory

FUCK NO

My wife's RX is made in canada and its literally the worst lexusususus we've ever owned.

Our family has..... (takes a deep breath).... 2022 LC, 2018 RX, 2008 RX400h, 2010 ES350, 2002 SC430 (2 of them if you count my previous one)

Only the canadian built 2018 RX is a piece of shit. It rattles, it squeaks, i had to take apart the whole god damn dash myself to resolve these issues with foam tape. When my 2010 ES has better quality than a $90,000 SUV there's something wrong. MY dads 400h, has been bullet proof. That thing has 200,000km on it and it doesnt even make a peep.

Just look at this shit.
J VIN RX same year
https://i.postimg.cc/pr0P4XBP/1.jpg
Our stupid canadian built piece of shit
https://i.postimg.cc/Vs4sdDP2/IMG-7041.jpg

Just cant hold a candle to japanese build quality. ALWAYS BUY MADE IN JAPAN if youre spending the same amount of money.

In this case, youre spending 10k more for something that's worse. I guarantee you its worse.

[Badhobz]

i basically took apart the interior piece by piece and used sound deadening tape to wrap all these trim pieces

https://i.postimg.cc/gkhPWDsC/IMG-0395.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/4dyrFbnF/IMG-0401.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/ydGwqgZ6/IMG-0399.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/JhrwjW88/IMG-6958.jpg

I wouldnt be surprised if there was a fucking timbit hidden away inside the central console or something. The workmanship is dogshit.

Why wouldnt you want this for 10k less?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgMuJIu3RnA

[JDMDreams]

I guess it's the older gen rx330 and the gen after rx350 that was still JDM?

[Badhobz]

yes the 2nd gen RX's were all made in Japan. Canadian production started in 2008 with the 3rd gen.

"The first North American pre-production prototypes were sent to Cambridge, Canada in early 2008 for testing prior to the first RX 350 rolling off the production line on 28 November 2008"

You can still find a 4th gen RX built in japan, but it would have to be the RX-L. Even the hybrids were made in canada. Now the new 5th gen are all built in Ontario no matter what trim / model.

[radeonboy]

FUCK NO

My wife's RX is made in canada and its literally the worst lexusususus we've ever owned.

Our family has..... (takes a deep breath).... 2022 LC, 2018 RX, 2008 RX400h, 2010 ES350, 2002 SC430 (2 of them if you count my previous one)

Only the canadian built 2018 RX is a piece of shit. It rattles, it squeaks, i had to take apart the whole god damn dash myself to resolve these issues with foam tape. When my 2010 ES has better quality than a $90,000 SUV there's something wrong. MY dads 400h, has been bullet proof. That thing has 200,000km on it and it doesnt even make a peep.

As a counterpoint, my sister also has a 2018 RX and it's been excellent and rattle-free. Contrast that to my parents' 2013 GS which has a pretty serious rattle near the sunroof - it sounds like the sunroof is going to fall apart every time we go through some sort of a bump. I wanted to look into it but they don't want me tearing their car apart, but they're also too lazy to get it fixed since it's their 3rd vehicle that they're keeping around for my sister to learn driving in.

Going back on topic with the Integra - I just looked up the pricing on the Type S and it seems fairly reasonable at MSRP? I would pay the difference over the Type-R for the QoL features for everyday driving.

[Badhobz]

Is her RX a J Vin ? Probably not but I’m glad hers is okay. I’m sure North American Japanese build quality is generally okay. But for my money I rather have a Japanese built car if I’m paying for a japanese car.

Besides the squeaks though the RX has been bulletproof so the general quality is okay

[radeonboy]

Is her RX a J Vin ? Probably not but I’m glad hers is okay. I’m sure North American Japanese build quality is generally okay. But for my money I rather have a Japanese built car if I’m paying for a japanese car.

Besides the squeaks though the RX has been bulletproof so the general quality is okay

It's a Canadian VIN, but I would go for a J VIN given the option. All the Lexus vehicles in the family have been great to us despite their manufacturing origin, but the Japanese ones have that distinct JDM smell when new that I absolutely love.

[68style]

Is Acura out to fucking lunch or what?

Go try building a Type-S on the Acura Canada website and look at the packages!!!

A fuckin ducktail spoiler and mirror caps in CF for $3100
Black wheel bolts and black Acura badges for $1233????? Seriously?!?! LUG NUTS and 2 badges is over a grand?

LOL

Don't forget the rubber floormats and trunk liner for $805 as well !!

[Hakkaboy]

Is Acura out to fucking lunch or what?

Go try building a Type-S on the Acura Canada website and look at the packages!!!

A fuckin ducktail spoiler and mirror caps in CF for $3100
Black wheel bolts and black Acura badges for $1233????? Seriously?!?! LUG NUTS and 2 badges is over a grand?

LOL

Don't forget the rubber floormats and trunk liner for $805 as well !!

So what colour ITS are you getting?

[68style]

I asked for my ass raping to be in blue :)

Smurf fetish

[Badhobz]

buy it, drive it, flip it.

I think you can probably make back some money

[Traum]

Hmm... those look even more expensive than what Porsche charges for their add ons lol~

[radeonboy]

Is Acura out to fucking lunch or what?

Go try building a Type-S on the Acura Canada website and look at the packages!!!

A fuckin ducktail spoiler and mirror caps in CF for $3100
Black wheel bolts and black Acura badges for $1233????? Seriously?!?! LUG NUTS and 2 badges is over a grand?

LOL

Don't forget the rubber floormats and trunk liner for $805 as well !!

The Smoking Tire Podcast did a short segment on the ITS situation in the US where corporate required dealers to order $10k in accessories for their demo ITS in order to get an allocation.

https://youtu.be/85GxbxjKYpk?t=865

[Badhobz]

yes even smoking tire agrees, its artificially limited for no stinking reason.

[bcrdukes]

Do car companies even want people to buy cars? Or are they just banking on the strategy of limiting production where allocation is given to customers who guarantee a level of profit?

Hello Greta Thunberg. HOW DARE YOU!?

[68style]

I think they're operating on a REALLY OLD style of thinking... where intrigue about a special car builds interest in the brand and when they can't get that car, they settle for something else from the lineup that's even higher profit margins like a regular Integra or maybe look at a SUV instead.

Which, in this day and age, is a really stupid assumption if that's the case. People are not loyal to brands like they used to be.

[BIC_BAWS]

Is Acura out to fucking lunch or what?

Go try building a Type-S on the Acura Canada website and look at the packages!!!

A fuckin ducktail spoiler and mirror caps in CF for $3100
Black wheel bolts and black Acura badges for $1233????? Seriously?!?! LUG NUTS and 2 badges is over a grand?

