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SkinnyPupp 04-26-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ZhangFei (Post 6398942)
If the Chinese didn't want the CCP, they would have rebelled a long time ago.

Umm they did. And they got ran over by tanks for it.

China has basically been whipped into submission, fooled into thinking that money is everything in life, and you think that means they are living free.

You morons should all just move there. Hopefully Revscene is one of the sites that is blocked by the government so we never see you again. :thumbsup:

asian_XL 04-26-2009 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by asahai69 (Post 6398910)
ok. in my opinion china's government sucks ass. better?


not trying to point my fingers at you, but why do people care so much about
other people's government and stuff? or try to raise people's attention when
the locals don't even think it's a big matter. Chinese people love President
Wen and his policies. Look at Fetched, SFUdropoff and other socialist elites
on RS, they'll murder their gf just to show you how much they love their
government, I see so many of them on forums and all over the world (as well
check out the beating in Korea before Beijing Olympic, so many supporters)

If the local people are upset, just like those retards in Bangkok, then it's
safe to say the government sucks ass or impotent.

ZhangFei 04-26-2009 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 6398950)
Umm they did. And they got ran over by tanks for it.

China has basically been whipped into submission, fooled into thinking that money is everything in life, and you think that means they are living free.

You morons should all just move there. Hopefully Revscene is one of the sites that is blocked by the government so we never see you again. :thumbsup:

So what's your point?

A rebellion is not a tea party.

If you look at history, the Chinese people did manage to overthrow the Qing Dynasty. The people got together and they finally did manage to topple the Manchu government.

If the people are fed up with the CCP, there will be civil disorder. As of now there are only small brush-fires.

The only "threat" to china is falun gong. Too bad the falun gong is a peaceful non-violent religion.. hahaha because if they were violent, ain't no telling, we probably would have Li hongzi as president of China. hahaha

asian_XL 04-26-2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp (Post 6398950)
Umm they did. And they got ran over by tanks for it.

China has basically been whipped into submission, fooled into thinking that money is everything in life, and you think that means they are living free.

You morons should all just move there. Hopefully Revscene is one of the sites that is blocked by the government so we never see you again. :thumbsup:

^ Fart Lun Gung is another example.

If a country / economy prospers, people tend to welcome their government.
It's normal and it also goes the other way around (look at Hong Kong right
now for example)

asian_XL 04-26-2009 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ZhangFei (Post 6399004)
So what's your point?

A rebellion is not a tea party.

If you look at history, the Chinese people did manage to overthrow the Qing Dynasty. The people got together and they finally did manage to topple the Manchu government.

If the people are fed up with the CCP, there will be civil disorder. As of now there are only small brush-fires.

The only "threat" to china is falun gong. Too bad the falun gong is a peaceful non-violent religion.. hahaha because if they were violent, ain't no telling, we probably would have Li hongzi as president of China. hahaha


why would chinese overthrow the CCP, when it is making its people rich?

Qing was overthrown cause that queen bitch was keeping all the money.
Ming was overthrown cause the country was weak ass
Yuen was overthrown cause internal political cohesion disintegrated and aboriginal chinese people were discriminated by the Mongolians. etc etc
Sung was overthrown cause the government declined the status for the military elite thought it would avoid rebellion, but got ass annexed by Mongolians.

Lesson learned. 1) citizens should have money 2)government structure must be strong 3) military power is a must

Meowjin 04-27-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 6398993)
not trying to point my fingers at you, but why do people care so much about
other people's government and stuff? or try to raise people's attention when
the locals don't even think it's a big matter. Chinese people love President
Wen and his policies. Look at Fetched, SFUdropoff and other socialist elites
on RS, they'll murder their gf just to show you how much they love their
government, I see so many of them on forums and all over the world (as well
check out the beating in Korea before Beijing Olympic, so many supporters)

If the local people are upset, just like those retards in Bangkok, then it's
safe to say the government sucks ass or impotent.


So if a canadian dies in a foreign country or their ambassadors gets excucuted for slander we shouldn't care?

Human Suffering is universal, anyways. And even in the orthodox church we have a day to commomerate the martyr's who have been around in china since the 17th century just because of what they believed.

http://orthodoxwiki.org/images/3/30/ChineseMartyrs.jpg

Not only that, these people were ambassadors of faith, missionaries and had strong ties towards russia.

fetched 04-27-2009 12:38 AM

people can believe whatever they want in China, as long as you don't go to people's houses telling them how great jesus is.
Face it, China is prospering like there's no tomorrow and the only people complaining about human rights are you people and the chinese traitors who got a free green card from USA along with harvard degrees just to talk shit about China.
Maybe if Canada had 10% of the productivity level in China, you wouldn't need immigrants to power your country.

