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$1.4-billion spent on Downtown Eastside since 2000, More than $1.4-billion later, the Quote:
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I drove down Hastings tonight to a friend's apartment and I saw 3 ambulances on my way down there because people were either passed out, beaten up or dead. |
My best friend from grades 5-10 became a crack addict, and is now homeless there. Our high school friends had largely forgotten about him until he showed up on the news. Its a hopeless situation and complex on so many levels I don't know where to begin. I volunteered down there years ago with other UBC students in a clean needle exchange clinic that also provided free health checkups etc., and as much as I hate and have no right to say it, I often feel that the most mentally disturbed of them would be better off euthanized. |
The only initiative that they actually put effort into (the needle exchange) has been a success. Well, what does that tell you? The situation is pretty much hopeless unless there is going to be a mass round-up and mandatory, life altering detox. Social services can help people get off the streets when they finally hit that rock bottom stage, but for every person that gets to that stage, another new person comes on the scene, so it never looks like anything has changed. One thing is for sure, the people with unfixable mental problems really, really should not fucking be there. That's what makes me think of 3rd world conditions, that we send our mentally handicapped to go live in the filthiest conditions possible at great risk to their own lives. |
good read. once again it proves you can't just throw money at the problem -- it makes no difference at all. |
build a wall around the area just like the Warsaw ghetto. A few armed guards with attack dogs, problem solved. |
i'm afraid there is no dollar amount that will ever repair this epidemic. clearly, you can offer more help then is necessary but ultimately it is up to the inhabitants of the DTES. unfortunately, the addictions are so powerful that living anything that resembles a "normal" life to most of these people isn't even a faint thought in the back of their minds. please forgive the phrase, but i'm afraid we are just pissing in the wind with these expenditures. the money needs to be spent on prevention. it is at least more of a possibility to prevent some of the problems then it is to attempt to "fix" them |
Ship them to a remote island. Supply food and shelter to them. Until they have lost their drug addition do not allow them to leave the island. This will cost less than 1.4 billion dollar for sure and it makes the street look so much better. |
we aren't in cuba |
The DTES if ever cleaned up, is a prime real estate section of Vancouver. Next year when the Olympics are here its going to taint some of Vancouver's reputation to the international media. I wonder what the city is going to do by that time. |
like i've said in other posts, throwing money and building low income housing does absolutely nothing but attract more homeless to Vancouver, you could build 30,000 units and in 2 years they'd all be full with more homless on the street then ever really there are a few drastic aproaches to take, or we live with the problem as it is, i dont see many other ways around it as has been said above, that area is absolutely prime real estate in Vancouver and if they all were shipped out and developers moved in, that would be a much more prime area then yale town even, it would be coal harbor #2 |
Im so sick and tired of hearing about all these protesters who are opposed to the olympics and criticize the gov't on spending too much money for hosting the games when they feel that money could be better spent pissing it away to this bottomless pit we call the DTES. As a taxpayer I support the olympics. I see it as a chance for vancouver to show the world that its world class city written all over it. Unfortunately, chances are visitors to our city will in fact be able to view the problem as they drive through crackville. Perhaps with millions of viewers, and thousands of strangers to our city, Vancouver will be put on the spot and will undoubtedly have to face the music. Its really too bad that the city/province couldn't take the initiative to begin fixing the problem much earlier so that the ungodly site of hundreds of heroin/meth addicts littering the dtes might not be as prevalent. Its quite clear that several things need to happen in order to begin rectifying the problem that has plagued vancouver for all these years. A) Re-open riverview along with other institutions that used to house the mentally ill. These folk represent a significant percentage of the crowds you see gathered around the streets of the DTES. B) Open up more locations like insite. While were at it, open up a monitored brothel. The sex trade will never disappear. Its been existing for centuries upon centuries..Instead of going against it, go with it but direct it onto a path that is more socially acceptable and safer for those involved. C) Deport all those honduran( I use hondurans because thats what ethnicity the media usually reports) drug dealers who pretty much have no business in this country. You come into our country to pour gas over a fire that is already raging outta control - GTFO! Infact, get rid of the dealers period! Three strikes and you're out - on a side note: If any of you ever go by the main&hastings area as often as I do, your eyes will be trained to pick out amongst the crowds the USERS vs DEALERS. Users are the ones scrounging around for change/begging people for money so that homeboy/girl around the corner can sell em their next hit. Dealers are slightly better dressed than the users. They are clearly wearing clothes that are newer, are clearly unaffordable to the average DTES'er and have this obvious shadyness to them. Beware, to the untrained eye they blend in pretty good! D) The continued gentrification of the dtes/gastown will not cure the problem but will slowly erode the stronghold that these crowds have over the area. Sure, the problem will only move east but on a technicality the grim scenes that one is used to seeing at Main&hastings will perhaps be seen more towards hastings and franklin. With the proper measures in place, this problem can be solved. The bottom line is that the average person doesn't give a rats ass about that area of town as it doesn't affect their pristine little neighborhoods. Guaranteed if there was a problem similar to that of the DTES in and around the kerrisdale area, it'd be cleaned up in no time! Granted, a problem to that extent is next to impossible anywhere near the dale. end rant |