LOL

Don't forget the rubber floormats and trunk liner for $805 as well !!

Honda does the same. The FK8 optional catalogue (Honda Access) is stupid expensive. Whole trim "cf" trim kit is like $1500 USD. The wing center piece is like $1000 USD. Mirror caps, $800 USD.

The worst part is, unlike BMW M, these are trim pieces you put 3M tape on to put over. Not complete replacements. Disgusting.

[Badhobz]

It’s held on by tape ?!?!? What kinda horseshit is that
Honda is the aliexpress tuner of the car world.

[BIC_BAWS]

That's what I'm saying! Everyone thinks I'm crazy for expecting more. Even a Non-M BMW if you get optional trim, you get a whole NEW trim piece. If I wanted to skin my OEM trim piece, I'd do it myself (or more realistically pay jackp0t to do it LOL)

[68style]

I was laughing at my friend paying like $400 or whatever it was for 50th Anniversary BMW logos on his i4... but $1200 for black Acura badges and wheel bolts really takes the cake.

[EvoFire]

^ Makes the BMW badges suddenly seem like a bargain.

[underscore]

$7k more than a GRC to start, plus I decided to get silly with the options for funsies and pick the most expensive of everything.

MSRP
$55,600.00

Options
$30,464.90

Colour - Apex Blue Pearl
$500.00

Total Accessories
$18,798.90

Acura Plus Warranty
$3,588.00

Protection
$7,578.00

Fees
$2,720.00

Total Vehicle Price
$88,784.90

[Badhobz]

Hahahahha !!! 88k with tax will be over 100k for a friggin integra. Awesome

[jaaagman]

The $55k MSRP is not that bad, though realistically, no one is paying that for an ITS. I wonder if the $30k options includes a spare Civic :fullofwin:

[radeonboy]

So...who wants to "OWN A PIECE OF HISTORY":

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1882977715420589/

https://scontent.fcxh3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t45.5328-4/356283827_9734134989989713_1561891058767500605_n.j pg?stp=dst-jpg_s960x960&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=1a0e84&_nc_ohc=_X0w62cBRKQAX_hKo_f&_nc_ht=scontent.fcxh3-1.fna&oh=00_AfBkqTf_VYHj5ARhKX-asAIWlCaxUY3azYBKiupemMSklw&oe=64B41D08

[SSM_DC5]

Finance/lease only, must have trade.
Guess market is still hot for new cars that dealers still make these demands.
There's a new 2023 (non type r) sitting on Richmond's showroom though:suspicious:

[68style]

I think things are starting to falter a bit... I'm on a few chats of more expensive cars and you're starting to see a lot of dealers shop around cars that people ordered but now turned them down when they came in.

Nobody wants to or should afford 7% finance rates on a car.

I know my buddy bought a GT3 a few months back for $375k and now I am seeing GT3's the same as his selling for $325k... still massively expensive, but that's a pretty big drop. And no I have NOT mentioned it to him because I don't want to wipe the smile off his face lol

[tofu1413]

I think things are starting to falter a bit... I'm on a few chats of more expensive cars and you're starting to see a lot of dealers shop around cars that people ordered but now turned them down when they came in.

Nobody wants to or should afford 7% finance rates on a car.

I know my buddy bought a GT3 a few months back for $375k and now I am seeing GT3's the same as his selling for $325k... still massively expensive, but that's a pretty big drop. And no I have NOT mentioned it to him because I don't want to wipe the smile off his face lol

market is sinking weekly right now.

992 GT3 owners that paid over MSRP last summer (at its peak) is eating a dick on depreciation as we speak at a rate of almost 100k since 12 months ago (GT3). Its bricked alot.

Current automotive lending rates are 10% give or take on non subvented rates.

[noclue]

Do you think the fed + provincial luxury taxes on cars nowadays have slowed the depreciation curve compared to before?

[snowball]

I think things are starting to falter a bit... I'm on a few chats of more expensive cars and you're starting to see a lot of dealers shop around cars that people ordered but now turned them down when they came in.

Nobody wants to or should afford 7% finance rates on a car.

I know my buddy bought a GT3 a few months back for $375k and now I am seeing GT3's the same as his selling for $325k... still massively expensive, but that's a pretty big drop. And no I have NOT mentioned it to him because I don't want to wipe the smile off his face lol

Gone are the days the dealership was begging me to take 0% financing (this was 2016) :lawl:

[quasi]

So...who wants to "OWN A PIECE OF HISTORY":

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1882977715420589/

Oh baby jebus in the manger, that thing is hideous from the back, might as well toss a shopping cart handle on the trunk lid and complete the look.

[trollface]

I want to know who the hell is financing 50-60k cars at 7%. Everyone is driving around in a new 50-60k car these days.

[Badhobz]

I think things are starting to falter a bit... I'm on a few chats of more expensive cars and you're starting to see a lot of dealers shop around cars that people ordered but now turned them down when they came in.

Nobody wants to or should afford 7% finance rates on a car.

I know my buddy bought a GT3 a few months back for $375k and now I am seeing GT3's the same as his selling for $325k... still massively expensive, but that's a pretty big drop. And no I have NOT mentioned it to him because I don't want to wipe the smile off his face lol

Do it !! He’s rich. He can handle it. Go buy another you rich motherfucker. Fuck yo couch

[BIC_BAWS]

I want to know who the hell is financing 50-60k cars at 7%. Everyone is driving around in a new 50-60k car these days.A CRV black edition (just trim lol) is like 70K. A Sequoia is like a 100K "truck"... Crazy.

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[teggy604]

Its okay. Vancouver people are rich lol. Now vehicle pricing falls in line with housing prices. What is next?

[Badhobz]

I’m just thinking gen z kids are screwed. Covid fucked their education and homes are forever out of reach (pretty sure the last generation to be able to do this was/is the millennials) but now they won’t even be able to afford new cars.

Good luck children !

[bcuzracecarz]

I want to know who the hell is financing 50-60k cars at 7%. Everyone is driving around in a new 50-60k car these days.

Everyone, not to mention you can basically finance anything for 7-8-9 years now. People done give a shit as long as their payment is something they think they can afford.

[EvoFire]

A CRV black edition (just trim lol) is like 70K. A Sequoia is like a 100K "truck"... Crazy.

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It gets me that the luxury tax surcharge in BC starts at 55k. It's been 55k since I started looking at 2006 IS350 when the 2GR-FSE came out. Back then you can get a loaded 3 series/IS350 out the door under the luxury tax.

You can't even get a minivan with select options out the door without hitting the threshold. I guess it's a luxury to buy a new car. Screw those parents who needs a van.

