[TypeRNammer]

https://www-roadandtrack-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.roadandtrack.com/news/amp37298027/acura-is-bringing-back-the-integra-in-2022/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16288594080945&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.roadandtrack.com%2Fnews %2Fa37298027%2Facura-is-bringing-back-the-integra-in-2022%2F

It will go into production some time in 2022.

Hopefully it doesn't end up like the TLX Type S where it was overhyped and under delivered.

[JDMDreams]

I saw the teaser pic and not sure if real, considering the civic looks like ass and there's no Honda Integra to base this off of I don't have high hopes.

On the other hand the new countach doe:tears:

[GLOW]

rear bumper sort of reminds me of a last gen prelude the way it portrudes

[donjalapeno]

I saw the teaser pic and not sure if real, considering the civic looks like ass and there's no Honda Integra to base this off of I don't have high hopes.

On the other hand the new countach doe:tears:

New countach is cool but I feel Lamborghini is milking that aventador chassis. They should of developed something new and excited for the countach.

[danned]

get a new integra girl too

[white rocket]

New Integra = FK8 without cooling issues EleGiggle

[tegra7]

New Integra = FK8 without cooling issues EleGiggle

This would be perfect for the fk8
https://youtube.com/shorts/L68cAT7rRKI?feature=share

[supafamous]

Wait till Acura lives up once again to overpromising by having the base trim be the NA 2.0L in the Civic and the "performance" trim is the Si's 205hp 1.5T. The only diff with the Civic will be a LSD.

I only partly kid. Even with the newer models coming out they are still an unserious performance or luxury brand - a class bottom turbo V6, no performance trims for the RDX, the sad sack ILX, the barely a Type S NSX.

With all the money they're spending on "bespoke" chassis' for the RDX, TLX, and MDX (and NSX) you'd think they'd be better off just doing one flexible platform for the RDX, TLX, ILX etc.

[JDMDreams]

^^ even old man Lexus has F, even though it's not really a competitor to AMG and M. But still would buy because Lexus and won't fall apart.

[ssjGoku69]

There's this one person's render now that the teaser was released. The car would be pretty heavy compared to 1990's safety standards

https://i.imgur.com/e0IgcuV.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/dartsoccer8/Ellie035.jpg

[mr00jimbo]

I don't know what the market would be for a sport compact coupe like the Integra. The only coupes that seem to sell now are the big 3 muscle cars. This, I don't know...

[Teriyaki]

I don't know what the market would be for a sport compact coupe like the Integra. The only coupes that seem to sell now are the big 3 muscle cars. This, I don't know...

Doesn't the FRS/BRZ sell decently well?
With the new coupe from Nissan coming back as well, I'm excited to see a resurgence from the automakers in this area. I hope they all do well before everything becomes a generic Tesla look-alike.

[JDMDreams]

^^ and not made by BMW:troll::lawl:

[supafamous]

Doesn't the FRS/BRZ sell decently well?
With the new coupe from Nissan coming back as well, I'm excited to see a resurgence from the automakers in this area. I hope they all do well before everything becomes a generic Tesla look-alike.

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-model/

The BRZ/86 sells like shit, YTD the 86 has sold just over 1,000 units in the US and the BRZ is around there too. Mazda has sold 7,800 Miatas in that same time. The Veloster sold 674 units in Q2 as well. 750 Z's sold in Q2. During that time, Honda and Toyota have sold about a quarter million CR-Vs and RAV4s.

Basically the sport coupe market is COMPLETELY DEAD. If Acura thinks they can roll out an Integra coupe and make money on then the entire management team should be fired. At best they'll sell 5,000 in year one.

If there's any hope that this is a successful car outside of enthusiasts it better be a sedan or Sportback - something that can replace the ILX with a Type S that is the cousin to the CTR.

[jcmaz]

Not the best idea to use 2021 YTD figures when the 2022 86/BRZ was announced in 2020 November. Anyone seriously considering the Boxer twins would probably wait until the 2.4L reviews and driving impressions come out before making a decision.

Plus, there aren't much incentives to buy the older 86/BRZ anyway. I recall the new car programs and rates were pretty much done in the spring. It doesn't make much sense to buy a last generation model car with used car rates so it is probably why sales were so poor.

[!Aznboi128]

Looking at overall sales of the 86 isn't great neither. They were pretty strong at the start but taped off when the car got older.

[supafamous]

Not the best idea to use 2021 YTD figures when the 2022 86/BRZ was announced in 2020 November. Anyone seriously considering the Boxer twins would probably wait until the 2.4L reviews and driving impressions come out before making a decision.

Plus, there aren't much incentives to buy the older 86/BRZ anyway. I recall the new car programs and rates were pretty much done in the spring. It doesn't make much sense to buy a last generation model car with used car rates so it is probably why sales were so poor.

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/subaru-brz-sales-figures/

BRZ sales peaked at 8K units or so in its second year - not terrible but also not a surefire sales hit that was worthy of a 2nd gen.

The Veloster's sales trend has also match the BRZ's - peaked in 2012 and been downhill (really bad) ever since: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/hyundai-veloster-sales-figures/

Coupes just aren't popular anymore - I had trouble finding sales data of coupes partly cause they're so few of them now. The whole small car market is shit - GM/Ford are out, the Japanese has killed all their coupes, VW killed the Golf... - it's all small SUVs now.

People are buying fucking Nissan Kicks (58K units in 2020) and Hyundai Venues (19k units in 2020) instead. It's Sir Mix-A-Lot's world when it comes to cars now - people want their cars to have some back so they can put some junk in the trunk. No one is buying that LA Face no more, they just want that Oakland booty.

[JDMDreams]

As a x2 Integra owner I'd have to say unless it has really hot specs at a reasonable price I don't think it will sell like hot cakes. As in top specs for under $40k. As I think even the veloster n is like $45k? And you never see one, I think I've only seen like 2 or 3. I think the people who can afford this new will buy something else. A45, golf r, type r. Sti.

[Alpine]

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/subaru-brz-sales-figures/

BRZ sales peaked at 8K units or so in its second year - not terrible but also not a surefire sales hit that was worthy of a 2nd gen.

The Veloster's sales trend has also match the BRZ's - peaked in 2012 and been downhill (really bad) ever since: https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/hyundai-veloster-sales-figures/

Coupes just aren't popular anymore - I had trouble finding sales data of coupes partly cause they're so few of them now. The whole small car market is shit - GM/Ford are out, the Japanese has killed all their coupes, VW killed the Golf... - it's all small SUVs now.

People are buying fucking Nissan Kicks (58K units in 2020) and Hyundai Venues (19k units in 2020) instead. It's Sir Mix-A-Lot's world when it comes to cars now - people want their cars to have some back so they can put some junk in the trunk. No one is buying that LA Face no more, they just want that Oakland booty.

I think the Japanese manufacturers need to collaborate more. Building a modern 2 door platform is far too expensive and doesn't make bean counter sense because the coupe market is far too small. I would love to see all the Japanese manufacturers share a 2 door platform that they can heavily customize like the miata / 124. body, engine + gearbox, suspension tuning, & parts of the interior is where the manufacturers can differentiate. It's almost the only way to "save" the couple market, if it can even be "saved."

[toyota86]

Honda bringing back the Integra nameplate feels like a desperate attempt. Nostalgia sells I suppose. The problem is, almost always, new ones rarely ever have any resemblance to what made the old ones so great. I don't know what the new car will be, but I can guess what it won't be. It won't be light weight, small, manual, high revving NA 4 cyl engine, 2 door lift back, double wishbone all around, conservatively styled.

[TouringTeg]

I figured it was coming. In the last few years Acura started using the Integra Type R more in their marketing including the interactive game. Acura reached out to me through Instagram more than once to use ITR pictures I had posted.

I'm excited to see what the new one is like.

[Koflach]

I was very excited when they announced the new version of the CR-X, the CR-Z. What we ended up getting was more like a prius than a CR-X. My first 2 cars were and '88 and a '91 CR-X so it was a real gut punch for me when it eventually came out. Hopefully they don't fuck up the Integra like they did the CR-Z.

[Traum]

Giving the anticipated release dates, the new Integra is almost certainly going to be based off the 11th gen (2022) Civic. As good as the 10th gen Civic is (where the 11th gen is based off on), the Civic is not a small car. Even the discontinued coupe is not small.

IMO, one of the best things with the 3rd gen Integra is its compact size, and we all know that cars are no longer that small. Still, I'd be a little disappointed if the new (5th gen?) Integra is as large as the 10th gen Civic coupe.

If the base car came with a stick shift + K20C2, I would actually say that is a very nice combo! I like the F20C2 a lot better than the turbo L15 -- it has far more of that old school Honda feel, and it seems to be the more reliable engine as well.

I wonder if it'll have any sort of electrification added to the car. Personally, I expect it, and I think it would be best if it can come in the form of a rear electric motor powering the rear wheels. That would really make it interesting and practical.
Wait till Acura lives up once again to overpromising by having the base trim be the NA 2.0L in the Civic and the "performance" trim is the Si's 205hp 1.5T. The only diff with the Civic will be a LSD.

[TouringTeg]

I read that the next generation Civic Type R will be the final non hybrid or electric vehicle from Honda. Remains to be seen if this Integra will be hybrid. The sound in the video sure sounds like an NA, gasoline powered car.

[tofu1413]

Honda/ Acura needs to K.I.S.S - KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID

us blokes just wants a sporty, dependable, simple and semi practical sports coupe/ hatch in a FWD lay out....... a FWD coupe that can rotates and shake its ass like the original.

Its not that hard.

I don't care if its a parts bin special, just give me my damn integra back.

[teggy604]

Honda/ Acura needs to K.I.S.S - KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID

us blokes just wants a sporty, dependable, simple and semi practical sports coupe/ hatch in a FWD lay out....... a FWD coupe that can rotates and shake its ass like the original.

