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05-22-2009, 01:14 PM
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#51 | | I am Hook'd on RS
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Isn't the damn ride next Friday again? Burrard Street Bridge at rush hour. Through Downtown...Sigh
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05-22-2009, 01:16 PM
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#52 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by taylor192  Lookup how many things you get excluded from when you have a criminal record, then come back and say this again tough guy. | a good lawyer here in vancouver is not hard to comeby....plus our justice system is weak...
money and a reason to hurt someone with a good lawyer will yeild some good results for the defense...
i know with first hand experience (no criminal record)...even if you get a criminal record, wait a few years and get a pardon/ file destruction....its not like he got caught shipping drugs across the border.
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05-22-2009, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Great68 Try me pansy ass.
Takes quite a bit to get me angry, but touching my car would set me off immediately. | and your ass would be in jail.
No judge is going to accept "he touched my car" as a viable excuse, sorry to rain on your parade.
I'm sure your car has been touched many times in parking lots, without your knowledge. Get over yourself.
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05-22-2009, 01:20 PM
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#54 | | Banned (ABWS)
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Originally Posted by Supafly money and a reason to hurt someone with a good lawyer will yeild some good results for the defense...
i know with first hand experience (no criminal record)...even if you get a criminal record, wait a few years and get a pardon/ file destruction....its not like he got caught shipping drugs across the border. | LOL at "good reason" hopefully the judge has a bike.
LOL at waiting a few years. No thanks, if its worth it to you, you're an idiot.
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05-22-2009, 01:21 PM
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#55 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by taylor192 and your ass would be in jail.
No judge is going to accept "he touched my car" as a viable excuse, sorry to rain on your parade.
I'm sure your car has been touched many times in parking lots, without your knowledge. Get over yourself. | it would end up being his word against the other....the crown will probably put out a clause that neither of them are to see each other for a few months...
One can say he was defending himself as he felt threatened when the cyclist banged on his car...sounds stupid but it works.
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05-22-2009, 01:24 PM
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#56 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by taylor192 Lookup how many things you get excluded from when you have a criminal record, then come back and say this again tough guy. | im curious, would you not be upset if some douche, walked up to your car, smashed your window infront of your face..and walked away?...what would you do?...call the police and pay a 300 deductable and not wanting to shit kick the kid? 
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05-22-2009, 01:25 PM
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#57 | | Banned (ABWS)
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Originally Posted by Supafly it would end up being his word against the other....the crown will probably put out a clause that neither of them are to see each other for a few months...
One can say he was defending himself as he felt threatened when the cyclist banged on his car...sounds stupid but it works. | You have obviously never been to court.
You only have the right to defend yourself, not to attack the other party. If you're inside your car and someone is leaning on it, the judge would rule "then you should've stayed in your car".
Stop stretching, you're only digging a hole.
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05-22-2009, 01:31 PM
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#58 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by taylor192 You have obviously never been to court.
You only have the right to defend yourself, not to attack the other party. If you're inside your car and someone is leaning on it, the judge would rule "then you should've stayed in your car".
Stop stretching, you're only digging a hole. | i have been to court, for assault and assault with a deadly weapon...my case got dropped because one, he has no evidence, and its his word against mine.
they had a warrant for my arrest, searched my car, no weapon... the guy lied (i had no weapon and i did not hit him or even try), and i spent a day in court, only to waste time as the crown tossed the case as soon as both parties stated their cases...
bottom line, if theres a will, theres a way..the system has a lot of loop holes, and if you got the money; you got the upperhand.
you haven't lived in vancouver long enough to understand, that the bad guy always wins.
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05-22-2009, 01:31 PM
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#59 | | Banned (ABWS)
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Originally Posted by Supafly im curious, would you not be upset if some douche, walked up to your car, smashed your window infront of your face..and walked away?...what would you do?...call the police and pay a 300 deductable and not wanting to shit kick the kid? | A question for you:
Ever been beaten by a gang of 10 teens with bats after leaving a bar? cause your buddy hit on their GF at the bar.
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Sure I'd want to kill the kid, yet learned a long time ago its not worth it.
In my neighbourhood in Ottawa, doing such would only ensure the kid's friends would find my car (easy to find, it stands out) and me one night and much worse would be done.
