I wonder what a stock prelude would put down on the dyno though...

http://www.grimmspeed.com/images/Gen...adjustment.jpg

This is stock, and stock with a free 5 minute wastgate adjustment.

186Whp 212Wtq

just saying if we're armchair racing, we should get wheel power numbers, not what a company says it probably puts out at the motor.

feel free to find a stock prelude dyno sheet, I'd do it, but it could be a conflict of interest. ( I did find one but it shows 135hp 120tq ;) )

^It's gotta be better than that... are u sure u were looking at the last gen?
But Honda has become pretty infamous for not delivering in WHP,

Didn't the Genesis V6 put out more power than claimed at the crank?

It was a 1998 prelude that I found.
my dyno sheet there was a 2.0 on 87 octane
V6 didn't put out more than claimed, but the 2.0 was pretty close

^ I can't speak for all owners, but a few prelude owners (myself included) don't consider it a real sports car. It's more of a fun, daily driver that looks attractive and has good handling. The weight distribution is poor, yes it's fairly heavy, and not a lot of torque but for city driving who cares.

Not everyone will be attracted to the prelude, a certain population likes it. Just like a cooper or genesis, not everyone's going to like it.

This debate is almost as pointless as photographers arguing back and forth between Canon and Nikon, or cell phone people arguing between JDM phones, Nokia, and Blackberries.


It's called diversity.

I think we can all agree preludes still look nice, it's not like canon/nikon because prelude isn't really in the same league of performance, whereas cameras would be DSLR vs DSLR of similar capabilities, because for cameras it's hard to argue with the numbers

lol you just had to 1 up me didn't u?

[sarcasm]yeah but your friend also has a 02 honda prelude. very rare indeed. :)[/sarcasm]

the numbers you put up are for the 2.3L non vtec.

your arguement was based on what you observed and supported by facts that were drawn out in your head. i simply google searched to find the correct facts. and your right, whp is never told on the specs sheet.

no one is doubt the potential of the genesis coupe. especially the 2.0T, where hyundai smartened up and found a solid built engine already. now its just a matter of time for aftermarket companies to catch up to the level as they provide for every honda out there.

preludes were never popular in japan. for that price range, you have a hell lot more selection. if i was in japan, and had a budget aroudn the price of the prelude, i would get something else. id get an evo!

here in north america, no evo =( hence why the prelude was popular.

after competing at the Packwood National Tour autocross this last weekend and seeing S2K's pulling times as quick and faster than many of the 300whp+ modified and prepared class cars, my views on Honda's have drastically changed. Also, the car I co-drove... a 95 SM prepped CX w/ an ITR engine (that was slapped together over the last month) held it's own against a 440whp 240SX with racelogic.

Here's my take on S2000

1. Yes it's not a car for everyone. But you can say that about ANY car. BMW is not for everyone. GM is not for everyone. Yaris is not for everyone. Rolls Royce is not for everyone. It all depends on your priorities and your needs and wants.

2. When compared to all other sub $60,000 roadster/sports car, it is easily the most fun you can have.

3. I average 9L/100km. That's the best thing about Honda engines. You can keep to lower RPMs around the city and you get amazing fuel economy. And then you go find an open road, step on the gas pedal, and have fun screaming around. That's when fuel economy plummets, but who cares, you're having fun.

4. Is it worth $50k today? Nope. But it's nine years old and has been largely unchanged over that time. When it first came out, we all agreed it was worth $50k. And if Honda was to refresh it and release a new one, say AP3, nobody would cry foul over that price.

And that's all I have to say about that.

IMO, S2000 is definitely overpriced, but only in Canada.

Head south of the border and you'll find the 2009 S2000 has a MSRP of $35Kusd (~$40k cdn?) vs our Canadian model for MSRP $50.5K


and my contribution to the thread:
Honda has always been fuel economy before power. So if you're looking for raw power, or don't care about fuel economy, then look elsewhere.

well, you could always give the NSX a try :)
That's raw power at its best.

What? That's not right, even turbo Z31s use 87!

he probably thinks it's better for his 21yo car. ha:haha:

My honda Fit takes 94 D:
Prepare for impact! *flame suit on*

cuz ur boosted. lol :thumbsup:

Good to know that people still pay attention to the details :haha:

Definitely has stranger noise on 87 but power is the same

It's because you're 15

OT, but can anyone comment on the long time reliability of Hondas made in NA?

Thought they opened in the late 90s..but some were opened in the mid 80's

I know they probably have the same QC has the ones from Japanese plants..but yeah?

as for last gen preludes..i used to think they look nice..but now they look too long and bulky when you compare them to 8th Gen Civic/RSX

now, would we still be having this discussion had honda made the engines mclaren had wanted for the f1?

lol