[68style]

What difference does it make if it’s purely superficial thought? There’s still massive differences in lifestyle and privilege based on who’s vagina you came out of… just putting lipstick on a pig to SAY that everyone is equal.

Ie: Sikh faith says to treat women equal but in practice/reality they most definitely are not treated equal, not even close.

[Manic!]

What difference does it make if it’s purely superficial thought? There’s still massive differences in lifestyle and privilege based on who’s vagina you came out of… just putting lipstick on a pig to SAY that everyone is equal.

Ie: Sikh faith says to treat women equal but in practice/reality they most definitely are not treated equal, not even close.

It's culture vs religion. Just like many so called Christians many Sikhs don't don't follow the religion 100%. But many also do.

https://www.wearesikhs.org/6_why_do_so_many_sikhs_have_the_last_name_singh_or _kaur

The Sikh Gurus sought to abolish the Indian caste system that assigned value and rights to individuals based on the families they were born into. As part of the movement to end caste discrimination and promote equality among all humans, followers of Sikhism were encouraged to adopt common last names, leaving no identifiable differences between individuals from rich or poor backgrounds. Men were instructed to adopt the last name Singh, meaning lion, and women were encouraged to use Kaur, meaning princess. The use of Kaur, as opposed to adopting family names in marriage, promotes women as individuals with value and identities existing independently of their relationships with men.

10 Badass Sikh Women in History
https://msmagazine.com/2015/03/17/10-badass-sikh-women-in-history/

[JDMDreams]

So which of y'all lucky bastard's got the day off to mourn

[quasi]

So which of y'all lucky bastard's got the day off to mourn

Not me, I asked my boss if I could have it off to mourn the only queen I've ever known but he just laughed and said absolutely not. My wife has it off but she's in her home office working from home anyway? Weird....

[hotjoint]

So which of y'all lucky bastard's got the day off to mourn

I wish I had the day off but I don't mind making 1.5x pay today while regular folks make normal pay. Can't complain

[whitev70r]

Even Google is into it ... :okay:

[Badhobz]

Federally regulated industry gahahah I got it off.

[CivicBlues]

Fucking Apple calendar is taunting me with this non-holiday as well!

[meme405]

no day off, no OT, nothing. Just worked like a normal day.

Between this new stat and the truth and reconciliation day, perhaps a discussion needs to be had on how many vacations the feds can just give themselves. In no time they will basically be working 4 days a week, fucking assholes.

[Mikoyan]

Federally regulated industry here and working normal pay.

[Mikoyan]

no day off, no OT, nothing. Just worked like a normal day.

Between this new stat and the truth and reconciliation day, perhaps a discussion needs to be had on how many vacations the feds can just give themselves. In no time they will basically be working 4 days a week, fucking assholes.

Lol. A lot of the friends I know who work for the Fed government are already on 4 or 4.5 day scheds.

[68style]

Manic tried to get to the Queen's coffin and kill her again? :troll:

https://images.ladbible.com/resize?type=jpeg&quality=70&width=720&fit=pad&dpr=1&url=https://eu-images.contentstack.com/v3/assets/bltcd74acc1d0a99f3a/blt733295528a0e5d0d/632585b37859877703b4f39e/image.jpeg

[Mikoyan]

Manic tried to get to the Queen's coffin and kill her again? :troll:



Probably wanted to check if she was still Reptilian after death.

[Traum]

And here is our drama teacher showing a tremendous amount of situational awareness, and showing the world how much respect he -- on behalf of Canadians -- has for the passing of the Queen:

https://twitter.com/LisaPow33260238/status/1571691069787480064

And this is a prime example of how different the Queen conveys herself to the public compared to our sorry-a$$ "leader". I can't ever remember a single time when the Queen has been caught red-handed disrespecting her country in public even though you know she obviously has her preferences. Two of the most recent examples that I can think of were the time when the Queen hosted Trump in the UK, and her supposed quarrels with Harry / Meghan. It just goes to show how serious she (and by comparison, drama teacher boy) takes her jobs as the public face of her nation.

[Hondaracer]

Lol like he actually gave two shits. Here’s there to booze and schmooze on the tax payers dime

[Manic!]

And here is our drama teacher showing a tremendous amount of situational awareness, and showing the world how much respect he -- on behalf of Canadians -- has for the passing of the Queen:

https://twitter.com/LisaPow33260238/status/1571691069787480064

And this is a prime example of how different the Queen conveys herself to the public compared to our sorry-a$$ "leader". I can't ever remember a single time when the Queen has been caught red-handed disrespecting her country in public even though you know she obviously has her preferences. Two of the most recent examples that I can think of were the time when the Queen hosted Trump in the UK, and her supposed quarrels with Harry / Meghan. It just goes to show how serious she (and by comparison, drama teacher boy) takes her jobs as the public face of her nation.