Beating the kid up doesn't get my deductible back.
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Plus my previous job was in military, criminal records are frowned upon.
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05-22-2009, 01:32 PM
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#60 | | Banned (ABWS)
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Originally Posted by Supafly i have been to court, for assault and assault with a deadly weapon...my case got dropped because one, he has no evidence, and its his word against mine.
they had a warrant for my arrest, searched my car, no weapon... the guy lied, and i spent a day in court, only to waste time as the crown tossed the case as soon as both parties stated their cases...
bottom line, if theres a will, theres a way..the system has a lot of loop holes, and if you got the money; you got the upperhand. | You're a great role model!  | |
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05-22-2009, 01:40 PM
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#61 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by taylor192 You're a great role model! | hey i never said i was the perfect guy....when someone puts you and your family in danger, you will defend yourself with whatever you got, and you will fight to the death to defend your family...
something you will understand when you have a young family.
we're going off-topic....back to critical mass....
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05-22-2009, 01:46 PM
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#62 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by taylor192 A question for you:
Beating the kid up doesn't get my deductible back.
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One thing in vancouver is, if someone messes with your belongings, you make sure that kid does not come back for revenge...and one way of doing that is to work him hard enough; get his ID and tell him if he comes back, you'll go to his house and rain something other than water droplets.
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05-22-2009, 01:48 PM
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#63 | | Banned (ABWS)
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Originally Posted by Supafly hey i never said i was the perfect guy....when someone puts you and your family in danger, you will defend yourself with whatever you got, and you will fight to the death to defend your family...
something you will understand when you have a young family.
we're going off-topic....back to critical mass.... | Yes back to CM and defending your family from rogue bikers who lean against your car. | |
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05-22-2009, 01:50 PM
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#64 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
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Originally Posted by taylor192 Yes back to CM and defending your family from rogue bikers who lean against your car. | lol 
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05-22-2009, 01:53 PM
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bikes only belong to the bike rack of the car or in the park...thats it
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05-22-2009, 02:25 PM
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#66 | | "They call me Bowser...RawR!"
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If cyclists are going to use the roads, chances are, they will get into accidents. They should be required to get plates for their bikes and buy insurance like everyone else. I drive through downtown everyday and too many times I see crazy bike couriers weaving through cars, hit a car and just take off.
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05-22-2009, 02:35 PM
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#67 | | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon If cyclists are going to use the roads, chances are, they will get into accidents. They should be required to get plates for their bikes and buy insurance like everyone else. I drive through downtown everyday and too many times I see crazy bike couriers weaving through cars, hit a car and just take off. | The above statement is the same thing I have been thinking about for a long time.
Obviously insurance rates would be extremely low, but as bikes are on the same road ways as cars they can be (although bikers would love to think differently) the “at fault party” in an accident, they should be required to have plates and pay a small amount of insurance to cover any damages caused.
In my opinion, this would make it safer for both the cyclist and the vehicles around them. I am sure there are bugs to be worked out of the above, but certainly it would have a positive effect on both the way cyclists ride through traffic, and they way they are treated by the cars around them.
As for CM, I think it’s currently a bull shit grouping of mostly goof balls just jumping in to participate in the group ride, without the actual thought on how this would effect the “Cause”. I am all for as many ways as we can to make a greener planet, but I believe CM is not the right way of going about it, and only turning more and more “non cyclists” against the general “cyclist” population.
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05-22-2009, 02:59 PM
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#68 | | My homepage has been set to RS
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Originally Posted by taylor192 We have 2M people and Surrey is becoming the next biggest city in Canada.
We don't have freeways, which will make sprawl that much worse.
Biking isn't the solution, yet its part of the solution. | It's not a very good solution for what you're talking about at all.
Freeways give reason for ppl to spread out. Notice how we're such a compact city compared to many of the US cities? It's because our road system is slow. We can't cover the same distance in a reasonable amt of time.
Freeways make sprawl. It doesn't happen w/o roads and bad city planning.
This makes you married to your car because transit can't possible be viable economically nor practically when it takes more money to build and service those distances while, at the same time, offering horrible service that nobody wants. Smaller distances + more density = better transit.
LA is 13M ppl spread out all over. A 1 hr commute is not that bad. I thought it would be more.
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