[dark0821]

Hey Revscene, not sure if this is the right section, but I guess it gets the most traffic. Its gonna be a long read

Anyhow, I am thinking of taking a leap of faith and go into car sales at an openroad dealership. As the interview date creeps closer, I am starting to get cold feet, so I just want your thoughts.

Some background info:
Currently:
- been working as sales at a signage and graphics place for full 9 years (started july 2013)
- 9 to 5 job with weekends and holidays off
- full benefits (extended health + dental for the whole fam)
- making about 60 to 70k a year
- paid 4 weeks vacation a year
- very stable, and performance wise, doing good, can probably retire on it as I have retained enough clients to reoccuring work orders to safely breeze pass sales targets


Obligations:
- 20+ yrs left on my mortgage
- sole income earner in the fam
- daughter + son starting grade 5 and grade 2 in Sept
- as you can see, broke ass and cant afford shit
- maybe wife can go back to the work force once kids get older, but I have 0 help from both sides of grand parents on this front. So she wont make enough to cover the costs of both kids in child care. Hence the need to wait till both kids can stay home legally by themselves.

Reasons for the leap/ what I think car sales will be like?
- let's face it, I dont dream about signage and graphics, it was a stable job with a stable income, came at the right time as I took on a mortgage and starting a family.
- Wifey says I come home grumpy more and more often, and she can see that I dont enjoy it
- limited growth as it is a small team, basically 6 man operation including owner, and sales are done by me + owner only, 4 guys are design/production/installation. Not really anywhere for me to "go", and not like a larger "firm" if there is a type of thing for signage is gonna be much better? I dont see a way up unless I open up my own shop?
- car sales will probably mean trying to be at the dealer 24/7, losing all holidays
- losing all benefits of extended health + dental?
- most likely taking a pay cut at the beginning (especially with the current car inventories), but potential to make more?
- more growth opportunity, can try to make it to the top sales position like TOFU, or go up from sales to financial advisor/manager eventually?

Anyways, the reason why I even got the interview is through recommendation of a friend, or else I doubt I will get the chance as I have 0 car sales experience. All my knowledge comes from youtube videos from the past week.

I am in my mid-30s, I believe making a change now is still somewhat viable, no one wants to train up a noob when they are in their mid 40s.

So here we are, thoughts/suggestions/insights/reason for/against?

Sorry for the long post, thanks guys.

[Badhobz]

Heres my take:

As the sole breadwinner you need stability. It doesn't matter what you do for a job, as long as you can provide for the family and ensure your kids and wife has a roof over their heads. Almost everyone's job is unfulfilling to a certain extent and i think your wife is just being considerate of your feelings (while also acknowledging your stress).

You could branch out and try something new, but i really dont know a lot of "happy" car salesmen either. The payouts per car are miniscule nowadays (my LC 500 sales guy got a whopping 600 dollars for that deal).

May i suggest trying something thats unionized or find a trade that youre interested in? If you had a red seal heavy duty mechanic certificate there are 30+ 200k+ a year job waiting for you at the waterfront. I know schooling might be out of the picture but might be something to consider.

Either way, with that much burden, and so many people counting on you, i would say the safest course is the right course.

[Gerbs]

You're super young but unless you have maybe 1 years of savings, I don't think you can handle the risk of a commission job. If you do I'd totally give it a try. You can grow your career at the dealerships and the salesman in the top 40% percentile should be around $60 - 80K/year? With the upper 10% making $120K+ ?

My friend is a sales manager and he showed me his direct deposit was close to $25K/month. I think the top-end will be worth it, since it'll give you some upwards trajectory to work towards. He's almost 30 and was selling cars since he was 19. The finance managers in there are also making $150 - 250K.

On the other note, I'm genuinely curious how are you surviving with 2 kids and a stay at home wife. Most of my friend circle are 1.5x+ that on a single income and are contemplating not having kids lol. I think maybe because we are stuck on $2,500 - 3,000 payments on a 1BR condo.

Do you wanna make more money or do you wanna find fulfillment? Because if you have to funds and time to transition careers. I think going back to a trade or something stable like accounting might be worth it. Quick 5 year route to $100K, and the late game can be $200K+

[The Producer]

this is going to sting a bit - please don't take it personally. I'm saying this because you have actively asked for career advice.

you're in a bit of a mid career crisis.


- Wifey says I come home grumpy more and more often, and she can see that I dont enjoy it


this is something you can actively change without jeopardizing your ability to take care of your family. Your obligation to do that easily exceeds your requirement to have a good time at your job.

Mix things up at your current employer. See if you can spend a day down in production and get your hands dirty once in awhile. Can you go out on some installs? that's a fun day.

I'm sort of in the same industry. All of my angst and frustration comes from my interactions on the sales and business side. When I can spend I day using my hands and getting back on the tools I remember what a great job it is that I have.

We all wish we could just do something we love - and I'm sure driving cool cars around and making deals is sweet. I'll bet the meetings, and the quotas and the low man on the pole extra hours and junk work suck tho. There's no way I'd start from the bottom again unless I was financially independent.

[dark0821]

Removed.

[Matsuda]

I get where you are coming from. But your family needs financial stability. I think as also a father, it'd be hard to switch careers and kind of start over. Especially in something like car sales. As Producer said, trying different roles at work can help alleviate some of the stress and boredom of your day to day.

Trying a new career and taking a financial income hit will be hard and stressful especially if you are going to be losing your benefits for you and your family. Also you'll be working weekends most likely. Sure there may be room to grow in sales but can you survive financially and mentally till you get to that point where you are comfortable enough?

[Traum]

As the sole breadwinner you need stability. It doesn't matter what you do for a job, as long as you can provide for the family and ensure your kids and wife has a roof over their heads. Almost everyone's job is unfulfilling to a certain extent and i think your wife is just being considerate of your feelings (while also acknowledging your stress).


I completely agree with Badhobz's take on your financial needs and situation. Esp when we are supposedly headed towards a potential recession, having a stable job that pays the bill is rather important.

This doesn't mean you shouldn't consider jumping ship, since the labour market is pretty hot these days, with a lot of places looking for capable people. So you should definitely keep exploring available options.

Another potential route is to look for a side hustle. By this, I don't mean just taking on any available 2nd job to help pay the bills. You'd want to look into something that you enjoy doing, and see whether you can turn that into a side hustle that can generate some supplemental income. If it works out, that could potentially help you financially as well as make you happier.

I suppose this is a bit of a rarer case, but I actually know someone who started a side hustle based on a hobby that he enjoys. Then over the course of a few years, because he was doing an excellent job in that side hustle, he actually made the plunge and quit his old job to focus entirely on his side hustle as his only job. Needless to say, he is having the time of his life now.

[jcmaz]

I worked at a dealership for 3 years and not going to lie all 3 years were miserable. You will probably receive some sort of sales training in a boardroom with other green sales guys. Most will wash out after 3 months.

ABC - Always be closing! You have to close that deal even though buddy guy has 10k negative equity or you hosed him on the trade in. ABC!!!!

Cold calling - Hi, this is so and so from Insert Dealer Name. We'd like to buy you car so when can you come in for an appointment :) Or we have a sales event in 2 weeks and we'd LOVE you to come by , enjoy some snacks, and check out the new cars. Which day works best for ya? - now imagine being given a list early in the day and all you do is call call call.

Looks at the sales board, only two deliveries this month. How to feed the family???? Commission sucks unless you are savage in sales. You'll be working easily 50+ hours and no weekends off. Imagine being on your phone during your kid's recital to send details to clients so you can get an appointment.

They taught us the 30% rule. 30% of the calls you make will probably turn into appointments. 30% appointments turn into deals. (Even that seems high thinking about it now). My ratio was like 10-12%???

Most sales that I know worked HARD to become SM and they took years to get there. And sorry to burst you bubble but everyone wants to be a finance manager. That's one of the $$$ positions since most don't know you can still haggle for stuff in there.

If you really want to know what it is like, go apply for a PT lot attendant position and actually see what the guys do. If you like it, then make the jump. If not, then consider something else.

As for me, I decided family and waifu was more important and switched to a trades job instead. First year is hard financially but I broke even in my second year with all the over time we have at work.

[jaretron]

Yeah, I don't agree with anyone's recommendations here. Fear and comfort will hold you back, stepping out of your comfort zone is where you will find real growth and happiness.
You have 9 years sales experience with the same company, that says a lot, mostly that you are loyal and good at what you do.
I would take the interview, but don't lock yourself into the idea of working in car sales. Every company I've worked at has a sales department and there are tons of opportunities for you. One of my good friends made $90,000 a year selling janitorial supplies, not so glamourous but that lead him into other opportunities.
You deserve to be happy, and that's going to be a greater gift to your family then being miserable and left wondering what else could have been out there.

[JDMDreams]

Any more insights on what kinda trade? But yes I wouldn't recommend it either. Especially at this time, we are in a recession. Don't let the gov lie to you. We just haven't seen the pain from the interest rate hikes, housing down turn, markets of bad earnings. Cars are discretionary goods, you don't NEED a brand new car, and what are you gonna eat when the dealer has nothing to sell. Car bubble, house bubble has burst already, prices will continue to fall as the gov is adamant on raising the rates. Just ask realtors and mortgage brokers how they are doing.

And this is best case soft landing scenario. If shit hits the fan, more Coronas, monkey pox, WW3, or China lock down. Things will get even worse.

How much savings do you have? What if it tanks another 30% are you able to ride that out. Or your wife easily find a job? Amazon, Uber? Those probably will all pay better than a commission entry sales job at this point. And I agree with what the others have said sales commission job = no life, no work no food, I think that will strain your family relationship even more.

[TypeRNammer]

I have to agree with Badhobz

Jumping into a unionized or trades job will offer stability compared to car sales where you will take a pay cut and possible benefits and vacation cuts too.

Myself personally I took a job as a transit operator at Translink. This was the decision I took as it offered stability and help keeps a roof and food on the table for my family.

The job isn't pleasant as it is Seniority based, and it takes a couple of years to get to top wage at $36.71 an hour. And if you're at the bottom, you have to bid on crappy shifts on a seasonal basis.

But you are guaranteed your hours of 37.5 a week, part of a union, pension, medical and dental. 3 weeks paid vacation with the option of banking your stats for an additional 2 weeks, and banking over time upwards of 2 weeks.

Considering that I'm under the Translink umbrella, tons of room to grow and move around with a fallback plan if things don't work out.

[inv4zn]

I know some car salesguys, and even when they make $80K+ they are miserable.

You're tied to work because the longer you work (ie. texting with potential clients off hours, etc.) the better your chance for a sale, and like someone said, there is a bit of a personal aspect to it. You have to bite your tongue when the 25 year old with $20k negative equity is rolling that into a new BMW, and you have to tell families their financing was denied. And if you end up working for a shitty dealership you have to sell your own soul.

Is there any way to make your current work more interesting for you? Talk to your boss, after 9 years of solid work you should have a pretty good relationship with him/her, just be honest. If I were your boss I'd do what I can to try and keep you on board.

Also...shit, I'd give up having grandparents coming to babysit for $250K...lucky bastard.

[punkwax]

Not unique to cars but many products have long lead times these days so I’d suggest finding out if commissions are paid when the deal is signed or when the product is actually delivered/paid in full. I’d assume the latter based on people being able to cancel deposits etc.

If you sell 10 cars in your first month but won’t get commissions for several months, possibly 1 or 2 years and perhaps even longer can your family afford to survive on base salary alone? Maybe that’s the bigger question. If you’re banking on commissions to help pay the bills I’d suggest commissioned sales isn’t the right move at this moment in time.

It’s a very real problem in today’s world for commissioned salespeople. If you decide to pursue it further, don’t be afraid to ask if they can make you whole on the commission side for the first year since the situation is outside of your control. Or at least see if they have a plan in place to help out with new hires.

Pretty sure using the word commission 6 times in one post is a new RS record :cool:

[RiceIntegraRS]

I just skimmed thru some of the responses but what does ur wife do when ur kids are at school from 8am-3pm? If your looking to make life abit easier at minimum she would have to goto work. I have 2 kids that arent even in school yet. My wife will have to goto work once shes off mat leave and we have to pay for childcare for both of them. We will work out the dropoff and pickup situations like we did for our first.

At the moment im the sole earner of the family and its pretty tough to have alil extra at the end of the month. She has to work period. I was kinda in a similar situation as u trying to looking for a higher paying job but having it not work out was not an option for me.

edit* Im actually pretty mindblown that u been able to make it work being the sole provider, making "only" 60-70k a year with 2 kids. Dont hear stories like this no more, especially in Vancouver.

[68style]

Yah wtf wife thinks she can be a stay at home mom unless her hubby is a lawyer or doctor these days in Van? That's the craziest part of this whole post to me is that she doesn't contribute at all.

I don't think car sales is a fun job even if you love cars... in fact it would likely kill your love for cars... sucks to be competing with your coworkers constantly and having to pretend to be buddies but really being a lone wolf looking for your meal.

[g-velocity]

I have been in sales for over 15 years with 8 years in car sales.
Sometimes I do training with rookies as well and I have something to share.
There are some true and false information that people are providing.
Not all sales person are crooks.
You may come across more crooked sales people in domestic (especially because that's their culture) or low end brands.
Most luxury brand clients are not going to be stupid enough to let you roll $20g negative equity unless they see the value of it no matter how hard you tried.
They are very sensitive to numbers and that's why they are financially healthy for a luxury vehicle.
There are lots of good honest people in the industry.

Nice thing about commission sales is there are unlimited possibilities if you are good at it.
Down side is the key word, "Good at it".
There are sales people working 6 days a week pin to pin but making minimum wage and people making over $150g annually in the same dealership.
Jumping on every possibly prospects does not guarantee a good income.
Again, have to be good at it.
An average sales person (not miserable and not sales super star) would make approx. $60g~80g annually and a good superstar would make a healthy 6 figures but not necessary have to people off the cliff.

Another down side is stress and time.
People will not just come in and buy from you like some people thought.
Customers will go shop for the best price and even you gave him your best price they might still not budge.
Sometimes people would just walk in and buy but that's once in a blue moon.
I have probably sold over 1500 cars since my career but there are no more than 10 people that bought like that.
Time off are equal to nothing once you are in car sales.
People don't care if it's your day off if they want to come in at that time.
You might able to work around it but you will think that might jeopardize the possible deal.

So if you are looking to enter the industry you have to ask yourself few questions:
Are you talkative?
Are you ready for unstable income?
Can you improvise and a fast thinker?
Are you willing to sacrifice your free time?
Are you able to take the stress when you don't make the sale?
And if you are bilingual or even trilingual that would helps a lot.

Now why am I doing it for so many years?
I make a very good pay cheque.
I enjoy doing it and i like the challenge.
I can talk to people with similar interest and many of them turned into actual friends.
And I make a very good pay cheque.

There are always people asking me if they should enter the business and I always said "car sales job is not for everyone".

That's just my 2 cents.