Its not that hard.

I don't care if its a parts bin special, just give me my damn integra back.

Not going to happen in today's time. Ppl want convenience and all this tech. I watched the TLX Type S reviews and good god that thing weighs over 4000 lbs.
Throttle house guys tried to rotate that thing every way possible but couldn't get the back to even drift a little lol.
The new integra is for all the gen z and gen alpha kids.

[!Aznboi128]

HondaProJason confirmed the Integra will be based on the 11th gen Civic

[tegra7]

HondaProJason confirmed the Integra will be based on the 11th gen Civic

Sauce?

[Spectre_Cdn]

The Integra will use the Honda Civic platform. And there could be some Honda Type R bones in there, but don't expect the full Type R treatment initially. Once Acura gets the car out next year, Ikeda says he knows people will be asking for a higher performance version. And Acura is pushing Type S across the lineup, building equity in the sub-brand. "I am aware people will want an Integra Type S," Ikeda says.

Source: https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-acura-integra-details-interview/

[keifun]

so pretty much a new version of the RSX Type S :suspicious:

[JDMDreams]

So it's not a tight carFeelsBadMan

[Alpine]

I hope they take another look at how well the TLX Type-S was received before expanding the range... otherwise get ready for even more disappointment

[white rocket]

Type S...................meh. Sounds like Acura corporate is more of a "GSR kinda guy".

[Alpine]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LkAR3jZkENQ/YSZ7P06uDdI/AAAAAAABE_4/3ZTuJV2DEi4wPE5WFbPq9WXy5Hw_d4hKgCNcBGAsYHQ/burlappcar-acura-integra.jpg

Can't tell if this is real/fake but it's making the rounds. Matches the profile of the drone presentation and the headlights look generally acura-ish.

[Traum]

That looks nothing like any version of the Integra. FailFish If anything, it looks more like some generations of the Prelude.

[EvoFire]

That looks so plain.

I guess the non-S RSX wasn't amazing either.
I rather have the ILX based on looks though.

[roastpuff]

That shape is so awkward

[JDMDreams]

That looks so ugly like a shoe

[Spectre_Cdn]

That looks like a sad photoshop of a TLX front end on a Fiat coupe from the 2000’s.
1. Those wheels look like some aftermarket winter wheel, surely Honda has some oversized 18” Civic wheels to slap on.
2. The rear brake rotors look skewed on the bottom half
3. The wheel to fender is too small for a modern car
4. Those are some honking big mirrors for a “compact”

It looks like something a Chinese automaker would come out with ten years ago.

[CorneringArtist]

It looks like someone did a really shit job trying to modernize a BB6 Prelude.

[tofu1413]

that quarter panel area is huge. can probably land a plane on it.

[twitchyzero]

bug eye integra from the front and front third aside the toothpick A pillars ain’t winning any beauty contests either

Skeptical of that shot given mirror size

[mikemhg]

Kind of looks like an RX8 from the side. Ugly.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/raV5eUYNlK8/maxresdefault.jpg

[Koflach]

That looks nothing like any version of the Integra. FailFish If anything, it looks more like some generations of the Prelude.

That's exactly what I was thinking, mid 90's prelude. https://www.newcartestdrive.com/wp-content/uploads/1999/11/96prelude1.jpg

[Alpine]

https://tflcar.com/2021/09/acura-integra-mule-spied-photo/

More speculative fun :)

[JDMDreams]

But too many doors

[Teriyaki]

4 Door Integra was a thing. :alonehappy:

[!Aznboi128]

I said it before the Integra will come back as a 4 door may be a hatch and maybe a "Gran Coupe" but not a regular Coupe. Doesn't make sense for a coupe anymore.

[Teriyaki]

I said it before the Integra will come back as a 4 door may be a hatch and maybe a "Gran Coupe" but not a regular Coupe. Doesn't make sense for a coupe anymore.

Makes sense. Though not sure if they can adapt the Civic platform for a 2-door coupe, I'm sure they could, its just if there is enough of a market for it.

So, chances are we're back to re-badged Honda's as Civics like the good ol EL series.

[supafamous]

I said it before the Integra will come back as a 4 door may be a hatch and maybe a "Gran Coupe" but not a regular Coupe. Doesn't make sense for a coupe anymore.

Yeah, it just seems to make WAY too much sense - a Sportback Civic with the Si drivetrain to open and the 2.0T (272hp) in SH-AWD trim as the Type S. The original Integra did come in a 5 door hatch so it's easy to spin it as staying true to its heritage.

Figure the Type S to come in at about 183 inches with a curb weight of 3300lbs (the Civic touring sedan is about 2900lbs) and you've got something reasonably exciting.

[twitchyzero]

are gran coupes popular outside of vancouver, model Y's aside?

[Spectre_Cdn]

The Integra was always a four-door sedan or coupe with a "hatch".

If they wanted to make a true two-door FF coupe (that no one wants), it wouldn't be difficult since the 11th-gen Civic is still using the 10th-gen platform, which had the short-lived coupe.

[Traum]

3300 lbs would be a porker! I think the 10th gen Civic hatch (FK7) is only around 3000 lbs, while FK8 only around 3100-ish lbs. If the revived Integra gains that much weight over the Civics, they are gonna be a major disappointment.

IMO, even the FK7 is too big for an Integra (and it is also too big for a Civic, but I digress...). If that camouflaged monstrosity is really an Integra test mule, I am gonna be so sad... :okay:
Yeah, it just seems to make WAY too much sense - a Sportback Civic with the Si drivetrain to open and the 2.0T (272hp) in SH-AWD trim as the Type S. The original Integra did come in a 5 door hatch so it's easy to spin it as staying true to its heritage.

Figure the Type S to come in at about 183 inches with a curb weight of 3300lbs (the Civic touring sedan is about 2900lbs) and you've got something reasonably exciting.

[supafamous]

3300 lbs would be a porker! I think the 10th gen Civic hatch (FK7) is only around 3000 lbs, while FK8 only around 3100-ish lbs. If the revived Integra gains that much weight over the Civics, they are gonna be a major disappointment.

IMO, even the FK7 is too big for an Integra (and it is also too big for a Civic, but I digress...). If that camouflaged monstrosity is really an Integra test mule, I am gonna be so sad... :okay:

CTR is 3100lbs according to Honda and SH-AWD adds 210lbs on the TLX so that's 3300lbs there. Add in some sound deadening and luxury features and we're at 3400lbs. An Audi S3 is 3440lbs and an AMG CLA35 is 3500lbs so that sounds about right.

This probably means though that Acura needs to use the CTR 2.0T instead of the TLX 2.0T to be competitive with the S3/CLA35 or it's going to be another sad trombone like the TLX Type-S.

Size wise I'm not sure shrinking it down from a CTR (180in) down to something more "Integra-like" would even save that much weight - maybe you save 100lbs but you end up making it too small to generate enough sales.

[Traum]

Supafamous, I see where your math is coming from, and 3300+ lbs would really, really be a sad thing to see. Ugh... FailFish

Sad to see all the modern cars being such porkers...

[supafamous]

Supafamous, I see where your math is coming from, and 3300+ lbs would really, really be a sad thing to see. Ugh... FailFish

Sad to see all the modern cars being such porkers...

To be fair though, the 1G TSX tipped the scales at around 3200lbs and I'd say there's good odds that the new Integra is similar in size so adding SH-AWD, more luxuries, 70-100hp etc and gaining 200lbs isn't bad. I bet the base trim with the 1.5T/FWD actually weighs in under 3200lbs and will be a much better car than the 1G TSX. Of course what the enthusiasts want is a new Integra and not a new TSX but I don't think that car is going to sell enough.

FWIW, the RSX tipped the scales at around 2800-2900lbs, the most recent Civic coupe was around the same and if Acura goes down to that size they would probably be around 3200lbs with SH-AWD.

[twitchyzero]

too hard to get it below 3100 these days without sacrificing space/size

wishing renault nissan brings back the Silvia using the A110 chassis :sweetjesus:

https://hips.hearstapps.com/roa.h-cdn.co/assets/17/09/1600x1067/gallery-1488287069-alpine-05.jpg

[bcrdukes]

In an attempt not to derail the thread topic, I'd be curious to see if privateer teams would even adopt the current TLX-S or the proposed Integra as part of the IMSA race series. Historic teams such as Team Penske have done well with Acura but seemed to have only adopted the NSX for the current race program.

[TypeRNammer]

Meanwhile in China, The Integra is a Chinese spec version of the Honda Civic

https://www-carscoops-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.carscoops.com/2021/09/theres-a-new-2022-honda-integra-already-but-its-just-a-tweaked-civic-for-china/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16312200010420&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carscoops.com%2F2021%2F 09%2Ftheres-a-new-2022-honda-integra-already-but-its-just-a-tweaked-civic-for-china%2F

[supafamous]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a37418355/2022-honda-civic-vs-2021-hyundai-elantra-mazda-3-nissan-sentra-toyota-corolla-volkswagen-jetta-compared/

If the new Integra is based on the 11G Civic I think it'll be a nice car. The Civic Touring just gave a beat down to the compact sedan market in this C/D comparo. I hope the Si version is is a modern day TSX.

I'm not in the market but the new Civic sure seems like a really, really nice little car - sharp styling, nice interior, solid performance, lots of room, handles well. The hatch is probably a better answer than the GTI now for the question of "If you could only have one car to do everything".

[JDMDreams]

^^ man but the civic design has been so ugly for years. Even the Corolla looks better

[supafamous]

^^ man but the civic design has been so ugly for years. Even the Corolla looks better

8G to 10G Civics weren't exactly pretty cars - if the 10G weren't so ugly I might happen to own one right now - but the 11G looks sharp to me. Conservative yes but the lines are crisp and some of the colours look great on it (morning mist in particular). I imagine the Si and Type R will be appropriately more sporty looking.

