[Harvey Specter]

EVs are going to be the bridge between gas and synthetic fuels. The laserdisc of cars basically.
Old gas cars will be the vinyl of vehicles. Provide that special feeling you can't get from the modern digital world. Not everyone's going to want to have it take up the space, but those that do will have lots.

I agree. EVs as the 'laserdisc of cars' is a really apt comparison. Just like laserdiscs stood between older formats and modern digital technology, EVs are serving as a transitional phase between gas vehicles and the future adoption of synthetic fuels which will happen.

[SkinnyPupp]

the future adoption of synthetic fuels
What's this?

[Manic!]

Car market is different though... I think there will come a time period when ICE cars will bottom out in general or they'll get wiped out, but then people will get nostalgic and start trying to find models that they loved when they were younger or it becomes cool or status to have an ICE car then you will see a massive swing up in collectability prices.

The car market will follow the vinyl and old video game market. You will see a big dip in prices then 15 to 20 years after you will see the prices go up do to nostalgia and the lack of cars.

Synthetic fuels will only be a niche and never be main stream. People don't like going to gas stations and doing oil changes and brake changes. Battery and charging tech is also only going to get better.

[whitev70r]

EV charging station is the laserdisc of EVs ... charging on the road as you drive is the holy grail. Not sure how the pricing will work though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI_FrKb2dZY

[SkinnyPupp]

The key is to get fleet vehicles/road cargo/trains over to EV. They're the ones causing most of the pollution when it comes to transportation.

Giant batteries are obviously not going to be feasible, but charging roads would be

Air and sea craft are major contributors, but not as viable, which is why I find that "synthetic fuel" thing interesting. I don't know what that is though

[inv4zn]

Air and sea craft are major contributors, but not as viable, which is why I find that "synthetic fuel" thing interesting. I don't know what that is though

https://i.cbc.ca/1.4253551.1503086672!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/back-to-the-future-2.jpg

Duh.

[Manic!]

What's this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUKN3m8wD2Q

[Hehe]

I agree. EVs as the 'laserdisc of cars' is a really apt comparison. Just like laserdiscs stood between older formats and modern digital technology, EVs are serving as a transitional phase between gas vehicles and the future adoption of synthetic fuels which will happen.

By synthetic fuel, you mean those that require far more energy input to produce than just put that energy into batteries and be done with? It's the same thing with liquid hydrogen. The amount of energy required to put those into usable state is crazy. So much so that we ask ourselves, why not use that power directly to begin with?

BEV is pretty much the most efficient method there is. The drive train unit is highly efficient. The power we generate is stored directly in it and generated in the most efficient manner.

People often overlook the amount of logistic and infrastructure that's required to maintain the petro industry. We do not simply pump right out of the ground from a gas station. A huge amount of energy goes into it in order for us to use that type of energy.

The entire thing was not built overnight. Far from it. It took a good decade or 2 AFTER ICE cars were commonplace to have a decent infrastructure and nearly a century to get what we have today.

It's a chicken and egg situation. In order for EV to become better, more infrastructure is needed. In order for more infrastructure to be built, more EV (or demand for electricity in general) is needed.

But the whole idea to have a deadline when ICE cars can no longer be sold is for companies, who wouldn't invest in the infrastructure needed to power the transition, as it doesn't make financial sense, to get on board or get lost in history.

For many who comment that we need EV with more range... I don't think that's the case. What we need is far more charging stations and faster charging equipment.

I don't know how many of you would push 600km non-stop on a regular basis, but even when I'm doing a business trip by myself, I stop every 2-300km or so to pee or grab food/drinks. With kids, probably shorter still. And if the charging speed is fast enough, where 10min stop would give me another 2-300km and they are everywhere... the whole idea to have an EV that can push 800km in one go is more like a "nice-to-have" feature rather than a necessity.

And expanding the charging infrastructure would be far faster than expanding a gas station network. Just about anywhere with a 3ph power can accommodate a decent DC fast charger. And with enough planning, some crazy fast ones are possible even without them... you just need a few huge industrial battery packs to power them.

[twitchyzero]

agreed

and the recreational towing scenario is so niche and also seasonal

i think the biggest barrier is still vehicle cost for adoption; if there's hundreds of them used for under $10-15k then people will figure out charging even if it's messy and chaotic just to skip oil changes and fuel stations

[Dbone]

I think perhaps the horse is a better analogy.

Most people had a horse until the early 20th century. Cars started to become a thing, including electric cars, and electric trams.

Now it's mostly just the rich kids and rural farmers who have horses. Just like how you should never date a girl with a horse (I speak from experience) they'll be telling our kids not to date a car guy. :)

That's my Euro/Canadian perspective anyway. I can imagine if you had parents who grew up in China it might be different?


Also, Africa is being sold hard on cheap ICE cars right now. If they buy into it (and I suspect they will) the oil industry will keep pumping for a long time. I love the idea of these synthetic fuels Porsche is making, but it's probably only necessary for optics of things like F1, and WEC etc.

[Great68]

With 12% of all vehicles registed vehicles in BC being RV's, it's a pretty big "Niche" lol.

[Hondaracer]

I think the idea of having to stop period will eventually be gone, with whatever advancement comes along.

Eventually you’ll just get in whatever vehicle you use and drive to your destination, and never require stopping whether it’s battery or a different fuel source, the idea of stopping to fill up or recharge will become an archaic thing of the past in 30-50 years. Harvesting mass amounts of raw materials to create these huge batteries as currently constructed will be looked back on like Combustion engines.

Not to say you won’t stop, but you likely will never need to

[Hondaracer]

With 12% of all vehicles registed vehicles in BC being RV's, it's a pretty big "Niche" lol.

Also it fucking sucks that the govt. basically legislated out one of the last affordable vacations a lot of families could have. TV/Camper/Truck combo was kind of the last bastion of freedom many lower income families had for a getaway.

Now increase fuel taxes, actively kill ICE vehicles, and get rid of AirBnB and short term rentals? Lol STAY AT HOME AND SHUT UP!!

[westopher]

agreed

and the recreational towing scenario is so niche and also seasonal

i think the biggest barrier is still vehicle cost for adoption; if there's hundreds of them used for under $10-15k then people will figure out charging even if it's messy and chaotic just to skip oil changes and fuel stations

The way EV cars are now there will never be a big supply in that price range since it seems like 7-8 years is when the 30k battery replacements come up. They tend to depreciate until about 20k sit there for a while then hit -$500 overnight lol.
I'm sure that will change in the next 10 years though.

[whitev70r]

nvm

[underscore]

Also it fucking sucks that the govt. basically legislated out one of the last affordable vacations a lot of families could have. TV/Camper/Truck combo was kind of the last bastion of freedom many lower income families had for a getaway.

Have you seen the price of those? They aren't affordable. We went camping using a minivan and a tent older than I was.

[68style]

Why do people keep listing oil changes and filling up as being SO painful... going somewhere once a year for 30 minutes (or twice if you're weirdly anal about the 6 month thing) to change oil is that hard???

Stopping for 5 minutes at a gas station is so terrible?

Jesus... that's some soft ass mentality if that's the kind of stuff that's pissing in your cornflakes lol

[teggy604]

^^ we live in snowflake generation. Technology has given us more and more convenience. Pretty soon people will complain they have to wipe their own ass, and chew food? lol.

[westopher]

The EV>ICE mentality is funny due to the making of EVERYTHING involving ICE cars out to be some insane burden. I'm far from anti EV, I really do want an ID buzz if there's a situation I can afford one in the near future, but having only an EV and wanting it for anything other than a work commute and close to home mini vacations remains a pretty incomplete idea.
The Tesla fanbois are the worst for it as somehow an oil change is a catastrophe but having to take your piece of shit model 3 in every couple months because the masking tape holding it together is coming apart is just part of the new technology experience is always a funny one.

[68style]

I had beers with an elementary school friend the other night and he has a BMW i4 he got about a year ago... he likes it alright except the back seat is too small and it's depreciated to shit already so he can't even trade it in for a bigger car anymore, but he said sometimes it's a pain in the ass like he drove down to the Outlets on Black Friday to shop a bit with his wife and he needs to charge when he gets down there, but the chargers are all full it's a gongshow and he finally gets 1... and then they are shopping he has to keep checking the app to go back to the car to move it again because if it's more than 10 minutes on the charger after its fully charged you get additional charges for occupying the charger... so he had to stop shopping and walk all the way back to the car and then try to find parking somewhere else which was another effort unto itself given it was Black Friday.

I mean I'd much rather grab gas somewhere than deal with that level of bullshit on a day-trip somewhere.

[Dbone]

^^ we live in snowflake generation. Technology has given us more and more convenience. Pretty soon people will complain they have to wipe their own ass, and chew food? lol.

Buy yourself a TOTO bidet. You'll wonder why you've been wiping your ass for so long.

Snowflakes rule!

[Hondaracer]

The EV>ICE mentality is funny due to the making of EVERYTHING involving ICE cars out to be some insane burden. I'm far from anti EV, I really do want an ID buzz if there's a situation I can afford one in the near future, but having only an EV and wanting it for anything other than a work commute and close to home mini vacations remains a pretty incomplete idea.
The Tesla fanbois are the worst for it as somehow an oil change is a catastrophe but having to take your piece of shit model 3 in every couple months because the masking tape holding it together is coming apart is just part of the new technology experience is always a funny one.

Drive through 10 minute oil change? No no no!!!

Your car sitting for a week in a garage getting software bugs ironed out/updated - yes plz

lol

[Hondaracer]

I had beers with an elementary school friend the other night and he has a BMW i4 he got about a year ago... he likes it alright except the back seat is too small and it's depreciated to shit already so he can't even trade it in for a bigger car anymore, but he said sometimes it's a pain in the ass like he drove down to the Outlets on Black Friday to shop a bit with his wife and he needs to charge when he gets down there, but the chargers are all full it's a gongshow and he finally gets 1... and then they are shopping he has to keep checking the app to go back to the car to move it again because if it's more than 10 minutes on the charger after its fully charged you get additional charges for occupying the charger... so he had to stop shopping and walk all the way back to the car and then try to find parking somewhere else which was another effort unto itself given it was Black Friday.

