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wouwou 04-28-2009 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by tool001 (Post 6400920)
give back tibet! and ill buy these artifcats and give them to u, personally
time wise, shouldnt you buy back the artifacts and return them, THEN the Chinese government give back Tibet?

Good luck making 20 million Euros :haha:

wouwou 04-28-2009 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 91LS-VTak (Post 6400721)
China lost the war. Deal with the consequences. But don't worry, you guys conquered Tibet. You can be proud of that:thumbsup:
Well according to France last month, Tibet belongs to China.

"France fully recognizes the importance and sensitivity of the Tibet issue and reaffirms its adherence to the one-China policy and the position that Tibet is an integral part of the Chinese territory, in accordance with the decision made by General Charles de Gaulle, which has not changed and will remain unchanged. Based on this spirit and the principle of non-interference in each other's internal affairs, France refuses to support any form of "Tibet independence".

and the Chinese people is very grateful at the Americans, who started the recession or what not :haha:

tool001 04-28-2009 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wouwou (Post 6400953)
time wise, shouldnt you buy back the artifacts and return them, THEN the Chinese government give back Tibet?

Good luck making 20 million Euros :haha:
read between the linese,, it aint gonna happen. :haha:

wouwou 04-28-2009 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by tool001 (Post 6400968)
read between the linese,, it aint gonna happen. :haha:
I know, I am just saying for the sake of saying it.

The thread is way to good for time killing to pass it on.

ZhangFei 04-28-2009 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by DDauge (Post 6400917)
just what I thought..
No DDauge. Taiwan is guilty of stealing precious Chinese artifacts from the mainland too!!

shame on you!!

MegaMx 04-28-2009 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Synaptik (Post 6400132)
just let it go brah, the day will come when china rules the world and these french fuckers will be begging for us to take the artifacts back ;)
r-tard

LethalLaw 04-28-2009 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ienhz (Post 6400424)
They should keep the artifacts or else French children might think surrendering has been a long-standing tradition of the French.
hahahah i lol'd

wouwou 04-28-2009 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ZhangFei (Post 6401062)
No DDauge. Taiwan is guilty of stealing precious Chinese artifacts from the mainland too!!

shame on you!!
As much As I love China, I will have to agree that had they not take the artifacts away 60 years ago, they would have been destroyed during that cultural revolution thing.

rsx 04-28-2009 11:44 AM
morons, everyone steals from everyone. Like others have said, if you feel so strongly about these artifacts, get off this land because it belongs to the Aboriginal..same diff, but on a bigger scale.

wouwou 04-28-2009 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rsx (Post 6401125)
morons, everyone steals from everyone. Like others have said, if you feel so strongly about these artifacts, get off this land because it belongs to the Aboriginal..same diff, but on a bigger scale.
Oh I am sorry, I was under the impression that the French did not apologize for what they did, unlike Canada or Australia who did.

I guess I was wrong.

sulos 04-29-2009 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DDauge (Post 6399787)
Nah I'm not whining. I am just trying to show how ridiculous it is when the french got so angry that Chinese people are making fake LVs, when in fact the wrong they done to China and still doing are much worse.

Keep in mind though, copy right law is a western concept, more ever, it is more of a civil matter rather than moral matter..for alot of people, taking other people's concept is learning, not stealing.

Think about the follow scenario. a white guy goes to Japan and learn how to make sushi..he then returns to canada and starts a Japanese resturant and sells sushi. Can Japan sue him for stealing Japanese culture and profiting at a loss of authentic Japanese chef? No becuase it isn't protected.

So on a simliar regard, who decides what to be protected and what not to be protected?
it's okay for a westerner to sell "Japanese" sushi and damaging the sales of authentic Japanese returants because its not copyright protected, but it is not okay for a Chinese guy to sell "fake LV" and damaging french bag makers...
both acts are of the same nature, but one is protected and another is not. Therefore the situation is more of a civil matter than a moral one.

Why should the french expect Chinese to follow copy right laws, when in fact what they are doing are exactly the same in the eyes of Chinese but cannot be punished?

Counterfeiting will still continue as long as the west still hasn't paid back its debt.
that makes no sense, stop eat sandwiches because the chinese didn't invent those.

debt? why don't you go back to china since it is such a great place and stop crying on the internet.

DDauge 04-29-2009 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by sulos (Post 6402585)
that makes no sense, stop eat sandwiches because the chinese didn't invent those.

debt? why don't you go back to china since it is such a great place and stop crying on the internet.
what's your point?

nobody's crying on the net, I'm only pointing out the irony of it. And mind you I am not even from China.

if this post is too deep for you to understand, feel free to go on to other "NWS" or youtube threads and quit writting trash here.

Graeme S 04-29-2009 01:42 PM
The more you complain about the unchangable injustices of the past, the less you can think about and act towards the future.

Ferra 04-29-2009 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by achiam (Post 6399796)
The line of ownership by law depends on if it was legally obtained.
For example, if you unknowingly purchased a car that had fake VINs and was in fact stolen or had a lien, it would be repossessed from you and returned to its rightful owner - you would not be compensated by anyone as ignorance is not legally admissible.