[Manic!]

Messaged the guy about the Acura offering my GRC as trade bait.

Awesome! Due to extremely high interest we are talking with interested parties by appointment in person. We are located at 20257 Langley Bypass. When would work best for you to pop by with your trade?

Told him I was in Nanaimo and asked for a price.

We are selling at MSRP plus accessories and warranty. The vehicle is going to whoever's build makes the most sense for us.

Asked again for the price and what my trade in would be worth. Did not get a reply.

[underscore]

Everyone, not to mention you can basically finance anything for 7-8-9 years now. People done give a shit as long as their payment is something they think they can afford.

Even then I don't get how people make the payments. The most base model Odyssey I could spec, stretched over 7 years is still $815/mo. The Sequoia (which for some reason starts at the TRD Off Road?) is $1390/mo.

[trollface]

Interesting thought isent it.

[teggy604]

I’m just thinking gen z kids are screwed. Covid fucked their education and homes are forever out of reach (pretty sure the last generation to be able to do this was/is the millennials) but now they won’t even be able to afford new cars.

Good luck children !

Last Gen to buy a home was millennial for sure. Most my friends have only 1 kid. Maybe 2 max.

Newer generations spend money like water. So good luck to them indeed.

[twitchyzero]

i think the pandemic made people realize to live a little, even in workaholic societies taking weekend trips are up considerably

i can see why it's not motivating to save if ownership is out of reach anyways

[trollface]

I see the books at work and here is our parking lot:

- M4 Comp (about 90k)
- The last gen STI
- Cayman
- Merc SUV X 2
- 2021 3 Series
- 2021 A5 S line
- Rav 4 Prime

Interesting.

[JDMDreams]

So do they live in their basement at home? Or do they own?:lawl:

[JDMDreams]

Why not golf r:troll::troll::troll::joy:

[trollface]

No one owns jack.

[68style]

I see the books at work and here is our parking lot:

- M4 Comp (about 90k)
- The last gen STI
- Cayman
- Merc SUV X 2
- 2021 3 Series
- 2021 A5 S line
- Rav 4 Prime

Interesting.

Wendys parking lot has some pimpass rides, frostie sales through the roof!

[JDMDreams]

I have been spending more money at Wendy's than mcd ,the buddy girls must be making big bucks by always shorting items in my order.

[trollface]

Dave's double is pretty litt

[tofu1413]

NGL, gonna go try that new Frostie Float.

[AzNightmare]

i think the pandemic made people realize to live a little, even in workaholic societies taking weekend trips are up considerably

i can see why it's not motivating to save if ownership is out of reach anyways

Most people would choose cars over saving up in their 20's. If you weren't saving in your 20's, it's too late to start in your 30's with the way things are now. But some people are still choosing cars in their 30's, just more expensive ones than they did in their 20's.

[BIC_BAWS]

Most people would choose cars over saving up in their 20's. If you weren't saving in your 20's, it's too late to start in your 30's with the way things are now. But some people are still choosing cars in their 30's, just more expensive ones than they did in their 20's.Once you get that debt (mortgage) it's over. Everything goes into it. I'm glad I did car stuff first and still try to make car stuff work even with a mortgage. I was supposed to do 0 track days this year, yet I'm about to do my 3rd in August. I do however buy a lot of used tires and brake pads/rotors. Mostly because there's still a lot of usable life in them that most people don't expect.


It's depressing tho - having a mortgage. I just renewed. Went from a 25 year term less 3, back to a 30 year term. The fact that I'm gonna be paying this house off until I'm roughly 56 is depressing as hell. I'm 26 next month and I now know first hand what it's like to be house poor because I have zero savings. Some people spend what little savings they have on dating or vacations, the car / track life is the one thing that helps me keep going.

Of course the smart thing to do would be to sell my car and buy a shitbox. But the shitboxes cost 70% as much and quality of life is so much worse. The smart thing to do, like you say, is to save in my 20s. Props to the people doing or had done the financially responsible things cause it's hard to always choose responsibility over happiness.



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[68style]

You just need a sugarmama problem solved!

Or a sugardaddy... no judgement

[Traum]

Of course the smart thing to do would be to sell my car and buy a shitbox. But the shitboxes cost 70% as much and quality of life is so much worse. The smart thing to do, like you say, is to save in my 20s. Props to the people doing or had done the financially responsible things cause it's hard to always choose responsibility over happiness.

Hang in there, buddy. For the most part, I consider myself being caught up in some sheer dumb luck because at the time when I bought my first apartment in my late 20's, RE prices have not gone bat shxt crazy yet -- I think my first starter apartment was a 700 sq ft affair for just $300k+?

Young folks really have the odds insanely stacked against them, and you are already ahead in that game, even though it doesn't feel like it.

I signed up for my current mortgage @ 40 yrs old, and right now, I am aiming to pay it off @65 LOL~ (All the while being house-poor.) That'd make the perfect retirement gift, wouldn't it LOL?

[Dbone]

Sorry, this is off topic but look at it this way. Now is a good time to be house poor. You're inflating that debt away.

Eventually your salary will move up and you will be paying off the expensive dollars of 3 years ago with the garbage dollars of tomorrow.

Also, at least you're getting some track days in. I'm struggling to find time to dial out the predet I'm getting at the moment so I'm at 0 track days this summer despite buying a trailer and getting a few weekend passes from the wife.

[JDMDreams]

I'll just leave this here.

https://financialpost.com/news/canada-standard-of-living-falling-behind

And yes I thought about just carrying the debt forever? As most likely this house won't be a forever home you will sell some day and the appreciation + inflation will offset the debt? So invest the money rather than pay off debt?:drunk:

[Tapioca]

It's pretty easy to get discouraged these days.

But, then I have to remember that the posters on RS are extremely privileged. The gap between the rich and poor is growing wider, particularly post-pandemic. Lots of people are struggling - all you see on Facebook community groups is people wanting advice on finding their next rental or on different ways to make ends meet. Many people can only dream of getting a mortgage - they can barely make rent.

[68style]

Well... sort of... but less than 30% of Canadians rent, and people who complain a lot tend to go online to do it and waste time on FB (older people) to whine and cry about how much better things used to be instead of using their time smarter or trying to hustle a bit.

If you look at their other posts on (insert name of group here) I find you always see their other posts are about buying a new car or being a Steveson Pizza Co. with some lobster pizza or their next Mexico trip.

People are stupid.

Smart people buy Integra Type-S at MSRP tho am I right? lol

[Badhobz]

uhhhh sure. Although i still think the smarter person is the one who buys the CTR FL5 for MSRP and save yourself the 8k.