I mean I'd much rather grab gas somewhere than deal with that level of bullshit on a day-trip somewhere.

This is the type of thing that stresses me out to no end which is why I could never get an EV that couldn’t drive me to Kelowna in one shot. It’s like trying to race between ferry’s to catch the second ferry and being dependant on the flow of traffic, lights, timing, etc. I can’t stand this shit. Things basically out of your control which you have to actively monitor/stress about in order to make it a smooth situation.

[hud 91gt]

Why do people keep listing oil changes and filling up as being SO painful... going somewhere once a year for 30 minutes (or twice if you're weirdly anal about the 6 month thing) to change oil is that hard???

Stopping for 5 minutes at a gas station is so terrible?

Jesus... that's some soft ass mentality if that's the kind of stuff that's pissing in your cornflakes lol

People bitch when they don’t have tire pressure sensor, maintenance warnings and… gasp.. courtesy lights.

[68style]

I work as a fleet manager and TPMS has to be one of the worst inventions ever made for cars lolol

[twitchyzero]

With 12% of all vehicles registed vehicles in BC being RV's, it's a pretty big "Niche" lol.

% excluding sprinters/truck campers?

actual towing, and that % in the lower mainland year-round?

Why do people keep listing oil changes and filling up as being SO painful... going somewhere once a year for 30 minutes (or twice if you're weirdly anal about the 6 month thing) to change oil is that hard???

Stopping for 5 minutes at a gas station is so terrible?

Jesus... that's some soft ass mentality if that's the kind of stuff that's pissing in your cornflakes lol

people just like to get away from the idea of maintenance if they can?

ie: LG tech asked me when was the last time i took the top panel off my dryer (those euro/asian-style combi) to clean lint :heckno: i asked if i did near-perfect maintenance would i get more than the average 8 modern years, answer is no so i'm not wasting energy on something not easily owner-serviceable

we love cars so it's not an appliance to us, but it is for the everyman

and while the current pricing is palatable, it IS painful at 2.4$/L for most ICE owners

id also imagine it'd be a luxury to not be dependent on a market with a saudi stranglehold when we already have abundant local resources

[EvoFire]

I work as a fleet manager and TPMS has to be one of the worst inventions ever made for cars lolol

TPMS sensors go bad which is an whole other BS on to itself. The one on my X3 went bad and it was warranteed. The sensors were out of stock and I had to go back. Yes I know snowflake :fullofwin:

[Badhobz]

Why do people keep listing oil changes and filling up as being SO painful... going somewhere once a year for 30 minutes (or twice if you're weirdly anal about the 6 month thing) to change oil is that hard???

Stopping for 5 minutes at a gas station is so terrible?

Jesus... that's some soft ass mentality if that's the kind of stuff that's pissing in your cornflakes lol

i purposely went out of my way to do my own oil changes ever since the dealership overfilled the oil on the ratrolla. Its not an inconvenience to me, i rather enjoy doing them now. Ive done it so many times now that its second nature.

the weird thing are the OEM blue crush washers for the drainplug. The fuck, they are like 1 dollar each. :okay:

[sonick]

i purposely went out of my way to do my own oil changes ever since the dealership overfilled the oil on the ratrolla. Its not an inconvenience to me, i rather enjoy doing them now. Ive done it so many times now that its second nature.

the weird thing are the OEM blue crush washers for the drainplug. The fuck, they are like 1 dollar each. :okay:

haha +1 on the blue crush washer, same thing for my 2GR Rav4.

I had to do it myself for the first time in a long time when the last oil change they did something and caused a VVTI rattle that I posted a thread about. Changed the oil myself and it was gone.

That said, minor benefit of going to shop/dealer for oil change is they'll get it on the hoist and do an inspection for other things and maybe catch something before it gets more serious.

I might do every other oil change myself assuming they don't fuck up again.

[Badhobz]

Im 99999% sure those dealership guys just look it over visually and all done within like 10 seconds.

When I’m underneath the car I always take a look at bushings and control arms. If I see anything leaking or broken then I can address it. But I’m certain those dealership guys just give it a quick visual and that’s it. Same with leaks or drips. If the undercarriage is dry then everything is okay.

And fuck those guys for torquing on that oil filter with an impact wrench or something. The fact that I had to use a breaker bar to remove the oil filter is bullshit. So not professional.

[sonick]

They at least have a checklist to go thru.

Autowest BMW's service is actually pretty sweet, they record the inspection on their phones and sends it to my account to watch later, even if everything is in good shape.

[is350]

i purposely went out of my way to do my own oil changes ever since the dealership overfilled the oil on the ratrolla. Its not an inconvenience to me, i rather enjoy doing them now. Ive done it so many times now that its second nature.

the weird thing are the OEM blue crush washers for the drainplug. The fuck, they are like 1 dollar each. :okay:

Only 1 dollar? My mazda dealer charged me $2.23 for a crush washer

[68style]

They at least have a checklist to go thru.

Autowest BMW's service is actually pretty sweet, they record the inspection on their phones and sends it to my account to watch later, even if everything is in good shape.

That's pretty amazing, if you have an out of warranty BMW you can literally watch them fuck you.. practically POV raping of your own wallet lol

[underscore]

I might do every other oil change myself assuming they don't fuck up again.

That's what I do with our Rav4. It doesn't get driven much so every other year I'll have them do the oil change just to give the rest a once over. But now that you mention it I'm pretty sure ours only had the rattle after dealer changes too.

[Hehe]

The way EV cars are now there will never be a big supply in that price range since it seems like 7-8 years is when the 30k battery replacements come up. They tend to depreciate until about 20k sit there for a while then hit -$500 overnight lol.
I'm sure that will change in the next 10 years though.

This is a big misinformation about EV. While some early BEVs with small batteries do suffer quite a bit in term of usage life, new BEVs that you can buy today have far larger batteries and better BMS that the batteries are more likely to outlast the vehicle. There's no such thing as a battery pack that requires replacement at 7-8yr.

Tesla's current fleet, depending on models, have batteries designed to last anywhere between 350k and 600k km. With the Cybertruck's battery to last 1M+. I had a 2016 Model X with nearly 180k and still does 90%+ of the original mileage on a full charge. And they don't just die when reaching that kind of mileage. It just doesn't perform the same/below certain threshold.

[Hondaracer]

What does range look like on your model X at 90%?

[sonick]

That's pretty amazing, if you have an out of warranty BMW you can literally watch them fuck you.. practically POV raping of your own wallet lol

Lol I guess you could see it that way.

I appreciate it coz ultimately I can decide the severity of the issue and decide where I want to go have it fixed. And if they're incentivized to point out every minor issue, I would rather know for myself than not.

[westopher]

This is a big misinformation about EV. While some early BEVs with small batteries do suffer quite a bit in term of usage life, new BEVs that you can buy today have far larger batteries and better BMS that the batteries are more likely to outlast the vehicle. There's no such thing as a battery pack that requires replacement at 7-8yr.

Tesla's current fleet, depending on models, have batteries designed to last anywhere between 350k and 600k km. With the Cybertruck's battery to last 1M+. I had a 2016 Model X with nearly 180k and still does 90%+ of the original mileage on a full charge. And they don't just die when reaching that kind of mileage. It just doesn't perform the same/below certain threshold.

If it's misinformation why are we literally seeing it happen?

[twitchyzero]

Cybertruck has been out for half a minute, claiming it can last 1M miles in real world is perhaps too early lol

[is350]

Not just that, claiming other tesla current models to run 350 to 600k out of thin air is pretty laughable

[Hehe]

Not just that, claiming other tesla current models to run 350 to 600k out of thin air is pretty laughable

It's all a calculation of how many cycles those batteries are designed to go through in its lifetime. Then multiply by the amount of mileage per kwh.

Yes, real-world mileage might vary. But that's what the batteries are designed for. How close it really ends up doing doesn't matter. The more important question is... let's suppose that the 1M batteries sucked and only achieve 50% of it.

How many here on RS actually have a car that's over 500k in mileage? And to be perfectly comparable, how many of those cars that actually did 500k without some serious parts replacements on things like engine/transmission... etc?

Last time I checked... even Lexus/Toyota, their engine/transmission replacements are north of 12k for parts and labor. Way more if you want brand new engine, if you can source one. Even just gasket/seal/belts replacements that are "recommended services" for anything beyond 240k are over 3k everything in.

Those are stealership price. Yes. But the idea is that maintaining an ICE car to go anything beyond 240k isn't a cheap endeavor. More often than not, when you hit the point where the engine gone kaput. It's cheaper to just buy another car than having the engine replaced.

[twitchyzero]

but established teslas run on panasonic

the in-house tesla batteries in the CT could be 120% expected life or 15%, the variability is anyone's guess

[68style]

Those are stealership price. Yes. But the idea is that maintaining an ICE car to go anything beyond 240k isn't a cheap endeavor. More often than not, when you hit the point where the engine gone kaput. It's cheaper to just buy another car than having the engine replaced.

Naturally it's all anecdotal, but I personally have at least 700,000kms worth of driving on 2 Toyotas and 2 Lexuseses... and I've never ever done major work to an engine. Timing belt + water pump x 3 at a total cost of maybe $2,000 cuz I was lazy and didn't want to do it myself.

I wouldn't say the same for a Dodge or Ford though, but you did mention Lexus so I think it's fair game.

If for some crazy reason after 20 years the engine on my IS300 died tomorrow, I could find a 2JZGE pretty easily for $1,500 and throw it in for about $700 labour? $2,200 is a lot cheaper than buying a new car? It's not even the freight+PDI cost on a new car.

Plus, I'd be recycling :accepted:

[Badhobz]

^^ an EV can go a million miles. CAN. just like an ICE can as well.