[Gumby]

Yah wtf wife thinks she can be a stay at home mom unless her hubby is a lawyer or doctor these days in Van? That's the craziest part of this whole post to me is that she doesn't contribute at all.
Woah who said his wife is contributing nothing? Being a stay home mom is NOT an easy job (unless she just sits on her ass all day watching tv or going shopping). Maybe OP’s wife preps meals and does cooking, wash dishes, buy groceries, taking care of the kids, laundry, take kids to appointments, etc.

These are some of the things my wife does - she quit her job after our second child turned 4 (he’s 8 now) because the grandparents were getting old and they had to direct their energy to other younger grandkids that needed their attention. During Covid, not once did I have to stress about school closures because my wife could be with the kids. Or any time a kid is feeling unwell, no problem. Another benefit is that she gets to watch our kids grow up, something that can be very difficult to experience if both parents are too busy working.

I’m very fortunate to be ok financially (not a lawyer or doctor) to be the sole income earner. But that means “big” trips only once every few years, driving 15+ year old cars, no fancy restaurants, etc. Got into the real estate market many years ago before thing got out of hand.

Being a stay home mom is a thankless job and by far more difficult than my paid job.

[insomniac]

Not a car sales but after reading your comment about your significant other commenting on mood upon coming home I have been in a similar situation.

Been a sales for 8 years now and been working in luxury sales for 5~ years now. Conversion rate for any product over 4 figures will be very low as the commitment level will be high with competition all over the city as well. Not only do you have to deal with customers but you may also find yourself competing with coworkers for walk ins and management with sales targets.


CX jobs are one of the most mentally exhausting jobs as you have to be on your best behavior. You have to be able to be compassionate, calm and have a lot of patience and that doesn't come overnight; you don't just sell the product you will have to sell yourself too. Having pressure from your family and sales pressure on top of that wont be easy. Not being able to understand how to deal with that pressure and stress may cause more problems for you after work with the family.

Not against you switching jobs to a sales role but just wanted to give you a heads up on the mentally tolling aspects of being a sales.

With all that being said, its a long road to success as strategies come with experience and time. I love being a sales as its a different scenario every time and the reward gives a high that's unmatched.

[TOS'd]

Is realtor as bad/good of an idea as car sales?

[Badhobz]

^not in this current recession. Maybe last year or the year before it was pretty dang lucrative.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Woah who said his wife is contributing nothing? Being a stay home mom is NOT an easy job (unless she just sits on her ass all day watching tv or going shopping). Maybe OP’s wife preps meals and does cooking, wash dishes, buy groceries, taking care of the kids, laundry, take kids to appointments, etc.


I originally brought it up cause ive done the stay at home parent thing for a year. When my son was only a 1 year old. It wasnt easy but everything u mentioned was done by me b4 my wife got home from work and it wasnt as hard people might think. Now OPs kids are in elementary for 7+ hrs that why i asked what does the OPs wife do?

To each to there own but ive noticed in my circle of friends, the familes with sole earners and with stay at home moms are way more stressed out. Dads are burnt the fuck out trying to provide for the family dont even get time to spend with their kids(how many times have we heard this story?) My wifes mat leave money ran out so i have to stay at work longer to make more money, thats less time i get to spend with my kids.

While familes where both parents work, both parents share household responsibilies seem to be more happy. Having the wife work is also a huge benefit to her aswell as she gets to be out and conversating be social with adults rather than be at home all day. Again its up to the family but id rather have more money coming in, more money in the bank, have the financial security that money brings than have a 3 course meal after i get home from work, or have a completely spotless house. IMO sharing the workload at home and financially is the way to go.

[trollface]

"I have a huge help from both sides of grandparents, they each chipped in 250K, so I had a 500K downpayment."

Holy shit lol.

[meme405]

Jumping into a unionized or trades job will offer stability compared to car sales where you will take a pay cut and possible benefits and vacation cuts too.


Woah woah woah.

Jumping into trades, yeah sure. That's an excellent idea. I'll always stand by that decision.

But you dont have to use that dirty "U" word.

I like how everyone uses the term union and stable as if one leads to the other as a given. It's junk, anyone can have stable employment, you just have to not be an idiot, and work while you are at work.

Not saying there isn't unstable work out there, if you take a seasonal job like being a lifty at cypress, then of course its going to be unstable, but if you take a normal job like sales, or trades you dont need a union for stability, you just need to not be a crappy worker.

Anyway, unless I missed something nowhere does OP state he wants to get into trades.

IMO now is not the time to make changes, I would wait to see what happens to our economy, we have already seen a huge slowdown, it could start to get better by next year, or things could stay depressed for awhile longer. Either way I think the next year will be a bad time in car sales as people's financials really take a hit.

[!Aznboi128]

Here's my take, as a father I can relate to your vision. Coming home unhappy sucks, I did that for a few years and decided to do something else but back then I had less to worry about.

Does it have to be trades/car sales? Is there something else that would give you back your joy?

IMO, having that 9-5 Monday to Friday just makes thing easier. With your kids going to school the weekends are the times you're going to spend the most with them. For anything in sales, weekends are your money makers so if you want to do well there you're not going to be home on the weekends. I switched to a 9-5 just so I can spend more time with my family and I think that's one of the biggest factors. The second would be the extended benefits, dental work, short term disability etc all of that is huge. You never know when you'll need it but when you do everything is expensive.

I know it's hard to balance work, life and where you're happiest but as a father we all make sacrifices for the family.

[68style]

Woah who said his wife is contributing nothing? Being a stay home mom is NOT an easy job (unless she just sits on her ass all day watching tv or going shopping). Maybe OP’s wife preps meals and does cooking, wash dishes, buy groceries, taking care of the kids, laundry, take kids to appointments, etc.
.

Sorry I didn't mean to say she was literally doing nothing, I'm well aware of how had it is to be a mom... my sister is a single mom to 2...

I meant nothing in the financial sense of the word. That is an extremely rare situation in the lower mainland now... I grew up in a house where only my dad worked and that was the norm back then, but now it is definitely the exception.

I will say a key thing for both people working is assistance from grandparents or family... because if the wife or husband doesn't make more after taxes than daycare costs, there's not nearly as much point (unless they see themselves climbing the ladder in fairly short order). My parents pick my sister's kids up from school almost every day and keep them until she's off work and now in the summer if they're not in some kind of camp they're at my parents. I see that it's very hard on my parents too, they're pretty old -- my mom is getting close to 80 now and thankfully physically speaking she's still buzzing around walking everywhere. Lots of people are not so fortunate at that age.

On topic I think OP should only make a change if he can't make some of the things The Producer said work (asking if he can try some different duties at his small signage company)... or is there any chance of going to a big company involving signage like Pattison? They have an entire sign/advertising division I think... which is also kind of (at least by company name) linked to dealerships and car sales in fact I think they operate out of the same office (Jim Pattison Lease in Burnaby). I hope you can find what makes you happy... I definitely know the feeling of being unhappy about your job and I don't even have kids, but I also have a pretty narrow and specialized skillset, so finding anything else is very tough for me... but I feel that if you are in sales with your experience, you have a lot of opportunities in a variety of fields -- usually places hire salespeople based more on their ability to sell than their knowledge of an industry... that can be learned rather quickly most places.

[BIC_BAWS]

On topic I think OP should only make a change if he can't make some of the things BIC_BAWS said work (asking if he can try some different duties at his small signage company)... or is there any chance of going to a big company involving signage like Pattison?

Wait hold on, don't drag me into this. I didn't say nothing! I got my own (quarter) life crisis to deal with lmao

[Wormiez]

Here are my two cents, you have nine years in signage and graphics and want to get into sales for a possible more lucrative career. Leverage your experience and look into positions in wide-format and graphic sales. IF that doesn't work out in sales, you can return to the graphics industry as a technician.

Companies like, Xerox, HP, Epson, ND Graphics are all hiring account managers. An individual with industry experience, with the ability to communicate well, will do well. This is a low risk move and within a year will be a profitable position.

[trollface]

All the reps i deal with from Xerox/Hp etc are all kids fresh out of school and don't last more than 1 year.

[68style]

Wait hold on, don't drag me into this. I didn't say nothing! I got my own (quarter) life crisis to deal with lmao

My bad... it was Producer... had in my head that it was you

[bcrdukes]

Whatever you do, do NOT move to Toronto.

[TOS'd]

Whatever you do, do move to Toronto.

[GLOW]

i had 1 or 2 of these types of career shifts in my career. i find the older i get the harder the drastic change.

most recently was 5 years ago, i made a switch but built off of the skillset i already had. current job was equally busy, but the grinding pressure wasn't there, which allowed me to relax and flourish, allowed me to learn more and grow, which kept me engaged

my wife told me that i had a personality change, i seemed happier. that's not to say i didn't enjoy or wasn't happy at my last place, i could have worked until retirement there. but i think the pressure of that job, i took that home with me and it showed. maybe not to me, but to those around me.

if you want to make a switch, i think you should look at what you want to do career wise for the long term and make a choice based on that. switching from graphics to car sales, do you have a plan/goals for the auto industry for the next 5 years, 10 years?

what are your interests? what do your strengths?

i'd love to get a red seal, but with my office hands i'd lose many fingers :lol
so I know my strength is best on a computer or table with a set of drawings and found my place there.

[dark0821]

Removed.

[68style]

Your boss is a fucking dickbag, I know that much.

What kind of manager says “stop being yourself” to their employees… and no rapport just because they’re suppliers? Holy fuck reading that was hard. I guess you’re used to it but I’d punch the motherfucker out if he talked to me like that every day.

Especially the girlfriend comment / insinuation talk about unnecessary.

[dachinesedude]

your boss is most likely not on RS but not sure if it's a good idea to post that stuff on public sites

[GIZZ]

your boss is most likely not on RS but not sure if it's a good idea to post that stuff on public sites

same reason I didn't post about my life in the dealerships the last 27 years.

[GIZZ]

Try to get into a translink, skytrain, city, govt. Good hours, benefits, pension, you get to take breaks. Way better work/life balance. The downsides I see with these slack jobs, you may be bored out of your mind and the pay won't be as good as a top dealer hustler.

[GS8]

I'm a turnip

:derp:

[jcmaz]

I did a trade with a mortgage and what not. First year is literally being paid min wage to work out. You can always take out student loans (no interest right now) and there are grants available too.

Since you said you have a decent amount saved up, why not try it out? Send call around and see if any companies are needing apprentices

[inv4zn]

So...

1: You should probably delete that photo, at most places that's grounds for termination.
2: Your boss is a dick.
3: You're not unhappy with signage or the actual work that you do, you're unhappy with your workPLACE. Maybe you're not passionate about signage, but to me the only reason you're asking this question in the first place isn't because you're looking for a career change, you're looking for reinforcement to leaving what is pretty clearly a shitty place to work, under the guise of a career change.

I would drop the car sales thing entirely, because to me it honestly sounds like it's the first job that came to your mind, not because you're actually interested in it. If you start at a dealership and the GM there is also a bag of dicks, then what - will you want to be a fireman next?

As a complete stranger, I 100% agree you should leave your workplace now (on good terms, which is why you should delete that photo). But leverage your experience and hard/soft skills to advance your current path while minimizing risk to your family. Look for actual jobs in your field.

tl;dr - do some soul searching, IMO you don't need a new career. You just need a new job, but are afraid.

[ButterFingers]

Few things I wanted to go over:

Have you ever considered moving towards a cheaper cost of living area (either outside vancouver) or downsizing to a 2 bedroom apartment to reduce mortgaged amount. If you do not see that as an option, have you considered renting out a section of the home or single rooms?

I dont know what it's like being a mom nor wife, but I feel a lot of things can be taught to your kids, especially if the biggest kid is around 10/11. Whether it be laundry, washing dishes or house keeping. I know groceries can now be bought and carted online and picked up in store to reduce physical labour.

Also, since during morning the kids are at school that means after work/school hours, both yourself and your wife are at home. If you are able to, do you think you are able to help out with her workload after work hours? This could enable her to work during morning hours like yourself, where hours after work are shared parenting responsibilities when kids are home.

I also know there are a lot of work from home jobs nowadays, but whether they have it for entry roles I am unsure, but that could be an option for your wife. It could also be an option for yourself as well. It would allow you to allocate some of your wife's workload towards yourself during work hours. Hence enabling more ability for your wife to work.

I do get that your boss is a dick, but it also goes a long way when acting professional at a workplace ie. Using less slangs and proper grammer when replying in a professional work setting. The way people respond in a professional manner reflects themselves in a better light (not saying you are a bad worker, but it builds a picture)

[TypeRNammer]

Try to get into a translink

Get to drive a million dollar company vehicle, and your own corner office with an ever changing view.

:lawl:

[GLOW]

-agree on deleting screen
-decepticon icon but talks about being professional :lol
-seems to have an older generation mentality of sales, or primitive; sales - much like anything else in life, is all about relationships, you won't get far from used and abused; -
-i agree an important question is are you thinking of leaving your job b/c of him? if he didn't exist, would you be OK? i remember reading something on linkedin that ppl don't leave jobs, they leave toxic environments/bosses
-re: gov jobs, i would say many positions (at least higher tier) are not necessarily 'slack'. you may have more time to breath & think (or not), but you will also have more red tape and government policies to go through. a 5min process in private may take 5 days in gov... also you'll need to see what skills are transferable for the good positions. something to consider. i agree private you will make more, but gov can be a rewarding career path as well, especially if you've spent time in private and know how the private sector works.

hope whatever you decide works out for you, any options of lateral or inter-dept change so that you don't answer to him? if so would that make your life a bit easier?

[Badhobz]

Seems toxic.

I find most smaller businesses are very vested in this old school way squeezing profits from their vendors / suppliers. That being said, with that decepticon avatar, may i deduce that this guy probably inherited this business from his parents? likely 30-40 years of age as thats a generational thing.

I find these type of guys most annoying. Reminds me of this guy from that movie Horrible Bosses 2

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTM0NDM1MjkxMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNTU2MTQ2NQ@@._ V1_.jpg

For the safety and security of your family, plz delete that post (mods maybe help him out on this so its done asap?)

p.s. wtf kinda operating system are you on!? how old is that computer !?!?!??! looks like windows NT or XP here

[bcrdukes]

I'll chime in with my two cents. Be prepared for a long ramble so my apologies in advance.

Some background for context: I am in a managerial position with nine direct reports spread geographically throughout Ontario and Quebec but responsible for a customer base primarily in Canada but also globally. I have worn many hats including working in a front line role/support, technical, financial, and now managerial.

I don't know the circumstances behind your online chat with your manager, but based on only what I am reading, my take it that these are the type of discussions to be had over a video conference or phone call, or in person. He's providing you some feedback but it doesn't look very constructive or helpful, which is probably one of the reasons why you are starting to become unhappy, or at least it gives the impression he's being a jerk, which may or may not be intentional.

I won't dig into the line-by-line discussion you had with your manager but yes, "yo, what's up" with your supplier is not something I would find professional with my team. I had a younger team member exhibiting this behaviour with a vendor and I had to stamp it out because that's when the vendor started to begin to take advantage of him which in turn impacted his work. When we turned that around, the dynamic changed where it became a balance of power between us and the vendor and that's when things came back to become a two-way street.