Sid Vicious 04-27-2009 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by fetched (Post 6399216)
people can believe whatever they want in China, as long as you don't go to people's houses telling them how great jesus is.
Face it, China is prospering like there's no tomorrow and the only people complaining about human rights are you people and the chinese traitors who got a free green card from USA along with harvard degrees just to talk shit about China.
Maybe if Canada had 10% of the productivity level in China, you wouldn't need immigrants to power your country.

Canada has a higher GDP per capita than china. epic lulz. you fail at life, try again.

and wtf does jesus have to do with anything?

impactX 04-27-2009 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fetched (Post 6399216)
people can believe whatever they want in China, as long as you don't go to people's houses telling them how great jesus is.
Face it, China is prospering like there's no tomorrow and the only people complaining about human rights are you people and the chinese traitors who got a free green card from USA along with harvard degrees just to talk shit about China.
Maybe if Canada had 10% of the productivity level in China, you wouldn't need immigrants to power your country.

Funny how you conveniently ignored my previous reply directed towards you.

fetched 04-27-2009 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by impactX (Post 6399222)
Funny how you ignored my previous reply directed towards you.

okay i'll reply wait please. i'm playing a game of dota right now.

fetched 04-27-2009 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid Vicious (Post 6399220)
Canada has a higher GDP per capita than china. epic lulz. you fail at life, try again.

and wtf does jesus have to do with anything?

Don't compare GDP against China, 1.3 billion vs 35mil.
Talking about jesus because that's what majin focuses on.
What i meant is what you see on a daily basis.
Everyone chills the fuck out in Vancouver, but in ASIA, you'll see what pressure means and how much they can get done in a day.
I don't have proof but it's just a observation.

ZhangFei 04-27-2009 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 6399049)
why would chinese overthrow the CCP, when it is making its people rich?

Qing was overthrown cause that queen bitch was keeping all the money.
Ming was overthrown cause the country was weak ass
Yuen was overthrown cause internal political cohesion disintegrated and aboriginal chinese people were discriminated by the Mongolians. etc etc
Sung was overthrown cause the government declined the status for the military elite thought it would avoid rebellion, but got ass annexed by Mongolians.

Lesson learned. 1) citizens should have money 2)government structure must be strong 3) military power is a must

I said IF the Chinese didn't want the CCP, they will rebel.

We threw out so many corrupt dynasties its nothing for the people to do it again.

fetched 04-27-2009 01:14 AM

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Fact There are people who want democracy in China. Such people are constantly stalked by police. Ironically, some people are actually real socialists, who want the government to take care of its people better. Their discussion forum gets shut down until they could find a more proper name so it doesn't offend the Communist Government. The TV programme that talked about this was done by TVB and not CNN and I am glad that TVB is not self-censoring.
My comment How insecure can the communist government be

2) Fact China is still a backward country in terms of human right. Example Lands get seized from citizens without decent compensation.
My comment I don't think people are asking for universal suffrage in terms of choosing a political party as China's government. China already admitted that it will NEVER happen and the Communist Party will be the only party in China. What people are asking for is that they can criticize the government without repercussion (such as being tried for Treason, being followed and having their properties seized). There's so much corruption in every level of the Chinese government that there's not much accountability when the people don't get to vote.

Of course it's easy for you to sit in front of monitor in CANADA and praise about how well you could have it in China. You can shit on the Canadian Government all night long with no fear about the RCMP or CSIS knocking on your door (providing that you are not planning a terrorist attack.) In fact#1 above, the left-wing socialists got their computers seized for hosting a socialist forum.

3) Fact China always gets pissed when the Japanese PM goes and visit the war shrine.
My comment Why should China get pissed They are essentially doing the same shit. The Japanese never admitted their wrongdoings during WWII in China, just like how China never admitted their wrongdoings during the Cultural Revolution, Great Leap Forward and the Tienanmen Square murdering.

I would respect the current leaders of China if they actually come out and admit their mistakes. And no, none of this is related to oh go visit China and look at how prosperous it is! And don't get me started with the children with no arms and legs controlled by the mobs to beg for money... or the children selling flowers... and last but not least, the thieves (more like robbers) who are HIV-positive threatening you with a syringe of his blood. It made walking along Main and Hastings feel like a walk in the park.

Here's a question for you Since you were from the Mainland China, what connections did you have to use to get out of China It would be nice to see what you needed to do to achieve that.
1. I agree, media censorship is one of the things in China that has to change. Anything regarding sensitive information regarding China is censored. But that isn't to say western media isn't brainwashing fools like Skinnypup, who chooses to report bloodshed over peace and people have the assumption that all the negative things they say on TV happens to 1.3 billion people in China, when you are only seeing one individuals view.

2. WRONG. China have improved on what you call the seizure of land. During the Olympics, people were asked to leave with a good compensation package, some houses were even illegal properties and the government paid for those too. Of course there are going to be people unhappy about it and refusing to leave, but this is how business gets done in China, we don't take a year to have a couple houses removed for a 1 billion dollar project.