Some far better than others

https://www.motortrend.com/news/heres-a-million-mile-tesla-model-s-owners-advice-for-ev-reliability/

"As InsideEVs notes, early Model S cars, including the 2014 year, commonly had reliability issues with the rear motor units and even their replacement units, which impacted this example as well, and the owner claims the rear motor unit on this one has been replaced a whopping 13 times (an average of 84,285 miles per motor including the current one, though we hope reliability has improved in recent years). The battery pack has faired much better, only being replaced three times so far, for an average of around 300,000 miles per pack, which seems pretty solid."

price of a rear drive unit motor is ~10k USD x 13 so 130k worth of rear drive motors alone and 3x battery packs (around 13-20k each)

https://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=570#:~:text=Price%3A% 20%249%2C900.00&text=This%20kit%20includes%20the%20Tesla,%2C%20and %20pre%2Dcharge%20resistor.

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its not all maintenance free or dead reliable. kinda luck of the draw. Ask Dark about his EV ownership experience so far hahahah

[underscore]

Naturally it's all anecdotal, but I personally have at least 700,000kms worth of driving on 2 Toyotas and 2 Lexuseses

I haven't put all these miles on myself, but most of the vehicles I've owned have been pretty up there. The highest: 468k - 1987 Celica, 373k - 2000 Grand Cherokee, 313k - 1992 Celica.

[is350]

Is there a difference in quality between different brand batteries?

A lot of Hyundai EVs are hitting the news with battery failing before 200k km and needing replacement, how is tesla's battery different to make most of them meet their theatrical mileage?

If there is a decent amount of tesla buyers having build quality issues/other misc issues during warranty period, how do you even have faith in their batteries to have good consistent quality? Only time will tell if Tesla is like the Toyota of ICE cars or just another unreliable domestic brand

[RabidRat]

Is there a difference in quality between different brand batteries?

A lot of Hyundai EVs are hitting the news with battery failing before 200k km and needing replacement, how is tesla's battery different to make most of them meet their theatrical mileage?

If there is a decent amount of tesla buyers having build quality issues/other misc issues during warranty period, how do you even have faith in their batteries to have good consistent quality? Only time will tell if Tesla is like the Toyota of ICE cars or just another unreliable domestic brand

We really would need the actual stats to know for sure, which would never be available to us, but some possible reasons why failure rates will differ between brands:

It will differ in how battery designers handle environmental conditions: what is each cell being subjected to, thermally (e.g. do you get hotspots? how hot do those get? how quickly could the temperature ramp up/down?). How about mechanical stressors (e.g. how much shock / stress are you subjecting the cells to)? Electrical (e.g. how good is your cell balancing? how hard are you allowing your system to pull charge out, and dumping it in?). There's a lot of variation in how they can design the cooling, control/sensing electronics, structural design of the pack.

It then comes down to experience informing improvements on the battery pack design: you get a lot out of large-scale long-term real-world field data, vs just the usual accelerated life testing. Tesla has a huge head-start on other manufacturers in this regard.

Other manufacturers have a lot more experience in making the rest of the car, so it would make sense to me that Tesla's not there yet wrt door locks failing, seats squeaking, trim rattles, panel gaps gaping, that kinda thing. Point is, I don't think necessarily, problems in the rest of the vehicle are a good proxy for the reliability of the battery. But they could be. Who knows. Need data. Anecdotal evidence sucks. My dad's 2001 Sienna's transmission failed at just 110,000km, right out of warranty SOL. He took great care of that car. Had it serviced every time at Toyota for all the scheduled maintenance. Quoted $3000 to fix. Does that mean Toyotas are unreliable?

[Badhobz]

You had me at panel gaps gaping.

Making me hot and bothered now

[bcrdukes]

My dad's 2001 Sienna's transmission failed at just 110,000km, right out of warranty SOL. He took great care of that car. Had it serviced every time at Toyota for all the scheduled maintenance. Quoted $3000 to fix. Does that mean Toyotas are unreliable?

Yes they suck. You hear that, Badhobz?!?!?!?! :pokerface:

[Badhobz]

Yes how dare you sir. How dare you !!! Sir !!!!

[RabidRat]

You had me at panel gaps gaping.

Making me hot and bothered now

Great, thanks for the image. :(

Remember this guy? He's probably driving a Tesla these days and gaping the gaps with his dick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06BFsQ_28Co

[bcrdukes]

Future Badhobz right there

[Hondaracer]

Tesla owners don’t seem the type to keep a 250,000km vehicle. Maybe the Uber drivers.

Also in terms of the maintenance argument, sure, a Toyota or Honda may need a transmission, or other “major” maintenance item at 300-400,000kms. But what’s a transmission job? 4000-6000?

What’s a “major” maintenance item for a Model X cost ie. battery, motor, etc. $15,000-$35,000? Or more?

There isn’t an item on most modern ICE vehicles that comes close to the replacement costs of a motor or battery in an EV

[RabidRat]

^ Not yet, anyway. Give it some time and scale, and it'll eventually be at parity with ICE. Gotta start somewhere.

[MarkyMark]

Yeah with an ICE vehicle the repairs are usually far more spread out and lower in cost. If my F150 has a major issue what am I looking at, a few grand? Maybe 5k if something really fucked up. Yeah it sucks but I'll fix it and it'll most likely be good another 200k

I can't imagine the feeling in the pit of your stomach when your out of warranty EV suddenly stops working and you're wondering if it's worth taking out a second mortgage

[JDMDreams]

^ 2023 v8 f150 5.0l, 20mpg combined = 8.5 km per l. 200000 km/ 8.5km = 23529.41 liters x $1.65 = $38823.52 so let's say / 10 years that's still at least $3882.35 a year minimum in gas at current price, / 12 = $323.52 a month in gas :heckno: best case scenario before maintenance.

[68style]

^ 2023 v8 f150 5.0l, 20mpg combined = 8.5 km per l. 200000 km/ 8.5km = 23529.41 liters x $1.65 = $38823.52 so let's say / 10 years that's still at least $3882.35 a year minimum in gas at current price, / 12 = $323.52 a month in gas :heckno: best case scenario before maintenance.

F-150 Lighting XLT is $30,000 more than a F-150 XLT with the 5L V8 in it or you could get the EcoBoost V6 it's just as effective and better on gas and save even more money.

Paid for 8/10 years of gas not spending that money nevermind the Lightning is a complete piece of shit and all the things that will go wrong with it in the 10 years proposed.

Problem solved.

[Hondaracer]

My dad bought a 2017 F150 XLT 5.0 for $40,000 brand new, it’s got 42,000km with not a single issue period for the entire ownership, that trucks gets the same mileage as our G on the highway.

One tank you can drive to quesnel or further without stopping hehe

[MarkyMark]

Yeah EV is so great you just pay for all the gas money up front and then pretend you're rolling in the savings.

Just wait a few more years as EV gets more popular and the government starts charging you by the kilometer to help make up the shortfall from the gas taxes they are missing.

[Manic!]

Yeah EV is so great you just pay for all the gas money up front and then pretend you're rolling in the savings.

Just wait a few more years as EV gets more popular and the government starts charging you by the kilometer to help make up the shortfall from the gas taxes they are missing.

According to the AutoTrader Price Index Report, the average new vehicle price in June 2023 was $66,288,


The entry-level, Base Trim model starts at $53,990 Canadian dollars for the Electric: 211-kW motor & 60.50-kWh & F battery. The price for the mid-range Long Range trim is $63,990 MSRP. The most expensive in the lineup, Performance is priced at $73,290 Canadian dollars.

[is350]

We really would need the actual stats to know for sure, which would never be available to us, but some possible reasons why failure rates will differ between brands:

It will differ in how battery designers handle environmental conditions: what is each cell being subjected to, thermally (e.g. do you get hotspots? how hot do those get? how quickly could the temperature ramp up/down?). How about mechanical stressors (e.g. how much shock / stress are you subjecting the cells to)? Electrical (e.g. how good is your cell balancing? how hard are you allowing your system to pull charge out, and dumping it in?). There's a lot of variation in how they can design the cooling, control/sensing electronics, structural design of the pack.

It then comes down to experience informing improvements on the battery pack design: you get a lot out of large-scale long-term real-world field data, vs just the usual accelerated life testing. Tesla has a huge head-start on other manufacturers in this regard.

Other manufacturers have a lot more experience in making the rest of the car, so it would make sense to me that Tesla's not there yet wrt door locks failing, seats squeaking, trim rattles, panel gaps gaping, that kinda thing. Point is, I don't think necessarily, problems in the rest of the vehicle are a good proxy for the reliability of the battery. But they could be. Who knows. Need data. Anecdotal evidence sucks. My dad's 2001 Sienna's transmission failed at just 110,000km, right out of warranty SOL. He took great care of that car. Had it serviced every time at Toyota for all the scheduled maintenance. Quoted $3000 to fix. Does that mean Toyotas are unreliable?

No denying that any car brand can have catastrophic failures at low mileage. There are outliers/anomalies for sure for every brand. But if a failure/design flaw of some component happen quite commonly, then yea by all means, that car brand/specific model is unreliable.

I also just realized model s has been in the market since 2012 but you don't see them a lot on the street let alone high mileage ones, I doubt any owners wanna replace the batteries, they either ditch the car or junk it once the battery fails.

[MarkyMark]

Just going off their website their base model Pro with no options with the extended range is over 77k. If I want to get it to have similar options as my 2014 with features such as painted bumpers it's already 80k+

[Badhobz]

These EVs are just like iPhones. Best to lease them and get a new one every 2-4 years due to the constant tech upgrades. Newer is better etc etc

Is350 is right though. You really don’t see any of the older model S’s around.

[MarkyMark]

As posted by Whitev70r in the Craigslist thread, here's your Model S

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rds/cto/d/surrey-upper-west-2013-tesla-model-p-85/7698252238.html

[Badhobz]

^holy shit. 10k for electric motors and 25k for battery. Lawl.

[MarkyMark]

What did those sell for brand new back then? Surely it was cheap so the 35k in repairs were made up with all the gas you saved.

