After all this, I still fail to understand why no translator was brought over to talk to the guy.
The tasers were definately not necessary.

fuck the police

maybe they should go back to using normal guns..=/

zomg r u being sarcastic? phail attempt at being witty

fucking pigs...

they show up at 5:24 and taz him at 5:34. None of them even understood what D. was saying....and they fucking killed him

It took well trained cops 10 seconds to determine A)Tackle Him B)Baton/Pepper Spray C)Let's just taz him so we can hurry up and grab some donuts when we're done

don't cops also carry a can of mace? coulda maced him and 4 guys tackle and cuff him. not sure why they needed to taze him like that.

or even taze him once and have 4 guys sit in him until cuffed. though i agree cops need to be careful while on the job, i think they need to understand how much force is 'necessary'

Don't think taser should have been used in the first place, guy was obviously backing off already..

but the biggest question is...5 times?? why the hell they need to tase a guy 5 times?? and watching the vid, it seems like they probably tased him 2-3 more times after he dropped on the floor twitching :(

Maybe he would've lived if they cop only tase him once or twice? I know taser is generally considered safe, but I am sure it will become lethal if you over use it...even a perfectly healthy person will probably die or suffered serious long-term injury if he was tasered 10-20 times continuously

this isnt about tasering or not tasering

i think this case sets a good example for every police officer out there who abuses their power... im sure a lot of members on this board have had an account with an officer one point in their lives and ill say ive run into my fair share of police who abuses their power.

there are times when you need to be serious, (for example, trying to catch gansters on our streets) but i dont think they need to be pricks at times when they dont need to be.

the police in BC in general needs better training in what they do.

as per the news, two officers, changed thr stories.. go figure,, 4 charges of taser were while the guy was on the ground.

fucking police, no accountability. cant even expect to be honest anymore.

The crown also found that these officers will not face criminal charges. This is exactly why all these cops are such assholes to the general public. They know no matter what they do they aren't going to get punished. These 4 assholes are all prolee all on paid leave. It sickens me that my tax dollars are paying for these low lives to live their lives.

Turns out the leader of the Taser Gang, RCMP Cpl. Benjamin Monty Robinson was arrest for drinking and drive while having 2 kids in the car. The officer hit a 21 your old man on his motorcycle and then proceeded to leave the scene of the accident.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ash-named.html

the more i read about this class the more outrage I get.

Cops over reacted but this guy did have some type of thing coming to him. I mean come on, if I go to Poland, I am not going to start throwing chairs in the airport. And better yet, when the cops come talk to me, make MORE aggravated gestures. Look at 5:30ish in that video, he was wailing his arms like a madman. He did back up, but at one point he was going towards an officer wailing his arms (I cant tell if its cause he was getting tazed or not)

Tasered 5 times? Sure, excessive. Tasered once? Right or wrong?. Who knows. Its easy to make judgement now since we all know the intentions of Robert. But at the time, it could have gone either way. Remember, cops were called out to a hostile yelling guy throwing furniture in an airport of all places.

As much as I agree even tasering the guy once would not be the correct situation, but at the same time, this wouldnt have happened if he didnt act like such an idiot.

People should stop blaming their mistakes on other peoples mistakes.

do you know any of the details of this case at all azzurro32? At 5:30 he is being tasered that is why his arms are up waving around like a mad man.

At no point in the video is he going towards any of the officer that much has already been proven in the courts, the officers even had the guts to write in his notebook after the killing that Robert Dziekański came scream and yelling towards them which he never did. When asked about why what they had written in the notebook and what appear on tape didn't match up the officer said he was tried and didn't remember things right, even thou officers are trained to take correct notes. Does anyone smell a cover up? This smell so much like a cover up that the Canadian govt refuses to share any tapes, papers or other evidence regarding the case with the Polish govt.

Robert Dziekański did not kill or hurt anyone that night. He damaged a wooden stool and a computer monitor. The only one that killed anyone that night was the 4 RCMP officers. So who's to blame for what? Do you think Robert Dziekański deserved to die because he was upset and confused? He was coming to CANADA to start a new life. What did he see in this new life? Death by a police force who single duty is to protect the lives of its civilians.

Here azzurro32 read the wiki it might help you understand more about what happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dziekanski



come back when your more informed.

No, I dont know what happened (that's why I wrote in brackets 'not sure if hes being tazed or not').

All I know is that some dude was acting hysterical in an airport. Like I said, he probably shouldn't have been tasered, but the cops werent the only ones that made a mistake that night. His mistake cost him his life.

That apart, these cops also tried to cover up and bend the facts to legitimize their killing
If it werent' for the video tape, these guys would just lie and claim Dziekanski was holding a weapon charging at them...no inquiry would even be held...witness account from the airport would be worthless because the crown always believe an officer testimonial to be more reliable.

Shit like this probably happens a lot but gets covered up because the police lie their way out of the situation.

I think this really shows the integrity (or the lack of) from RCMP officer.

And you think that his killing was warrantied. How can you make an informed opinon if you don't know what happened or even know all the facts? Stop spouting ignorance in a serious matter.

Lol, when did I say his killing was warranted? Did I say the cops should have taken him out back and popped a bullit in his head for tossing chairs around?

A taser is not meant to kill someone. A gun is. If the cops wanted him dead, they would have shot him, not tased him (yes, yes, I know, 5 times tasered is excessive - and they should be punished).