In any case, I can only surmise that your aren't necessarily unhappy with your work, but perhaps leadership is lacking at your work place and it may be holding you back. I'll go out of my way to say that you've become comfortable in your role (nothing wrong with that because this is natural) but perhaps your instincts are telling you it's time for a challenge.

I think it's evident that you love and care about your family so you want to do what's best for them, but also you need to look out for yourself. You've built up enough skills in the industry, both hard and soft skills to make a lateral move or a move into a related industry. A lot of people in this thread have provided some really good insight and suggestions (i.e. Wormiez) and it's up to you to polish yourself up and start applying.

I went through this phase myself a year or two ago where I felt like it was time for me to move out of my industry and chase the next big title and/or more money. I landed a number of interviews and some lucrative offers, but only to realize I was going to be working with managers similar to the example you provided. Was the grass going to be greener on the other side? No. Not always. Had I left, I'd have to build up all that political, social, industry capital all over again. Ultimately, I stayed after thinking about my situation in that I am well challenged, well compensated, and I have great bosses and an amazing team. My employer has taken good care of me and I learned what my worth was by going through this process.

A few immediate suggestions/action items for you:
1. As others suggested, delete the image as soon as possible. You should not risk your professional reputation and job. Vancouver is a very small place.
2. Take the opportunity to speak to your manager on some development opportunities and coaching sessions on what he expects of you. It's on you to take the initiative to understand where he's coming from and this may be his managerial style which we, as professionals, have to adapt to
3. Consider taking a continuing education course or program in the evening at any college or university (college being cheaper and likely just as good) I find that going to school every few years is a good for professional development. Something as simple as business writing or business communications is a good start to curb your professional behaviour with your vendors :)

Hope this helps!

[Euro7r]

Suggestion is to update resume and apply for other opportunities. If you get interviews that is great, if not you still can fall back on this stable paying job you currently have. No harming in applying for other opportunities, just need to make that initial step of faith. Obviously don't just take whatever for the sake of leaving, as you still have to pay bills and provide for family. Eg. If there is a better opportunity or even a parallel move, I'd jump on it.

I was in similar boat as OP couple years ago, comfortable stable job. Could stayed there my entire career. I had most things, like show up late, take very long lunch breaks (2-3 hours), good benefits etc. Eventually left because management wasn't fair in compensating me when I was the top performing employee on the team. Would save the company easy $100k a year, they would give me $0 of that. So I just said, fuck this and found a better job.

[FatalCloud]

sigh, this is close to my heart because i've had the same feelings. i make about 55k a year, really good pension and benefits though, can't really move up but i'm in my early 40's, not sure if i want an extreme job change. and my 1br condo is paid off, can't afford to upgrade to a house though, have a daily car and a sports car both paid off too but can't afford to track it. just try to be happy with what you have. it's sort of a factor why me and my wife not really have kids, i know she wants a kid though. (she does have a job too) would having a kid make us happy? i know lots of ppl say it's worth it, but the $ and stress at this point in my life, i just can't bother. can't really afford to travel to europe etc either. err, i actually can probably afford to travel but saving $ for the case if we need to upgrade to a house or have kids. plus with cost of living these days yikes. i've thought of doing a side job of driving for uber or food delivery like skip, anyone have experience? is it ok $? anyways, i'm all over the place with my rambling

[HonestTea]

Just an FYI, GS8's quoted message also has the image within.

[68style]

sigh, this is close to my heart because i've had the same feelings. i make about 55k a year, really good pension and benefits though, can't really move up but i'm in my early 40's, not sure if i want an extreme job change. and my 1br condo is paid off, can't afford to upgrade to a house though, have a daily car and a sports car both paid off too but can't afford to track it. just try to be happy with what you have. it's sort of a factor why me and my wife not really have kids, i know she wants a kid though. (she does have a job too) would having a kid make us happy, i know lots of ppl say it's worth it, but the $ and stress at this point in my life, i just can't bother. can't really afford to travel to europe etc either. err, i actually can probably afford to travel but saving $ for the case if we need to upgrade to a house or have kids. plus with cost of living these days yikes. i've thought of doing a side job of driving for uber or food delivery like skip, anyone have experience? is it ok $? anyways, i'm all over the place with my rambling

If your house and cars are paid off where’s your money going to? That sounds concerning if you don’t have any extra despite those massive expenses already discounted from your life.

You’re jsut waiting to die from this description, need to figure where your money is going and make changes to experience/enjoy things.

[trollface]

Budgets.

[Spoon]

sigh, this is close to my heart because i've had the same feelings. i make about 55k a year, really good pension and benefits though, can't really move up but i'm in my early 40's, not sure if i want an extreme job change. and my 1br condo is paid off, can't afford to upgrade to a house though, have a daily car and a sports car both paid off too but can't afford to track it. just try to be happy with what you have. it's sort of a factor why me and my wife not really have kids, i know she wants a kid though. (she does have a job too) would having a kid make us happy? i know lots of ppl say it's worth it, but the $ and stress at this point in my life, i just can't bother. can't really afford to travel to europe etc either. err, i actually can probably afford to travel but saving $ for the case if we need to upgrade to a house or have kids. plus with cost of living these days yikes. i've thought of doing a side job of driving for uber or food delivery like skip, anyone have experience? is it ok $? anyways, i'm all over the place with my rambling

What have you been up to the past two years? With no payments and limited spending opportunities, something's wrong if your savings didn't massively increase.

[quasi]

I just started reading this thread, I think a lot of what you're feeling is felt by so many.

The examples you posted about your boss, I deal with the same thing on the daily, I'm more about trying to build long term relationships because that's what I've found to work best to get me work and win projects later.

My boss tries to squeeze everyone, a few months ago we lost one client we've done some very profitable work for over the last few years because my boss was being a greedy prick on changes and not working with them, they want nothing to do with us, they took away a project they were going to award me and removed us from their bidders list.

We have another project we're working on, just started its probably a year long project. He's on holiday's and asks me to put in a change for him well he's away (He's pming this project) which is fine but he tells me the hours he wants me to charge them. I start arguing with him that we can't charge that, it's ridiculous, probably 4x what it's worth. He tells me to put it through anyway, I'm like fuck ok. Next day my phone starts blowing up, questions what's going on here why is this so high? A day later my email blows up from one of the higher ups for the this contractor that I've built a relationship with, I think his words were "this is fucking bullshit". I have to tow the company line and try and defend it hating fucking life and pissed off I got put in this position to begin with.

Sometimes I get bored at work and like you I really don't have any more movement I'm at the top of where I can get to other than taking my bosses job which isn't coming available anytime soon. I think about leaving and trying something else but they pay me well, let me work from home and let me pick what I want to work on, it's so hard to leave.

I had an opportunity 3 years ago to go out on my own with the perfect partner and turned it down, I think that decision is the one that I'll always wonder what if.

[bomberR17]

All the reps i deal with from Xerox/Hp etc are all kids fresh out of school and don't last more than 1 year.

So true lol my friend was working for Kyocera as account manager, actually lasted 2 years but decided to quit cause dead end job. High competition, low commission structure. Referred him to BMO instead lol.

My take is, if you want to take on a high risk high reward career, earlier the better. You already see the downsides when you are married, have kids, mortgages, etc. These things hold you back from taking the leap. But at the same time, definitely research and plan it out. There are many high risk high reward jobs you can do. Also don't let the slow market hinder you. In fact, it's easier to set up when markets are down. You have more time for meetings, sales planning, doing actual customer service, and personal training. If you jumped in when markets are hot, you'll be scrambling to complete tasks and sales and maybe up losing sales.

This is why I also taken the leap and became a mortgage specialist. These days even though things are slow, I actually have the time to develop relationships, hang out with realtors and other advisors. This will in turn provide long term stable growth.

[Roach]

I realize this thread has likely turned away from the automotive industry but as a GM in automotive retail I will still give my rambling thoughts in case anyone else is considering the field

- Working in sales you feel like all your peers are your friends. But more often then not there will be sharks on the floor who steal your leads and will do anything to get a commission and that includes stepping on you. Cliques can form. Drama can ensue.

- There are great customers but there are also horrible customers. Demanding, rude, and disloyal. Expectations are that you respond to their call or text at the drop of a dime. They are quick to try and deleverage you so they can try to gain an upper hand in the sales interaction. It's disheartening how some people feel they can treat product advisors because of their own perceptions of the industry.

- Management can be good. But management can also be absolutely horrible. Sometimes the guys who stuck around the longest or sold the most eventually become sales managers. That doesn't mean they are at all equipped to deal with having staff. If the sales manager is good - they may not last long as they get plucked and moved along to another store/role. This happens a lot in the multi-rooftop dealer groups. I'm not even going to get into the typical tension between a sales department and parts/service department trying to get things done for your deliveries.

This combination of fellow product advisors/customers/sales management can really ruin a day for you.

In addition to these factors, it is a tough time to be in the industry. There is an inventory storage. You can't sell from an empty cupboard. While factory orders are great, you are only paid when the car arrives and it is rolled. Used cars are scarce and dealers are having to overpay to bring in cars. If your sales manager is a dolt and hasn't done enough research they will often FAR overpay for a vehicle just to show their superiors that inventory is being brought in. When you try to sell that same car commission will be very minimal as there is virtually no mark-up on the car.

Beyond that, from a higher level perspective - I suspect that after COVID, manufacturers will no longer channel stuff vehicles to stores. The overhead of having a large lot with a bunch of new cars sitting and aging may be a thing of the past. There may soon be a world where the Tesla model of retail permeates to other manufacturers. Dealerships will act as order fulfillment and service centers. This may put a squeeze on the product advisor gravy trains that have existed. There is already a squeeze occurring on finance managers and I imagine this will continue downstream.

Kev

[Gerbs]

either. err, i actually can probably afford to travel but saving $ for the case if we need to upgrade to a house or have kids. plus with cost of living these days yikes. i've thought of doing a side job of driving for uber or food delivery like skip, anyone have experience? is it ok $? anyways, i'm all over the place with my rambling

Couple of q's, how much do you think you'd need to afford a kid? I feel like my mindset around this might be wayyy too high. I grew up in an immigrant family where nobody was home until 8PM, the food was essentially whatever was cheap and quick. Not every healthy and mostly processed. So my idea of having kids requires being able to feed kids the same as what I am eating now. Then if I add all that up the numbers don't make sense.

In regards to SKIP and UBER, from 2020 to 2021, me and my brother did that after work for fun. We were using 3 phones and doing multiple orders at once and managed to average $45/hour for the dinner rush hour every night. This died down to about $30 - 35/hour and wasn't worth it for us anymore considering gas and car depreciation. But it was pretty cool to pocket $120 - 150 extra every night which added up to around extra $400 - 800/week working 3 hours a night 3-5 days a week.

I know there are tons of immigrants that are grinding Uber Eats 7 days a week and clearing $2k/week working 65 hours. Uber driver averages $35/hour and is probably better but when you get that ride for a pick up on 318 East Hastings LOOL.

[FatalCloud]

^appreciate the info Gerbs

and i do have some savings in my account, i guess what i'm saying is i'm sitting on the $ to upgrade to bigger place to live/have kids vs travel/enjoy life vs get 2nd side job and enjoy both?

[Euro7r]

^appreciate the info Gerbs

and i do have some savings in my account, i guess what i'm saying is i'm sitting on the $ to upgrade to bigger place to live/have kids vs travel/enjoy life vs get 2nd side job and enjoy both?


Reminds me of my brother in law when I read what you wrote. He has a house with mortgage, works two jobs. Never made sense to me as he's single in his 40s, and doesn't feel he needs to change his life (doesn't travel, spend etc.). What's the point of accumulating all this wealth, might as well just enjoy it now when young; otherwise, he's just gonna be forced to pass it down to his sister when he retires (which is my wife) LOL. Can't take it with him, plus he's frugal (chances of him blowing all his wealth is slim to none).

I don't think any of us are ever ready in life for everything because there will never be a "right time" for anything. If we all knew the "right timing", we'd all be rich and not need to work. Just have to sit down to reflect, will you regret this in 10-15 years down the road what you didn't do (that's what I'll ask myself). This would tie in with the OP situation, will he have regrets if he stuck this through at his current employer. Once you get even further in older in age, you start to not want to take risky moves as the time to recover is diminished; hence, why young folks YOLO everything when they are young.

[Tapioca]

This is a good thread and is one of the reasons why I continue to come back here after all these years.

I’m 40 years old and have jumped industries twice in the past 5 years. I have gone through a similar situation as the OP. For background, I spent 13 years in the public sector and had a defined benefit pension, benefits, job security. However, once I became a father 7 years ago, I started to grow disillusioned with my professional development and asked myself, “Is this all I’m going to be?”

I see that many here are preaching safety and risk-aversion, but I also think that the world our parents had is vastly different than the world we have today. At some point, you have to take calculated risks. I have switched industries twice, all the while putting two kids through daycare and trading up our home.

It’s tough as the single income earner, I get that. I firmly believe that any decisions relating to your career have to have the full support of your spouse. On the other hand, your spouse also needs to share all of the burdens that are necessary to run a household in the modern age. There is significant value in having a stay at home parent, but there is also significant value in having two working parents today as well – not just from a dual income perspective, but to provide role models for your kids and also to have the ability to take calculated risks when it is necessary in your life. Whatever you do going forward, I would encourage you to have a conversation with your spouse about ways in which she can transition back into the workforce. It’ll take the pressure off of you and it will probably allow your wife to grow mentally and professionally as well.

I would not be so dismissive of the notion that your wife will not make enough money to pay for child care expenses (at this point in time, you only require before/after school care which is significantly less than daycare for toddlers). Even if your wife is netting a thousand or so a month after child care and transportation expenses, having her earn income is beneficial for your household in the long run as she’ll be contributing to CPP which will increase your overall income in retirement. You will also increase your buying power should you ever decide to upgrade your home in the future. The labour market for less experienced people is still very strong and you’ll find that organizations are still very much after people who show up on time and can at least put two sentences together and will easily pay 50K per year for those skills.

[Roach]

It's your own life too. I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that one shouldn't sit-still just because of life circumstances.

We live our life in chapters. I'm a firm believer in that. We have to take calculated risks and sometimes the end-game won't necessarily be more money. But I just can't fathom feeling stagnant or complacent in life because of an obligation to others.

I spent the first chapter of my career as an accountant. I actually enjoyed it as I was in the auto industry and got to experience the growth of a large dealer group through acquisitions and new store openings. Worked on many projects, grew our team and took a lot of pride in my work. Thought I would be an accountant forever due to the time investment of becoming one.

One day I was helping another General Manager set up his new store with budgeting and forecasting. Out of the blue he asked me if I ever considered being a sales manager. I refused and refused. Self-doubt is a powerful dream-killer and I hadn't sold a car in my life. He persisted and one day I thought - well, this person wants me enough so I at least won't get fired trying this.

Two years later he quit and put forth my name to be a GM. I was two years removed from being an accountant and thinking that was going to be my career forever.

Spent four years as a GM and threw it all away again - great pay, gas card, luxury demo and lengthy career with a great organization...decided to resign and try something new by opening a new business. It's been over 2 years of doing this now and I have to stop and think sometimes - how the heck did I get here?