[Badhobz]

Way over 100k when new. So yeah all you savings went out the window and then some.

I guess you can take comfort in your early adopter moniker

[MarkyMark]

I guess knowing you saved the planet helped ease the blow to your pocketbook

[westopher]

I saved 10k in gas for the low low price of 50k in maintenance and 90k in depreciation!

[GS8]

This is how I picture traffic once everyone owns a dual or tri motor EV:

https://youtu.be/XmofOcNkUrA?t=60

[whitev70r]

As posted by Whitev70r in the Craigslist thread, here's your Model S

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rds/cto/d/surrey-upper-west-2013-tesla-model-p-85/7698252238.html

I actually think this one might be a tad better for $5K difference, 2 yr newer, less mileage, has 90D a little more range and Supercharger (for life, I presume), and AWD.

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van/cto/d/vancouver-2015-tesla-model-fsd-and-free/7696493173.html

[Dbone]

These EVs are just like iPhones. Best to lease them and get a new one every 2-4 years due to the constant tech upgrades. Newer is better etc etc

Yeah, but then you'll get fucked by the lease rates, and also dumping cars every 4 years or less isn't exactly great for the environment either.

On another note, today's Collecting Cars podcast had a mention of how far behind the European manufacturers are compared to Tesla and the various Chinese brands. Knowing how important car manufacturing is to the various European nations (except the UK now thanks to Brexit [god damn it]) I wonder if they may make a pivot to some other tech in the long term. The EU hyped up diesel big time when the Germans were #1 at it (and they still are especially in military applications) so it makes you wonder if they may try to make a move away from electric at some point to put some distance between them and China. Wild speculation, but worth keeping an eye one long term I think.

[RabidRat]

If you bought a $100k+ ICE car and 250,000 hard kms later blew up your motor and went to the dealership to buy and install a brand new long block, are you not expecting to pay tens of thousands of dollars? You have to compare apples to apples.

I found an M4 motor on "Black Friday sale" lol, sold by a 3rd party vendor not even the stealership: $25k CAD, not including install labor. What would that labor be at BMW? Like $10k? At the end of the day, you're fucked nearly just as hard.
https://www.mlperformanceusa.com/products/genuine-bmw-11002455338-exch-short-engine-s55b30a-inc-m3-m4-gts-m4-cs?variant=47615258394940&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&srsltid=AfmBOord3gp4-S5fp1ihXpqZd2yljZmL7VVrGZegUnPOvMK7cCAfSVXIyFU

The guy should've skipped the dealership and just rebuilt his existing pack. Maybe it was just a bad module:
https://evolveelectrics.com/products/tesla-model-s-lithium-ion-battery

[donk.]

Yeah, but then you'll get fucked by the lease rates, and also dumping cars every 4 years or less isn't exactly great for the environment either.



Humans aint great for the environment dawg

[underscore]

How many $100k+ ICE cars are only worth $19k after you spent $35k putting a new motor in them?

[Badhobz]

^maserati’s hahahahahahahaahhahaha !!!!! :okay:

[is350]

what was the guy thinking, just dumped 25k for a new motor, then trying to sell it for 20k, why?

[donk.]

what was the guy thinking, just dumped 25k for a new motor, then trying to sell it for 20k, why?

Probably tried to sell it for 40k at first, then 30, with 0 interest, then reality hit

No different than people "souping up / restoring a car" for 100k, only to sell it for 25-40k

[RabidRat]

^maserati’s hahahahahahahaahhahaha !!!!! :okay:

You guys see this article yesterday on the Autopian? Depreciation's so bad it starts before it sells to customer.

https://www.theautopian.com/the-new-maserati-granturismo-is-depreciating-by-tens-of-thousands-of-dollars-on-showroom-floors/

That's what they get for dropping the V8!!

[Badhobz]

Yes Maserati is a shadow of its former self. They basically killed the brand when they forced it away from Ferrari. It is and always should have been the gentlemen’s Ferrari. It’s now basically a zombie brand that doesn’t have a distinctive identify. So sad considering the older ones were all designed by and built by Ferrari for both chassis and engine.

Hell they even shared the same sticky button issues that plagued Ferraris.

Now look at you!!!! Which man would want you now you whore !!!!! Get outta my sight !

[JDMDreams]

Is it because they way over priced it like crazy with a V6? Damn a sl43 is a 4 cylinder :fulloffuck::fuckthatshit: I'm surprised the 8 series and LC, cgt is holding their values

[Badhobz]

LC's are holding their values and i would even say overvalued. Cant find a decent used one for under 80k in vancouver even if they are 2018.

[tegra7]

If you bought a $100k+ ICE car and 250,000 hard kms later blew up your motor and went to the dealership to buy and install a brand new long block, are you not expecting to pay tens of thousands of dollars? You have to compare apples to apples.

I found an M4 motor on "Black Friday sale" lol, sold by a 3rd party vendor not even the stealership: $25k CAD, not including install labor. What would that labor be at BMW? Like $10k? At the end of the day, you're fucked nearly just as hard.
https://www.mlperformanceusa.com/products/genuine-bmw-11002455338-exch-short-engine-s55b30a-inc-m3-m4-gts-m4-cs?variant=47615258394940&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&srsltid=AfmBOord3gp4-S5fp1ihXpqZd2yljZmL7VVrGZegUnPOvMK7cCAfSVXIyFU

The guy should've skipped the dealership and just rebuilt his existing pack. Maybe it was just a bad module:
https://evolveelectrics.com/products/tesla-model-s-lithium-ion-battery
When I worked for Dodge, the price for a 6.2 Hellcat engine was 35k for a short block, before taxes and install. This was last year. A brand new 5.7 hemi would cost around 22k.

[68style]

I mean... there are a lot of dealership prices for things that anyone would be mental to pay.

[MarkyMark]

Yeah you could probably find an independent shop and a rebuilt motor for a lot cheaper than that. I don't know anyone who thinks of the dealership when it comes to buying and installing a brand new motor unless getting bent over dry is something you're into.

[Hehe]

I've never heard of any engine rebuild being done for less than 4k all in. And those were figures from quite a few years ago for 4-bangers with mixed of used/new parts.

For anything German with 6+ cylinders or using all new parts, prepare Vaseline. My friend did a BMW e92 M3 using all new parts and both top and bottom. I believe he said something like 21k after everything was said and done. And this is for engine rebuild. For a full new engine, the quote was 30k+

[Badhobz]

21k?! thats peanuts in the italian world. FeelsGoodMan

Every engine out service for Ferrari's (JUST SERVICE, not repairing anything) is like 20-30k.

[MarkyMark]

So with EV you're spending BMW M3 engine prices to fix your Hyundai battery, sounds great.

[RabidRat]

^ you are so negative you are actually making me laugh out loud :D

[MarkyMark]

It's just the examples being given are all high end motors lol. Yeah a Hellcat or M3 is probably going to be a wash if you have to replace the engine with a brand spanking new one compared to an EV battery.

What regular person driving a Carolla can suddenly afford the insane prices of a new battery? Driving an out of warranty EV is like driving with a loaded gun to your head where you're just hoping it lasts long enough to be the next owners problem.

[twitchyzero]

i wonder if the cost issue is battery tech and chemistry changing relatively faster than engines'

i would think after decades since the Prius we would see battery getting cheaper

[Badhobz]

What regular person driving a Carolla can suddenly afford the insane prices of a new battery? Driving an out of warranty EV is like driving with a loaded gun to your head where you're just hoping it lasts long enough to be the next owners problem.

SOUNDS LIKE

https://media.tenor.com/ml4WRO5rAN8AAAAM/toyota-corolla.gif

https://i.imgflip.com/6e1vtc.jpg

[JDMDreams]

I thought you NEVER rebuild engines, always just go junk yard a good used one. It's always more expensive to rebuild.

[underscore]

who tf is buying a new Hellcat short block and not using the chance to build something more ridiculous?

Even if you grenaded the motor here's a 422 stroker with a new block for $10k USD https://www.modernmusclextreme.com/p-254-422-hemi-stroker-engine-6462-based-by-modern-muscle-performance.aspx

[Hondaracer]

Yea my 30k civic type R blew its motor, hold on a sec while I go buy a crate motor worth 3/4 the value of the car, said no one, ever. Lol

[JDMDreams]

^ well clearly you don't know Hector

https://cartreatments.com/wp-content/uploads/what-is-hector-running.png

[Manic!]

Boat upgrade package coming from tesla!!!! Now I will be able to drive over to the mainland!!!!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1736943517115482218?s=46&t=Pb5nbvg5-0w4ZI91GK-DkQ

[Badhobz]

Heh. This fucking guy.

John Oliver is doing a piece on him with last week tonight but it’s blocked in YouTube Canada.

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-gets-the-john-oliver-treatment-1851109137

[Koflach]

How many $100k+ ICE cars are only worth $19k after you spent $35k putting a new motor in them?

Jaguar, Range Rover, Audi, Mercedes, Infiniti, BMW, Porsche...

All of these brands have vehicles that depreciate over 60% in 5 years without even having to replace the engine.

[Koflach]

Why do you guys keep comparing Corollas to cars like Tesla's? They are not even close to being an apples to apples comparison. You should be comparing the Model 3 to a BMW, Mercedes, or other vehicles that are in the $55k+ range. The more expensive the car, the higher the repair bill. If you buy a 15 year old Mercedes that originally went for $110k+ for $15k, it will still have repair bills on it like a $110k vehicle when something goes wrong.

[twitchyzero]

spicy corollas and civics are well in the 55 range these days

[RabidRat]

spicy corollas and civics are well in the 55 range these days

https://i.imgflip.com/89ufcn.jpg

I remember thinking the pricing seemed totally wack: "who would pay several grand more than an STI? Who has that kind of money?!"

[JDMDreams]

I did look it up a while back, a base tlx is like $55k, even an Integra is like $46 to start. Prius are like over $50 and even Corolla hatches are like $40+ so pretty compatible to Tesla in price if not more expensive.