OTOH, the current Corolla seems like a drag queen with too much make up on IMO.

[68style]

I'll reserve actual judgement for real life... and I'm usually a sucker for grey-blues or light blues... but morning mist look straight up granny spec to me online hahaha

https://www.civic11forum.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=192 0,fit=scale-down/https://www.civic11forum.com/attachments/2022-civic-morning-mist-blue-exterior-paint-jpg.1211/

[JDMDreams]

It kinda looks like that baby blue that was available on 95 accords

[AstulzerRZD]

I'll reserve actual judgement for real life... and I'm usually a sucker for grey-blues or light blues... but morning mist look straight up granny spec to me online hahaha

https://www.civic11forum.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=192 0,fit=scale-down/https://www.civic11forum.com/attachments/2022-civic-morning-mist-blue-exterior-paint-jpg.1211/

tbh that front grille in some colors looks like cleft lip to me

[supafamous]

tbh that front grille in some colors looks like cleft lip to me

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2022-honda-civic-touring-urbano-104-1632332750.jpg

I think the rear 3/4 view is the best look for both the styling and colour. The front does have a bit of a cleft lip going on but way better than the 10G with the chrome version.

The wheel gap is small for OEM - I'm not sure I would bother lowering it. Guess I'd have to see what kind of wheels I'd fit on it but I think the wheels look fine as well.

[Hakkaboy]

It kinda looks like that baby blue that was available on 95 accords

My grand auntie (Aged 70+ at the time), owned an 94/95 Accord EX-R in that blue mist colour back in the day, so yes, 100% agreed it's granny spec lol

[Traum]

According to Autotrader.ca, the 2022 Civic hatch with the 2.0L NA engine (as LX trim) is gonna be sold for $28k. The Sport trim with the 1.5T engine will ask for $31.5k, and then there is the top Sport Touring trim at $35k:

https://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatures/20210920/2022-honda-civic-hatchback-priced-at-28-000-on-sale-october-1/

First of all, those prices really seem rather pricey, even when I'm taking its level of standard equipment into account. Extrapolating those prices to the Integra, it is only going to mean the Integra will cost even more. Ugh...

[TypeRNammer]

^^ man but the civic design has been so ugly for years. Even the Corolla looks better

Can't say the same about the interior of the Corolla. The new Civic is miles ahead in terms of interior.

As for the exterior, it is subjective.

[Traum]

If we're talking interior, the top of class award would really go to the Mazda3. Unfortunately, people just don't like Mazdas nearly as much, even when their offerings are super solid, and their used prices tend to be more reasonable. The solid rear axle on the current gen Mazda3 takes a bit of fun and handling away from the equation, and the car really doesn't drive as well as the Civic now, but it is still a huge value if you ask me.

[JDMDreams]

I dunno about now but I thought Mazda moved really up market with their prices, the 2.5t is like $40k? I remember last gen Mazda 3 you can get a pretty loaded one for like $28k

[Traum]

The cheapest Mazda3 with the 2.5T engine comes in at $35k, and is AWD as well. So you are basically correct that the OTD price is gonna be ~$40k, but since we are talking about the MSRP only for the 2022 Civic, we'd have to stick to using the $35k number for the Civic as well.

[supafamous]

According to Autotrader.ca, the 2022 Civic hatch with the 2.0L NA engine (as LX trim) is gonna be sold for $28k. The Sport trim with the 1.5T engine will ask for $31.5k, and then there is the top Sport Touring trim at $35k:

https://www.autotrader.ca/newsfeatures/20210920/2022-honda-civic-hatchback-priced-at-28-000-on-sale-october-1/

First of all, those prices really seem rather pricey, even when I'm taking its level of standard equipment into account. Extrapolating those prices to the Integra, it is only going to mean the Integra will cost even more. Ugh...

In comparison the 2022 GTI starts at 31.5k and goes to 39k - I figure the Integra is going to have pricing similar to the GTI depending on the spec.

But yeah, the Civic hatch sure gets expensive at the top end.

[EvoFire]

The transformers last gen was already 32k for the top touring trim. I didn't think they were going to make it any cheaper.

[!Aznboi128]

The Civic Hatch pricing is crazy, $35k for the Sport Touring vs $30,265 on the sedan. ($4,375 difference)

But this tells me the Integra should start around $32k. A bit more than the ILX with the top trim probably an A-spec around $45k. Acura has enough money to make the Integra pretty nice but it will have the hard points of the current civic.

[StylinRed]

Ooo missed this story

Maybe we'll see the return of the celica too

[bcrdukes]

Ooo missed this story

Maybe we'll see the return of the celica too

As much as I would like to see that happen, I highly doubt they will do that as not to cannibalize the sales of the FR-S/GT86 which already don't sell as well as say a Corolla or Camry. The MR2 would be an even more distant dream.

[twitchyzero]

already exists
the 4cyl supra from magna steyr

[supafamous]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37778181/2023-acura-integra-teaser/

Acura confirms that the Integra is gonna be a 5 door hatch - Sportback style.

[Traum]

If you are too lazy to click think link, here is the official illustration / photo from Acura:

https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/prod.mm.com/img/featurenews/New_Acura_Integra_Teaser_No.jpeg

At least that rear end looks nicer than the Civic hatch's...

[68style]

Booooooooo 5 door hatch is fine………… if it’s made in conjunction with the 3 door

[supafamous]

With this announcement I'd put my money on the base trim being basically the sister car to the Civic Si (205hp 1.5T, FWD, Manual/DCT) while the Type S will either be the K20C4 at 272hp or the K20C1 at 306hp with SH-AWD.

[!Aznboi128]

I said it before the Integra will come back as a 4 door may be a hatch and maybe a "Gran Coupe" but not a regular Coupe. Doesn't make sense for a coupe anymore.
Called it.

With this announcement I'd put my money on the base trim being basically the sister car to the Civic Si (205hp 1.5T, FWD, Manual/DCT) while the Type S will either be the K20C4 at 272hp or the K20C1 at 306hp with SH-AWD.

Would not be the C1, it would dilute the brand.

[EvoFire]

If you are too lazy to click think link, here is the official illustration / photo from Acura:

https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/prod.mm.com/img/featurenews/New_Acura_Integra_Teaser_No.jpeg

At least that rear end looks nicer than the Civic hatch's...

https://cars.usnews.com/pics/size/776x517/images/Auto/izmo/i815941/2016_hyundai_genesis_coupe_angularrear.jpg

That render looks an awful lot like a 10 year old car.

[JDMDreams]

So they are trying to make a short cls:pokerface: I hope they don't fuck up and end up looking like the 2 series or cla. A short chubby midget 4 door coupe:lawl:

[supafamous]

So they are trying to make a short cls:pokerface: I hope they don't fuck up and end up looking like the 2 series or cla. A short chubby midget 4 door coupe:lawl:

2022 Civic sedan is 184 inches long, A5 Sportback is 187 inches so figure the Integra to have a similar silhouette to the Sportback. I can't see the Integra being smaller than the Civic's dimensions especially with today's preview image. Figure a slightly lower and longer roofline compared to the Civic sedan with all the same hard points otherwise.

Original 5 door Integra was 172 inches so growing a foot in 35 years is pretty par for the course unless you're a Miata. The 3 door was 169 inches so it's not really THAT much bigger once you adjust for era. Even a 911 is 10 inches longer than its mid-80s version.

[headhunt3r]

Somebody on reddit photoshoped the tease on top of the camo car:
https://i.imgur.com/jb7o4kG.jpeg

[twitchyzero]

took them 15 years to come up with that?

:facepalm:

[68style]

I was gonna say the same... but then I thought about what I've done in the last 15 years... :okay:

[Alpine]

https://cars.usnews.com/pics/size/776x517/images/Auto/izmo/i815941/2016_hyundai_genesis_coupe_angularrear.jpg

That render looks an awful lot like a 10 year old car.

Thanks! I can’t unsee this now, especially since I regularly see genesis coupes in my area…

[EvoFire]

Thanks! I can’t unsee this now, especially since I regularly see genesis coupes in my area…

My dad drives a white one. I'm staying with my parents right now while my house is renovating. I park beside my dad and I see it everyday.

[JDMDreams]

I wonder if it will have tlx profile, as I walked by a tlx today and the side profile is still awkward. Short fat and stubby ass but a real long hood, I remember seeing how it looked like a shoe, there was over a feet of over hang on the bumper in front of the front wheels. :suspicious:

https://claveyscorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/2021-Acura-TLX-Side-Profile-999x667.jpg

[snowball]

Really it just looked like the next gen ILX with an integra badge on it...

[twitchyzero]

Really it just looked like the next gen ILX with an integra badge on it...

CSX/ILX was the 4-door integra replacement

really like to know what they mean when they say this will have the same fun-to-drive spirit as the original..gotta be double wishbone & manual transmission at the minimum? Keepo

[EvoFire]

CSX/ILX was the 4-door integra replacement

really like to know what they mean when they say this will have the same fun-to-drive spirit as the original..gotta be double wishbone & manual transmission at the minimum? Keepo

Mac struts and torsion beam for you :alone:

Considering the lacklustre TLX Type S, I won't hold my breath for it.

[roastpuff]

Mac struts and torsion beam for you :alone:

Considering the lacklustre TLX Type S, I won't hold my breath for it.

https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/official-2022-honda-civic-hatchback-revealed-specs-info-pics-video.49889/

Assuming same suspension architecture as 11th gen hatch (likely) it's strut front and multi-link rear.

[EvoFire]

https://www.civicxi.com/forum/threads/official-2022-honda-civic-hatchback-revealed-specs-info-pics-video.49889/

Assuming same suspension architecture as 11th gen hatch (likely) it's strut front and multi-link rear.

I was joking, but jokes don't always show well online.

