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01-04-2009, 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DemonsBlood  since coming back from Hong Kong for the winter holidays, i can really say that our metro system is like crap compared to the Hong Kong one in almost every way possible. First of all, why don't we have freaking subways...I understand that in Richmond we cannot have subways because of the land in which it resides on, hence no basements, but in van there should be a subway. Then all of this weather junk won't affect it. Plus they have the octopus card which is like a prepaid fare card that you reload. It costs about 12 HKD ( less than 2 dollars Canadian ) to get from "Tai Wo" in Kowloon Tong, which is like the part close to the China boarder to "Tong Lor Wan" which is in Hong Kong Island. Bascially to get from the top of the Hong Kong map to the bottem it takes me roughly 45 minutes...not bad. | Because we have roads where ppl can drive their cars. And transit is a huge money pit. You think our system breaks even?  Not by a long shot.
Here's what I googled: They were studying our transit.. http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....6-16b1daa54bd6 Quote:
• TransLink operating cost in 2005 was $724,788,000. Transit fares cover $285,520,000. The rest is subsidy from fuel taxes which cover $254,628,000 and property taxes which cover $216,824,000. Note that fares cover less than 40% of the operating costs and none of the fixed costs.  | Quote:
Originally Posted by DemonsBlood I actually have no problem with having to carry a prepaid card to use the skytrain if that means improving the transit system a good amount!! | Wow, what sacrifice!  The truth is.. if everyone was willing to pay $10-20 per trip, you could get a nice system throughout the city. We don't have enough ppl, everyone drives instead, and we're way too spread out.
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01-04-2009, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by goo3 Because we have roads where ppl can drive their cars. And transit is a huge money pit. You think our system breaks even? Not by a long shot.
Here's what I googled: They were studying our transit.. http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....6-16b1daa54bd6
Wow, what sacrifice! The truth is.. if everyone was willing to pay $10-20 per trip, you could get a nice system throughout the city. We don't have enough ppl, everyone drives instead, and we're way too spread out. |
ok, so whats your point? EVERY public transit system in the world is run on subsidies. its provided as a service to the public, not as a profit maximizing venture.
the issue here is that translink isn't using the money efficiently. don't give them excuses to be complacent.
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01-04-2009, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by DemonsBlood since coming back from Hong Kong for the winter holidays, i can really say that our metro system is like crap compared to the Hong Kong one in almost every way possible. First of all, why don't we have freaking subways...I understand that in Richmond we cannot have subways because of the land in which it resides on, hence no basements, but in van there should be a subway. Then all of this weather junk won't affect it. Plus they have the octopus card which is like a prepaid fare card that you reload. It costs about 12 HKD ( less than 2 dollars Canadian ) to get from "Tai Wo" in Kowloon Tong, which is like the part close to the China boarder to "Tong Lor Wan" which is in Hong Kong Island. Bascially to get from the top of the Hong Kong map to the bottem it takes me roughly 45 minutes...not bad. I actually have no problem with having to carry a prepaid card to use the skytrain if that means improving the transit system a good amount!! | Comparing transit between HK and Vancouver is apples and oranges. Vancouver has a population of, what, 2.5 million in the Lower Mainland and over 6000 square miles to cover, whereas Hong Kong itself has a population just shy of 7 million people and an area of just over 400 square miles.
Now think why comparing these two wont work.
Even if you use just Metro Vancouver with it's 2 million residents and 1100 square miles, you can still see why it wont work.
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01-04-2009, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DemonsBlood since coming back from Hong Kong for the winter holidays, i can really say that our metro system is like crap compared to the Hong Kong one in almost every way possible. First of all, why don't we have freaking subways...I understand that in Richmond we cannot have subways because of the land in which it resides on, hence no basements, but in van there should be a subway. Then all of this weather junk won't affect it. Plus they have the octopus card which is like a prepaid fare card that you reload. It costs about 12 HKD ( less than 2 dollars Canadian ) to get from "Tai Wo" in Kowloon Tong, which is like the part close to the China boarder to "Tong Lor Wan" which is in Hong Kong Island. Bascially to get from the top of the Hong Kong map to the bottem it takes me roughly 45 minutes...not bad. I actually have no problem with having to carry a prepaid card to use the skytrain if that means improving the transit system a good amount!! | Our governments are so shitty that changes their mind every couple years. Classic example is that the two B-line lanes being built in the middle of No. 3 Road few years ago. Our government spends millions to make that express B-line and DOESN'T EVEN WORK!
Richmond should had that Skytrain expansion long long long time ago.
But transit services are so unreliable that I will never consider taking it unless my car get stuck in the snow.
One thing I really want to rant is that transit-users complaining their bus fare is too much. Considering that non-transit taxpayers are paying part of the system and their usage already.
If they think bus fare is too expensive, try paying a car and insurance.
Geeezzzz.
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01-04-2009, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lomac Comparing transit between HK and Vancouver is apples and oranges. Vancouver has a population of, what, 2.5 million in the Lower Mainland and over 6000 square miles to cover, whereas Hong Kong itself has a population just shy of 7 million people and an area of just over 400 square miles.
