China opens world's first mall of counterfeits.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by DDauge

This is an interesting point.

As a non-Chinese nationale living and working in China for years, I think their mentality is that they don't consider this a "counterfeit".

From what I observe, they consider a product conterfeit if the company's logo is directly copied. For example if a underground factory produces LV handbag using the LV logo then it is counterfeit and is punishable by law.

On another hand, if the factory produces a bag that is super similar to a LV bag and uses a lgo such as Louis Vooton (mis-spelled on purpose) or something like that, then it is not a counterfeit. Hence you are seeing "Pizza Huh" or "Adidos", which are perfectly legal, as far as legality is concerned.

I think similiar products can be found in the North America too...
go to futureshop and you will see many mp3 players that just look like an ipod but is branded otherwise..they look and function similiar to an ipod but is legal. Same goes for the Chinese shops above. Nothing wrong with that.

Uh, when I went to Shanghai I did some shopping in the markets.

You can't tell me that the North Face or Columbia jackets they were selling for $30 were real, nor were the full set of Callaway golf clubs with matching bag for $200.

There were no misspelled names, the logos were all exactly the same as the real deal.

[Meowjin]

fake... signs look photoshopped. SERIOUSLY.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by Los Bastardo

So you're saying its acceptable to have your hard work stolen? That if you build a corporation virtually from scratch like Ray Kroc did that its ok for someone to get rich off of your sweat?


Theres a difference between values and decency.

Or are you going to talk about China's "infancy" again and defend its intellectual piracy? Hahaha.

I don't feel bad about companies loosing money to counterfeit if those companies were ones that moved their manufacturing plants to China from North America in search of cheap labour.

They made their bed, they should have to sleep in it.

[absolution]

Pizza HUH is interesting

[wouwou]

Originally Posted by DDauge

This is an interesting point.

As a non-Chinese nationale living and working in China for years, I think their mentality is that they don't consider this a "counterfeit".

From what I observe, they consider a product conterfeit if the company's logo is directly copied. For example if a underground factory produces LV handbag using the LV logo then it is counterfeit and is punishable by law.

On another hand, if the factory produces a bag that is super similar to a LV bag and uses a lgo such as Louis Vooton (mis-spelled on purpose) or something like that, then it is not a counterfeit. Hence you are seeing "Pizza Huh" or "Adidos", which are perfectly legal, as far as legality is concerned.

I think similiar products can be found in the North America too...
go to futureshop and you will see many mp3 players that just look like an ipod but is branded otherwise..they look and function similiar to an ipod but is legal. Same goes for the Chinese shops above. Nothing wrong with that.

well we call it 山寨, and make fun of these brands.

basically we all know that they are cheap knock offs, and the market for these products are really small. Shops like these go out of business relatively quick.

and I am still enticed by that Pizza Huh, that is too funny

[DDauge]

Originally Posted by Great68

Uh, when I went to Shanghai I did some shopping in the markets.

You can't tell me that the North Face or Columbia jackets they were selling for $30 were real, nor were the full set of Callaway golf clubs with matching bag for $200.

There were no misspelled names, the logos were all exactly the same as the real deal.

Yea if you are talking about 100% identical logos, then I think it is a counterfeit and hence ilegal.

But because I'm in the manufacture industry, there is also another interesting point that I think most of you don't know.

Nowadays, ALOT of things are made in China, including name brands such as Juicy Couture, Coach, Mizuno, Gap, North Face and all that.

I cannot say this for certain, but I think alot of stuff you see on those street markets in China are actually the real deal from the same fcatory (For example your golf clubs) they are the same golf clubs produced in the same factory that also produce the "real" golf clubs. Its just that these ones they got on the streets might be "over productions" from the factory, I.E. the factory owners decided to produce more clubs than the American brand owner has ordered, resulting in a surplus. The factory owner then sold these clubs to the street sellers, resulting in real clubs being sold on the streets.

These clubs are the real deal in terms of their quality, design and origin, just that they are technically not allowed to be sold.

correct me if anyone else has more insights.

[vapour_lock]

so fake that its ironic.

OO you guys, gullible's not in the dictionary

[fetched]

i loled when i saw pizza HUHHHHH

[RiceFarmer]

Lets grab some McDnoalds! XD

[Rev]

Pizza Huh pic is HARSH photoshopped. Must be a slow news day

[skyxx]

I want to go to Pizza Huh....hahaha It's so AWESOME!

[lilaznviper]

mayb their food will be better than the actually really one

[skyxx]

Not unless they give you fake eggs.....

