Modern job hunting

[N.V.M.]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

I'm so happy I'm just a dumb tradie who doesn't have to answer bullshit questions with inspirational answers just to get a job lol

same. the shit in this thread.

[JDMDreams]

Where do you see yourself in 5 years

[68style]

Grand overlord of the country of Alberta

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Where do you see yourself in 5 years

I've almost never been asked this ever

[whitev70r]

If it's government sector, be prepared for question, 'What can you do to foster inclusivity?' ... then your answer should include some BS about Indigenous, visible minority (in Vancouver meaning white people), LBGT2XXX, etc.

[JDMDreams]

^ but shareholder value

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

I'm so happy I'm just a dumb tradie who doesn't have to answer bullshit questions with inspirational answers just to get a job lol

Other than the comment about "inspiration" I'd have to agree with the rest of what Hehe says about what the hiring manager is looking for - it's largely the same stuff I coach my clients on (and which is landing them jobs). As a hiring manager I don't really give a shit about your personal story or your passions - I care about whether you can fix the problem I have on my team first and foremost.

Interviewing can be pretty performative in tech (and adjacent industries) though - most companies do a really shitty job of interviewing so they dump a whole of bunch useless shit on the candidate (here's a take-home assignment that we want you to only spend 2 hours on but you'll really spend 16 hours on) that has no material impact on whether you can do the job or not.

Getting the job SHOULD be harder than doing the job but there's a lot of bullshit attached to it especially in a shaky job market.

Originally Posted by noclue

For those in tech that got a new job, did you go up in TC or take a hit?

My clients who landed jobs in Q1 didn't take cuts in TC - the best case one got a $50k raise, the worst case broke even (by choice). However if you're coming from big tech (AMZN, MSFT etc) then you can expect to take a cut if you're staying in Vancouver. Folks in SF are taking much bigger hits though - like the Google Director who was jobless for 9 months who ended up at EA as a Director (he likely took a 50% cut or more).

[GS8]

I've got stories on this subject matter. Could even make me an SME...

Won't share them here though. PM is fine.

[RabidRat]

It's kinda counterproductive to rail against Hehe's take.

In the same way that success in the workplace is finding a way to make your boss succeed, success at an interview is explaining to the hiring panel how you're going to make them succeed.

"I put in X years and therefore I deserve Y" probably makes a lot of sense in a protected (unionized) industry, but I don't think we're all lucky enough to have landed in an industry like that.

For the rest of us, we can keep complaining about how rigged the game is, or we can play the game to our advantage. Complaining feels real good, but the good feels aren't going to put any food on the table.

[TypeRNammer]

Youngest person that got hired was 20 years old at CMBC as a driver

The oldest person from my knowledge was my classmate 62 years of age, I believe he's 72 now

Ironically enough, it's easier to get hired here than McDonald's

[Tapioca]

Tech-bros live in a completely different world when it comes to compensation, working conditions, etc.

At the end of the day, it's who you know and how you present yourself which gets your foot in the door, good times and bad.

On another note, there's been lots of coverage about young people's struggles in the job market. I went to a retail store over the weekend that was staffed by non-TFW young people. I asked a simple question about a product line and the difference between a sale product vs one at regular price. The first young person seemed afraid and couldn't answer my question. Fortunately, there was someone else more senior who could answer my question.

I don't want to be hard on young people, but you should know the products you're selling and be able to have a conversation with customers. Maybe you could blame poor training by the management team at the store, but on the other hand, I've had enough interactions with young people who don't seem comfortable talking to people in front of them. It seems like a widespread problem. In an age of AI, human authenticity is going to be the only thing that sets people apart from the agents. And if young people can't have a conversation with other humans and show their personality, they're truly doomed.

[Badhobz]

yes thats what i wanted to say as well, but my field is also from outer space and one that nobody can relate to.

Not sure how the average schmoe is doing, but it cant be good cuz these kids arent working at all.

I was thinking there might be easy answers like : garbage man, cityhall worker, bank teller, etc but i think even those jobs are few and far between.