[tofu1413]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51fscNxSGPL._AC_.jpg

the old 5 door pretty much looked like the 3 door, proportions wise too...


I do hope they make a special white out package like this:

https://cdn.drivingline.com/media/2339681/2023-acura-integra-5.jpg?quality=70&mode=pad&copymetadata=true&w=1152


tbh.... why can't the just make another MK1 Integra........... or make a Modern DC ............ stupid world wide regulations.

[twitchyzero]

didn't 1st gen sell pretty poorly? it was the Legend that made the case for Lexus and Infiniti to set up shop

[AzNightmare]

https://cars.usnews.com/pics/size/776x517/images/Auto/izmo/i815941/2016_hyundai_genesis_coupe_angularrear.jpg

That render looks an awful lot like a 10 year old car.

Meh, proportions are different. This render looks a lot more sleek and updated.

There's only so many ways to design a car (without trying too hard to be unique, thus making it ugly), if not the Genesis, it's gonna look like another car that can be pulled up from a catalogue of thousands of other cars that have been made in the history of time.

[!Aznboi128]

Acura confirms the Integra with have a 6-speed

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/6e0240a157779472923dd7d234d22997c3739813/preview-928x522.jpg

https://youtu.be/kDFE92gA3Ag
You can see it shift through the generations, the newest does look like the civic

New civic for reference:
https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/2022-honda-civic-hatchback-carbuzz-864045.jpg

[Traum]

That shifting through the gears (and generations) video is a perfect example of great concept / horrible execution.

The concept of the ad is really quite brilliant -- 5 generations of Integra; 5 passes through the rev range in each successive generation.

Unfortunately, what the ad agency didn't realize was -- only the first 3 gens sounded like the angry hive of bees that old skool Honda fans have come to know and love. By the time we shifted into 4th gear / 4th gen, something was starting to go amiss. And then by the time we hit 5th gear / 5th gen, it sounds exactly like the total disappointment that it will probably be -- fantastic on paper specs, massive letdown in real life... :(

[!Aznboi128]

lol the little 1.5 doesn't meet the needs of the old B-series

[Alpine]

https://www.integraforums.com/forum/threads/spied-2023-acura-integra-drops-heavy-suit-camouflage.50010/

[EvoFire]

Seems wrong to see RSX-S on the floor mats when this is a Integra. I understand why but that car is not quite a Integra for many people.

[JDMDreams]

Just get a G70? Or a used stinger? At this rate FeelsBadMan

[Traum]

The problem is with some N.Americans believing the RSX isn't an Integra when it absolutely is. In Japan, the RSX has always been branded as the Honda Integra.
Seems wrong to see RSX-S on the floor mats when this is a Integra. I understand why but that car is not quite a Integra for many people.

[AstulzerRZD]

I met someone who participated in a focus group for one of these - they were asked if they wanted to buy one of these for 33.5K. Base engine is the Si engine, 2.0T wasn't mentioned.

[twitchyzero]

lol making an ad around Manuel
seems desperate

[Liquid_o2]

lol making an ad around Manuel
seems desperate

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/52800759/que.jpg

[CorneringArtist]

Anyone curious if they might develop a DCT over CVT in the Type S to match its competitors? If it does, I might pull the trigger. As much as I want to go manual (and is the rightful experience), I've got a bad left leg and have always had a soft spot for Honda. From what I heard the ILX DCT was alright.

[twitchyzero]

makes no sense to produce a trans only for one trim

many automakers also moving away from dct since slushbox and cvt have come some ways

[JDMDreams]

I'm not sure? As I've always thought they just exploded after 100k km. As aren't clutches wear items and I've never heard of anyone rebuilding them locally. Same with cvts if you want something reliable, I doubt they will last over 200k Kms like traditional 5 or 6 speed boxes.

[Teriyaki]

Not sure if I'm reading the room right, but seems to be a little more negativity about the car than I expected.

I for one, am excited they're bringing back the Integra and am not surprised one bit it'll be a badge-engineered Civic. In this day and age, everything is on the same "car platform" anyways and engineers just pick and choose what they want from the parts-bin and add some style. I'm not super well versed in Integra history but weren't the previous gens basically civic based anyways? And with how well the new civic hatchback is being reviewed, seems like a great base to start it with.

Anyhow, just hope it doesn't turn into something like that old ILX with little styling, little power, and too much sticker price.

[JDMDreams]

As someone who's had 2 dc2s and friends with older gen, sedans, they are nothing like civics. Civics never got b18s. They only got watered down engines at least in north America:okay:

[Teriyaki]

Hm, so a part of what made the Integra feel more special was because they limited the engine choices in the civic and made them exclusive to the Integra. Got it. So safe to assume we'd be happier if they didn't sell the 11th gen Civic with the turbos or higher HP engines, and made us jump through hoops and pay the Acura premium for them? We're spoiled for choice in todays world eh.

[!Aznboi128]

I don't think that's what he meant, while the 1.5T works well in the civic we would like to see something more than the 1.5. Maybe the 2L from the RDX would be nice.

The Integra and civic were always closely related but they never really shared the same shell. This Integra looks to be the same as the civic with some new sheet metal. Kinda like the CSX, I don't think it's wrong but once again hoping for more.

[Spectre_Cdn]

Does this mean there’s a return to the ages of Integra parts upgrades on pedestrian Civics again? :drool Thicker sway bars, seat swaps, front-end conversions etc. Unfortunately, the Civic is already so well-equipped nowadays, I don’t see how more premium an Integra can get in its class. :okay:

Maybe a reverse mod until a real ITR returns; Integra with CTR engine swaps and chassis upgrades Kappa

[!Aznboi128]

in b4 stuff like this happens again

http://civic-eg.com/pics/front_conversions/hatch/whiteintegraconversiongf4.png

[JDMDreams]

I was thinking about this, back when we last had Integras not RSX, there was a huge power difference pre 2000. Civics had d series that made like 100hp, base Integra with b18 made 140, gsr 170 and type r was double at 200. Even early 2000s civics made like 120 130 if you got the VTEC el. RSX base was like 160 and type s was 200. Then things got watered down when you had the civic si/ CSX with the k20 that was shared with the RSX. :okay:

[Traum]

It's worth bearing in mind that the K20-powered 8th gen Civic Si didn't arrive until the 2nd half of 2005. By that time, I'm sure that Honda has already internally decided to phase out the RSX, so the period when the the K20 Civic Si and the RSX-S overlapped wasn't really that long. And on paper, the RSX-S was still something like 7 or 8hp more than the CSi.

But yeah, for the most part, the Integra had the far more powerful engine over their Civic cousins, which is why the car was much favoured over the Civic. With this 5th gen Integra, however, it doesn't seem like that'll happen. We are only expecting the Civic Si engine in the base Integra, and the CTR engine in the Integra Type S. IMO, Honda really needs to do more to differentiate the Integra from the Civic, and the most sensible route would be to add 1 or 2 electric motors to the rear wheels to make it an AWD mild hybrid.

[twitchyzero]

8th gen si/csx replaced the ep3/rsx

that pic reminds me of the domani front end

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/05/7a/b9057ad9ef78bfea80d235c31e737e27.jpg

[JDMDreams]

https://static.carthrottle.com/workspace/uploads/posts/2016/04/057ef6dc10ff6fcab93ddeff36f31dd1.jpg

http://civic-eg.com/pics/front_conversions/hatch/eq5ddy.jpg

[teggy604]

Acura confirms the Integra with have a 6-speed

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/6e0240a157779472923dd7d234d22997c3739813/preview-928x522.jpg

https://youtu.be/kDFE92gA3Ag
You can see it shift through the generations, the newest does look like the civic

New civic for reference:
https://cdn.carbuzz.com/gallery-images/2022-honda-civic-hatchback-carbuzz-864045.jpg

The first 4 generation of integras (include RSX for North America) are pure engine sounds. Now don't all the new civic and CTR have "fake" engine sound in the interior? So the sound we hear in this ad is probably engineered sound vs the true engine sound?

[supafamous]

The first 4 generation of integras (include RSX for North America) are pure engine sounds. Now don't all the new civic and CTR have "fake" engine sound in the interior? So the sound we hear in this ad is probably engineered sound vs the true engine sound?

I think there's two types of fake engine sounds - the type that is piped in from the engine bay where presumably there's some filtering done and the type that is fully fake and generated by the audio system.

I think the Civic is doing the former which is what even the Miata does. My RDX does the fully fake sounds which I mostly dislike - they've cranked the volume up too much.

[supafamous]

The first 4 generation of integras (include RSX for North America) are pure engine sounds. Now don't all the new civic and CTR have "fake" engine sound in the interior? So the sound we hear in this ad is probably engineered sound vs the true engine sound?

I think there's two types of fake engine sounds - the type that is piped in from the engine bay where presumably there's some filtering done and the type that is fully fake and generated by the audio system.

I think the Civic is doing the former which is what even the Miata does. My RDX does the fully fake sounds which I mostly dislike - they've cranked the volume up too much.

[twitchyzero]

i cant hear the difference with or without sound tube in the miata, pretty stupid because in a convertible road noise is going to drown it out

and who cares about a mass-produced 4 popper lol

[!Aznboi128]

Honda released the new info on the 11th Gen Civic is

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/e340af478553bd9f35af8a0c149d0634a78a44bf/preview-928x522.jpg

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/8bc727c2cb990f3c318b0d4efc399e0913de95b5/preview-928x522.jpg

They kept the power low at 200hp and torque is at 192. The Integra would share all of these features including the 6-speed and LSD but I would assume it would have a tad more power at like 220 or so. The 1.5 is capable of making more we saw this in the 10th gen and for 11th gen the engine has been reworked so it's only natural.

[trollface]

Don't forget that makes power a lot sooner now.

Too bad it's ugly.