The bitch was in her lat 70's what did you want her to do punch trump?

Harper singing at a state dinner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltAfEXce7Jk

[68style]

When did it become bad to have a cool PM?

Don't like some of his policies, but seems like a great guy to hang out with lol

[CivicBlues]

LOL wut? Our PM sings Bohemian Rhapsody with a little gusto and you go apeshit? You should see what the Finnish PM was up to last month:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tya-ZLF95jc

[JDMDreams]

I have no issues with that, he's human after all. Wasn't trump chugging bleach or horse dewormer :fulloffuck: and the conservative pp telling people to buy bitcoin to hedge against inflation, fire the bank of Canada:facepalm:

[whitev70r]

Wish I lived in Finland.

[Traum]

When did it become bad to have a cool PM?

There is nothing wrong with having a cool PM, but there is a time and a place for that, and when he is out of the country on official business to mourn / pay respects / celebrate the life of the Queen, he needs to be more stately.

LOL wut? Our PM sings Bohemian Rhapsody with a little gusto and you go apeshit? You should see what the Finnish PM was up to last month:
The Finnish PM was out partying during her own time off, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Trump is obviously the best example of what not to do / how not to act in a stately manner. And he has been cricitized left right and center for it while he was in office.

[CivicBlues]

Looks like it's night time at his hotel. So the PM isn't allowed to have any downtime at all? What is he supposed to do? Prostrate himself over her grave and sob uncontrollably like a North Korean 24/7?

Get a grip. There's plenty to hate and make fun of the guy for, this isn't one of them.

[StylinRed]

I mean he was singing one of the Queens best songs :troll:

[whitev70r]

Can someone explain the image(s) on the cloth that draped over the Queen's coffin? :fulloffuck:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSn9FJ5ZU8o

[StylinRed]

Her coat of arms?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_coat_of_arms_of_the_United_Kingdom

Her Banner of Arms

[MG1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Standard_of_the_United_Kingdom

[danned]

justin: thanks for working today with your ass so our government can get paid

[MG1]

Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, told many that Canada was "home."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/queen-elizabeth-canada-1.6577546

[GS8]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtfliwdvOCM&ab_channel=CBCVancouver

I didn't know the Queen opened UNBC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m_NBnypyIw&ab_channel=KING5

In Vancouver, 7 months after her mom died (she lived to be 101)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I56qNM_t4Go&ab_channel=NHL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYZ6zC2wV2M&ab_channel=TheRoyalFamilyChannel

Nice human being moments



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-mO7rbYtgk&ab_channel=GuardianNews

[MG1]

I have an extensive stamp collection that focusses on the Queen. So many different portraits of her. Everything from Karsh and Wilding to Caricatures, Cameo, and official portraits and phots. My favourite, which is not on any stamp (at least I don't think so), is the one that adorned the halls of all schools in Canada. I remember seeing it in the main entrance of Strathcona Elementary. You look at it and it stirs something in you. For Queen and Country.......... yeah, different times, for sure.

Her coronation, wedding, now her passing.............

Another favourite stamp is the one with her sister when they were young. https://postagestampguide.com/stamps/15578/princess-elizabeth-princess-margaret-rose-1939-canada-postage-stamp

Then there's the "Weeping Princess" 1¢ stamp variety. A flaw in the engraving plate made it look like she was weeping.

https://www.arpinphilately.com/itm/canada-stamp-211i-princess-elizabeth-1-1935

https://www.arpinphilately.com/itm/canada-stamp-386-queen-elizabeth-ii-5-1959

https://www.arpinphilately.com/itm?search_keywords=queen+elizabeth

I guess Yousef Karsh really captured her beauty. Dude was great at portraits.

https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/queen-elizabeth-ii-1951-by-yousuf-karsh--173318285629141956/


Also, search "Trooping the Colour" images.

RCMP Musical Ride members were at the service on Monday and played a huge role. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/the-special-role-the-canadian-mounties-played-in-queen-elizabeth-ii-s-funeral-1.6074444. Imagine if all the regiments from around the commonwealth were in one place. Anyway...............

[Manic!]

https://i.redd.it/ourxs5eqgwo91.png

[Manic!]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Y1O8BiWzVV0?feature=share

[Great68]

How do you not cut yourself with all that edge?

[MarkyMark]

Every positive post about the Queen is a personal attack on Manic. He has no choice but to search YouTube for more ammunition to bring the mood back down to his level.

