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How's it compare with the S2000, what're your impressions there?
So bear in mind my S2000 was highly modified, with coilovers, tuned engine, exhaust, and so on.
Just to save the time for those who don't want to read: S2000 is the better experience, BRZ is the better car.
The S2000 wins in the top down experience, the engine, and possibly the transmission. The raw feeling of the car, the VTEC crossover, the overall feeling - the S2000 is truly a special car. The early models, like what I have, also have this frisson of mortality every time you drive it hard as it has no safety nets beyond your own driver skill. The engine and the transmission is better than the BRZ. For a top down, exhilarating drive, hard to beat this car.
The BRZ is the far better and modern vehicle, as you would expect from a vehicle designed 15 years after the S2000. The interior is larger, as it is a 2+2, and the seating position is better because of the fully adjustable steering column. The chassis is better than the S2000, as it is far stiffer and modern, and the steering is better. The FA24 of the 2nd gen is much better than the FA20 of the 1st gen - in fact I refused to consider the 1st gen at all because of the engine. Having Carplay and a backup camera is also quite nice lol. The sound system is trash though, even if the tS is supposed to have the "upgraded premium" system. The stock exhaust and engine sound is also quite uninspiring. Subaru tractor noises.
Being able to carry a full set of wheels/tires, tools, and luggage for track days was also a big consideration for me as it was very limiting in the S2000 in terms of what I could carry with me when I went for multi-day track trips (VIMC or Ridge, for example). I haven't had the chance to drive the car on track or auto-x yet as I am still getting used to it, but I had a chance to drive it on the ice at Barnes Lake and the BRZ/86 is a far friendlier chassis than the S2000. The car really lets you know what is going on via your butt and hands, and you can control the chassis so easily and hold it at the limit. With no experience, I could toss the car into a turn on the ice and just hold an angle as desired. The S2000 comparatively will bite you once you step over the edge if you don't catch it in that split second you have to react, and the limit with my modified S2000 was so high that it took a LOT to hit the limit but once it did go over it really went over. I've spun the S2000 multiple times at auto-x, and had many brown pants moments on track.
I look forward to driving the BRZ on track when my new summer wheels show up, I think it will be much more confidence inspiring and much better as a learning platform for me than the S2000 was. Plus, the running costs should be lower than the S2000 as parts are plentiful and cheap, and do not carry the rarity tax of the S2000 parts catalog these days.
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Damn, not only is yours veiny AF, yours is thick AF too. Yours is twice as thick as mine.. That looks like a 2" or maybe even 3"?
the BRZ/86 is a far friendlier chassis than the S2000. The car really lets you know what is going on via your butt and hands, and you can control the chassis so easily and hold it at the limit. With no experience, I could toss the car into a turn on the ice and just hold an angle as desired. The S2000 comparatively will bite you once you step over the edge if you don't catch it in that split second you have to react, and the limit with my modified S2000 was so high that it took a LOT to hit the limit but once it did go over it really went over. I've spun the S2000 multiple times at auto-x, and had many brown pants moments on track.
That sounds pretty good to me!
I could never feel much from my AP1 either, after so many years of driving it on track. The best investments I made were a massive front sway bar and stuffing the fenders full of R-compound. Just to push away the limit, as an avoidance thing. For fear that I wouldn't be able to catch the next sudden step-out, and have the car spin me into the wall.
Having communication through the chassis, a wide band of controllability leading up to the limit, and a sustainable slip angle sounds like a lot of fun .
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I need to be reliably within 10-15mins of a baked pork chops rice with lemon tea.
Wife said no more convertibles. I also don't fit incredibly well into a ND. The Miata is fun, but to get it ready for track I would need quite a few supporting mods (coilovers, BBK [Miata stock Brembos don't hold up that well compared to the tS Brembos as the Miata Brembos use essentially the same rotors and the rear is still sliding caliper/solid disc. BRZ tS Brembos rotors gain over an inch for each end, and have 4 piston/2 piston F/R calipers], rollbar for certain tracks - this last one is a biggie, and the RF top is not structural)
I would have wanted a ND2 or ND3 and those are still somewhat pricey as well.
