[tegra7]

Those are just aero covers that go over the wheels just like model 3,Y have. They can be taken off, re aligned, ect.


https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1633174097168302081

[SkinnyPupp]

Oh, hubcaps are in again, cool

[underscore]

So they're just snapped on?

[tegra7]

So they're just snapped on?

yes
https://youtu.be/-HBW3YQJTgA?si=fS5v8OHBDgZ0VYAu

[Manic!]

The sidewalls for the tire are custom to match the hubcaps. They also don't line up that well in some locations.

[Badhobz]

Oh, hubcaps are in again, cool

Oh excellent! so base model Corolla LEs were always cool then.

[JDMDreams]

At least the cover to the edge of the rim so when Chinas curb the wheel you can just replace the cover and not damage the wheel like their current designs.

[RabidRat]

Pricing announced!


EST. $60,990 USD
REAR-WHEEL DRIVE
- AVAILABLE IN 2025
- 250 MI. RANGE (EST.)
- 6.5 SEC. 0-60 MPH


EST. $79,990 USD
ALL-WHEEL DRIVE
- DELIVERY IN 2024
- 340 MI. RANGE (EST.)
- 4.1 SEC. 0-60 MPH
- 112 MPH TOP SPEED
- 600 HORSEPOWER
- 7,435 LB-FT TORQUE
- 11,000 LBS. TOWING CAPACITY


EST. $99,990 USD
CYBERBEAST
- DELIVERY IN 2024
- 320 MI. RANGE (EST.)
- 2.6 SEC. 0-60 MPHT
- 130 MPH TOP SPEED
- 845 HORSEPOWER
- 10,296 LB-FT TORQUE
- 11,000 LBS. TOWING CAPACITY


*With rollout subtracted.

[pastarocket]

Did anyone see the video of the Cybertruck towing a 911 and beating a 911 in a drag race?

Musk brags at the end of the video "Wait, there's more". Video of the finish line shows the toy truck towing a 911 and beating the other driver in another 911.

Honestly, I am not impressed by this toy truck.

The 911 would smoke that toy truck in a circuit race. The real measure of a vehicle's handling is a circuit race.

All those Tesla fan boys in that video "oohing, ahhing" at the Cybertruck towing a 911 and beating a driver in another 911. LUL

Porsche engineering >>> Tesla engineering.

Video:

https://youtu.be/Hf2H_jev2OY?feature=shared

[Manic!]

Did anyone see the video of the Cybertruck towing a 911 and beating a 911 in a drag race?

Musk brags at the end of the video "Wait, there's more". Video of the finish line shows the toy truck towing a 911 and beating the other driver in another 911.

Honestly, I am not impressed by this toy truck.

The 911 would smoke that toy truck in a circuit race. The real measure of a vehicle's handling is a circuit race.

All those Tesla fan boys in that video "oohing, ahhing" at the Cybertruck towing a 911 and beating a driver in another 911. LUL

Porsche engineering >>> Tesla engineering.

Video:

https://youtu.be/Hf2H_jev2OY?feature=shared

He is not comparing handling. He is comparing acceleration.

[tegra7]

Cause full size pickup trucks are meant for circuit racing.

[pastarocket]

He is not comparing handling. He is comparing acceleration.

That is my point about these so called tests. Where is the independent testing of Teslas compared to other vehicles in terms of handling? Only acceleration?

Sure, Musk can show the drag race comparisons all he wants to people.

Let's see the Cybertruck handle itself on a circuit against a 911 Turbo.

Will a Cybertruck have better handling and a better lap time against a 911 Turbo in a circuit race? Hmm.

[Manic!]

That is my point about these so called tests. Where is the independent testing of Teslas compared to other vehicles in terms of handling? Only acceleration?

Sure, Musk can show the drag race comparisons all he wants to people.

Let's see the Cybertruck handle itself on a circuit against a 911 Turbo.

Will a Cybertruck have better handling and a better lap time against a 911 Turbo in a circuit race? Hmm.

Let's see that green 911 go offroading or carry multiple sheets of plywood. Do you think it can beat the cybertruck in any of those tasks?


Looking at the price and seeing the reaction. Looks like many people will dropping out of the pre-order.

[JDMDreams]

Well I mean you can spend 3 times the cost of the top cyber truck and get this

https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/porsche_911_dakar_lead_copy.jpg?itok=MGhDRGOM

[Manic!]

Well I mean you can spend 3 times the cost of the top cyber truck and get this

https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/gallery_slide/public/images/car-reviews/first-drives/legacy/porsche_911_dakar_lead_copy.jpg?itok=MGhDRGOM

Can you actually buy that from Porsche? My understanding is that they are all sold out.

[Badhobz]

Price doesn’t seem that insane for what is supposedly is. That kind of nut bag design and only charging 70k for it ?! Seems like a steal

[underscore]

Yeah cause we need dumbasses with trailers being able to crash into people even more easily. What a useless metric. Especially without even stating which model of 911 is used.

[freakshow]

not gonna lie.. I kinda want one

[MarkyMark]

I still wouldn't want one but the ones that have the matte black wrap on them look a lot better imo.

[twitchyzero]

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/attachments/jason-camissa-cybertruck-delorean-sonoma-raceway-track-4-jpg.30357/

[68style]

Can you actually buy that from Porsche? My understanding is that they are all sold out.

Your statement also applies to the Cybertruck so ???

[hud 91gt]

Why get your panties in a knot and defensive about Porsche.

It’s impressive it can beat a sports car in a straight line. It’s doing sports car things, in a big ass ugly truck. Can it handle ad well? At 3-4x the weight probably not. But neither will a competing truck.

At these prices, I bet it will be a bit of a flop, except in Vancouver. Where they will replace G wagons. Lol. What a stupid vehicle. A cool vehicle, but what a stupid vehicle. lol.

[Hehe]

It's a bit disappointing that there's no more of the 500miles variant.

But I guess it makes sense. It was going to be a lot of batteries in there and hauling all that weight all the time is stupid.

Assuming the range extender is something I can take on and off, I'd pick a dual-motor with RE when it does become available.

[SkinnyPupp]

Are we getting mad when a company boasts an insane 0-60? I know Elon is a total creep and a goober, but come on.

[MarkyMark]

Word on the street is the range extender is 16k USD and takes up half the bed space.

[Hehe]

Word on the street is the range extender is 16k USD and takes up half the bed space.

No pricing yet, but it takes about 30% of the bed. Pic can be seen on Tesla's site.

Last pic of the carousel at the bottom of the CT page.

[MarkyMark]

No pricing yet, but it takes about 30% of the bed. Pic can be seen on Tesla's city.

Last pic of the carousel at the bottom of the CT page.

Yeah I read on Reddit that they found 16k in the source code but that could be bullshit. Either way it's a horrible way to get extended range.

I also watched the highlights of the event and man, the baseball against the window was so fucking cringe, at least get someone who doesn't throw like a pussy to do it.

[Manic!]

Your statement also applies to the Cybertruck so ???

https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/cybertruck/design

Now where can I pre order a Dakar? Tesla is first come first served. Porsche is all about who you know and how many cars you have bought.

[Manic!]

First review is out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6WDq0V5oBg

[Badhobz]

Shit! It’s shaping up to be a great product.

Just give it a few years for them to work out the build quality problems and it seems to be quite good.

[68style]

https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/cybertruck/design

Now where can I pre order a Dakar? Tesla is first come first served. Porsche is all about who you know and how many cars you have bought.

I'm aware you CAN pre-order a CT, but I feel like it's no difference when you can't get something for 4-5 years or not at all... might as well be not at all. the world changes a lot in 4-5 years.

[sonick]

First review is out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6WDq0V5oBg

The go kart vs cybertruck scene was fantastic

[underscore]

https://www.tesla.com/en_ca/cybertruck/design

Now where can I pre order a Dakar? Tesla is first come first served. Porsche is all about who you know and how many cars you have bought.

Porsche could let you "pre-order" one and fuck off with your money for 4-9 years too, that still doesn't mean anything.

[tegra7]

Now I can see why it took them 4 years..The tech behind it is impressive.

[pastarocket]

Although the tech in the CT is impressive, the Cybertruck is hands down one of the ugliest vehicles in the world.

The Cybertruck reminds me of a stainless steel fridge put in a horizontal position so that someone can put wheels on it.

My gosh. The CT makes the BMW XM look better in comparison even though the XM has the pig snout grille.

[JDMDreams]

God damn based on the glass roof and interior shots it looks very spacious. There's so much new technology, steer by wire, 48v electrical. I've never wanted a pick up truck this much before:sweetjesus:

[Manic!]

Porsche could let you "pre-order" one and fuck off with your money for 4-9 years too, that still doesn't mean anything.

I would drop $150 and wait 4 to 9 years for a Dakar at MSRP. Where do I sign up?

[68style]

Well no shit, you could re-sell a Dakar for 2-3x what it's worth.

That's not true of this vehicle unless you're first orders and selling to rich fanbois.

[radeonboy]

I'm just happy to see this truck finally being delivered and staying (mostly) true to its original design. Wonder when the stores will have units for us to touch and feel one..

EDIT: a lot more detail is shared in the Carmudgeon Hagerty podcast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjIPEtegPt4

[mikemhg]

No pricing yet, but it takes about 30% of the bed. Pic can be seen on Tesla's site.

Last pic of the carousel at the bottom of the CT page.

UmMMM iT's aCtuaLLY 30%, NOT haLF!