[mikemhg]

My uncle who served as an eventual captain in the Canadian Air Force was award this below by the queen.

Manic! you're not being edgy by spewing hate for British colonialism, we all know it was bad, alas there will always be conquerors and the conquered.

Be that as it may, however you feel about the Queen she represented a lot to many a people, you might not have known that certain ranking servicemen in Canada receive such recognition from the crown. I'm certainly very proud of my uncle receiving this way back when, and I'm proud of him.

My uncle by the way is as lefty leaning as you can get, a Commie through and through, even in his old age.

I think when you get older you'll learn when to separate a person from the bigger picture of things, life isn't so simple as that. One can represent something for many and be seen as an inspiration, even if the very system they represent can be deemed as fallible.

https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1c0uSz64B63bySwPSxMLqCjSa_LLKkXEI

[Manic!]

I'm not trying to be edgy. My views are the views of millions. Image people who had family members who were part of the Nazi party showing off all the stuff their family stole from the Jews. That's what the royal family is doing right now. It's 2022 people no royal families should exist anywhere in this world.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/entertainmentmusic/not-just-kohinoor-south-africa-tells-england-to-return-its-diamond-and-indians-are-here-for-it/ar-AA11X497

fter the end of Britain’s tyrannical three-century-long rule across a majority of the world, the captors returned back to their homes with treasures plundered from their colonies.

For us Indians, the return of the Koh-i-noor had long been a point of contention with our former colonial overlords.

And now, South Africa joins the party as it has instructed England to return their diamond.

The South African jewel is considered the world’s largest known clear-cut diamond. Along with the Indian origin Koh-i-noor, the Cullinan I finds itself a part of the Royal loot aka The Crown Jewels.

Also known as the Great Star of Africa, the diamond is valued at around INR 3,18,60,200.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVJ4_9ITxk

https://i.redd.it/gthoc2qon1p91.png

[JDMDreams]

So are you gonna give your house back to the natives:pokerface::awwyeah::lawl: it's that time of the month

[CivicBlues]

One could argue that without British colonialism the Indian subcontinent would be some fractured backwater of multiple states. Or an authoritarian Communist state like 1960s China. I mean today the whole country's competitive advantage is the fact that it's cheap labour can speak English.

[Manic!]

One could argue that without British colonialism the Indian subcontinent would be some fractured backwater of multiple states. Or an authoritarian Communist state like 1960s China. I mean today the whole country's competitive advantage is the fact that it's cheap labour can speak English.

https://www.artofliving.org/in-en/culture/amazing-india/india-and-world-trade


Amazing facts about India

From 1 CE all the way through the next two millennia up to 1700 CE, all the large scale industries like mining, metallurgy, textiles, arts, and crafts flourished in India. They boosted trade to such an extent that India held about 1/4th of the world’s GDP (Gross Domestic Product). Yes, the economic history of India is truly astounding.

Rise & fall

The supremacy of India in the world of trade has been brought out by the modern economist Paul Kennedy in his book, The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers. He observes, “India’s share in world trade, which was a very healthy 25 percent of the total world trade, drastically dropped to a decimal percentage in a span of 200 years, which was the period of the British rule of India.”




Imagine saying sometimes rape is OK if a kid is born.

[68style]

^ saying an opinion on turn of the century world power dynamics is the same mentality as a person today saying they’re okay with rape? :heckno:

[Manic!]

^ saying an opinion on turn of the century world power dynamics is the same mentality as a person today saying they’re okay with rape? :heckno:

My point was ends don't justify the means. during WW2 over 3 million Bengali's died of famine because of the British exporting food out of the country.

[CivicBlues]

I'll be the first to admit my historical knowledge of India is patchy at best. And I'm not saying that British rule was benevolent...far from it. But of course India has great material wealth, it's a subcontinent full of people. And there's no question the Brits extracted an enormous amount of that material wealth. I'm talking about India's relevance in today's economy

Genuine question...But was India ever a unified state prior to 1700? I mean the South is pretty goddamn different from the North. It's hard to see these two cultures coming together without colonial intervention

Alls I'm saying is that India as an IT powerhouse today wouldn't be possible without colonial remnants like the English Language, Common Law, and Education.

[whitev70r]

I think what people are saying is that you can help countries and nations with economic and educational advancement, etc. but don't steal their treasures, enslave their people, and try to wipe out their culture.

Maybe even Manic! (and others) can agree with this.

[CivicBlues]

Yup colonialism Bad, but it really was a first try at what we now call globalization and the thousandth iteration of human "might makes right" nature. The whole narrative that the British Empire was benevolent is literally history written by the victors. But let's not fool ourselves, if it wasn't them it would have been someone else.

