[SkinnyPupp]

uh actually yes they are. I dunno if you've lived in the USA/CANADA/UK in the last little while, but pronouns are a thing in most corporations, and schools, and the military, you will be punished for not using them.

in the USA they enforce it on the kids in school and hide it from the parents so that the parents have no knowledge or influence over the kids.

they enforce it in women's competitions where they allow ex-men to compete with women and completely destroy them. it's forced down everyone's throats. they share the same changing rooms too. men with full ding dongs hanging out in women's washrooms in front of all the women.


in the jobs I've had in the past 10-20 years, you can literally feel the enforcement of it with endless training and education and special preference and treatment, trying to change the narrative as much as possible to fit what is expected of "current normal society".

then in the backrooms and secret groups, the whisperings of "what the fuck is happening" spreads, but no one can say it out loud cuz they're too scared of getting targeted by the woke police.

Even my friends with young kids going to public school say the kids have a list of sanctioned items, and only those items can be brought to school. specific crayon brands... etc etc. because no kid can have more privilege than another kid. they want all kids to be equal. what, the, fuck?

So just cuz I can afford a japanese mechanical pencil for my kid, he's not allowed to use it? he's gotta buy some fucking sanctioned BIC pencil like all the other kids?

you know what that sounds like? the military. militarization of schools, indoctrination of these ideas which are forced and you cannot opt out or speak out against it.

They're literally trying to pump out as many woke soliders as possible.


USA/UK are literally becoming Sodom and Gomorrah, where perversion and erosion or morals are becoming the norm.
Your kids go to public school?

[Manic!]

and this is not grooming?

https://www.bocaratontribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/IMG_6595.jpg

[SkinnyPupp]

Manic FailFish

[Badhobz]

woah! leave dem skanks and whores out of it manic... thats the only enjoyment i have left.

[Great68]

Lol at "forced language".

Like would you people really be such douches that if you met someone in person who told you "I prefer they/them pronouns" you'd be like "Fuck your stupid pronouns, you look like you have a penis so I'm calling you He/Him"

[westopher]

It's like this girl I know who doesn't go by her given name, because she said it reminds her of her shitty past, and she cut someone off because they refused to call her by what she goes by.
Like what is that person trying to prove? "I don't care if this upsets you I PLAY BY THE FUCKIN RULES SHOW ME YOUR ID!"
What's the fucking point of making someone feel shitty for no fucking reason?

[BIC_BAWS]

Lol at "forced language".

Like would you people really be such douches that if you met someone in person who told you "I prefer they/them pronouns" you'd be like "Fuck your stupid pronouns, you look like you have a penis so I'm calling you He/Him"My boss says this exactly... But behind their backs lol

Sent from my SM-G781W using Tapatalk

[sonick]

Lol shiiieet nobody tell e-spec

https://www.tricitynews.com/highlights/coquitlam-readies-for-first-ever-pride-event-on-july-15-6871221

Coquitlam will make good on a promise to Dr. Charles Best Secondary students in the school's Gay/Straight Alliance (GSA) to pilot a Pride party.

...
On July 15, the City Centre arts hub will host Cirque de Coquitlam – a Drag Circus! that will be followed by a ticketed after-party in the rehearsal hall.

[westopher]

This will definitely make a bunch of gays out of ungays.
It's funny because people think that there is an increase of LGBTQ community because of "grooming" when it's just that kids are feeling like they don't have to live their whole lives in the closet because no support system exists.

[320icar]

That’s not what I mean about forced language. I think 99% of the population would have no issues addressing you the way they would prefer. It’s no more difficult than any other greeting etc. and I totally agree.

But you see it online all the time when you’ll get someone that say, looks like a woman, sounds like a woman, acts like a woman. So someone addresses them as ma’am and all hell breaks loose because they were mis-gendered.

Then you have all the cancel culture stuff which is almost getting out of hand. Imagine getting fired because you misgendered someone who, by all physical traits, is the gender you addressed them by.

Nothing to do with this thread really but society will need to sit down and figure stuff out soon or else things will get really blurry and messy and no one will end up being happy

[sonick]

This will definitely make a bunch of gays out of ungays.
It's funny because people think that there is an increase of LGBTQ community because of "grooming" when it's just that kids are feeling like they don't have to live their whole lives in the closet because no support system exists.

I wonder if it's straight people who are so insecure about their sexuality they just don't want to risk being exposed to anything gay out there coz they are afraid they might start liking dick.

[MarkyMark]

Anyone who looks a certain gender and gets upset if you mistakingly misgender them is just looking to get offended and they can go suck a huge bag of dicks. If you know what pronoun they want to be called and still decide to call them otherwise then maybe you should think about why it's such a big deal to you to upset someone for no good reason.

[Great68]

In actual person to person encounters I would expect most people to be reasonable. If you use the wrong pronoun initially because you didn't know any better, a reasonable person would probably correct you with "Actually I prefer to be addressed as ...".

And an equally reasonable person would say "Ok thanks for the correction", and use the correct pronouns from there on. This is how it typically goes.

However, if afterwards someone continue to use the wrong pronoun out of belligerence or otherwise, then expect an equally hostile response and things to get out of hand.

[SkinnyPupp]

In actual person to person encounters I would expect most people to be reasonable. If you use the wrong pronoun initially because you didn't know any better, a reasonable person would probably correct you with "Actually I prefer to be addressed as ...".

And an equally reasonable person would say "Ok thanks for the correction", and use the correct pronouns from there on. This is how it typically goes.
That sure sounds like the "perversion and erosion of morals"

[Great68]

I think there's probably a certain number of people who don't like or are embarrassed that they got corrected so they get upset rather than apologetic. Those are the real assholes. But I've never once seen an LGBTQ person flip out at being misgendered when it was a genuine mistake.

[MarkyMark]

I'm sure there's been pricks on both sides. If you call someone a "her" and then an hour later you're getting called into HR it would probably leave a sour taste in your mouth lol

I feel like most of this shit is just internet complaining and in the real world most people don't actually follow through with what they say they would do online.

[Great68]

How often in real life are people actually getting called to HR for a genuine mistake like that?

I feel like people are playing up this scenario in their minds and getting all upset over something that is probably very rare in reality

[SkinnyPupp]

How often in real life are people actually getting called to HR for a genuine mistake like that?

About as often as Ulic's children are forced to use a certain brand of pencil

[westopher]

Usually the people that would be calling HR over something like that are straight white females with them/they in their IG bio trying to latch on to the latest "victim card"
I had two trans women working for me before (both born male, mid transition with hormones, some surgeries done, etc) and they were misgendered regularly by people and totally just would be like "hey I prefer female pronouns and would explain where they were at in a quick sentence and never made a deal out of it.
There's totally gonna be people that make a deal out of nothing, but as I said before, they represent themselves, not an entire group of people, so the idea of blaming a whole group for that interaction is absurd.

[westopher]

About as often as Ulic's children are forced to use a certain brand of pencil
Things that never happened for $1000 Alex.
That didn't happen so hard that it unhappened things that happened.

[donk.]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/521/DumpsterFire2.jpg

THE DUMPSTER FIRE THREAD IS BACK BABY!!!!!!


Alright guys, which one of you is friends with E-Spec? We need him back on here to help grow this dumpster fire again, I want to see at least a full shipping container of action in here

[Badhobz]

i always told my wife that with my last ounce of strength, ill roll myself into a dumpster and have her set it on fire. that way i can save on the funeral costs.

fuck you big funeral!! you cant get any money outta this dead chinaman.

[mikemhg]

None of these things fucking happen in real life :lol

I have a buddy that goes off on and on about this same shit every time I see him. Gender pronoun this, woke that, it literally consumes him to the point where I've lost my shit on him a number of times.

Dog, how many times has someone got mad at you for labeling them the wrong gender (he works at a liquor store, deals with the public), his answer, really never.

So I ask then, why is this subject so important to you? It's because his goddamn Youtube algorithm is flooding his mind with utter bullshit. This is an internet culture phenomenon like much of this stuff.

I've worked in a number of large corporations -- you'll get some people that put she/her, he/him in their signature, that's the extent of it. Anyone who in actual life that would take serious umbrage and berate you for mischaracterizing their gender is not a serious person.

This is college kid online bullshit that does not translate into the real world in any meaningful way.

[westopher]

i always told my wife that with my last ounce of strength, ill roll myself into a dumpster and have her set it on fire. that way i can save on the funeral costs.

fuck you big funeral!! you cant get any money outta this dead chinaman.
I asked for a Viking funeral and was told that I can't have that. Fucking bullshit.

[SkinnyPupp]

None of these things fucking happen in real life :lol

I have a buddy that goes off on and on about this same shit every time I see him. Gender pronoun this, woke that, it literally consumes him to the point where I've lost my shit on him a number of times.

Dog, how many times has someone got mad at you for labeling them the wrong gender (he works at a liquor store, deals with the public), his answer, really never.

So I ask then, why is this subject so important to you? It's because his goddamn Youtube algorithm is flooding his mind with utter bullshit. This is an internet culture phenomenon like much of this stuff.

I've worked in a number of large corporations -- you'll get some people that put she/her, he/him in their signature, that's the extent of it. Anyone who in actual life that would take serious umbrage and berate you for mischaracterizing their gender is not a serious person.

This is college kid online bullshit that does not translate into the real world in any meaningful way.
I'd say it's more like a cross between militarization and Sodom and Gomorrah.

[Badhobz]

I asked for a Viking funeral and was told that I can't have that. Fucking bullshit.

Me and you die together okay ? Save on funeral costs. :fullofwin:

[hud 91gt]

Honestly the stories I get from guys at work (we work one on one for hours at a time in pure boredom) with kids in their teen years is pretty disheartening. The issues with this pronoun stuff, the fact I worked with 2 guys in a month (where their kids were transgender taking hormone pills) is kinda insane (out of 10 guys total). Kids boyfriends/girlfriends that don’t identify as boys or girls so I guess partners? Going to family dinners and challenging the grandparents on the identity/pronoun subjects because they don’t know what is what. It’s kind of fucked. But maybe that’s just confused teenagers?

[SkinnyPupp]

Honestly the stories I get from guys at work (we work one on one for hours at a time in pure boredom) with kids in their teen years is pretty disheartening. The issues with this pronoun stuff, the fact I worked with 2 guys in a month (where their kids were transgender taking hormone pills) is kinda insane (out of 10 guys total). Kids boyfriends/girlfriends that don’t identify as boys or girls so I guess partners? Going to family dinners and challenging the grandparents on the identity/pronoun subjects because they don’t know what is what. It’s kind of fucked. But maybe that’s just confused teenagers?
It may sound odd to us or our parents to use "partner" and other non gendered words. But who cares? Language is always developing. Many languages don't use gender pronouns at all. In Japanese for instance, everyone is "them/they" unless you need to specify. More often you'd use their name

[whitev70r]

I want to be understanding, compassionate, and accepting ... but when children under 16 (as young as 13) can start the process of transgendering with or without the parent's permission ... I'm really at a loss of what to think (well, actually, I don't think it's right, it's insane !!). If someone who is an adult wants to ... then go ahead but a minor without parental consent or knowledge ??!!

I don't know if it is conspiracy tin foil stuff or not but apparently, there are some who have transgendered and then regret it ... it doesn't actually solve what it is that they were originally looking or searching for but if you raise this, you're seen as anti-transgender :rukidding:

Reference from BC Medical Journal - Legal rights of transgender youth seeking medical care
https://bcmj.org/articles/legal-rights-transgender-youth-seeking-medical-care#:~:text=Once%20a%20youth's%20care%20provider, right%20to%20consent%20to%20treatment.

Once a youth’s care provider concludes that the minor is able to understand a proposed treatment and its potential risks and benefits, and that the treatment is in the minor’s best interests, then the minor has the exclusive right to consent to treatment. The parents (or the ministry, if the youth is in care) are not entitled to decide what is in the child’s best interests They can neither consent nor refuse consent to the treatment. Note that there is no specific age cutoff in BC: a minor may be competent to decide about a particular medical treatment[15] at a young age, depending on the nature of the treatment and the minor’s maturity.

[Great68]

It's also ok to ask people use the gendered partner terms for yourself if that's what you wish, it works both ways.

Like I'll use "partner" when I don't know someone's situation and want to be safe.

However, when someone refers to my wife as my partner (I know she hates being referred to as my partner), I'll correct them.

For example, just recently someone I was talking to was like "Great68, what does your partner do for work" and I reply with "My wife does blah blah"

[SkinnyPupp]

It's also ok to ask people use the gendered partner terms for yourself if that's what you wish, it works both ways.

Like I'll use "partner" when I don't know someone's situation and want to be safe.

However, when someone refers to my wife as my partner (I know she hates being referred to as my partner), I'll correct them.

For example, just recently someone I was talking to was like "Great68, what does your partner do for work" and I reply with "My wife does blah blah"
YOU GO STRAIGHT TO JAIL AND TAKE YOUR PARTNER WITH YOU

[westopher]

If people are truly concerned about the medical well being of children, perhaps a more sensible place to start is that parents are allowed to refuse things like blood transfusions for religious reasons that actually result in the death of their children.
If these people are truly looking out for kids and not just basing it on their anger over the "gay woke agenda" there's more pertinent places to start.

[320icar]

I asked for a Viking funeral and was told that I can't have that. Fucking bullshit.

Quoted for truth when it eventually comes up. We’ll obey your wishes

[68style]

Instead of a ship it will be one of his M3's

[GS8]

I don't know if it is conspiracy tin foil stuff or not but apparently, there are some who have transgendered and then regret it ... it doesn't actually solve what it is that they were looking or searching for but if you raise this, you're seen as anti-transgender :rukidding:

It's not tinfoil stuff at all. It seems that many who de-transition were swept up in the craze of becoming something they never were but, for many, they went too far in and cannot ever fully revert back. The biggest consequence being sterility and therefore unable to conceive.