[teggy604]

Honda released the new info on the 11th Gen Civic is

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/e340af478553bd9f35af8a0c149d0634a78a44bf/preview-928x522.jpg

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/8bc727c2cb990f3c318b0d4efc399e0913de95b5/preview-928x522.jpg

They kept the power low at 200hp and torque is at 192. The Integra would share all of these features including the 6-speed and LSD but I would assume it would have a tad more power at like 220 or so. The 1.5 is capable of making more we saw this in the 10th gen and for 11th gen the engine has been reworked so it's only natural.

200hp just not enough for today's civic. Every year the civic gets heavier and bigger yet power is from 20 yrs ago. If the CTR is at 306hp, this civic should be around 240-260hp. Plus its turbo so it wouldn't be hard for Honda engineers to do that. Not like its a N/A engine.

[JDMDreams]

^^ it's enough power according to Subaru :troll:

[Traum]

A couple of thoughts after looking through the paper specs of the 11th gen Civic Si:

- The car looks bland and I really don't like that gloss black trunk spoiler. The regular trunk from the Civic sedan already looks upscale from bearing a lot of resemblance to some versions of the Audi A4, but the trunk spoiler really ruined it.

- This pic alone shows you how much of a porker the Civic has become over time. FailFish
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2022-honda-civic-si-205-1634579634.jpg

- Releasing it only as a sedan is a calculated move to ensure that those who wanted a sporty hatch would have to flock to the Integra.

- That 200hp number looks really bad on paper. My first thought was, the 8th gen CSi had that much from the K20, and that engine was soooo much fun to drive.

- In practice, the hp / tq numbers will be more than enough for everyday use, even for highway overtaking or climbing the Coquihalla as long as you are willing to stomp on that go fast pedal.

- Why would anyone do something this dumb? FailFish
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/2022-honda-civic-si-213-1634579640.jpg

- Having auto rev-matching and the ability to defeat it is awesome. Every modern manual car should offer this.

- Larger brakes than the standard Civic is good. But how much bigger is bigger?

[trollface]

I assume the car has dual exhaust and the loop is to create an equal length for sound/resonance/equal pressure. Unlike the FRS which has one center muffler in the middle, it looks like there isn't any room so they're running two smaller muffers. Right side gets a loop cuz the left side has a shorter run.

If they were unequal one side would get the majority of the gases (back pressure yada yada) and they would need a larger muffler which they may or may not have room for due to the spare/suspension/ride height.

That's what I think but I'm a fucking idiot and inventor of the DVD rewinder.

[Spectre_Cdn]

That exhaust must be inspired by the Mugen twin-loop. But it will be easy for the aftermarket to claim weight-savings now with all that steel.

The Si has been a coupe/sedan for generations.

It’s nice that they trickled down suspension and transmission parts from the CTR.

Some people pointed out the change from adaptive dampers to “tuned” dampers, which is a downgrade.

[trollface]

The twin loop actually loops back into the muffler though. This must be a space constraint and they have to make sure both get equal pressure to keep the noise down.

[68style]

I get such an empty feeling deep in my soul just looking at this car.

I'm sure it drives nice though :)

[!Aznboi128]

The loop is designed to "throw the exhaust around" helping with the exhaust note.

Says so in their press materials

[Matsuda]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/u8gAAOSw5otfgMkz/s-l300.png

man, they got rid of the HDMI port

[jpark]

i dont love it but i dont hate it.
I stil feel like the design and the tech advanced so drastically from the 9th gen to 10th gen. Anything after the 10th gen its just not gonna be as big of a wow factor.

[twitchyzero]

who cares about hp when it'll be faster and apparently better throttle response?

jury still out on the revhangs tho :lol

[!Aznboi128]

I think it'll be a tad faster than previous gen but is it fast enough for the price? The GR86 is basically the same price with more power and a platform that works. Yes the SI is a 4-door and has more space but so does the GLI and that looks the same and also has more power.

I think they toned down the SI simply because of the Integra. The Integra will have to be better, faster and more luxurious than the Civic but at what cost.

[supafamous]

who cares about hp when it'll be faster and apparently better throttle response?

jury still out on the revhangs tho :lol

https://jalopnik.com/the-2022-honda-civic-hatchback-is-a-daily-youll-look-fo-1847881587

The experience is only hampered by loads of rev hang, which locks the RPM where you left it while you’re rowing into the next gear.

Rev hang is still there according to Jalopnik's review of the 2022 hatchback. I don't think there's a lot they can do about this as it's about managing emissions (granted the amount of rev hang varies by engine).

Re: only 200hp for the last bajillion years. While the Integra is probably a reason not to put the 2.0T in I suspect it's just too much motor for what the Si has represented which is a slightly jazzed up Civic. If the Accord's 2.0T can do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds (what a sleeper) what does the Si do with that same motor? Way too close for comfort to the CTR and not in line with what the Si is and has been.

And there's no engine in the line up that offers a nicer balance - 220-230hp isn't available unless they detune the K20C4 and Honda probably doesn't want to do it due to low volume.

[EvoFire]

The 10Si is a pretty rare car around here because it only came as sedan and coupe (everyone wanted a hatch) and it just isn't that much better than the Touring for most people.

I think the 11Si is still going to be a rare car because it just doesn't do enough to differentiate itself.

About the 2.0t, it won't happen because it would make the car hit WRX level prices which is more than what Honda wants.

[BIC_BAWS]

Haven't driven the 10Si, but the rev hang on the 9Si was atrocious. It was so bad that I refuse to buy one and my friend sold his in 6 months for an STI.

The 8Si also has it, but nowhere nearly as bad as the 9Si.

[Traum]

I think it'll be a tad faster than previous gen but is it fast enough for the price? The GR86 is basically the same price with more power and a platform that works. Yes the SI is a 4-door and has more space but so does the GLI and that looks the same and also has more power.

I think they toned down the SI simply because of the Integra. The Integra will have to be better, faster and more luxurious than the Civic but at what cost.
It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that someone considering this 11th gen Civic Si would also cross shop the GR86 though. GLI / GTI / WRX -- yes, those would be comparable vehicles to consider. And really, each of them has their own appeal and shortcomings.

[!Aznboi128]

- Larger brakes than the standard Civic is good. But how much bigger is bigger?

From the press materials

Oversized 12.3-inch front rotors (+1.2-inches vs. Sedan), and 11.1-inch rear rotors (+0.9-inch vs. Sedan)

It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that someone considering this 11th gen Civic Si would also cross shop the GR86 though. GLI / GTI / WRX -- yes, those would be comparable vehicles to consider. And really, each of them has their own appeal and shortcomings.

I'm just thinking, people that are buying sporty vehicles may cross shop with the gr86. Yes I get it's a lot smaller but it's in-line with the SI's performance

[jjson]

Haven't driven the 10Si, but the rev hang on the 9Si was atrocious. It was so bad that I refuse to buy one and my friend sold his in 6 months for an STI.

The 8Si also has it, but nowhere nearly as bad as the 9Si.

I had an 8th gen Si and I got rid of the rev hang with Hondata. It was night and day difference (think RSX-S)

[pastarocket]

https://www.acura.ca/en/future-vehicles/integra

livestream of the Acura premiere on November 11th at 5:35pm PST.

[trollface]

Where is it?

[pastarocket]

Where is it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K40wcyYGVUg

Livestream on Youtube

[!Aznboi128]

So exactly as we thought it's a civic hatch, priced at $30k USD it's a bit more than Civic SI at $27,300 USD

[TypeRNammer]

Well that was pretty underwhelming.

At least it looks better than the Civic.

[trollface]

That was exactly what I expected. lol

[!Aznboi128]

Well that was pretty underwhelming.

At least it looks better than the Civic.
Having seen the civic in person I really like it. Not the civic hatch, the sedan. this is sedan with a hatch... so best of both worlds?

[320icar]

That’s exactly what I expected. Couldn’t tell it apart from any other Acura made in the last 5 years if my life depended on it

[JDMDreams]

I mean it looks better than the regular civic doesn't have that bumper budge. So does this have more power? Needs a Mugen wing:lawl:

[twitchyzero]

old tegs just went up another 30% in value overnight :lol

[dark0821]

well...as everyone has expressed....

even though it is exactly as how we predicted, it is still underwhelming....

sigh.... let the civic have the 5 door, this was a perfect opportunity to make the integra the next gen 3 door hatch... since there are enough models in the porfolio that overlaps...

But no... yes yes... I know integra did come in 5 doors as well... but the integra type-R, DC5 RSX Type-S (or integra typr-R in the JDM market) has always been a 3 door hatch...

I guess we should celebrate that integra is not a CUV/SUV for another generation =D

[Spectre_Cdn]

Actually looks decent. I view it as a win in the sense that you get the looks of the TLX (and a nicer rear end, imo) with potentially similar interior room for a lower price.

[ilovebacon]

http://www.globalautoshop.com/images/styling/trunk/hyundai/hyundai_genesis_coupe_chrome_trunk_lid_trim_access ories_before.jpg

When I saw the rear, i got a vibe of this.

[!Aznboi128]

Actually looks decent. I view it as a win in the sense that you get the looks of the TLX (and a nicer rear end, imo) with potentially similar interior room for a lower price.
Would agree, the current gen Civic is pretty spacious inside, the TLX is a bit more cramped because of the engine placement, chassis design and SH-AWD it squeezes everything in the middle.

[supafamous]

Actually looks decent. I view it as a win in the sense that you get the looks of the TLX (and a nicer rear end, imo) with potentially similar interior room for a lower price.

I think the most awkward angle is the side view where the very upright A-pillar clashes with the much swoopier hatch - it doesn't have anywhere near the grace of an A5 Sportback but I suppose Acura didn't have the budget to move the hard point up front. The front looks nice, rear is a little bit weird/derivative.