Only a Sikh deals with absolutes
(https://img-comment-fun.9cache.com/media/ayoo8Er/agxz2KLL_700w_0.jpg)
Sorry for the stupid Star Wars joke I swear I didn't make it:p

[Bouncing Bettys]

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1572220948631244802
Don Lemon still has a job?

[Manic!]

https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1572220948631244802
Don Lemon still has a job?

Imagine me punching you in the face repentantly then stopping and saying you must be so grateful I was here to stop you from getting punched in the face.

[GS8]

Imagine me punching you in the face repentantly then stopping and saying you must be so grateful I was here to you getting punched in the face.

https://www.revscene.net/forums/709558-engrish-101-a.html

[bcrdukes]

Alls I'm saying is that India as an IT powerhouse today wouldn't be possible without colonial remnants like the English Language, Common Law, and Education.

This is purely anecdotal evidence at best, having travelled to Bangalore, Chennai, and Pune for technology-related work and meeting with Indian companies, at least a dozen or so people I met working at the companies agreed that it was the English language that unified them and opened up opportunities for them. I took it with a grain of salt, but this is what they said to me. Without the English language, they wouldn't be where they are today.

[MG1]

Think of the world back in the 14 to 1800's. Its was like the space race of not that long ago. You had the French, the Spaniards, Portuguese, and Russians all competing for lands, territories, and riches. Looking for the alternate passage to the East. Explorers sailed under the flags of their country. Even Italia (Florence) - Amerigo Vespucci......... Christopher Columbus was also Italian, but sailed for Spain.

All because Marco Polo found his way to the Orient. Came back with all kinds of goodies. Europeans were so enthralled by all the neat shit, that all the countries of Europe wanted to find a safe passage to the east. Going by land was treacherous. Often impassable. Anyway, these nations just took what they wanted and claimed the territories along the way. Then there was jack Sparrow.......... pirates, lol.

Most nations (loose term) were just taken over by the Europeans.

Wars everywhere over territories and land. Thinking of WWI and WWII, regiments from lands taken were involved in fighting for the countries that ruled them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Commonwealth_infantry_regiments

The Gorkha's for example, were fierce fighters. Anyway, the world was much more complicated when it came to empires, military presence, and such. The advances in technology and strategies. Crazy..........


Forgot to mention the church (christianity). They were in there like a dirty shirt. In the name of god. "We need to spread the word of god!" Save these savages from darkness and evil.

[Manic!]

I'll be the first to admit my historical knowledge of India is patchy at best. And I'm not saying that British rule was benevolent...far from it. But of course India has great material wealth, it's a subcontinent full of people. And there's no question the Brits extracted an enormous amount of that material wealth. I'm talking about India's relevance in today's economy

Genuine question...But was India ever a unified state prior to 1700? I mean the South is pretty goddamn different from the North. It's hard to see these two cultures coming together without colonial intervention

Alls I'm saying is that India as an IT powerhouse today wouldn't be possible without colonial remnants like the English Language, Common Law, and Education.

India is a country made up by the British.

Over a period of six weeks in the summer of 1947, Cyril Radcliffe, a British lawyer who had never been to India and had no experience in boundary-making, drew a 2500-mile-long line that would divide India and Pakistan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw9psR8MyPI&t=21s






I think what people are saying is that you can help countries and nations with economic and educational advancement, etc. but don't steal their treasures, enslave their people, and try to wipe out their culture.

Maybe even Manic! (and others) can agree with this.

What you are talking about is called the white savior complex. It's where western countries/people think they know what's best for other nations. India did not ask for help and did not need it. It was not some backwater hole. The sub-continent invented paper and the written language. It also invented the number zero.

Helping people is a good thing, right?

Not always.

White savior complex is a term that’s used to describe white people who consider themselves wonderful helpers to Black, Indigenous and People of Color (BIPOC) — but they “help” for the wrong reasons (and sometimes end up doing more to hurt than help).

Before the British occupation, India was not a poor backwater, but a culturally and economically prosperous civilization that had existed for millennia. India was home to the oldest university in the world, had originated our numerical system, had produced countless thinkers, philosophers, poets, and scientists.

[CivicBlues]

China, the Americas, the Middle East were all prosperous and economically self-sufficient to various extents.

BUT

They all failed to industrialize prior to the 18th century when much of NW Europe did. Not discounting anything you've said but it's clear that when one civilization reaches that tipping point first, it makes it extremely difficult for the others who do not. China being a strong unified state and was able to resist full colonization but still suffering from it's effects. The most likely scenario for "India" if not colonized and unified by the British would have been their eventual colonization by other European powers and ending up a fractured mess like today's Sub-Saharan Africa. This is not a moral argument for colonialism just a harsh statement of fact. Just because you were king in High School doesn't mean you're set up for success the rest of your life.