Social media doesn't help. It has taken Transgenderism and morphed it into TRENDS-genderism. It reminds me of the emo craze of the late 2000s. But at least with emo, you can ditch the makeup, the clothes, change your hair and actually smile. Something that isn't so easy to do when you when surgically alter your body to the point of no return.

http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-673778.jpeg

[StylinRed]

This discussion is reminding me of a local case a couple years back where the BC supreme court said 13yr old children are old enough to decide they can transition and begin treatment on their own volition without the need of parental consent, and also ruled that if any parent tried to convince or persuade their child not to seek out therapy on their own would be deemed domestic violence

The father of the child was arguing that not all the science is being considered and that his child wasn't old enough to consent to such medical treatment

The father was slapped with a domestic violence charge iirc bcuz he refused to accept his child's new pronouns

What reminded me of this story is just how vehemently ppl are split on the issue, where even discussion is taboo and just garners hateful/derogatory comments by both sides

[MarkyMark]

Just curious who here would be cool with their kid deciding to transition when their 13 or younger? Not just dressing like the opposite sex but the whole shebang

[whitev70r]

^ I think that's a great question ... this just isn't referring to a colleague with the right pronoun or storytime at the local library stuff ... now this is where the rubber meets the road.

When this is permissible with or without a parent's consent ... you don't have to be an ultra right wing nut to say, wait a minute here.

[Badhobz]

In my case, best to avoid the situation all together and not have kids hahaha

But hypothetically. If my dumb ass kid wanted a sex change at 13 id refuse it and tell them to wait till they are 18 and out of my house. Then you can do whatever the fuck you want and break your poor fathers heart afterwards.

Until 18 though their ass is mine and I get the final say as to what is their best interest.

That and I’ll probably beat the lgbqt+xzy out of them so I don’t know. Doesn’t seem like a big deal to me

I’d also restrict social media. Don’t give them access to that internet debauchery and ensure they attend a very very expensive private school full of like minded idiots to ensure they are molded into an outstanding snooty piece of shit that I wouldn’t want to be associated with.

[unit]

i'm not a parent nor do i plan to be, but given that, what are the consequences of having your kid who is trans not transition if that's what they want?

it's never healthy to have unsupportive parents. you'd most likely destroy your relationship with your kid, your kid would probably eventually do it anyway, and also the strain on their mental health would be significant.

[supafamous]

i'm not a parent nor do i plan to be, but given that, what are the consequences of having your kid who is trans not transition if that's what they want?

it's never healthy to have unsupportive parents. you'd most likely destroy your relationship with your kid, your kid would probably eventually do it anyway, and also the strain on their mental health would be significant.

Suicide rates for teens who are gay or trans (or any "different") are much higher because of a lack of parental acceptance/support (and many other factors).

https://www.newportacademy.com/resources/mental-health/lgbt-suicide-rates/

[hud 91gt]

It may sound odd to us or our parents to use "partner" and other non gendered words. But who cares? Language is always developing. Many languages don't use gender pronouns at all. In Japanese for instance, everyone is "them/they" unless you need to specify. More often you'd use their name

The word partner wasn’t really what I was getting at. Although I probably didn’t state it very well either.

The main concern of my coworker is their child identifies as something else, dating someone identifying as someone else. This partner is so sensitive (or just a pure shit disturber) they can’t get through a Christmas dinner without actively trying to cause an argument at the table in regards to the situation. Pin pointing grandparents who let’s get real, will never understand. This partner then starts labeling other people as “they” as the table because they have a more feminine voice then what a man would normally have. So not only are they extremely sensitive about what people call them, they are labelling others themselves. Honestly this is more of immaturity and trying to control than anything else but it’s all messed up.

Westopher brought up a good point in regards to the religious health practices. Considering I actually grew up in one of these religions for the first 5 years or so of my life I can agree with you 100%. It doesn’t make sense at all. But I also think you are vastly underestimating the psychological damage this confusion is causing the large portion of the younger generation, even if it doesn’t end in immediate death.

[MarkyMark]

You can be a supportive parent while still saying "let's pump the brakes a bit" because you're making life altering decisions here.

Eventually if nothing changes they are going to do what they want anyways, why are we so eager to start that young when they might actually not feel the same way a few years down the road.

[Great68]

i'm not a parent nor do i plan to be, but given that, what are the consequences of having your kid who is trans not transition if that's what they want?

it's never healthy to have unsupportive parents. you'd most likely destroy your relationship with your kid, your kid would probably eventually do it anyway, and also the strain on their mental health would be significant.

Exactly. Do people really think that shoving them back in the closet for 5 years because of "You don't do this in my house" is going to be conducive to a healthy upbringing and mental state in those years and into the future? Do they really think a kid will "grow out" of wanting to transition?

I guess those are the same people that think conversion therapy actually works...

[MarkyMark]

Exactly. Do people really think that shoving them back in the closet for 5 years because of "You don't do this in my house" is going to be conducive to a healthy upbringing and mental state in those years and into the future? Do they really think a kid will "grow out" of wanting to transition?

I guess those are the same people that think conversion therapy actually works...

It's not about shoving them into the closet keeping it hush hush, it's about a kid that might not have even finished puberty yet making decisions that will impact them for the rest of their lives.

Fuck yeah I think it's possible someone who is 10 years old might grow out of wanting to transition, I guarantee there's people out there that regret transitioning right now.

[whitev70r]

i'm not a parent nor do i plan to be, but given that, what are the consequences of having your kid who is trans not transition if that's what they want?

it's never healthy to have unsupportive parents. you'd most likely destroy your relationship with your kid, your kid would probably eventually do it anyway, and also the strain on their mental health would be significant.

Your first sentence said it all ... I was the best parent before I had any kids.

I'd like to hear some real comments from parents with teens. None of this keyboard, hypotheical, if I had a child BS.

[westopher]

What I would hope as a parent is that I could have a good enough relationship with my daughter that we could have a serious discussion about waiting until she was older to make such a drastic decision, and if she still felt that way a year from then, we would travel down that road. A lot of parents out there do not have their kids best interests in mind in situations like this as far as I'm concerned and their judgement is clouded by their own ego/image. Kids at that age are capable of having some reason, and with that could come conversations of the pros and cons of their decisions so they can come to a conclusion of what's best for them, with the appropriate guidance and support from their parents.
I was raised being "allowed" to do things, but my mom definitely pushed me in directions through logic and reason that helped me make the right choices (sometimes) and you have to realize that you truly can not control another living being, your kid or not.

[Great68]

It's not about shoving them into the closet keeping it hush hush, it's about a kid that might not have even finished puberty yet making decisions that will impact them for the rest of their lives.

Fuck yeah I think it's possible someone who is 10 years old might grow out of wanting to transition, I guarantee there's people out there that regret transitioning right now.

Well the reality contradicts your fears. Studies point overwhelmingly to those who choose to transition, even at young ages, keep their identities and experience no regret.

This study of 317 who started transitions between 3 and 12, 94% were happy with their transisions 5 years later. Only 2.5% re-transisioned back to their birth sex.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/trans-youths-socially-transition-unlikely-detransition-later-rcna27253

So I mean I guess you can hold out hope your kid is that special one in that 2.5% group, but statistically speaking that'd be unlikely and you'd probably be doing more harm than good by preventing them from starting early.

In adults it's even lower, something like 0.8% experience transition regret, with 0.1% actually de-transitioning.

[MarkyMark]

Well the reality contradicts your fears. Studies point overwhelmingly to those who choose to transition, even at young ages, keep their identities and experience no regret.

This study of 317 who started transitions between 3 and 12, 94% were happy with their transisions 5 years later. Only 2.5% re-transisioned back to their birth sex.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/trans-youths-socially-transition-unlikely-detransition-later-rcna27253

So I mean I guess you can hold out hope your kid is that special one in that 2.5% group, but statistically speaking that'd be unlikely and you'd probably be doing more harm than good by preventing them from starting early.

One study of 317 people that's great. What's crazy to me is the group is between 3 AND 12. Yeah sorry but I'll never see eye to eye with anyone who supports that.

[whitev70r]

Is Reuters a reliable news source? This article seems legit. From this article ... there are nuances, as with any research article.


Why Detransitioners are crucial to the science of gender care

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-outcomes/

In the past year, MacKinnon (is a 37-year-old transgender man and assistant professor of social work at York University) his team of researchers have talked to 40 detransitioners in the United States, Canada and Europe, many of them having first received gender-affirming medical treatment in their 20s or younger. Their stories have upended his assumptions.

Many have said their gender identity remained fluid well after the start of treatment, and a third of them expressed regret about their decision to transition from the gender they were assigned at birth. Some said they avoided telling their doctors about detransitioning out of embarrassment or shame. Others said their doctors were ill-equipped to help them with the process. Most often, they talked about how transitioning did not address their mental health problems.

Dr Laura Edwards-Leeper, a clinical psychologist in Oregon who treats transgender youths and a co-author of WPATH’s new Standards of Care for adolescents and children, said MacKinnon’s work represents some of the most extensive research to date on the reasons for detransitioning and the obstacles patients face. She said the vitriol he has encountered illustrates one reason so few clinicians and researchers are willing to broach the subject.

“People are terrified to do this research,” she said.

For this article, Reuters spoke to 17 people who began medical transition as minors and said they now regretted some or all of their transition. Many said they realized only after transitioning that they were homosexual, or they always knew they were lesbian or gay but felt, as adolescents, that it was safer or more desirable to transition to a gender that made them heterosexual. Others said sexual abuse or assault made them want to leave the gender associated with that trauma. Many also said they had autism or mental health issues such as bipolar disorder that complicated their search for identity as teenagers.

“There’s a real need for more long-term studies that track patients for five years or longer,” MacKinnon said. “Many detransitioners talk about feeling good during the first few years of their transition. After that, they may experience regret.”

[hud 91gt]

That study is in regards to social transition. Not hormone therapy or surgery which leaves you without a choice when more clear state of mind. Super interesting study though. The guys I work with are concerned about lifelong altering states in a time where hormones are out of control, overall pressures are at an all time high. Generally just undeveloped overall. Stating parents do not have their kids best interest in mind is pretty bold statement.

[mikemhg]

Anecdotal stories are just that, anecdotal.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5227946/

"proportion of transgender adults in the United States is 0.39%, or 390 per 100 000"

You take that stat, and of those that are children, you have an even lesser portion of the population. Kids shouldn't be taking hormones during puberty in my opinion, allow them to get older to come to that decision.

What mystifies me is why is this subject that literally encompasses less than a percentage of the population (even less when you include children) is making such massive headlines in the media?

Of all the fish to fry in society right now, how has this become the primary issue?

This is why I can't take people seriously on either side of the equation here. It's a non-issue.

[whitev70r]

I think the movement started with 20's and 30's yo wanting to change genders. That's fine ... assuming that they are mature enough, wrestled with it for a majority of their life, know what they want, sought counselling, and are adults. Then this movement gets all the attention, publicity, etc. and it enters into the education and healthcare system. Now kids in elementary school starts wondering with all their normal adolescent gender questions, around puberty, then this body altering treatment and surgery is made available to them ... anyone who says, 'Wait a minute here' is seen as a bigot.

[MarkyMark]

I don't think this subject is anyones primary issue, at least on this forum, but it's worth a discussion to see what everyone thinks about it. At the end of the day anyone with a kid might have to face this at some point, hearing different views on it isn't the worst thing.

[whitev70r]

No, and I appreciate the civil tone so far (edit, the last couple of pages, not the first 10 :lol) ... instead of the vitrol polarization in the media. But let's really think about it and consider it in real life and not 'if I had a kid' ....

[westopher]

I think the movement started with 20's and 30's yo wanting to change genders. That's fine ... assuming that they are mature enough, wrestled with it for a majority of their life, know what they want, sought counselling, and are adults. Then this movement gets all the attention, publicity, etc. and it enters into the education and healthcare system. Now kids in elementary school starts wondering with all their normal adolescent gender questions, around puberty, then this body altering treatment and surgery is made available to them ... anyone who says, 'Wait a minute here' is seen as a bigot.
I don't think suggesting a delay makes someone a bigot. I think the bigot label started in here, justifiably so, directed at the guy who thinks a drag queen reading to kids is going to fuck them or train them to become gay.

[underscore]

Many said they realized only after transitioning that they were homosexual, or they always knew they were lesbian or gay but felt, as adolescents, that it was safer or more desirable to transition to a gender that made them heterosexual. Others said sexual abuse or assault made them want to leave the gender associated with that trauma. Many also said they had autism or mental health issues such as bipolar disorder that complicated their search for identity as teenagers.

It sounds like what people really need is better support and understanding as teens and young adults. What a concept.

[supafamous]

This discussion is reminding me of a local case a couple years back where the BC supreme court said 13yr old children are old enough to decide they can transition and begin treatment on their own volition without the need of parental consent, and also ruled that if any parent tried to convince or persuade their child not to seek out therapy on their own would be deemed domestic violence

The father of the child was arguing that not all the science is being considered and that his child wasn't old enough to consent to such medical treatment

The father was slapped with a domestic violence charge iirc bcuz he refused to accept his child's new pronouns

What reminded me of this story is just how vehemently ppl are split on the issue, where even discussion is taboo and just garners hateful/derogatory comments by both sides

There are different degrees of transitioning and treatment - eg. a teen can take puberty blockers which are reversible if they change their minds later. There's also treatment that's not invasive like therapy. These cases aren't almost always not about a full gender transition that's irreversible - the science has advanced a lot in the past 10-20 years.

