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Old 01-05-2016, 03:47 PM   #1
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yeah finished the first season! This could happen here as well just depends on how currupt the system wants to be!
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Watched it over the weekend. Have spent the last 2 days reading more about it including forums with tons of back and forth between lawyers and investigators giving their opinions. There are a few things that weren't included in the doc, and i guess the complete videos of the interrogations are available to watch, and apparently they don't look quite as bad as they show in the doc.

You have to always remember that any documentary will be written from one point of view, regardless of its attempts to be unbias. That is almost unavoidable given different parties agreeing to, or not wanting to, be part of it.

At the end of the day, regardless of whether you think they are did it or not, there seems to be overwhelming evidence that should at least give them a new trial in a different jurisdiction. I mean, for fuck sakes 2 of the jurors had clear conflicts of interest, and those were 2 of the 3 who strong armed the 7 who were saying not guilty into changing their minds. The prosecution did not prove beyond all reasonable doubt that they did it. And so much of the evidence provided was either proven, or strongly suspected of being bullshit, including both cops lying under oath, and collusion from Brendans lawyer with the prosecution. The problem is, now Steve blew his whole wad on the first defense, he would have no hope with an appointed attorney.

Theres just so much fuckery in the whole thing. You couldn't write a story that complicated if you wanted to.



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just blew through 3 episodes of this, it's so ridiculous it almost seems fictional

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watched 2 episodes so far...it's pretty addicting but
all i remember is that guy apparently does not wear underwear
that and the cops had something like 8 days of uninterrupted access to the Avery property during the Halbach investigation, the very same cops that hate the shit out of this family


i haven't had time to sit down and watch it but someone recommended the "Serial" podcast so i've been listening to that on my drive to work

if i get the chance i'll probably binge both this weekend
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^ one of my cousins recommended that "serial" podcast to me as well. going to have to give it a listen.
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here's some points that weren't discussed in favor of the prosecution side

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a couple points on the bullet and key.

1: the bullet was found by an officer who was not supposed to be part of the investigation.... FIVE MONTHS after the garage was initially searched top to bottom, with everything in it being searched and presto, theres one magic bullet laying around.

also, as the story goes, steven killed her in his garage, meaning he shot her at very close range, so there would have been blood everywhere. steven was some how so smart and thorough that he spit polished the garage so well they couldn't even find a drop of blood anywhere (and keep in mind this was a cluttered junk shed, not a clean garage), but he was too stupid to pick up the bullet he killed her with?

edit: also from what i understand, the bullet itself wasn't linked to averys gun. only the 11 empty shells were.

2: the key, which again, was found by that same officer who was not supposed to be part of the investigation, several days after the bedroom had been searched several times, including the bed stand being moved, and the whole thing being photographed and videotaped, and suddenly its right there in the open? have you ever lost your keys? are they ever in the place you looked 4 times before?

secondly, the man we all assume is dumb as shit, was able to spit polish the bedroom and garage so thoroughly there was no DNA or blood in either, but somehow forgot to do something with the key instead of leaving it out in the open.

thirdly, im fairly certain i read somewhere it was proven to be a spare key, not her main key. and who only has a car key on their keychain, not a house key or any other key?

fourth, how can a key that someone is supposed to use everyday to drive their car not contain ANY DNA aside from the dna of the guy who allegedly killed her.


and to bring them both together, the officer who found both of those pieces of evidence, was not supposed to be involved in the investigation, lied under oath and was caught, very likely snuck onto the property (as shown by the logs), was being named in the law suit by steven avery, was in the chain of custody of his DNA, and was involved in his other wrongful conviction.


ah hell, ill keep going


so the blood found in her car was supposed to be from the cut on his hand right? so if his cut finger left blood in the car, he couldn't have been wearing gloves, right? k then why are there no finger prints? so he was smart enough to wear gloves to not leave finger prints on anything, anywhere. but he was too stupid to wipe up blood?

also, 3 of 6 spots of blood were tested, not all 6. and the bigger smear in the trunk apparently came from hair.



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I totally agree with you, i just wanted to point out the other side since a documentary can edit anything towards their own agenda.

I don't believe steven or brendan killed her, they just don't have the iq capacity to clean up a crime scene. prosecution claims she was shot 11 times, no blood splatter on any of the junk pile in the garage, no blood found in the crack on the floor, how's that possible?

also if they raped her and slashed her throat, I find it almost impossible to not find any blood, i think the floor was carpeted too.

why the f didn't the cops investigate the ex bf or roommate? they look guilty as fuck

so many things that were f'd up in this investigation, the system is messed, the same judge for the appeals court, ha laughable
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Does it get better after the first 2 episodes? I feel like they could have been condensed into one 40 min episode... Maybe my expectations were too high

I agree if you like this you'll love Serial. That was so good.

I'll give ep 3 a go tonight, but so far I'm not that intrigued.
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^ To be honest with you, I fell asleep in the first 3 episodes.

It DOES get much better, though. I couldn't stop after it picked up.
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I know this was filmed over a 10yr period, video footage, audio they state is all real, however I keep noticing when the camera goes to film the reporters, they all look like shitty actors. Did they go back film these reporters with their actors? I couldn't find anything on the web regarding this
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Does it get better after the first 2 episodes? I feel like they could have been condensed into one 40 min episode... Maybe my expectations were too high

I agree if you like this you'll love Serial. That was so good.

I'll give ep 3 a go tonight, but so far I'm not that intrigued.
watching it condensed on cnn's coverage may be the way to go for many, it does get a bit more interesting albeit slowly.

police bending the rules, planting evidence, or colluding with one another (even with defense lawyers) isn't exactly uncommon, even here... but this case wow! and to have it uncovered like this, definitely worth the watch

if you're not into these sorts of investigative shows, or reading case files, then yeah stick to the coverage on tv :0
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I know this was filmed over a 10yr period, video footage, audio they state is all real, however I keep noticing when the camera goes to film the reporters, they all look like shitty actors. Did they go back film these reporters with their actors? I couldn't find anything on the web regarding this
Reporters have got to be ready to go on camera any time. They were the real reporters on site. So they had their make up and everything done at all times during.
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the halbach murder was all a set up to throw avery back into jail. avery was thrown into jail for 18 years for a crime he did not commit which means the police department failed big time, not only costing an innocent man 18 years of his life, but also letting the real rapist walk free. they cant just let avery walk free so they fabricated this whole thing up and screw him over once again to save themselves face.

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wait, so what happened to Kratz?
- as a district attorney he was sexting his client
- others come up accusing him of sexual harassment
- he essentially blackmails the DOJ with his clout in the Avery case
and then he just resigns and leaves?...

also, with the arguments of whether Avery is innocent or not, whether the documentary was too one-sided, none of that matters because the the point of the whole documentary was to highlight the failings of the criminal justice system. Regardless of Avery's innocence, he shouldn't be in jail because there are so many conflicts of interest and inconsistencies with the prosecutor's evidence and testimonies. There is no way a case with that many holes in it proves a man is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.


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