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taylor192 · 03-03-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Whatever happened to 4 cops just tackling someone?

That ended the day people started strapping bombs to themselves, or crack addicts pricking people with HIV infected needles.

I do not blame any police officer that chooses a method to take down someone where they do not have to put themselves at risk, especially since these methods exist.

Read the trial of the crazy greyhound bus dude, they tasered him several times, and good for them.

Mugen EvOlutioN · 03-03-2009, 01:47 PM

werd

tats exactly wat i felt

seriously, just because a cop has to cover their fuck up so they have to lie? lie after lie? cover up the media? N plz, who u tryin to fool?

god damn

staplers...

first time i hear tat shit in my life

guess back in high school if i was walking aronud in the hallway with a stapler in my hand i will get suspended and a group of SWAT will be taking down my ass i suppose

taylor192 · 03-03-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tool001

The guy was in the airport for 10 fucking hrs. U guys should try that out next time ur thr.

Tom Hanks did it.

I've spent 8 hrs waiting on standby during a snowstorm in Chicago. YVR is heaven compared to OHare.

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192

That ended the day people started strapping bombs to themselves, or crack addicts pricking people with HIV infected needles.

I do not blame any police officer that chooses a method to take down someone where they do not have to put themselves at risk, especially since these methods exist.

Read the trial of the crazy greyhound bus dude, they tasered him several times, and good for them.

Muslim crazed suicide bomber/DTES crackhead with needle != Angry guy with stapler.

Yes, because decapitating someone is similar to holding a stapler and speaking loudly.

I suppose then, you could not blame me, and many others, when we have 0 faith and 0 trust in the police. They are just as bad as gangsters, if not worse. Police get off from power and control over others, where as gangsters usually only lust after money.

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 02:05 PM

^

In reality, the only difference between a gang and a corporation are some laws

The only thing keeping the police from becoming a gestapo / the next SS, is a few laws that protect our rights.

If these cops are found not guilty, be prepared, cops will get a LOT more trigger happy when they know they can get away with murder scot-free.

BoneThug · 03-03-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

^

In reality, the only difference between a gang and a corporation are some laws

The only thing keeping the police from becoming a gestapo / the next SS, is a few laws that protect our rights.

If these cops are found not guilty, be prepared, cops will get a LOT more trigger happy when they know they can get away with murder scot-free.

i dont think any cop is going to go "sweet our buddy got off so now we can all do what we want with impunity!!!" real life doesnt really end up working like that. just cause someone didnt get fired doesnt mean the next person who does it also wont be. if anything the next person will be extra fucked. this sets a precedent for nothing.

Noir · 03-03-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

In reality, the only difference between a gang and a corporation are some laws

The only thing keeping the police from becoming a gestapo / the next SS, is a few laws that protect our rights.

If these cops are found not guilty, be prepared, cops will get a LOT more trigger happy when they know they can get away with murder scot-free.

WTF??? Now I understand why you incite so much animosity from CivicBlues.

All your statements above are nothing but mere exaggerations to push your anti-establishmentarianistic agendas. They only hold a small margin of truth to it at best for a supposed well-travelled person. Maybe it's time to get off the drugs Jase.

taylor192 · 03-03-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Muslim crazed suicide bomber/DTES crackhead with needle != Angry guy with stapler.

Yes, because decapitating someone is similar to holding a stapler and speaking loudly.

I suppose then, you could not blame me, and many others, when we have 0 faith and 0 trust in the police. They are just as bad as gangsters, if not worse. Police get off from power and control over others, where as gangsters usually only lust after money.

Can you tell the difference between someone with a bomb strapped to their chest or not? Would you walk the DTES at night?

Have you ever gone on a ride-along to see what the life of a cop is like? If not, please don't judging. Ride-alongs are easily booked, and an interesting experience, take one then come back and comment.

You have 0 faith in the police, probably cause you've been ticketed for some illegal mods to your ride that you thought the police should overlook. I have the utmost faith in the police and have been well-served by them when I have needed them. Treat them with respect and you get it back, treat them like assholes, and well you get tasered.

Tell me why the police should have to deal with a crazy man and a stapler at all? and why this went on for as long as it did after the guy started throwing furniture. Lets not forget the wreckage surrounding the guy that indicates he's been violent recently, its not just about a stapler as those here and the media would suggest.

This man deserved to be tasered, yet not tasered 5 times. The taser did its job, taking down the man, while the officer did not do his job and use his training to stop the use of the taser.

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir

WTF??? Now I understand why you incite so much animosity from CivicBlues.

All your statements above are nothing but mere exaggerations to push your anti-establishmentarianistic agendas. They only hold a small margin of truth to it at best for a supposed well-travelled person. Maybe it's time to get off the drugs Jase.

Noir, do some research on pre-WW2 Germany and you can see how, little by little, rights are taken away and the people eventually fear and distrust the police.