I'm old so sometimes I do feel the discomfort with the terminology that's used today (like calling a spouse "partner" which I find odd or using pronouns which I don't use) but this is just a continuation of a long journey of identification for people. 40-50 years ago women had to use either Miss or Mrs and it was tied to social pressure of marriage and worthiness as a person - today it's much more common to use Ms. because it's no one's business if a woman is married or not.

Same for interracial relationships. I dated a white girl in high school (early 90's) and it was such a rarity that some Chinese immigrants guys would come ask me what my secret was in getting with a white girl cause they wanted in on it too. There was an East Indian guy who had to hide his relationship with a white girl cause everyone said his parents would disown him if they found out (sorta joking). That stuff still happens from time to time now but it's rare compared to how commonplace it was back then.

I'm glad times are changing and we're more welcoming of people now.

[unit]

ive actually been using the term partner for a long time now. i was in a relationship with a feminist for 4 years so i guess that's what you get. i still use that term today

[Hondaracer]

Whenever anyone says partner I figure you’ve got some weird arrangement I don’t care to learn about lol

[westopher]

That's because you are an honorary boomer though.

[StylinRed]

Do they really think a kid will "grow out" of wanting to transition?

I guess those are the same people that think conversion therapy actually works...


What research there is shows that those dealing with gender dysphoria experience great mental distress, the current solution is to "just give em what they want" because it's the easiest solution and arguably the one with the highest success rate, it's like how some countries just give drug addicts heroin instead of actually treating their addiction

That doesn't mean it's the only solution though, and that doesn't mean there won't be even better solutions in the future where people can experience relief to their distress sooner and healthier.

Except given how radical people become over the topic, how much people want to stamp out discussion, and how people get "cancelled" over their views, there may never be better solutions due to fear of persecution for pursuing research

Well the reality contradicts your fears.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/trans-youths-socially-transition-unlikely-detransition-later-rcna27253


The article quotes several contradictory studies to the Princeton one though NBC discredits the older studies as being... Old (one of the contrary studies is just a year older than the Princeton one)

The Princeton study is intended to be a 20yr study so it's not yet complete

This simply shows a lot more research is needed however research which is contrary to the current social narrative is attacked

But as Mike says this affects such a small percentage of the population so why really give a fk /shrug

It makes more sense to go after Pedos wanting to make it socially acceptable to be Pedos (or as they call it MAPs)

[punkwax]

Father of teens here.

One of my daughter’s friends has changed her name a few times now (not legally) and at one point wanted to be referred to as “they”.

Internally I think it’s a bit much but I’m not going to be a dickhead to a 15 y/o girl (confirmed most recent gender identity) so I do my best to accommodate. I’ve messed up during her “they” phase and she (this is safe to say now) didn’t seem to care as I’d imagine it happened 100x a day.

Are we having fun yet?

[Hondaracer]

Sounds like you should be in jail bro

At my last job I trained a person, and was their quasi manager for 2-3 years who we initially figured was gay but then eventually we had the most disgusting/awkward “reveal” I’ve ever seen where we had a area wide call to say this person was now being referred to as female as they were transitioning etc. (when I say disgusting not towards this person but towards how the company thought this was the route to go. I honestly came away from this call/meeting feeling like there was a chance this person would commit suicide because how poorly this was handled)

So fast forward I’m kinda this persons Main contact at work, probably the person they communicate with the most. No problem, I like this person and this situation doesn’t change anything I’m not bothered with it etc.

However.. what I found to be a confusing situation lol.. so this person, a male transitioning to female.. was dating and then ultimately engaged to another male transitioning to female… and she (my colleague) would refer to her parter, as his fiancé/wife.. so.. a trans-gay marriage? I dunno lol

Anyways… faceless globo Corp eventually made it so uncomfortable for this person they went on numerous stress leaves and eventually left and management basically said to me in private they were glad they were gone.. nice… :/

[westopher]

See this is why people are still actively fighting to be treated with respect in terms of gender identity. Even with your boomerism I like to jab you about you actually get that you just respect people, but so many don't.

[CivicBlues]

Everytime I see the title of this thread I think of this:

https://media.tenor.com/ByWTTAA_7lEAAAAd/always-sunny-in-philadelphia-naked-pics-online.gif

[donk.]

I’ve messed up during her “they” phase and she (this is safe to say now) didn’t seem to care as I’d imagine it happened 100x a day.

Are we having fun yet?

I was at a supplier a year ago, and there is a "woman"/man working there, probably my first encounter at a supplier

After ordering everything , she asked if I needed anything else, and automatically I said "that's it my man"
Followed by the below look from myself

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/030/710/dd0.png

At this point I knew I messed up, I just grabbed my shit and got out of there

Still buy stuff off her to this day and seems to be fine, I think these people know theres going to be weird occurrences

It's going to take a full generation, or two, before this stuff is "normalized", assuming it's taught in schools (is it taught in schools? / Middle / highschool?)

[murd0c]

Personally I think people should have the rights to do and like what/whom they want. The big thing is they need a much thicker skin and if someone calls them the wrong thing just ignore it rather then getting so fricken but hurt and offended over every little thing.

[westopher]

Overreacting and getting offended isn't some exclusively trans thing lol. You've got straight people ready to fucking start a war over a rainbow on a beer can.
The really fucked up thing is that the trans person is offended by the perceived disrespect (reasonable)
Where the other person is offended over the show of respect for someone that isn't exclusively them (not reasonable)
Who's the real snowflake?

[mikemhg]

Kids will be kids, as I said.

When you're in high school or college, people tend to have very radical and unrealistic ideas about society.

Once you age, begin working, and join normal society much of those thoughts and ideas come to a rude awakening.

Hence why I don't see much value in debating what high school or college kids are thinking what the world should essentially look like. None of these things translate well into actuality.

The "theys" of the world will become shes or hims in no time.

[whitev70r]

Yah, as I hinted at, the calling people he/she/they in workplaces is really secondary. It doesn't quite hit you personally. This becomes infinitely more personal if you are a parent of a teenager between 13-16 and one day he/she/they says, 'Mom, dad .. I've started the process of transgendering.'

Thanks for this @punkwax and yes, of course, no need to be a dickhead to your daughter's friend. Curious though, any observations that you've seen or comments you can make as this is somewhat close (friend of daughter) but yet a bit distant enough to maybe have some thoughts. Eg. do you know how parents are dealing with it? Notice any major stresses in your daughter's friend's life? How are other friends handling this?

Father of teens here.

One of my daughter’s friends has changed her name a few times now (not legally) and at one point wanted to be referred to as “they”.

Internally I think it’s a bit much but I’m not going to be a dickhead to a 15 y/o girl (confirmed most recent gender identity) so I do my best to accommodate. I’ve messed up during her “they” phase and she (this is safe to say now) didn’t seem to care as I’d imagine it happened 100x a day.

Are we having fun yet?

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

first of all i see skinnypupps reading comprehension has deteriorated lol.



Well the reality contradicts your fears. Studies point overwhelmingly to those who choose to transition, even at young ages, keep their identities and experience no regret.

This study of 317 who started transitions between 3 and 12, 94% were happy with their transisions 5 years later. Only 2.5% re-transisioned back to their birth sex.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/trans-youths-socially-transition-unlikely-detransition-later-rcna27253

So I mean I guess you can hold out hope your kid is that special one in that 2.5% group, but statistically speaking that'd be unlikely and you'd probably be doing more harm than good by preventing them from starting early.

In adults it's even lower, something like 0.8% experience transition regret, with 0.1% actually de-transitioning.

ummm 2.5% is a huge number lol. and remember we're not dealing with some precision manufacturing where the degree of error allowed is like 0.01% or some crazy shit.

we're talking about human beings.

hell i can even make it about money. if i told you im going to take 25 dollars for every 1000 dollars you have... it's just a 2.5% error no biggie. how would you feel lol.

going into surgery... yah don't worry there's only a 2.5% chance of failing... uh yah no thanks bro.

how about they raise your taxes and interest rates by another 2.5%.

i think you get my drift.

2.5% is fucking huge dude.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Kids will be kids, as I said.

When you're in high school or college, people tend to have very radical and unrealistic ideas about society.

Once you age, begin working, and join normal society much of those thoughts and ideas come to a rude awakening.

Hence why I don't see much value in debating what high school or college kids are thinking what the world should essentially look like. None of these things translate well into actuality.

The "theys" of the world will become shes or hims in no time.

yeah... so why are we giving them more power? lol...

I completely agree with you by the way.

but yeah, why are we giving them MORE influence and power? what kind of clown world are we living in?

the real issue is that they're making it a religious following, where these topics are the most important and they become hyper radicalized and obsessive over these topics, where every facet of their life is some form of following of these narratives.

they dont do anything else, or think about anything else. they're like... little fuckin zealot propaganda machines.

talk to any professor in STEM in academics, and ask them how careful they have to be when they speak. especially ask the biologists.

academics are literally pumping out millions of "appeal to authority" woke soldiers. they're so fucking weak and stupid it's outrageous.

there's no other nation where the people WITHIN that nation want their own nation to fall LOL. only the fucking west is like that. think about how contradicting they are. they hate capitalism, they think it's the root of all our (west) problems... they want communism, yet they want to self identify as whatever they want and have full individual authority over themselves. and this is like the standard student from elementary to highschool to university now, everything they quote and say is brainless and has no thought, it's 100% appeal to authority and their professors are their gods, and school is their church.

yeah mike makes a good point where they'll get hit hard with reality when they enter the workforce. but... wouldn't you rather have millions of kids be ready instead of be taught some whack extreme shit?

[320icar]

if i told you im going to take 25 dollars for every 1000 dollars you have... it's just a 2.5% error no biggie. how would you feel lol.


You can have my $5 dude

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

yeah... it totally doesn't influence the youth at all...

https://www.statista.com/chart/18228/share-of-americans-identifying-as-lgbt/

https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/18228.jpeg

some dimwit is going to come out and argue that "yah well the traditionalists just didn't come out of the closet"... yeah ok buddy, to a certain degree, but not to the ridiculous numbers that are shown here. 7.2/100 people identify as LGBT, and rising as time goes on... any dumb statistics analyst can tell you SOMETHING is off.

19.7% of gen Z identify as LGBT... NINETEEN POINT SEVEN PERCENT...


also... what's even more fucked up...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/twitter-suspended-user-revealed-pedophile-203838369.html

someone mentioned earlier in this thread about something about pedos... i only came to realise what they were talking about today.

"youth attracted person"

and there are actual doctors and people defending these people.

you guys have heard of a slippery slope right? it's hard to identify when you've already slipped half way down the hill.

the evolution of perversion becomes deeper and deeper with each cycle.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Sodom_and_Gomorrah_afire%2C_by_Jacob_Jacobsz._de_W et_d._J.%2C_probably_K%C3%B6ln%2C_c._1680%2C_oil_o n_canvas_-_Hessisches_Landesmuseum_Darmstadt_-_Darmstadt%2C_Germany_-_DSC01149.jpg/520px-thumbnail.jpg

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

You can have my $5 dude

i'll make sure to collect that 5 dollars for every 1000 dollars you posses at the next RS meet lol.

I'll take it in any form of legal tender, precious metal, or BTC/ETH.

thanks.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Man Revscene is so fucking unhealthy for me

It’s like the best worst drug in the world. I’m gonna be 90 years old and still ranting on here.

I love hate you guys.

I identify as a hater. My pronouns are asshole and shit starter. Please use them.

[320icar]

i'll make sure to collect that 5 dollars for every 1000 dollars you posses at the next RS meet lol.

I'll take it in any form of legal tender, precious metal, or BTC/ETH.

thanks.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6jwONwL-B-i5q0TTQUGEDELBbdtlyC4BeETglZA5mfQ&s

[murd0c]

Man Revscene is so fucking unhealthy for me

It’s like the best worst drug in the world. I’m gonna be 90 years old and still ranting on here.

I love hate you guys.

I identify as a hater. My pronouns are asshole and shit starter. Please use them.

if you are 90 and RS is still around that would be the most impressive thing ever. I'm highly impressed RS has survived since FB since all the other internet forms I belonged to died.

I hope it never dies, it's the only thing that makes life some what normal these days.

[CivicBlues]

Ulic is 89 tho

[murd0c]

RIP Ulic

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Nah I’m 69

Yes I’m impressed it is still around as well lol.

The active users are like senior people sitting on the same bench at the park for decades squabbling about life.

[murd0c]

and talking and debating about the same things over and over and over. It's kind of comforting in a way.

[Lomac]

and talking and debating about the same things over and over and over. It's kind of comforting in a way.

Right? I can leave and not come back for a few months at a time, yet it feels like nothing has changed lol.

I'll be sad if and when this site finally goes down.

[Manic!]

You know how some people say Nazi's did some good things?

https://twitter.com/Liz_Andromeda/status/1652366545102708738

This was at a drag queen brunch in Ohio yesterday. If you are anti-trans these are the people you are standing with.

[Manic!]

You know what they say an enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Manic!]

Neo-Nazi Group Joins Anti-2SLGBTQ+ Protest Outside Library

WLM (white lives mater) Toronto is the founding Canadian chapter of a much larger decentralized neo-Nazi movement wrapping itself in the language of social justice.

https://www.antihate.ca/neo_nazi_white_lives_matter_anti_lgbtq_protest_lib rary

[Alpine]

https://twitter.com/Spadez86/status/1665787949034659842

Let’s kick this thread off again with another drag queen event for children. Not saying they’re all like this.

