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RRxtar · 07-29-2008, 07:18 PM

a crash cage might help save your bike in a crash, but it will also CAUSE a crash if you're trying to ride agressively with one. a stunter buddy of mine came out for a knee dragger ride and went down because his cage hit the ground in a corner and leavered his back wheel off the ground.

sure frame sliders might catch a crack in the road and bend your frame, or they might dig in and flip your bike over causing more damage or whatever ifs and maybes everyone likes to say, but i would say 4 out of 5 times they will save more damage than they will cause. if you're already in an epic highside or high speed lowside, you're lucky if you're going to get out with anything less than a broken case cover, fairings, clip ons, leavers, rearsets, shifters, etc. but for those 'woops' that we all have from time to time, they will keep you from denting your frame, cracking a case cover, or if you're lucky, even from busting a fairing.

$50 and an hour install > potential ~$500 and weeks of downtime.

6thGear. · 07-29-2008, 08:35 PM

taken from freestyle ingenuity site

If you desire to do deep cornering, simply remove the side struts and loop leaving the extended sliders to continue protecting the bike.

with the exception of that, cages do prevail over sliders. im sorry, but your friend should have known better and taken the sliders off before coming out for your ride, especially if he knew there was gonna be some knee dragging. but i hope your buddy is ok though.

RRxtar · 07-30-2008, 09:04 PM

how is the cage going to save your bike when they are sitting in your garage?

see what im saying?

i agree with you that a cage is obviously going to protect your bike better than sliders for stunting or around town. but they arent practical for really riding

6thGear. · 07-30-2008, 09:59 PM

your right. they aren't practical for real riding...unfortunately a lot of guys aren't really doing knee dragging around here. we're talking maybe 1 in 10 riders who can drag the knee (and im being generous with the number here). i think the real problem is new riders getting a too powerful of a bike to start and while still learning throttle control, forget to concentrate on balance and next thing they know they drop it. so a cage would benefit them definitely or

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a smaller bike.

Noizz · 07-30-2008, 10:39 PM

Hey guys, this happened to me over a week ago

my first crash

in the end, i tore down my bike and i happen to just check my tire pressure out of curiosity, it was at 38.5 psi cold! FUCK...... i made such a noob mistake, if i had ran 30 like i was supposed to, i would have had a much better feel sliding out the rear...... opposed to the .2 seconds i had to react once i lost the rear.

posted over on 600rr.net

Hey guys, my first track day was freaking awesome.... until i crashed that is...

it was during my hot lap, 5th session, passed 2 people and caught up to the last guy, then powering out of a hairpin, i just lost the rear, drifted the tire to the point where i was 45 degrees to the left, corrected it, as soon as the bike fixed it's line it flipped me up and it highsided, landed on the right side and slid to the grass.

i should of just drifted it out and lowsided, but my instincts caught me thinking i could recover it.

i was doing about 90km/hr, landed on my elbow and right palm, and slid on my left shoulder. nothing broken, but damn! it was actually fun as i was airborne and when i landed, then i realized SH*T i fell, and wasn't so happy no more...

stock tires suck balls, and i overdid it on my part. i had a bad feeling about the track day too, my gf and my mom both also felt something wrong that day. i remember thinking about what would happen if i fell off first couple sessions too... and it happened!

but i can't wait to go back next year, for now i'm going to spend the rest of the year modding it.

shogun no-cuts w/ the swingarm kit totally saved my bike, proof is in the pudding, no scratches on the swing arm, and the frame sliders work damn well, it was just bad luck my bike landed front end first

heres some pictures

Noizz · 07-30-2008, 10:39 PM

after the crash

videos:
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Noizz · 07-30-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 6thGear.

your right. they aren't practical for real riding...unfortunately a lot of guys aren't really doing knee dragging around here. we're talking maybe 1 in 10 riders who can drag the knee (and im being generous with the number here). i think the real problem is new riders getting a too powerful of a bike to start and while still learning throttle control, forget to concentrate on balance and next thing they know they drop it. so a cage would benefit them definitely or

My sliders held up great on my minor highside as you guys can see!

but its safe to say when you see 95% of the bikes you see out there with 1-2 inch chicken strips, while they have crazy ass mods like akra exhausts, ohlins, wave rotors....

i seriouesly have no intention of going back on street...... its so much hassle with five-oh everywhere.... i got a warning last time up at cypress, and cars that don't think you exist while you burn in the hot sun stuck in traffic. THE TRACK IS WHERE ITS AT, IF YOU BUY A SPORTBIKE AND YOU DON"T TRACK, ITS LIKE GETTING A PORNSTAR AND NOT SCREWING HER

also most cages are steel w/ aluminum pucks, i think it can be worse than a slider because metals "catch" the pavement and can end up flipping the bike, whereas the delrin plastics are strong and meant to grind away

CRiXy · 07-31-2008, 12:56 AM

Sorry to hear about your RR, but at least you got to race your bike!