[MG1]

Japan was a state that was taken more seriously by the west than the rest of Asia. Japan, being an island state, never (afaik) got invaded. Cultural invasion, for sure, but not militarily. When Commodore Perry showed up with his black ships, Japan knew, in an instant, this was not any normal attempt to invade it. Look up "Kamikaze." That was from Korea's attempt at invasion way way back in history. Anyway, the Japanese put up large wall of sheets to keep the white devils from seeing what defences they had, which was nothing to speak of. The threat of the white devils lead to the Meiji Restoration and the beginning of industrialization in Japan. Japan became an unrivalled power in the east. Then, later in history, the British, Russian, French, and Portuguese were totally ass kicked by the Japanese. They, however, made the mistake of picking a fight with the United States of America. Anyway, the west influenced world order.

https://canadianstampnews.com/canadas-first-christmas-stamp/

"We Hold a Vaster Empire Than Has Been."

[Manic!]

China, the Americas, the Middle East were all prosperous and economically self-sufficient to various extents.

BUT

They all failed to industrialize prior to the 18th century when much of NW Europe did. Not discounting anything you've said but it's clear that when one civilization reaches that tipping point first, it makes it extremely difficult for the others who do not. China being a strong unified state and was able to resist full colonization but still suffering from it's effects. The most likely scenario for "India" if not colonized and unified by the British would have been their eventual colonization by other European powers and ending up a fractured mess like today's Sub-Saharan Africa. This is not a moral argument for colonialism just a harsh statement of fact. Just because you were king in High School doesn't mean you're set up for success the rest of your life.

https://www.vedantu.com/commerce/industrialization-in-india

History of industrialization in India

During the colonial period, India followed the non-industrial model as a developing country. However, a significant number of Indians took this model as a hindrance towards growth and they opined that only industrialization could maximize the economic growth of the country. After independence, India’s first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru employed the tool of industrialization to eradicate poverty from the country.



With the introduction of industrialization, there was a significant amount of growth through the flow of internal and external economies that pushed the country towards self-sufficiency. Further, the government realized that the potential of exports and agriculture was limited and hence taxation occurred based on the terms of trade. Heavy industry of the country was given attention by emphasizing import substitution.



The introduction of industrialization in India could only be catalyzed through the implication of a centralized and planned economy. The administrative control occurred with the foundation of The Industries Act 1951 which focused on the development and regulation of the industry.

[CivicBlues]

The first line of the article literally says India industrialized during the Colonial period.

[Hehe]

The problem is many people today hate for the sole reason of hating.

That hate goes so far that they are unwilling to recognize any contribution that party/person/whatever made to the society.

Was Albert Einstein perfect? No. Outside of the academic, he was know to have issues with his family and some of his political views aren't particularly "acceptable" by today's standard. But this should not affect the recognition he deserves for the contribution he made to the society and science.

Was QEII perfect? Hell no. But as a monarch, she really devoted herself to the best interest of British people and the British monarchy is aspired to be. The fact that some want to look at nothing but bad things she had done really buzzle me. Many things that Manic! pointed out was not as simple as you make it to be. There are many things to consider... social influences, people's perception to monarchy... among many things.

No one is perfect. We are only human... so was QEII. But we all strive to be the best we can be and I truly believe that's what counts.

[donk.]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTH0w-5g9a226yXkB-XNYbiw_WbQk3pe0fxpA&usqp=CAU

The problem is many people today hate for the sole reason of hating.

That hate goes so far that they are unwilling to recognize any contribution that party/person/whatever made to the society.



donk qualified for this statement

[Manic!]

The problem is many people today hate for the sole reason of hating.

That hate goes so far that they are unwilling to recognize any contribution that party/person/whatever made to the society.

Was Albert Einstein perfect? No. Outside of the academic, he was know to have issues with his family and some of his political views aren't particularly "acceptable" by today's standard. But this should not affect the recognition he deserves for the contribution he made to the society and science.

Was QEII perfect? Hell no. But as a monarch, she really devoted herself to the best interest of British people and the British monarchy is aspired to be. The fact that some want to look at nothing but bad things she had done really buzzle me. Many things that Manic! pointed out was not as simple as you make it to be. There are many things to consider... social influences, people's perception to monarchy... among many things.

No one is perfect. We are only human... so was QEII. But we all strive to be the best we can be and I truly believe that's what counts.