[donk.]

Someone invite E-Spec back!

[mikemhg]

https://twitter.com/Spadez86/status/1665787949034659842

Let’s kick this thread off again with another drag queen event for children. Not saying they’re all like this.

I need proper context to this.

Was this a mandatory event held within the school in a classroom setting as part of the curriculum, or was this simply an off-site optional event in which parents choose to bring their children to?

If the latter, who fucking cares? I think it's weird performing a burlesque show for kids, but if the parents decide to bring their children to such an event, why is it mine or anyone else's business?

[MarkyMark]

Parents used to try and keep their daughters off the pole, now they are training them before the diapers come off :lol

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't know why parents would want to bring their kids to that, but whatever. It's their thing, not mine.

[whitev70r]

surely, even if you signed up your kid to go and that started, you'd think ... "OK, time to go." No?

Doesn't matter if it was drag, straight, LBGT, trans ... anyone doing that in front of kids that young, it's time to go. What's wrong with young parents these days .. in the name of 'acceptance' they suspend any kind of discretion and judgment?

[Alpine]

If we had a thermal imaging camera we would know who this event is for lol.

A good excuse for some new moms to check that their plumbing still works under the guise of the LBGT+++++ movement.

That reminds me, I'll be holding an LBGT drag king event for all fathers on Revscene. Just bring your kids, I'll bring the girls and the titties (oops I mean culture).

[westopher]

surely, even if you signed up your kid to go and that started, you'd think ... "OK, time to go." No?

Doesn't matter if it was drag, straight, LBGT, trans ... anyone doing that in front of kids that young, it's time to go. What's wrong with young parents these days .. in the name of 'acceptance' they suspend any kind of discretion and judgment?

Agreed, but it's no crazier than child beauty pageants or bringing your kids to hooters. Lots of parents are fucking stupid and have been for generations.

[MarkyMark]

I'm gonna say it's a level above taking your kid to a restaurant where the waitress has big titties.

[westopher]

Kinda depends on the behaviour of the parent at the event.
The guy taking his kid to hooters is more likely making unwanted advances at the servers and having 4 pints of bud before he drives his kids home than the parents taking their kids to the library, but he could also just want some extremely bad wings in a terrible atmosphere I suppose.

[MarkyMark]

Sure but that's the parent just being a piece of shit, the waitress isn't jumping on the table and spreading her legs in front of your kids face. That parent would be doing that whether they are at Hooters or Browns

[westopher]

You can't really argue that a place like that exists for any reason other than sexualizing their staff to customers though.

[MarkyMark]

You can't really argue that a place like that exists for any reason other than sexualizing their staff to customers though.

Are young children the target demographic of Hooters?

You might as well take your kids to The Paramount as well

[sonick]

Are young children the target demographic of Hooters?

You might as well take your kids to The Paramount as well

Uhhh

https://www.originalhooters.com/menu/kids

[MarkyMark]

Uhhh

https://www.originalhooters.com/menu/kids

Oh wow a restaurant with a kids menu checkmate lol

Totally the same thing as some guys bare ass getting slapped with a leather tassel

[westopher]

Is a pride parades target market kids?

[MarkyMark]

Is a pride parades target market kids?

I'm not talking about the pride parades im talking about whatever the hell those events in the video are. Judging by the amount of kids in them im assuming the target was young kids.

[sonick]

Oh wow a restaurant with a kids menu checkmate lol

Totally the same thing as some guys bare ass getting slapped with a leather tassel

Ask dumb questions get dumb answers.

You're the one who was trying to equate hooters to the pride event.

[westopher]

The top video is a pride event that looks like a parade where "kids were allowed"
Sounds like a pride parade.
Bottom event I didn't see any naked asses being slapped. Just dudes dancing around in high heels, which honestly, I wouldn't take my kid to either, but that's based on the boredom that would ensue, not because it's overtly sexual.

[MarkyMark]

Well agree to disagree, but an event that's dubbed "child friendly" and proceeds to have a dude strapped to a truck getting spanked over and over is an odd choice.

[Hondaracer]

In trudeaus Canada, lose job if no take child to trans fuck show

[SkinnyPupp]

In trudeaus Canada, lose job if no take child to trans fuck show
The people who scream "FREE" during the national anthem definitely unironically believe that LUL

[mikemhg]

Let's be real here, we've been "selling" sexualized content to kids for decades now. Don't act like none of you lived in the 90's with all the scantily dressed and sexualized pop music and media catered to kids and teens, which has only been intensified in the 2000's to now.

You'd hear the odd pearl clutching Christian conservative complain about it, but it never really became a national fire line.

The difference here is still we didn't have gay stuff outwardly marketed to that same demographic, and if so, it was very tongue in cheek (remember the purple Teletubby).

This stuff is all very new, people have an adverse reaction often times to change, or something new and novel. You go many other places in the world and they'd be laughing at us even having this debate. I've seen Asian parents with their children walking down the various walking streets of Thailand with half naked women and trannies without batting a single eye of offense.

We've attached far too much energy to this overall very benign subject IMHO.

[MarkyMark]

Let's be real here, we've been "selling" sexualized content to kids for decades now. Don't act like none of you lived in the 90's with all the scantily dressed and sexualized pop music and media catered to kids and teens, which has only been intensified in the 2000's to now.


I definitely remember music videos being pretty racy in my early teens and the channel usually also has a disclaimer saying how old you should be to watch it. I don't remember being 5 or under and being exposed to anything near what was in those videos.

I guess we're just behind the times though.

[mikemhg]

I think the core reason we're hearing so much of this in the media notably from the right is because Christian core values view being gay is a choice, not a biological one. That if one can become gay, they can also unbecome that.

If looking at the world through that lens, this would lead you to believe that being educated about gay people, or being exposed to them would turn a person gay. They truly believe this and I think this is why it's become such a huge issue now that we're seeing it within the echo chamber more and more.

Not really sure how one would appease to that way of thinking.

Overall I think the ship will right itself, perhaps as a society (a Western one), we've moved far too progressively on the subject, and ultimately some course correction will be made.

At the same time I doubt you'll be seeing an increase of dick-smoking as a result of any of this stuff.

[Manic!]

I remember back in the day some places had pg strip clubs for teens. It was a juice bar with girls stripping to bikinis on stage. There was one in Washington state. We also had teen nightclubs.

https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/04/03/Teen-clubs-bikini-contest-irks-parents/19351238789202/

SOUTH LYON, Mich., April 3 (UPI) -- Some parents are calling for a Michigan teen dance club to be shut down after it hosted a bikini contest for girls as young as 16.

Police said Primal the Club of South Lyon did not violate any laws with the March 28 contest, which offered $500 in prizes, and city officials said club owners have tossed plans for similar contests in the future, the Detroit Free Press reported Friday.

However, some parents are calling for the establishment, which can draw hundreds of teens between the ages of 14 and 19 on weekends, to be shut down.

"People are angry and they want it out of the community," said parent and South Lyon resident Abe Ayoub, who said his 14-year-old daughter is not allowed to go to the club.

"It's a training ground for kids as to what the bar scene is like," said Mayor John Doyle, who added the club "crossed the line" with the contest.

Jeff LaFave, one of the dance club's owners, said the bikini contest was designed as a 1980s throwback.

"Apparently, there's been some backlash," LaFave said. "It's seems the community is a little more conservative."

[Traum]

https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/04/03/Teen-clubs-bikini-contest-irks-parents/19351238789202/
What are these parents thinking? Do they honestly think teenagers are not already having sex? That they wouldn't do it until they get married? That kids don't drink before the State's legal drinking age? That they don't borrow / use fake IDs to go clubbing etc.?

I always believe in being realistic. These parents are just the opposite.

[StylinRed]

Kind of relevant teacher in Edmonton tells Muslim students they're not welcome in Canada nor can they be Canadians if they don't celebrate/participate in Pride activities as she believes it's disrespectful

You don't have to participate/celebrate to respect ppl wtf, you can respect ppl by not butting into their lives or celebrations too :lol

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/you-dont-belong-here-canadian-teacher-lambastes-muslim-student-for-eschewing-pride

[westopher]

LOL. We've gone full circle. People far on either side of the spectrum have gone retarded.
People gotta stop and take a deep breath. If you can't properly articulate your thoughts, keep them as thoughts, or stuff like this happens.

[GS8]

https://i.imgur.com/rdNrcGn.jpg

[Badhobz]

Hahahaa nice. So “representative” and “inclusive” oil spills

[Manic!]

https://i.redd.it/epdq52kq306b1.jpg

This was in Kelowna. What do they want? kids to carry papers with them at all times?

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/9-old-girl-school-track-120957078.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAB0rheg7-IrE36nZ9oqEq_R6uJHCV-LiwUjnpxW8Sgyj4ibFBhPazthJjy-57hy12VL5N2dp_W-xZjYaegFqPwDwGi62E96Kp_Da0XuVNsZFrSFUYvLWHn_i1o545 A72Z2UvYmkEMawDkydrT4P_U_BK8Ts57K98AgfxEKPXxzEL

[BIC_BAWS]

The difference here is still we didn't have gay stuff outwardly marketed to that same demographic, and if so, it was very tongue in cheek (remember the purple Teletubby).

THE PURPLE TELETUBBY IS GAY?????

[inv4zn]

This was in Kelowna. What do they want? kids to carry papers with them at all times?


Clearly, yes.

[westopher]

https://i.redd.it/epdq52kq306b1.jpg

This was in Kelowna. What do they want? kids to carry papers with them at all times?

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/9-old-girl-school-track-120957078.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAB0rheg7-IrE36nZ9oqEq_R6uJHCV-LiwUjnpxW8Sgyj4ibFBhPazthJjy-57hy12VL5N2dp_W-xZjYaegFqPwDwGi62E96Kp_Da0XuVNsZFrSFUYvLWHn_i1o545 A72Z2UvYmkEMawDkydrT4P_U_BK8Ts57K98AgfxEKPXxzEL

This is the perfect example of why we do things like fly a pride flag and have pride nights, drag story time, lgbtq education.
The world is full of crazy fucktards like this that are going to go harass a 9 year old. These pieces of shit shouldn't be able to be involved in raising children, or be near them.

[StylinRed]

According to the grandpa that never happened he said he went up to an official and asked if the event was co-ed cuz he thought he saw a boy competing

One of the girls mothers (she has two) according to gramps overheard and began yelling at him and asking if he wanted to see her daughters genitals as proof and then blew the story up

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/431740/I-never-yelled-towards-the-girl-Kelowna-man-accused-of-accosting-child-at-track-meet-denies-allegations#431740

According to gramps the principal has corroborated his version of events with other witnesses, but according to the district superintendent he believes the mothers

Two sides to every story n the truth yada yada yada

[MarkyMark]

^^^

This is why the news sucks these days, you need to find multiple sources to try and figure out what actually happened, and it's usually somewhere in the middle.

"Conservative man demands 9 year old show genitals to prove gender" is a much better story though.

[whitev70r]

^^ no, that's why you ignore and not believe anything that Manic! posts ... Occupy Democrats :failed: :concentrate:

His feeds are from shitholes

[Hondaracer]

News would much rather run with the biggot story than the truth.

[Manic!]

^^ no, that's why you ignore and not believe anything that Manic! posts ... Occupy Democrats :failed: :concentrate:

His feeds are from shitholes

Here is the sun: https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/girl-verbally-abused-at-kelowna-track-meet-hopes-devastating-incident-can-bring-about-change

Newsweek: https://www.newsweek.com/man-accuses-9-year-old-girl-transgender-1806369

Newyork post: https://nypost.com/2023/06/13/canadian-girl-9-accused-of-being-transgender-at-track-meet/

ABC news: https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-barred-school-allegedly-accosting-9-year-claiming/story?id=100067135

newyork times: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/world/canada/girl-athlete-trans-gender.html

The gauardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/14/canada-man-anti-trans-lgbtq-hate-school-sports-ban


It's been covered by media around the world. Sorry you you think the story is BS because it's not covered by Fox news or OAN.

[StylinRed]

^^^

This is why the news sucks these days, you need to find multiple sources to try and figure out what actually happened, and it's usually somewhere in the middle.


It's always been like that, it's just worse now since 90% of the media is basically owned by a few companies and those few are owned by two investment firms :lol:

[westopher]

I don't believe he was demanding to see her genitalia if that story wasn't corroborated, but I also don't fucking believe he innocently asked if it was co-ed. Even if it was a 9 year old boy, you are going to go at fucking kids over something that trivial? Make some 9 year old feel like shit about ANYTHING? Fuck you, fucking kill yourself if you think that's being noble.

[inv4zn]

I don't believe he was demanding to see her genitalia if that story wasn't corroborated, but I also don't fucking believe he innocently asked if it was co-ed. Even if it was a 9 year old boy, you are going to go at fucking kids over something that trivial? Make some 9 year old feel like shit about ANYTHING? Fuck you, fucking kill yourself if you think that's being noble.

This.

This is a case of an asshole who failed to hide his stupidity, and once he realized he's fucked, is trying to somehow make it seem like it was innocent and benign.

All he had to do was literally nothing.

[mikemhg]

I'd never say judge a book by its cover, but look at that dude.

TRT'd out, tanned like leather, veins popping out from the HGH/TRT, wrist beads/bracelets.

He looks like he likes him some Joe Rogan, and all the tranny in sports tirades we've been hearing on those types of platforms :lol

[donk.]