[Koflach]

I did look it up a while back, a base tlx is like $55k, even an Integra is like $46 to start. Prius are like over $50 and even Corolla hatches are like $40+ so pretty compatible to Tesla in price if not more expensive.

Yes, but who here is comparing their hybrid or phev to a tesla? They have batteries in them as well that may need to be replaced at some point, just like a Tesla. It may be cheaper to do (roughly $6500 on a prius from what I can see online) but it can happen.

I may be wrong but it seems like the only ones being compared are gas versions.

This is by no means me supporting ev over ice, i'm just saying that you should at least compare cars properly. A basic Mercedes A class or 3 series seems to be a more appropriate comparison.

[bcrdukes]

hello duh! a toyota corolla is the same as a tesla because they are both carzzzzzzz!!!!! #sarcasm

[MarkyMark]

Isn't that the point, that EV's are more expensive than their budget ICE comparisons? You'll be spending 50k on a base Hyundai Kona EV or 30k on the base gas model. Why do I have to compare maintenance costs from a 50k EV Kona to a 50k ICE BMW what is apples to apples about that?

[Badhobz]

Yeah a corolla vs model 3 isnt fair.... to the corolla. its better built :pokerface:

how dare you compare MINI CROWN to a fucking disgusting model 3

[underscore]

Jaguar, Range Rover, Audi, Mercedes, Infiniti, BMW, Porsche...

All of these brands have vehicles that depreciate over 60% in 5 years without even having to replace the engine.

So you'd be $35k ahead of that Tesla*. That's a lot of gas.

*excluding the Range Rover of course. I believe it was established on here they're the biggest turds on the road by a huge margin.

[Dbone]

I wish Porsches depreciated. If they did, I'd probably get a 991.2 but they don't, so M2 it is.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/VORO_Cars-With-Best-Resale-Value.jpg

It obviously just depends on the model. Luxury SUVs and Luxury Sedans get wrecked because the people who want them want new ones. If you can't afford a new one then you're better off getting a new 2nd tier. If you want value then you get a used 2nd tier or below.

Resale on EV's is abysmal. 49% depreciation in 5 years on average.

https://www.iseecars.com/cars-that-hold-their-value-study

Maybe this source is garbage... I haven't seen them before.

[68style]

That chart lost all credibility for me as soon as they put the Camaro on it.

They must be ONLY looking at a ZL1 or whatever the top model was called... ie: cherrypicking... cuz that shit just ain't true otherwise.

[JDMDreams]

Yes that's the thing there's nothing in the same price range that's even phev. I doubt you can get any bmw Benz unless you're getting some shitty 230, cla250. For $50000. Can you even buy an i3 for $50? The hybrid variants are always more expensive. Isn't a prime like $65000?

[JDMDreams]

I just built a RS favorite Camry XLE hybrid to get leather seats, and it's Finance $47,941.60 after tax at 7.2%, a hybrid Prius not even plug in is Finance $45,225.60 and they want 7.99%

[EvoFire]

Why do you guys keep comparing Corollas to cars like Tesla's? They are not even close to being an apples to apples comparison. You should be comparing the Model 3 to a BMW, Mercedes, or other vehicles that are in the $55k+ range. The more expensive the car, the higher the repair bill. If you buy a 15 year old Mercedes that originally went for $110k+ for $15k, it will still have repair bills on it like a $110k vehicle when something goes wrong.

Disagree, the Teslas are 100% being cross-shopped with Toyotas as well. Tesla build quality and luxury imo isn't on par to BMW/MB/Audi. Luxury does not a big screen make, and if we are talking luxury appointments the TM3/Y is about equal to a Highlander. If you really want to compare, a TM3 is probably comparable to a Acura TLX directly. Can't argue with the versatility of the frunk though.

Tesla wins hands down imo if you are looking for the best EV drivetrain. There simply isn't one out there that matches them. If you are shopping for a overall package then other brands potentially win out depending on how heavily other criterias are weighed. The Etron is a million times nicer, but the drivetrain isn't as good, and the use of space is terrible. But it's so so so much nicer than a Model Y.

[Badhobz]

dat the new camry!?!?!? :sweetjesus::sweetjesus:

yeh no wonder rates are high on the new

[noclue]

The model 3 is the reason why there's barely any new 3-series or C-class for the budget ballers anymore.

[Koflach]

Isn't that the point, that EV's are more expensive than their budget ICE comparisons? You'll be spending 50k on a base Hyundai Kona EV or 30k on the base gas model. Why do I have to compare maintenance costs from a 50k EV Kona to a 50k ICE BMW what is apples to apples about that?

I hear what you're saying but the math only works out if you do a lot of driving with the cheap cars. If you are just puttering around town, an expensive EV simply doesn't make sense compared to a 30k Corolla. Corolla's are great cars for what they are: low barrier of entry, reliable, good on gas, well built vehicles. They aren't much to look at and definitely aren't very exciting though.

I drive roughly 25k km per year and had a 2015 hyundai sonata before my first model 3. Because of the amount of driving I did, it made fiscal sense to move over to an EV as at $1.50/l gas back then + my car payment, I could justify the EV.

On the other side, I was speaking to my mom about this over the weekend. She does roughly 12k km per year, has no car payment and drives a ford focus harchback. Even if she had a car payment, the numbers just don't make sense for her.

Where the real payoff comes into play is with the more expensive cars like the BMW 3 series as these are what Tesla is targeting with the Model 3. A BMW 3 series with no options comes in at $58949.30 + tax vs a base model 3 with no options comes in at $55990.00 + tax. Based on these numbers, any amount of driving is a net gain in the EV's favour.

One day, EV manufacturers will come out with cars that directly compete with the base model corollas of the world but we aren't there yet.

[JDMDreams]

You forgot the ev discount and no hassle, ready to buy inventory, sleezy salesman ceramic coating, tint games.

[68style]

Oh don't worry, Tesla has plenty of ways they get sleazy... especially with all the car neophytes that buy their products.

[noclue]

https://youtu.be/ufbxvRo2rnY?feature=sharedOh don't worry, Tesla has plenty of ways they get sleazy... especially with all the car neophytes that buy their products.

Full self driving… biggest sham for $15k

[westopher]

That absolutely never should have been a legally allowed feature to be sold anywhere

[Badhobz]

didnt they used to sell FSD for like 5k? what happened if you bought it for like 5k? they want you to pony up the extra 10k now!?... and its still not fully self driving, i mean it basically drives like a drunken teenager, or my wife on a good day.

[is350]

Why do you guys keep comparing Corollas to cars like Tesla's? They are not even close to being an apples to apples comparison. You should be comparing the Model 3 to a BMW, Mercedes, or other vehicles that are in the $55k+ range. The more expensive the car, the higher the repair bill. If you buy a 15 year old Mercedes that originally went for $110k+ for $15k, it will still have repair bills on it like a $110k vehicle when something goes wrong.

Like someone else pointed out, there is no comparison between a model 3 vs a 3 series, c class, a4 or the Japanese models. Go sit in these cars, look and feel at the interior materials. Not to even mention handling and driving dynamic. The only thing model 3 is on par with the entry level luxury cars is its acceleration





Because there are model 3 owners/potential owners who justified model 3 over corolla or your typical compact or midsize sedans. They reasoned that with savings from gas bills over a certain period/mileage, the model 3 cost about the same as a corolla hybrid or something similar.

The irony is that with these owners including yourself who drives a lot per year (25k per yr), if the battery fails earlier than expected, then there is barely any saving comparing an EV vs ICE in terms of running cost or total cost of ownership

Like someone else pointed out, there is no comparison between a model 3 vs a 3 series, c class, a4 or the Japanese models. Go sit in these cars, look and feel at the interior materials. Not to even mention handling and driving dynamic. The only thing model 3 is on par with the entry level luxury cars is its acceleration

[68style]

Aren't C Class Mercs nowadays pretty trash inside? They look cool in photos with all the lighting effects and shiny shiny but when you actually sit in one it's like oooof no thanks

[is350]

^I agree, it does look pretty bad but still better than model 3 ha

[Manic!]

You guys think people in Vancouver living in multimillion dollars homes driving tealas would be driving Corollas if Tesla did not exist? I know multiple people who have switched from BMW Mercedes etc to Tesla.

[Badhobz]

Yeah me too. Manic. Hehe. Koflach.

[Hondaracer]

You guys think people in Vancouver living in multimillion dollars homes driving tealas would be driving Corollas if Tesla did not exist? I know multiple people who have switched from BMW Mercedes etc to Tesla.

That’s like saying why doesn’t everyone on the west side have a Ferrari out front, if they own their home they almost certainly could afford to. But i drive through Kerrisdale, Shaugnessy, etc. on a weekly basis and there’s a tonne of old econo shit boxes.

People drive them because they are trendy, the fob who barely knows how to plug her EV in probably isn’t concerned with a net positive in gas VS EV.

[snowball]

Aren't C Class Mercs nowadays pretty trash inside? They look cool in photos with all the lighting effects and shiny shiny but when you actually sit in one it's like oooof no thanks

Sat in a rental C class and it's still pretty special inside in comparison, everything just feels more solid and firmer in the German cars. The japanese luxury cars are still clearly souped of versions of the standard Toyota, Nissan, or Honda.

[EvoFire]

You guys think people in Vancouver living in multimillion dollars homes driving tealas would be driving Corollas if Tesla did not exist? I know multiple people who have switched from BMW Mercedes etc to Tesla.

Lots of multi million homes with a VW or a Highlander or Pilot outside. In fact most older rich people don't drive fancy ass cars because that's not something they did. The cars in my neighborhood is a pretty good mix of Camrollas and X5 and Teslas and what not, it's really all over the spectrum.

A bunch of our kid's friends recently swapped to TMY, they came from X3 (lease was up), GLC (tired of it), Hyundai (burning a quart of oil every tank). So it is all over the spectrum. The X3 folks swapped cause of the frunk, the GLC family wanted something different, the Hyundai family drove a lot so the EV made sense.