Did Albert Einstein walk around with a bunch of stuff his family stole?

People keep telling me the Queen did a bunch of great stuff but Know one can list. Can you list things she has done that go beyond what an average person has done.

The royal family is nothing special and below many average family's.

Chuck meet Diana when he was 29 and she was 16. At that time he was dating her sister. 3 years later when he was 32 and she was 19 they got engaged. If your neighbour told you his daughter who was 19 was marrying a 32 year old who she meet when she was 16 what would you say?


https://i.redd.it/7hoh5oz6d9p91.jpg

[CivicBlues]

By that logic anyone who is a descendent of a British Parliamentarian, or the descendant of a trader, industrialist or nobility that benefited from the colonization of India should be held responsible and made to pay reparations?

[El Bastardo]

Anyone see that one episode of Atlanta? Similar to what CivicBlues is talking about.

[Manic!]

By that logic anyone who is a descendent of a British Parliamentarian, or the descendant of a trader, industrialist or nobility that benefited from the colonization of India should be held responsible and made to pay reparations?

Are they walking around wearing stolen items?

Do you think Jews have the right to recover art that was stolen from their families by nazi's?

[JoshuaWong]

Histories full of winners and losers, but time marches on and world goes round.

[murd0c]

Go to most museums in the world, everything is stolen.. There have always been wars and out comes a winner and a loser. Just because someone conquered a country 400 years ago and stole jewels and precious items doesn't mean those items should be retuned. That is what history is about, it's bad and good and we shouldn't be responsible for what happened in the past as long as we learned from it.

[MG1]

Nobody better bring up the head tax thing. Those were people not of Canadian Citizenship. They wanted to come over here then got pissed because of a head tax.

What was even more crappy was the Internment of Canadian Citizens. My family was affected by it, but nobody. Not a single family member whined about it. My father kept saying it was war. Par for the course. Lost his family home, fishing vessel, everything. Sent east, 'cause he was a young male with a Japanese background (although he had Polynesian heritage). This world is unfair. You deal with it and move on. Instead of crying and whining about it, my father decided to dig himself out of poverty. Experienced racism, unfair practices, tormented by the RCMP, the union, longshoreman, etc. I can guarantee you he was so proud to fight through all that bullshit and become successful.

So, don't go whining about this and that, 'cause, like my father would say, "Fullshit!" He kept his dignity and integrity (the two things they couldn't steal from him). /rant

[Manic!]

Nobody better bring up the head tax thing. Those were people not of Canadian Citizenship. They wanted to come over here then got pissed because of a head tax.

What was even more crappy was the Internment of Canadian Citizens. My family was affected by it, but nobody. Not a single family member whined about it. My father kept saying it was war. Par for the course. Lost his family home, fishing vessel, everything. Sent east, 'cause he was a young male with a Japanese background (although he had Polynesian heritage). This world is unfair. You deal with it and move on. Instead of crying and whining about it, my father decided to dig himself out of poverty. Experienced racism, unfair practices, tormented by the RCMP, the union, longshoreman, etc. I can guarantee you he was so proud to fight through all that bullshit and become successful.

So, don't go whining about this and that, 'cause, like my father would say, "Fullshit!" He kept his dignity and integrity (the two things they couldn't steal from him). /rant

The head tax was not for people who where not Canadian it was only for the Chinese. Prime Minister Brian Mulroney apologized for internment camps in 88 and gave compensation to any survivors. The royal family has never even apologized.

[Great68]

Why would the royal family apologize for something the Canadian government, then confederated and independent from the crown, implemented?

[Manic!]

Why would the royal family apologize for something the Canadian government, then confederated and independent from the crown, implemented?

I am taking about the crimes the royal family did. This is the closest we got.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBGUlYVS0O4

[SkinnyPupp]

Just because someone conquered a country 400 years ago and stole jewels and precious items doesn't mean those items should be retuned.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/hEq5gKy2bsGWY/giphy.gif

[MG1]

Prime Minister Brian Mulroney apologized for internment camps in 88 and gave compensation to any survivors.

My uncle's best friend lost property in Aldergrove. A large parcel of land. In and around the 264th exit. It was confiscated and he and his family eventually lost it all (records being lost). Nobody from that family got anything as they all passed away before seeing anything. In fact, most of those who were interned died before hearing that apology.

Most of them accepted their fate. It was war. They just happened to be caught up in something they had no control over. Our government stole a lot of property and belongings................. from their own citizens.

All this is nothing compared to those who escaped from their homeland with nothing but their lives and the clothes on their back. Wars in Europe were brutal. Jewels and shit. Really?

