because they don't want to.

VTAK Y0!!!11!!

how much HP do you need to drive around vancouver? unless you need to win every stop light race I can't see the real need for tons of HP.

I had a v6, drive an i4 now and I get everywhere in the same amount of time.

It really depends on your driving style. I don't need a lot of horsepower for the daily commute or to get around but I do need the horsepower (5-6 second car) and good car dynamics for the leisure car to take out for a spin to cypress/squamish.

not really... they are okay for horsepower... the new accord has a pretty beefy V6

well ya that's understandable for the extra hp. my point was that driving in van, even w/lots of extra hp you won't get anywhere much faster bcs there are so many cars + traffic lights.

No point in having a powerful car. A Honda Civic is more than enough for traffic in this city. Tons of drivers having the balls to drive 40km on the city street.

jeff, you make lots of good points. and I agree that Honda makes some brilliant and very racey engines. but most ppl can't take advantage of what Honda has to offer as they want low-end power for daily driving. not to mention most ppl are afraid to stomp on the gas pedal. I think the OP prefers an engine with low-mid range grunt.

GRAMMAR

LACKS

TORQUE

Fuck! At least hold a proper command of the English language when you land here from Hong Kong! You're making myself and other Chinese Canadian immigrants look torrid!

they are not under powered

they are over priced.

lol. this thread also reminds me of that too... oh wait, that thread was created by me. :D
now it was also claimed Rav4 V6 does 0-60 in 6 seconds. :p

that's what most ppl told the guy with v6 camry, but he insisted with daily drive, straight acceleration is more important and there's not much to make turn anyway. :rolleyes:

they are neither.

Compare a MDX to a FX35.

Both got around 300hp. yet the FX is more expensive.

When you shop for an Acura around the year end sale, you really notice the difference. Last year they were selling the MDX/CSX for 10G's off for last years models.

Wait, wait, wait.

Your first problem is that you are a dude driving a mini cooper convertible :D

^LOL

They rev high, power is all at the top! Doesnt need to have 500hp to be quick around a track.

In the late 80s and early 90s, Honda sold a lot of cars because they provided pretty decent value. Sure, they didn't have great numbers, but they provided decent handling (for FWD cars) and had relatively advanced suspensions (double-wishbone suspensions were considered 'elite' in those days.) Also, the seat fabrics and interior materials were pretty darn good compared to the rest of the competition. Moreover, most Hondas had great ergonomics and low cowls which made them easy to drive and park (notice that for the average 5'10" to 6' guy, the driving position just works?). Of course I'm biased, but after sitting in some new cars, I think that my 17 year old Integra has better quality materials than some cars today with fabric inserts in the doors and vinyl that doesn't look nor feel cheap (which after a bit of fading has stood the test of time.)

I really like the new TSX. But I do think it needs a bit more power. But on second thot, 4 cyclinder w/ 200hp is more than enough for the city.

last winter i literally drove my 95 civic everyday w/out problems of going up hill or being stuck with the snow. i didn't see many high hp pow wow vehicles moving, i even waved at a few as i drove by =)

my 3000K civic > 60K+ pow wows.

What you need is torque. :)

You worry about stuff like apostrophes and capitalization on a forum?

get a lifes

very underpowered

tsx v6 being rel. in 2010
http://www.acura.com/ModelLanding.aspx?model=TSX

Please learn to read, I did state that current hondas at the dealership simply just don't give much bang for the $, CRX SIs, NSX, Type R integra... S2000 is practically obsolete too.

The baja 1000 win is the first after 3 years, and all the engine, transmission, suspension, spaceframe, tires have been tweaked by honda, and please don't try to tell me that's a stock car even though it's in a stock series and even then, the baja series is largely driver based, unlike F1 which is largely a display of the manufacturer

as it would turn the same lap times as their current scrap with 1/3 of the horsepower

examples please

But maybe I'll give one
NSX vs cheaper 911, similar power, similar track times

Now don't get me wrong I like the S2k, but if you're trying to tell me that's worth 50k, even after almost 10 years on the market...

This thread is all about performance, and bang for the buck, HP per litre doesn't help...

And all this about being first and innovative, that's not what the OP is buying... it doesn't matter NO ONE GIVES A SHIT it's the present that matters

Sure a GTi needs a turbo, but for the same price as an Si it's more practical, powerful, better gearbox, stiffer chassis, better interior, Just as good on gas.
The Si weighs a good 400lbs less than the GTi so come on... with only 10 hp less, it has so much going for it, lower centre of gravity, massive weight difference, coupe shape why is it only a tiny bit better on the track if better at all?

As an everyday runabout sports car GTI FTW anyday

and to an answer to the OP's question, YES

When I was shopping for a new car and I took one look at a Civic Si and said "If I have to run premium gas, It's going to have enough power to be worth it" and then I moved along.