Probably a trump supporter

[Hakkaboy]

According to the grandpa that never happened he said he went up to an official and asked if the event was co-ed cuz he thought he saw a boy competing

One of the girls mothers (she has two) according to gramps overheard and began yelling at him and asking if he wanted to see her daughters genitals as proof and then blew the story up

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/431740/I-never-yelled-towards-the-girl-Kelowna-man-accused-of-accosting-child-at-track-meet-denies-allegations#431740

According to gramps the principal has corroborated his version of events with other witnesses, but according to the district superintendent he believes the mothers

Two sides to every story n the truth yada yada yada

Where does it say that? In the article, it sounds like they were in the processes of investigating to see if his story can be confirmed or corroborated, not that it has already been corroborated?

[GS8]

TRT'd out, tanned like leather, veins popping out from the HGH/TRT, wrist beads/bracelets.

Reminds me of this gymbro I know who's on self-prescribed TRT. He looks grotesquely huge while having wild mood swings. I told him to be careful about his aromatase levels and he's like all 'Bro isn't that an Armani Cologne?"

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

The stereotypes are fucking real

I'm just glad his priority in life is buying $30 fake Adidas...

[mikemhg]

Reminds me of this gymbro I know who's on self-prescribed TRT. He looks grotesquely huge while having wild mood swings. I told him to be careful about his aromatase levels and he's like all 'Bro isn't that an Armani Cologne?"

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

The stereotypes are fucking real

I'm just glad his priority in life is buying $30 fake Adidas...

:lol :lol :lol

Wait until he starts growing titties and starts having heart issues because his blood starts flowing like molasses.

I know a few buddies just like that.

[StylinRed]

Where does it say that? In the article, it sounds like they were in the processes of investigating to see if his story can be confirmed or corroborated, not that it has already been corroborated?

I said according to gramps the principal corroborated his story "I had the conversation with the principal. He said, 'Josef what you are telling us is exactly what I'm confirming with the teachers and officials,'" Tesar said.

The principal just said he listened to what he had to say like he does everyone and passed on the info

[SkinnyPupp]

He looks like an AI generated image of an "Average Joe Rogan listener post covid"

https://www.castanet.net/content/2023/6/large/img_7311_p3695058.jpg

[mikemhg]

He looks like an AI generated image of an "Average Joe Rogan listener post covid"

https://www.castanet.net/content/2023/6/large/img_7311_p3695058.jpg

Ah yes, an upstanding man.

I'm glad we have people like him out there making sure there's no peepees running around in girl's elementary school track meets.

We truly live in the stupidest world.

[68style]

I bet he walked to school uphill both ways in a snow storm every day... men today can't even be men!!!!

[Hondaracer]

He mighta had me until the multiple rings and bracelets lol

[mikemhg]

^He looks like he goes to Tulum a lot.

[Badhobz]

hahahah mikey thats so random but awesome.

[donk.]

You jealous Mike?

[StylinRed]

He probably saw the two mom's n the tomboy and thought something ain't right time for a strong yt male to investimuhgate, but at the same time the mom probably went wild too (cuz that's how mom's are) and then we get another pointless story making it's way to international news outlets cuz that's how rabid the media is for pointless stories that drive clicks

[CivicBlues]

^He looks like he goes to Tulum a lot.

I woulda guessed Pattaya. Maybe that's how he got so adept at spotting trans people

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

wait so was it actually a little girl? or was a little boy that identifies as a little girl but they can't and won't say because if you identify as a little girl then you truly are a little girl? LOL.

and youre all hypocrites for judging a man based on his looks! maybe he just wants to look like the average florida man? maybe he's not even a man... how do you know what he even identifies as? how do you know their correct pronouns without assuming?

[whitev70r]

So in New Brunswick, a storm is brewing. At the crux is a revision to a particular clause in their LGBTQ school inclusion policy. Original policy allowed any student to be referred to by their preferred pronouns without involving parents.

In short, the revision is that if a child is under 16 and student wants to change his/her pronoun, student will need to have parental agreement and consent. If youth under 16 does not want to get parental consent/agreement, they will be referred to school psychologist or social worker to develop a plan to inform the student's parents.

This is really where the rubber meets the road so to say. For those who have children under 16 ... would be interested in your thoughts. Do you feel that your child should have your consent and support? Those who are not parents of youths, please refrain from sharing your keyboard wisdom.

[inv4zn]

So in New Brunswick, a storm is brewing. At the crux is a revision to a particular clause in their LGBTQ school inclusion policy.

Does it say why the policy was revised?

Also, your question...I mean, it's not difficult to tell who here is going to celebrate that the libs in New Brunswick have been owned, and who is going to shrug it off and be a decent parent to try to accept your kids for who they may or may not be, even if they're under 16.

Like, what, you're going to call him Jeremy riight up until their 16th birthday and then suddenly call them Jennifer?

[westopher]

There isn't some magical birthdate where kids are hitting sexual maturity.

[Traum]

Unless a parent really doesn't spend much time with the child, you're gonna know -- or at least have a good inkling -- of the child's tendencies and orientation. Of course, some parents can choose to be in denial -- unfortunately, I know a small handful of parents who are like that. But for the most part, for stuff like this -- preferences and orientation -- if you spend time with your kid, you're gonna at least kind of know.

The way I look at it is -- my kid is always going to be my kid, and I will try my very hardest to always love and support him, even when it is difficult to do so. I scold him when he messes up, but identity and orientation aren't something you can (or should) scold your child for, and obtain a change in behaviour. In that case, what other option is there, other than to love and support them?
In short, the revision is that if a child is under 16 and student wants to change his/her pronoun, student will need to have parental agreement and consent. If youth under 16 does not want to get parental consent/agreement, they will be referred to school psychologist or social worker to develop a plan to inform the student's parents.

This is really where the rubber meets the road so to say. For those who have children under 16 ... would be interested in your thoughts. Do you feel that your child should have your consent and support? Those who are not parents of youths, please refrain from sharing your keyboard wisdom.

[Great68]

If that sort of a thing is a surprise to a parent when it happens, then I hate to say it but they are failing as a parent.

And if this is something the kid truly wants, then a "No I don't consent" is a good way to foster lifelong resentment against the parents.

[Manic!]

Gender studies teacher and 2 other people stabbed in class. University of Waterloo

https://twitter.com/tMayor_McCheese/status/1674202905489068032?s=20

https://globalnews.ca/news/9799815/university-of-waterloo-stabbing/

A gender studies professor and two students were injured and hospitalized while one person was arrested after a stabbing at the University of Waterloo.

Waterloo Regional Police said officers were called to the school at 3:30 p.m. on Wednesday, after receiving reports of a stabbing at Hagey Hall.

Speaking to reporters on Wednesday evening, Waterloo police Supt. Shaena Morris said three victims were injured but were in non-life-threatening condition.

Morris said a male was “quickly” arrested after the incident, with the help of the university’s special constables.

In a tweet at around 4:50 p.m., the school said there was “no further threat to our campus community,” and asked people in Hagey Hall to vacate “immediately” leaving all the doors open.

According to Morris, the incident occurred inside a classroom in Hagey Hall.

The person in custody is a member of the university community, Morris confirmed.

Nick Manning, the associate vice-president of communications at the university said the incident occurred in a second-year philosophy class, adding that two students and a professor were injured.

Students at the university told Global News the stabbing occurred during a gender studies class.

[StylinRed]

And if this is something the kid truly wants, then a "No I don't consent" is a good way to foster lifelong resentment against the parents.

Is that all it takes? If your kid truly wants something (anything?) you're going to agree to it in fear of brewing lifelong resentment?

[SkinnyPupp]

Is that all it takes? If your kid truly wants something (anything?) you're going to agree to it in fear of brewing lifelong resentment?
It's not like they're asking for a Nintendo

[westopher]

No you can't be gay/transgender/bi etc is kind of like the whole "pray the gay away" mentality, and I would be very surprised if anyone (who isnt an absolute idiot) on RS would accept that type of mentality.

[Badhobz]

"pray the gay away"

This is a great signature!

[whitev70r]

It's not accepting a child's gender identity or not, I totally hear the above who said, 'It's your son/daughter, regardless, you love them and support them.' 100%!

That's not really the issue I brought forth, it's do you think it's appropriate for school admin, teachers to require a parent's consent before addressing the student by their preferred pronoun (assuming it's not the one at birth) if child is under 16. For those who would give consent at 12, 13, or 14, etc. ... this proposed revision is not an issue. You give consent, the admin and teacher will honour that and address your child by his/her preferred pronoun.

Again, it's not back to the issue, will you support your child of his/her sexual identity etc. it is: Do you think there is wisdom for the school board to include family agreement and consent in this big/huge step?

[Traum]

With teenagers (or maybe even pre-teens), I'd say it is very difficult to apply a fixed (age) number to drive or support a policy because different teens mature at vastly different pace. I used to know some 14 yr old kid who is already super responsible and pretty mature for her age. But on the other hand, I've also met 16, 17 yrs old who have no clue on what the heck is going on in the bigger world. (And on that note, some jurisdictions are are trying to lower the voting age to 16 or younger... FailFish)

The difficulty with children is -- until they hit the age of majority -- most things that they do that could lead to impactful consequences require parental consent. If you look at it under that light, then I guess you can say setting under 16 as the age to require parental consent is an improvement. But on the other hand, that same age of 16 is far too old and far too long for a teenager who is more mentally mature.

If you expand the issue to gender affirming care, it becomes an even bigger dilemma. From a physiological POV, the ideal time to start hormonal treatment would be before puberty to suppress the physical gender traits that start developing during puberty -- I'm pretty sure I am not using the proper terms here, but you know what I mean. But psychologically, pre-puberty is probably a little too early to do this.

So I feel like you can't slap a fixed age on this sort of thing, but the legal system that we have in place pretty much functions around that.

[whitev70r]

I hear what you are saying - physical, mental, relational maturity is a spectrum ... but nevertheless, we have voting age, driving age, drinking age, age you can rent a car, etc. Society has to have some markers even though you cannot please everyone, I guess it is aimed at the majority.

But even to follow up with the issue you raised, gender affirming care. The argument that is proposed is parental agreement and consent. I think this is the crux of much of the 'right wing' or right of center perspective. Sure, if parents agree with a 13 yr old starting with puberty blockers, no problems, health care will provide. It's something this big and life changing ... can doctors go ahead based on a 13 yo wanting it and without consent of parents?

If it is not obvious, I strongly side with parental agreement and consent. If the family agrees, by all means ... go ahead. I don't think insisting on this (parental agreement/consent for youths under 16) put you on the scarey boogey man caricature that Trudeau is trying to portray as they go ballistic hostile against the New Brunswick situation. Who knows, maybe I am a scarey boogeyman that the left should be afraid of and picket outside my house. Honestly, this is so common sense to me, namely parental consent/agreement for anything significant for kids under 16. I think I am revealing my age.

[sdubfid]

If my 12 year old wanted gender reassignment for psychological reasons they are going to pay out of pocket for it and not burden other taxpayers or the medical system. If they want it bad enough then they can figure out how to sell 15000 lemonades. I can respect someone that puts in the effort for what they want even if I don’t agree with it.

[Great68]

Geez. It's medical disorder, not a tattoo. It's not something they do because they're "rebelling" or want to "be cool"

That'd be like telling your ADHD kid to pay for their own ritalin.

[westopher]

I hear what you are saying - physical, mental, relational maturity is a spectrum ... but nevertheless, we have voting age, driving age, drinking age, age you can rent a car, etc. Society has to have some markers even though you cannot please everyone, I guess it is aimed at the majority.

But even to follow up with the issue you raised, gender affirming care. The argument that is proposed is parental agreement and consent. I think this is the crux of much of the 'right wing' or right of center perspective. Sure, if parents agree with a 13 yr old starting with puberty blockers, no problems, health care will provide. It's something this big and life changing ... can doctors go ahead based on a 13 yo wanting it and without consent of parents?

If it is not obvious, I strongly side with parental agreement and consent. If the family agrees, by all means ... go ahead. I don't think insisting on this (parental agreement/consent for youths under 16) put you on the scarey boogey man caricature that Trudeau is trying to portray as they go ballistic hostile against the New Brunswick situation. Who knows, maybe I am a scarey boogeyman that the left should be afraid of and picket outside my house. Honestly, this is so common sense to me, namely parental consent/agreement for anything significant for kids under 16. I think I am revealing my age.
You are talking about the boogey man perspective here, but the right is doing the exact same thing. We aren't going to have this flood of gender reassignment surgeries. It's just not something to be worried about. Also the facade of the (hard) right wingers giving a fuck about kids is a pretty big laugh considering it's the same people who think "Jesus vaccinated my kids naturally, I don't want vaccinated blood transfusions for my kid, no abortions allowed regardless of the circumstances but when the kid is born we don't want tax dollars to fund programs for their well being, etc"
From my perspective the issue with the NB thing has to do with the fact they need parental consent to use the preferred pronouns for the kids in school if they are under 16 and if the parents disagree, they will go against the child's wishes. Also, they will essentially out the child, regardless of their wishes, to their parents. Who knows what they are dealing with at home? Think of some of the abuse trans and lgbtq kids have experienced from their parents over the years.

[Hondaracer]

Well we’re giving kids crack pipes, might as well cut off their dicks while we’re at it hehe

[StylinRed]

The fact you're all acting as if kids are mature enough to decide for themselves what they want or that they even have the mental capacity to foresee pros/cons of their decisions is frightening... Especially when we know a person's brain doesn't fully develop until their mid 20s the part of the brain that involves decision making at that :lol

I wouldn't be surprised if you guys are fine with kids dating adults then since they must have been able to fully contemplate and decide for themselves on such a relationship :lol

Wouldn't want your kid to resent you :lol

[donk.]

"pray the gay away"

This is a great signature!

Bear force one would disagree

https://youtu.be/twQlpFrm5iM

Ps, the fuck is gender studies.......