[bcrdukes]

Last 6 weeks of job applications:
CMBC bus driver - Insta-rejected
McDonalds - No call back for interview
Rona and Home Depot - Hiring for seasonal roles completed
Pfaff BMW parts delivery - No automotive experience.. Rejected.

It's rough out there.

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

yes thats what i wanted to say as well, but my field is also from outer space and one that nobody can relate to.

Not sure how the average schmoe is doing, but it cant be good cuz these kids arent working at all.

I was thinking there might be easy answers like : garbage man, cityhall worker, bank teller, etc but i think even those jobs are few and far between.

For the average schmoe who's in between jobs, I'm seeing lots of opportunities for gig work. So many people these days are willing to pay money to have their dogs walked, to have their houses cleaned, and for general handyman services.

[68style]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Last 6 weeks of job applications:
CMBC bus driver - Insta-rejected
McDonalds - No call back for interview
Rona and Home Depot - Hiring for seasonal roles completed
Pfaff BMW parts delivery - No automotive experience.. Rejected.

It's rough out there.

It's cuz your resume is written in crayon

[JDMDreams]

Amazon delivery? Why's my prime taking 2 days instead of overnight

[yray]

just lease a lezbaru and be a uber driver

[SSM_DC5]

Wouldn't the overages on mileage destroy the $500 deal for leasing?

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Last 6 weeks of job applications:
CMBC bus driver - Insta-rejected
McDonalds - No call back for interview
Rona and Home Depot - Hiring for seasonal roles completed
Pfaff BMW parts delivery - No automotive experience.. Rejected.

It's rough out there.

Stamped on application: "Over qualified"

[teggy604]

Originally Posted by Tapioca

For the average schmoe who's in between jobs, I'm seeing lots of opportunities for gig work. So many people these days are willing to pay money to have their dogs walked, to have their houses cleaned, and for general handyman services.

Not as easy. Even those jobs you need some education. It maybe a couple week course or month course. Then you still gotta compete with all the other experienced people.

Most people that get into city know someone, and if you get in you ain't doing no garbage man. You will be doing some grunt work for many years before you even have enough senority to be a garbage man. lol.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

Stamped on application: "Over qualified"

What qualifications are you referring to?

If I had any, I'd be an Amazon engineer and driving an X5.

[JDMDreams]

^^ you can be a Amazon delivery driving a Benz, what about Costco? You can buy all the Pokemon cards and off white and resell??? Profit

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by teggy604

Not as easy. Even those jobs you need some education. It maybe a couple week course or month course. Then you still gotta compete with all the other experienced people.

Most people that get into city know someone, and if you get in you ain't doing no garbage man. You will be doing some grunt work for many years before you even have enough senority to be a garbage man. lol.

I think you meant to reply to a different post and not mine.

You have people in this thread talking about half-million TC packages like it's nothing, while there are others who are fighting for getting a job as a unionized bus driver or garbage man making 70-80K/year.

Sh*ts wild man.

[Badhobz]

these tech bro's are all insane, lets leave them alone.

Just thinking about all you guys with kids (soon to be entering the work force) what sort of jobs are even available to these kids? Or if you were a middle aged man (40+) looking for a career change, what sort of opportunities are available out there?

One guy i know, isnt doing that well and was trying to find a second gig to supplement his income and couldnt find jack shit. His day job is some plant supervisor (70k a year), but between his insane mortgage, his wife who doesnt do jack shit (shes disabled or something), and his 4 kids + 2 dogs, he's totally boned. Gotten so bad that he contemplated killing himself a few times. I told him he would leave his kids destitute and thats not the fucking answer.

He was going to downsize the house (living in a townhouse that was 1.2 mill) but with the prices of homes right now, he says the market value for his place was around 800-900k and he cant stomach that kind of loss. I really feel for the guy, but what can i do. I threw him a few postings for BC ferries and shit but the only thing that he can do is some lousy uber eats that pays jack squat.

[bcrdukes]

Hey! What I shared with you was in confidence and you publicly shared this on a forum? How dare you!?!?!?!?