Oh boy :lol

[twitchyzero]

yeah this wasn't designed to be just another pick-up like the lightning, it seems like finally a disrupter to the establishment and to people saying it's ugly lol like the modern f150 or silverado is beautiful

I'm aware you CAN pre-order a CT, but I feel like it's no difference when you can't get something for 4-5 years or not at all... might as well be not at all. the world changes a lot in 4-5 years.

at the new price the waitlist will thin out in 2 years or less

i already got my deposit back (i think i signed up that night it went live), even with the association with elon i think the free loan a lot of people gave seems to have been worth it for all these new tech

im interested at the old price, 15-20% smaller in dimensions (if possible to still deliver 300 miles) and once production kinks have been ironed out

[Badhobz]

i gottta give it to batshit crazy Elon for one thing, he is quite singular to his vision. All his hairbrained ideas he puts most of it into reality for better or worse.

Space X? sure
Boring a tunnel that nobody uses? yup
This ugly turd truck that looks like a fridge? do it!!!

Props to him for not caving to public/peer pressure and sticking with his guns.

the strength of that stainless steel is fucking insane. Cant be dented, acts as a side impact beam, bulletproof, etc. jesus christ.

This might be the breakthrough material that makes other carmakers sit up and takes notes (again). he's such an industry disturber its not even funny.

[teggy604]

Although the tech in the CT is impressive, the Cybertruck is hands down one of the ugliest vehicles in the world.

The Cybertruck reminds me of a stainless steel fridge put in a horizontal position so that someone can put wheels on it.

My gosh. The CT makes the BMW XM look better in comparison even though the XM has the pig snout grille.

When function over form is to the extreme side of the spectrum. This is something that an engineer would build. Looks is secondary. lol.

[68style]

yeah this wasn't designed to be just another pick-up like the lightning, it seems like finally a disrupter to the establishment and to people saying it's ugly lol like the modern f150 or silverado is beautiful



at the new price the waitlist will thin out in 2 years or less

i already got my deposit back (i think i signed up that night it went live), even with the association with elon i think the free loan a lot of people gave seems to have been worth it for all these new tech

im interested at the old price, 15-20% smaller in dimensions (if possible to still deliver 300 miles) and once production kinks have been ironed out

I think the poiont Jason made in the video is important... the X came out and was unwieldy to build and excessive... and then they brought out the Y and it's their best selling vehicle.

I think there will be a second version of the Cybetruck that comes out and is more conventional at some point and that will be the one to get.

[Dbone]

Top Gear's view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uefydJUbRhc

Still not for me, though I can appreciate some of the design engineering done.

Those quarter panels in the front looks like they are ready to cut someone's arm off. Also, the interior would drive me insane. Everything including the rear view mirror is on the screen?

When function over form is to the extreme side of the spectrum. This is something that an engineer would build. Looks is secondary. lol.

Uh.. what? This whole thing is form over function. The whole challenge was to make something that looked like this actually work. This is an engineer's nightmare. If they can produce this at volume and make money at it, then they certainly will have earned their due.

[JDMDreams]

That's the thing, they didn't choose the easy way like other oems and use off the shelf parts. They designed the car from ground up, trying to reinvent the truck. They could have just made a aluminum car like everyone else, carbon but they didn't. They didn't have to make it dent proof, they didn't have to go 48v, they didn't need shatter proof glass, steer by wire, but they did, and it puts it leagues above the others that used conventional tech. And it's all engineered and made in house. Kinda like bat shit crazy konessugigggs if they don't have the tech, they invent it themselves.

[Badhobz]

Yup. Props to Tesla and Elon for having this much balls. Seriously impressive from a technical standpoint.

If they can take this material and make their sports car with it. It’ll be next gen.

[MG1]

I put down $100 eons ago (not elons ago, gulolol).......... totally forgot about doing it. Got the e-mail yesterday. I can wait another ten years............

[punkwax]

I’ve always been intrigued by this and watching that video kinda made it move a little.

[twitchyzero]

looks like they ship with the wing mirrors but allow you take them off easily


Uh.. what? This whole thing is form over function. The whole challenge was to make something that looked like this actually work. This is an engineer's nightmare. If they can produce this at volume and make money at it, then they certainly will have earned their due.

then even more impressive to get drag coefficient down to compete with mclaren

+1 to see volume production



I think there will be a second version of the Cybetruck that comes out and is more conventional at some point and that will be the one to get.

yes once they get the tooling costs down, would be interesting to keep the controversial shape and structural panels lol

[yray]

LOL some kids gonna pickle/passify a dick on these trucks

[Great68]

I didn't notice anything in Cammisa's video that outlined anything that would appeal to/win over actual truck market segment buyers.

Your Joe Schmoe non-technical person is not going to even know what a 48V system is or even want that specific thing enough to care.

The "It saves money by reducing cable size" is true, sure, but how much raw material cost are we we talking about here?

Rough math, those three steering motors he says are 5hp combined. ~100A per motor at 12V. Need a cable size of 3 gauge ~$1.50 per foot, let's say conservatively you need 30' (20' to the back, 5' to each side on the front), $45 total.

Now, at 48V that's 26A each. Need 10gauge. $0.34 foot. $10 total.

So you save $30 worth of copper, on a $100,000 vehicle. Whooptiedoo, drop in the bucket

That whole segment seems like Telsa handed Cammisa their marketing talking points and a tub of money.

[twitchyzero]

I didn't notice anything in Cammisa's video that outlined anything that would appeal to/win over actual truck market segment buyers.


it's not trying to, that's not the point of the icon series of videos

mkbhd's does a better job, ironically from a tech tuber

i think it's a legit point though; why are we still on 12V when most new products comes come with multiple screens that go up to like 20" Lol

also raw materials is only part of the equation, simplifying and cutting huge number of parts is a big win going forward esp given all the supply shortages we've seen recently

also rivian and lucid are losing tons of money per vehicle sold, and aren't cheaper than the tesla but they dont get targeted by criticism as much because it's not ugly and their ceo arent maniacs

[jaaagman]

I didn't notice anything in Cammisa's video that outlined anything that would appeal to/win over actual truck market segment buyers.

Your Joe Schmoe non-technical person is not going to even know what a 48V system is or even want that specific thing enough to care.

The "It saves money by reducing cable size" is true, sure, but how much raw material cost are we we talking about here?

Rough math, those three steering motors he says are 5hp combined. ~100A per motor at 12V. Need a cable size of 3 gauge ~$1.50 per foot, let's say conservatively you need 30' (20' to the back, 5' to each side on the front), $45 total.

Now, at 48V that's 26A each. Need 10gauge. $0.34 foot. $10 total.

So you save $30 worth of copper, on a $100,000 vehicle. Whooptiedoo, drop in the bucket

That whole segment seems like Telsa handed Cammisa their marketing talking points and a tub of money.

This was never designed to appeal to the truck owner's market. I see it as more of an engineering exercise/halo product, and caters to the "lifestyle/baller" crowd (like the Rivian, Raptor, or TRX). I can appreciate the engineering that went into it, but that's it.

People who have actual uses for trucks were never going to buy an EV truck with a dinky truck bed in the first place for $100k USD.

I would also not want to find out what it's like to be hit by this monstrosity. I suspect the person in question will just get pulverized like the first scene in The Boys.

[whitev70r]

It's obvious that it is generating either a hate it or love it kind of response. Most importantly, Musk has people talking ... at least for the time being.

I think it'd be a hoot to rent for a weekend (eventually car rental companies will carry it) if you need a pickup to move or haul stuff. That's really the extent that I would put into this.

[MarkyMark]

A lot of time and money went into something that sounds like it was made for shits and giggles. Meanwhile truck drivers won't switch from a GMC to a Chevy even though it's the same fucking truck lol.

[jaaagman]

I think a lot of this engineering is going to trickle down to lesser models in the future, since the R&D is already done.

It would be interesting to see a sub-Model 3 sized hatchback that could be sold at a lower price point with some more sustainable battery tech.

[Badhobz]

the fact that it doesnt have a rear view mirror is a bit disheartening. At least put one in and just link it to a camera like GM does

[68style]

He did kinda address it in his video, he basically said it’s this generations LM002 which only appealed to super wealthy people and had no real functionality in the real world lol

[Hehe]

This was never designed to appeal to the truck owner's market. I see it as more of an engineering exercise/halo product, and caters to the "lifestyle/baller" crowd (like the Rivian, Raptor, or TRX). I can appreciate the engineering that went into it, but that's it.

People who have actual uses for trucks were never going to buy an EV truck with a dinky truck bed in the first place for $100k USD.

I would also not want to find out what it's like to be hit by this monstrosity. I suspect the person in question will just get pulverized like the first scene in The Boys.

The idea of moving to 48v architecture is not just saving on cabling. With 12v, you need so much more current to deliver the same amount of power. Hence, given the same amount of energy, 48v can drive much more powerful motors or whatever electrical stuff in a car's system.

The only reason the truck or even the car industry as a whole stuck with 12v architecture is not because 12v is better. In fact, I'd be impressed to find any significant advantage of 12v over 48v, maybe a smaller size, but that's it.

They stayed because no one else had the cojones to actually make the jump. Heck, the car industry didn't even begin with 12v, IIRC they had 6v or something back in the days. Only in the 50s Ford jumped to the 12v standard and that's how 12v became the way we knew. In the 90s, there was a proposal to shift to 42v, but everyone just stuck with the status quo because no one wanted to get out of their comfort zone.

Tesla is not going to use 48v on CT only. Eventually, the entire lineup would shift to 48v.

IMHO, Tesla in car is like Apple in phone, they lead the change. Ford used to lead the change as well. But as they got older, they basically hire people who can preserve what they have instead of going beyond. Same problem in any legacy carmakers.

3.5mm jack is pointless as wireless audio advances for most people. People who do need a wired connection can have an adapter, no point for a dedicated port to exist as it brings no real benefit and it's a constraint on design.

People don't know what's better if they have never been presented with an alternative. Trucker never knew what 48v system in their trucks can do for them. They stuck with 12v system because that's the only thing offered.

[Harvey Specter]

I'll be shocked if Elon can mass produce this thing or deliver enough of them in the next year or two to keep investors happy.