Not to mention how drug money has already been used to corrupt the political system here:

http://lailayuile.wordpress.com/2009...l-in-victoria/

Keep in mind alot of what I say is a bit tongue in cheek to bait CivicBlues to give me a spanking. I like to fire people up by saying some pretty out-there things, but I do temper what I say with a couple grains of honest truth here and there

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by taylor192

Can you tell the difference between someone with a bomb strapped to their chest or not? Would you walk the DTES at night?

Yes, and yes.

First off, people who strap bombs to their chests are either tamils or muslims.

Find me a case where one wasn't?

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Have you ever gone on a ride-along to see what the life of a cop is like? If not, please don't judging. Ride-alongs are easily booked, and an interesting experience, take one then come back and comment.

I have actually, and I dated a cop when I was 19.

Police work was far easier a few decades ago. Far, far easier. Do some research on how violence in society has skyrocketed, the family unit broken down, and violence as mainstream entertainment:

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../295/5564/2377

UFC, anyone?

Not to mention that there is a lot less respect for laws, due to the illegality of what people perceive as harmless. ( Marijuana use )

There is a lot of people who have written and spoke on this subject.

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You have 0 faith in the police, probably cause you've been ticketed for some illegal mods to your ride that you thought the police should overlook. I have the utmost faith in the police and have been well-served by them when I have needed them. Treat them with respect and you get it back, treat them like assholes, and well you get tasered.

No you silly goose, I base this on the fact that in the news you are constantly bombarded with evidence that police abuse their powers.

I have been fucked over by a short-man-syndrome cop before, and my ex girlfriend's friend who is a cop, is a drunk driver who has been caught and released without charge many times.

There are some respectable police out there for sure, people who want the world to be a better place, but the system is broken and merely fuels the corruption we see.

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Tell me why the police should have to deal with a crazy man and a stapler at all? and why this went on for as long as it did after the guy started throwing furniture. Lets not forget the wreckage surrounding the guy that indicates he's been violent recently, its not just about a stapler as those here and the media would suggest.

Ever been through customs man? They are failed cops with chips on their shoulders. If they don't like you, you're fucked. They'll just make you sit there for hours and ignore you as punishment if they don't like your haircut.

Ever heard of the Lightspeed girls?

I came back from Phoenix Forum once, with a video tape of the chicks bouncing naked on a trampoline, the customs officers reviewed it, and then 4 approached me and started calling me "twisted" and "sick" among other things. They asked me if I liked young girls, and hinted that I was some sort of pervert. I told them to FUCK OFF because they're all obviously over 18, and in at least 1:00 of the video YOU CAN SEE TWO PHOENIX COPS WATCHING THE SHOW TOO. I was held in customs for 4 hours while they were trying to figure out what to do with me after trying to berate me for being some sort of pervert. IDIOTS.

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This man deserved to be tasered, yet not tasered 5 times. The taser did its job, taking down the man, while the officer did not do his job and use his training to stop the use of the taser.

How about just 4 cops with clubs? Dude, I could take out that fat old angry polak myself, let alone with a club or 3 guys helping me.

It was at least involuntary manslaughter and those cops need to be fired and jailed.

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 03:09 PM

If life were a D&D game, my alignment would be true neutral

Ok ok, neutral evil

Noir · 03-03-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Noir, do some research on pre-WW2 Germany and you can see how, little by little, rights are taken away and the people eventually fear and distrust the police.

What rights are we taking away from the tourists and immigrants that frequent the YVR? We're certainly not looting them and shipping them off to concentrations camps in the interior.

We're not holding them to ultimatums of absolute compliance. They're not immediately tazered for merely arousing suspicion or for breaches of regulations. The tazering of Dziekanski was the result of an escalated incident.

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Not to mention how drug money has already been used to corrupt the political system here:

http://lailayuile.wordpress.com/2009...l-in-victoria/

Who the hell is Laila Yuile? She's a journalist and blogger and I'd hardly consider her qualified to be an expert. Granted that no government is immune to corruption, but we're still far from likes of Columbia, Panama and Mexico that you seem to equate Canada to.

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Keep in mind alot of what I say is a bit tongue in cheek to bait CivicBlues to give me a spanking. I like to fire people up by saying some pretty out-there things, but I do temper what I say with a couple grains of honest truth here and there

Keep it up, I quite enjoy both your exchanges to each other. I do see those little bits of truths in your statements though, so don't worry, it's not like its completely overlooked or discounted.

SumAznGuy · 03-03-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir

Keep it up, I quite enjoy both your exchanges to each other. I do see those little bits of truths in your statements though, so don't worry, it's not like its completely overlooked or discounted.

Get a room!!!! Dammmm it!!!!

Lomac · 03-03-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Yes, and yes.

First off, people who strap bombs to their chests are either tamils or muslims.

Find me a case where one wasn't?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle598536.ece

SumAznGuy · 03-03-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

How about just 4 cops with clubs? Dude, I could take out that fat old angry polak myself, let alone with a club or 3 guys helping me.

