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Old 07-09-2009, 05:58 PM   #101
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I'm surprised no one brought up the Gen coupe in the SI/MS3/Cobalt etc. comparison.

civic SI is one of the worst possible value vehicles out there right now. and at the end of the day it's still fwd haha
lol, have fun with your super amazing RWD Hyundai. Check out the massive numbers this thing has put down!

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lol, have fun with your super amazing RWD Hyundai. Check out the massive numbers this thing has put down!
What are you trying to get at? The Si probably has around the same peak whp but a lot less torque. Genesis wins.
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Yeah that's really not bad for a 26k? sports coupe, i doubt the SI puts down that kinda power and IMO doesn't look as good
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Yeah that's really not bad for a 26k? sports coupe, i doubt the SI puts down that kinda power and IMO doesn't look as good
don't forget,

the new 2.0t genesis although is I4 turbocharged, uses 87 Octane
Regular gas FTW !!

I went to the Hyundai dealership this week at Richmond Auto Mall just to take a quick peek at the genesis.
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^oh shit that's awesome!!! my 300zx needs 89
Wow It's probably way faster, handles better, and better on gas than my car
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Yeah that's really not bad for a 26k? sports coupe, i doubt the SI puts down that kinda power and IMO doesn't look as good
people have put down 175-180whp stock, but a lot less torque. and do you see many intakes(for a honda) putting down 8whp, 10ft.lb? t1r carbon intake did, and thats on a dyno. colder/denser air with the ram air scoop while driving = more power. VTAAAAK!

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What are you trying to get at? The Si probably has around the same peak whp but a lot less torque. Genesis wins.
Genesis also weighs 400 lbs more.

Si has LSD standard, you have to get the Genesis GT to get LSD
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^oh shit that's awesome!!! my 300zx needs 89
Wow It's probably way faster, handles better, and better on gas than my car
the prelude uses 91 =(
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Genesis also weighs 400 lbs more.

Si has LSD standard, you have to get the Genesis GT to get LSD
Genesis has a turbo and RWD as standard...
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The Genesis beats the Mini cooper as well.
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Well they used to be especially the regular plain old civic. However over the years the civic has gotten a larger engine one gen after the next and their engine nowadays are pretty much on par with the competition imho
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Would you guys buy a hyundai?

...over ms3, Si, GTi or whatever we are comparing in its class.
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The si and genesis 2.0T are about equal in terms of performance, both around .9 on the skidpad and average 15 second 1/4 mile times. The genesis is a touch cheaper.

But really, they are two completely separate classes of cars and shouldn't really be compared together. FWD sport compact vs RWD sport coupe....
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my first car was a prelude. it had the 2.3L. i checked the engine specs and they are almost identical with the mazda3's 2.3L, from hp numbers, tq numbers, and even redline.

it was plenty of enough to work with as a first car. both cars were fun to drive too for their price range.
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Genesis has a turbo and RWD as standard...
And yet the Hyundai only manages to be on par with the Si. Even though it has the advantage of a turbo and RWD.

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The si and genesis 2.0T are about equal in terms of performance, both around .9 on the skidpad and average 15 second 1/4 mile times. The genesis is a touch cheaper.

But really, they are two completely separate classes of cars and shouldn't really be compared together. FWD sport compact vs RWD sport coupe....
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Would you guys buy a hyundai?

...over ms3, Si, GTi or whatever we are comparing in its class.
Get over yourself, Hyundai is not a shitty brand that it once is, it makes cars more than comparable to the likes of ms3, Si, or the GTi. Unless it was a serious question, yes I would since they are in the same price range.
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I don't know about the performance on the hyundai, but I know the K20 engines respond very well with bolt-ons. Stupid good actually.

!SG - that's a nice first car. Mine was an 89 camry!
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Would you guys buy a hyundai?

...over ms3, Si, GTi or whatever we are comparing in its class.
I'd rather buy the MS3 than the Genesis, actually over all the cars you listed
I wouldnt even have to do any sort of engine mods, its already a beast stock
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And yet the Hyundai only manages to be on par with the Si. Even though it has the advantage of a turbo and RWD.
I never doubted Civic SI's performance, however, the OP's question (he probably shouldn't have opened this can of worm on RS LOL) was if honda cars are underpowered, then it slowly drifted to which car is good bang for bucks. My argument is that the Genesis coupe is good bang for buck because its RWD and it has a turbo. RWD, in comparison to FWD platform, cost more to manufacture, so technically, you are getting "more" from the genesis. The advantages of turbo and RWD goes beyond its stock form, the main advantage of both is so you can efficiently lay down the added power (if you wish to mod it) at a much cheaper price compared to the SI.
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I don't know about the performance on the hyundai, but I know the K20 engines respond very well with bolt-ons. Stupid good actually.
turbo cars are waay easier to make power with, and for cheaper. Genesis gets 10hp 12tq for free, with 5 mins worth of work. how much does it cost to get that out of an SI?

one downfall is hyundai engeneered the exhaust and intake so well that you can't make any power with aftermarket intake or exhaust until you go to a bigger turbo.

just wait till someone gets inside the ECU and the real power will unfold, for cheap.
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Conclusion: MS3,SI,Genesis,Mini Cooper-S would all have their ass fed to them by a stock 17 year old 5.0 mustang with 275000kms on the motor.

If you think Honda's are underpowerd and torque less,dont't buy one.

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Old 07-10-2009, 06:13 PM   #125
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Well a 5.0 Mustang is pretty much a POS

But how about a modern V6 camaro, way more power than any of these imports and looks cooler
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