[bbbj]

how do you even pronounce McDnoalds?

[Marco911]

It's a real estate thing in China during construction to envisiage international brands leasing retail space in order to drive up the values of the leases in the building. Once the construction is over, those signs come down.

[Levitron]

Originally Posted by DDauge

Yea if you are talking about 100% identical logos, then I think it is a counterfeit and hence ilegal.

But because I'm in the manufacture industry, there is also another interesting point that I think most of you don't know.

Nowadays, ALOT of things are made in China, including name brands such as Juicy Couture, Coach, Mizuno, Gap, North Face and all that.

I cannot say this for certain, but I think alot of stuff you see on those street markets in China are actually the real deal from the same fcatory (For example your golf clubs) they are the same golf clubs produced in the same factory that also produce the "real" golf clubs. Its just that these ones they got on the streets might be "over productions" from the factory, I.E. the factory owners decided to produce more clubs than the American brand owner has ordered, resulting in a surplus. The factory owner then sold these clubs to the street sellers, resulting in real clubs being sold on the streets.

These clubs are the real deal in terms of their quality, design and origin, just that they are technically not allowed to be sold.

correct me if anyone else has more insights.

To add to this, I've seen this happen with a lot of camera equipment. This has most recently affected expensive Gitzo and Manfrotto tripods. The manufacturers have molds of the tripods/heads and will use different metals/plastics/materials to make the same gear but under different brand names. Also a lot cheaper!

Basically a lot of the times you're paying for the marketing and R&D of the big brand names.

[asian_XL]

I can see UK news tend to make up fake news about fake stuff in China.
The adidos and fake KFC logo have been around on the internet for years, how can this
shit be news?

I am not defending China, but if you have never been to China in your life, you are one
ignorant believing everything you heard. Pictures do not tell the whole story.

[shenmecar]

they're talking about a mall just for counterfeit goods, not "OMG THEY SELL FAKE STUFF IN CHINA", everyone knows this already.

[wouwou]

Originally Posted by asian_XL

I can see UK news tend to make up fake news about fake stuff in China.
The adidos and fake KFC logo have been around on the internet for years, how can this
shit be news?

I am not defending China, but if you have never been to China in your life, you are one
ignorant believing everything you heard. Pictures do not tell the whole story.

I can buy 3 LV bags for 100 in LuoHu mall

[agentcloud]

pizza huh offers dog as a topping
yum

[nipples]

Originally Posted by Levitron

To add to this, I've seen this happen with a lot of camera equipment. This has most recently affected expensive Gitzo and Manfrotto tripods. The manufacturers have molds of the tripods/heads and will use different metals/plastics/materials to make the same gear but under different brand names. Also a lot cheaper!

Basically a lot of the times you're paying for the marketing and R&D of the big brand names.

yup. both of these are true.
also, they dont have to just be over production or purchases..often times companies that manufacture the real products will moonlight during off hours to continue maufacturing for the street markets.

[jnesss]

Originally Posted by Great68

Uh, when I went to Shanghai I did some shopping in the markets.

You can't tell me that the North Face or Columbia jackets they were selling for $30 were real, nor were the full set of Callaway golf clubs with matching bag for $200.

There were no misspelled names, the logos were all exactly the same as the real deal.

i've seen a "benny face" @ metro before.

[bossxx]

Originally Posted by DDauge

I think similiar products can be found in the North America too...
go to futureshop and you will see many mp3 players that just look like an ipod but is branded otherwise..they look and function similiar to an ipod but is legal. Same goes for the Chinese shops above. Nothing wrong with that.

It's one thing to replicate the physical product to have similar attributes but it's another to purposely take a company logo and change one character out of it and then call it your own. You are directly representing that company and the products they sell. You are benefiting from someone elses ideas, products and reputation.

Microsoft doesn't call their mp3 player the iPud do they?

[ctsport]

Has anyone here actually read a single book on economic history/development at all? LOL I am not trying to defend China but it is common knowledge that every single successful economy past and present was once a huge counterfeiter before becoming a economic superpower. America legitimized counterfeits stolen from the British before its rise to dominance and Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, et al in return all made "learning" from the United States public policy. Multinational corporations (i.e. Microsoft) understand this development curve well and thus provide free customer service in China to those they know who are using counterfeits of their products. Why? Because they understand China will eventually move up the food chain and when that happens, the government will have to enforce property rights.. thats when foreign companies who already have market share in the Chinese market start making the big bucks.

[tonyvu]

hmmm, everything is made in china, i wouldn't be suprised if they tweaked with it a little haha. good old' china...