[AzNightmare]

Once you get that debt (mortgage) it's over. Everything goes into it. I'm glad I did car stuff first and still try to make car stuff work even with a mortgage. I was supposed to do 0 track days this year, yet I'm about to do my 3rd in August. I do however buy a lot of used tires and brake pads/rotors. Mostly because there's still a lot of usable life in them that most people don't expect.


It's depressing tho - having a mortgage. I just renewed. Went from a 25 year term less 3, back to a 30 year term. The fact that I'm gonna be paying this house off until I'm roughly 56 is depressing as hell. I'm 26 next month and I now know first hand what it's like to be house poor because I have zero savings. Some people spend what little savings they have on dating or vacations, the car / track life is the one thing that helps me keep going.

Of course the smart thing to do would be to sell my car and buy a shitbox. But the shitboxes cost 70% as much and quality of life is so much worse. The smart thing to do, like you say, is to save in my 20s. Props to the people doing or had done the financially responsible things cause it's hard to always choose responsibility over happiness.



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That already seems incredibly rare to be in your mid 20's with a house, and also didn't sacrifice and got to have fun with car stuff. I think you did really well. If you already have property and still able to have extra for fun, I think that's doing it right.

A lot of people out there are much older, with zero savings, an no property. Feel very hopeless of ever being owners and what little they do save up goes into fun, because like you said, it's hard to choose responsibility over happiness.

[Tapioca]

Well... sort of... but less than 30% of Canadians rent, and people who complain a lot tend to go online to do it and waste time on FB (older people) to whine and cry about how much better things used to be instead of using their time smarter or trying to hustle a bit.

If you look at their other posts on (insert name of group here) I find you always see their other posts are about buying a new car or being a Steveson Pizza Co. with some lobster pizza or their next Mexico trip.

People are stupid.

Smart people buy Integra Type-S at MSRP tho am I right? lol

Yes, the internet tends to skew to the negative generally, but the number of people who find themselves in a tough situation is getting larger. The number is closer to 40% of households in Metro Vancouver who rent:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/metro-vancouver-housing-statistics-population-demographics

[teggy604]

I see ppl renting closets and bathtubs for $600 a month. Which is ridiculous. I remember 2 decades ago I can rent a whole basement for that price.

[BIC_BAWS]

That already seems incredibly rare to be in your mid 20's with a house, and also didn't sacrifice and got to have fun with car stuff. I think you did really well. If you already have property and still able to have extra for fun, I think that's doing it right.

A lot of people out there are much older, with zero savings, an no property. Feel very hopeless of ever being owners and what little they do save up goes into fun, because like you said, it's hard to choose responsibility over happiness.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

My parents were one of those people, in their 50/60s with no hope of every owning a home. Every dollar went to my brother and I. I'm fortunate that despite living in low income housing most of my life / food banks etc, I was able to experience cool sports in school (snowboarding, etc due to subsidies).

I left out a key caveat, I posted about it back in 2020 when we were looking to buy. But basically I own 1/3 of the house (on title lol). I pay for 1/2 the mortgage, but I definitely didn't contribute as much to the DP as my parents, but I guess that's why the debt is on me to carry.

In regards to happiness over responsibility, that's why I bought the Type R after the initial mortgage approval LOL. I was hoping to have paid it off by now, but it hasn't gone that way. Fortunately the loan is 3.99% which is pennies compared to the 5.29% that I just renewed my mortgage for.

While I know it's not logical to compare to my peers or even the people on RS, it's hard not to. But similarly, everyone probably has their own struggles that they're dealing with that doesn't get shared. It just appears that everyone is living the good life. Ironically, I've become the typical "look like I'm living the good life but under a mountain of debt" type.

I see ppl renting closest and bathtubs for $600 a month. Which is ridiculous. I remember 2 decades ago I can rent a whole basement for that price.

2 decades ago, an 01 ITR was $31,500. Today, the ITS is 56K. Pretty much adjusted for inflation (1.72), it's about the same cost.

Of course housing doesn't carry the same low rate of inflation.

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[lowside67]

I see ppl renting closest and bathtubs for $600 a month. Which is ridiculous. I remember 2 decades ago I can rent a whole basement for that price.
If your expectation is that prices for things will not increase materially over a 20 year period, you are going to be pretty constantly unhappy - that is not a reasonable ask for living in a country with a growing GDP and immigration.

It's also not to say real estate hasn't outpaced inflation either, but your baseline seems unrealistic.

-Mark

[Traum]

Ironically, I've become the typical "look like I'm living the good life but under a mountain of debt" type.

This is the story of my life LOL~

I'm trying to embrace it, whatever that means :fuckyea:

[Badhobz]

Pretty sure this lifestyle applies to most people in vancouver who are actually working. only these new immigrants/international students/mainlander housewives who dont work has the cash to do whatever and no debt.

[teggy604]

If your expectation is that prices for things will not increase materially over a 20 year period, you are going to be pretty constantly unhappy - that is not a reasonable ask for living in a country with a growing GDP and immigration.

It's also not to say real estate hasn't outpaced inflation either, but your baseline seems unrealistic.

-Mark


I think what is unrealistic is someone thinking a closet or bathtub is a rentable space. Lol

[The Producer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRoW6wWJ9Dw

[trollface]

Do you think I can live in a Golf?

[Badhobz]

Vanlife golf life. Sure why not

[JDMDreams]

I wonder if van, moving van life is fun, I mean you can just park where your work, no rent, no property tax, all you pay is car insurance. ??? Profit :considered:

[trollface]

It's fun if you dont value personal realtionships.

[JDMDreams]

I just saw a type s drive by and damn it's aggressive with the wide body :awwyeah:

[pherio]

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rkyzMX6k/2024-acura-integra-type-s

Flipper on CarsandBids, it's at MSRP but hasn't hit reserve

[RabidRat]

Once you get that debt (mortgage) it's over. Everything goes into it. I'm glad I did car stuff first and still try to make car stuff work even with a mortgage. I was supposed to do 0 track days this year, yet I'm about to do my 3rd in August. I do however buy a lot of used tires and brake pads/rotors. Mostly because there's still a lot of usable life in them that most people don't expect.


It's depressing tho - having a mortgage. I just renewed. Went from a 25 year term less 3, back to a 30 year term. The fact that I'm gonna be paying this house off until I'm roughly 56 is depressing as hell. I'm 26 next month and I now know first hand what it's like to be house poor because I have zero savings. Some people spend what little savings they have on dating or vacations, the car / track life is the one thing that helps me keep going.