Now think why comparing these two wont work.
Even if you use just Metro Vancouver with it's 2 million residents and 1100 square miles, you can still see why it wont work. | Thank you, Lomac. Quote:
Originally Posted by McDick Our governments are so shitty that changes their mind every couple years. Classic example is that the two B-line lanes being built in the middle of No. 3 Road few years ago. Our government spends millions to make that express B-line and DOESN'T EVEN WORK!
Richmond should had that Skytrain expansion long long long time ago. | Welcome to the problems with democracy. Quote:
Originally Posted by McDick But transit services are so unreliable that I will never consider taking it unless my car get stuck in the snow. | Wait, so the only time you'll take transit is the most likely time for it to have problems? And this is what you base your reviews and complaints on? Quote:
Originally Posted by McDick One thing I really want to rant is that transit-users complaining their bus fare is too much. Considering that non-transit taxpayers are paying part of the system and their usage already.
If they think bus fare is too expensive, try paying a car and insurance.
Geeezzzz. | I can't entirely disagree with that part. Especially with the most recent fare increase. The price of my buspass went up $5, whereas a single ticket went up like $.50. The lameass "Bus Riders' union" (WTF is that?) complained that the increase was too steep for 'regular transit users', despite the fact that we also get 15% back from our bus passes with a tax return.
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01-04-2009, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Synaptik ok, so whats your point? EVERY public transit system in the world is run on subsidies. its provided as a service to the public, not as a profit maximizing venture.
the issue here is that translink isn't using the money efficiently. don't give them excuses to be complacent. | Well, the HK one makes money. That's why it's good. And every good one the world isn't a sink hole for cash.
Why?
1) Large volume of riders to offset the huge one-time capital costs of building it.
2) High density and efficient city layout (read: packed in like sardines) to keep subsidies/trip down.
Why does ours suck?
1) Small population
2) We have roads so most people drive.
3) Low density
(1 + 2) + 3 = Low volume + high costs = $ sink hole.
My point?
Money makes the world go..
If you're not going DT, buy a car.
If you are going DT, move near a Skytrain station or buy a car.
Our system will be good when more we get more density around new train/subway type lines (I believe that's how Toronto grew). But to take advantage of it, you'll have to live near a station (likely in a shoebox apt) and want to go where it takes you. At this stage, traffic will be so congested, more ppl will think twice about driving. If you want to live in a big house with nothing around you, then service will always suck cuz no one will pay for empty buses to nowhere.
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01-04-2009, 04:15 PM
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back to school tomorrow. not looking forward to using transit.
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01-04-2009, 06:17 PM
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#158 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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so should i bother to take the skytrain tomoro or just drive to school?!?
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01-04-2009, 06:33 PM
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if it keeps snowing at this rate there may not be any school tomorrow ^
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01-04-2009, 07:11 PM
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pleasee NO SCHOOOL!
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01-04-2009, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AVS_Racing so should i bother to take the skytrain tomoro or just drive to school?!? |
UBC: drive
SFU: bus
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01-04-2009, 07:30 PM
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SFU = skip school and stay at home
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01-04-2009, 08:06 PM
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what about SFU Surrey?
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01-04-2009, 08:23 PM
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butt ski to the skytrain station and get to SFU surrey
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01-04-2009, 09:59 PM
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TRANSLINK = FAIL
wow man took me fucking 3 and a half hours to get home. busses were stuck everywhere. Vancouver has got to figure it out, they already over $200mill over budget... and whos fault is that? -.-
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01-04-2009, 10:32 PM
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they are seriously 200mil over budget?
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01-04-2009, 10:36 PM
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i was on the train today going to 29th and the train had an emergency stop because a tree fucking fell again and i almost hit the glass because i flew forward
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01-04-2009, 10:38 PM
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no one was prepared for this junk tonight...it was suppose to rain all day
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01-04-2009, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by flawless SFU = skip school and stay at home | Nothing happens in the first week. Why do ppl feel a need to go in weather like this?
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01-04-2009, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by adog they are seriously 200mil over budget? | http://www.canada.com/coquitlamnow/n...1-5a61b704bb34
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01-05-2009, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tonyvu | Two hundred million? I don't think so.
Besides, it's not Translink that clears the roads, it's the municipalities themselves that pay to clear 'em.
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01-05-2009, 12:48 AM
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I hope they cancel school for SFU. I am still in Asia right now and wont be back until the 11th. They screwed me over by canceling my final on the 17th as well. Well, the snow did.
goo3, you are right about the first week being meaningless, but that is usually first and 2nd level courses. Usually for 300 and 400 they start pretty damn quick.
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01-05-2009, 07:29 AM
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#173 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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MAN WTF THEY DIDNT CLOSE SURREY. theres no way in hell i can make it in there. does anyone know if there are those 2 hour long ass line ups ppls been talking about?
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01-05-2009, 07:58 AM
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skytrain = hell right now
bus = hell to0
home = the best
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01-13-2009, 07:53 PM
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dont touch the skytrain on snowy days..its crap and the website doesnt get updated
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