Especially when we know a person's brain doesn't fully develop until their mid 20s the part of the brain that involves decision making at that :lol



My brain still hasn't developed, I guess that's why I identify as a degenerate

[Traum]

This is a sample of 1, and I am not claiming whether it is representative of the situation in general -- it probably isn't. But the fact remains that some people have been born with a mind that does not align with their physical birth gender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ucxh1b0tI

We -- or at least me -- are not saying all kids are mature enough to make these important decisions. But some of them are. As adults, I think we should do our best to support those who are mature enough to make these important decisions for themselves.

To follow up on the comment that the human brain doesn't fully develop until our mid 20's -- we all know alcohol and now cannabis are legal for consumption in Canada in the 18 - 19 yrs old range, and we know alcohol and cannabis affect cognitive functions, esp for regular users. Do people drink / smoke pot before 18? I think my first time drinking alcohol on my own accord was something in the 14 - 15 range at a friend's party. (I have no interest in pot since I don't like the smell.)

[Hehe]

I see the whole LGBTQ thing as a matter of respect.

It's their decision to feel/think/love in particular way. Regardless of how I feel about it, I respect their decision. It's their to make. It's got NOTHING to do with me.

Nevertheless, kids don't have the mental/physical development to make a decision yet. There are cases that the very same kid goes through various gender identities.

And if any kid, including my own, come to me and say "I identify myself as xxx". I'd say good to know and you can be whatever you want to be.

But for a kid to go through puberty treatment or any form of physical gender-affirming treatments that would have a permanent effect, that's not something I'd ever agree on.

As a parent, I have to responsibility to care, encourage and guide my kids.

I don't OWN them. They are not my pets that I'd make whatever decision for them.

In the case of Traum's video... the "boy" identifies as girl and like to do anything that a girl likes to do. I don't know the exact situation that she's in, but I'd assume that she gets happiness (dopamine effect) by doing girl stuff.

And if the parents tell her that she'd be more like a girl by going through this treatment. This is like asking a kid who likes sweets that if he buys the chocolate bar, he'd get a chance to see Willy Wonka. Of course that's going to be the thing that she wants to do. And might even feel depressed if she couldn't get it done. But if the only way for your kids to feel happy is to go through a medical procedure, I think you have some problem in your parenting.

Instead, just do what a parent should do. Protect and encourage her. Make sure that she is not mistreated for her preference. But do explain it to her why this matters and it's her decision to make once she's old enough.

[Manic!]

Lady recaps all the pedos caught in the US every week. You will be surprised or not on who they are.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM2a6KeyN/

[underscore]

The fact you're all acting as if kids are mature enough to decide for themselves what they want or that they even have the mental capacity to foresee pros/cons of their decisions is frightening...

They're asking to use different pronouns, that's it. What exactly are the potential cons? It's a couple words.

Growing up a few of my friends went by names that aren't their legal first names. Middle names, nicknames, etc. and there was never an issue with it.

[westopher]

BUT THE TEACHERS ARE CUTTING THEIR DICKS OFF.

[Hondaracer]

Guarantee you private school enrolment skyrockets in the future as all this BS plagues public schools.

Mark my words, people who can’t even afford to do it will begin to enroll in private catholic schools just to avoid all this. I’ve talked to a few people who have gone this route already.

[Badhobz]

Pirate school. That’s the ticket. Yar har har. Shiver me Timbers.

[The7even]

The fact you're all acting as if kids are mature enough to decide for themselves what they want or that they even have the mental capacity to foresee pros/cons of their decisions is frightening... Especially when we know a person's brain doesn't fully develop until their mid 20s the part of the brain that involves decision making at that :lol

I wouldn't be surprised if you guys are fine with kids dating adults then since they must have been able to fully contemplate and decide for themselves on such a relationship :lol

Wouldn't want your kid to resent you :lol

I find it a bit strange that all the drag queens are always men pretending to be women...and never the other way around. Hmmmmm


They're asking to use different pronouns, that's it. What exactly are the potential cons? It's a couple words.

Growing up a few of my friends went by names that aren't their legal first names. Middle names, nicknames, etc. and there was never an issue with it.

I refuse to play along with their mental disorder. It's that simple.

[The7even]

Ulic is 89 tho

You leave him alone, you bastard!

[Manic!]

I find it a bit strange that all the drag queens are always men pretending to be women...and never the other way around. Hmmmmm




I refuse to play along with their mental disorder. It's that simple.

Victoria Scone doesn’t understand why Drag Race won’t cast drag kings: ‘Absolutely no reason’

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/07/05/victoria-scone-rupauls-drag-race-cast-drag-kings/

[underscore]

I find it a bit strange that all the drag queens are always men pretending to be women...and never the other way around. Hmmmmm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_king

ACAB

[Great68]

I refuse to play along with their mental disorder. It's that simple.

I guess you don't work in a very outward facing job?
I could just imagine how that would go down in a professional workplace, or even better where that person is a customer/client.

I have one of these non-binary individuals I deal with, one of our large key customer/accounts.

I'd have a pretty tough time explaining to my bosses that I refused to respect this person enough to use their desired pronouns, and as a result lost major business.

It would never happen because I'm not an asshole and do respect this person, whatever they want to be called.

So, I'm just curious of what you'd do if you were in that situation? Tell this person "too fucking bad, you look like a man so I'm calling you a he" and accept the fallout or are you just talking a big game online when in reality you'd be a big hypocrite?

[westopher]

I find it a bit strange that all the drag queens are always men pretending to be women...and never the other way around. Hmmmmm




I refuse to play along with their mental disorder. It's that simple.

A. That isn't true.
B. Wow you're so brave.

[mikemhg]

He's got the thin blue line as his profile pic, would it be any surprise that he's a prick, essentially?

Saying you refuse to play along with someone's "mental disorder" is a pretty ridiculous thing to even state.

I'm not even some lefty woke guy either, it's just basic human respect at that point.

[westopher]

He's the type of guy that would call everyone a snowflake then have a thermonuclear meltdown over a fuckin rainbow beer can.

[The7even]

He's got the thin blue line as his profile pic, would it be any surprise that he's a prick, essentially?

Saying you refuse to play along with someone's "mental disorder" is a pretty ridiculous thing to even state.

I'm not even some lefty woke guy either, it's just basic human respect at that point.

You don't have to be not lefty to not have any principles of your own, you'll just fall for anything pushed to you. I've been on this board for near 20 years, never would have this been a discussion even 10 years ago, much less when I got on here.


I guess you don't work in a very outward facing job?
I could just imagine how that would go down in a professional workplace, or even better where that person is a customer/client.

I have one of these non-binary individuals I deal with, one of our large key customer/accounts.

I'd have a pretty tough time explaining to my bosses that I refused to respect this person enough to use their desired pronouns, and as a result lost major business.

It would never happen because I'm not an asshole and do respect this person, whatever they want to be called.

So, I'm just curious of what you'd do if you were in that situation? Tell this person "too fucking bad, you look like a man so I'm calling you a he" and accept the fallout or are you just talking a big game online when in reality you'd be a big hypocrite?

I'm a LEO, all my work is outward facing.

"I have one of these non-binary individuals I deal with, one of our large key customer/accounts"

That's nice, you're dealing with someone who has mental health issues is the right way to look at it. Which is fine, it probably doesn't have any bearing on their work.

"I'd have a pretty tough time explaining to my bosses that I refused to respect this person enough to use their desired pronouns, and as a result lost major business"

Sure, you do it so you don't have to explain to your boss why a person with mental health issues is mad at you. It's simpler to just play along, I don't disagree, you don't have to go out of your way to point out that they're messed up in the head. But I won't go out of my way and part-take in their delusions either.

"It would never happen because I'm not an asshole and do respect this person, whatever they want to be called"

I never said to call them out on it either. But since I assume most of us here are not dealing with this issue I could be honest. If you want to lie to your self so that you can feel morally good about your self go right ahead.

"So, I'm just curious of what you'd do if you were in that situation? Tell this person "too fucking bad, you look like a man so I'm calling you a he" and accept the fallout or are you just talking a big game online when in reality you'd be a big hypocrite?"

I would not go out of my way to point out to them 'hey you're a man / you're a woman', I'd just ignore it, probably refer to them by their name. If they put me in a position where I have to tell them what I think I will let them know or I'll avoid the topic. Again, like I said, between us here, that is how I feel.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_king

ACAB

Whoa, don't cut your self on all that edge.

[Traum]

I'm a LEO, all my work is outward facing.

That's nice, you're dealing with someone who has mental health issues is the right way to look at it. Which is fine, it probably doesn't have any bearing on their work.

Hmm... a LEO who thinks your belief that an LGBTQ+ is someone with a mental health issue is the correct view, and refuses to accept looking at it from another angle...

This is why it is absolutely wrong to only send police officers to do mental health checks on people that need them.
FailFish

I hope you'd have a good day.

[westopher]

You don't have to be not lefty to not have any principles of your own, you'll just fall for anything pushed to you. I've been on this board for near 20 years, never would have this been a discussion even 10 years ago, much less when I got on here.




I'm a LEO, all my work is outward facing.

"I have one of these non-binary individuals I deal with, one of our large key customer/accounts"

That's nice, you're dealing with someone who has mental health issues is the right way to look at it. Which is fine, it probably doesn't have any bearing on their work.

"I'd have a pretty tough time explaining to my bosses that I refused to respect this person enough to use their desired pronouns, and as a result lost major business"

Sure, you do it so you don't have to explain to your boss why a person with mental health issues is mad at you. It's simpler to just play along, I don't disagree, you don't have to go out of your way to point out that they're messed up in the head. But I won't go out of my way and part-take in their delusions either.

"It would never happen because I'm not an asshole and do respect this person, whatever they want to be called"

I never said to call them out on it either. But since I assume most of us here are not dealing with this issue I could be honest. If you want to lie to your self so that you can feel morally good about your self go right ahead.

"So, I'm just curious of what you'd do if you were in that situation? Tell this person "too fucking bad, you look like a man so I'm calling you a he" and accept the fallout or are you just talking a big game online when in reality you'd be a big hypocrite?"

I would not go out of my way to point out to them 'hey you're a man / you're a woman', I'd just ignore it, probably refer to them by their name. If they put me in a position where I have to tell them what I think I will let them know or I'll avoid the topic. Again, like I said, between us here, that is how I feel.




Whoa, don't cut your self on all that edge.

I think the edgelord here would be the cop, whose job it is to deal with people, having no interest in basic respect for certain groups.
Why do you think people have problems with cops? You're the perfect example of why Vancouver pride said they didn't want VPD there, because members like you make marginalized people uncomfortable, for good reason.

[donk.]

Vpd has bigger fish to fry, snowflakes melt on visual contact

[The7even]

Hmm... a LEO who thinks your belief that an LGBTQ+ is someone with a mental health issue is the correct view, and refuses to accept looking at it from another angle...

This is why it is absolutely wrong to only send police officers to do mental health checks on people that need them.
FailFish

I hope you'd have a good day.

I didn't say being gay, bisexual or a lesbian is a mental disorder.

Wanting people to call you xe / xir or whatever stupid thing you can come up with and having a total mental breakdown when someone doesn't is.

I did look at it from another angle. Here's the angle.
What you actually didn't know is that I'm transgender my self, and I use the pronouns 'master / commander' Monday through Friday and on the weekends I go by they / them. I am fluid after all. If you don't believe me it's because you're being bigoted and refuse to accept me for who I am.
That's what us trans people deal with on a daily basis though, not that you'd understand.

[SkinnyPupp]

Not all cops are bastards

This one is though

[T4RAWR]

Hmm... a LEO who thinks your belief that an LGBTQ+ is someone with a mental health issue is the correct view, and refuses to accept looking at it from another angle...

This is why it is absolutely wrong to only send police officers to do mental health checks on people that need them.
FailFish

I hope you'd have a good day.

Police shouldn't go at all. They should just send nurses and social workers.

[westopher]

You're 100% right about that, but when people suggest that being put into the budget the "thin blue line" crowd loses their collective minds.
So here we are, stuck with people like this guy going in to "de escalate a situation" with a mindset like shown above.

[Traum]

Police shouldn't go at all. They should just send nurses and social workers.
I suppose that's a different topic of discussion, but IMO, there should be a police presence there, because sometimes people with mental health issues can get violent. But they should just kind of stay in the background and not intervene unless there are signs of danger. The psych nurse / social worker should be the one to take the lead and do the majority of the work.

[T4RAWR]

I suppose that's a different topic of discussion, but IMO, there should be a police presence there, because sometimes people with mental health issues can get violent. But they should just kind of stay in the background and not intervene unless there are signs of danger. The psych nurse / social worker should be the one to take the lead and do the majority of the work.

They can be given some basic use of force options and a stab proof vest and be sent in.

It should be a risk they accept as part of the job.

Besides, most police officers don't want to go to mental health calls anyways.

[whitev70r]

Remember this RCMP officer? Stabbed by a mental health person living in a tent in Burnaby.

https://i.cbc.ca/1.6633218.1666981423!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/yang-martial-arts.jpg

[underscore]

Whoa, don't cut your self on all that edge.

That's funny coming from someone who says this.

I refuse to play along with their mental disorder. It's that simple.

[Hondaracer]

Remember this RCMP officer? Stabbed by a mental health person living in a tent in Burnaby.

https://i.cbc.ca/1.6633218.1666981423!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/yang-martial-arts.jpg

And nothings changed.

[The7even]

You're 100% right about that, but when people suggest that being put into the budget the "thin blue line" crowd loses their collective minds.
So here we are, stuck with people like this guy going in to "de escalate a situation" with a mindset like shown above.