Get race fairings for next time, much cheaper.

fizz3r · 07-31-2008, 03:47 PM

Today... ouch. Low speed lowside from an oil slick. Props to the guy who got out of his car to help me get my bike up.

Guy_LikeWhoa · 07-31-2008, 03:51 PM

^ or just remove them altogether lol

ecsw · 07-31-2008, 05:57 PM

wait, crash or drop or accident or hitting someone also count?

I have done them all when I was 17. Glad I am still alive.

6thGear. · 07-31-2008, 09:31 PM

lol. i laugh when i see those chicken strips on nice new bikes with nice parts on it. im wanting to go tracking soon, cause anymore rubbing of my tires is gonna have to be done on the track. what are your stock tires? to each there own about cages and pucks really. its a no win debate really. of course i would never have a cage if i tracked, but its great to see your sliders holding up. did you ride or tow your bike to the track? i gotta say though, ballsy on tracking your new RR. glad your ok.

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Originally Posted by Noizz

My sliders held up great on my minor highside as you guys can see!

but its safe to say when you see 95% of the bikes you see out there with 1-2 inch chicken strips, while they have crazy ass mods like akra exhausts, ohlins, wave rotors....

i seriouesly have no intention of going back on street...... its so much hassle with five-oh everywhere.... i got a warning last time up at cypress, and cars that don't think you exist while you burn in the hot sun stuck in traffic. THE TRACK IS WHERE ITS AT, IF YOU BUY A SPORTBIKE AND YOU DON"T TRACK, ITS LIKE GETTING A PORNSTAR AND NOT SCREWING HER

also most cages are steel w/ aluminum pucks, i think it can be worse than a slider because metals "catch" the pavement and can end up flipping the bike, whereas the delrin plastics are strong and meant to grind away

Noizz · 08-01-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 6thGear.

lol. i laugh when i see those chicken strips on nice new bikes with nice parts on it. im wanting to go tracking soon, cause anymore rubbing of my tires is gonna have to be done on the track. what are your stock tires? to each there own about cages and pucks really. its a no win debate really. of course i would never have a cage if i tracked, but its great to see your sliders holding up. did you ride or tow your bike to the track? i gotta say though, ballsy on tracking your new RR. glad your ok.

i rode it down there with 2 buddies on bikes and 2 more in a car. the car carried all the tools and stuff. race plastics going on next year, along with a new brembo master cylinder cas mine got fucked.

i ran the bt012's? too lazy to run down and check, but it had tears in the mid section, and it was plugged as well. its not so much the crappy tire that let me down, but i know there are much better tires out there, i find myself stepping out the back quite often when i street. diablo corsa III's here i come!

i can't wait till next season, but if u want to get into tracking, i highly sugggest getting a dedicated track bike, and running a street on the side if u love it. i want a ducati monster, but its not cheap have 2 bikes, and plus getting a trailer to get the track bike there, tire warmers, lap timers....

thinking of just cutting out one headlight for the bike so i can still street it when i want to next season.

CRiXy · 08-01-2008, 01:25 AM

I was gonna track my 636 Ninja this year but decided I wanted to get a smaller bike and race that first. Too bad I still can't find an 08 250R or I'd hit the track this month.

6thGear. · 08-01-2008, 05:41 PM

i got the diablo corsa III's as well, awesome tires. it won't last as long as pilot powers, but i think its a good trade off. performance over longevity. so far, this is my dilemma. i want a track only bike, but i don't have the cash to have 2 bikes, payment on my car, a trailer(and a vehicle to tow it), or what i recently found out, a cargo van, which actually has enough space to haul 2 bikes, also not to mention, no space. i either continue to street it or track it only. my latest idea is buying a written off bike from the chop shop and turn it into a track bike. it will probably cost me roughly $5000-$6000, depending on the cost of the bike. but then i get stuck with how to transport it. i recently almost bought a ysr50 to take it mini road racing. my roadblock really is transporting it to the track. everything else i can work around it.