Your life is too short to wonder what-if? If you have enough drive and truly want something then don't seek opinions. The timing isn't great right now, but you can't time everything in life.

Kev

[mikemhg]

Check the City of Burnaby job site, they're hiring quite a few in laborer/city worker positions.

My friend is one of the head hiring managers there and I recently helped a friend get a job with them.

If you need any help, let me know.

[noclue]

I don't think OP is the type to consider trades or manual labour.

I don't know if it's because of the high housing cost here but I noticed from my travels that a lot of people in Vancouver want safe/unionized jobs like public sector etc. I don't know if it's cause they need a steady source of income to service the massive mortgage payments but either way I think it stifles risk taking. In Calgary/Edmonton with its lower COL, I notice way more entrepreneurship/changing career/risk taking etc

Another thing I noticed is that people really don't want to leave Vancouver to improve their QoL. "My friends/family here" "The winter is warmer here" is nice and all but you can't enjoy it when you're stressed from low pay.

[dark0821]

Check the City of Burnaby job site, they're hiring quite a few in laborer/city worker positions.

My friend is one of the head hiring managers there and I recently helped a friend get a job with them.

If you need any help, let me know.

Thanks Mike, but your name + let me know... ahh the good old days. You never know, you will get a PM from me in 3 months hahaha as I burn thru what little savings I have.

I don't want to be a broken record. But thank you everyone, really. And I am glad this thread helped out a few fellow members too.

Can you imagine signing up for Revscene in high school and now getting life advices. And not a troll in sight haha.

Industry wise, I do want to stick to automotive if I can. Not sure how my education and skill set can get me anything else within the auto industry.

But yes, if I do decide to leave. I will defintely leave on good terms.

I don't know why, that question stuck out to me from Badhobz, you will be suprised to know that my work computer is Win7 with i9-9900k, 2080 and 32GB of ram. It's just that we run the system super lean, with all effects/visuals turned off haha. But yea, when you are opening client's 10GB illustrator print file... and want to make 1 stupid change....

[Badhobz]

ahhh makes sense. i thought it was like windows XP or something. hahaha

This place is amazing. I also signed up initially in highschool (but i forgot the login) and it used to be a very very different place. Now its just full of old-ish men who are full of wisdom and have nice families.

[trollface]

Can someone get me a job at the govt, pls.

I'm burned TF out. Been 3.6 years since I've had a single day off.

[Badhobz]

Why troll ? Why ? Why do dis

[trollface]

Why troll ? Why ? Why do dis

*Gestures in the general direction of apartments/condos/houses

[donk.]

Can you imagine signing up for Revscene in high school and now getting life advices. And not a troll in sight haha.



Donk has entered the chat

[EvoFire]

*Gestures in the general direction of apartments/condos/houses

A govt job isn't going to get you a house in Vancouver no more.

[trollface]

A govt job isn't going to get you a house in Vancouver no more.

No, but you can make the same money doing jack all. You have to murder your co-workers to get fired in govt.

[bcrdukes]

No, but you can make the same money doing jack all. You have to murder your co-workers to get fired in govt.

Might just get a slap on the wrist for that. :suspicious:

[trollface]

Not too hard i hope, I might take stress leave for 6 months.

[ssjGoku69]

Can someone get me a job at the govt, pls.

I'm burned TF out. Been 3.6 years since I've had a single day off.


Want to be an automotive painter for public transit (https://careers.translink.bc.ca/psc/EXT/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/HRS_HRAM_FL.HRS_CG_SEARCH_FL.GBL?Page=HRS_APP_JBPS T_FL&Action=U&FOCUS=Applicant&SiteId=1&JobOpeningId=20210692&PostingSeq=1)?


$45/hr plus benefits plus public service pension

[Simplex123]

Want to be an automotive painter for public transit (https://careers.translink.bc.ca/psc/EXT/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/HRS_HRAM_FL.HRS_CG_SEARCH_FL.GBL?Page=HRS_APP_JBPS T_FL&Action=U&FOCUS=Applicant&SiteId=1&JobOpeningId=20210692&PostingSeq=1)?


$45/hr plus benefits plus public service pension

Must have served a four-year apprenticeship in automotive painting and have journeyperson experience in vehicle preparation and spray painting
:badpokerface:

[Badhobz]

Just tell’em you spray and prayed a lot in fps. Must be relevant.

[BaoTurbo]

Take it from a Car sales guy, if you were to start now, you would spend a lot of time away from your family investing in your book of business and selling cars to make a living.

Pay plans are shrinking, work is increasing, and expected volume targets are higher each year.

In a nutshell, if I were you, I would stay away.

[68style]

I wish the doing jack all in govt job thing was true... my days are fucked every day

[TOS'd]

Take it from a Car sales guy, if you were to start now, you would spend a lot of time away from your family investing in your book of business and selling cars to make a living.

Pay plans are shrinking, work is increasing, and expected volume targets are higher each year.

In a nutshell, if I were you, I would stay away.
Or, you are trying to keep all the clients for yourself and not let OP have a piece of the pie! :suspicious:

[Dbone]

Another thing I noticed is that people really don't want to leave Vancouver to improve their QoL.

I moved to the island for this very reason. I can tell you, almost everyone I meet who are my age (40 with little kids) has moved here from Greater Vancouver in the last 0-5 years.

Many people who grew up in Vancouver are leaving.

[Klobbersaurus]

I moved to the island for this very reason. I can tell you, almost everyone I meet who are my age (40 with little kids) has moved here from Greater Vancouver in the last 0-5 years.

Many people who grew up in Vancouver are leaving.

i moved to vancouver in 2001 and moved back to the island in 2021, bought a house on an acreage, expenses have dropped quite a bit from living the simple life and i'm insuring 2 cars for less than the cost of 1 in vancouver

[VR6GTI]

i moved to vancouver in 2001 and moved back to the island in 2021, bought a house on an acreage, expenses have dropped quite a bit from living the simple life and i'm insuring 2 cars for less than the cost of 1 in vancouver

A Friend I know just did this
Took 2 months off, sold his house bought a place near the water and now has no mortgage, 2 kids

[Gerbs]

How much is insurance on the island? The younger folks in the early 20's to mid 20's moved to Van recently and they kept their insurance on the island, apparently it's half off even with accidents?

[dark0821]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to give everyone an update.

I went to the interview yesterday, and I am happy to say I was pretty much hired on the spot. I have taken them up on the offer and will be joining the OpenRoad Auto team by late Aug.

Now the monumental task of telling my boss about this news on Tuesday and give him my 2 weeks. Sigh... I have actually never quit a job before, so this is actually pretty nerve racking haha.

As for not wanting to leave Vancouver, unfortunately for me, that is not an option

1) my parents and my inlaws have 0 English skills, yes. 99% of things can be done in Chinese here, but the last 1% (like returning calls to specialist from doctor referrals, going with them to the Emergency room at the hospital, calling in repairs for shaw/telus/fortis/hydro, filling out all sorts of forms such as passport renewal and shit, something as simple as setting up Covid shots and getting the QR code as their phone lock screens) is all pretty much 100% on me.

2) The Chinese community, our diet is 100% asian at home, though i sneak out with the kids for "white food" loool. I am sure there are plenty of Chinese food/markets on the island. But the selection and accessbility of the Chinese food/items here is unparalleled.

#2 can be okay, even if we just make a trip once a month to the lower mainland and fill up our freezers, but reason #1 is pretty much carved in stone. There is no way around it, my in laws have 2 other daughters, but my parents only have me. So yea, basically my mom calls, and I show up LOL. Though my parents are super understanding, they don't call me unless their pants are on fire and I actively tell them that I am their son, it is my obligation and pleasure to help them. But my dad gets scolded by my mom everytime he calls me for help lol smh...

So yea =)

Have a nice long weekend everyone.

[BaoTurbo]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to give everyone an update.

I went to the interview yesterday, and I am happy to say I was pretty much hired on the spot. I have taken them up on the offer and will be joining the OpenRoad Auto team by late Aug.

Now the monumental task of telling my boss about this news on Tuesday and give him my 2 weeks. Sigh... I have actually never quit a job before, so this is actually pretty nerve racking haha.

As for not wanting to leave Vancouver, unfortunately for me, that is not an option

1) my parents and my inlaws have 0 English skills, yes. 99% of things can be done in Chinese here, but the last 1% (like returning calls to specialist from doctor referrals, going with them to the Emergency room at the hospital, calling in repairs for shaw/telus/fortis/hydro, filling out all sorts of forms such as passport renewal and shit, something as simple as setting up Covid shots and getting the QR code as their phone lock screens) is all pretty much 100% on me.

2) The Chinese community, our diet is 100% asian at home, though i sneak out with the kids for "white food" loool. I am sure there are plenty of Chinese food/markets on the island. But the selection and accessbility of the Chinese food/items here is unparalleled.

#2 can be okay, even if we just make a trip once a month to the lower mainland and fill up our freezers, but reason #1 is pretty much carved in stone. There is no way around it, my in laws have 2 other daughters, but my parents only have me. So yea, basically my mom calls, and I show up LOL. Though my parents are super understanding, they don't call me unless their pants are on fire and I actively tell them that I am their son, it is my obligation and pleasure to help them. But my dad gets scolded by my mom everytime he calls me for help lol smh...

So yea =)

Have a nice long weekend everyone.

Welcome to the Slaves of the Auto Grind Club.

Let's connect once you get settled in and I can push referrals your way. Cheers

[Badhobz]

Grats dark ! I wish you wealth and prosperity in your new role.

P.s let us know where you’re at afterwards. You might be able to drum up some business through revscene

[bcrdukes]

Wow.

[dark0821]

Grats dark ! I wish you wealth and prosperity in your new role.

P.s let us know where you’re at afterwards. You might be able to drum up some business through revscene

Haha yea, for sure!

The managers are super accomadating and knows I still work full time, so orientation will be happening on weekends starting next week Aug 6th.

Lets make sure I get thru the first few days first to make sure I am really set on the job =)

The whole plan is that I get thru all training before my official start, so I can hit the ground running.

[SkunkWorks]

Congrats. Best of luck on the new venture.

If you can get me any of the following: GR Corolla, CTR or cayman gts 4.0 - I'll be your first client :)

[noclue]

Just watch this and you're good to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrhSLf0I-HM

[BIC_BAWS]

If you can get me any of the following: GR Corolla, CTR or cayman gts 4.0 - I'll be your first client :)

Since trade-in offers are preferred, I am prepared to trade my current Type R for the new CTR.



Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[tru_blue]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to give everyone an update.

I went to the interview yesterday, and I am happy to say I was pretty much hired on the spot. I have taken them up on the offer and will be joining the OpenRoad Auto team by late Aug.

Now the monumental task of telling my boss about this news on Tuesday and give him my 2 weeks. Sigh... I have actually never quit a job before, so this is actually pretty nerve racking haha.

As for not wanting to leave Vancouver, unfortunately for me, that is not an option

1) my parents and my inlaws have 0 English skills, yes. 99% of things can be done in Chinese here, but the last 1% (like returning calls to specialist from doctor referrals, going with them to the Emergency room at the hospital, calling in repairs for shaw/telus/fortis/hydro, filling out all sorts of forms such as passport renewal and shit, something as simple as setting up Covid shots and getting the QR code as their phone lock screens) is all pretty much 100% on me.

2) The Chinese community, our diet is 100% asian at home, though i sneak out with the kids for "white food" loool. I am sure there are plenty of Chinese food/markets on the island. But the selection and accessbility of the Chinese food/items here is unparalleled.

#2 can be okay, even if we just make a trip once a month to the lower mainland and fill up our freezers, but reason #1 is pretty much carved in stone. There is no way around it, my in laws have 2 other daughters, but my parents only have me. So yea, basically my mom calls, and I show up LOL. Though my parents are super understanding, they don't call me unless their pants are on fire and I actively tell them that I am their son, it is my obligation and pleasure to help them. But my dad gets scolded by my mom everytime he calls me for help lol smh...

So yea =)

Have a nice long weekend everyone.

which brand will you be working for under OpenRoad ?

[Koflach]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to give everyone an update.

I went to the interview yesterday, and I am happy to say I was pretty much hired on the spot. I have taken them up on the offer and will be joining the OpenRoad Auto team by late Aug.

Now the monumental task of telling my boss about this news on Tuesday and give him my 2 weeks. Sigh... I have actually never quit a job before, so this is actually pretty nerve racking haha.

As for not wanting to leave Vancouver, unfortunately for me, that is not an option

1) my parents and my inlaws have 0 English skills, yes. 99% of things can be done in Chinese here, but the last 1% (like returning calls to specialist from doctor referrals, going with them to the Emergency room at the hospital, calling in repairs for shaw/telus/fortis/hydro, filling out all sorts of forms such as passport renewal and shit, something as simple as setting up Covid shots and getting the QR code as their phone lock screens) is all pretty much 100% on me.

2) The Chinese community, our diet is 100% asian at home, though i sneak out with the kids for "white food" loool. I am sure there are plenty of Chinese food/markets on the island. But the selection and accessbility of the Chinese food/items here is unparalleled.

#2 can be okay, even if we just make a trip once a month to the lower mainland and fill up our freezers, but reason #1 is pretty much carved in stone. There is no way around it, my in laws have 2 other daughters, but my parents only have me. So yea, basically my mom calls, and I show up LOL. Though my parents are super understanding, they don't call me unless their pants are on fire and I actively tell them that I am their son, it is my obligation and pleasure to help them. But my dad gets scolded by my mom everytime he calls me for help lol smh...

So yea =)

Have a nice long weekend everyone.

Congrats on the new gig, I spent about 3 months working for Open Road Honda in Burnaby (aka: MIddlegate Honda) about 15 years back under Ali Jiwani (I think that was his name). Overall, it was an interesting experience and I did reasonably well at it but staying in the office all day wasn't for me. That and not having control over negotiating with the customer directly wasn't really for me. I really disliked having to go back and forth between Ali and the Up (client).

I'm more geared towards outside sales and have been with my current company for almost 10 years now. I ended up leaving another place that was in Richmond as I lived in Surrey at the time and hated commuting back and forth with all the traffic as I had to pick up and drop off my son at day care each day.

Best advice I can give you is take a job that pays you as much as you can while you don't have kids but once you have kids, try to prioritize quality of life over chasing a pay cheque.

[TopsyCrett]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to give everyone an update.

I went to the interview yesterday, and I am happy to say I was pretty much hired on the spot. I have taken them up on the offer and will be joining the OpenRoad Auto team by late Aug.

Now the monumental task of telling my boss about this news on Tuesday and give him my 2 weeks. Sigh... I have actually never quit a job before, so this is actually pretty nerve racking haha.

As for not wanting to leave Vancouver, unfortunately for me, that is not an option

1) my parents and my inlaws have 0 English skills, yes. 99% of things can be done in Chinese here, but the last 1% (like returning calls to specialist from doctor referrals, going with them to the Emergency room at the hospital, calling in repairs for shaw/telus/fortis/hydro, filling out all sorts of forms such as passport renewal and shit, something as simple as setting up Covid shots and getting the QR code as their phone lock screens) is all pretty much 100% on me.