Of course the smart thing to do would be to sell my car and buy a shitbox. But the shitboxes cost 70% as much and quality of life is so much worse. The smart thing to do, like you say, is to save in my 20s. Props to the people doing or had done the financially responsible things cause it's hard to always choose responsibility over happiness.



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I think it's important to consider things holistically!

You're driving a CTR and I presume every day that puts a smile on your face. You have track days to look forward to and keeps you going as you say. Then you leverage this state of contentment and passion to get yourself a promotion at work, then another, then another. You marry the woman of your dreams (if you haven't already), who is equally content and driven in life as you, and contributes as much if not more than you to the finances, now together you burn down your mortgage at quadruple pace, you start making extra payments. You say fuck it, you buy another house, a bigger house. You're laughing: you're 40 and you're debt-free. Then you retire a couple years later with passive income and millions in savings.

Now compare this to some schmuck who gave up on life, drives his soulless gutless grey shitbox to his entry level desk job to grind out the rest of his days. He saves every last penny but all he makes is pennies and that doesn't add up to much. Life feels tasteless. Nobody wants to be around this sad dude, and that makes him more sad. His depression shows up at work: he only puts in as much effort as it takes not to get fired, doesn't hustle doesn't grow doesn't take any initiative, so now he's never up for promotion. Can't get ahead. Dies alone. Oh but, he paid off his mortgage by age 60 instead of 65. At least he had that going for him.

You're 26: your career is just getting started. Your mortgage stays the same, but your income doesn't, and neither does your marital status. It gets better :).

[Traum]

Now compare this to some schmuck who gave up on life, drives his soulless gutless grey shitbox to his entry level desk job to grind out the rest of his days. He saves every last penny but all he makes is pennies and that doesn't add up to much. Life feels tasteless. Nobody wants to be around this sad dude, and that makes him more sad. His depression shows up at work: he only puts in as much effort as it takes not to get fired, doesn't hustle doesn't grow doesn't take any initiative, so now he's never up for promotion. Can't get ahead. Dies alone. Oh but, he paid off his mortgage by age 60 instead of 65. At least he had that going for him.

Damn this sounds like me... esp the "driving a gutless gray shxtbox" part LOL~ :alonehappy:

[EvoFire]

Damn this sounds like me... esp the "driving a gutless gray shxtbox" part LOL~ :alonehappy:

Saw you grey box yesterday, it's not that shitty lol, lots of hp on the windshield and on the side :lol

[68style]

In the same vein as my post in the good buys thread about the corolla as most of you know I have a deposit on an Integra Type-S, I got called saying they had a grey one with red interior for me but it’s got $15,000 in extras so they want $70,000 plus tax for it.

I said no sorry I’ll pass I can get way better cars than an Integra for that kind of money… sales guy called back again and asked if I’d be interested at $5,000 in add ons instead of $15,000 he’d try to swing less add-ons and I said you know what I think I’m good I’m not a fanboy, I’ll wait until they’re msrp and he said he’d give me a call when they’re willing to do that.

[68style]

Also they sent me pics of the interior maybe it’s just me but the red interior is kinda fugly the shade of red looks too lipstick and having the front seats being half-half doesn’t match up well it’s like 2 separate interior packages thrown together to me

https://i.imgur.com/PDkm7i2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ImN6c9V.jpg

[RabidRat]

Yeah that looks kinda weird, doesn't look cohesive front to back. Odd design choice.

[Badhobz]

In the same vein as my post in the good buys thread about the corolla as most of you know I have a deposit on an Integra Type-S, I got called saying they had a grey one with red interior for me but it’s got $15,000 in extras so they want $70,000 plus tax for it.

I said no sorry I’ll pass I can get way better cars than an Integra for that kind of money… sales guy called back again and asked if I’d be interested at $5,000 in add ons instead of $15,000 he’d try to swing less add-ons and I said you know what I think I’m good I’m not a fanboy, I’ll wait until they’re msrp and he said he’d give me a call when they’re willing to do that.

id honestly go for the CTR. why pay 8k above the CTR for something thats built by hicks in USA instead of takumi craftsmen in Japan? :suspicious:

[Traum]

I seem to recall Doug from Hondata saying that the ITS has a smidge more hardware and ECU tuning potential than the CTR. It's interesting because I (and probably most people) were expecting the drivetrain-related components to be the same.

Of course, it still wouldn't be enough for me to pick the ITS over the CTR.

[Bender Unit]

In the same vein as my post in the good buys thread about the corolla as most of you know I have a deposit on an Integra Type-S, I got called saying they had a grey one with red interior for me but it’s got $15,000 in extras so they want $70,000 plus tax for it.

I said no sorry I’ll pass I can get way better cars than an Integra for that kind of money… sales guy called back again and asked if I’d be interested at $5,000 in add ons instead of $15,000 he’d try to swing less add-ons and I said you know what I think I’m good I’m not a fanboy, I’ll wait until they’re msrp and he said he’d give me a call when they’re willing to do that.

mind to share which dealership it is ?

[Badhobz]

mind to share which dealership it is ?

You don’t need another one you bastard !

[Gerbs]

You're 26: your career is just getting started. Your mortgage stays the same, but your income doesn't, and neither does your marital status. It gets better :).

I think the crazy part is that all the 25 - 35 peeps mortgages in the last 3 years are around $2 - 2.6K for a 1BR and 2.6 - 4k for a 2BR a month.

Can't imagine how your outcome will outpace that, but will report back in 10 years lol.

[RabidRat]

While we're way off topic: you have a Veloster N?! How do you like it? :D

[Gumby]

In the same vein as my post in the good buys thread about the corolla as most of you know I have a deposit on an Integra Type-S, I got called saying they had a grey one with red interior for me but it’s got $15,000 in extras so they want $70,000 plus tax for it.

I said no sorry I’ll pass I can get way better cars than an Integra for that kind of money… sales guy called back again and asked if I’d be interested at $5,000 in add ons instead of $15,000 he’d try to swing less add-ons and I said you know what I think I’m good I’m not a fanboy, I’ll wait until they’re msrp and he said he’d give me a call when they’re willing to do that.
Way to vote with your wallet! :thumbsup:

[dark0821]

While we're way off topic: you have a Veloster N?! How do you like it? :D

I dont own one, but driven enough Veloster, Elantra and Kona N to tell you... bang for buck for an "experience", there is no comparison, it is not the fastest/most tidy thing, but the most fun at the price point for keeping a car stock with a warranty? There is nth else (at least of what I've driven) that comes close....

[Gerbs]

While we're way off topic: you have a Veloster N?! How do you like it? :D

I was going to get a 2nd S2000 as a daily, ended up trying the Veloster N because I heard it was good. I'd say the fun per dollar is pretty close to a S2000 but more practical, reliable, warranty and low cost of ownership. Probably most fun to drive econ box / non full sports car you can buy for under $60-70K.