I don't think this car is REALLY an Integra replacement, I think it's a TSX replacement. Same size, same power, same space. A Type S with either the 272hp or 306hp 2.0T and a manual (and maybe SH-AWD) would be likely be a blast to drive.

[!Aznboi128]

I'm pretty sure we can forget about SH-AWD.

If you take a look at https://youtu.be/8GxKxDSakIE?t=245 There's no space for the driveshaft. Honda/Acura won't put the RnD to give a new belly pan.

[k3mps]

Well I ripped on the TLX Type S... and I have a similar opinion about this car.

If it's going to be $30 USD then I'm guessing $33-34 Cad..base.
Personally if I was looking for a sporty sedan in this price range, there are a lot of better options.

1) VW Jetta GLI / Golf GTI are cheaper, more powerful, and come in manual
2) Subaru WRX is cheaper, more powerful, and comes in manual (although new one is hideous)
3) New Elantra N is cheaper, far more powerful, comes in manual (or only in the US)

If you don't care for rear seats, the BRZ/86 is cheaper, more powerful, RWD, manual...

I get the VW reliability, WRX fuel economy arguments however if you've stepped up from the Civic SI into this price range, do you really care about that? Otherwise you'd be buying the Civic Si instead?

I think for this to be really competitive in this price range against its competitors, it needs the k20 engine from the Accord.
I personally don't see the appeal of this car both on the spec sheet and financially unless you're a Honda fanboy... BUT I could just be the old guy yapping away.

Just my 2cents..

[jjson]

All I can say is..... FAKE TAXI

[!Aznboi128]

Acura Canada already said it's going to be $35k CAD.

[roastpuff]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/f_auto/63195b599180696aaf65a438e42a0c87.png


:lawl:

[Spectre_Cdn]

Acura Canada already said it's going to be $35k CAD.

That makes it a good buy then, no?

People (at least online fanboys who never actually buy new cars + not RS) have been clamouring for a Civic Si hatchback since the 10th-gen Si came out.

If you apply the Honda hatchback premium multiplier to a Si @ $33k, this is good value at only $2K more for a "premium" Si hatchback :pokerface:

But then again, the latest Si hasn't been a huge improvement over the 10th-gen on paper and it's value is under criticism.

:inout:

[EvoFire]

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/f_auto/63195b599180696aaf65a438e42a0c87.png


:lawl:

I don't know whether to thank you for the laugh or fail you for the horror.... :fuuuuu:

So you are getting both

[Traum]

I puke (figuratively) when I saw the "prototype".

The front looks nothing like any Integra from the past because it is a freaking ILX / TLX. The so-called "fastback" rear looks more like the ZDX banged a G35/G37 + Genesis coupe.

At least the Civic hatch managed to look inoffensive despite being bland. But this? It looked like Acura just hit it with an ugly stick everywhere.

I was expecting to be disappointed. Instead, Honda gave me a total stylistic disaster. I guess we can call that "exceeding my wildest expectations"?
:badpokerface: FailFish :banghead:

[EvoFire]

I puke (figuratively) when I saw the "prototype".

The front looks nothing like any Integra from the past because it is a freaking ILX / TLX. The so-called "fastback" rear looks more like the ZDX banged a G35/G37 + Genesis coupe.

At least the Civic hatch managed to look inoffensive despite being bland. But this? It looked like Acura just hit it with an ugly stick everywhere.

I was expecting to be disappointed. Instead, Honda gave me a total stylistic disaster. I guess we can call that "exceeding my wildest expectations"?
:badpokerface: FailFish :banghead:

The review was pretty anti climatic imo. We knew it was getting the corporate face, the rear end was leaked along with the roof line. We knew it was going to be Civic hatch based and the hard points would be the same. We pretty knew how the car would look a few weeks ago already.

[teggy604]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K40wcyYGVUg

Livestream on Youtube


Looks like the ILX to me.

[twitchyzero]

i dont mind the ass at all and even if the rear 3/4 and side looks awkward af maybe it'll be better in person if smaller than tlx

i think type S can still 'save it' if it's a 'touring' type-R at a lower cost even if it resembles nothing like the integra/rsx

[Traum]

The vast majority of the comment section at various car mags seem to be very negative towards the looks of the car -- ahem... can't say I'm surprised. I wonder what the higher ups are thinking / saying now given the public's response.

Externally, of course they can't acknowledge that they fxxked up and that the car looks ugly. But internally, I would at least expect some level of honest discussion to salvage the poor response.

What do you think Acura can possible do to save this disaster? What do you think happened at the boardroom?

[Alpine]

Boardrooms are always full of people that are out of touch with their target market, and most decision-makers get to the top because they know the right people/say the right things along the way. You don't get to the top of a corporate environment by being disagreeable with the people you report to. The most common cliche used today is the "customer experience," but this is thrown around by people that aren't even customers of the product lol.

They can't save it and it will sell as poorly as the ILX before it.

[Klondike]

That makes it a good buy then, no?

People (at least online fanboys who never actually buy new cars + not RS) have been clamouring for a Civic Si hatchback since the 10th-gen Si came out.

If you apply the Honda hatchback premium multiplier to a Si @ $33k, this is good value at only $2K more for a "premium" Si hatchback :pokerface:

But then again, the latest Si hasn't been a huge improvement over the 10th-gen on paper and it's value is under criticism.

:inout:

Was talking to my buddy the other day and we pretty much agreed that it's a good Si but a terrible Integra, though the 10th gen Si lowered the bar after ditching the K engine.

Now the question is: how is Honda going to sell the Si if this thing exists? :facepalm:

[supafamous]

The vast majority of the comment section at various car mags seem to be very negative towards the looks of the car -- ahem... can't say I'm surprised. I wonder what the higher ups are thinking / saying now given the public's response.

Externally, of course they can't acknowledge that they fxxked up and that the car looks ugly. But internally, I would at least expect some level of honest discussion to salvage the poor response.

What do you think Acura can possible do to save this disaster? What do you think happened at the boardroom?

I don't think it'll matter as, at the end of the day, they're working within a budget for an expected sales volume (https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/acura-ilx-sales-figures/) and this thing is still going to sell in healthy volumes regardless of the feelings of enthusiasts.

In any case I think the anger/disappointment will get better for 2 reasons:

1. It's going to drive great. If the current Civic is any indication this thing will be a nice drive even in base trim.
2. The Type-S will drive even better and it's the one the enthusiasts want anyways.

Weren't Integra fans up in arms when the RSX was replaced by the TSX?

[Koflach]

That's it? I was really hoping that Honda would take a little more risk with their design. Also, why wouldn't they show off a 2 door hatchback version of this iconic car to get people excited instead of another 4 door sedan?

[supafamous]

https://jalopnik.com/hear-me-out-stop-comparing-nameplate-revivals-to-your-1848057357

Now, we’re seeing the same situation with the new Integra. Acura announced a successor to their five-door luxury sport compact, and everyone’s up in arms that it’s a five-door luxury sport compact. Never mind that every Integra has been based on the Civic, never mind that it’s always been available with two rows of doors, never mind that Acura is skipping all the forgettable base models with this generation and jumping right to the equivalent of a GS-R.

No one can be disappointed that the new Integra isn’t the same as the old ones. You’re disappointed that it is the same, and that in being the same it ruins your nostalgia for the car of your youth. Sure, the Type R was special, but an upcoming Integra Type S is the worst-kept secret in cars right now. You all wanted a world-beating three-door liftback that revved to 9,000 RPM, and that’s a perfectly fine thing to want — it just isn’t an Integra.

He's got a point.

[twitchyzero]

where's the 3-door variant then which was what started the model?

a type S would be the GSR equiv, not a 1.5T

GSR came out 30 years ago basically what the author said isn't an integra-- a liftback with 8k limit

the marketing itself is contradictory: Ikeda said it stands out from a sea of SUVs/crossovers then next sentence say it's for the active lifestyle :facepalm:

[!Aznboi128]

This integra is more like this

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/ACURAIntegra-1246_1.jpg

Is that so bad?

[Traum]

^^ Nobody would call this a fat Civic because it isn't! More importantly, the lines are clean and sleek looking. It also has an engine that is 2 baby steps ahead of what the best Civic offered at the time (instead of sharing the same engine with the "top dog" Civic).

[Hakkaboy]

^^ Nobody would call this a fat Civic because it isn't! More importantly, the lines are clean and sleek looking. It also has an engine that is 2 baby steps ahead of what the best Civic offered at the time (instead of sharing the same engine with the "top dog" Civic).

There was only one Civic engine at the time in North America. But in JDM land, the B16A was available around in 1989, so technically speaking, the base Integra had an engine that was lesser than the "top dog" Civic.

[toyota86]

If Honda wants to use nostalgia to sell the car by calling it the Integra, then it has to appease the crowd that feels nostalgic about the old car. This feels like a given. If Honda can't/won't deliver on the nostalgia, then why bring back a dead marque. Who is this car really made for? Might as well call it the Acura Potato. Guaranteed to generate more buzz and memes.

[teggy604]

This integra is more like this

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/ACURAIntegra-1246_1.jpg

Is that so bad?

Not bad at all. Why didn't Acura use this or any other 4 door Integra in their press release video? Technically they could have use all 4 door Integras because each generation had one.

[Traum]

Technically they could have use all 4 door Integras because each generation had one.
Don't think there was a 4-door RSX? Unless you count the Element...? :badpokerface:

[!Aznboi128]

^ or... you know the TSX?

[twitchyzero]

it was an euro accord :derp:

[SkunkWorks]

https://scontent.fcxh3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/fr/cp0/e15/q65/257766386_3009068466075527_9026645109349285449_n.j pg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=Z5RH69xMuwAAX9-hhEe&_nc_ht=scontent.fcxh3-1.fna&oh=da04903d4ac26348b15f171ed6d5849e&oe=619C9AB0

[JDMDreams]

So why didn't they just call this an Ilx? :pokerface: they wouldn't have received so much hate cuz the bar for that was much lower :lawl:

[68style]

Or just offered a special anything? I mean the DA and DB Integras were always different/popular because it was its own platform and had a 1.8L engine instead of a 1.5 or 1.6 on the Civic........