2) The Chinese community, our diet is 100% asian at home, though i sneak out with the kids for "white food" loool. I am sure there are plenty of Chinese food/markets on the island. But the selection and accessbility of the Chinese food/items here is unparalleled.

#2 can be okay, even if we just make a trip once a month to the lower mainland and fill up our freezers, but reason #1 is pretty much carved in stone. There is no way around it, my in laws have 2 other daughters, but my parents only have me. So yea, basically my mom calls, and I show up LOL. Though my parents are super understanding, they don't call me unless their pants are on fire and I actively tell them that I am their son, it is my obligation and pleasure to help them. But my dad gets scolded by my mom everytime he calls me for help lol smh...

So yea =)

Have a nice long weekend everyone.

Welcome to the group man :) I work at HQ. I work closely with the stores and sales staff, it's a grind for most, but there are many opportunities within the company to succeed. Best of luck with the new role!

[trollface]

Welcome to the group man :).... there are many opportunities within the company to succeed. Best of luck with the new role!

You must be HR. Just missing the We are a family here part.

[TopsyCrett]

^ LOL.

"We're a great big happy family, the culture is driven by our people (see what I did there). People are our greatest asset."

[trollface]

People before profits.

*crosses fingers behind back

[smoothie.]

I can't wait for the 1m, 6m, and 2Y update on this shit.

[Eff-1]

Congrats on your new role, wishing you all the best of luck!

[mb_]

Good luck on your new adventures dark0821! It's hard leaving something you're comfortable with and hope it works out for you :)

[dark0821]

GR Corolla, CTR or cayman gts 4.0 -> ahh I knew I shoulda went to Toyota/Honda loool, I dont think anyone can just land a job @ Porsche with 0 car sales experience...

Now that I have emailed back the signed employment agreement, it feels more official.

I am starting at OpenRoad Hyundai Richmond on Aug 24th. So I guess the soon to be discont. Veloster N and the sold out Ioniq 5 which you can't even put a deposit on are worth mentioning? lol

Come by and say hi, my name's Jacky, but you probably just see an asian fatass that looks lost, that's probably me lol.

I would openly advertise my number, but not sure if that goes against the rules haha.

Yes, no matter if I make it, or not make it. I will bump this thread when something big happens. Otherwise, 6m, 1y, 2y update sounds good =)

[Badhobz]

^Jacky it doesnt matter where you start, as long as you take it all in. Im sure each marque has something to teach you and eventually, if this is your calling, you'll get to where you want to go.

[dark0821]

^ Haha, Hyundai is great, as you can tell by my signature, I actually owned 2 Hyundais in my life, both bought new. Funny enough I actually do keep up with Hyundai news even before the job haha...

The Toyota / Honda comment was just poking fun. Personally I think Toyota is super saturated, though the cars do sell themselves, but the amount of sales they have per shift is also pretty up there. Honda is similar to Toyota, but all in all, I would say Honda's lineup is the weakest between Hyundai, Toyota and Honda. They doubled down on small displacement turbos. I am sure CRVs and Civics are still probably the best selling car/SUV if not the 2nd best in the country. But their lack/very small selection of hybrid/plug-in seems to put them in the back foot. There are only so many GR86, Supra, Taco, 4 Runner, Si and Type-Rs that I can sell lol. Or the holy grail, sienna Hybrid, I think Revscene members are getting to that age... yes...

I think Hyundai is an agressive brand that is still hungry for market share. Though it might not persuade the older moms and pops, brand perception is still very real, especially in Richmond.

But the value per dollar is still largely there, and their designs are bold and out there (not exactly a home run everytime). At least the upper execs seems to be open to ideas. Also not having a mature "brand identy" yet gives them lots of options and keeps the door open.

[trollface]

Good on your for taking the leap. Not many ppl have the balls to do that.

[Teriyaki]

Thread delivers. Congrats on the follow through, hope it works out for you! Also sign me up for the 6m 1yr 2yr update. Think this thread needs to be bumped annually like the Xmas Lobster thread at every anniversary with an update lololol.

[Gerbs]

Yeah, I agree Hyundai is pretty solid compared to Toyota and Honda these days. Irrelevant back then imo. I think the Veloster N has been discontinued for a few months already. The states have them for like $33 - 40K USD atm ranging from 3,000 to 20,000miles.

[FatalCloud]

Congrats and good luck on the new job dark0821! on another note yesterday after work i was stuck in a traffic jam so i was looking at houses to my right and i see this pikachu prius and miata in the driveway lol so i now know where you live

[GLOW]

seems like the thread came to a positive outcome / end so now i can say i imagine the interview for the sales job is going to be the scene from wolf of wallstreet...

"sell me this pen" :lawl:

[headhunt3r]

Congrats! I've never shopped for a Hyundai before but I've read a lot about poor dealership / sales experiences online. People complain about their sales team treating their products like it's a Rolls Royce. I'm sure you'll be different!

[Badhobz]

Off topic but what is the difference between Hyundai and Kia ? Their pricing is very similar. Their platforms are often shared. Why would I buy one or the other ? I’m very confused as to what their marketing angle is for each brand when they completely overlap.

[bcrdukes]

I've wondered the same as well. To me it's like Toyota vs. Lexus but with Kia and Hyundai, what's the real difference besides Genesis?

[Bender Unit]

Genesis = Lexus
Hyundai = Toyota
N Line = GR

[68style]

CONGRATS to dark0821 it's not often you see someone do much more than whine about their situation!! Hoping for the best for you!

As for Kia/Hyundai, why not style the same car 2 ways for appeal... a lot of people like how one looks vs the other...

There are some strange crossovers that don't directly match though... ie: the Kia Stinger has no Hyundai equivalent, it's equivalent is a Genesis product.

[inv4zn]

Hyundai owns about a third of Kia. At one point they owned 51%, but have since divested.

They're not technically the same, they are entirely separate entities, but they share parts/platforms.

Think of it almost kind of like Renault (previously) owning majority of Nissan. The same just isn't felt in NA because we don't see Renaults.

[dark0821]

Removed.

[RiceIntegraRS]

How did ur old boss take u quitting?

[jcmaz]

You have to build rapport with the customer, otherwise you are just another sales guy. You have to give the customer a reason to buy from you.

Best advice I can give you is to not over think for the customer.

They are responsible for their own financial decision and you are there to help them into a new vehicle due to whatever reason they have.

Don't think why they need a new car when their few year old car still works fine. Don't think that the payment is trash because they decides to lump negative equity into the new payment plan.

Oh and make sure you get to work early since the gravel lot beside the insurance place fills up quick.

[BIC_BAWS]

Well I hope you're a better sales person or just decent person to talk with than the current new Asian guy at OpenRoad Hyundai Richmond. I went there just the past weekend. I was curious about getting something more dailyable but still fun (Kona N) and was really just browsing. The sales guy just repeated "what's your timeline on buying" and "what type of car are you looking for?" over and over again. Well, if I knew what I wanted, I sure as hell wouldn't be lurking around at dealerships lmao.

Anyway, I'm sure the guy at Hyundai was just trying to prospect me as a potential client and weed out tire kickers. Terrible execution though. His product knowledge was awful but at least he didn't try to BS me. As a consumer, I absolutely despised that whole experience.

Meanwhile, Trevor from OpenRoad Lexus and Marvin from GoAuto (prev. Cowell) VW were great to work with. Maybe a 718 Cayman or a MK8 Golf R will be in my future - getting really tired of poor build quality and mediocre dealership sales experiences.

I digress. I hope you get to sell a lot of Genesis products! They look like awesome cars!

[Gerbs]

I had decent experience at Hyundai Richmond, they let me drive the Veloster N. Dude had a Golf R and let me drive away on my own. Downside was there's no discount so I ended up buying at Maple Ridge.

[freakshow]

Do you make any commission if you purchase a car? With all the ‘sell us your car’ ads, been thinking about offloading the cayman

[Badhobz]

Meanwhile, Trevor from OpenRoad Lexus and Marvin from GoAuto (prev. Cowell) VW were great to work with. Maybe a 718 Cayman or a MK8 Golf R will be in my future - getting really tired of poor build quality and mediocre dealership sales experiences.

I digress. I hope you get to sell a lot of Genesis products! They look like awesome cars!

Openroad rexus!? Rexus ?!?!?! You join my LC club friend ! It currently has me myself and I in it.

[68style]

I sat in the driver's seat and revved it :hi:

[trollface]

If you're tired of poor build quality, I would prob avoid covid cars. You know everyone is skimping and cost cutting where possible to get units out.

The auto industry is not exactly known of its integrity and honesty.

[Traum]

Meanwhile, Trevor from OpenRoad Lexus and Marvin from GoAuto (prev. Cowell) VW were great to work with. Maybe a 718 Cayman or a MK8 Golf R will be in my future - getting really tired of poor build quality and mediocre dealership sales experiences.

I spoke to a sales person at PCV recently, and he was telling me that brand new custom orders for the Cayman / Boxster / 911 is taking anywhere between 12 - 24 months. So if you have a brand new Porsche itch that you want to scratch, take the wait time into consideration.

[JDMDreams]

Poor build quality? BMW's? VW?:troll::troll::troll::troll::joy:

[trollface]

Do you make any commission if you purchase a car? With all the ‘sell us your car’ ads, been thinking about offloading the cayman

Depends on how hard you get boned.

[GLOW]

How did ur old boss take u quitting?

:Popcorn

[jaemc]

Wish you best of luck in the car industry. Interested in response when quitting old job as well

[dark0821]

Removed.

[Tapioca]

So...you actually followed up with an email to make it official, right?

You almost gave him too much info... you owe your boss nothing, but a cordial goodbye.

[RiceIntegraRS]

The typical, "i was gonna give u a raise" and "i was thinking about promoting u" after u give ur notice...... bunch of bs imo

[68style]

Yah that's some major guilt tripping... sounds almost like an abusive relationship

"I'm leaving you because you said we would get married by x date and we haven't"
"That's too bad... I was just shopping for a ring the other day..."

hahaha good riddance

[mb_]

The typical, "i was gonna give u a raise" and "i was thinking about promoting u" after u give ur notice...... bunch of bs imo

This is also my mindset... not a big fan of having to search for other opportunities before your current employer even considers giving you a raise or promoting you

Like if you were gonna promote me or give me a raise, why did it it take me having to give my resignation letter to get it?

[Badhobz]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e0/38/a3/e038a33647af1d84933d79babbcb3514.jpg

fuck him and the decepticon he rode in on.

[inv4zn]

You should absolutely submit notice in writing.

[dark0821]

Removed.

[Roach]

Being a manager is tough. You can post on a message board about how flawed you think that person's response is, however, it is not easy to see people leave.

You don't know if at any moment, when someone walks into your office and closes the door whether they are telling you about a death, a miscarriage, cancer, sexual harassment in the workplace, that someone didn't wash their hands in the bathroom earlier, if they need a new keyboard, or alternatively, if they are quitting. I have experienced all of these situations. I don't think anything prepares you for someone you care about and being a part of your team leaving.

Reviews typically do happen on a calender basis. And any manager would be remiss not to try and mention future plans or actions that they saw for an associate. If you are worth it, they will try to save the situation. If you suck, believe me, I want to make sure you send me the resignation through e-mail or provide it to me on paper so I can make sure this jackpot is real.

Anyways, OP - congrats! I spent about 7 years in that building when it was Richmond Toyota. It looks so different after the Hyundai renovation. I think Hyundai is a great brand that is due to gain market share vs Toyota. Their offerings are more progressive and I think you will benefit from it. I believe that store has a new GM as well. New leadership is a great opportunity for you to be on a level playing ground vs your peers.

Good luck and if you ever need any advice about the business or ORAG shoot me a PM!

Kev

[GLOW]

thanks for sharing man, tbh, the nervousness, the conversation you had, etc etc, trying to almost soften the blow of you leaving - i think it speaks to your character.

as a manager, i appreciate it. you can't really 'teach' this in someone... you have it or you don't.

don't feel guilty leaving, you're doing it for you and your family. if someone can't understand/respect that, then you prob should have left 'em sooner.

good luck, let me know when you're established, if i save up, i may need the hookups for an ionq5 :lol Kappa :ifyouknow:

though i can't afford one right now :okay:

[dark0821]

Removed.

[Hehe]

Congrat on the new gig!

Just want to add a few things beyond all the great comments already here.

I also took a risk for a career change when I turned 30... choosing to follow my dream of owning my own business vs. pursuing a stable high-paying job even though I hated it to guts because of the super long hours (60hr+/wk)

Looking back, if I had to make that decision again, I would stick with my decision without blinking an eye.

Some suggestions on what could have done better looking back:

1. Never stop investing in yourself.
The new job "honeymoon" would eventually pass. One day, you'd eventually get to a place where you are either questioning the decision, or be at the same point again where you think there's no future in this.

The only way to get over that is to never stop investing in yourself. My rule of thumb is to take 30min to an hour every single day to do things that would make yourself better tomorrow than today. Be it reading, exercising, pampering yourself (sales need to look sharp) or practicing.

By constantly improving yourself is what would set you apart from your peers and prep you for something greater.

2. Never settle
You just took the first big leap in work life. I want you to remember this feeling and why you decided to take the leap at this moment. You didn't want to settle your life for that deadend job. This is the motivation that pushed you forward and would continue to push you in the future.

Good luck and have fun in your new position!

[Gerbs]

Which P cars did you want?

[dark0821]

If there is no budget
LFA daily
Carrera GT weekend
Both cars reminds me of the glory F1 days, and modern enough that with regular proper maintenance, will be super reliable.

Ofc I want the F1, F40, F50, zonda, but honeslty those cars are a) not very street friendly, and b) will defn leave you stranded even with good maintenance.....

Somewhat dreaming, but can own if i sell the house LOL
The 992 GT3 Touring, it literally ticked all the correct boxes as the ultimate 911 for me...

The goal for retirement if they stop frikken apprieciating (who am I kidding) 997.2 GT3, what a car... i told my wife that if we bought the car using equity a decade ago when the interest was still stupid low, i would have owned the car for free, and maybe even sold at a profit at this point....

Love the RS variants for sure, but as I grew older, I no longer want the big wang. And honestly, 99% street driving, the premium to get in a RS is not worth it. I mean... I am poor after all. Though I do believe a RS will always be desireable, so it will hold on to its value...

Immediate goal? Lets say 996 or 997 gen manual 911 within the next 5 to 6 years, would be a pretty awesome 40 yrs old present? XD

Totally okay to gamble on IMS and bore scoring looool

[bcrdukes]

IMS problem is overrated. Bore scoring - just do your homework and get it inspected or rebuild the engine. Get one and enjoy. Life is too short.

[Badhobz]

I asked the wife about the 911.