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Being able to carry a full set of wheels/tires, tools, and luggage for track days was also a big consideration for me as it was very limiting in the S2000 in terms of what I could carry with me when I went for multi-day track trips (VIMC or Ridge, for example).
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Damn, not only is yours veiny AF, yours is thick AF too. Yours is twice as thick as mine.. That looks like a 2" or maybe even 3"?
I test drove a 2024 Subaru BRZ tS and the one thing that drove me absolutely nuts was the turn signal stalk.
It's the stupid bullshit Lexus/BMW style one where you have to half click it in the opposite direction to cancel the turn signal.
The 2025 model that I factory ordered reverted back to the original turn signal stalk. Also it was a "sport" button where it increases the throttle sensitivity, which I believe is the OEM GR86 throttle mapping.
Definitely one of the best modern analog sports car in today's time.
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wtf did she get some bolt-on titties or what?
they look sooooooooooo much bigger than they were 2ish years ago.
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I can't stand the sound of Mandarin either. Boo yow nee bey nee shing bo now noong gey shee mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo mayo.
This Sarah-n-Tuned channel is underrated. She goes to enthusiast level detail similarly to how SavageGeese does it: "here's the knuckle in aluminum"; "this Hitachi rear damper over here was tuned by tS, though it doesn't look something out of an STI catalog..."; "this resonator's actually a carry-over from the standard BRZ"; *whips out a caliper* "look at this rear sway bar measuring in at 14 mm, mounted inverse from the GR86".
She does cool restomod builds too: like a 2UZ V8 swapped 1974 RA71 Celica.
Apparently was an aircraft mechanic with the air force, in a previous life, which explains the attention to detail.
This Sarah-n-Tuned channel is underrated. She goes to enthusiast level detail similarly to how SavageGeese does it: "here's the knuckle in aluminum"; "this Hitachi rear damper over here was tuned by tS, though it doesn't look something out of an STI catalog..."; "this resonator's actually a carry-over from the standard BRZ"; *whips out a caliper* "look at this rear sway bar measuring in at 14 mm, mounted inverse from the GR86".
She does cool restomod builds too: like a 2UZ V8 swapped 1974 RA71 Celica.
Apparently was an aircraft mechanic with the air force, in a previous life, which explains the attention to detail.
I like how technical she gets but she's a bit of an awkward gal - maybe I just like the dry sarcasm of SavageGeese and the humour of Throttle House better. I'm glad there's a nerdy girl out there talking cars though.
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1min15sec in.. all i see is boobies.... is this right?
I find these channels' technical detail kinda trends to different layers of abstraction though.
SavageGeese tends to go on about manufacturer product strategy, and engineering goals, cost / marketing tradeoffs, that kinda thing. Dealership / customer experience.
Sarah n Tuned talks about stuff like how many inches of clearance there is between the cylinder head and the frame rail, how there's a straight shot at the firewall right to the transmission bell housing for ease of accessibility, and how the starter motor's up top. Because she works with her hands, and her content's more targeted to the DIY wrenching crowd.
And then Throttle House seems to be more into the driving experience.
So I wind up watching it all lol
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I need to be reliably within 10-15mins of a baked pork chops rice with lemon tea.
I still find savage geese reviews kinda awkward and weird with the poetic stuff they try to do. TFL and Everyday Driver is pretty good but they mainly do new cars, TFL Every Day Driver occasionally buys used cars I would be interested in like G Wagon, I8, 997, 996. But hoovies is still the best with roll the dice sight unseen weird cars.
So you are doing worse than dark by being 31k in the hole?
You said you were gonna part out or were you just gonna sell it whole? How's that coming along?
I guess you could put it that way.
The part out is slowly happening. The offers for the whole car were too low to take, so I will be disassembling the S2000 bit by bit. Lots of people have claimed parts that they are interested in lol.
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Damn, not only is yours veiny AF, yours is thick AF too. Yours is twice as thick as mine.. That looks like a 2" or maybe even 3"?
^hes cool but I find it hard to watch cus its too long, his stuff is usually over 30min, like do I really want to watch a 30+ min video on a 2026 Camry.
Redline's videos are a bit dry and formulaic, but it does the job for NPC car shoppers trying to learn more about everyday cars. I do find the 30-minute content a bit long as a chronic car-review watcher, but the videos become helpful when I am helping people research cars.
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