Read again. I said they probably shouldn't have even tased him. But judging by the way he was acting, I am not surprised he was tased.

Should they receive some type of punishment? Sure. But should they get all the blame? People are talking like this Robert guy was some type of hero or innocent victim. Remember that the moments leading up to the taser, he had a choice to remain calm.

Hell, he even had a choice to throw chairs around. He decided to throw chairs, become irate, and unfortunatly his decisions were paired with bad judgment from the cops.

Bad judgement from both parties.

thats cuz he was an innocent victim.

he didnt do anything threatening when RCMP came
as a matter of fact he even put his hands up as a way of surrendering

there were 4 officers against 1 man

why arent u suprised that he got tasered?

Well, I say that as a Vancouverite cause I know how fast cops are to pull out the taser.

I'm not saying Robert deserved to be tased by any means, but come on, you gotta put SOME blame on the guy for acting how he did. Especially if you cannot speak the mother language of the country you are in, you shouldn't be throwing things around. Airports especially.

If you don't know the details, you're best to keep your opinions to yourself. Read up on the sequence of events and the court procedure and then come back in here and tell us what you think..... coplover

So who ever agrees saying it was Roberts fault too...is a coplover?

Havn't you heard...DONT FUCK WITH COPS? We dont have to read jack shit about events and court procedures...They are legalized gangsters...they always win.

So you sir STFU and hug your charter of rights...because nothings gonna change...they'll just cover their asses better next time.

well, 1 good development, another case, about cops beating the guy in downtown,
1 of the cops will testify against the two cops charged. due to which they have added more charges.

He didn't deserve to die, but no he's not.

Yes he was, but the police officers also have to factor the variable that he's also erratic, unstable, and therefore unpredictable. Hence the tazer. The intent was to subdue, not to kill.

The intense public outcry is only the result of society's growing sentiment that one should never be responsible of one's own actions, which our very letigious culture strongly suggests. What happened to Dziekanski was a simple cause and effect.

Don't know why you guys are afraid of cops but I certainly am not.

You did suggest that the killing was warrantied and here the quote in your first post

He was an idiot and that's why he got killed right. You pretty much just
suggested that it's his own fault for being killed and that the officers killed him for being an idiot.

Yes, the officers we're told that a taser is not a weapon but the RCMP itself released a statement to it's own departments a mere 1-2 months before Dziekanski was killed warning against mulitple uses towards some subjects could seriously injury or even kill so extreme cautious when using the weapon. RCMP training even states to their officers that when using a taser gun one should let the victim recover before shocking them again.

He was not acting in a offensive matter when the officers came in. If he was then this trial would have never happened.

The main problem here is that the RCMP and these officers don't want to take any blame for this incident. Time and time again they have said it wasn't there fault. Even thou every other part that has been invovled with this incident have stated that in some way or another they faulted to ad Mr.Dziekanski properly and to the best of there ability.

It's also doesn't help thing that the RCMP has repeated lied to the public at this incident. At first the RCMP told the public that only 3 officers were involved in the altercation, which in fact there were 4 and they knew this. They also stated that he reason that the officed taser mr.Dziekanski was because he was yelling and screaming and was about to attack the officers when they arrived at the scene they also knew this wasn't the case either because they had see the video i had posted in this thread. Then there was the incident in which the RCMP refused to return the tape of the incident to the man who shot the tape even thou they promised him they would give it back to him in 48 hours. . He had to hire a lawyer to get the tape in question back. They also lied about a baton not being used in the incident when you can clearly see one being used in the video. Even with all this evidence against these officers and that indeed they were partically to blame for Mr.Dziekanski death, the crown still found the officers innocent and did not press any charges or punishment towards these officers. Is that ustice for you?

How do you know he threw "chairs" around? in the video you see him throw one chair and that wasn't even towards any one. The RCMP officers didn't even see that so how can you say they were just because he threw a chair that they themselves did not see? The officers in question didn't even know what was happening because they did not try to talk to any witness or even Mr.Dziekanski when they appeared on the scene. The only words any of them said to each other was "YOU GOT A TASER?"

Now is that the words of innoccent officers who were there to serve and protect. Those are the words of 4 men looking for a fight!

Finally do you know why he was so confused or in your words irate? He spend 24 hours fly then another 10 hours trying to clear customs. He was unstable because he just wanted to find his mom and go home to his new life. But instead he got no help from anyone that was able to communicate with him and the people that were sent to deal with the situation and possible help him killed him instead.


TELL ME WHERE IN THE ANY VIDEO OF THIS INCIDENT DO YOU SEE MR.Dziekanski DO ANYTHING THAT IS CONSIDERED THREATING OR AN ATTACK TOWARDS RCMP OR ANYONE ELSE? You can't!

He's a coplover because even with all the information present to him he still can't get over the fact that the RCMP officer have partical or a big part in the blame game at the moment. They refuse to admit to any wrong doing and even show public contept towards anyone who doesn't believe them, because as we all know the police can never be wrong!

Yes don't fuck with the police cause they are always right!! Yes we should never question people in position of power cause they are always right!!! That the same self serving attitude that the majority of Germans had when Hitler comminted genocide on a whole race of people. Yes if we didn't have the Charter of Rights then what would we have? A country run by police and politictions who play by their own rules? Things will change because people will always strived for a better future.


PS. If you don't want to read what happened why do you think you have a right to be part of a conversation? Is it because you think you are so much smarter then everyone else? and that facts and reason do not matter in this society?