Me: well for the same money as the LC I can get a Porsche 911 CS4
Her: do that. Who would spend this kinda money on a fucking Lexus ?
Me : fuck you bitch I hate you
Her: trololololo I steal all your money anyways

[westopher]

This thread is relevant to my interests.
I too am thinking about getting into a sales job, albeit, also at a small paycut. My reasoning is from the same place. I come home very stressed and unhappy often. I’m very passionate about what I do, and very proud of it and certainly won’t feel the same after the change, however, I’m inundated with stress all day, every day, as it’s so volatile with staffing, profit margins, etc.
I don’t think sales will be a breeze, but I’d be stepping into accounts that exist and trying to grow them, which I think won’t be all that difficult being that it’s products I know lots about, and most often am quite passionate about.
Not being the boss will be very difficult for me, however, will take a massive chunk of stress off.
Lots of good advice so far in this thread. I’m not the sole breadwinner, as me and my wife make approximately the same, however I’d be willing to take less at the possibility of being more pleasant to be around for my wife and daughter. That said, being that I run things, it’s also on me that work is stressful to a point. I need to decide if I have the skill and tools at my disposal to make it easier.

[trollface]

Have you guys considered "stocks" and "lemonade stands" like all the 16 year old car youtubers?

[Badhobz]

im just thinking about our parents and how pretty much all of them did shit ass jobs they hated but i never heard a peep about job satisfaction growing up. Its a job, you do it, you get paid and you go home. Classic example; my mom ironed shirts for 5-10 cents a piece growing up. in a non a/c sweat shop close to hastings st. through that kind of insanity she put food on the table and paid the mortgage until she was able to find better work.

Nowadays i cant even find enough longshoremen to work on a friday/saturday and im paying these guys 6 figures a year to work for 4hours a day (gantry operators). Everyone is completely obsessed with quality of life and work life balance, but then they come and bitch that they are poor.

[trollface]

The main difference is when my folks worked shit jobs, they could still afford a house and car, raise a family. You do the same now, and you're in abject poverty.

The normal standard of living line was much lower and much easier to achieve. I think a lot of ppl have come to the conclusion that busting your ass and doing the bare minimum will net you the same short term result, so why bother.

When houses are un-obtainable, I think ppl have started to gravitate towards instant gratification via material purchases. This is fueled by Social media as it has made it extremely easy to see other ppl's highlights. I've never seen that many people with 25k Rolexes on the bus in HK.

Give me that dopamine injection.

100k used to some mythical number that means you're doing pretty well. Today, 100k single income means you are qualified for a 1bed room apartment next to Highway.

[Badhobz]

^youre not wrong, and to be honest i think it makes sense to focus on personal happiness as oppose to purely fulfilling obligations. but maybe that needle is swinging a bit too far for the kids nowadays.

whats wrong with a 1 bedroom anyways? people just need to adjust their perceptions

[westopher]

That’s the difference. You work a shit job and get to buy a house, a new car every 5 years, vacation to Hawaii every year, have ZERO emails, texts, etc to answer when you go home from your 9-5 that’s a very different lifestyle than being expected to answer whenever someone needs it, knowing full well you can’t move into a bigger home unless mom and dad give you hundreds of grand towards it.
Fuck the desire to bust ass to scrape by. If it’s just going to go OK financially, why expect someone to commit their existence to it.
It’s not about being softer, it’s about being smarter.
That said, as long as I get sundays off for cars and coffee, get me the training to be your gantry operator for 6 figures and a 4 day work week and I’m there.

[EvoFire]

If there is no budget
LFA daily
Carrera GT weekend
Both cars reminds me of the glory F1 days, and modern enough that with regular proper maintenance, will be super reliable.

Ofc I want the F1, F40, F50, zonda, but honeslty those cars are a) not very street friendly, and b) will defn leave you stranded even with good maintenance.....

Somewhat dreaming, but can own if i sell the house LOL
The 992 GT3 Touring, it literally ticked all the correct boxes as the ultimate 911 for me...

The goal for retirement if they stop frikken apprieciating (who am I kidding) 997.2 GT3, what a car... i told my wife that if we bought the car using equity a decade ago when the interest was still stupid low, i would have owned the car for free, and maybe even sold at a profit at this point....

Love the RS variants for sure, but as I grew older, I no longer want the big wang. And honestly, 99% street driving, the premium to get in a RS is not worth it. I mean... I am poor after all. Though I do believe a RS will always be desireable, so it will hold on to its value...

Immediate goal? Lets say 996 or 997 gen manual 911 within the next 5 to 6 years, would be a pretty awesome 40 yrs old present? XD

Totally okay to gamble on IMS and bore scoring looool

Even a regular 997.1 or .2 S you would have driven for free considering the stupidity of the last 2 years, don't need a GT3.

[JDMDreams]

Yes RS longshore job fair plz, or move to Alberta and own a $500k detached with room for your kids and toys for the price of a Surrey hood condo.

[Badhobz]

Ugh get in line. I’d give up my manager job to be a longshore too.

But you gotta know somebody who’s already a longshore to get the application and then wait for another 10 years to move up in seniority to stabilize.

[punkwax]

This thread is relevant to my interests.
I too am thinking about getting into a sales job, albeit, also at a small paycut. My reasoning is from the same place. I come home very stressed and unhappy often. I’m very passionate about what I do, and very proud of it and certainly won’t feel the same after the change, however, I’m inundated with stress all day, every day, as it’s so volatile with staffing, profit margins, etc.
I don’t think sales will be a breeze, but I’d be stepping into accounts that exist and trying to grow them, which I think won’t be all that difficult being that it’s products I know lots about, and most often am quite passionate about.
Not being the boss will be very difficult for me, however, will take a massive chunk of stress off.
Lots of good advice so far in this thread. I’m not the sole breadwinner, as me and my wife make approximately the same, however I’d be willing to take less at the possibility of being more pleasant to be around for my wife and daughter. That said, being that I run things, it’s also on me that work is stressful to a point. I need to decide if I have the skill and tools at my disposal to make it easier.

That’s the difference. You work a shit job and get to buy a house, a new car every 5 years, vacation to Hawaii every year, have ZERO emails, texts, etc to answer when you go home from your 9-5 that’s a very different lifestyle than being expected to answer whenever someone needs it, knowing full well you can’t move into a bigger home unless mom and dad give you hundreds of grand towards it.
Fuck the desire to bust ass to scrape by. If it’s just going to go OK financially, why expect someone to commit their existence to it.
It’s not about being softer, it’s about being smarter.
That said, as long as I get sundays off for cars and coffee, get me the training to be your gantry operator for 6 figures and a 4 day work week and I’m there.

Sales manager with 20+ years of experience chiming in.. I’ve dealt with the stress of managing/being held accountable for plenty of direct reports across multiple branches expected to exceed targets while balancing P+L, hiring/firing, scheduling, training, inventory etc. it does take a toll on you.

The stress will be different but the pressure to perform in sales is real. Especially if you’re looking to join a large corporation. My mood at home has also been impacted depending on how well the month/quarter is going or if I lost a major project to a competitor to the point where now I focus a lot more on my family and have told my boss straight up that I’m not prioritizing work first as I had in my 20’s and 30’s to get where I am today. Now I make a point to help pack lunches, get the kids off to school etc. before working out for my own personal well being. Then I’ll hit the desk by 9AM, don’t know what a lunch break is and find myself replying to emails as late as 10-11PM at times. So if you think that will stop, it won’t, unless you can completely unplug and keep your phone separate from work. I don’t always have to reply so late, but often choose to because it’ll be one less thing to deal with tomorrow. The work never ends for me so if I can reply quickly and take one more thing off my plate I’ll do it.

^I do this around home when I’m not travelling for work by the way.. I also have expectations to visit clients outside of the lower mainland as often as I can. Then we’re not talking too many hours away from the family in a day, it’s always several days if not the whole week that I’ll be away.

Managing and looking to grow existing accounts is not as easy as you might think as well. Having confidence in your ability is great, but even if you’re the best at what you do, your clients can choose other products for reasons x, y and z. Even if they’d prefer to give you the business, sometimes they just can’t based on variables such as budget, needs etc. and while you still need to spend time to fight for that business, you also have to accept when it doesn’t go your way.

All that said and despite not knowing what your current opportunity is, the chef life isn’t easy with the ridiculous hours involved and it seems you’d benefit from taking a break from that overall stress. FWIW, I say go for it as it seems there isn’t a lot of risk overall financially if you did.

Also, if you ever need advice from a sales perspective, I’m a PM away. SeemsGood

[westopher]

Thanks man, that's all very helpful. I know that based on my personality, I'm not going to shut off when 5pm hits. As far as compensation, base salary is in my safe range, and commission is gravy, however, my job security now is literally 100/10, and I know that if I'm not making commission, I probably won't have a job for long. As far as I'm concerned I probably have the BEST chef job in Vancouver. Food I can be proud of, decent hours, an owner that I truly consider a friend and who treats me as such, but that said, I can't be 50 on a 35 degree line running around and chucking pans. It's a youngn's game. If I left this, the chef life is 100%, no questions, over, and it's gotta end sometime, I just don't know if it's now.

[inv4zn]

I think one thing to fully consider, is that most people, regardless of the job/position, will be dealing with some negatives. The perfect job is a unicorn, and regardless of what you do, it will always come with some negatives.

[mikemhg]

The main difference is when my folks worked shit jobs, they could still afford a house and car, raise a family. You do the same now, and you're in abject poverty.

The normal standard of living line was much lower and much easier to achieve. I think a lot of ppl have come to the conclusion that busting your ass and doing the bare minimum will net you the same short term result, so why bother.

When houses are un-obtainable, I think ppl have started to gravitate towards instant gratification via material purchases. This is fueled by Social media as it has made it extremely easy to see other ppl's highlights. I've never seen that many people with 25k Rolexes on the bus in HK.

Give me that dopamine injection.

100k used to some mythical number that means you're doing pretty well. Today, 100k single income means you are qualified for a 1bed room apartment next to Highway.

This is a great point.

[mikemhg]

Thanks man, that's all very helpful. I know that based on my personality, I'm not going to shut off when 5pm hits. As far as compensation, base salary is in my safe range, and commission is gravy, however, my job security now is literally 100/10, and I know that if I'm not making commission, I probably won't have a job for long. As far as I'm concerned I probably have the BEST chef job in Vancouver. Food I can be proud of, decent hours, an owner that I truly consider a friend and who treats me as such, but that said, I can't be 50 on a 35 degree line running around and chucking pans. It's a youngn's game. If I left this, the chef life is 100%, no questions, over, and it's gotta end sometime, I just don't know if it's now.

Seems like a waste to throwaway talent within the culinary industry like that. I suppose you couldn't find a way to remain in the industry doing something else?

It's quite interesting to see where the restaurant industry will be in 5-10 years from now if more folks are finding they can't keep staff or turn profit margins. What will happen?

I already see it changing on places like the Sunshine Coast, more restaurant owners are pivoting to food trucks or pop-up spots as opposed to a dedicated brick and mortar establishment due to rent and staffing headaches.

[bcrdukes]

A good friend of mine was also a chef in Vancouver and went through what westopher is thinking of/going through. Went into a retail sales role for a tech company (you guys can guess - company is the name of a fruit and the first letter of the alphabet) and is doing a lot better financially and coming home a lot happier.

I met up with him earlier last month when I was in Vancouver and I asked if he'd ever go back into the restaurant industry, and it was a hard no. Despite him saying that the job doesn't appear to be glamorous on the outside, he gave zero fucks and I've never seen him happier. I actually get to see him now as opposed to before which was impossible.

[Klobbersaurus]

How much is insurance on the island? The younger folks in the early 20's to mid 20's moved to Van recently and they kept their insurance on the island, apparently it's half off even with accidents?

my xterra is about 800 a year and my prius is 700 a year, my xterra and protege at the time was about $1000 more for each vehicle

you have to be careful if your keeping your island insurance in vancouver because if your in an accident while your working/living in vancouver, you might not have coverage because vancouver is a different zone than the island

[GLOW]

i don't know anything about the food industry, but if you don't want to be a chef, can you transition in to restaurant general manager or something similar?

i'm just drawing on the analogy of someone in the trades on the tools moving in to the office when they can no longer be on the tools.

it would build upon existing experience and evolve one's career. if one's position is bulletproof, but only up to a certain age, then i'm planning my next move before i "age out" of my current position.

software engineer is also a young man's game. when i got laid off i took it as an opportunity to see where my path would lead me and realized i didn't want to be coding in to middle and then old age, so at that time i was looking in to business dev or project management. eventually i went down a diff path but in the end it's still career planning at some level...though i was probably a little too basic in my thinking...i didn't have friend/family or RS wisdom to guide me at that time :lol

[westopher]

I'd literally rather jump off the lions gate bridge than be a GM. All the stress of a chef job as far as staffing, removes the creative aspect, and no pay bump in most cases. GM is very lateral to chef as far as pay and hierarchy. I appreciate what you mean though, it just isn't that way per say compared to the tools/office regard. You're still going to be running as a GM, unless you are an operations manager in a corporate setting.
Funny thing though, even though you're higher up the ladder, in that corporate setting you really are implementing much more than getting to make the decisions of what to implement.
Ideally this change wouldn't have been the one. I'd be teaching at VCC, but unfortunately, I didn't go to culinary school, so I'd need to at least get my red seal, which is frustrating, because people with red seals work for me and learn the things school didn't prepare them for.

[TOS'd]

I'd be [in a Higher position job], but unfortunately, I didn't go to [a specific school], so I'd need to at least get my [Cert./Designation/Degree/Masters], which is frustrating, because people with [Cert./Designation/Degree/Masters] work for me and learn the things school didn't prepare them for.
Also applies to many careers with some sort of profession designation, I see this way too often.

[freakshow]

Ideally this change wouldn't have been the one. I'd be teaching at VCC, but unfortunately, I didn't go to culinary school, so I'd need to at least get my red seal, which is frustrating, because people with red seals work for me and learn the things school didn't prepare them for.
My wife has been in fine dining since early 2000's. She took an instructor position at VCC when our first son was born (2017). Trust me, it's completely worth it if a red seal is the only thing you need. I'm not a chef, but I'd be happy to answer any questions since i've seen her go through everything, just PM me.

[westopher]

Hey I definitely will reach out. I wonder if your wife and I have ever crossed paths?

[Badhobz]

both of you guys must eat very very well :okay:

now tell me where to find the best and most affordable prime rib (costco wants 80 bucks for a 3 rib prime rib)

[westopher]

Just remember there is no such thing as cheap food
You pay for the cost
You pay for it with your body
Someone else paid for it with unfair labour practices

Please pick the top one of you can afford it.

[bcrdukes]

both of you guys must eat very very well :okay:

now tell me where to find the best and most affordable prime rib (costco wants 80 bucks for a 3 rib prime rib)

This is often the perception but like westopher said, someone needs to pay for it in one way or another either through monetary means or physically.

Working in a restaurant is tough on the body and you get very little time to enjoy whatever food you are eating. That and some restaurants don't always cover staff meals and as a staffer, you need to pay for it. You're basically scarfing it down and getting back to work.

My aunt and uncle toughed it out owning and working in their own restaurant for 35 years and they are broken. I barely lasted a year at McDonald's. :okay:

[roastpuff]

both of you guys must eat very very well :okay:

now tell me where to find the best and most affordable prime rib (costco wants 80 bucks for a 3 rib prime rib)

To the second part of your question, look at a meat wholesaler - one close to your work would be Ferry Market I would think. Walk in and practice your Canto and ask them for their pricing on prime rib.

[SSM_DC5]

.... I wonder if your wife and I have ever crossed paths?