What he should have done was capitalize on the initial demand and produced a bunch of 'launch editions' and sold them for $200,000+. It would have been easy money that could have kept investors and customers happy until they could mass produce assuming they can.

[tegra7]

Tesla has been using a 16v electrical system in their 2022 + models. Some dont like it as they're having issues installing aftermarket electrical items like amp/sub, ect.

[noclue]

The idea of moving to 48v architecture is not just saving on cabling. With 12v, you need so much more current to deliver the same amount of power. Hence, given the same amount of energy, 48v can drive much more powerful motors or whatever electrical stuff in a car's system.

The only reason the truck or even the car industry as a whole stuck with 12v architecture is not because 12v is better. In fact, I'd be impressed to find any significant advantage of 12v over 48v, maybe a smaller size, but that's it.

They stayed because no one else had the cojones to actually make the jump. Heck, the car industry didn't even begin with 12v, IIRC they had 6v or something back in the days. Only in the 50s Ford jumped to the 12v standard and that's how 12v became the way we knew. In the 90s, there was a proposal to shift to 42v, but everyone just stuck with the status quo because no one wanted to get out of their comfort zone.

Tesla is not going to use 48v on CT only. Eventually, the entire lineup would shift to 48v.

IMHO, Tesla in car is like Apple in phone, they lead the change. Ford used to lead the change as well. But as they got older, they basically hire people who can preserve what they have instead of going beyond. Same problem in any legacy carmakers.

3.5mm jack is pointless as wireless audio advances for most people. People who do need a wired connection can have an adapter, no point for a dedicated port to exist as it brings no real benefit and it's a constraint on design.

People don't know what's better if they have never been presented with an alternative. Trucker never knew what 48v system in their trucks can do for them. They stuck with 12v system because that's the only thing offered.

Mercedes/Audi/BMW already rolled out 48V systems
Hyundai already offers 800V
I guess the unique thing is the drive by wire.

Don't exactly see the superior technology of tesla. But it'll be exciting when they roll these tech into the Model Y/3.

[Hehe]

Mercedes/Audi/BMW already rolled out 48V systems
Hyundai already offers 800V
I guess the unique thing is the drive by wire.

Don't exactly see the superior technology of tesla. But it'll be exciting when they roll these tech into the Model Y/3.

You are mixing stuff up.

What Benz/Audi/BMW has been using 48v for are for their electrical starter and any high-draw components. Their entire electrical system architecture for everything else is still run on 12v and same applies to their EV. As far as I'm aware, all legacy carmakers still run their electrical system on 12v.

The 800v on Hyundai is the high voltage system that the drivetrain system is designed. It's still 12v architecture for its electricals.

[SkinnyPupp]

Is it true this thing has no crumple zones?

https://twitter.com/AIDRIVR/status/1730329405568995335

[Hehe]

Is it true this thing has no crumple zones?

https://twitter.com/AIDRIVR/status/1730329405568995335

Not sure what you meant. The front portion in the video you posted clearly shows that it "crumpled" upon impact.

[SkinnyPupp]

Not sure what you meant. The front portion in the video you posted clearly shows that it "crumpled" upon impact.
like the first 8 inches lol

That 35 mph crash looks like a 50 mph crash from a normal car made after 1990

I'm no expert though, maybe all the changes to car design in the last 30 years were never needed.

[Hehe]

like the first 8 inches lol

That 35 mph crash looks like a 50 mph crash from a normal car made after 1990

I'm no expert though, maybe all the changes to car design in the last 30 years were never needed.

Side by side with F150 Lightning

https://x.com/AIDRIVR/status/1730651572349304845?s=20

[SkinnyPupp]

Side by side with F150 Lightning

https://x.com/AIDRIVR/status/1730651572349304845?s=20
Yeah RIP that driver's neck KEKW

Thanks for finding this, confirmed it perfectly because you can see the CyberTruck hits like.. a truck.. from the 1950's. The other one takes a lot of the impact and spreads it through the larger crumple zone, suspension, and the cab sits further back.

But if it passed standards, I guess it's all good. Road legal

[underscore]

Is it true this thing has no crumple zones?

https://twitter.com/AIDRIVR/status/1730329405568995335

Watch the rear wheel in that first test. Wtf is going on there that the rear suspension breaks in a front end hit?

[68style]

I think that's likely just the play in the rear wheel steering

[mikemhg]

I've watched some more videos on the truck, I won't lie, it's pretty fucking cool.

It has such a polarizing look that makes it so appealing, the tech is impressive as well.

Feels like it would be a nightmare as a daily driver though, and as other's have said, RIP if you get hit by one.

I feel like you'll be seeing a lot of these causing chaos being driven by Persian wives out in WV :lol

[JDMDreams]

Well given the weekly no risk to public shootings the harden steel and glass sure comes in handy :troll:

[Hondaracer]

MKBHd did a full review here, I still don’t know how to embed videos.. great total overview of the truck, he goes into depth about that rim cover

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XxOh12Uhg08&pp=ygUFbWtiaGQ%3D

[Hehe]

I've watched all the big reviews on YT, I think this one is the best in term of technical+entertainment balance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6WDq0V5oBg

[Badhobz]

Super interesting. Really gotta applaud those engineers for doing this and doing it within the limitations of having that batshit crazy Elon looking over your shoulder.

I can’t believe they threw everything out just because Elon said the initial one was too big. 5% reduction doesn’t sound that big but to reengineer the car is insane. Seriously a lot of really hard work went into this thing.

I still wouldn’t buy it but that’s okay. It’ll bring up the entire industry and hopefully force traditional automakers to innovate.

[twitchyzero]

i think that part was exaggerated?

because in the podcast btw jason and derek mentioned it was a rapid 3 months from idea to what was shown in 2019

but the engineers were constricted to that form and materials

though back then a lot of comments were 'it's not possible without mirrors and big crash bumper, the real thing will look nothing like this etc' appears to have been defied

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H6W_IZ_MH8

[supafamous]

This was never designed to appeal to the truck owner's market. I see it as more of an engineering exercise/halo product, and caters to the "lifestyle/baller" crowd (like the Rivian, Raptor, or TRX). I can appreciate the engineering that went into it, but that's it.


For what is largely a testbed of new technology (DBW steering and 48v electrical arch) it seems like a huge waste of money to do it this way - just build a new Model S instead. And neither DBW steering and 48v arch are THAT hard to do - it's about commitment and resources.

The truck itself seems pretty useless as a truck - a Rivian is far more practical for the outdoorsy folks, a TRX/Raptor is far more capable as an off roader, a F150/RAM EV is far better for work purposes. This is just a wank job like the Hummer - it serves no purpose for what it is.

Oh and it's the ugliest thing on the road now. It's like what would happen if a M2 were a truck but worse.

[Acura604]

Screw it.. i want the Y' Cyber Edition -

https://i.imgur.com/hLCES8i.jpg

[JDMDreams]

So you like balls in your mouth too:joy::troll:

[tegra7]

India’s version of truck nuts.

[punkwax]

I think it’s pretty damn cool that he turned his son’s curiousity into an actual product.

A+ for dadding.

[JDMDreams]

+1 for man child, I think it satisfies my inner man child too that's why I'm so drawn to it. Like this is something you would draw as a 5 year old kid and he actually ended up to be the world's richest man to make things happen. BYD but he actually built his dreams.

At least it didn't end to like this

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f0/04/ff/f004ff819033993ce90ea2200bdf7d4e.jpg

[Manic!]

For what is largely a testbed of new technology (DBW steering and 48v electrical arch) it seems like a huge waste of money to do it this way - just build a new Model S instead. And neither DBW steering and 48v arch are THAT hard to do - it's about commitment and resources.

The truck itself seems pretty useless as a truck - a Rivian is far more practical for the outdoorsy folks, a TRX/Raptor is far more capable as an off roader, a F150/RAM EV is far better for work purposes. This is just a wank job like the Hummer - it serves no purpose for what it is.

Oh and it's the ugliest thing on the road now. It's like what would happen if a M2 were a truck but worse.

So you are saying you need to buy 3 trucks?

[noclue]

For what is largely a testbed of new technology (DBW steering and 48v electrical arch) it seems like a huge waste of money to do it this way - just build a new Model S instead. And neither DBW steering and 48v arch are THAT hard to do - it's about commitment and resources.

The truck itself seems pretty useless as a truck - a Rivian is far more practical for the outdoorsy folks, a TRX/Raptor is far more capable as an off roader, a F150/RAM EV is far better for work purposes. This is just a wank job like the Hummer - it serves no purpose for what it is.

Oh and it's the ugliest thing on the road now. It's like what would happen if a M2 were a truck but worse.

Yeah they should've made a van, it would've been a hit and reach a wider market. Commercial, shuttles, vanlife etc

[mikemhg]

I've watched all the big reviews on YT, I think this one is the best in term of technical+entertainment balance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6WDq0V5oBg

I have no doubt you watched them all, and maybe a few times over :lol

[teggy604]

I think the next progression should be Cybertruck with solar panels. They have the styling for it.

[Manic!]

I think the next progression should be Cybertruck with solar panels. They have the styling for it.

Could be bs but a few sites have reported this. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.torquenews.com/11826/tesla-confirms-cybertruck-solar-panel-cover-according-elon-musk-can-generate-15-miles-day/amp

Tesla Confirms a Cybertruck Solar Panel Cover That According to Elon Musk “Can Generate 15 Miles Per Day” Will be Offered as an Accessory

[noclue]

Since they tout the cybertruck as bulletproof, do you need a permit to drive this?

[whitev70r]

^ great, local gangsters be buying these as their fleet cars.

[Badhobz]

i dont know man, its a bit too attention-grabbing at this moment. it'll have to do volumes similar to the 3 and the Y in order to blend in and become commonplace enough so that cops cant easily track and identify the vehicle

if i was a gangster the last thing i want is something that stand out-ish.