Please don't call me "guy" again, bigot. I told you what my pronouns are.

[westopher]

Sorry when I said guy I meant dipshit. Don't cancel me on parler.

[hud 91gt]

Police shouldn't go at all. They should just send nurses and social workers.
Great in theory. They really are required to be on site in case things go sideways. My wife use to volunteer for St Paul’s in her youngest years. She would head into the downtown east side with a walkie talkie trying to find the individuals who missed their dialysis appointments (or was it HIV stuff, I can’t keep it straight). She’s pretty damn good at descalating situations but it was pretty unsafe. No matter how wel trained someone is in psychology, you can’t control drug behaviour.

Now talk about a large group, all being removed? I’d suspect it gets a little more tense.

[underscore]

I can't remember which city in the US created a mental health response team, I want to say it was Denver or Portland? But they haven't had to get assistance from police at all.

[Badhobz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e8P_-46EOk

[The7even]

I can't remember which city in the US created a mental health response team, I want to say it was Denver or Portland? But they haven't had to get assistance from police at all.

Portland is a liberal shit hole, you peck.

And so are most of the cities that've embraced policies you'd probably advocate for.

[68style]

I remember the old 7even being a workout dude with tough but at least logical views, not a condescending prick spouting generalizations.

[bcrdukes]

:inoutugh:

[The7even]

I remember the old 7even being a workout dude with tough but at least logical views, not a condescending prick spouting generalizations.


Not the same guy, similar user name. I was never known for being a workout dude. Don't want you to think less of someone because of me.

That being said, my views are v logical. What isn't logical is thinking or believing that there are more than two genders.

There is no xim / xer or they / them. There is only him and her and mental disorders.

Just because you fell for the bullshit disguised as empathy doesn't mean I will. Nor does not falling for that make me some evil intolerant villain that those who disagree would have you believe.

[68style]

See you don't know a single thing about me, but you went off on a little analysis of me and my belief system anyway.

Any idiot can do that, a logical person doesn't.

[SkinnyPupp]

I remember the old 7even being a workout dude with tough but at least logical views, not a condescending prick spouting generalizations.
2016 melted brains (edit I see now that it's not the same person, but the point stands)

[Manic!]

What you actually didn't know is that I'm transgender my self, and I use the pronouns 'master / commander' Monday through Friday and on the weekends I go by they / them. I am fluid after all. If you don't believe me it's because you're being bigoted and refuse to accept me for who I am.
That's what us trans people deal with on a daily basis though, not that you'd understand.

Hey baby I can call you master / commander any day of the week you want. i'm into leather, latex and water sports. P.M. me.

[underscore]

No scat play? Casual.

[SkinnyPupp]

This is MY Master & Commander

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjI0MTIxMTA2MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzY0NzgyMw@@._ V1_.jpg

[Badhobz]

Leave Britney alone !!!!

[donk.]

:inoutugh:

Get back in here you pleb, we need to help grow this dumpster fire

[donk.]

Leave Britney alone !!!!

https://www.rollingstone.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/leave-britney-alone-chris-crockerc.jpg?w=1600&h=900&crop=1

[Traum]

OK, I've got a pure logical question here for you. Stay with me.

I am straight up quoting exactly what you wrote earlier, OK?

There is no xim / xer or they / them. There is only him and her and mental disorders.


And then you also wrote earlier:
What you actually didn't know is that I'm transgender my self, and I use the pronouns 'master / commander' Monday through Friday and on the weekends I go by they / them. I am fluid after all. If you don't believe me it's because you're being bigoted and refuse to accept me for who I am.

That's what us trans people deal with on a daily basis though, not that you'd understand.

Please don't call me "guy" again, bigot. I told you what my pronouns are.
Following pure logic, the only possible conclusion that I can draw here is -- you're saying you have mental disorder?

Another possibility is -- your claim that you're transgender is actually a false claim. And if that's the case, then there is really no point for any of us to continue with this discussion with you because you are engaging it in bad faith.

[Badhobz]

https://youtu.be/74oGgFTgpI4

[danned]

ugly britneys

[Hehe]

IMHO, this whole BTQ (not LG) thing is nothing more than some men trying to demonstrate patriarchy in a world where they couldn't otherwise gain that "15min of fame" they seek.

It's always a biological man trying to exercise his right on women. The controversy is never a trans-man (biological woman) trying to use men's changeroom. It's never a trans-man (again, biological woman) trying to compete in men's sport, and in the case of queer in a library, I do not think for a fucking second that they are seeking acceptance from other men. When was the last time any dudes here has ever been bothered by how other dudes wear?

You could don a banana peel all over, and I wouldn't give a monkey fuck.

What they are seeking is the acceptance of women and children; that it is ok for men to take what's rightfully theirs. There's no women's champion for as long as it's ok for men to claim to be women and compete in those categories.

I'm perfectly fine for them to choose to wear whatever the fuck they please. I'm also perfectly fine for anyone to identify whatever pronounce they so desire. It's their decision, and it's their right.

But I'm not ok with these people to go out there and claim that if you don't accept the queer culture, don't let trans hang dicks in women changeroom, and don't let trans compete in women sports and that is homophobic or discrimination.

For fuck sake, the reason we created "women" categories for sports is that women can have a space to compete themselves instead of against physically stronger males. That's not discrimination. It's a scientific fact that men are physically stronger in general. The best women cannot outdo their male counterparts when it comes to physical.

For any men supporting the idea that trans should be allowed to compete in women sport, congrats. You just pushed the women's right back 100yrs. Because these people... they are not seeking our (men) acceptance. They are trying to force their male superiority (however screwed) onto a group of people who were more vulnerable in the first place.

And for any libs/lefties on this thread, if you are looking to counter my arguments, I will make it simple for you, find me a case where the controversy was that a biological woman were trying to force the acceptance in the field of men. It doesn't even need to be trans. And I will rest my case.

The truth is... if a woman is so good at something that she can outperform her male counterparts, men usually just take it. GM has a female CEO and I don't see any men also in GM's C-suit give a flying fuck about it.

It's always some man trying to outperform their female counterparts. If that's not patriarchy, I don't know what is.

[Badhobz]

See you don't know a single thing about me, but you went off on a little analysis of me and my belief system anyway.

Any idiot can do that, a logical person doesn't.

DUH its cuz you have a mexican rat in your avatar.

YOU HE/SHE/IT/ALIEN/DONKEY

[westopher]

I love the sports argument haha. Like the same people haven't spent their whole lives talking about how shitty womens sports are but think that people are becoming trans to win shotput.
I know two trans women who were born men, and 3 trans men who were born women. Since people only base their reality upon what they heard once without looking into it any further you now know that there have to be more trans men born women than trans women born men, none of them play sports because you heard it here. All the problems are now solved.
Guess what, also, none of them have ever caused an issue over an accidental misgendering (you wouldn't misgender any of them anymore, that was during transition) so who's really the one with the mental illness here? The people just going on living their lives as who they want to be? Or the ones telling them they can't because they are afraid of some underlying malicious motivation to groom kids, use the opposite bathrooms or cheat at sports? Who's the fucking delusional one?

[SkinnyPupp]

so who's really the one with the mental illness here? The people just going on living their lives as who they want to be? Or the ones telling them they can't because they are afraid of some underlying malicious motivation to groom kids, use the opposite bathrooms or cheat at sports? Who's the fucking delusional one?

Don't forget accusing them of wanting to replace women... That's totally a theory that a mentally stable person would believe.

[Hehe]

I love the sports argument haha. Like the same people haven't spent their whole lives talking about how shitty womens sports are but think that people are becoming trans to win shotput.
I know two trans women who were born men, and 3 trans men who were born women. Since people only base their reality upon what they heard once without looking into it any further you now know that there have to be more trans men born women than trans women born men, none of them play sports because you heard it here. All the problems are now solved.
Guess what, also, none of them have ever caused an issue over an accidental misgendering (you wouldn't misgender any of them anymore, that was during transition) so who's really the one with the mental illness here? The people just going on living their lives as who they want to be? Or the ones telling them they can't because they are afraid of some underlying malicious motivation to groom kids, use the opposite bathrooms or cheat at sports? Who's the fucking delusional one?

I said that they are welcome to do/say/believe whatever they want.

But the problem is that they want to force that ideology onto others. To force others to think that this is ok, this is good.

Why can't we just go back to the time when it is actually ok to disagree? The very idea that we, as humans, disagree is what propels us forward.

If we simply agreed that Earth was flat and it's the center of the universe, then, many of the greatest discoveries wouldn't have happened.

Oh yes, now the libs are going to claim that I'm "forcing" my ideologies onto them. No. What I'm saying is why don't we keep it to ourselves, think/believe/say whatever the fuck we want, and simply RESPECT that there are people who think different than us? Your way of thinking is right, my way of thinking is also right and all the other billions of ways of thinking are also right.

We are only human. We will be different and not perfect. And that is OK.

It is ok to queer to dress however they want in public, be it at library, school, street... etc. But it is also ok for people to not like the way queer think/dress. It's a personal opinion. Let's not elevate everything to homophobic and discrimination. It's simply just a disagreement. And as long as we respect the very principle that people should be allowed to have different opinions, that would be a huge step forward for humanity.

[Manic!]

I said that they are welcome to do/say/believe whatever they want.

But the problem is that they want to force that ideology onto others. To force others to think that this is ok, this is good.

Why can't we just go back to the time when it is actually ok to disagree? The very idea that we, as humans, disagree is what propels us forward.

If we simply agreed that Earth was flat and it's the center of the universe, then, many of the greatest discoveries wouldn't have happened.

Oh yes, now the libs are going to claim that I'm "forcing" my ideologies onto them. No. What I'm saying is why don't we keep it to ourselves, think/believe/say whatever the fuck we want, and simply RESPECT that there are people who think different than us? Your way of thinking is right, my way of thinking is also right and all the other billions of ways of thinking are also right.

We are only human. We will be different and not perfect. And that is OK.

It is ok to queer to dress however they want in public, be it at library, school, street... etc. But it is also ok for people to not like the way queer think/dress. It's a personal opinion. Let's not elevate everything to homophobic and discrimination. It's simply just a disagreement. And as long as we respect the very principle that people should be allowed to have different opinions, that would be a huge step forward for humanity.

The problem is not people not liking it or disagreeing. I disagree with a lot of things.The problem is when people who disagree try to ban it. If you don't like drag story time don't go. But don't go to a library to harass people who do go. in the states some places have banned drag shows altogether.


Yes that's PP in the middle with a guy wearing a straight pride shirt.

https://i.redd.it/j7o4nfhcg9bb1.png

[SkinnyPupp]

I said that they are welcome to do/say/believe whatever they want.

But the problem is that they want to force that ideology onto others. To force others to think that this is ok, this is good.

Why can't we just go back to the time when it is actually ok to disagree? The very idea that we, as humans, disagree is what propels us forward.

If we simply agreed that Earth was flat and it's the center of the universe, then, many of the greatest discoveries wouldn't have happened.

Oh yes, now the libs are going to claim that I'm "forcing" my ideologies onto them. No. What I'm saying is why don't we keep it to ourselves, think/believe/say whatever the fuck we want, and simply RESPECT that there are people who think different than us? Your way of thinking is right, my way of thinking is also right and all the other billions of ways of thinking are also right.

We are only human. We will be different and not perfect. And that is OK.

It is ok to queer to dress however they want in public, be it at library, school, street... etc. But it is also ok for people to not like the way queer think/dress. It's a personal opinion. Let's not elevate everything to homophobic and discrimination. It's simply just a disagreement. And as long as we respect the very principle that people should be allowed to have different opinions, that would be a huge step forward for humanity.
Because it's a human rights issue, not a "person opinion" issue. These people want to be treated like humans, but people aren't treating them that way.

The US went through the same thing with gay people, black people, and women, and going back through western civilizations, it was more and more people wanting to gain rights and just exist as everyone else. Now we're up to trans people. And every step of the way there are peanut brained bigots trying to stop it, all throughout history.

[westopher]

Saying "hey you can't come in here because you're trans" isn't like saying "I don't like broccoli"
These aren't opinions, and that's why these people are "shoving it in your face"
Hehe I'm not saying you are trying to actively prevent these people from doing something, but people are regularly treating these people like second class citizens. Being offended because they are saying that it's unacceptable isn't having their lifestyle jammed down your throat. If you do in fact believe that they shouldn't be treated poorly, you have the option to either get on their side, or stand to the side out of the way, but if you're offended or annoyed by someone standing up for themselves, you really don't believe that they deserve equal treatment.

[whitev70r]

What about the argument that this will lead to a slippery slope?

For example, what about polyamourous living ... is that a preference or a born thing? Suppose a polyamourous family of 3 (one husband, 2 wives) argued for human rights, right to get married, right to family tax provisions, right to adopt, etc.? I mean it wasn't so long ago that we just made polygamy against the law. (Mormons getting all giddy with polyamourous ... saying, I told you it was a good thing :lol)

[westopher]

Everything can always be the slippery slope argument. Look at the entire last 3 years of covid. According to antivaxxers all of our DNA should be altered by now and we have permanent curfews and are only allowed to go 15 minutes from our house.
Polyamory makes no difference to me either as long as it's consenting adults. The issue with so much of it before is it was based in religious (cult) manipulation and underage participants.
The fact still remains that we can allow one thing and not another, it's literally how society operates.

[MarkyMark]

IMHO, this whole BTQ (not LG) thing is nothing more than some men trying to demonstrate patriarchy in a world where they couldn't otherwise gain that "15min of fame" they seek.


