REVscene - Vancouver Automotive Forum


Welcome to the REVscene Automotive Forum forums.

Registration is Free!You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! The banners on the left side and below do not show for registered users!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Go Back   REVscene Automotive Forum > Automotive Chat > Police Forum

Police Forum Police Head Mod: Skidmark
Questions & info about the Motor Vehicle Act. Mature discussion only.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-14-2009, 12:08 AM   #1
I am Hook'd on RS
 
dbeggs686's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: kelowna
Posts: 74
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Dealership sold me a POS

So i bought this new integra, after the old one which my friend crashed, and it seems that the paint is literally cracking off of the car.. I knew it had been salvage title, but he had told me everything was fixed accordingly and properly, not to mention professionally, so after taking this car for a test drive everything seemed up to par, and i brought it back to kelowna. So i took my car to big white, and the next day noticed that i had these almost compression cracks all over the body, and i call VSA. (vehicle sales authority) to find out if theres anything i can do, or find out about. Anyway they tell me theres a possibility of getting my money back, and to get a Provincial inspection. After the inspection it fails, and they tell me to get a structural integrity test which i have not done yet. But apparently if i fail that as well im a shoe-in for getting my money back, or returning the car etc etc..

Just wondering what everyone thinks of this, and if this sounds like it will work or not.. Also the dealership name is Newtek Auto Group

And i bought the car about 3 months ago now.
Advertisement
dbeggs686 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2009, 12:22 AM   #2
Hacked RS to become a mod
 
SkinnyPupp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Sunny Hong Kong
Posts: 42,007
Thanked 17,633 Times in 5,341 Posts
Caveat emptor
SkinnyPupp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2009, 12:45 AM   #3
Banned (ABWS)
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: vancouver
Posts: 1,742
Thanked 179 Times in 76 Posts
You should have know it's a POS since it has a salvage title. Do NOT buy a car from a used car dealership, I've leared that the hard way.

Last edited by skidmark; 01-14-2009 at 12:18 PM.
CivicTypeRice is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2009, 07:23 AM   #4
I bringith the lowerballerith
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: PR
Posts: 1,131
Thanked 250 Times in 128 Posts
My vehicle has a rebuilt status on it and is perfect. Not all salvage/rebuilt status cars are junk. You just have to make sure you do the proper research before buying them, part of which includes a proper vehicle inspection by someone other than the dealership.

The 3 month thing might be an issue, as they might claim that it was fine when it left their lot and they're not responsible for what you did to the vehicle between purchase and present day. Good luck with your efforts though.
__________________
"Never give a match up halfway through. Never say that you do not feel up to it, that your condition is bad, and throw in the towel. Fight to the very end, always looking for your chance to break through." - Kazuzo Kudo
sho_bc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2009, 10:44 AM   #5
RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
 
Klobbersaurus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Lollipop Lane
Posts: 8,487
Thanked 176 Times in 82 Posts
That's not too bad, one of the big new car dealerships sold a customer a used car, a month later, 3 of the 4 bolts that hold the engine subframe to the car rusted out and they refused to take the car back
__________________
Its Klobbering Time!
Klobbersaurus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2009, 12:19 PM   #6
Retired Traffic Cop
 
skidmark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Nanoose Bay, BC
Posts: 9,023
Thanked 115 Times in 66 Posts
http://www.mdcbc.com/ is the place to go for more information on this subject. You may also want to inquire with the BBB.
__________________
Have you ever met anyone that would admit to being less than a better than average driver ??

Learn more at DriveSmartBC
skidmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2009, 03:40 PM   #7
The Brown Reason
 
BrRsn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Whalley
Posts: 4,594
Thanked 5,847 Times in 1,521 Posts
Offtopic but,


Just generally speaking, it's often hit or miss to buy a car from a used car dealership, right? But is it ok to buy a used honda from a honda dealership?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by bcrdukes
fuck this shit, i'm out
BrRsn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2009, 04:16 PM   #8
Rs has made me the woman i am today!
 
ws6ta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: ?
Posts: 4,338
Thanked 880 Times in 153 Posts
be careful no matter where you buy your used car from. every dealership is only there for one thing...to make money! they're not your friends so don't take their word on anything.
ws6ta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2009, 04:19 PM   #9
RS Peace Officer
 
Five-Oh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Richmond
Posts: 471
Thanked 59 Times in 8 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by ws6ta View Post
be careful no matter where you buy your used car from. every dealership is only there for one thing...to make money! they're not your friends so don't take their word on anything.