[RabidRat]

Interesting that the frunk would be a deciding factor for some families. I guess I do enjoy the added "exterior" storage esp to put takeout in so it doesn't seep into the rest of the interior space.

[68style]

I was surprised on my buddy's i4 when he got it that the front has no storage... just a big plastic cover... I've never looked into what's inside the front of the i4 but you'd think there would be a lot space without the engine in there. Seems like a missed opportunity.

[Dbone]

^^ Can confirm. I had a look yesterday and laughed when I opened it. There's just a second cover the size of the hood with two little hatches for service.

[Badhobz]

Lots of multi million homes with a VW or a Highlander or Pilot outside. In fact most older rich people don't drive fancy ass cars because that's not something they did. The cars in my neighborhood is a pretty good mix of Camrollas and X5 and Teslas and what not, it's really all over the spectrum.

most rich people dont give a fuck about cars. as long as it works its fine. they see them as the depreciating asset that they are. Plus not all of them have to roll up to flex on people at a brown wedding.

older chinese who have money all drive pretty modest cars. Only their sons and daughters want to be more show-off-ish.

The older i get, the more i dont give a shit either. Thus my shanghinese family think im dead broke now since i drive a toyota corolla.

[punkwax]

Just saw my first one out in the wild! My jaw literally dropped. Wonder if the driver noticed lol

[Badhobz]

jaw dropped from the ugliness or what?

i mean its like seeing a refrigerator come to life and start driving down the road. What is this applianceprime ? appliance in disguise? Truckformers?

[68style]

It's their homeworld, Cybertronk... here's hoping the planet eater Unicorn comes and we can all bask in the glitter and rainbows

[tegra7]

CT with cali plates has been spotted downtown over the last couple of days.

[JDMDreams]

https://youtu.be/JhX20_ebSkM?si=jDMAda4YE3N3VBeH

[Badhobz]

https://youtu.be/JhX20_ebSkM?si=jDMAda4YE3N3VBeH

my light show is better

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lJqtDBZ6o50

[Harvey Specter]

CT with cali plates has been spotted downtown over the last couple of days.

Same one was spotted at big white few days ago.

Any guesses when Tesla will release CDN pricing?

[Manic!]

The difference between a Corolla and a Tesla is no one is going to think you are poor for driving a Tesla.

I used to sometimes drop off or pick up my nephew from St Georges private school. I would see Range Rovers, BMW's Mercedes some Porches and a bunch of Tesla's. People driving cars like a Corolla would be the staff and the nannies. Same goes for places like Hollyburn country club.

[SkinnyPupp]

The difference between a Corolla and a Tesla is no one is going to think you are poor for driving a Tesla.

I used to sometimes drop off or pick up my nephew from St Georges private school. I would see Range Rovers, BMW's Mercedes some Porches and a bunch of Tesla's. People driving cars like a Corolla would be the staff and the nannies. Same goes for places like Hollyburn country club.
The horror!

[MarkyMark]

Must suck going though life worried people you don't know might think you're poor

[underscore]

They might not be poor but 9 times out of 10 those are the people trying to show that they're rich but are actually financed out the wazoo and own very little. The truly rich dgaf, their stuff is nice but it's much more subtle.

[hud 91gt]

That must be in your head. Every rich person I know drives a shitbox (relatively speaking). Wealthy people? Sure nice fancy cars. But rich? Used, practical or cheap. Every one! lol.

[SkinnyPupp]

That must be in your head. Every rich person I know drives a shitbox (relatively speaking). Wealthy people? Sure nice fancy cars. But rich? Used, practical or cheap. Every one! lol.
Not just rich, but confident people just don't give a fuck that there's some shitter sitting in a Tesla wondering what their job might be, based on the car they drive to pick up their kids. That's just kind of pathetic.

Average Cybertruck buyer

[Manic!]

Must suck going though life worried people you don't know might think you're poor


I use to pick up my nephew in my Honda Ridgeline. One of the students dads owned a NHL team another owned a large clothing chain. One of the parents had a private jet. When his son was playing in a hockey tournament in another province he would take his jet and give some of the parents a ride.

My whole point is people looking at Mercedes and BMW are also looking at Tesla. It's in the same class. It might not have the fit and finish as the others but it is the cutting edge of tech.

[SkinnyPupp]

Follows up with a humble brag about his nephew's classmates

Average Cybertruck buyer

[GS8]

The difference between a Corolla and a Tesla is no one is going to think you are poor for driving a Tesla.

I used to sometimes drop off or pick up my nephew from St Georges private school. I would see Range Rovers, BMW's Mercedes some Porches and a bunch of Tesla's. People driving cars like a Corolla would be the staff and the nannies. Same goes for places like Hollyburn country club.

https://media.tenor.com/FiPo5oPDIdMAAAAe/godzilla-had-a-stroke-reading-this.png

[Badhobz]

I use to pick up my nephew in my Honda Ridgeline. One of the students dads owned a NHL team another owned a large clothing chain. One of the parents had a private jet. When his son was playing in a hockey tournament in another province he would take his jet and give some of the parents a ride.

My whole point is people looking at Mercedes and BMW are also looking at Tesla. It's in the same class. It might not have the fit and finish as the others but it is the cutting edge of tech.

If you own an NHL team / a large clothing chain / or had a private jet, you wouldn't even look at BMW's and Mercedes to begin with. I think the bare minimum is a Bentley, and the average would be chauffeured rolls, or something better than a lousy german taxi like a mercedes.

Unless they dont care about cars, then if thats the case they sure as fuck dont care about a stinking tesla either. Its not like they want to save the environment jet setting around the world in a private plane.

[EvoFire]

I use to pick up my nephew in my Honda Ridgeline. One of the students dads owned a NHL team another owned a large clothing chain. One of the parents had a private jet. When his son was playing in a hockey tournament in another province he would take his jet and give some of the parents a ride.

My whole point is people looking at Mercedes and BMW are also looking at Tesla. It's in the same class. It might not have the fit and finish as the others but it is the cutting edge of tech.

Not sure why a NHL team owner was living in Nanaimo of all places, and raising his kid and having them go to school there as well....

[CivicBlues]

I use to pick up my nephew in my Honda Ridgeline. One of the students dads owned a NHL team another owned a large clothing chain. One of the parents had a private jet. When his son was playing in a hockey tournament in another province he would take his jet and give some of the parents a ride.

My whole point is people looking at Mercedes and BMW are also looking at Tesla. It's in the same class. It might not have the fit and finish as the others but it is the cutting edge of tech.


https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535

[Manic!]

Not sure why a NHL team owner was living in Nanaimo of all places, and raising his kid and having them go to school there as well....

St Georges is located in Vancouver.

[EvoFire]

St Georges is located in Vancouver.

:pokerface: can't string posts together today, my bad lol

[Hondaracer]

Saw one in the wild today

https://i.imgur.com/2rAw0ob.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/ZKPDI0d.jpeg

At first glance I was like hmm.. actually looks better in person

The thing that totally caught my eye instantly though are there are lines EVERYWHERE

I don’t really know how to explain it but obviously when every body panel is a square flat face, it’s going to look like this, but I was like man this thing looks bizarre, and the idea that there is nothing else remotely close on the road rings true. All the flat edges and panel gaps stand out so much when there’s no roundness lol

[Badhobz]

Ya know there’s a difference between drawing attention when it’s beautiful and drawing attention when it’s so fucking alien and weird looking that people can’t help but stare.

This is the equivalent of a rolling sideshow. Like the bearded woman or the 20foot tall midget

[punkwax]

Ya know there’s a difference between drawing attention when it’s beautiful and drawing attention when it’s so fucking alien and weird looking that people can’t help but stare.

This is the equivalent of a rolling sideshow. Like the bearded woman or the 20foot tall midget

I know and I like all of those things.

[Hondaracer]

In the 500 feet I was behind it this thing turned more heads than a neon Aventador spyder driven by a chick with her tits out

[EvoFire]

In the 500 feet I was behind it this thing turned more heads than a neon Aventador spyder driven by a chick with her tits out

Until every 1/10 Tesla on the road is one anyways.

[JDMDreams]

Are those the production wheels? Doesn't seem to match the rest of the car

[Dbone]

In the 500 feet I was behind it this thing turned more heads than a neon Aventador spyder driven by a chick with her tits out

Yes, but did you see more smiles or scowls?

[Manic!]

Are those the production wheels? Doesn't seem to match the rest of the car

It's missing the hubcaps.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1724/5219/files/tesla-cybertruck-factory-wheel-guide-aftermarket-t-sportline-20-inch.jpg?v=1700169040

[westopher]

They probably flew off.

[Hondaracer]

Yes, but did you see more smiles or scowls?

More like confusion

[RabidRat]

Yeah that's the thing. When a Cybertruck passes by me, my brain gets blown out like "what the hell is that?!" and I'm on alert, similarly to how I'd react if a piece of metallic debris went flying down the highway next to me. I just don't have the neural pathways built up to process a giant steel monolith whipping by.

It commands attention, that's for sure. Does it matter if it's positive or negative attention? Maybe not, for the people buying these things! Plenty of people out there getting bright purple chameleon wraps; I would think there's a lot of overlap there.

Edit: lol! someone's avatar on the Rivian forums:
https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/data/avatars/h/3/3557.jpg

[Manic!]

Tsportlines Cyber truck wrapped in gloss black
https://i.ibb.co/Dbr53CB/cyberblack.webp

Looks pretty good.

[Badhobz]

Sexy glossy trash can you got there

[RabidRat]

Tsportlines Cyber truck wrapped in gloss black
https://i.ibb.co/Dbr53CB/cyberblack.webp

Looks pretty good.

Few more angles shown in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV0OEQ0dAQE

Agreed, this does look better.

[AzNightmare]

Not just rich, but confident people just don't give a fuck that there's some shitter sitting in a Tesla wondering what their job might be, based on the car they drive to pick up their kids. That's just kind of pathetic.