Edit: Exactly what Dark said.


I'm looking for a S2K replacement and it seems like there's nothing sub $100K that would do 2x the fun for 2x the price. Maybe a GT4/Spyder/GTS? Idk, gotta test drive.

[RabidRat]

Idk, gotta test drive.

I have to say that when it comes to Porsche, I really agree. More than anything else, it's so necessary to drive it to understand it. I've had the good fortune to have friends give me seat time in their Cayman GTS, 911 Carrera T, and 911 GT3. and each one of them has left me with a very distinct impression that doesn't capture into numbers.

To me - and especially with the 911s - what the spec sheets and even the reviews couldn't capture is the feeling of consistency and perfection, down to the details. Take for example, the action of the shift lever slotting into each gear position: it is precisely the same tactile response into every gear. By contrast, the S2000's mechanical action is right up there, but there isn't that deliberate sense of consistency. Then there's the steering, the throttle, the pedal, yes even the pedal experience is precisely tuned and concise and perfectly weighted, through its entire travel. Even the action of adjusting the HVAC vents. In every other car, they "just get it done". "Oh there's a dead spot". Oh there is a weird torque dip". "Oh there was a thunk this time but not last time, and only turning at 50 kph over a medium-sized cambered bump.": you never get that sense in a Porsche: they didn't "just get it done".

And you could get a lot of this by just sitting in one, but it seems until you combine all those feelings of consistency and responsiveness with driving time where you experience all the interactive perfection in combination with that same consistency and responsiveness from the chassis and the motor singing up the revs, solidly putting Gs into curves, it doesn't finally click that holy shit, this all adds up to so much more than it should.

Driving a Porsche encourages you to savor the details. Too often we're just trying to get 'er done. There is another dimension for us to live, and it's not about how quickly we got from there to here, but how, and how joyfully we did it.

[JDMDreams]

All that perfection and they can't get ims or figure out bore score :troll::troll::joy: but yea what are the gotchas on the newer ones? More than I can afford anyways vw beetle :lawl:

[RabidRat]

Experiential perfection as presented to the driver. I didn't say anything about how well they do things behind the scenes and how that affects the overall ownership experience.

And more than I can afford either :).

[Badhobz]

a lot of that "perfection" is due to some strong-ass personal biases and global circle jerking over Porsche products. i don't find them anything special, especially the newer ones that are extremely priced and pretty much have the same new car experience as pretty much anything else out there.

Take a 718 vs GR86 and a lot of reviews lean towards the GR's driving experience as the boxster is now too refined for its own good.

Same with any 911 past the 997.2... just overbloated GT cars until you hit the GT3RS/GT3's. I really really dont get the porsche tax, ive tried to like them but i just dont get it. The only porsches i like are the wack ass ones like the 964, and the 944 or just go aircooled and prepare to die if you ever lift mid corner.

[whitev70r]

While we're way off topic: you have a Veloster N?! How do you like it? :D

I just saw an ad for a Hyundai Elantra N ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYG_jKZ6HFg

[Gerbs]

Never expected a Hyundai to be that fun

[trollface]

I thought P cars only come to life with you really hammer on them, otherwise they are pretty comparable to stuff for much less money. It's when you take them to the edge is where they really shine, somewhere most ppl won't go to for obvs reasons.

Those bastards can hammer out of corners like you won't believe.

[JDMDreams]

I see some Elantra? Forte? With like some muffler delete and the pops sound not bad:notbad:

[roastpuff]

a lot of that "perfection" is due to some strong-ass personal biases and global circle jerking over Porsche products. i don't find them anything special, especially the newer ones that are extremely priced and pretty much have the same new car experience as pretty much anything else out there.

Take a 718 vs GR86 and a lot of reviews lean towards the GR's driving experience as the boxster is now too refined for its own good.

Same with any 911 past the 997.2... just overbloated GT cars until you hit the GT3RS/GT3's. I really really dont get the porsche tax, ive tried to like them but i just dont get it. The only porsches i like are the wack ass ones like the 964, and the 944 or just go aircooled and prepare to die if you ever lift mid corner.

I thought P cars only come to life with you really hammer on them, otherwise they are pretty comparable to stuff for much less money. It's when you take them to the edge is where they really shine, somewhere most ppl won't go to for obvs reasons.

Those bastards can hammer out of corners like you won't believe.

I haven't driven the gen 2 GR86 but comparing gen 1 vs a Cayman on track, the Cayman was so much more predictable and enjoyable at 8/10ths and up. The whole package of that Cayman made me feel like such a good driver and instilled so much confidence in me. The car kept on going "Trust me bro, we got this corner, we can go faster"

On the road, I agree that it's not THAT different than a lot of products in a similar price range. You'd have to be doing very illegal speeds to really get much out of a Porsche which is the problem.

[JDMDreams]

Hmm a Elantra n Mt is about $45000 after tax how the hell is the type s $80k :suspicious: :fulloffuck:

[68style]

Cuz the Elantra has trouble selling for $34,000 not even 1 year old (quoting a blue 2023 with 38,000kms that's been on FB marketplace for a month unsold at $34,000) and the Type-S will still be its purchased price a couple years later.

Oh, also the Elantra is incredibly ugly.

[radeonboy]

Cuz the Elantra has trouble selling for $34,000 not even 1 year old (quoting a blue 2023 with 38,000kms that's been on FB marketplace for a month unsold at $34,000) and the Type-S will still be its purchased price a couple years later.

Oh, also the Elantra is incredibly ugly.

The facelift corrects (some of) the ugliness. I think the Elantra is decent but its intended audience either went for the Veloster N, Civic Si, or Kona N

https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2023/04/Large-54537-HyundaiMotorAnnouncesNBrandsEntryIntoChinaWithNewE lantraNDesignRevealatAutoShanghai2023.jpg?w=976&h=549

[whitev70r]

Whatever happened to the Kia Stinger, i recall it getting some attention when they first came out with it. I think it had the sportback tailgate copycat of Audi A5/A7, that looked a lot better than this Elantra N ..

[68style]

The facelift corrects (some of) the ugliness. I think the Elantra is decent but its intended audience either went for the Veloster N, Civic Si, or Kona N

https://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/2023/04/Large-54537-HyundaiMotorAnnouncesNBrandsEntryIntoChinaWithNewE lantraNDesignRevealatAutoShanghai2023.jpg?w=976&h=549

That does look significantly better... altho I wish they kept the 2023 wheels instead of these Alfa Romeo wanna-be ones.