Good advice. They are there to sell you a car, not to tell you everything that is wrong with the car, which will end up lowering their commission.
Five-Oh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2009, 05:28 PM   #10
racing & tech mod.
 
Rich Sandor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 4,027
Thanked 491 Times in 183 Posts
Quote:
http://www.mdcbc.com/ is the place to go for more information on this subject. You may also want to inquire with the BBB.
Skidmark: MDCBC is now known as the VSA. Same organisation, just a different name.

The first thing that I would ask, is what exactly were you thinking when you bought a vehicle with a rebuilt/salvage title???? Were you thinking that you were getting a good deal? In that case, what level of quality did you expect of your vehicle, at a discounted salvage/rebuilt based price?

It doesn't matter what dealership you go to, you get what you pay for. A $5000 car is going to have problems, I'm sorry, that's the truth. ANY car (new or used) could have problems. Cosmetically, it's buyer beware. You were told it had damage which was fixed. That doesn't mean the car has been repaired to "as new" condition.

That said, if the vehicle is UNSAFE when it was sold to you, or if it did not work as advertised when it was sold to you, then you are fully within your rights to be refunded. Although the onus is on YOU to prove that it's unsafe, which means you need to get a structual integrety test done, and I'm not sure how many places do that in Kelowna. (probably not many, it's a specialised test that is more complicated than a simple provincial vehicle inspection) Also, the fact that's it's not 3 months down the road might make the process more difficult. Furthermore, have you spoken to the dealership about this? at all? That SHOULD have been your first step.

Quote:
be careful no matter where you buy your used car from. every dealership is only there for one thing...to make money! they're not your friends so don't take their word on anything.
Quote:
Good advice. They are there to sell you a car, not to tell you everything that is wrong with the car, which will end up lowering their commission.
I agree to a point, you should always be careful of what you believe no matter if it's a police officer, or a car salesman that's talking to you. As far as lying salesmen go, it's a difficult thing to enforce. Sometimes some salesmen lie, sometimes they are simply mistaken. The VSA will pull the licence of salemen who are repeatedly caught lying or ripping off customers. Don't deal with a salesman without a VSA licence.

Quote:
Just generally speaking, it's often hit or miss to buy a car from a used car dealership, right? But is it ok to buy a used honda from a honda dealership?
Every car is different. At our store, we do not keep trades that we think are junk. We try to ONLY sell GOOD used vehicles. It might happen that a dealer sells a perfectly goo dused vehicle that happens to break down some months after the sale. Sh1t happens. It's a used car. Unless there is warranty left, or you buy warranty, you're out of luck.

Last edited by Rich Sandor; 01-14-2009 at 05:30 PM.
Rich Sandor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2009, 11:01 PM   #11
Wunder? Wonder?? Wander???
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 233
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
i bought my 240 from a used car dealership and it's probably cleaner then 90% of the 240's in the lower mainland.
__________________
Any day is a GOOD day for beer!
fukkeneh240 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2009, 12:33 AM   #12
No Duplicate Accounts Allowed
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: BC
Posts: 819
Thanked 70 Times in 28 Posts
Couldn't the OP hire a inspector.
Inspector determines that the car was unsafe and the cause was not because of 3 month of use but from the reason of salvage title, (probably crash)
which meant that the damage that OP has now was root caused by salvage title (crash) which means that the dealer did not fix anything and the ddamage was ongoing in the car.
In other words, even if OP used it for 3 month, the damage was cumulative on root problem which is the salvage title = dealer did not fix to safe condition.
simsimi1004 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2009, 01:39 PM   #13
I am Hook'd on RS
 
dbeggs686's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: kelowna
Posts: 74
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Well i talked to the MVSA, and they have told me that its a good thing that i failed a provincial inspection and to proceed with a structural integrity test, which i will be getting done, most likely next week. If the case is that i also fail this which i have been told it most likely will, that i will most likely be a shoe in for receiving some sort of compensation. Im hoping all of this works out and im not just wasting money on these inspections, but my mechanic has told me its a good idea, and the vsa has also told me this.
dbeggs686 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2009, 06:02 PM   #14
I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
 