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Originally Posted by Noizz

i rode it down there with 2 buddies on bikes and 2 more in a car. the car carried all the tools and stuff. race plastics going on next year, along with a new brembo master cylinder cas mine got fucked.

i ran the bt012's? too lazy to run down and check, but it had tears in the mid section, and it was plugged as well. its not so much the crappy tire that let me down, but i know there are much better tires out there, i find myself stepping out the back quite often when i street. diablo corsa III's here i come!

i can't wait till next season, but if u want to get into tracking, i highly sugggest getting a dedicated track bike, and running a street on the side if u love it. i want a ducati monster, but its not cheap have 2 bikes, and plus getting a trailer to get the track bike there, tire warmers, lap timers....

thinking of just cutting out one headlight for the bike so i can still street it when i want to next season.

RRxtar · 08-04-2008, 06:45 PM

diablo IIIs are great tires. a very good mix of street and track tire.

nammerstar · 09-01-2008, 02:28 PM

almost wipe out again, doing a u-turn, too much throttle, back tire spun, lol,

Biggs · 09-03-2008, 06:42 PM

I was lucky my cruiser has giant pegs that they propped the bike up =)

Happened in my underground parkade when I was doing figure 8's

RRxtar · 09-03-2008, 08:07 PM

i damn near dropped my bike the other day being a jackass. haha

my underground parking has that super smooth sealed concrete. so sometimes when i pull in there i give it alittle throttle and lay an epic drift thru the corner. the other day i did it and had a little too much speed when i got to my stall so i got on the brakes (front) hard and locked it up instantly and the bars hit full lock and the front wheel slid sideways for abit. i held the bike up with my foot supermoto style.

if anyone saw they would have given me an 8/10 for style points. or pointed and laughed.

Machi604 · 09-04-2008, 07:51 AM

I dropped my bike coming off the driveway, forgetting the kickstand was still down

such a noob mistake.. wasn't easy to pick up the bike though

Guy_LikeWhoa · 09-04-2008, 04:02 PM

I hope i never drop mine..... *fingers crossed*

6thGear. · 09-04-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy_LikeWhoa

I hope i never drop mine..... *fingers crossed*

theres 2 types of riders, those who've been down.......and those who are going down. and yes, i've been down before.

Minata · 09-29-2008, 04:40 PM

i think that i will drop bikes more than anyone will ever have in their life!
just learning to ride on a school bike - 20 times or more?
on my own - only been out on it 3-4 times...and i've dropped it twice already (first time, stopped right at a speed bump by instinct and lost balance; second time, tipped over at a stop sign because i looked down on the ground) .. the bike is an 08 250 ninja.
im starting to get discouraged....

any words of comfort??
the bike is a bit tall for me, i am tip toeing on it. so i am actually very nervous when i am on my bike because i am always afraid that i will screw up when i come to a stop.
learning to ride has been a really huge challenge for me...i feel as if i'm not meant for it

everytime i build up a little more confidence, something always happens that takes away my confidence.
i'm thinking of getting lowering links - do you guys think that it would help??

6thGear. · 09-29-2008, 05:13 PM

its ok. when i was learning at action. i dropped the stupid honda rebel every 5 mins. no joking!! i hated that thing. but i felt it helped me immensely because it got me to learn the boundaries of a motorcycle during low speed, what i had to do to make it turn sharply while doing walking speed. if you feel your getting discouraged, go to a parking lot and redo all the stuff you learned in school, bring an experienced friend with you to help. practice your low speeds all over again, your duck walking, etc. tip toeing on your bike isn't that bad, i do that on my 06 gsxr600, and im 5'5. so if i can do that, theres no excuse for you, other that practice, practice, practice. learn to adjust your body on the bike so when you come to a stop, you can flat foot on your left side. parking lot is your best friend. but more importantly, relax!!! the more tense you are the harder it is for your muscles to do its job for you. besides, you should be having fun on the bike, not scared shitless of it

Good_KarMa · 09-29-2008, 09:05 PM

Wow 20 times? I'll go for a ride with you and give you some tips if you need some. I think your biggest problem is the fear of riding a bike. You just need to relax. Muscle vs bike, in the end the bike always wins. Try squeezing the gas tank with your knees if you start tensing up.

Don't be discourage! Dropping the bike helps you learn what not to do.