:suspicious: :ifyouknow:

[Gerbs]

im just thinking about our parents and how pretty much all of them did shit ass jobs they hated but i never heard a peep about job satisfaction growing up. Its a job, you do it, you get paid and you go home. Classic example; my mom ironed shirts for 5-10 cents a piece growing up. in a non a/c sweat shop close to hastings st. through that kind of insanity she put food on the table and paid the mortgage until she was able to find better work.
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Haha, I remember counting those white / pink slips of paper that my mom trades in for 5 to 10 cents a piece. We still have a ton of leftover TNA / Lulu raw materials from the early 2000's. She also worked by east hastings / clark area.

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100k used to some mythical number that means you're doing pretty well. Today, 100k single income means you are qualified for a 1bed room apartment next to Highway.

I agree, there's a lack of incentives to do more beyond $100K CAD these days. If I make $120 - 150K+ gross in today's market, I get to live the same quality of life as someone got into housing in 2011 to 2015 or gifted a fat DP. That's a 1br or 2br Condo and MAYBE a $40K car, some eating out, travelling and savings.

It's really hard to justify working in shitty WLB balance for that extra money. At $85 - 100K, most jobs can be done in < 20hours / week, WFH, and relatively stable job despite basic performance. The jump to $110 - $150k on average requires a massive increase in stress. Need to worry about performance and management duties so your job doesn't feel as stable.

For the last year, I'd work past 5PM to 6PM. More often than not I'd work at 10PM to 12AM to "catch up" for the next day so you have less to do, almost always on Sundays and sometimes Fridays. You start getting out of shape because all I constantly think about is work and how I can justify not working out today because I have deadlines for tomorrow. As punk mentioned, you're likely in charge of results. Need to review monthly financials, financing requirements, inventory, hiring, operational efficiency, strategic initiatives. So if the company is not performing you have to worry about how to fix this or having to deal with layoffs. If you can't solve issues you start wondering if you might lose your job so you have to plan the next move on your mind.

All that extra stress for the potential to upgrade from a 1BR to a 2BR in the suburbs, plus upgrade your old $40K car to a $50K EV / Toyota Hybrid, or extra savings.

It's not worth it for most people imo. My main justification for working a shitty WLB is the extra cash will help me retire earlier. Otherwise it's better to work a lower stress job so that you can extend your working career and avoid burnout.

[bomberR17]

Not only that, the progressive income tax rate really stops your motivation to do more especially in commission based role.

[trollface]

Explain? ^

You're still making more, there is no real way of getting around income tax.

[inv4zn]

Not only that, the progressive income tax rate really stops your motivation to do more especially in commission based role.

Oh God, I hope you don't say "I'll make less money because I get taxed more".

[Gerbs]

I barely lasted a year at McDonald's. :okay:

I loved working there in highschool, you meet all the other highschoolers. Luckily I got put in the front, the kids in the back had their arms burnt from the grill and fryer.

I always jam packed the fries and loaded up the mcflurries as much as I can for everyone who came to the 41st and Vic location :ilied:

Oh God, I hope you don't say "I'll make less money because I get taxed more".

An entire department used to say this when I worked at the casino. I don't wanna work overtime because I'll get taxed more! When they get a fat year end tax return, they think it's a random lottery.

[MarkyMark]

I've met so many people that believe if they make a certain amount that pushes them into the next tax bracket then all of their income is taxed at that rate and they get fucked.

[bomberR17]

Explain? ^

You're still making more, there is no real way of getting around income tax.

True, you still make more but don't get to keep much. Sometimes we help out the junior coworkers and pass them the deal and take a referral.

For me, It'll take some tax planning though. Like now, housing market is tanking. If I can push deals to next year, I'll do that as my income probably be less.

[trollface]

Are we talking car sales? How do you push deals till next year if a customer buys today?

You guys have some funky voodoo tax magic I'm not aware of?

[CivicBlues]

I've met so many people that believe if they make a certain amount that pushes them into the next tax bracket then all of their income is taxed at that rate and they get fucked.

I swear the reason why financial literacy and basic tax law is still not taught in high schools is so the elites can keep screwing us over by keeping us ignorant.

[trollface]

REPEAT AFTER ME.

TAXES ARE MARGINAL

[Badhobz]

Haha, I remember counting those white / pink slips of paper that my mom trades in for 5 to 10 cents a piece. We still have a ton of leftover TNA / Lulu raw materials from the early 2000's. She also worked by east hastings / clark area.

PogChamp thats crazy! our poor, poor mothers. I would say that was one of my key motivators to do better is to bring the family out of poverty and provide them with a better standard of living.

[inv4zn]

REPEAT AFTER ME.

TAXES ARE MARGINAL

This doesn't help if one doesn't know what marginal means lol.

And arguably there are instances where earning more does mean less take home, but those are individual circumstances.

Like someone could get a pay raise of $6 grand a year before tax, but lose about 4 grand in subsidies for child care and other benefits, so they "earn" less net. But that has nothing to do with taxes.

[Hondaracer]

So I used to work with this old hippy landscaper who had a scenario I think where the tax bracket thing came into play. It really only hurts you if you make a lot of money but make a low wage, and you’re making that big annual income through working OT etc.

I can’t remember the exact figures but the guy was making like $25 an hour. But he worked so much (sometimes like 100 hour weeks Apperently) that he was touching 100k annually making $25 an hour. He said he finally started using an accountant and the accountant told him some of these pay cheques basically amount to making $6-7 an hour because he’s working soooo much at such a low wage, your time becomes increasingly less valuable

As opposed to someone working 40 hours a week who goes from making $35 an hour to $45 an hour, yes you will be getting taxed more, but you’re also going to be taking more money home regardless of the bracket

[Gerbs]

PogChamp thats crazy! our poor, poor mothers. I would say that was one of my key motivators to do better is to bring the family out of poverty and provide them with a better standard of living.

I did some manufacturing for work and it involved me going back there 16 years later to negotiate a production contract.

I walk in and all the Asian aunties are staring at me, the place smells like a pineapple bun, everyone gossiping while collecting the little tags :lawl:

To my knowledge, we can't find talent to sew specific patterns without paying at least $19 - 26/hour to the staff at a manufacturing level locally.

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I can’t remember the exact figures but the guy was making like $25 an hour. But he worked so much (sometimes like 100 hour weeks Apperently) that he was touching 100k annually making $25 an hour. He said he finally started using an accountant and the accountant told him some of these pay cheques basically amount to making $6-7 an hour because he’s working soooo much at such a low wage, your time becomes increasingly less valuable


If you're working for $25/hour as a hourly/salary dood. You don't need to pay for an accountant. My mans would've been taxed the same working 2,000 hours at $50/hour making $100,000 or 3,000 hours at $33.33 blended of OT, Stat, and Reg pay. At $100,000 per hour your real wage for the next $1 would've been taxed at like 32.79% so he'd make a real wage of $16.80 per hour at $25/hr reg. Which imo is not bad compared to $6-7, a 240% increase.

[inv4zn]

So I used to work with this old hippy landscaper who had a scenario I think where the tax bracket thing came into play. It really only hurts you if you make a lot of money but make a low wage, and you’re making that big annual income through working OT etc.

I can’t remember the exact figures but the guy was making like $25 an hour. But he worked so much (sometimes like 100 hour weeks Apperently) that he was touching 100k annually making $25 an hour. He said he finally started using an accountant and the accountant told him some of these pay cheques basically amount to making $6-7 an hour because he’s working soooo much at such a low wage, your time becomes increasingly less valuable

As opposed to someone working 40 hours a week who goes from making $35 an hour to $45 an hour, yes you will be getting taxed more, but you’re also going to be taking more money home regardless of the bracket

This doesn't make sense, that's not how any of it works lol.

Your time doesn't get less valuable the more you work, regardless of wage.

If the guy earned $100,000k in a year, this year, he would have paid $25k in federal and provincial taxes, including CPP/EI. Divide that by the total hours and you have your net hourly rate for the year.

The only way your "hourly" fluctuates so much in a given period is if you worked SO much that you hit the maximum marginal tax rate, which is 53.50%, once you hit $220k annual. IF he worked a 2 week period in which he earned $8500 pretax ($220k annually), which would be 200+ hours in 2 weeks, then he would have earned $11.63, but he would have had a hell of a tax return. I'm not calling you a liar, but something in that story doesn't add up, and arguably "working a lot at a low wage is disadvantageous" is false, from a fiscal year perspective.

[Hondaracer]

That’s just what the guy told me and it seemed to make sense at the time, but maybe not lol

Guy wasn’t the brightest bulb. Pretty sure caught him whispering to plants

[donk.]

Inv4sn is correct

[donk.]

That’s just what the guy told me and it seemed to make sense at the time, but maybe not lol

Guy wasn’t the brightest bulb. Pretty sure caught him whispering to plants

He probably also has a ruler underneath his pillow so he can measure how long he sleeps

[dark0821]

^you guys are all correct

Taxes are maginal 100%, but as someone mentioned, on the lower brackets, it is absolutely true that pushing higher in a bracket can have huge impacts to your family income as a whole.

$0 to $42,184
- Max benefits from BC GOV (ie. free community centre passes such as gym and swimming pool, free swim lessons for kids, basically free programs in that community centre catalog except for the few 3rd partie ones that are not ran under the gov directly)
- huge subsidy in preschool (I was paying the full amount at like $500 a month per child, and some other parents are paying $80? and they drive a Model X, and I was driving a Rogue, cuz even the RAV4 at the time was too expensive if you are financing, 4.99% APR is no joke, Rogue was 0.9% LOL)(thankfully one child was in preschool at a time, but I still ended up paying like 4 years worth (2 years per child) fml)
- max Canada Child Benefit (once again, its like something stupid like $500+ per kid) I don't know cuz my benefit is like >$100 per child...


$42,184.01 to $84,369
- partial benefitis from above, not as subsidized as "low income" families above, but still a decent chunk in everything listed above

$84,369.01 to $96,866
- this is where I assume most of the working population incomes fall under, like actual people who need to work (people like me LOL), you get jack shit from any benefits, because to the govt you are in the "have camp" instead of the "have not camp that needs help"
- for people with income just under @ like $83,000 with kids, you bet they can afford "a better living" than people we are making $85,000 a year. That extra $160 (before taxes mind you, so maybe you are taking home an extra $120?) that you take home every month is doing jack shit compared to the benefits you are losing

$96,866.01 to $117,623
- honestly if you are doing better than $84,000 a year (ie the last teir). You should just be doing everything to max your income.
- Tht govt isn't doing shit for you except making your life harder, because you are the wealthy and rich (HA!)
- So you aint getting shit, might as well make your own $$$$, because every extra $ you earn, it is going into your pocket after some tax deductions..

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All in all, basically
- if you are making less than $84K, there are some scenarios where it is smart to stay under $84k
- if you are making more than $84K, then max your income, there will be no scenarios where making more will net you less

[JDMDreams]

Rs anti tax tax club.

[JDMDreams]

It's also the same as all the Asians see lais that must take out all their rsp by 65 or they won't get the max gis pension from the government. They should sell their house too so they gov can see they have no assets:pokerface::troll::joy:

[SSM_DC5]

^ I recently heard of this! How much RRSP does one need to reach the point this become a bad idea?

[GLOW]

I'd literally rather jump off the lions gate bridge than be a GM. All the stress of a chef job as far as staffing, removes the creative aspect, and no pay bump in most cases. GM is very lateral to chef as far as pay and hierarchy. I appreciate what you mean though, it just isn't that way per say compared to the tools/office regard. You're still going to be running as a GM, unless you are an operations manager in a corporate setting.
Funny thing though, even though you're higher up the ladder, in that corporate setting you really are implementing much more than getting to make the decisions of what to implement.
Ideally this change wouldn't have been the one. I'd be teaching at VCC, but unfortunately, I didn't go to culinary school, so I'd need to at least get my red seal, which is frustrating, because people with red seals work for me and learn the things school didn't prepare them for.

My wife has been in fine dining since early 2000's. She took an instructor position at VCC when our first son was born (2017). Trust me, it's completely worth it if a red seal is the only thing you need. I'm not a chef, but I'd be happy to answer any questions since i've seen her go through everything, just PM me.

^you guys are all correct

Taxes are maginal 100%, but as someone mentioned, on the lower brackets, it is absolutely true that pushing higher in a bracket can have huge impacts to your family income as a whole.

$0 to $42,184
- Max benefits from BC GOV (ie. free community centre passes such as gym and swimming pool, free swim lessons for kids, basically free programs in that community centre catalog except for the few 3rd partie ones that are not ran under the gov directly)
- huge subsidy in preschool (I was paying the full amount at like $500 a month per child, and some other parents are paying $80? and they drive a Model X, and I was driving a Rogue, cuz even the RAV4 at the time was too expensive if you are financing, 4.99% APR is no joke, Rogue was 0.9% LOL)(thankfully one child was in preschool at a time, but I still ended up paying like 4 years worth (2 years per child) fml)
- max Canada Child Benefit (once again, its like something stupid like $500+ per kid) I don't know cuz my benefit is like >$100 per child...


$42,184.01 to $84,369
- partial benefitis from above, not as subsidized as "low income" families above, but still a decent chunk in everything listed above

$84,369.01 to $96,866
- this is where I assume most of the working population incomes fall under, like actual people who need to work (people like me LOL), you get jack shit from any benefits, because to the govt you are in the "have camp" instead of the "have not camp that needs help"
- for people with income just under @ like $83,000 with kids, you bet they can afford "a better living" than people we are making $85,000 a year. That extra $160 (before taxes mind you, so maybe you are taking home an extra $120?) that you take home every month is doing jack shit compared to the benefits you are losing

$96,866.01 to $117,623
- honestly if you are doing better than $84,000 a year (ie the last teir). You should just be doing everything to max your income.
- Tht govt isn't doing shit for you except making your life harder, because you are the wealthy and rich (HA!)
- So you aint getting shit, might as well make your own $$$$, because every extra $ you earn, it is going into your pocket after some tax deductions..

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All in all, basically
- if you are making less than $84K, there are some scenarios where it is smart to stay under $84k
- if you are making more than $84K, then max your income, there will be no scenarios where making more will net you less

that's per person right? if you're in a dual income family (say one makes $90k and one makes $60k), it looks at each spouse individually, not combined right? sorry i'm not the one that does taxes in the family :lol

[inv4zn]

that's per person right? if you're in a dual income family (say one makes $90k and one makes $60k), it looks at each spouse individually, not combined right? sorry i'm not the one that does taxes in the family :lol

Taxes are not combined. You can claim certain things jointly/shared (ie. Donations) but as far as income goes each person is individual.

But household income is often used to assess things, so it's a bit unfair in that regard.

[Alpine]

It's also the same as all the Asians see lais that must take out all their rsp by 65 or they won't get the max gis pension from the government. They should sell their house too so they gov can see they have no assets:pokerface::troll::joy:

They've already distributed their assets / sources of revenue under the names of their children by the time they reach 65. You have to maximize government benefits!!!

[Dbone]

Of course if you're making enough money to get into that top tier, and you aren't some kind of exec, then it's time to incorporate.