Hey now Miss Netherlands won fair and square

https://www.yourstru.ly/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/2023-07-11_27_rikkie-valerie-kolle-crowned-as-first-transgen.jpg

[Traum]

For example, what about polyamourous living ... is that a preference or a born thing? Suppose a polyamourous family of 3 (one husband, 2 wives) argued for human rights, right to get married, right to family tax provisions, right to adopt, etc.? I mean it wasn't so long ago that we just made polygamy against the law. (Mormons getting all giddy with polyamourous ... saying, I told you it was a good thing :lol)
Polygamy is generally a poor example because rich people have been doing it on a regular basis for eternity. Plus, from an evolutionary biology POV, it actually make sense. :lol

IMO monogamy is only invented and made into law / the norm as a societal form of (human) resource distribution. Without it, the family-forming ratio will heavily skew in favour of the alpha males, and that will create societal conflicts among the masses. In fact, the arrangements be detrimental to everyone except for the alpha male, and create social unrest. By formalizing monogamy in a legal sense, resource distribution becomes more even, and the big alpha males will still get to engage in polygamy anyway lol~

[whitev70r]

Trans athlete in sports discussion (debate is mostly men trans to women sports). 2 openly gay female athletes with different opinions. Navratilova has been against trans women in women category sports. Rapinoe says bring it on.

https://twitter.com/Martina/status/1678522177820282885

[unit]

there is something about this going on right now with a bike race called the belgian waffle ride. it just took place in BC last month and goes to several other cities around the world. a mtf rider won the female category which sparked debate.

now they put a new category, 'open', and made the mens and womens categories for biological men and women only.

[Manic!]

https://i.redd.it/43qsrugnqrbb1.jpg

[MarkyMark]

From woman of the year to just some piece of trash who won't tow the line lol

[Hehe]

Because it's a human rights issue, not a "person opinion" issue. These people want to be treated like humans, but people aren't treating them that way.

The US went through the same thing with gay people, black people, and women, and going back through western civilizations, it was more and more people wanting to gain rights and just exist as everyone else. Now we're up to trans people. And every step of the way there are peanut brained bigots trying to stop it, all throughout history.

You are right, it's a human right issue.

By forcing others to accept an idea/opinion they don't truly believe, that's human rights violation at its most basic level. Where is the right for those people? Why is it that we should respect the minorities and yet don't ask the minorities to return the favor?

Instead of pushing rights for this group, and rights for another group. Why can't we ask people, especially kids, to learn to respect others' differences, regardless of how different they might be physically, mentally, psychologically, religiously... etc.

Accept and embrace the differences. The idea is not to form a convergent type of thinking but rather cherish a divergent one. As long as one's decision is not against the law (the basic rule of society) and it's not causing harm/making others uncomfortable, fire away. Do anything you want.

But keep in mind, as you are expecting others to respect your decisions, you are also expected to respect others' decisions, even if it's completely opposite of yours.

[westopher]

How you can not manage to understand there's a difference between someone's beliefs on how they should live their own life, to your beliefs on how they should life their life is fucking mind boggling.
Disliking homophobia is not the same thing as disliking homosexuality for example.

[SkinnyPupp]

I am out of word

[Hakkaboy]

Wait, so are white supremacists ok and we should embrace and respect their point of view because it's not against the law?

[westopher]

BrO iF YoU wANt AccePtaNce ItS A 2 WaY sTrEeT

[Hehe]

I see that you guys are ok to have a higher expectation of a group of people in our population while expecting less of another.

Prejudice is a big part of discrimination if you think about it.

Worse, it seems that these extreme lefties are ok to accept some group of people being discriminative toward others as long as it fits their agenda.

I just read a note from a Jewish writer condemning Chinese-American for their support to the decision to abolish AA system. They had the audacity of claiming, and I quote: “Asians were only able to immigrate to the United States b/c Black civil rights leaders passed immigration reform.”

First, much of the early Chinese American population arrived in America through the building of railroads. They didn't mention one bit about all the discrimination against them. And think that Chinese Americans should thank the Black leaders for passing immigration reform. And saying that this is supporting the white supremacist.

By the same idea of "gratitude", should the African-American community thank all the original slave traders because that's how they got out of Africa in the first place?

Do you see how ridiculous these claims are? They never mention anything about the discrimination that other races face. They basically go just a step short of claiming Black people are some kind of saviour to Chinese population like Jesus/God/Allah/whatever you believe.

This is fucked up. The reason Chinese-American support abolishing AA is because it's usually in the Chinese family philosophy that education is important and spend a good share of their resources educating their kids. Of course they feel it's unfair to base university entry based on not a student's capability, but rather other merits like race, social group they are in... etc. We are not just talking about students who gets straight As from school. They do community works, they volunteer, they do team sport... and basically everything how to be a good citizen for the society.

And no. You ain't black, we don't care.

What message are we sending to our future generations? Instead of working hard for your future, be fucked up and claim that it's all the fault of other groups of people? There's never self-reflection and self-improvement. It's always other people's problem. Or worse... just telling them... oh, because you are not white... you can never achieve any greatness.

I don't know about you guys, but I surely wasn't raised that way and it's not something I'd ever tell my kids. If anything, my dad has always told me that we are immigrants. So we need to work harder than those native in order to have a chance at succeeding.

I'm not claiming that racism is ok. All I'm saying that, the only way to truly bring an equality in our society is to have a simple level of respect to everyone. Regardless what color you are, you can respect that other color exists. Regardless of what believe you are, you can respect that other believes exist. Regardless of what you wear, you can respect that other clothing option exist. Regardless of what/who you love, you can respect that others can love things/people that you are just not that into.

[Hehe]

Wait, so are white supremacists ok and we should embrace and respect their point of view because it's not against the law?

I don't know where in my post gave you that idea.

My idea is simple. It's great to be white/black/yellow/red... whatever. It's also ok to feel it's meh to be white/black/yellow/red... whatever. Those are opinions of one. As long as one respect that opinion from others, that's ok.

In other words, if you are white, and you like black chicks... good. If your friend is also white and doesn't like black chicks but instead prefer Asian, that's also good. There is no better or worse. No group of ethnicity is superior or inferior. Just different people with different opinions. And as long as they respect the decision of another, it's just that... personal preference.

The problem now is... they say White Supremacy is bad. And now somehow Black Supremacy is ok?!

I'm just saying... there is no supremacy or inferiority. Just humans.

[underscore]

You seem to be confusing peoples right to exist as a person with being forced to like them. But you do need to treat everyone equally. It's really not a very complicated concept.

By forcing others to accept an idea/opinion they don't truly believe, that's human rights violation at its most basic level. Where is the right for those people?

The "right" to not want trans/gay/black/etc people to exist? That's not a right.

Why is it that we should respect the minorities and yet don't ask the minorities to return the favor?

What favor? By "respecting" the wishes of bigots and dying?

[unit]

I don't know where in my post gave you that idea.

My idea is simple. It's great to be white/black/yellow/red... whatever. It's also ok to feel it's meh to be white/black/yellow/red... whatever. Those are opinions of one. As long as one respect that opinion from others, that's ok.

In other words, if you are white, and you like black chicks... good. If your friend is also white and doesn't like black chicks but instead prefer Asian, that's also good. There is no better or worse. No group of ethnicity is superior or inferior. Just different people with different opinions. And as long as they respect the decision of another, it's just that... personal preference.

The problem now is... they say White Supremacy is bad. And now somehow Black Supremacy is ok?!

I'm just saying... there is no supremacy or inferiority. Just humans.

ah yes, black supremacy, a real problem in the world today.

[inv4zn]

lol, hehe the type of guy to say "I'm not racist, I know black people!"

Imagine thinking people demanding you simply respect other people is somehow ramming ideology down your throat, but at the same time demanding people respect your favourite pastime of burning crosses while wearing a pointy mask.

[westopher]

Revscenes Ben Shapiro from wish.

[mikemhg]

Hehe sounds like my neighbor that likes to ear-beat me with his latest info from Rebel News when I run into him.

I'm not even sure what kind of argument Hehe is making, his understanding on the subject is so myopic that I don't even know where to start :lol

One should always have pride in whatever they are, I don't think anyone would make an argument against that. Historically speaking though, "White Supremacy" carries a very detailed and troublesome past if we're speaking to what it would traditionally represent, and the actions of those within that "sphere" have taken to push such an ideology. There is no such history attached the same way to the idea of "Black Supremacy".

But continue on with what philosophical mental gymnastics you're trying to attempt there, Benny Boy.

[bcrdukes]

Does he tell you he's not a racist too? lol

[CivicBlues]

These are the types that always tell you they "pulled themselves up from their bootstraps" or "I worked hard for where I am" for whatever reason even if it has nothing to do with the subject at hand but especially when talking about the poor or "lesser" races.

[Hehe]

These are the types that always tell you they "pulled themselves up from their bootstraps" or "I worked hard for where I am" for whatever reason even if it has nothing to do with the subject at hand but especially when talking about the poor or "lesser" races.

I've given up the idea of telling people how I've done it.

It's irrelevant as many do not have the skill, determination, opportunities... etc as I've had.

But just as the same way I won't give a fuck about how many of the well-off people in my parents generation telling me how to do things, because again, we have different skills, determinations and opportunities.

Nevertheless, I strongly believe in the idea that the only way for someone in some complicated if not downright nasty and harsh social environment to become better, whether it's socially, mentally or financially is through education, regardless what capacity the person have. Handouts never achieve anything if progress is not accountable.

The more they read and learn, the better they would be able to get control of their life and contribute to the society.

I'm actually in the process of starting my own non-profit organization with the help of my parents, even though my lawyer has told me that it's probably a good 2-3yrs before I get granted the status, to help children in need. I figured it's a decent way for my parents to make sure that their fortune would have a lasting impact on our society rather than just giving away to random organizations for them to give handouts.

It's going to concentrate its effort and resources on families with children with developmental disabilities. Many of the children with DD, they don't get enough/proper education because of lack of funding for the education they actually need. It's unlikely that my parents' wealth to cover everyone, but the idea is to do as much as we can.

[Badhobz]

Fuck that shit !!! Kids are stupid. Go start a non profit for car enthusiasts who want to buy golf Rs and do other things good too.

[Hehe]

Fuck that shit !!! Kids are stupid. Go start a non profit for car enthusiasts who want to buy golf Rs and do other things good too.

How do you think I'm going to fund my Ferrari? :troll::ilied:

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I guess you don't work in a very outward facing job?
I could just imagine how that would go down in a professional workplace, or even better where that person is a customer/client.

I have one of these non-binary individuals I deal with, one of our large key customer/accounts.

I'd have a pretty tough time explaining to my bosses that I refused to respect this person enough to use their desired pronouns, and as a result lost major business.

It would never happen because I'm not an asshole and do respect this person, whatever they want to be called.

So, I'm just curious of what you'd do if you were in that situation? Tell this person "too fucking bad, you look like a man so I'm calling you a he" and accept the fallout or are you just talking a big game online when in reality you'd be a big hypocrite?


Ummm... but this scenario involves money... and people profiting and gaining power, and people potentially losing their jobs and having a bad time cuz of that...

it's basically another form of corruption.

yes, i'd play along, cuz i wanna get paid, but i wouldnt agree with what is happening... well i agree with the money going into my pocket part LOL.

it literally is corruption. and you and your bosses are being corrupted.


much like most academic and other spaces have "equality/diversity" departments... and they get funding right... and if they expand their influence and power, and expand the department, they get MORE funding right? and then the heads of these departments get paid MORE right? and the money trickles down in their department... or not LOL. who's funding them? why do they keep increasing the funds? cuz they also get applauded when this department does well... and it would also be in their interests to "respect" their pronouns unless you want some kind of mutiny. money is involved.

it LITERALLY is a form of corruption. once money is involved, there are other motives. hell there might even be people against it but they push the agenda cuz they get paid more. CORRUPTION.

replace the word trans with politicians. LOL, it would be straight corruption wouldnt it? oh i dont wanna get fired or have to explain to my bosses why i said no... cuz they have a big account and move lots of money so i'll just play along...

it was a really bad example on your part to involve money.

if it didnt involve big commission type money, it would then just be a customer service job where u get paid to act and treat customers with respect... (cuz u want their money or don't wanna get fired still... hah...)

lol, outside of money and getting paid... you could treat them however you wanted within law.

one doesn't have to treat everyone in this world automatically with respect. unless it's some game theory shit where something is on the line or you stand to gain something out of it... then it's corruption LOL.

FYI i know trans people... and i respect some, and i dont respect others. I call some by their desired pronouns, and others i dont give a flying fuck. the difference is their agendas and how they push or dont push their identities on others... and how capable they are as a human being at various tasks. and yes some form of game theory or corruption that i can admit. i may or may not stand to gain or lose something with these people. where as the others i disrespect are pathetic individuals that i wouldn't save if all i had to do is lend a hand.

[68style]

I literally just saw a Jordan Peterson tiktok that said what you just said. Bleh.

I think many other people above said "How about doing something to help someone else feel good/welcome/seen, is that so hard?"

That isn't commanding respect, it's just being proactively human toward others for no personal gain, which kind of sounds like the antithesis of corruption.

[mikemhg]

This whole tranny talk is starting to fall into the realm of Jewish space lasers causing fires in Maui for me..

[Manic!]

Does E-SPEC own a tractor?

Tractor in an anti SOGI convoy on highway 1 in Surrey gets rolled over by police.

https://twitter.com/tMayor_McCheese/status/1728597430030176373?s=20

https://twitter.com/TiktokScientist/status/1728589277322523018?s=20

The crash

https://content.jwplatform.com/previews/N5X0iXrH

All these anti sogi people are idiots.