It was a car you graduated to from your Civic at the time. This is just like... overpaying for a Si. Much like the CSX-S/ILX were... which only makes sense because it is indeed an ILX.

Obviously I'm no CEO and never will be... but I would have 2-stepped this... re-introduced the ILX as the car above is, then also simultaneously launched the Integra as a 3 door hatch alongside it with a slightly more powerful engine (different intakes/exhaust tune, doesn't need to be much) and slightly lighter weight... and then done a Type-S version of the hatch with a CTR motor...

You sell the ILX to all the people who don't care about performance and don't want to drive a Civic... and you have 2 hot hatches for the Integra enthusiasts + all the people who would have preferred the CTR wasn't a sedan?

[pherio]

So many "offended" people, you can't expect anything from any company no matter what they are promoting/selling.

There was no surprise what was revealed. Honda already discontinued the Civic coupe, why would they make a new 2dr Integra? Why would they put the type r motor in it and butcher the sales of a type r?

Acura is just building up hype so that people will talk about it, and that's exactly what's happening. They don't need "enthusiasts" to buy the car as there are only a handful of them compared to the "masses" of people that want a "vanilla" car.

If they called it an ILX no one would bat an eye and there would be no sales.

[teggy604]

^^Thats what is confusing. If it was for the masses of non enthusiasts ppl, why does it come standard with a 6spd. Nobody drives stick nowadays, especially with the advancement of semi autos. The only ppl that drive stick for a daily are enthusiasts. Let's just hope it comes in auto as an option, but you will have to pay a few grand more.

[68style]

They wouldn't be butchering CTR sales... there aren't any more current CTR's available.

Honda Japan simultaneously sold the CTR and ITR next to each other for many years including the entire EP3/DC5-R eras with basically the same engine in both. Tonnes of manufacturers carry engines across platforms of their higher and lower brands.

370Z / G37? 400 / Q60?

Camry / ES300?

etc. etc.

So many examples.

[pherio]

^^Thats what is confusing. If it was for the masses of non enthusiasts ppl, why does it come standard with a 6spd. Nobody drives stick nowadays, especially with the advancement of semi autos. The only ppl that drive stick for a daily are enthusiasts. Let's just hope it comes in auto as an option, but you will have to pay a few grand more.

Could be just to say "They tried" and Honda wants to discontinue the manual like every other manufacturer.

Last manual Accord was 2018 and even though reviewers praised it, it got discontinued. Enthusiasts & car reviewers can say its cool an all but they don't have the numbers to back up the sales.

[68style]

I drove one of those Accords it was possible to get one with a detuned CTR motor and it’s a very nice drivetrain.

The problem is, and it’s a personal thing for everyone, but those Accords were really ugly and huge looking.

[!Aznboi128]

Could be just to say "They tried" and Honda wants to discontinue the manual like every other manufacturer.

Last manual Accord was 2018 and even though reviewers praised it, it got discontinued. Enthusiasts & car reviewers can say its cool an all but they don't have the numbers to back up the sales.
Just saying, the manual accord was pretty trash. You think a manual accord that shares the engine as the CTR would give you CTR vibes but it really doesn't. The auto is miles better.

[68style]

? I really liked it

[!Aznboi128]

As someone that owned manual versions of the Accord before, the 10th gen 6-speed lacked anything additional than the previous versions got. My 7th gen had better brakes, sways to make it more fun.

just my 2cents

[tofu1413]

the car is to be expected...

but the marketing guy that used the pitch to name it integra needs to get shot.

[Alpine]

As an enthusiast, I can safely say that any new car that tries to leverage a nameplate that gives me warm and fuzzy feelings will be a terrible disappointment. Manufacturers are simply unable to make what we want anymore, largely because we are stuck living in the past.

To quote Andy Bernard, I wish there was a way to know when you were in the good ol days before you’ve actually left them.

[MarkyMark]

I don't know, not technically a "car" but the new Bronco was very well received by staying true to the original styling and improving upon it at the same time. Maybe a 2 door Integra in this age doesn't work but there's no way this was Acura's best effort.

[68style]

It’s all about timing I think too… like the Bronco kind of nailed their campaign, remains to be seen how successful it is or most of the sales are the very pedestrian version…

Toyota tried a similar vehicle with the FJ Cruiser before and despite current demand and high prices at the time it kind of flopped.

[supafamous]

I don't know, not technically a "car" but the new Bronco was very well received by staying true to the original styling and improving upon it at the same time. Maybe a 2 door Integra in this age doesn't work but there's no way this was Acura's best effort.

Best effort within their BUDGET.

In the Integra's heyday they were moving 50-80k units a year (https://carsalesbase.com/us-acura-integra/) at a time when R&D costs were way lower than they are now. The ILX sells barely 15k units/yr so best case with an Integra is 30k units and I'd say that's only going to be year 1.

Between massive increases in R&D costs and lower sales volume I don't think there's really that much they could have done especially as the MDX, TLX, and refreshed RDX were likely eating up a lot more budget and resources during that same time. Those cars are the profit centres so they get the bulk of the money.

I bet the FRS/86/BRZ are money losers for Toyota/Subaru with their 10-20k units a year but Toyota treats it as a branding exercise (just like with the Supra). They need to be considered cool and fun. Other than the NSX I don't think Honda really gets into building money losers.

[supafamous]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38320712/new-acura-integra-five-door-only/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&fbclid=IwAR3c1WsT4O-C0XBhaEB4vUvUoKk4jngWkSZRD2A9Jn1H8gl9LWgUb0fmqZw

Why the Integra had to be a 5 door according to Jon Ikeda.

[twitchyzero]

played it too safe and it backfired

what's bizzare is this is the only current acura designed back in japan

pretty sure the bean counters there didn't say 'this makes sense' when they built a turbo mid-engine roadster few years ago for kei class

[EvoFire]

Where it's design doesn't mean a whole lot to me. The only part that needed to be designed was the rear and it looks like a 11 year old Genesis Coupe. The side is just Civic and the front is resized corp face.

The only way this would be interesting was if they managed to do a SH-AWD Type R. But I believe it was said that the platform doesn't allow for AWD, and I don't believe they have a manual SH-AWD drivetrain either. Then again a AWD R would piss off the purists.

[!Aznboi128]

GUYS!

Someone is selling a Prototype Integra with a V6 AND SH-AWD here (https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/ctd/d/richmond-2010-acura-zdx-sh-awd-tech-pkg/7403595780.html).


https://images.craigslist.org/00h0h_7P1OY8in1wkz_0rs0kA_1200x900.jpg

[TypeRNammer]

GUYS!

Someone is selling a Prototype Integra with a V6 AND SH-AWD here (https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/ctd/d/richmond-2010-acura-zdx-sh-awd-tech-pkg/7403595780.html).


https://images.craigslist.org/00h0h_7P1OY8in1wkz_0rs0kA_1200x900.jpg


If there was ever a 2nd gen ZDX, it would probably have a fighting chance against the Mercedes, BMW, and Audi Coupe SUVs

EDIT: I could picture it looking pretty decent with the current Acura design language

[!Aznboi128]

Yea, Infiniti brought out the QX55 and it's not doing too well. It seems only the Germans are successful with Coupe-SUVs

[JDMDreams]

Are rdx and even MDX selling? I never see any new ones around. I think Acura might have priced their cars a bit too high lately isn't the MDX type s like $80000? :pokerface:

[supafamous]

Are rdx and even MDX selling? I never see any new ones around. I think Acura might have priced their cars a bit too high lately isn't the MDX type s like $80000? :pokerface:

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-midsize-luxury-suv-sales-figures/

Selling pretty well - the MDX is neck and neck with the X5 and GLE in the US and 4th place in Canada.

RDX is selling great - best year ever in Canada (https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/acura-rdx-sales-figures/)

[TouringTeg]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38320712/new-acura-integra-five-door-only/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&fbclid=IwAR3c1WsT4O-C0XBhaEB4vUvUoKk4jngWkSZRD2A9Jn1H8gl9LWgUb0fmqZw

Why the Integra had to be a 5 door according to Jon Ikeda.

This was a good read. I wonder how close the Civic Type R and Integra Type S will be performance wise.

[teggy604]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38320712/new-acura-integra-five-door-only/?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflowFBCD&src=socialflowFBCAD&utm_medium=social-media&fbclid=IwAR3c1WsT4O-C0XBhaEB4vUvUoKk4jngWkSZRD2A9Jn1H8gl9LWgUb0fmqZw

Why the Integra had to be a 5 door according to Jon Ikeda.

The civic coupe si in terms of space is much different than a Integra. The civic has a trunk. The integra even tho has 2 door because of the hatch and folding seat had that versatility. My old gen 3 integra with the seats folded down had tons of space. I can fit camping stuff, track wheels with all the tools in the back.

[SkunkWorks]

This was a good read. I wonder how close the Civic Type R and Integra Type S will be performance wise.

Good to see you back TT.

If only you had held onto the 993... Would've paid for the CTR just in appreciation.

[supafamous]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-honda-civic-si-hpt-first-test-review/
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38381477/2022-honda-civic-si-drive/
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/11/30/2022-honda-civic-si-first-drive-review/
https://jalopnik.com/the-2022-honda-civic-si-a-good-compromise-leaves-every-1848132697

Reviews for the Si are coming out today - pretty positive stuff. I would expect the Integra be mostly a dressed up, slightly more practical version of the Si. Maybe it gets the adaptive dampers back and it gets 50lbs more sound insulation? It's a bit slower than I had hoped but that's not surprising.