It's not as helpful now as it was 20 years ago, but at least you can save after paying that initial corporate tax bill, earn some passive income, and pay out later in lean years.

Home office FTW!

[bcrdukes]

For those of you who work / worked at the Open Road Group - Are you allowed to cross sell cars from other dealerships? For example, if you worked for let's say Open Road Toyota, can you sell a car to a customer where another car at Open Road Hyundai is inventoried?

[Tapioca]

Of course if you're making enough money to get into that top tier, and you aren't some kind of exec, then it's time to incorporate.

It's not as helpful now as it was 20 years ago, but at least you can save after paying that initial corporate tax bill, earn some passive income, and pay out later in lean years.

Home office FTW!

Top tier is a big range... I doubt your typical middle level salaried employee who is making 120K-150K is going through the trouble to incorporate.

I have physicians in my family who earn ~$2K per shift. At that level, that's when it makes sense to incorporate.

[inv4zn]

For those of you who work / worked at the Open Road Group - Are you allowed to cross sell cars from other dealerships? For example, if you worked for let's say Open Road Toyota, can you sell a car to a customer where another car at Open Road Hyundai is inventoried?

I know a guy at openroad vw, and when I told him my friend was looking for a genesis, he referred my friend to a openroad genesis guy, and said they usually get a small portion of the commission.

[Funnel]

For those of you who work / worked at the Open Road Group - Are you allowed to cross sell cars from other dealerships? For example, if you worked for let's say Open Road Toyota, can you sell a car to a customer where another car at Open Road Hyundai is inventoried?
No

[Gerbs]

^ I recently heard of this! How much RRSP does one need to reach the point this become a bad idea?

Max GIS supplement is $995.99/month or $11,954.88 a year

Current Risk-Free Rate is 4.7% 10-Year GIC at EQ Bank

$11,954.88 / 4.7% = $254,295 invested to earn the same returns.
(GIC and GIS are both included in taxable income if unsheltered the same way)

$552,500 in taxable income is roughly $254,295 taxes paid.

So $552,500 is the break-even point. But you could probably add more benefits to the $11.9K figure to make this number higher like free bus passes.

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/publicpensions/cpp/old-age-security/guaranteed-income-supplement/benefit-amount.html

https://www.wealthsimple.com/en-ca/tool/tax-calculator/british-columbia

[dark0821]

Came here to ask about job change, now getting financial advice.

Revscene never dissapoints lol

[BIC_BAWS]

Came here to ask about job change, now getting financial advice.

Revscene never dissapoints lol

Not financial advice btw :troll:

[Gerbs]

Came here to ask about job change, now getting financial advice.

Revscene never dissapoints lol

Just don't wanna be poor :awwyeah:

[mikemhg]

I purchased my GLI from Open Road VW Burnaby last year.

Might pivot to a Hyundai in a year or so, I'll definitely be reaching out to you then.

[ssjGoku69]

Hyundai is making some pretty exciting looking EV concepts which will help elevate the brand. It'll definitely be something more interesting to look at whenever it hits the road

RN22E
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/RN22e_FINAL_1_800x600.jpg
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/RN22e_FINAL_5_800x600.jpg



N VISION 74
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/N-Vision-74_13_800x600.jpg
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/N-Vision-74_15_crop_800x600.jpg
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/N-Vision-74_07_800x600.jpg

[mikemhg]

Hyundai is making some pretty exciting looking EV concepts which will help elevate the brand. It'll definitely be something more interesting to look at whenever it hits the road

RN22E
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/RN22e_FINAL_1_800x600.jpg
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/RN22e_FINAL_5_800x600.jpg


N VISION 74
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/N-Vision-74_13_800x600.jpg
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/N-Vision-74_15_crop_800x600.jpg
https://www.hyundai.com/content/dam/hyundai/au/en/hyundai-info/news/2022/07/hyundai-motors-n-brand-unveils-two-rolling-lab-concepts-signaling-high-performance-vision-for-electrification-era/N-Vision-74_07_800x600.jpg


Loving the looks of that N VISION 74 very 80's/Cyberpunk vibes to it, I doubt it'll ever make it to production though.

[Gerbs]

I purchased my GLI from Open Road VW Burnaby last year.

Might pivot to a Hyundai in a year or so, I'll definitely be reaching out to you then.

Should give the Elantra N a try, honestly so fun to drive

[mikemhg]

Should give the Elantra N a try, honestly so fun to drive

That's actually the plan :lol

[dark0821]

Alrite guys =)

Not sure if this is allowed, so please remove if needed?

Finally the big day is almost here. I am starting as a car salesman at Open Road Hyundai located in the Richmond Auto Mall starting tomorrow Wednesday Aug 24th.

Please feel free to drop by and have a coffee if you are ever in the area.

Jacky Shen
Product Advisor
Cell. 778 881 6968
Email. jacky.shen@openroadhyundai.com

13251 Smallwood Place, Richmond, B.C. Canada V6V 1W8
t. 604.606.9033 | f. 604.606.9003

https://i.imgur.com/2JOT8ts.png

https://i.imgur.com/7nzjW6W.jpg

wechat QR contact

https://i.imgur.com/JKj3YDI.jpg

[Dbone]

Goodluck man. I put a deposit down on an ioniq 5 a few months ago. Between that and the N line cars there seems to be a lot of good product coming out of Hyundai.

[JDMDreams]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hyundai-kia-recalls-1.6559482

:troll: still teething I guess

[westopher]

Yeah probably the first and only cars out right now with a recall.

[Badhobz]

https://i.imgur.com/2JOT8ts.png

https://i.imgur.com/7nzjW6W.jpg

Nong zi Zhang hei Ning !?!! Way de gang Zhang hai wu !?
Epic. I’ll come shoot the shit with you just to talk to another Shanghai person. :concentrate:

[trollface]

Do you take alipay and unionpay

[Badhobz]

Dirty China money is still money :badpokerface:

[trollface]

I can hear your social credits dropping.

[smoothie.]

OP with the long con to advertise his sales contact

[Spoon]

I am starting as a car salesman at Open Road Hyundai

Rule number one when starting a new job is to know your company name.

OpenRoad is one word. :lol

[Badhobz]

https://c.tenor.com/Wd9ePORKvMYAAAAd/first-day.gif

[JDMDreams]

Time to trade in the LC Corolla for a Elantra :troll::troll::joy:

[68style]

How come the Genesis Canada website has 6 models listed, but you can only build/price 3 of them? Including the big G90 sedan.

[dark0821]

Nong zi Zhang hei Ning !?!! Way de gang Zhang hai wu !?
Epic. I’ll come shoot the shit with you just to talk to another Shanghai person. :concentrate:

yea, was born in Shanghai and was there till grade 6, still speak the dialect to my parents whenever I visit them.

[Badhobz]

yea, was born in Shanghai and was there till grade 6, still speak the dialect to my parents whenever I visit them.

shanghai brother!!!! same, i was born in shanghai too and came here when i was 6 years old:awwyeah:

[GLOW]

https://c.tenor.com/AN-E1ULtDSMAAAAM/step-brothers-best-friends.gif

[radeonboy]

How come the Genesis Canada website has 6 models listed, but you can only build/price 3 of them? Including the big G90 sedan.

I can't build/price the G90, but the rest work for me.

[68style]

I can't build/price the G90, but the rest work for me.

Electrified G80 and GV60 also both don't have build links? At least not that I can see...

[radeonboy]

Electrified G80 and GV60 also both don't have build links? At least not that I can see...

You're right about the G80 EV, but try the link below for GV60?
https://acquisition.genesis.com/vehicles/Genesis/trim/?year=2023&model=GV60&

[Badhobz]

So dark how’s your first few days ? Is it as fun as you expected ?

[dark0821]

Removed =)

[TOS'd]

Remember HQ and potential coworkers browse RS too. Snitches get stitches. :troll:

[punkwax]

- it's defintely different, coming from somewhere I was micro-managed a lot. The sudden freedom seems... well uneasy, as I dont have a clear road map of where I should be in 3 days, in a week, in a month?

Seems pretty on-brand for a company called OpenRoad..

[Tapioca]

Well, now that you're in sales, you're given a long leash to manage your time to meet your targets. I can see it being a big change for you coming from a production-oriented environment, but your experience in your new company is pretty typical.

If you're feeling self-conscious about looking like you're not working, it might not be bad thing to spend some of your day on the phone and chatting with people in your network who might be interested in a Hyundai product. Being on the phone, even if the conversations don't go anywhere, does give off the impression that you're working and hustling.

[BaoTurbo]

- There was basically no orientation, no training material, no nothing LOL I was like... o...k... All the sales seems pretty nice, telling me the steps, running me thru the diff softwares, and diff forms to fill out etc etc.

2nd day (today)
- I was told to go drive all the demo units, find out where all the buttons and functions are. Find out all the local routes and roads, just in case client makes a wrong turn, you still know how to come back to the dealership.
- Learn how to grab demo plate, put info on record, scan key card to key box etc etc
- Once again, I was left alone, I see everyone just chatting here and there, I just grabbed all the brochures of every model and was doing some reading.



That's as much as a welcome you usually get!! haaha

One thing I found that worked for me is to reflect on your day, then figure out what you will be working on the next day.

There will be lots of working and learning on the spot, so your secret is to sleep well and be rested.

[GLOW]

roadmaps? you mean all your cars don't have apple carplay with google maps? KappaPride

[jcmaz]

Well, now that you're in sales, you're given a long leash to manage your time to meet your targets. I can see it being a big change for you coming from a production-oriented environment, but your experience in your new company is pretty typical.

If you're feeling self-conscious about looking like you're not working, it might not be bad thing to spend some of your day on the phone and chatting with people in your network who might be interested in a Hyundai product. Being on the phone, even if the conversations don't go anywhere, does give off the impression that you're working and hustling.

Hence your social credit will go down.

What you need to do is generate your own leads. Company won't give you leads until you prove to then you can close them. So start calling old clients and buy their cars back. Start calling service clients to see if they want to upgrade.

Get them in the showroom and make a connection with them. Just remember 30% rule. 30% calls lead to appointments. If 70% show, then assume 30% will do a deal. How many cars do you want to sell in September?

[CivicBlues]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ov9k3Pq54ky2rNyp2/giphy.gif

[Gerbs]

Did you get to drive the Elantra/Kona N's?

[Badhobz]

let us know when you sell your first car! im sure that's exciting :toot:

[dark0821]

^ Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that I did sell my first car yesterday.

Didn't want to make it official until after the client clears financing, which they did today! Car is being delivered tomorrow @ 11am.

Honestly, the car sold it self. It was a niche car for sure, a top trim 2020 Genesis G70 3.3T Twin Turbo V6 with very minor bolt-ons, K&N short ram intake and downpipe with an aftermarket BOV. (all stock parts were in a big cardboard box inside the trunk)

To most buyers, the car is probably a tad loud, so it took alot of "luxury" out of the car (all those sound sound deadening + acoustically laminated glass) haha.

All I did was told the buyer that when G70 came on the market in 2019, it won Motor Trend car of the year, beating out its german rivals.

The car was test driven on Wednesday, and it was actually the 1st car I took to the "desking payment" stage, when I could show customer what their potential payments are going to be.

The guy needed to secure some funds and told me that he will let me know on Friday. 30min before we closed on Friday, he came in to pay the deposit and applied for financing (yea, financing and I stayed a little bit later past closed to submit the info to the banks).

Unfortunately I couldn't keep the momentum rolling, so nothing happened today, but at least all 6 guests that I've talked to today has all reached the desking stage. So they all walked away knowing what their payments will be if they went ahead.

I am still super newb and defn can't close for shiz. Everytime after the guests leaves, I will talk to the sales manager, and they would be super helpful to let me know what I couldve done to secure deposit. And I would be like "OH YEA! .... faaaacccckkk Why didnt I think of that, or Why didn't I say that?!" That would have totally changed the situation and maybe turned the hesistation to a commitment.

Welp...

It is exciting now, since I can see so much progress since I started, I was finally allowed to approach guest about a week ago.

[Badhobz]

Congrats man !!! I guess you’ll always remember your first sale.

[trollface]

Isn't financing a used car at the dealer = extremely high rates?

I'm trying to buy and R right now and everyone is asking me how I wanna pay. I guess they want to make money on that end, also. Used prices are still insane, no one will move more than 900 on very avg condition cars.

[JDMDreams]

Even new cars have extremely high rates. If you want the deal you can always sign the loan then pay it right off :troll: sucker's

[Badhobz]

So dark how you liking it so far ? Did you make good money off that car or was it below what you expect ?

[punkwax]

Isn't financing a used car at the dealer = extremely high rates?

I'm trying to buy and R right now and everyone is asking me how I wanna pay. I guess they want to make money on that end, also. Used prices are still insane, no one will move more than 900 on very avg condition cars.

The opposite. RBC told me to use the dealership and they were right.

That said, don’t take the first rate they offer either. I can’t remember the exact numbers but the person I was dealing with magically found a rate 3-4% lower than the first one they had proposed, which was closer to that rate that RBC had originally quoted.

[trollface]

I was told you dont make much money on a new car, money is made on trades, add-ons/warranty and financing/leasing.

[Badhobz]

Eh I don’t get. I thought financing and lease rates are done through whatever financing arm from the manufacture. I.e Toyota financial. Those rates are published on Toyotas website so there isn’t any negotiation. Don’t You just pay whatever lease or finance rates they have for that month.

[punkwax]

Not the same with used vehicles..

[Badhobz]

I must be thinking certified pre owned

[dark0821]

^ Thanks everyone.

1) Yes, the money is good. I wont say how much, but this one car sold yields north of 1 grand for my paycheque. And that is without the quota bonuses if I ever get there haha.

2) Yes, most loans (at least @ our dealership) are open loans. We require a minimum 6 month payment terms. Afterthat, you are welcome to pay the remainin principle in one lumpsum (without the interest) and get the loan over with.

3) How much interest we make on the car is irrelevant to the salesperson. That is financing's part of the pie (same as extended warranty, protection plans and accessories). Paying for the car lumpsum, finance, lease, your kidney is all the same to me. It's only financing will give you a big frown if you try to pay it in cash/certified cheque for the full amount.

4) Yes, used car rates is up to ones credit. The finance manager applies for the loan to multiple banks and shops for the best rate. I don't know enough about this area to give a informed answer.

5) interest rates are insane for used and new, but we are still among the lowest rate compared to competition. It's just the "0% APR 96 month" days are behind us.

6) Purely on an enjoyment level, I love this job. It could also be I am new, so no one is really critical about my wrong doing, that or they are super linent. But yea, it is exactly what I was hoping for. Chatting up people and making conversation, learning about them to select the car that meets their needs with our limited inventory (new or used). And trying to get them into a vehicle that they will spend the next few years in day in and day out. I assume the money will come... once I rack up the sale units. But yea, it has been great!

[trollface]

How do i get the best deal

[radeonboy]

Congratulations on your first deal! The learning curve is steep and it can be grating at times, but maintaining a positive attitude is a great way to get the ball rolling. Sounds like the sales managers are willing to coach you as well which will help with closing on future sales.

How do i get the best deal

Buy enough cars from dark0821