Splinter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Richmond, BC
Posts: 2,863
Thanked 208 Times in 67 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich Sandor View Post
Every car is different. At our store, we do not keep trades that we think are junk. We try to ONLY sell GOOD used vehicles. It might happen that a dealer sells a perfectly goo dused vehicle that happens to break down some months after the sale. Sh1t happens. It's a used car. Unless there is warranty left, or you buy warranty, you're out of luck.

This is key. Where do you think the cars the dealerships dont want to keep go? To the cheap second hand car lots.
__________________
Quote:
Originally posted by DLC
Subarus sound like a 50-gallon drum full of rubber balls, rolling down a hill
Splinter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2009, 01:56 PM   #15
I am Hook'd on RS
 
dbeggs686's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: kelowna
Posts: 74
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
have you ever heard of a warranty which covers body work from a dealership??? i havent. therefore i didnt get one. The 3 month warranty that i had which is up now, was for engine and transmission which is not something im worried about. Its the body which is the problem and was improperly repaired.
dbeggs686 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2009, 03:03 PM   #16
RS Peace Officer
 
zulutango's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Vancouver Islan
Posts: 3,850
Thanked 1,623 Times in 678 Posts
Some ammunition in your battle. Were these things stated and complied with in your transaction?

Content of sale or purchase agreement (used vehicles)
(2) Where a motor dealer makes a written representation in the form of a sales or purchase agreement respecting the sale by him
of a used motor vehicle, he shall include the particulars required for a new motor vehicle under subsection (1) and
(a) any documentation or transfer fee,
(b) the recorded odometer reading at the time of sale,
(c) the name of any jurisdiction known to the motor dealer other than British Columbia in which the motor vehicle has previously
been registered,
(d) an itemized list of any repairs to be effected and the additional cost, if any,
(e) a statement that the motor vehicle complies with the requirements of the Motor Vehicle Act, and in the case of a motor vehicle not suitable for transportation a statement to that effect.

(3) A motor dealer shall give a duplicate copy of the sales or purchase agreement to the purchaser or seller, as the case may
be, at the time it is accepted by the motor dealer.

Motor vehicles not suitable for transportation
22 A motor dealer shall ensure that any written representation including every purchase order, sales agreement or form of contract
used in a consumer transaction for the purchase of a motor vehicle not intended for transportation contains a statement that
the motor vehicle is not suitable for transportation and is sold for parts only or purposes other than transportation.

Material facts
A motor dealer shall ensure that in every written representation in the form of a sale or purchase agreement respecting his offering to sell or selling a motor vehicle he discloses, to the best of his knowledge and belief:

(a) whether the motor vehicle has been used as a taxi, police or emergency vehicle or in organized racing;

(b) whether the motor vehicle has
in the case of a new motor vehicle, sustained damage requiring repairs costing more than 20% of the asking price of the motor vehicle, or
ii) in the case of a used motor vehicle, sustained damages requiring repairs costing more than $2 000;

Last edited by zulutango; 01-18-2009 at 03:15 PM.
zulutango is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2009, 04:08 PM   #17
HELP ME PLS!!!
 
nipples's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 5,560
Thanked 22 Times in 13 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbeggs686 View Post
have you ever heard of a warranty which covers body work from a dealership??? i havent. therefore i didnt get one. The 3 month warranty that i had which is up now, was for engine and transmission which is not something im worried about. Its the body which is the problem and was improperly repaired.
i always thought that any repairs done by icbc body shops are warrantied for life, no? Because I got my car repaired at a shop in like january. afterwards in march I finally rinsed the car off and noticed that they didnt do too good of a job, so i called the estimator from icbc and he told me that the shop is obligated to fix it to icbc standards. the shop refused and said it was my eyes. that i'm seeing shadows.

luckily a phone call later, the estimator comes down and orders it done. he leaves after watching them do it for ~10mins. once he left, the shop brushed me aside telling me that that is the best they can do. i've had problems with them before for the same claim.