Or do what china did when they host the olympics China pretty ban all beggers/homeless away 10miles away from the city. If the homeless even come near the city they are beaten and put to jail. We should dot hat during olympics as well. As I said ship them all to a remote island somewhere far far fr away. Send them food every few months. Why spend billions when the money will get wasted anyways. |
1. License people for reproduction, educate children on the consequences to early reproduction This will help reduce the number of "oops" babies, hopefully. If people know that early reproduction without money is financial suicide, perhaps they will make an effort to not get knocked up. Also, free and easily available birth control. The pill, IUD shots available same day through health clinics. 2. Forced rehabilitation If you are caught high in public on certain drugs, you will be hauled off to a sobriety facility! Seriously, I have done drugs before and enjoyed them, but guess what, you do them in private. If you're out on the street super fucked up, that should be enough for the cops to pick you up. I'm not talking stoned and petting a flower, or drunk and pissing yourself, I'm talking full out cocaine psychosis and sleeping on the street. We need to stop tolerating the downtown east side. 3. Indians can fuck off Seriously, the government can't and shouldn't be responsible for every native that is fucked up. Time to take some responsibility for your own community and fix your shit. I have no education and no family to help me, but I do well through my own desire to. I don't sit around and look for a handout, and nobody else should, either. 4. Politicians are useless More proof that sitting around and comissioning studies doesn't work, that people wil pander for votes and ignore problems long enough that they can pass it on to someone else. We need real action and we need it now. People that are on the downtown eastside obviously have problems, but at what point do you make people FACE those problems and not continue to escape from life by using drugs? 5. Apathetic people As long as I am getting hot poontang and driving a BMW, why should I care? You should care because your tax money is going to pay for these people to sit around, get high, break into cars, and generally be a cancer on society. They aren't horrible people, they are a product of a shitty set of parents and a society that needs them to be on the bottom. I don't understand why we put up with it, but we do. 6. DTES money provides jobs Think of how many people and businesses are kept employed and profitable by those DTES people? The cops get money Judges and lawyers Government administration jobs Social workers Needle exchange Pawn shops Drug dealers Drug suppliers Hotel owners Church groups Etc etc ^ Do any of the above people want to be out of work? NO. Why fix something that makes you money and keeps you employed? This whole system and world is so corrupt, I want it to burn in a nuclear fire! ...but after I have made my adult video game and driven a Ferrari with a hot hooker who has boobs made of cocaine and liquor |
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The war on drugs in America has proven that spending trillions of dollars and locking up millions of people for dealing drugs just doesn't work. All it really does is jack up the price of drugs. People will pay whatever they have to to get their fix. So the prices go up enough that the risk of life in jail is less than the lure of $$$$$ for people who are either dumb or desperately poor. So the net result would be more stolen car stereos and home invasions as desperate crack addicts steal enough to pay $300 a hit. |
good points jason |
I love you guys. It sounds like most of us have the same ideas. Not sure why riverview isn't re-opened. Not sure why prostitution is still illegal. I would legalize prostitution before I legalized marijuana. |
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I too, do not understand why Riverview was shut down. Does anyone know where the monitored long term psychiatric patients were shipped to? Drug compliance is clearly one key aspect here, as many of the homeless have no supervision on taking their drugs and keeping them in a cleaner state of mind. Continued gentrification of DTES real estate would only serve to push the cess pool further east and into the dock areas. I was reading this week's Economist, and they had an interesting article about New York State welfare/social workers examining a welfare system that worked really well in Mexico. There, the recipients are given aid only if they meet certain requirements signed in a contract e.g. proof of drug regimen compliance, work, etc. Perhaps the City should look into this rather than giving money out blindly to both the disadvantaged and studies which justifiy their own existence. |
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They'll be out of money, so they'll come up with some sort of new tax to help clean up the streets before the olympics However this article clearly shows that throwing money at the problem makes no difference at all. Our government is retarded |
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We do need a revolution. I think our policies do not advance humankind, merely allow it to stagnate and regress. No survival of the fittest, everyone gets a free ride. I think it's high time I picked up Atlas Shrugged, as I have heard people talking about it coming true today... |
Downtown Eastside costs $1 million a day Quote:
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proof that throwing money doesnt make shit better. You're just enabling people to do this shit more and more everyday |
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Yes, but doesn't the government basically use the hotel owners as babysitters, forcing hotel owners to care for these people? i.e. refusing to allow hotel owners to kick out known drug dealers/fuck ups/transexual, intellectual, one testicle people? |
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