:facepalm: x10

Was that the look you mother had when she found out she was pregnant with you.

white > immigrants

fucking immigrants, hate them

Oh did I hurt your wittle Si loving fewwings?

Awwww.

See your logic admits the MS3 is so awesome it belongs in a class with RWD sports cars.

Not in a class with other FWD sport compacts where one would typically think it belongs.

Now now, no personal attacks.. whats wrong with a good debate?

My logic is that the MS3 costs 10g more then an Si. It's like comparing the MS3 to a car that costs 10g more then it, like a 370z for example. I sure hope the 370z is better, because it costs 10g more. See?

Actually I think a good comparison is the Cobalt SSTC to the MS3 and Si. Similar (if not more) performance compared to a MS3, but cheaper then an Si.

I can hear "But its a Cobalt!" already...but isnt a Mazda a Ford when it comes down to it?

Personal attacks? I have not initiated any.

I have not even slammed on the Civic, but CivicTypeRice seems to be a passionate Si owner that has misinterpreted what I have said.

The Cobalt drives amazing, I almost bought one. But on that balance of performance vs luxury it's very lop sided. 10 years ago I would have said "Fuck I want the fastest thing out there, who cares what amenities it's got".

Fixed.

this thread is fail

Yea, I wasnt talking to you about the personal attack crap. Anyway.

I agree, with the MS3 you do get what you pay for, with more money you get more performance and more features/options. But you also get what you pay for with an Si, 370z or even the Cobalt SS (questionable reliability, lol).

Cobalt SS has decent reliability, it's just ugly as shit and has worse in class interior. LMFAO

If you're looking for bang for the buck then an EVO GSR or STI base for around 40k would be your best bet. Just look at the top gear times, those 2 are fast! much faster than a 370Z. I do admit the 370 is way nicer to look at and interior is way better though but thats what u pay for i guess.

WRX 265 is a much better car than the 227 hp one btw.

Were Ms3 affected by the hitting the side of the door when the locks open thing?

no, only the earliest mazda 3 were.

Not if there booooosted like my old one!

To answer the OP's question, Honda engines do lack the torque of their competitors. Honda makes up for this with shorter gearing in their transmissions. I'm not familiar with the newer Honda 6 speeds but the older engines would be spinning at 3000 RPM while doing 105 KPH.

How much hp/torque do you guys need to get around town?

Seems like some of you want to go uphill or pass people on 5th or 6th gear.

I have a newer civic, no problem going uphill. It's called momemtum and proper gear.

^agreed, pretty much all the cars for sale in canada, even a smart, has enough power for the city.

But since this is RS we're going for a bit more spirited driving

^
RS people prefer going sideways yelling "POWER"

Then both the MS3 and Si are wrong cars for RS people then.

Fox-body Mustang 5.0? :D

what ya expect .... we are a generation raised on initial D :P

yeah... DRIFTO!!!
FWD FTL!!!

I'm surprised no one brought up the Gen coupe in the SI/MS3/Cobalt etc. comparison.

civic SI is one of the worst possible value vehicles out there right now. and at the end of the day it's still fwd haha

Genesis coupe V6 FTW!!! I love it!

I still have to drive one. a lot of people have told me great things about them. unfortunatly when you get to the V6 track pricing, there are better options available.

base model 2.0T FTW, nothing even close in it's class ....yet.

when nissan comes out with it's "new" silvia I'll trade up

at the end of the day ... any car on the street is still a street car
theres no point to anything therse always a car faster then the nxt ... its all depends on preferences and driving style