[roastpuff]

Whatever happened to the Kia Stinger, i recall it getting some attention when they first came out with it. I think it had the sportback tailgate copycat of Audi A5/A7, that looked a lot better than this Elantra N ..

Kia dealers fucked it over - they treated it like it was a GT3 RS, wouldn't give test drives without credit check, etc. I went to look at one and never even sat in one because the dealer experience was so shit.

[radeonboy]

I thought demand for the Stinger cooled down before it reached its facelift - I had no problems checking one out in 2021 and they were readily available at all dealers. Ultimately I couldn't rationalize its price tag relative to a new A5 or slightly used S4 /S5. Eventually, I picked up my EV from the same dealership and the F&I experience was a shitfest.

[JDMDreams]

I just watched the reviews, kona n is pretty interesting but it's more money, dct only, no sun roof no cool bucket seats like the Elantra and fwd only. Like a baby fwd golf r :troll:

I went on the site and Veloster doesn't exist anymore and the later versions I actually don't like, it didn't look as cool as the original one. The front end looks too generic.

[JDMDreams]

I think they got greedy, I was interested in the stinger when it first came out but it was like $60k after tax and I sure as hell ain't paying that much for a Korean car, same with the g90 I see them for $110k. If I was spending that much I won't buy Genesis. I still don't think they have the reliability or brand recognition and definitely not resell to ask for that much.

[jcmaz]

Cuz the Elantra has trouble selling for $34,000 not even 1 year old (quoting a blue 2023 with 38,000kms that's been on FB marketplace for a month unsold at $34,000) and the Type-S will still be its purchased price a couple years later.

Oh, also the Elantra is incredibly ugly.

The Korean cars (Hyundai and Kia) change their styling so drastically from each generation. Just look at the existing Santa Fe and compare it to the upcoming model.

[Traum]

The Korean cars (Hyundai and Kia) change their styling so drastically from each generation. Just look at the existing Santa Fe and compare it to the upcoming model.
You know, I never understood why they did that. (IMO) a part of the reason why Honda and Toyota were so successful with their cars is because they build familiarity and loyalty with each successful generation. Same thing with VW (Golf) and Porsche (911). But with Hyundai / Kia, I feel like they are making the consumer take a gamble each time because each generation of the car, or their product offering in a certain segment has no continuity with the previous generation(s).

If I don't even know what I am getting into, how can I have enough confidence to put big money down for it?

[RabidRat]

The whole package of that Cayman made me feel like such a good driver and instilled so much confidence in me. The car kept on going "Trust me bro, we got this corner, we can go faster"

Yeah so much this! I've had my s2k 15 years, and while I do ok at the track (typically high 1:40's at Laguna Seca), I still feel nervous at every turn: it is essentially an act of faith based on pure practiced muscle memory. It doesn't feel like I will make it but my mind overrides me that logically I know I will, plus margin on top.

But with each of those Porsches, by the time I'd had half an hour in each, I already felt so confident that I was feeling that same thing Roast is talking about: "bro we can go faster! trust me!" turn after turn. That planted, communicative feeling was so inspiring.

[Gerbs]

Whatever happened to the Kia Stinger, i recall it getting some attention when they first came out with it. I think it had the sportback tailgate copycat of Audi A5/A7, that looked a lot better than this Elantra N ..

I think the stinger was like a $51 - 64K out the door car. Nobody is spending that on a Kia. You buy the N's for driving experience, not so much look. There's nothing really anything in its price segment and I'm happy that it's there. Maybe a $30K Cayman would be better? But no warranty / probably costs more than $12 - 15K to run for 6 years.

[Matsuda]

Are local dealers selling at msrp? wonder what the wait time is on one

[Badhobz]

I think the stinger was like a $51 - 64K out the door car. Nobody is spending that on a Kia. You buy the N's for driving experience, not so much look. There's nothing really anything in its price segment and I'm happy that it's there. Maybe a $30K Cayman would be better? But no warranty / probably costs more than $12 - 15K to run for 6 years.

Well they doubled down on that bullshit and made the gensis. Who’s gonna spend 100k+ on a Korean Bentley ?

[68style]

^ Littledragon :troll:

[bcrdukes]

Well they doubled down on that bullshit and made the gensis. Who’s gonna spend 100k+ on a Korean Bentley ?

^ Littledragon :troll:

Brings back memories of last year's Stock & Noob meet when he was sitting in the parking lot and you called out his car lol

[Badhobz]

kinda like the Yaris incident this year

[radeonboy]

Are local dealers selling at msrp? wonder what the wait time is on one

A friend was offered a GR Corolla at MSRP subject to trade so I can't see these being far off.

[EvoFire]

A friend was offered a GR Corolla at MSRP subject to trade so I can't see these being far off.

Subject to trade is how they ding you though, they undervalue your trade by 5-10k so it's all a wash of having 10k surcharge.

[68style]

Yah me and my buddy both had deposits on the GR Corolla and we both refunded them at the same time... but only he got a call back the other day because he was listing a 2022 Subaru BRZ as a trade-in... that must have had them salivating something fierce lol

[radeonboy]

Subject to trade is how they ding you though, they undervalue your trade by 5-10k so it's all a wash of having 10k surcharge.

My friend never placed a deposit so he was surprised to be offered one this soon (he bought a Supra from them previously). It's half a step better than requiring a lowball trade with mandated accessories though.

[Gumby]

My friend never placed a deposit so he was surprised to be offered one this soon (he bought a Supra from them previously). It's half a step better than requiring a lowball trade with mandated accessories though.
Hmm if I had a J29 Supra with the I6, not sure I would want a GR Corolla...

[Matsuda]

I was thinking of trading in the golf R for a type S but if they are going to tack on “mandatory” addons and packages then I’d rather just keep my car.

[Traum]

I was thinking of trading in the golf R for a type S but if they are going to tack on “mandatory” addons and packages then I’d rather just keep my car.
If you are thinking of trading in your Golf R, you should sell it to Trollface for $10k instead! EleGiggle

[Gerbs]

Are local dealers selling at msrp? wonder what the wait time is on one

Was marked up $1 - 5K for a bit. The US has the best mark-up the VN went for $34 - 40K USD which is close to $50K CAD, we can't import it down south though.

But the 2022 VN qualifies for the 15 year ICBC collector's plate, there's < 1,500 worldwide production for 2022 MY according to Hyundai.

Well they doubled down on that bullshit and made the gensis. Who’s gonna spend 100k+ on a Korean Bentley ?

The KDM genesis + Stinger are 10x nicer, I'd buy it if it was the same interior as the leather you get over there. They're also priced 20-30% less in Korea which is cool. The Kia Carnival taxis are nicer than a Toyota Alphard too.