It is for this same reason that Art collections are currently being returned to Jewish families from Nazi seizures during WW2, as well as Russian art and treasures being returned to Russia which were plundered from Imperialist palaces in St Petersburg by advancing Nazis.

Legally then, the artifacts were stolen during War, which by today's standards would be War Crimes.

How it plays out in the courts will be a fight between lawyers.
All this laws and stuffs only applies if there is a higher power. When it is against 2 large countries, law means shit. It will just come down to who has the bigger gun.
heck, look at US invasion of iraq. it was illegal but who's gonna do anything about it.

Synaptik 04-30-2009 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MegaMx (Post 6401083)
r-tard
let me guess; youre not chinese? :cry: more

gnu5 05-02-2009 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MegaMx (Post 6399899)
How dare you f**king sell your house and land when your ancestors robbed it from the Natives..

Get a life, the french have every right to auction it off. If I had enough money I'd buy it and burn the stamp just to spite you.
uhh im just guessing, but i think the stamp they are talking about, is a type of seal used as a signature....not a postage stamp.....

dna82 05-02-2009 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DDauge (Post 6399681)
Have you guys saw the news of some french company trying to auction the Imeprial Qing dynasty stamp that they robbed from China during the invasion?

What shameless people...how would the french feel if the Chinese goes into france and rob the french museum and then auctions the crown of king Louis?

I guess thats why the Chinese people don't feel guilty making counterfeit LVs and crap...since what the french people have done to China is far worse..at least the Chinese didn't invade french and go robbing the LV factory.


For those who didn't know what disgraceful the pirates from the west are, see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Protocol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion

foreigners in Beijing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fo..._Rebellion.jpg

news of frenchman selling Chinese artifacts from a while back.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_169153.html

you, are a tool.
you are the reason why people have a general animosity towards China.

bing 05-02-2009 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by silk (Post 6399752)
we lost in a war, they entitled the possession.
It's a shame other country is selling our goods, but its history, the winner deserves every bits and pieces.

It's fair game, I'm just hoping they dont whine and cry when things go the other way.
fair? a war?
right... get your facts straight buddy.

china wanted nothing to do with any other country, so these 8 nations forced their way in. its common knowledge among chinese people.

m!chael 05-02-2009 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DDauge (Post 6399787)
Nah I'm not whining. I am just trying to show how ridiculous it is when the french got so angry that Chinese people are making fake LVs, when in fact the wrong they done to China and still doing are much worse.

Keep in mind though, copy right law is a western concept, more ever, it is more of a civil matter rather than moral matter..for alot of people, taking other people's concept is learning, not stealing.

Think about the follow scenario. a white guy goes to Japan and learn how to make sushi..he then returns to canada and starts a Japanese resturant and sells sushi. Can Japan sue him for stealing Japanese culture and profiting at a loss of authentic Japanese chef? No becuase it isn't protected.

So on a simliar regard, who decides what to be protected and what not to be protected?
it's okay for a westerner to sell "Japanese" sushi and damaging the sales of authentic Japanese returants because its not copyright protected, but it is not okay for a Chinese guy to sell "fake LV" and damaging french bag makers...
both acts are of the same nature, but one is protected and another is not. Therefore the situation is more of a civil matter than a moral one.

Why should the french expect Chinese to follow copy right laws, when in fact what they are doing are exactly the same in the eyes of Chinese but cannot be punished?

Counterfeiting will still continue as long as the west still hasn't paid back its debt.
LOLLLLLL
What if that debt is in bonds and it matures in 10 years. In your stupid logic basically the bank would be able to take my computer because my parents haven't paid off their 25 year mortgage

vancitylove 05-02-2009 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ZhangFei (Post 6401062)
No DDauge. Taiwan is guilty of stealing precious Chinese artifacts from the mainland too!!

shame on you!!
what are you talking about. china is keeping its valuables in its american protected province. it's got a whole american fleet protecting it. how much safer can it be?

StylinRed 05-02-2009 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferra (Post 6402754)
heck, look at US invasion of iraq. it was illegal but who's gonna do anything about it.
they looted a shit load of artifacts too

asahai69 05-02-2009 06:10 PM
LOL. if the french army invaded you and actually won. then u don't deserve to keep anything.

wouwou 05-02-2009 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by asahai69 (Post 6407032)
LOL. if the french army invaded you and actually won. then u don't deserve to keep anything.
actually, its a joint invasion by 8 countries.

If the French Army did invaded and won by themselves, I dont think anyone would be complaining lol

El Bastardo 05-02-2009 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by DDauge

I guess thats why the Chinese people don't feel guilty making counterfeit LVs and crap...since what the french people have done to China is far worse..at least the Chinese didn't invade french and go robbing the LV factory.


Didn't I already have this argument with you? The Chinese counterfeiters are stealing INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY from someone else. They are taking someone else's artistic talent, their design, their advertisement and promotion, their brand. Their hard fucking work and selling it as their own.

Not only are they spitting in the face of everyone involved in that project from the logo designers to the people hired to make commercials but they're also cheapening the product by creating sub-standard copies that some people may believe is the real thing.


I'm not saying taking artifacts during pillaging is any less awful and deplorable, I'm saying that they're different fucking arguments


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