Manic, use your great wealth and knowledge and make a difference. Get together with your buddy, Jagmeet and work for change, so all citizens are treated equal, including the indigenous population. Be the crusader you think you are and do it! I believe in you...............



god bless

[Manic!]

My uncle's best friend lost property in Aldergrove. A large parcel of land. In and around the 264th exit. It was confiscated and he and his family eventually lost it all (records being lost). Nobody from that family got anything as they all passed away before seeing anything. In fact, most of those who were interned died before hearing that apology.

Most of them accepted their fate. It was war. They just happened to be caught up in something they had no control over. Our government stole a lot of property and belongings................. from their own citizens.

All this is nothing compared to those who escaped from their homeland with nothing but their lives and the clothes on their back. Wars in Europe were brutal. Jewels and shit. Really?

Manic, use your great wealth and knowledge and make a difference. Get together with your buddy, Jagmeet and work for change, so all citizens are treated equal, including the indigenous population. Be the crusader you think you are and do it! I believe in you...............



god bless

What happened to your family and your uncle's best friend was absolutely terrible. You may have accepted it bud many Japanese did not. That's why the government was forced to apologize and pay out money.

Can you honestly tell me if you saw your dad's boat in a harbor some part of you would not want it back?

[MG1]

The people who were directly affected by the Internment took it on the chin. It was the following generations that started the wheels turning. I was affected in that we were forced to live in a one bedroom, one kitchen apartment in the DTES, with no bathroom. Shared the bathroom with 15 other families. 16 years of living like that. When young, I thought that was normal. When I grew up and reached high school, that was when it hit me......... this wasn't normal. I was so ashamed. Couldn't invite any friends over. Only one friend ever saw the way I lived. This black kid who became my best friend ever. Anyway, facing adversity is a powerful thing. I never got into feeling anger towards any one group. No time for that shit. When I went to UBC, it was worse. By this time, we moved away from the DTES. Still, no matter how hard you try, you can't hide your past. Thing that saved me? ESL classes at Strathcona. Shit, we had some fine educators at Strath. My wife grew up a few blocks away. Her family was a little better off. Life was tough. Once in a while, I still drive by the old neighbourhood to show my kids how I grew up.

What's really funny is I almost went over to the dark side. Found refuge at St. James Anglican Church Got to know Father Gardner (I think that was his name). Always open and always welcoming. I came to my senses........... thank god.

DTES was a very dark place, but what's really cool is any kind of light will shine so brightly. A colleague of mine used to say, "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."


EDIT: My father got back into fishing after the war. Rental boat (probably from the lot that was confiscated during the war). He had some successful seasons and purchased his own boat. Named it after my sister. We worked on that boat like what seemed forever. Fixed it up. Installed a Ford Diesel engine, fibreglassed the hull, added higher gunwales, technology upgrades like radar, communications equipment, etc. Learned about bending and shaping wood. Electrical, mechanical, plumbing, you name it. Without any of this, I wouldn't be who I am now. My father did well for a person who had a grade two level of education. Anyway.........................

[Gumby]

MG1, you have such a positive outlook on life; it’s very refreshing to see. Thank you!

[MG1]

I hate to hijack threads, but it is, after all, in the "Off Topic" forum.

I forgot to mention how music shaped my life. At 8 or 9 years old, I joined a local marching band. I was obsessed with music at a young age. Living on top of a night club/discotheque, lol, might have had something to do with it. Band became an option at Strathcona Elementary. It didn't last very long, but my mother bought me a trumpet. I believed she spent all her entire life savings on it (thanks, mom). I loved my trumpet. The buildings in the neighbourhood were all joined together with little to no space between them. The rooftop to the businesses below bordered the kitchen window. I remember stepping out and playing my trumpet on the rooftop. Played songs I've heard on the radio and some made up stuff - played what I felt at the moment. I could really belt out notes on the instrument. Beyond the rooftops was the hotel (Lions Hotel, I believe). Single men were residents of that hotel. multiple floors ten maybe more floors. Never did I get a, "STFU," or items thrown at me. I basically serenaded those people. It was like out of a movie, hee hee. The music teacher at Lord Strathcona Elementary, Dr. Theo Goldberg was a genius. He took my gift for music to a whole new level. Later on when I studied music at UBC, I was totally shocked when I found out he was a prof there. Mr. Harold King was the band teacher at Britannia Secondary. God, I loved that man. My mom loved to listen to me play. If it weren't for music, i would have probably done drugs or join a gang. So many forks and crossroads encountered, I have. I was fortunate that I made some right choices. I remember this one dude who moved into the neighbourhood. He wasn't a classmate, as he went to another school. He lived in the Gastown area, so probably went to some school in the downtown area. Anyway, he's the one who got me into smoking. His room was so cool, at least I thought so at the time. Beads, incense, and other weird stuff. Almost went to Woodstock with him, lol. Was gong to hop on a train and find our way there, somehow. My mother found out about me hanging out with this guy through people in the neighbouhood. What smartened me up was the time I saw my mom sobbing in the bedroom. I saw this and my heart just, don't know how to describe it. I quietly left the room and swore never to see this guy again. He moved to Vancouver from somewhere down in the US. I looked up to this guy. He was older and so "worldly." The neighbourhood is nothing like it is now. So many young families, mostly made up of immigrants. I remember how we all looked out for each other. My father , being a commercial fisherman was never home half the year. He was off to the West Coast (Ucuet/Tofino), Charlottes (Haida Guai), Prince Rupert, etc.