[underscore]

I'm assuming unless it's NIJ certified with an actual classification it's not officially considered bulletproof/armoured so you wouldn't need a permit?

On an unrelated note I found this picture of a bulletproof Lambo being tested, I can't imagine how cramped that thing must be after the armour is added.

https://lh7-us.googleusercontent.com/jsIn-Oz8gw8AsDga9fobBALiLxzLjsWc_jFzZEtnB39QEWTdau4zSd6 9PXAoheJVf1l2-U1A4TdSpZufcj70F8Uq4FAEWlGtFnSezyqZzDIrpDFsRA6UfA-pPZmM4AE0-SVmoaJE3MAm3Lu4W2hGbDQ

[radeonboy]

IIRC Jason in the Hagerty podcast said the glass is not bulletproof, so you're still susceptible to point-blank attacks.

[teggy604]

Cybertruck = Cyber attack. Who needs guns anyways. lol.

[tegra7]

^ great, local gangsters be buying these as their fleet cars.

Gangsters don’t drive Tesla’s..they come with too many cameras installed in them.

[Manic!]

Gangsters don’t drive Tesla’s..they come with too many cameras installed in them.

But they are good for sneaking up on mother fuckers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8mjIcTqLTk


Lambo Urus vs Cyber truck 1/4 mile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl-wz50yAHo

[68style]

Did they need to do that race? It’s obvious which one will win.

I know which one I’d rather hear and be seen in/look at in my driveway though lol

[teggy604]

1/4 mile racing with these cars are so boring. I rather watch paint dry on the wall. lol.

[68style]

The main presenter's reaction in the car during the "race" said it best... a weak "Woohoo... okay... hmmm... yah..."

Pretty much sums it up.

[Dbone]

That carwow guy is such a "wanker". I don't know who irritates me more, him or Doug Demuro.

I can't be the only one who feels this way.

[EvoFire]

I dislike the carwow guy, I almost never watch his stuff.

[Manic!]

Did they need to do that race? It’s obvious which one will win.

I know which one I’d rather hear and be seen in/look at in my driveway though lol

The lambo is just a glorified Audi and looks like every other SUV. They Cybertruck on the other hand will stand out anywhere you go. If you want to show off the cybertruck is the way to go.


When I was growing up the import scene was all about drag racing in North America.

[radeonboy]

That carwow guy is such a "wanker". I don't know who irritates me more, him or Doug Demuro.

I can't be the only one who feels this way.

I dislike the carwow guy, I almost never watch his stuff.

That's a result of him being a YouTube personality and adapting to appease the audience/algorithm. I still remember when he first appeared as a CarBuyer reviewer on YouTube when video car reviews were still in their heyday - he was a lot more toned down back then. See this review is from August 2010 as an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvlroEvrFZY

He's come a long way and I respect him for staying relevant after all these years in the business. I also agree that it's no longer the kind of car content I enjoy on YouTube.

[68style]

The lambo is just a glorified Audi and looks like every other SUV. They Cybertruck on the other hand will stand out anywhere you go. If you want to show off the cybertruck is the way to go.


When I was growing up the import scene was all about drag racing in North America.

Dude you're drinking that kool-aid so hard... cybertruck isn't showing off, it's just getting noticed for being fuckin ugly and new. Maybe if you're some new money wanna-be then yah that's getting noticed I guess.

At least the Lambo has class and it does not look like every other SUV on the road. I don't even like SUV's in any way, but it's certainly got its own look.

It's true that drag racing is a cool scene, but putting a pedal to the floor and waiting isn't drag racing. What's racing about planting your foot? Are you shifting gears? Are you slipping a clutch trying to launch in a happy spot between grip and putting power down?
Is there any skill or driver's edge involved whatsoever?

I mean, you bought a GR Corolla for a reason. Would you trade it for a Model 3 because the Model 3 can do a faster 1/4 mile while you yawn and look at your wristwatch?

[underscore]

I agree with everything except for the looks of the Lambo. The Urinal is pretty ugly and I genuinely can't understand the mindset needed to buy one. Like I can't imagine telling friends about my new Lamborghini and when they see it it's just an SUV.

[radeonboy]

One of my aunties ordered a Urus when it came out. Her reasoning was:
- has to be European and didn't want to get a model she's had before
- already owned a X5
- already owned a ML / GLE
- already owned a Cayenne
- was driving the Levante that she vocally hated
- Bentayga / Range Rover is too old-person for her taste and not cool

So she went with the Urus.

[Manic!]

Dude you're drinking that kool-aid so hard... cybertruck isn't showing off, it's just getting noticed for being fuckin ugly and new. Maybe if you're some new money wanna-be then yah that's getting noticed I guess.

At least the Lambo has class and it does not look like every other SUV on the road. I don't even like SUV's in any way, but it's certainly got its own look.

It's true that drag racing is a cool scene, but putting a pedal to the floor and waiting isn't drag racing. What's racing about planting your foot? Are you shifting gears? Are you slipping a clutch trying to launch in a happy spot between grip and putting power down?
Is there any skill or driver's edge involved whatsoever?

I mean, you bought a GR Corolla for a reason. Would you trade it for a Model 3 because the Model 3 can do a faster 1/4 mile while you yawn and look at your wristwatch?


I own 2 manual cars for a reason. Most people who buy supercars and high-end SUV's do it to show off. Most Lambo's will never see any track time. Some people consider cars art and art is supposed to be controversial. You park a cybertruck next to any vehicle and the cybertruck will steal the show.

[68style]

Cuz it's new and for the wrong reasons.

It ain't gonna age well... do that a year from now and it will just attract middle fingers and contemptuous eyerolls. The types of people who buy it are going to ruin the image of it.

[JDMDreams]

Sounds like China hobz Aunt. Cullinan? FeelsBadMan


One of my aunties ordered a Urus when it came out. Her reasoning was:
- has to be European and didn't want to get a model she's had before
- already owned a X5
- already owned a ML / GLE
- already owned a Cayenne
- was driving the Levante that she vocally hated
- Bentayga / Range Rover is too old-person for her taste and not cool

So she went with the Urus.

[Harvey Specter]

Guys, you're hurting my feelings...I loved my Urus FeelsBadMan


https://i.ibb.co/LkH3YBv/v1.jpg

[JDMDreams]

You mean Audi, or really VW :troll:FeelsBadMan

[Manic!]

Cuz it's new and for the wrong reasons.

It ain't gonna age well... do that a year from now and it will just attract middle fingers and contemptuous eyerolls. The types of people who buy it are going to ruin the image of it.

Rumour is they are building other cars based on the same design/manufacturing process. Including the buget car they have been working on.

[68style]

Well.. I mean I hope so, they aren't gonna make any money off this thing in the volumes they'll be able to produce / number of customers who will actually buy it for the price being asked ($150 deposit is meaningless).

It should have always been intended as a platform share of some sort!

[JDMDreams]

Well of course they will use this to develop test new tech, which will eventually trickle to all other models.

[Manic!]

Well.. I mean I hope so, they aren't gonna make any money off this thing in the volumes they'll be able to produce / number of customers who will actually buy it for the price being asked ($150 deposit is meaningless).

It should have always been intended as a platform share of some sort!

They will be making 250K units a year. I think they will sell a ton of them but that's just my guess. They have a 1000 limited edition fully loaded ones right now that they are selling for 120K US.

[68style]

How many people in todays' economy you think have $80k USD *base price* hanging around to buy an electric truck with?

They are not going to make 250,000 of these a year. Which, I will give credit where credit is due, is at least WAY down from the 400,000 Elon said last month lol

Feel free to circle back to this post if it ever happens and mock me gratuitously.

[Manic!]

How many people in todays' economy you think have $80k USD *base price* hanging around to buy an electric truck with?

They are not going to make 250,000 of these a year. Which, I will give credit where credit is due, is at least WAY down from the 400,000 Elon said last month lol

Feel free to circle back to this post if it ever happens and mock me gratuitously.

The single motor is less and Tesla prices do change over time.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/tesla-model-3-base-price-history-7-png.929797/

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/attachments/tesla-model-y-base-price-history-8-png.929796/

[68style]

Dude the single motor isn't even available until at least 2025......... and who the heck wants a 2WD truck for $62k USD???

Knowing Elon's accuracy for anything numbers related..........................

[underscore]

Oh I'm sure somebody will buy them. I wonder how long until the first offroad recovery callout for a 6600lb 2WD truck.

[JDMDreams]

Actually for the smart Americans they might, according to their numbers their economy is doing much better than us, since they have 30y mortgage literally no one is worried about their mortgage unless they just bought or is maturing soon. Also their money is worth at least 30% more than ours so they can ball out up here. Somehow the tables have still turnt.

[sonick]

Spotted an urus

https://www.facebook.com/groups/richmondlearnstoparkanddrive/permalink/1616562812506380/?ref=share&mibextid=NOb6eG

[Badhobz]

The lambo is just a glorified Audi and looks like every other SUV. They Cybertruck on the other hand will stand out anywhere you go. If you want to show off the cybertruck is the way to go.


When I was growing up the import scene was all about drag racing in North America.

woah woah woah, you did not just compare this moving refrigeration unit to a lambo. In the days of EV's when a fantuan/uber eats model 3 dusts most sports cars from the past 20-30 years, 0-60 doesnt matter anymore.

First of all, does your fridge reak of prostitutes and cocaine? NO!? then youre not in the league of lambro's

Secondly, does your mere rolling presence economically dominate those around you? NO!? then youre not a lambro

Thirdly, and most importantly, does it catch fire.... uhhh yeah okay, you might have a point there

[Hondaracer]

Outside of Harvey, Urus drivers are 98% the same person every single time I see one

[68style]

I mostly see frightened ghost white asian girls driving them... but that's because I live in Richmond.

[hud 91gt]

I’ve only ever seen an Asian chick drive one. Lol

[teggy604]

you might as well add G wagon to that list.