Average Cybertruck buyer

I keep telling myself that's how I will justify driving my teenager looking hot hatch as my daily... :pokerface:

[Badhobz]

Man they’ll just think your some kind of a gen xer trying to relive his glory days.

Prove them right by stepping out of hot hatch with a boom box and cassette deck

That’s fly man. Word up

[Hondaracer]

Not sure why a NHL team owner was living in Nanaimo of all places, and raising his kid and having them go to school there as well....

I’m assuming he’s talking about Len Barrie.

He lived in Victoria because he’s a shiesty motherfucker who built bear mountain etc.

Not sure he ever lived in nanaimo by the looks of it though..lol

[Manic!]

I’m assuming he’s talking about Len Barrie.

He lived in Victoria because he’s a shiesty motherfucker who built bear mountain etc.

Not sure he ever lived in nanaimo by the looks of it though..lol

The school was in Vancouver.

[smokedvw]

I wish Porsches depreciated. If they did, I'd probably get a 991.2 but they don't, so M2 it is.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/VORO_Cars-With-Best-Resale-Value.jpg

It obviously just depends on the model. Luxury SUVs and Luxury Sedans get wrecked because the people who want them want new ones. If you can't afford a new one then you're better off getting a new 2nd tier. If you want value then you get a used 2nd tier or below.

Resale on EV's is abysmal. 49% depreciation in 5 years on average.

https://www.iseecars.com/cars-that-hold-their-value-study

Maybe this source is garbage... I haven't seen them before.

This is what gets me. I looked at a model S the guy was going to get $38k for a trade in on a 2018 I think it was. Thats over 60% depreciation in 5 years. That is a lot of gas. I was all about a cybertruck when it was first announced but once I realized I cant pull my boat the distance I need to with the electric trucks I will just stick with my F150 and keep driving it.

The depreciation of the EV I cant see how it breaks even with ICE maintenance costs. There must be studies at this point to show the differences. It seems new ICE cars these days need very little done to them in the first 100k and I dont see the cost savings of EV vs gas balancing out the depreciation.

[TOS'd]

Tsportlines Cyber truck wrapped in gloss black
https://i.ibb.co/Dbr53CB/cyberblack.webp

Looks pretty good.Few more angles shown in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV0OEQ0dAQE

Agreed, this does look better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ksidn9amKSU

[Badhobz]

Inozetek is the same brand that i wrapped my ratrolla with. good stuff

[underscore]

Turns out that drag race was actually 1/8mi

https://twitter.com/wmorrill3/status/1746266437088645551

It still a stupid metric, but it's funny how they had to lie about it.

[Dbone]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-cybertruck-owner-gets-coming-soon-message-when-trying-to-lock-diff

https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2024/01/25/Cybertruck-Diff-Hero-1.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=1920

[Dbone]

https://youtu.be/xNE-NyaYBcg?si=fvkchboptSkkGLY1

Throttle House review.

[RabidRat]

Nice side by side of CyberTruck and R1T.

https://i.imgur.com/8Vw5sJ2.jpg

The Cybertruck right wheel fell off at King of the Hammers:

https://i.imgur.com/GKbT1Ye.jpg


Lol!

[EvoFire]

The rear axle steer components weren't strong enough to handle the abuse.

[Manic!]

That truck is owned at Unplugged Performance. They where at King of the hammers.

https://www.optimabatteries.com/experience/blog/optima-unplugged-at-king-of-the-hammers

[MarkyMark]

They'll fix the wheel falling off issue in the next software update.

"We've detected you're off-roading were rerouting you to the closest paved road"

[Badhobz]

Anyone else think those rotors look absolutely tiny for such a heavy ass car ?

[dark0821]

Tesla brake performance for all their cars has been a problem hahahaha

The rotors by themselves are never enough, I am sure the Tesla engineer says they calculate the braking force in conjunction with the regen braking, because in Teslas you can't turn the regen off, so it will always be part of the "braking system" on top of the frictional brakes.

[hud 91gt]

I was going to say, the regen probably takes a good chunk of the load. Today’s cars brakes are massive. Really only required for track use.

[Manic!]

You almost never use the brakes in a tesla.

[underscore]

Unless the electronics fail or a CV snaps.

[Great68]

Anyone else think those rotors look absolutely tiny for such a heavy ass car ?

Seem about normal size for rear brakes, they actually look a bit bigger than the rears on my F150.

[sonick]

https://twitter.com/blakestonks/status/1753932112757924034

[westopher]

Seem about normal size for rear brakes, they actually look a bit bigger than the rears on my F150.
This is probably a full e36 heavier than your f150 though

[tegra7]

The rear axle steer components weren't strong enough to handle the abuse.
Unplugged performance said it was a broken bolt. Truck was mostly stock except for the front and rear quick-disconnect sway bar endlinks. They didn't specify if the bolt that broke was their sway bar end links though. They did say they pushed the truck very hard and to the limits since product development depends on this.

[hud 91gt]

A sway bar end link won’t cause an issue. I fact it’ll probably help. Lol

[RabidRat]

Saw a Cybertruck parked at work today. Really threw me off. "Who left a fridge in an EV charging space?!"

It's a lot smaller in person than I thought. Doesn't seem in person much bigger than a Tacoma if at all. Interior room seems similar if not smaller. Might be something to do with that sharply sloping roofline.

In the distance and out on the street though, looks massive.

[Hondaracer]

https://i.imgur.com/MjKW1Eo.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/LAqNuB2.jpeg

Reminds me of that robot from robocop lol

https://i.imgur.com/AysHQTZ.jpeg

[68style]

Now there's a shop that's making bank off whatever they normally do every day with diesel trucks. But also somehow bored at the same time.

Living in Woods Cross, Utah probably helps with both of those things.

[Badhobz]

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-cybertruck-owners-starting-rust-rain-orange-specks-elon-musk-2024-2

article doesn't have a pic, but it looks like the stainless steel is getting rust spots

[EvoFire]

It's stain less not no rust. Put it through the rigors of daily use I'm not surprised an unprotected steel panel would get some surface rust.

EDIT: Other thing to keep in mind, the surface of the stainless steel isn't non-stick either. Environment contaminants will stick on it and cause rust like looking spots. Anyone who drives a white car and lives or works near a railroad would know. My white MS3 was covered in orange rust spots because I worked in produce alley right next to the train tracks, but it's actually just contaminants and some elbow grease with a clay bar will take it all off.

[headhunt3r]

I also suspect it's just normal contaminants from the road. Iron remover is not cheap to use on the regular.

[Great68]

Remember that there are different grades of stainless.

The Cybertruck is what? 301?

There's a reason they use 316 for marine parts.

[westopher]

It's stain less not no rust. Put it through the rigors of daily use I'm not surprised an unprotected steel panel would get some surface rust.

EDIT: Other thing to keep in mind, the surface of the stainless steel isn't non-stick either. Environment contaminants will stick on it and cause rust like looking spots. Anyone who drives a white car and lives or works near a railroad would know. My white MS3 was covered in orange rust spots because I worked in produce alley right next to the train tracks, but it's actually just contaminants and some elbow grease with a clay bar will take it all off.
The rigours of daily use?! These things are a fucking month old lol. If only they had figured out something to put on the metal body panels of cars that would prevent them from rusting in a month of use. Is there a software update for that maybe?
These things are just pure trash hahahaha.

[Hondaracer]

Not sure what the grade is on my appliances I’m sure it’s very thin compared to the cyber truck but 5 year old kitchenaid appliances have those kind of rust/wear marks where I maybe didn’t wipe them down or somthing spilt on it and didn’t catch it

I’m sure I could polish it out but I would have to actually work at it and maybe even have some sort of cut polish it’s not just a matter of wiping it off, and that’s a fridge inside my kitchen

[Hehe]

My late xmas gift is here!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53542421164_a6c8ede432_b.jpg

[Badhobz]

Nice spoons ?!!?!? What the fuck is that

[Hehe]

Cyber spoon. A collab between Tesla China and McDonald China. Basically a metal spoon with cybertruck-inspired design for McFlurry.

[sonick]

Coke spoons

[Manic!]

A Porsche dealer in Florida just paid 244K for a Cybertruck at auction.
https://electrek.co/2024/02/28/tesla-cybertruck-sold-for-premium-who-bought-it/

A Tesla Cybertruck sold at auction for $244,000 – more than twice the retail value of the electric pickup truck.

Before turning its reservations into orders, Tesla tried to take precautions against early buyers flipping the Cybertruck for profits.

However, there are limitations when it comes to enforcing these things. After all, you should be able to do what you want with a product you own, including reselling it for a profit.

That’s why I’m not surprised to now see an early Cybertruck being sold to auction for $244,000.

A Cybertruck was marked as sold to Porsche Orlando on Cox Automotive’s Manheim auction platform for $244,000 (via Cybertruck’s Owner’s Club):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BfQ0yW0pk8

[Hehe]

Not sure if anyone qualify here, but I thought it's interesting if you want to get your CT early

https://www.tesla.com/early-cybertruck-delivery

[tegra7]

https://youtu.be/qLWxjtIpJz0

[Koflach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aTXUrmmLdo

[RabidRat]

https://i.imgur.com/TvUEc8c.png

Saw this a couple days ago. I kinda like it. Definitely better than the bare steel lol.

[Badhobz]

What the fuck ! That looks like something out of battle zone. A windows 3.1 based tank game with shitty line vector graphics.

https://www.arcadeclub.co.uk/cdn/game-library/battlezone/screenshots/battlezone-1.png

[Gumby]

Just saw this in Osaka a few days ago; it looks quite massive in person:
https://i.ibb.co/KF9pgcs/IMG-2662.jpg

[bcrdukes]

I saw it the other day at the Tesla showroom at Square One mall. Quite massive and obnoxious. :suspicious:

[freakshow]

https://i.imgur.com/TvUEc8c.png

Saw this a couple days ago. I kinda like it. Definitely better than the bare steel lol.
I like the cybertruck.. but this is giving me aztec vibes

[Dbone]

Oh man, that potato quality picture and the old tank game just showed us the next step for the cyber truck.