Maybe this post should be in this thread, but it is about adversity and dealing with stuff out of your control.

https://www.revscene.net/forums/587745-vancouver-history.html#post6572337

[Manic!]

The people who were directly affected by the Internment took it on the chin. It was the following generations that started the wheels turning. I was affected in that we were forced to live in a one bedroom, one kitchen apartment in the DTES, with no bathroom. Shared the bathroom with 15 other families. 16 years of living like that. When young, I thought that was normal. When I grew up and reached high school, that was when it hit me......... this wasn't normal. I was so ashamed. Couldn't invite any friends over. Only one friend ever saw the way I lived. This black kid who became my best friend ever. Anyway, facing adversity is a powerful thing. I never got into feeling anger towards any one group. No time for that shit. When I went to UBC, it was worse. By this time, we moved away from the DTES. Still, no matter how hard you try, you can't hide your past. Thing that saved me? ESL classes at Strathcona. Shit, we had some fine educators at Strath. My wife grew up a few blocks away. Her family was a little better off. Life was tough. Once in a while, I still drive by the old neighbourhood to show my kids how I grew up.

What's really funny is I almost went over to the dark side. Found refuge at St. James Anglican Church Got to know Father Gardner (I think that was his name). Always open and always welcoming. I came to my senses........... thank god.

DTES was a very dark place, but what's really cool is any kind of light will shine so brightly. A colleague of mine used to say, "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."


EDIT: My father got back into fishing after the war. Rental boat (probably from the lot that was confiscated during the war). He had some successful seasons and purchased his own boat. Named it after my sister. We worked on that boat like what seemed forever. Fixed it up. Installed a Ford Diesel engine, fibreglassed the hull, added higher gunwales, technology upgrades like radar, communications equipment, etc. Learned about bending and shaping wood. Electrical, mechanical, plumbing, you name it. Without any of this, I wouldn't be who I am now. My father did well for a person who had a grade two level of education. Anyway.........................

Your father a Canadian citizen was treated worse than a criminal just because of his ethnicity. But we had people who knew that was wrong and fought to make sure it never happens again.

Family story time:

In the 70's Quesnel BC only had one pub and it would not allow brown people to drink there. One night a brown guy goes in. The people at the bar tell him to get out or they will kick his ass. He said O.K. lets go. So they go outside thinking they where going to kick the shit out of this one guy. Outside his buddies where waiting behind cars with cricket bats and swords. A donnybrook broke out. One of the white guys from the bar lost an arm. From that day forward no one said shit to brown people drinking at the pub.

[MG1]

Wrong idiom. My bad.

[Mikoyan]

Family story time:

In the 70's Quesnel BC only had one pub and it would not allow brown people to drink there. One night a brown guy goes in. The people at the bar tell him to get out or they will kick his ass. He said O.K. lets go. So they go outside thinking they where going to kick the shit out of this one guy. Outside his buddies where waiting behind cars with cricket bats and swords. A donnybrook broke out. One of the white guys from the bar lost an arm. From that day forward no one said shit to brown people drinking at the pub.

Did George Lucas steal your story?

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxDLYurRfWrPv_CRAXqKJgYRDVZ9NHqkgh

[threezero]

Totally off topic. Manic, did you really just try to one-up MG1's awesome story with a bar fight story EleGiggle

[Badhobz]

Hoo teeni!!

edit: crap its Utini not hooteni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BDfA0DSqn8

[Slifer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHqgvWivkyY&ab_channel=CarlVernon

[Manic!]

John Oliver on stolen artifacts at museums. Nails it on the head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alhZkQcp_5s

[punkwax]

https://twitter.com/dramadelinquent/status/1570119248978280451?s=48&t=kto-hlZq8ioWT12iB6Imsw