It was at least involuntary manslaughter and those cops need to be fired and jailed.

This is where part of the whole debate lies. So you think you are big and strong. So you think you are a tough guy and take down that one polak? Would you risk your life to show to us how big your e-penis is? How many officers have died in the line of duty? How many officers have been hurt from fighting with a perp? Police procedures have been put in place so that these officers can avoid such unnecessary risks.

Take for example getting pulled over on the side of a busy highway? You ever wonder why they have flashing red and blue lights on their cars? Ever wonder why they pull over and have half of their cars over the line into the other lanes?

By charging them with involuntary man slaughter, would it be fair to charge the officer with dangerous driving, assult with a dangerous weapon when he used his police SUV to run over the dranged driver of the stolen 5 ton farm truck who was driving eratically down Hwy 1 a few months back?

This last one truely opens a great big can of worms. Charging them with involuntary manslaughter while doing their jobs on duty. Hmmmm For the guys who say tazered 5 times, in total the guy was 31 seconds in the 5 zaps. So, is that normal for police protocol? I dunno, I was never trained. Maybe most people are tazered for 30 seconds, all in one zapping?
In the end, this mark will show up on those 4 officer's permenant record and that mark will show up everytime they go for an interview for a promotion. To fire them, it's not like they broke police procedure so that will never fly. If they did break procedure, then the media would have told us already.

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

This is where part of the whole debate lies. So you think you are big and strong. So you think you are a tough guy and take down that one polak? Would you risk your life to show to us how big your e-penis is? How many officers have died in the line of duty? How many officers have been hurt from fighting with a perp? Police procedures have been put in place so that these officers can avoid such unnecessary risks.

IT WAS A FUCKING STAPLER.

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lomac

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle598536.ece

Lomac, did you not see:

"In one of the most extraordinary tales of Islamic radicalisation"

right at the start?

SumAznGuy · 03-03-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

IT WAS A FUCKING STAPLER.

And what are staplers made of? Sugar and spice?

And for the record, there was that dude on Grandville and 14th ave way back who had a pad lock on the end of the chain. That fuktard was gunned down by the police. I don't see no out cry for him.

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

And what are staplers made of? Sugar and spice?

And for the record, there was that dude on Grandville and 14th ave way back who had a pad lock on the end of the chain. That fuktard was gunned down by the police. I don't see no out cry for him.

Hey Azy Guy

How about this, since a stapler, in your mind, is as threatening as a chain with a padlock on the end ( otherwise known as a flail, an actual medieval weapon )

You and I, we meet somewhere, you bring the biggest, baddest stapler you can find, I'll bring a chain with a nice metal padlock on the end. We can find and see who wins! Sounds fair?

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

And what are staplers made of? Sugar and spice?

Was it a london drugs type plastic stapler, or one of those staplers I remember from elementary school that were like the size of a toaster and made of cast iron?

Noir · 03-03-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Lomac, did you not see:

"In one of the most extraordinary tales of Islamic radicalisation"

right at the start?

Well, you did say...

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Yes, and yes.

First off, people who strap bombs to their chests are either tamils or muslims.

Find me a case where one wasn't?

You were only asking for one.

SumAznGuy · 03-03-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Hey Azy Guy

How about this, since a stapler, in your mind, is as threatening as a chain with a padlock on the end ( otherwise known as a flail, an actual medieval weapon )

You and I, we meet somewhere, you bring the biggest, baddest stapler you can find, I'll bring a chain with a nice metal padlock on the end. We can find and see who wins! Sounds fair?

Sure. I will bring the one I use at work. It has an extended arm and uses the industrial grade cardboard staples.

You will be carrying the tiny chain that they use to keep the pens from being stolen. The chain cannot be longer than 2 inches, and the pad lock is the tiny sized ones that come with suitcases.

Hondaracer · 03-03-2009, 04:38 PM

I think that your a little too hung up on the stapler, who gives a shit even if it was a stuffed teddy bear, it were his actions that ultimately cost him his life and in a place like an airport those actions are not taken lightly

Watch an hour of cops Jason and I guarantee you, you will see 3-5 incidents that were recorded, approved by the cops for use on the show, and shown in that hour that are 10000 times worse then this dumb ass polak

Ppl get tasered on cops for taking their hand off the car, this idiots actions waranted everything he got

SumAznGuy · 03-03-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000

Was it a london drugs type plastic stapler, or one of those staplers I remember from elementary school that were like the size of a toaster and made of cast iron?

Maybe it was one of those Red Swingline ones from "office space"?

Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler....

Jason00S2000 · 03-03-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Noir

Well, you did say...

You were only asking for one.

Yeah and he provided a case where the woman was a muslim, a white, western muslim, but a muslim

I know the Japanese killed themselves during WW2 using kamikaze attacks, but aside from tamils and muslims I don't know of any other particular groups that have used suicide bomb tactics?