So I drove over to the estimators place, showed him the work, he tells me to go to another shop have it done and to have the shop call him - he will bill the original shop and have a word with the owner regarding their icbc accreditation.


So if the work done on your car wasn't up to standards, shouldnt they be obligated to fix it?
__________________
~goodnight fat sig.
nipples is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2009, 06:40 PM   #18
I am Hook'd on RS
 
dbeggs686's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: kelowna
Posts: 74
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I would think that they would be obligated to fix it, i guess the first thing that i will be required to do is get my poor integras structural integrity test done, which will probably happen next week on Tuesday. After this i can send in pictures and documentation for the vehicle to the Vehicle Sales Authority, and file a formal complaint. Once i have done this i will see there that gets me if anywhere, and i will leave an update after that If anyone else has any comments i would love to hear them, thanks again to everyone for the help.. Ill post some pictures perhaps tomorrow of the vehicle damage, and you guys can be the judge of whether this is something illegal or if the dealer was completely within his rights to sell me this car.
dbeggs686 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2009, 09:11 AM   #19
dustinb
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbeggs686 View Post
I would think that they would be obligated to fix it, i guess the first thing that i will be required to do is get my poor integras structural integrity test done, which will probably happen next week on Tuesday. After this i can send in pictures and documentation for the vehicle to the Vehicle Sales Authority, and file a formal complaint. Once i have done this i will see there that gets me if anywhere, and i will leave an update after that If anyone else has any comments i would love to hear them, thanks again to everyone for the help.. Ill post some pictures perhaps tomorrow of the vehicle damage, and you guys can be the judge of whether this is something illegal or if the dealer was completely within his rights to sell me this car.
I read through the whole thread, but might have missed it. Have you contacted the used car lot you bought car from yet? If so, how soon after you bought it did you get a hold of them, and what was their response?
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2009, 11:26 AM   #20
I am Hook'd on RS
 
dbeggs686's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: kelowna
Posts: 74
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I contacted them about 2 months after buying the car. Their response was that they would fix the car for as cheap as possible. He pulled the whole, you will have to pay for the repair, but i guarntee that it will be cheaper than anywhere else blah blah blah.. and what would probably happen is that the repair quality would more than likely be of the same caliber as when they went to repair the vehicle originally.
dbeggs686 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2009, 12:50 PM   #21
Captain Happy Bubble is my Homeboy
 
faceless_el's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 308
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbeggs686 View Post
I contacted them about 2 months after buying the car. Their response was that they would fix the car for as cheap as possible. He pulled the whole, you will have to pay for the repair, but i guarntee that it will be cheaper than anywhere else blah blah blah.. and what would probably happen is that the repair quality would more than likely be of the same caliber as when they went to repair the vehicle originally.
goodluck with this
__________________
Police...If you can't beat them, join them

02 Honda Civic SiR
01 Mazda Miata
Quote:
"Lisa, if you don't like your job, you don't strike. You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed. That's the American way."
faceless_el is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2009, 01:59 PM   #22
c32
My dinner reheated before my turbo spooled
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,762
Thanked 18 Times in 7 Posts
go back and slap him in the face.
c32 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2009, 02:08 PM   #23
How I Mod your mother
 
!Yaminashi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Crayon Box
Posts: 13,671
Thanked 968 Times in 474 Posts
Any updates?
__________________
Quote:
[19-07, 16:52] bloodmack: EB did u change my avatar and title?
Quote:
[19-07, 16:54] El Bastardo: bm i have no idea what you're talking about because i don't speak gorilla
Crayon
!Yaminashi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2009, 03:06 PM   #24
retired
 
Truenosan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Richmond
Posts: 3,597
Thanked 153 Times in 85 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by nipples View Post
i always thought that any repairs done by icbc body shops are warrantied for life, no?
only if it is an ICBC claim.
Truenosan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-24-2009, 10:38 PM   #25
I am Hook'd on RS
 
dbeggs686's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: kelowna
Posts: 74
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
no updates yet, but i will have some results soon.. still have to get the structural done, but i might not and just send in the results to the MVA about the provincial inspection.
dbeggs686 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:03 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Revscene.net cannot be held accountable for the actions of its members nor does the opinions of the members represent that of Revscene.net