3. CORRUPTION. China has one of the worst corruptions of government in the world, but IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF HOW THE GOVERNMENT OPERATES. Look at Taiwan, they are a tiny country and their government is way worst than China on every scale, except human rights. When you manage a country of 1.3 billion people, corruption occurs frequently as no matter how good the government monitors different individuals, it will still happen. Even in BC, with a population of a small chinese city, BC RAILS/LIBERALS/PREMIER/MAYOR/POLICE CHIEF, corruption exist here in every level of authority as well.

4. I came here legally because of my parent's level of excellence in their educational/field of work.

5. If you believe in freedom and democracy about 1.3 billion china people, i hope that you can show us by apologizing to that person which you accused of stealing on the basis of what he was charged but not yet judged. Due process is widely discussed in this thread and you basically skipped it just like what people think China does.

6. China does not need to acknowledge anything to anyone besides their own countrymen, everyone in China knows about the cultural revolution, the tiananmen square incident, and the great leap forward. People have come accustomed to it and moved on from it, every country makes mistakes and to most chinese people, the cultural revolution and the great leap forward was two of the most important moves that made China what it is today ( Red army killed landlords who had 10+ slaves and living lavishly while they tortured,raped, killed them whenever they felt like it <- Mind you this happened when KMT was in control, that's why red army was created in the first place, made up of peasants, middle class, and students.). I wouldn't have to explain what Japan did to the Chinese and Koreans but your fucking stupid for even mentioning it.

7. The syringe? That incident happened a few years ago and there was only couple incidents regarding it. Do you want me to talk about how dangerous Vancouver is compared to Beijing? Kid's selling flowers is wrong, Police/City Control Enforcers arrests any individual that uses kids for business purpose. what are you trying to prove? China has more weird crimes than Vancouver? Speaking of Crimes, its treated harsher in China than anywhere else in the world, and is needed to govern 1.3 billion people. If China had the same sentence as it carries for murder here in Canada, dayum, GG. By the way, your examples isn't related to your argument at all, crimes and human rights don't relate.

We could continue to go back and forth all day, but the bottom line is, more freedom will come in time. It will come when China's economy becomes stable, until then, it's back to taking the #1 spot from USA.
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PS: Skinnypup, you are undoubtly the most uneducated person on revscene to date. Not only do you not know anything regarding China and its past, you have no business sense whatsoever but i won't get into that because it affects the RS advertising spectrum. Just stick to selling face wash and stop your ranting about China, because rather than providing facts about China, all you've been doing is sayin things like "your dumb, your stupid, your ignorant, imma say sorry to your mom for giving birth to you"

Meowjin 04-27-2009 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fetched (Post 6399224)
okay i'll reply wait please. i'm playing a game of dota right now.

Funny because you claimed in a thread, where you tried to insult me during a dota game as "the guy who bragged to revscene that he had a TL" that it wasn't you, and you would never be caught playing a loser game such as dota.

lol liar.

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Originally Posted by fetched (Post 6268535)
I don't play dota.
I don't message/PM you.
I bet you still have scars from people calling you a fatty/hamburger when you were young.
I don't know what the fuck your talking about but calling anyone out in the game of dota on RS is fucking hilarious.
Keep calling people cheap by tipping 3 dollars for a free denny's meal cause we all know you the real e-balla
You sure dominate me so much in a video game online, because you know, it wasn't me, but i'm glad that you were thinking of me all this time.

<3 Majin :haha:


fetched 04-27-2009 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 6399271)
Funny because you claimed in a thread, where you tried to insult me during a dota game as "the guy who bragged to revscene that he had a TL" that it wasn't you, and you would never be caught playing a loser game such as dota.

lol liar.

HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!
yah i lied, but i laughed the whole 2 pages where you got flamed at.
good times good times.
Shall we meet in dota again?:haha:

asian_XL 04-27-2009 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane (Post 6399204)
So if a canadian dies in a foreign country or their ambassadors gets excucuted for slander we shouldn't care?

yeah, you think our government actually did something for those soliders who died in iraq? did they send a plane to Thailand to resecue those tourists in Thailand last year? I bet we care doesn't mean our government cares.

SkinnyPupp 04-27-2009 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fetched (Post 6399247)
PS: Skinnypup, you are undoubtly the most uneducated person on revscene to date. Not only do you not know anything regarding China and its past, you have no business sense whatsoever but i won't get into that because it affects the RS advertising spectrum. Just stick to selling face wash and stop your ranting about China, because rather than providing facts about China, all you've been doing is sayin things like "your dumb, your stupid, your ignorant, imma say sorry to your mom for giving birth to you"

I would have closed this thread earlier, but there were still some people making semi-constructive posts. But as you know, deconstructive flaming (making fun of my wife's business, etc) is not to be tolerated. So I will just hand out points and close this thread once and for all.


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