[Matsuda]

Oh I was talking f about markup on type S

[Badhobz]

https://i.postimg.cc/1Rk5YGQz/IMG-7559.jpg

I went to A&W this morning and saw this type S. in person it’s not “different” vs the standard integra. Quite stealth. The extra large wheel hunches aren’t that noticeable.

I’m wondering if this is trollface’s new ride since he frequents the seafair area.

[tofu1413]

only if its got Michelin 4S'es on it, or else lord trollface is no bueno

[trollface]

I have a deposit in on something.

Whatever that means these days.

[JDMDreams]

Maybe he realized type r > golf r du ma vtec :awwyeah:

[trollface]

Corolla Apex Edition.

[68style]

I went to A&W this morning and saw this type S. in person it’s not “different” vs the standard integra. Quite stealth. The extra large wheel hunches aren’t that noticeable.

I’m wondering if this is trollface’s new ride since he frequents the seafair area.

Sittin at A&W on a Friday morning staring at bulges... what a life

[pherio]

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/rkyzMX6k/2024-acura-integra-type-s

Flipper on CarsandBids, it's at MSRP but hasn't hit reserve


Flip failed
https://jalopnik.com/that-acura-integra-type-s-flip-failed-1850797399

[radeonboy]

Another dealer listing Type S for MSRP, not sure if trade or finance is required.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1365632134032571

[pherio]

Another dealer listing Type S for MSRP, not sure if trade or finance is required.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1365632134032571

Harmony Acura's website says "sales pending", maybe they're hoping for a bidding war.

https://www.harmonyacura.com/inventory/2024-acura-integra-fwd-hatchback-19ude5g97ra800243/

[trollface]

I'm seeing more and more of these "hard to getr" cars selling for MSRP now.

[jaaagman]

I'm seeing more and more of these "hard to getr" cars selling for MSRP now.

I am seeing more ads for Prius', though most are "used" with nearly no miles on them asking for 10k above sticker. I wonder if some dealers are holding out and still artificially restricting supply in order to cash in before the gravy train eventually stops. Seems like the supply issues were improving in the US well before Canada.

I heard that OpenRoad Toyota still required trade-in + financing, as well as a $299 addon (though that's really peanuts in the grand scheme of things).

A few months back, OpenRoad Mazda was charging quite a lot for their "OpenRoad detail package" and $1000+ for a dash cam. I doubt that OpenRoad is the worst, but this sort of thing is such a turn-off, and I probably won't be purchasing from them in the future. One thing that Tesla really does well is their direct to consumers sales model.

[Traum]

I've been seeing more reasonable Boxster & Cayman deals out there too, though I am sure it is partially caused by the annual selling of sports cars and convertibles in the fall.
A few months back, OpenRoad Mazda was charging quite a lot for their "OpenRoad detail package" and $1000+ for a dash cam. I doubt that OpenRoad is the worst, but this sort of thing is such a turn-off, and I probably won't be purchasing from them in the future. One thing that Tesla really does well is their direct to consumers sales model.
I have no sympathy for the traditional manufacturers when it comes to this sort of activity, but at the same time, I can't say it is entirely their fault either. Their business model of selling is still largely a relic of the bygone era when they had no choice but to rely on the local business corps to become their licensed dealerships and distribution network. Even if they want to revamp the entire sales model, I'm not even sure how it can be done. And by and large, I don't really see any desire from them to do it either.

With that in mind, I am actually pretty impressed that Volvo had the guts to adopt the Polestar sales model, and for that alone, I hope they are successful in influencing how cars are sold in the future.

[dark0821]

^it's the same as microtransactions in games, dealers will continue as long as there are buyers willing to vote with their wallet.

To be honest, it happens in all industries, Automotive is actually way more transparent because
- there are MSRP on official Canadian website
- the fees are listed and spelt out on the worksheet
- there are multiple dealers selling the exact same product competing for business

Signage and Graphics industry have none of that, you don't know how much a "no parking" sign should cost, you don't even know if every supplier is using the same material, same ink, same technique, same treatment.... a 2023 Ioniq 5 is an Ioniq 5 regardless of which Hyundai or even non-Hyundai dealer is selling the car...

[JDMDreams]

Yea tied selling is illegal as shit but I don't know how it's still allowed. Vote with your wallet. That's like mcd only selling you the burger if you buy the full meal:pokerface:

[OriginalJC]

Dropped off my RDX for service today and Langley Acura, and saw they have a Tigers Eye Pearl ITS and a Apex Blue one with the copper wheels. Both colors look nice

[68style]

Funny the salesguy at Burrard said you couldn't get the bronze wheels in Canada

[pherio]

Funny the salesguy at Burrard said you couldn't get the bronze wheels in Canada

It's a $2700 option according to acura.ca

[Matsuda]

sorry bumping an old thread, has anyone looked into purchasing one lately? I'm wondering if dealerships are still marking it up. Wondering how its selling in Canada

[Badhobz]

Seems like not such a good idea considering it’s
1) uglier
2) 10k more than CTR
3) built in chuckle factory of the USA

I don’t even think it adds that much sound deafening materials over the base CTR.

No wanty

[JDMDreams]

Not at these interest rates, I would wait another 6 months year and let them depreciate more

[bcrdukes]

Funny, the last post before Matsuda replied was back in September of 2023. I've only seen one Integra on the road since. :peek:

[OriginalJC]

sorry bumping an old thread, has anyone looked into purchasing one lately? I'm wondering if dealerships are still marking it up. Wondering how its selling in Canada

I have a pre-purchase for one that I did in Sept/Oct.
ETA is April timeframe.

MSRP, with mandatory accessories (all weather mats, trunk tray, black lugs).

I'm also still on the list for the FL5, with a "confirmed" allocation. MY25 is the ETA for that.

[68style]

I called in to pull my deposit awhile back and guy was still talking like if they got me one it would probably still have a protection package and PPF on it. Peaz out foooools, it's not god's chariot.

[OriginalJC]

Langley Acura told me initially they had a lot of restrictions in place, e.g mandatory options/accessories, trade-in etc. And then people started pulling their deposits, so they decided to remove all of those additional things. I told them I would have no trade-in, wouldn't finance. GM wasn't happy about that, but didn't matter in the end

[RabidRat]

Funny, the last post before Matsuda replied was back in September of 2023. I've only seen one Integra on the road since. :peek:

I see one every other day, and a neighbor down the street has one. But I haven't seen a Type-S yet :(

[EvoFire]

Seen a few Type-S I can't stand the tacked on fender on the rear. On the FK8 because it's so out of this world it was actually acceptable, the ITS looks like a autozone stick on.