The engineers started out with vector based graphics, but they should have done this with raster based images with zero anti-aliasing. I want to see sharp jittery lines where ever it's not parallel or 90 degrees to the horizon.

[Hondaracer]

https://youtu.be/PK_EJ3DyiiA

Whistling diesel is a bit of a clown but goes to show this is hardly a truck by definition

Pulling off those upper columns with hardly any effort is pretty bad

[68style]

Even tho I don’t like the Cybertruck much or any Tesla product for that matter, as a car enthusiast it’s really hard to watch someone destroy a vehicle like that :(

I like how he stops to promote LETS FUCKIN GO caffeine tablets as a health product. What a peach of a guy lol

[Great68]

That guy looks like he's popping stuff a bit harder than caffeine....

[SkinnyPupp]

I have to admit there were some pretty funny moments in that video

They're basically doing Jackass

[Badhobz]

Looks like an Americanized Donk

[AstulzerRZD]

Bro does what we all joke / dream / wonder about

[Hehe]

Canadian order invitations are being sent out.

I was just able to reserve mine:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53910457892_47241ff92a_b.jpg

Thought about canceling it as I'm looking to move. But my bro said he'd take it off me once I leave. So... I guess let's milk it as much as I can on Turo. :fuckthatshit:

[Badhobz]

Turo !? Da fuck. Your model x plaid is way more money than this trash heap. Why would you even care about listing this garbage ? Just let it sit there to rot like most rich guys and their stupid toys.

Nobody has time to deal with these idiots on turo.

[Manic!]

Facebook is full of ads of people trying to sell there reso's.

[68style]

Cuz everyone who isn't on RS is broke and can't buy a $140k+ truck

You should lend it to me when I move to Calgary and we can get rich making videos of yokels in AB getting reallllll upset about it

[Hehe]

Cuz everyone who isn't on RS is broke and can't buy a $140k+ truck

You should lend it to me when I move to Calgary and we can get rich making videos of yokels in AB getting reallllll upset about it

Hahaha. Let me know when you are moving. If dates line up, I don't mind driving there to piss some rednecks off.

But please... you are underestimating the truck pricing or the purchasing power of truck owners.

There are easily 5 Raptor/Raptor R combined at my son's school. Fully priced out, they can be over 150k.

And even the supposed normie F-150 or Super Duty... if they are anything above Lariat, they can be over 100k when all the nice options are added.

Most truck owners I have met, it doesn't matter whether they buy truck for work or personal, they seldom go with the barebore "starting price" truck. For owner-bought trucks that are not fleet purchases, the lowest trim I've seen is Lariat for a F150.

There is a reason why you have those decked out Platinum or King Range from Ford. There's a big market for those.

[Badhobz]

I still don’t get why people say a 100k car is a lot of money. Your fucking houses are all 1.8-2 mil for a run down shack. Less than 10%! Of your home value for a 100k car. Plus when a 3 cylinder Corolla is 60-70k, it makes everything seem like a good deal.

Everyone who can afford a single detached home should be able to , in theory, to buy a super car at 300-500k since your vehicle is the 2nd most expensive thing you own. IN THEORY.

[hud 91gt]

100k is a ton of money. Cash? That could have gone into my house. Financing? That’s a ton of money every month. My $9k Toyota does the same job. lol Massive depreciating asset, vs. A roof over your head??

[Badhobz]

Yah vs a used old beater of course. But like I said theoretically it’s not that much money compared to your houses. Unless you bought your home for cheap, it’s really not that much money in the grand scheme of things in comparison to your real estate. Hell what is a mortgage per month on a 800k loan ? Like 8-9k a month ? What is a loan on a 100k car ? 1-2k a month via heloc if even that ?

[EvoFire]

I still don’t get why people say a 100k car is a lot of money. Your fucking houses are all 1.8-2 mil for a run down shack. Less than 10%! Of your home value for a 100k car. Plus when a 3 cylinder Corolla is 60-70k, it makes everything seem like a good deal.

Everyone who can afford a single detached home should be able to , in theory, to buy a super car at 300-500k since your vehicle is the 2nd most expensive thing you own. IN THEORY.

It is a lot of money, most ppl in GVRD aren't living in 1m+ homes, again RS is the minority. For everyone of us on here talking about picking up a Cybertruck for shits and giggles, buying a GTI for the sake of buying a car, have a M3 sitting at home barely driven, or just owns 4 radwood cars, there's at least 5 more ppl who are renting with a kid and trying to make ends meet with family income under 100k. And I'm not even talking about manic's cousins living 8 guys in a 1bd condo either, legit families here who are trying to make it work.

Back to the Cybertruck. So they haven't actually started selling in Canada? No wonder I haven't seen any around.

[Badhobz]

…. there's at least 5 more ppl who are renting with a kid and trying to make ends meet with family income under 100k. And I'm not even talking about manic's cousins living 8 guys in a 1bd condo either, legit families here who are trying to make it work.

Ah ha ! I found what their problem is. The lousy kid!!!! Stop shitting out trash kids and they won’t be so damn poor. 911s for all !!!

[JDMDreams]

So how much are they there? Saw a US one last week. Still pretty cool and still want one, but I need to see if they made any revisions yet. I wonder how it lasts in the Calgary hail. :pokerface:

[EvoFire]

So how much are they there? Saw a US one last week. Still pretty cool and still want one, but I need to see if they made any revisions yet. I wonder how it lasts in the Calgary hail. :pokerface:

I just want to see one in Crystal Mall.

[Klondike]

https://i.imgur.com/Y2uYH0F.jpeg

Spotted one at Aberdeen with temp WA plates

[westopher]

Cuz everyone who isn't on RS is broke and can't buy a $140k+ truck

You should lend it to me when I move to Calgary and we can get rich making videos of yokels in AB getting reallllll upset about it
The cybertruck will create a paradox for them that could create a black hole.
"On one hand I like it cause Elon hates trans people, but on the other hand it doesn't use gas so I'm mad" *steam starts coming out of ears

[mikemhg]

I still don’t get why people say a 100k car is a lot of money. Your fucking houses are all 1.8-2 mil for a run down shack. Less than 10%! Of your home value for a 100k car. Plus when a 3 cylinder Corolla is 60-70k, it makes everything seem like a good deal.

Everyone who can afford a single detached home should be able to , in theory, to buy a super car at 300-500k since your vehicle is the 2nd most expensive thing you own. IN THEORY.

Your house doesn't depreciate by 20-30% in the span of 2-3 years :lol

[westopher]

Your house doesn't depreciate by 20-30% in the span of 2-3 years :lol
Neither have my cars.:concentrate:

[Badhobz]

Exactly. Depending on what you buy it’s not even that bad. Just don’t cry that your Sentra with 300,000kms on it isn’t worth the 30k you paid for it.

Who cares if it depreciates. I’m depreciating every year getting older and fatter and lower sperm count.

[JDMDreams]

Yes but the appreciation in your house will pay for the cyber truck, ??? Profit

[Manic!]

You can buy a Ford lightning new for under 60K right now. way better buy then the cybertruck. Funny thing the older used Ford lightnings are priced around 80K.

[JDMDreams]

^^ how I'm on the Ford site now and the poor person stripper spec is already $60000 MSRP after delivery and tax it's $73000 cash. Doesn't say what discount it qualifies for if it even does? The platinum is $120k after -$11000 employee pricing

[Manic!]

Lots on Facebook marketplace.
https://www.facebook.com/share/WoedGeZ1rLStLDDS/?mibextid=kL3p88

https://www.facebook.com/share/g9mX5RtnsC5EAHWa/?mibextid=kL3p88

MSRP $72890
FORD EMPLOYEE PRICING DISCOUNT $6567
GOVERMENT REBATE UP TO $9000
SALE PRICE $57323

BRAND NEW 2024 FORD F150 LIGHTNING XLT SUPERCREW 5.5 FT. BOX 4X4
STANDARD BATTERY, RANGE UP TO 386KM!!

[Hehe]

Apparently, CT is exempt from the luxury tax. Yay? :badpokerface:

[noclue]

How? Isn’t it considered a half ton? Unless the GWVR is like a F350

[Hehe]

How? Isn’t it considered a half ton? Unless the GWVR is like a F350

https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-working-to-get-luxury-tax-removed-for-cybertruck-in-canada/

[GIZZ]

I got the invite as well. 2 trims available right off the bat.

$137,990
ALL-WHEEL DRIVE
EST. DELIVERY OCT - NOV 2024
DUAL MOTOR ALL-WHEEL DRIVE
512 KM. RANGE (EST.)
4.3 SEC. 0-100 KPH
180 KM/H TOP SPEED
600 HORSEPOWER
10,080 NM TORQUE
4,990 KG. TOWING CAPACITY

$165,990
CYBERBEAST
EST. DELIVERY OCT - NOV 2024
TRI MOTOR ALL-WHEEL DRIVE
484 KM. RANGE (EST.)
2.7 SEC. 0-100 KPH†
209 KM/H TOP SPEED
845 HORSEPOWER
13,960 NM TORQUE
4,990 KG. TOWING CAPACITY

$165 is C8 Z06 money, I think I'd rather have the corvette. And keep my beater long box nbs silverado 2500HD to do truck things.

[Badhobz]

165k is Aston Martin vantage money. Or used beetle.

[bcrdukes]

Or broken beetle.

Fixt for you.

[red kryptonite]

https://i.imgur.com/Y2uYH0F.jpeg

Spotted one at Aberdeen with temp WA plates

not sure if its the same one, but spotted one here on the island also with WA pates. not sure why people keep sayings its huge and obnoxious. it fits inside the parking stall (those aberdeen spots are small) and doesnt look that much bigger than the lexus behind it.

[Harvey Specter]

Great way to piss away your money. Probably smarter to take your $150k+ and buy Tesla stock.