[JDMDreams]

Liberty walk time :notbad:

https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/393119336_18403773205044481_5404653694690988142_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=3635dc&_nc_ohc=1vre7ZI15TEAX-92E9v&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&oh=00_AfAm1d5Tu3g6aX0TaWGTGZ50xEk-n9dokbCuwdZqOHVQ3w&oe=6576DCB1

[sonick]

actually looks way better lowered as an open wagon than a truck lol. Tesla El Camino

[underscore]

I mostly see frightened ghost white asian girls driving them... but that's because I live in Richmond.

isn't that the case for basically all traffic in Richmond?

[68style]

Well, sometimes I'm driving... but I guess I am pretty white. And frightened (for different reasons).

[JDMDreams]

You know what I just realized, it looks like a countach pick up truck, that angular wedge design.
https://images.drive.com.au/driveau/image/upload/c_fill,f_auto,g_auto,h_2160,q_auto:eco,w_3840/v1/cms/uploads/btbn7trldivvrg0i6kkh

[Dbone]

How very dare you!

Elon is a visionary! He's breaking new ground here, not recycling 50 year old designs that predate our understanding of aerodynamics!

[whitev70r]

actually looks way better lowered as an open wagon than a truck lol. Tesla El Camino

From the rear, it has that Cadillac CTV Wagon vibe to it.

[Manic!]

How very dare you!

Elon is a visionary! He's breaking new ground here, not recycling 50 year old designs that predate our understanding of aerodynamics!

Every pickup truck in the last 30 years has looked the same except for the grill. Every time a new car is released someone always says it looks like some other car.

[Manic!]

Jay Leno driving. One.

https://twitter.com/BLKMDL3/status/1732493885207904716?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1732493885207904716%7Ctwgr% 5E058d6db9d4b704395b8704148a6989b91a61f318%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-38762818273862049362.ampproject.net%2F231121220200 0%2Fframe.html

[inv4zn]

Lol I realize most cars have unflattering angles but this this is lol
https://i.ibb.co/hR3wFT8/FB-IMG-1702010246035.jpg

[Manic!]

Lol I realize most cars have unflattering angles but this this is lol
https://i.ibb.co/hR3wFT8/FB-IMG-1702010246035.jpg


The launch edition is $120k and I garrentee you could sell that for 200k plus right now. Tesla has removed the no sale clause.

[MarkyMark]

They probably removed the no sale clause because they realized half their buyers would disappear if they went through with it lol.

I'm curious on what the insurance rates will be for this thing here

[68style]

The launch edition is $120k and I garrentee you could sell that for 200k plus right now. Tesla has removed the no sale clause.

THAT'S what you took from this meme? lol

[mikemhg]

THAT'S what you took from this meme? lol

An attack on Tesla is a personal attack on Manic/Hehe, it's all very weird when people assign their identity to a brand or person.

Speaking to that meme, that's the thing with vehicles that are as polarizing in appearance as this one.

This car can very quickly go from being "cool" to being a bit of a laughing stock/joke, like the Aztek, for example.

[Badhobz]

Don’t forget about the Tesla Mormon Koflach who would gladly knock on doors promoting the greatness of Elon

[teggy604]

200K+ for a Cybertruck? I am sure someone on RS has an order for one. Let us know if you end up selling it for that price.

[68style]

Someone in CANADA getting one? LOL yah right... you can only get one of the first 1,000 if you're in Cali or Texas and put up $120k USD right now for it.

Nobody up here will be getting one at MSRP from a Tesla dealer until late 2024 at best.

[Manic!]

200K+ for a Cybertruck? I am sure someone on RS has an order for one. Let us know if you end up selling it for that price.

200k min. One was already was auctioned off for 400K and that was only be one of the first to get one. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45485974/2024-tesla-cybertruck-auction/

Right now there is an arms race to be the first youtuber to get one of these. The amount of content you could make with one is endless. if you are a small time youtuber this would blow up your channel over night. You would have a monopoly on Cybertruck content. Some Idea's.

I bought a Cybertruck
Going to get a Cybertruck
Cybertruck first impressions
Driving my Cybertruck back home.
Friends and family first impressions.
Giving strangers a ride in my Cybertruck
Offroading in the Cybertruck
Rock crawling in the Cybertruck
Getting ready to dragrace the Cybertruck
Racing a (name your car)
Putting rims on a Cybertruck
Wrapping a Cybertruck
Modding the Cybertruck for camping
Living in the Cybertruck for x amount of days
Tug of war with a Ford whaterver

the list goes on. Also aftermarket companies would be throwing parts/money at you.

[68style]

You sound excited, but your post just makes me think our society has severely fucked up priorities.

[twitchyzero]

tesla diehards like hehe maniac seems to have done very well for themselves

as much as i want to laugh at that post maybe they know a lot of things i dont lol

[SkinnyPupp]

You sound excited, but your post just makes me think our society has severely fucked up priorities.
It appeals to the lowest form of lizard brained greed that exists in us, which usually stays suppressed, but sometimes comes out. We're seeing it a lot in this thread.

A design like this couldn't exist without this kind of audaciousness. It HAS to be a meme; otherwise it would be just another vehicle

It's basically an NFT on wheels LUL

[GS8]

Lol I realize most cars have unflattering angles but this this is lol
https://i.ibb.co/hR3wFT8/FB-IMG-1702010246035.jpg

The most poetic thing about this photo is the 'No U-turn sign"

Cuts deep :tears:

[Manic!]

You sound excited, but your post just makes me think our society has severely fucked up priorities.

You got people making 10's of millions for streaming themselves playing video games. That's the world we live in.

[SkinnyPupp]

Liberty walk time :notbad:

https://scontent.fyvr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/393119336_18403773205044481_5404653694690988142_n. jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=3635dc&_nc_ohc=1vre7ZI15TEAX-92E9v&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr4-1.fna&oh=00_AfAm1d5Tu3g6aX0TaWGTGZ50xEk-n9dokbCuwdZqOHVQ3w&oe=6576DCB1
Oh look, by adding just a few panels WITH SOME CURVES ON THEM it looks 300X better

[Badhobz]

You got people making 10's of millions for streaming themselves playing video games. That's the world we live in.

Doesn’t mean it’s right. People are idiots. Stop supporting idiots

[TOS'd]

https://twitter.com/teslaownersSV/status/1733152049741856918

[Manic!]

Doesn’t mean it’s right. People are idiots. Stop supporting idiots

You sound old.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/044/247/297.png

[Badhobz]

I’m waiting for my bag and this reminded me of you manic. It’s good to be home
https://i.postimg.cc/g0c7NjkV/IMG-2577.jpg

I want some mango rasmalai now

[Manic!]

I’m waiting for my bag and this reminded me of you manic. It’s good to be home
https://i.postimg.cc/g0c7NjkV/IMG-2577.jpg

I want some mango rasmalai now

That's Diljit. He is doing a show at BC Place Next year. Just did a song with Sia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jADTdg-o8i0

[Badhobz]

I thought he was just some Rando buddy guy

But I’ve been listening to this damn song on repeat ever since I heard it at an Indian restaurant. No idea what the fuck he’s singing but whatever, it’s catchy

https://youtu.be/p45xC9_B_A4?si=hXR5PvS68iLGgvlI

[supafamous]

https://jalopnik.com/worlds-richest-man-elon-musk-is-fighting-to-avoid-child-1851082868

Don't know where the "Elon is a shit human, here's more evidence" links go

[Manic!]

https://jalopnik.com/worlds-richest-man-elon-musk-is-fighting-to-avoid-child-1851082868

Don't know where the "Elon is a shit human, here's more evidence" links go

He is 100% a piece of shit. I believe for this kid and the twins that where born the same month he was just a sperm donor. Image being the richest guy in the world and still had problems getting laid.

[Dbone]

The whole "sperm donor" thing is like "living with her best girl friend for 30 years" of the boomer gen. Obviously this dude is fucking his staff, and everyone else. Didn't he buy one of his staffers a horse for a BJ at one point?

This is also the whole reason Bill Gates had to step down, and ultimately from what I've read why his wife left him once the kids grew up.

No doubt you guys saw this on reddit as well, but:

https://citroenvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Was-Teslas-Brutalist-Cybertruck-Inspired-by-Citroen.jpg

https://citroenvie.com/was-teslas-brutalist-cybertruck-inspired-by-citroen/

[Manic!]

I have seen a few people in the states pass up on buying the launch edition for 120K. If you could somehow could bring one to BC. You could make a lot of money.

I can guarantee you could get someone to pay 10k to 15K to have it in there music video. Tons of Punjabi music video's are made in BC. For a one day shoot it costs between 5K to 15K. Being the first to have a cybertruck in your video would get you a million plus vies form people who don't even listen to Punjabi music. A model X rents for over a grand a day. A Cybertruck could get 2k to 3k a day for the the first 4 or 5 months.

https://turo.com/ca/en/suv-rental/canada/richmond-bc/tesla/model-x/1659646?endDate=12%2F14%2F2023&endTime=10%3A00&searchId=TdGurpmt&startDate=12%2F11%2F2023&startTime=10%3A00

[Harvey Specter]

I don't think much of Elon because in my opinion he's all smoke and mirrors and I see him as the greatest con man to ever live. He claims Tesla was his vision but he joined the Tesla board after its founding and so he's not the visionary he claims to be. He, or should I say his smart CFO, used Tesla to secure a massive government loan back in 2009 or maybe it was 2010 and pushed for the Dems for EV subsidies to boost Tesla's growth. And guess who gave him the millions? Obama and the Democrats because no Republican back in 2009 would have allocated millions to push EV technology. Now, he rumbles on about the Democrats like they're the worst thing that ever happen to America. Hilarious.

Similar story with SpaceX, he utilized it to obtain lucrative government contracts.