I wonder if there'll be an automatic version of the Integra - would it be a CVT (ugh) or a DCT? Honda has a DCT lying around but it's never been mated to the 1.5T.

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-honda-civic-si-hpt-first-test-review/
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a38381477/2022-honda-civic-si-drive/
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/11/30/2022-honda-civic-si-first-drive-review/
https://jalopnik.com/the-2022-honda-civic-si-a-good-compromise-leaves-every-1848132697

Reviews for the Si are coming out today - pretty positive stuff. I would expect the Integra be mostly a dressed up, slightly more practical version of the Si. Maybe it gets the adaptive dampers back and it gets 50lbs more sound insulation? It's a bit slower than I had hoped but that's not surprising.

I wonder if there'll be an automatic version of the Integra - would it be a CVT (ugh) or a DCT? Honda has a DCT lying around but it's never been mated to the 1.5T.

American customers are going to get a huge kick in the nuts because the Canadian spec has the following features standard, and with current exchange rates, it's cheaper than the American spec.

Foglights
Parking sensors
Turn signal indicators on mirrors
FULL digital cluster
Shift lights
Dual climate control
Heated seats

https://todayuknews.com/automobile/2022-honda-civic-si-video-shows-canadian-version-is-better-equipped/amp/

[JDMDreams]

Well is it cuz it's made by Canadians for Canadians as Honda says? :awwyeah: :suspicious:

[!Aznboi128]

Canadian spec vs US spec cars always differ. It's no real surprise here.

I don't recall a DCT for the 1.5 but they do make it for their bikes so they COULD make a DCT but making a transmission just for the Integra seems unlikely. That said they COULD take the 8-speed from the ILX, that was pretty good.

[320icar]

Both my focus ST and RS were the same way. We had less choices for option packages, BUT we get more as standard and overall end up paying less. For the RS we even got winter wheels and tires included which was another added cost in the US

[twitchyzero]

yep lot of times the Canadian models are more loaded/desirable yet rarer and/or cheaper

[TypeRNammer]

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/heres-our-first-look-inside-the-new-2023-acura-integra/

First look at the interior of the Integra.

Not surprised that it's a hard take on the current gen Civic

[JDMDreams]

Isn't that shift knob from like 05 TLS or tax? :pokerface:

[jjson]

^Ya, look likes the 8th gen Si as well. Just swap to a heavier Skunk2 one lol

[!Aznboi128]

Let's be honest, if you're surprised that it looks like a Civic then like the exterior your expectations are set wrong.

It's based on a civic, it's just a luxurious Civic like the CSX was.

[tofu1413]

with that many similarities to civic...

shouldve been CSX or EL, not integra. (stateside guys will go wtf, as they didnt have those, but honda fan bois will go beserk for a stateside CSX/ EL)

Whoever is running Acura's ship and whoever works for marketing, you guys suck.

like really suck.

[TypeRNammer]

with that many similarities to civic...

shouldve been CSX or EL, not integra. (stateside guys will go wtf, as they didnt have those, but honda fan bois will go beserk for a stateside CSX/ EL)

Whoever is running Acura's ship and whoever works for marketing, you guys suck.

like really suck.

Their marketing I definitely agree.

After Toyota Japan did a collab with with Initial D, Acura releases their anime mini series. Couldn't Acura come up with something else?

https://youtu.be/pD6W4oh1plY

https://youtu.be/3E1Y5LvMPco

https://youtu.be/TRP_4C5VMIs

https://youtu.be/GaIKh3oj3OE

[tegra7]

Interior shots
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZZ-p9SP1R7/

[twitchyzero]

lol that c-pillar window

https://cdn.24htech.asia/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/01050255/image-2023-acura-integras-interior-spotted-looking-similar-to-the-civics-164364137558694.jpg

[!Aznboi128]

a bit smaller than the Civic.

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/fit-in/960x/https://www.forbes.com/wheels/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/2022_Honda_Civic_Touring_9.jpg

From the looks, it looks like seats are interchangeable.

[Traum]

lol that c-pillar window

That C-pillar window is just an eyesore and a textbook example of form over function. In the Civic, at least it has a somewhat functional size. But in the Integra? It would have been better off had Honda seal it up completely. FailFish

[tofu1413]

Their marketing I definitely agree.

After Toyota Japan did a collab with with Initial D, Acura releases their anime mini series. Couldn't Acura come up with something else?


https://youtu.be/GaIKh3oj3OE



I saw those... and I don't get it. :pokerface:

[twitchyzero]

That C-pillar window is just an eyesore and a textbook example of form over function. In the Civic, at least it has a somewhat functional size. But in the Integra? It would have been better off had Honda seal it up completely. FailFish

they just have to market it as a safari window like in the defender

https://www.drivesection.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2021-Land-Rover-Defender-110-P400-S-Safari-Windows.jpg

[Spectre_Cdn]

That C-pillar window is just an eyesore and a textbook example of form over function. In the Civic, at least it has a somewhat functional size. But in the Integra? It would have been better off had Honda seal it up completely. FailFish

Or give it little pop-out windows like the old EF/ED hatches

How’s that for nostalgia :ilied:

[european]

Their marketing I definitely agree.

After Toyota Japan did a collab with with Initial D, Acura releases their anime mini series. Couldn't Acura come up with something else?

https://youtu.be/pD6W4oh1plY

https://youtu.be/3E1Y5LvMPco

https://youtu.be/TRP_4C5VMIs

https://youtu.be/GaIKh3oj3OE



So good. I love the little details and background during the car meet/garage scene, before the NC1 is revealed. Want more of this series.

[!Aznboi128]

https://www.integratalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=192 0,fit=scale-down/https://www.integratalk.com/attachments/2023-acura-integra-trims-jpg.334/

US specs suggest CVTs for all but the top trim. Can be a bit different here in Canada.

Here are some colour choices
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[68style]

They might as well only send white with red interior to Richmond

[Hakkaboy]

Does the current gen Honda Civic SI also come in CVT? Or is it 6 spd manual only.

If they do, then I can see why they went with CVT instead of a different tranny to go to their parts bin and save costs. But if they don't, then I don't know why they didn't go with their 8DCT or 10 speed auto.

[Traum]

The current gen Civic Si is 6MT only. The CVT is used with all other trims in the Civic.

[EvoFire]

Does the current gen Honda Civic SI also come in CVT? Or is it 6 spd manual only.

If they do, then I can see why they went with CVT instead of a different tranny to go to their parts bin and save costs. But if they don't, then I don't know why they didn't go with their 8DCT or 10 speed auto.

The 1.5t is only paired to 6sp or CVT, if they pair it with the 10sp there's probably R&D involved and new SKUs. The Integra is going to be a parts bin car and that's probably why.

[Tapioca]

The manual option is a set of cookie crumbs to the enthusiasts, but car makers know who buys new cars. The take-up rate for manuals is very small nowadays.

Enthusiasts make a lot of noise on the internet, but in reality, the majority of enthusiasts are cheap and only buy cars second-hand at the bottom of the depreciation curve.

[twitchyzero]

at least offer the yellow showcased on the concept?

so a-spec tech with manual gonna be CTR money?

[Teriyaki]

The manual option is a set of cookie crumbs to the enthusiasts, but car makers know who buys new cars. The take-up rate for manuals is very small nowadays.

Enthusiasts make a lot of noise on the internet, but in reality, the majority of enthusiasts are cheap and only buy cars second-hand at the bottom of the depreciation curve.

I feel attacked.

[!Aznboi128]

The manual option is a set of cookie crumbs to the enthusiasts, but car makers know who buys new cars. The take-up rate for manuals is very small nowadays.

Enthusiasts make a lot of noise on the internet, but in reality, the majority of enthusiasts are cheap and only buy cars second-hand at the bottom of the depreciation curve.

Can you not tell everyone the truth, trying to get discounts over here on a 20 year old BMW wagon

[tofu1413]

The manual option is a set of cookie crumbs to the enthusiasts, but car makers know who buys new cars. The take-up rate for manuals is very small nowadays.

Enthusiasts make a lot of noise on the internet, but in reality, the majority of enthusiasts are cheap and only buy cars second-hand at the bottom of the depreciation curve.

exactly what happened to the Jag F type V6 with a stick :suspicious:

[Tapioca]

Can you not tell everyone the truth, trying to get discounts over here on a 20 year old BMW wagon

BMW probably knows this better than most, which is why you can no longer buy a manual BMW except in M-trim in North America, considering all of the bellyaching from enthusiasts.

[supafamous]

I'm glad the manual is on the top trim rather than the base trim which seems to have become the norm. Disappointed but not surprised by the CVT - thought they'd put the 8DCT in there since it's paired with the 1.5T motor in China. Guess development budget didn't allow for it.

Getting very curious what the Type S of this looks like - I'm assuming it'll make less power than the CTR (272hp?) but will it be FWD or SH-AWD? Without SH-AWD why would anyone buy it over a CTR?

[!Aznboi128]

Type - S should be 2L turbo, 252 hp and FWD. There's no way they would put the money in to make it sh-awd.

[Traum]

Photos and video of the production car is now available:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fePUO0lMRPY

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/meet-production-2023-acura-integra/

The blue hides some of the ugliness in the yellow, but it is just exactly that -- less ugly, which means it is still ugly LOL~

[!Aznboi128]

You can find the press release here - https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases/an-icon-for-the-next-generation-2023-acura-integra-revealed-as-a-premium-performance-gateway-for-a-new-generation

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/ac23cfbeade9899d51b15d9b9a8e8b286eccb04d/preview-928x522.jpg

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/c5ab77dadb29d5412b6548a6c85c49a070bac306/preview-928x522.jpg

https://wieck-honda-production.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/7301bb84d253793547bcae5808f3b382e7d047e4/preview-928x522.jpg