[jaaagman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG-k6iSVx68

[Koflach]

Don’t forget about the Tesla Mormon Koflach who would gladly knock on doors promoting the greatness of Elon

What are you smoking you moron? When have I once touted the brilliance of Elon Musk here? Unlike you, I am able to separate the owner of the company and the car.

[mikemhg]

Fight fight fight!

[is350]

Koflach is definitely up there with manic and hehe, how dare you ppl forget about him?

[underscore]

Fight fight fight!

lmk which KFC it's at, I wanna get there early and grab some popcorn chicken.

[68style]

I like the audacity of calling RS's biggest baller, nicest guy and Stanford grad a moron lolol

That's so Tesla.

[Badhobz]

not grad, a dropout!

but to Koflach's credit, he didn't actually promote Elon, just Tesla. I was just ragging on him for being such a diehard Tesla fantatic (kinda touched a nerve there....)

well id be a pissy little bitch too if i had to drive 100km a day (most passive-aggressive comment ever)

[bcrdukes]

lol you suck badhobz

[Harvey Specter]

It's very interesting to see foundation edition invites going up for sale on eBay for only a few thousand dollars. I thought the early CT's would be commanding huge overs.

[Hehe]

It's very interesting to see foundation edition invites going up for sale on eBay for only a few thousand dollars. I thought the early CT's would be commanding huge overs.

The problem is that there's no guarantee that Tesla would deliver if it wasn't the original reservation holder. And yes, the Foundation edition does carry a clause where you can't flip.

If there's any way to guarantee Tesla would deliver the car, people would jump. I mean, I know I would. A few grand is peanuts on what you could potentially make as the first privately-owned Cybertruck in Canada.

I am sure I can put it on Turo for 1k a day and it would rent >70% of time until it becomes available in Canada. I'd probably have made the purchase price back before that.

[Manic!]

The problem is that there's no guarantee that Tesla would deliver if it wasn't the original reservation holder. And yes, the Foundation edition does carry a clause where you can't flip.

If there's any way to guarantee Tesla would deliver the car, people would jump. I mean, I know I would. A few grand is peanuts on what you could potentially make as the first privately-owned Cybertruck in Canada.

I am sure I can put it on Turo for 1k a day and it would rent >70% of time until it becomes available in Canada. I'd probably have made the purchase price back before that.

I would pay 10k over for one if I could get it into Canada. A model x rents for over a grand on Turo. The Cyber truck could get 2k to 3K a day.

[Koflach]

To say i'm a die hard Tesla fanatic is a little complicated. I think Tesla makes the best overall EV on the market mostly because of the software and charging network. By no means do they make the best car though. The actual cars (not accounting for software/charging) are average car at best (the seats are not very comfortable, BMW makes way nicer ones) but the rest of the experience in owning one pushes it to the top for EV's in my opinion. I will also say that the buying experience, for me at least, was the best i've had when buying any car i've ever purchased. I loved not having to deal with a salesperson.

My wife's id4 is way nicer in terms of build quality and comfort but the software just ruins the rest of the car. She has owned it for 1.5 years and has yet to get a software update to fix the issues that it has. Supposedly it can do ota updates but we will see later this month when she takes it in for some preventative maintenance.

That said, i've said here on numerous occasions that i'd buy a rivian R1S if it had the tesla plug and was smaller/cheaper.

[twitchyzero]

unless it's changed here, you can't turo a vehicle worth over 80k

soon people will use these in porn and rap videos lol

[Dbone]

My I4 had an OTA update the day I picked it up. I haven't noticed a single fault in the two weeks I've had it.

I realize it's not that long, but I'd be interested in knowing what faults your wife is seeing.

Aside from the rear seats being too narrow for the boosters I own, I am loving this thing. I think the way they handle the power 'requests' has been very well calibrated. I don't notice the traction control preventing it from spinning the wheels, or the switch over to regen as I lift on a decline. It's very well manged.

[Hehe]

I would pay 10k over for one if I could get it into Canada. A model x rents for over a grand on Turo. The Cyber truck could get 2k to 3K a day.

I was actually thinking of getting one of the reservation from fleebay for around 2k to have it delivered to my brother who lives in Teslaland (Fremont, CA) and just drive it up for the time being until we can officially import one (it's not yet on the admissible list). But it's hard to have any seller to commit that they would assist all the way to make sure Tesla delivers it.

[Badhobz]

who would pay 1 grand a day to rent a friggin car!? thats insane to me.

[Manic!]

who would pay 1 grand a day to rent a friggin car!? thats insane to me.

Could be the same people pay over grand for these.

https://cdn-images.farfetch-contents.com/17/73/16/65/17731665_37827946_600.jpg

That Model X I posted has been rented 26 times on Turo for over a grand.

Acoroding to this a Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce was rented for $7500 for a music video and that was in 2017.

https://www.revscene.net/forums/714203-singhs-exotic-car-rentals.html

[Badhobz]

yeah but in this case you get a pair of chinese communist party approved shoes. what do you get for renting a model x for 1 day? have the prestige of doing uber eats delivery!?

[teggy604]

Could be the same people pay over grand for these.

https://cdn-images.farfetch-contents.com/17/73/16/65/17731665_37827946_600.jpg

That Model X I posted has been rented 26 times on Turo for over a grand.

Acoroding to this a Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce was rented for $7500 for a music video and that was in 2017.

https://www.revscene.net/forums/714203-singhs-exotic-car-rentals.html


If they can afford those shoes, they would already have one on order and just wait. All the mean time DD their Model X or Gwagon. lol. Doubt they would need or care to rent.

[Harvey Specter]

The risk with renting this thing is someone will go beast mode and wrap it around a pole.

It'll be interesting to see if ICBC adds the Cybertruck to the special risk own damage policy. It's an easy process will add thousands to the basic insurance.

[Manic!]

If they can afford those shoes, they would already have one on order and just wait. All the mean time DD their Model X or Gwagon. lol. Doubt they would need or care to rent.

People like to show off. A G wagon is a dime a dozen. People spend 100K plus on weddings. What's another 3k to have a vehicle at your wedding that no one has seen in person?


The risk with renting this thing is someone will go beast mode and wrap it around a pole.

It'll be interesting to see if ICBC adds the Cybertruck to the special risk own damage policy. It's an easy process will add thousands to the basic insurance.


You can set the max speed on a Tesla and you can see how fast someone is driving on your phone. I took my dad's Model X for a test drive and when I came back he was not looking too happy.

[Badhobz]

wat? you want flashy at wedding and youre gonna rent a fantuan / uber eats car?

maybe the cybertruck for novelty but i dont think any bride wants to be seen getting in and out of a pickup truck unless its one of THOSE weddings.

[bcrdukes]

Worst Wedding. Ever.

[Manic!]

wat? you want flashy at wedding and youre gonna rent a fantuan / uber eats car?

maybe the cybertruck for novelty but i dont think any bride wants to be seen getting in and out of a pickup truck unless its one of THOSE weddings.

In a Sikh wedding, the bride and family are already at the temple. The groom's family rolls up to the temple. What better way to roll up than in a vehicle no one else has?

[Hakkaboy]

In a Sikh wedding, the bride and family are already at the temple. The groom's family rolls up to the temple. What better way to roll up than in a vehicle no one else has?

maybe roll up in something that's not ugly?

[68style]

OMG nothing like focusing on the important stuff in life!!

"So, at our son's wedding... you know... HIS big day not ours... we drove up in a car nobody else had! BLEW EVERYONE'S MIND! Pretty sure they're still going to be talking about what we rolled up in 10 year from now!"

[Manic!]

maybe roll up in something that's not ugly?

Like a horse? Some people from another wedding had given the horse something containing weed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOyx1zx-s4A

Surrey B.C.

I have seen all types of shit. Including a helicopter at a wedding reception and the Rolls from this Drake video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RubBzkZzpUA

[68style]

I was at one of these weddings when the bride and groom rode in on a horse and the parents rented an entire estate and rolled up in a 1920's Rolls Royce they rented.

They got divorced within 2 years :pokerface:

All that pomp and showy $$$ down the drain for nada lol

[Koflach]

My I4 had an OTA update the day I picked it up. I haven't noticed a single fault in the two weeks I've had it.

I realize it's not that long, but I'd be interested in knowing what faults your wife is seeing.

Aside from the rear seats being too narrow for the boosters I own, I am loving this thing. I think the way they handle the power 'requests' has been very well calibrated. I don't notice the traction control preventing it from spinning the wheels, or the switch over to regen as I lift on a decline. It's very well manged.

Other than the doors not unlocking sometimes she mostly complains about the software not working properly all the time. The one thing she mentioned recently was that the screen randomly turns off at times. Other quality of life improvements that we would like to see change is the welcome screen when you turn on the vehicle, it should go away on its own. The reverse camera should turn off when you shift into drive. They need to update the map with something better as it looks like it's out of an 15 year old Honda.
The menus and the overall interface are not very intuitive. Those are the only ones I can think of but there's more.

[Badhobz]

Does Sikh weddings involve cunty ass mother in laws bitching about shit ? Cuz that’s like every single Chinese wedding.

Plus it’s uncouth to steal the limelight from the bride and groom with your audacious refrigerator like stylez kindly alluded to.

[punkwax]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rEt2KGmZfCA

[Gumby]

Does Sikh weddings involve cunty ass mother in laws bitching about shit ? Cuz that’s like every single Chinese wedding.

Plus it’s uncouth to steal the limelight from the bride and groom with your audacious refrigerator like stylez kindly alluded to.
If Manic! was getting married, I think he would want to show up in a Cybertruck.

[Harvey Specter]

I was at one of these weddings when the bride and groom rode in on a horse and the parents rented an entire estate and rolled up in a 1920's Rolls Royce they rented.

They got divorced within 2 years :pokerface:

All that pomp and showy $$$ down the drain for nada lol

This is common lol. My uncle literally mortgaged his house to pay for my cousins wedding, he got divorced 3 months later.

[bcrdukes]

Damn, son. :pokerface:

[Hondaracer]

Imagine how fucking embarrassing it would be to have some big flashy wedding where you thought a fucking cybertruck was going to be a feature only to get divorced shortly after lol fuck

IMO the only Tesla that looks even remotely stylish is Model S plaid, it actually looks like a well designed sports car, while I wouldn’t ever put it on the same as scale as any Porsche etc. it has very attractive lines and I really like the look

https://i.imgur.com/cgP5aPR.jpg

Every other vehicle Tesla has designed is just meh to downright ugly. Model 3 looks like an AI created Budget sedan, and the X, while higher end models look OK with nicer rims and trim, Low end/older
Models look like 90’s mini vans.

[Badhobz]

even this is getting lame because it's been more or less the same shape since its inception. Although i agree it is the best looking one out of the bunch of uglies.

[EvoFire]

^ Only interesting bit is the colour matched license plate holder.

[SkinnyPupp]

Don't trick yourself into treating a car like an investment unless you want to own a fleet and rent them all out. Buy it for yourself

[Manic!]

If Manic! was getting married, I think he would want to show up in a Cybertruck.

Family would bring a fleet.

[JDMDreams]

Where the hell did they get a horse at a random park. I'm surprised it didn't run off and get hit by a car

[Manic!]

Where the hell did they get a horse at a random park. I'm surprised it didn't run off and get hit by a car

They rent them for weddings.

[Harvey Specter]

I read on X that Tesla is now requesting a $1000 non-refundable deposit if you're selected for an allocation. They should have implemented this months ago to weed out people who put down $100 just for the sake of it.

https://i.postimg.cc/qqcX1JBn/12112.png

[carsncars]

I read on X that Tesla is now requesting a $1000 non-refundable deposit if you're selected for an allocation. They should have implemented this months ago to weed out people who put down $100 just for the sake of it.


Why would they want to weed that out early though - instead of hyping "1.9M preorders", the focus would be on however many of those actually convert to the nonrefundable deposit, which I'm guessing is gonna be well below 25%.

[JDMDreams]

Even 25% is still 500,000 which will take them a few years to make. What other car released lately has that much demand? Type r, gr Corolla? Supra? I bet that's more than how many rav 4 primes will ever be made.

[68style]

Family would bring a fleet.

Are we all invited?

[GS8]

Reminds me of my cousin who got engaged in the late 80s. My family went through the whole pre-marriage / marriage shite that we're apparently supposed to do. This was weeks worth of traditions the bride-to-be would partake in up until the actual wedding itself.

The wedding itself was massive. My dad got so drunk, he had to pull over to vomit in a storm drain.

Anyway, 3 months after all this, the groom disappeared once he got his visa :whistle: :lol

[underscore]

Why would they want to weed that out early though - instead of hyping "1.9M preorders", the focus would be on however many of those actually convert to the nonrefundable deposit, which I'm guessing is gonna be well below 25%.

Also why wouldn't they want to hold onto free $100 loans as long as they can? The longer they have it the more likely it is that the person will die or forget about it and then it's not even a loan, it's just free money.

[Badhobz]

brown weddings are a lot of fun. last time i went to one at the Sikh temple off 5 road and it was a blast. they really go all out on the festivities.

[MarkyMark]

Yeah it's usually fun when someone else spends a fortune on food and booze and all you have to do is show up lol

[Harvey Specter]

The best part of growing up was crashing a random wedding and getting drunk for free before heading to the club. Ah, the good old days.

Regarding the CT, does anyone know when the Canadian CT pricing will be released? I read on the forums that perhaps we'll see pricing next month.

[hud 91gt]

My buddy just send me a link for the Lightning. Basemodel, dual motors 52k with discounts. That’s insane.

[68style]

It's also a horrendous piece of shit, we have 1 at work. I wouldn't buy it for $25k except to flip it to some n00b.

[inv4zn]

^Really? I saw an article Ford was cutting planned production by half, what's the reason for its impending failure?

[Harvey Specter]

The F150 is meant to be a workhorse, which is why transitioning to a full EV didn't make sense to me. First, the range is lacking, and second, the amount of abuse these trucks endure especially for those who use them on worksites is insane. Imagine facing battery issues every month, or, God forbid, experiencing a failure due to 'wear and tear' that isn't covered under warranty.

[68style]

Our F-150 is the standard battery, in winter time it is reduced to 120-130kms of driving on a full charge. Our building doesn't have proper charging stations so it's plugged into a 110v outlet and takes like 3 days to get a full charge... and seemingly never gets past 90% no matter how long we leave it plugged in for.

It's also been in for recalls and a myriad of mysterious ailments related to suspension clunks and brake noise issues in its ~10,000kms so far. Nobody wants to drive it, none of the techs want to deal with the range anxiety and it's just a turd. I think we're flushing it out to the island soon (in exchange for a gas F-250) where it will likely live out the rest of its days driving back and forth between the office out there and Tim Hortons/Starbucks. Maybe the occasional Jamba Juice run.

[radeonboy]

Our F-150 is the standard battery, in winter time it is reduced to 120-130kms of driving on a full charge. Our building doesn't have proper charging stations so it's plugged into a 110v outlet and takes like 3 days to get a full charge... and seemingly never gets past 90% no matter how long we leave it plugged in for.

120-130km range in winter is pretty unacceptable - was it at least loaded with people and/or equipment?

[Manic!]

. and seemingly never gets past 90% no matter how long we leave it plugged in for.



The last 10% is always the slowest and it may be set to only charge to 90% to help preserve the battery.

[68style]

120-130km range in winter is pretty unacceptable - was it at least loaded with people and/or equipment?

Nope... just started up and started driving and watch the km drop off.

It's not even that cold here! They have 1 in Quebec too and recently did a 500km round trip that usually takes about 6 hours in a regular truck, but it took 2 days, 3 charging stops and a hotel stayover with the stupid Lightning lol

[MarkyMark]

Sounds like the future to me, 2035 can't come soon enough!

[mikemhg]

This whole EV wave was just a ridiculous scam in so many ways. People who understand current tech, and the market itself seen this coming YEARS ago.

The idea of pivoting full EV by 2035 was such a ludicrous goal, flushed through by feckless and moronic politicians. When will these guys tell the truth in that we simply won't be there by 2035?

A lot of these CEOs are about to look pretty stupid in the next year or two by throwing all their chips into going full EV with their lineups. It reminds me of the NFT/Crypto craze of the early 2020s where so many seemingly educated fools fell hook line and sinker for such an asinine idea.

It's utterly baffling.

[Manic!]

21% of new cars sold in BC are electric. I have had a number family members and friends make the switch and will be never going back. My buddy bought a BMW hybrid. he drives to work charges it there and drives back. Gets gas maybe once of month. His next car is going to be fully electric.

[westopher]

Hybrids and electrics can be pretty cool, but there's no way, in 10 years, they will be good enough for everyone.
This vehicle is more like a social experiment from Elon to see how dedicated to him his fanbase is, and how fucking stupid he can make something and still sell it.

[whitev70r]

Not a Elon fan but I don't mind ludicrous goals ... if the goal isn't reached by 2035 and reached in 2045 .. that's OK. Gotta start somewhere, aim high. You must admit that the transition to EV's has happened quite quickly and regardless of whether you like Musk or not, he did serve as a massive catalyst in this direction

[twitchyzero]

dunno, been seeing more skeptics jumping in on the see?!? wagon

we're in a shit economy where more and more cant even feed themselves, if the market was balanced or favourable; EV for the masses still makes a lot of sense in certain areas

not supporting a ban on ICE though

[Hondaracer]

Vancouver is such an anomaly. There are few places in the world where there is this prevalence of EV’s. I guarantee you I see more EV’s in a week in Vancouver than I did in 4 months in Europe.

It’s also one of the few places where it actually makes environmental sense to have an EV with the vast majority of our power coming from hydro. Who cares about switching to an EV somewhere where you burn fuel to generate electricity, it’s pointless.

[SkinnyPupp]

Vancouver is such an anomaly. There are few places in the world where there is this prevalence of EV’s. I guarantee you I see more EV’s in a week in Vancouver than I did in 4 months in Europe.

It’s also one of the few places where it actually makes environmental sense to have an EV with the vast majority of our power coming from hydro. Who cares about switching to an EV somewhere where you burn fuel to generate electricity, it’s pointless.
EV energy use is at least 6X more efficient than an ICE, so even if the energy comes from fuel, a lot less fuel is used. It's not pointless at all. It's also much cheaper and efficient to buy that fuel as "power" than at the gas station.

[Manic!]

Vancouver is such an anomaly. There are few places in the world where there is this prevalence of EV’s. I guarantee you I see more EV’s in a week in Vancouver than I did in 4 months in Europe.

It’s also one of the few places where it actually makes environmental sense to have an EV with the vast majority of our power coming from hydro. Who cares about switching to an EV somewhere where you burn fuel to generate electricity, it’s pointless.

I guess you did not go to Norway.

https://cleantechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/April-2023-Norway-Passenger-Auto-Registrations-WD.png

https://cleantechnica.com/2023/05/03/norway-continues-to-grow-plugin-share-with-3rd-month-above-90/

Norway increased its plugin electric vehicle market share to 91.1% in April 2023, up from 84.2% year-on-year. The auto market is still settling down after policy changes that came in at the start of the year. Overall auto volume was 8,976 units, down 7.7% year-on-year. The bestselling vehicle was, again, the Tesla Model Y.

[RabidRat]

This whole EV wave was just a ridiculous scam in so many ways. People who understand current tech, and the market itself seen this coming YEARS ago.

The idea of pivoting full EV by 2035 was such a ludicrous goal, flushed through by feckless and moronic politicians. When will these guys tell the truth in that we simply won't be there by 2035?

A lot of these CEOs are about to look pretty stupid in the next year or two by throwing all their chips into going full EV with their lineups. It reminds me of the NFT/Crypto craze of the early 2020s where so many seemingly educated fools fell hook line and sinker for such an asinine idea.

It's utterly baffling.

Probably they're going for a self-fulfilling prophecy kind of thing. If we (via the politicians we voted for) don't find a way to reassure car companies that there's some kind of motivation to burn up money on R&D spend + reduced profit margins, then why would they do it?

Politicians committing now to a 2035 ICE ban in addition to incentivizing EV sales and charging infrastructure probably means that EV technology and scale makes economic and environmental sense by 2040.

If politicians committed to a 2040 ICE ban, then that wouldn't come til 2045.

Or if they didn't commit to anything, then we wouldn't get there at all.

And meanwhile, global warming isn't going to wait. Switching to EVs probably isn't going to move the needle enough all by itself but it's a necessary part of a larger effort.

Who cares about switching to an EV somewhere where you burn fuel to generate electricity, it’s pointless.

The premise is that it's a lot more efficient to convert fuel to energy at centralized power plants, than in a bunch of individual internal combustion engines.

Also, it's better for human health not to be dissipating all the pollution where the population is concentrated.

[immorality]

I guess you did not go to Norway.

I was in Norway last year and this absolutely tracks with what I saw there. Not a single interesting vehicle I could give a fuck about, with the exception of a 240 drift car on a trailer passing in the other direction. Nothing against EV's, just everything is an appliance.

[teggy604]

Norway, Denmark, Netherlands are top of the world when it comes to cycling year round to work, school, doing errand etc... I don't think people rely on their vehicles in general. It is a mindset and lifestyle change. Here people still rely on their vehicles whether it be EV, PHEV, ICE to go to 7-11. lol.

[freakshow]

RS might also be a biased population to ask. My wife for example will never go back to ICE. She probably doesn't remember how to use a gas pump at this point.
We just drove down to Bellevue, and with the kids in tow, I have to admit, the drive down with Autopilot was extremely pleasant/easy.

[Hondaracer]

Population of Norway is also about the same as BC.

Also a country that actually used their fossil fuel reserves correctly and provided wealth to its citizens which enabled the transition to green tech unlike Canada.

If our car was written off, I was looking at options, I could get a vehicle like an RDX with 20-30,000kms for between 40-55. Honda reliability, OK on fuel etc.

The comparative EV would be a model Y, a far less reliable, poorer build quality, etc. etc. for almost 25-30k more than the RDX (albeit used VS new)

The tale as old as time is, I would never realize the savings difference between the RDX and the Y, and I’d likely have a better experience with the RDX overall.

Saving the environment at the expense of your pocketbook and overall wealth.

[Hondaracer]

If I had a decent way to charge an EV at home I’d be far more open to it, but as someone who drives 400km+ in a one way trip 8-12 times a year, I think EV’s really have to double their range across every model and drop 25-40% by 2030 for them to be any sort of feasibility to their long term goals of getting rid of ICE vehicles.

[freakshow]

I think you hit on the two main reasons I would advise against an EV..
If you can't charge it at home, it's a worse experience overall since you always have to think about charging. Or if you're doing monthly long trips, superchargers are ok, but might as well stick with ICE/PHEV.

If those two don't apply, and you're buying a new car anyways (not buying a new EV to 'save money'), honestly, Model 3 is currently hard to beat.

[Manic!]

Population of Norway is also about the same as BC.

Also a country that actually used their fossil fuel reserves correctly and provided wealth to its citizens which enabled the transition to green tech unlike Canada.



and who's fault is that. Who sold Petrocan? Who was been controlling Alberta?

I have no Idea why you are supporting the cons. When you believe in nothing they support.

[JDMDreams]

Whoever builds a refinery will get my vote.

[68style]

I'm building one out of Lego's right now, I has your vote?

[radeonboy]

If I had a decent way to charge an EV at home I’d be far more open to it, but as someone who drives 400km+ in a one way trip 8-12 times a year, I think EV’s really have to double their range across every model and drop 25-40% by 2030 for them to be any sort of feasibility to their long term goals of getting rid of ICE vehicles.

I agree there are many lifestyle use cases and commercial applications where today's EVs don't make sense, but I expect these limitations to be addressed as the segment grows in the 11 years between now and the 2035 EV mandate deadline. While I have reservations about achieving the 2035 goal, having a specific target puts us in a better position to make progress compared to not having one at all. Many automakers are making an honest effort to give people EV options that fit their lifestyle by growing their EV portfolio, and having that 2035 goal offers some form of insurance for their R&D investment into EVs and its supporting infrastructure.

Personally, I'm seeing a growing number of people in my circle of family and friends who are moving to EVs. Most of them also keep a gas car around or rent one for their odd road trip beyond the lower mainland. Other people I know living in the north are growing warmer to Hybrids / PHEVs as these vehicles still yield gas savings for day-to-day driving with the flexibility of a gas engine for longer drives.

[Great68]

They basically need to triple battery capacity and cut charge time down to 1/3 of what it is now within those 10 years to make any sort of recreational vehicle (RV's, trucks for towing trailers) feasible.

Gas stations along major highway routes are already jam packed in the summer time.
For example the big Shell Station in Campbell River that we always stop at to refuel is 16 pumps, and always busy full of campers.

I could just imagine if those were chargers instead of pumps and every truck/trailer rig needed to wait there for at least an hour.

Very tall order to accomplish in 12 years. Better hope some miracle battery breakthrough happens.

[68style]

I'm a car enthusiast, and not in the way where I am enthusiastic about something just because it's new/advanced... I don't give a shit about saving $ on gas... no engine noise = death to me, so I'm out lol

I wouldn't turn down a Model S Plaid as a commuting car though if someone gave it to me or it was super cheap (not saying from a "duh obviously I could sell it after who wouldn't take a free car" perspective.. just gave to use for awhile and took back), I like the look of it and it's violently fast. Might be fun for awhile until the novelty of breaking the sound barrier off every stoplight wears off or I (most likely) lose my license.

[Hondaracer]

and who's fault is that. Who sold Petrocan? Who was been controlling Alberta?

I have no Idea why you are supporting the cons. When you believe in nothing they support.

The selling out of our oil happened long before modern day conservatives pushed it to the brink.

Tbh Canada is so fucked I don’t support anyone. Just want cons to get in for people like you to enjoy it. We’ve become a country where you either can own a cyber truck or ya die of an ear infection

[Hondaracer]

I'm a car enthusiast, and not in the way where I am enthusiastic about something just because it's new/advanced... I don't give a shit about saving $ on gas... no engine noise = death to me, so I'm out lol

I wouldn't turn down a Model S Plaid as a commuting car though if someone gave it to me or it was super cheap (not saying from a "duh obviously I could sell it after who wouldn't take a free car" perspective.. just gave to use for awhile and took back), I like the look of it and it's violently fast. Might be fun for awhile until the novelty of breaking the sound barrier off every stoplight wears off or I (most likely) lose my license.

EV’s will never be for the true “car” person, but those are few and far between these days

I had a P85 model S for a week, it was great, mindless driving, comfortable, it drove itself even for an older model. As you said though as a car person I think it would become increasingly boring to have a car that’s fast in a straight line but offers little else in terms of driving thrill.

My dads 993 is the antithesis of a EV and it’s so much more than you could ever ask for, yea it’s a 30 year old German car, but air cooled inline motor behind your head rumbling and growling and feeling like it could kick the bucket at any moment, but for a 30 year old car with less than a quarter HP of some of these Teslas, it offers infinite thrill no EV ever will.

[JDMDreams]

Gets a cyber truck + Miata ??? Profit. I agree Canada is turning to shit, the price you pay for mediocre democracy and bureaucracy. Soon they will start banning gays and abortions. Can't wait till they ban homelessness :joy:

[68style]

^ What are you on? LUL

[underscore]

Very tall order to accomplish in 12 years. Better hope some miracle battery breakthrough happens.

We'd probably be better off if they'd started building nuclear plants and going full ham on hydrogen, but that's not going to happen.

Have we even got enough hydro projects on the go to support that many EV's? It's gonna take a lot of supply and some pretty serious infrastructure to get it into the hubs like Campbell River/Hope/Merritt/etc even if they speed up charging. Being able to charge 16 Rivians in 5-10 mins, repeatedly, is gonna take some serious power.

[Hondaracer]

The power isn’t really the issue as far as I know, it’s the infrastructure

Everyone at every level wants to end ICE, but who’s gonna pay 500k or more for a group of charging stations? Running primary lines and building a transformer setup for each one of these will be prohibitively expensive unless there’s huge investment from either private or public sectors. Which in turn is of course going to eventually lead to EV’s costing close to what a car would to fill up.

Especially if we do get to the point where super super chargers can charge vehicles in 10-15 minutes. If the choice is to wait 30-45 minutes or pay 3-5 times as much to charge in 10, those 45 minute chargers will disappear real quick.

[Manic!]

There once was a time when the gap between a cheap car and expensive car was really big. That's not the case any more. Most people just want a reliable car with an okish sound system with some way to connect/charge there phone. I am not sad the ICE car is going away because it has been mastered. There is nothing to improve upon because everything that could be done has been done.

Car enthusiasts should start saving there money. As EV's become cheaper more people are going to switch. That's going to cause the price of used ICE cars to go down.

[68style]

Car market is different though... I think there will come a time period when ICE cars will bottom out in general or they'll get wiped out, but then people will get nostalgic and start trying to find models that they loved when they were younger or it becomes cool or status to have an ICE car then you will see a massive swing up in collectability prices.

[westopher]

EVs are going to be the bridge between gas and synthetic fuels. The laserdisc of cars basically.
Old gas cars will be the vinyl of vehicles. Provide that special feeling you can't get from the modern digital world. Not everyone's going to want to have it take up the space, but those that do will have lots.