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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher  I'm happy I'm not a waiter now because I'm not going to tip shit. It's not like I Can't afford it I just got a fucking massive pay raise, however I'm not going to sit around and get massively ass fucked by the government on booze taxes, HST, and then a tip. | Well aren't you nice, you'll rip off a poor waiter/waitress of a deserved tip cause you're upset at the government.
You went to private school and have parents worth a lot of $$$, yet all that didn't teach you any sense of decency.
You put the ass in classy.
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09-05-2009, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher Cars were always pst/gst so I don't know what you're sayin there. | Used cars are GST exempt.
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09-05-2009, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by carisear the problem is that the people who are born here, are the ones fucking themselves over. 'we need more social services. we need more environmental protection. we need to give drugs to everyone in the dtes. we need our community centres to all have 60" plasmas. etc etc etc.
those are the people who are making our taxes crazy. even though [some hugely insane percentage] of our taxes goes towards 'health care', these people want more. When theres talk of trying to trim it ever so slightly, *gasp* REVOLT!
unions are the biggest problem imo. | +1, don;t listen to CounterPuncher, he's some spoiled rich kid with no manners and no real world experience.
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09-05-2009, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 Lets cause you're living in dreamland.
With one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country and the only province with lots of foriegns and other Canadians emigrating to here.
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BC residents also have the highest net worth, mostly property values, yet even with a drop in property values BC personal net worth is very high.
| Yes, as you pointed out BC residents have high personal values. When my parents bought the lot they have their house on now, they bought it for $150,000 and it is now worth roughly 3.5 million.
Unfortunately personal value has very little to do with buying power, while people that have lived here for 30-40 years have value hand over fist many new market entrants are having to move further and further into the valley. That's up for debate. Quote:
Oh you mean people make millions elsewhere and decide to live and spend it here. Yes its bad they are making money elsewhere, yet its great they are spending it here.
| No there's nothing wrong with that except for the fact that Vancouver is now predominantly a customer service based city. We have very little industry, very little manufacturing and are almost completely dependent on people coming here for tourism.
We've seen recently how the rise of the Canadian dollar which killed the amount of Americans visiting here has brought a lot of hotels to its knees.
Case and point, I can go and get a room at the Chateau Whistler right now for $99 dollars.
The fact is unless we have core industry we can rely on, we're in a lot of trouble. I'm not saying tourism is bad, I'm saying being solely dependent on it is bad.
It's kind of like the saying there is always someone richer, and better looking. When Vancouver's 15 minutes is over (which might not be for another 20-25 years) I'm not sure what will be left. Quote:
Boo hoo. That's what happens with density and cities grow in size, eventually the middle class gets pushed out to the burbs or they go to a new city.
| The problem is that there is becoming less and less of a middle class. Because of extremely limited buying power of the dollar.
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If you want to live somewhere that for generations your family wll be able to afford to buy, try a small town. Big cities just don't work that way, tourist town or otherwise.
| You dumb fuck, you just don't see it do you? 20 years ago Vancouver was a small city. It's amazing what happens when people get displaced. 20 years ago people moved here because it was cheap.
Now look what has happened.
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Sure it does. If enough people leave and minimum wage jobs cannot be filled, things will change. Yet guess what? That means you have to put up or shut up, whining and complaining will get you no-where.
Cities change, and Vancouver is headed towards being a tourist city. It sucks, yet we're on the west coast and far from most major cities. This is why few companies are head quartered here, and doing business here costs more. You cannot exactly move Vancouver closer to major US hubs, or suddenly make the cost of doing business at a distance cheaper, so what's your plan to change Vancouver into a sprawling metropolis rather than a tourist city?
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So, how will raising minimum wage add substance? It won't.
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More people keep moving here, so obviously they can.
I'll give you a hint:
1. income taxes are much less here.
2. despite the luxury cars you see driving around, there's actually more economy cars here than in Toronto/Montreal/Calgary/... cause people spend more on housing than cars.
3. people own condos without yards and garages, so they have less material possessions and are less wasteful with their money.
4. lots of immigrant families live multiple generations to a single home
| Thanks for the life help champ, because I didn't know these things. You're a real genius.
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You must be in university or a recent grad, cause you talk like someone without any real world experience. Income and corporate taxes are less here than in many other provinces and HST will reduce the cost of ding business.
| Thanks pal, I know, I'll be lining my pockets with more money because of the reduced costs.
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I hope your family teaches you some business sense before leaving you any money, obviously that private school hasn't taught you much.
| Obviously right, because you know me. I do very well for myself thanks and I have as much business sense as I should. How's the weather up on that high horse you are on? Quote:
I suggest Texas, no state and few municipal taxes.
Before you go claiming you'll pay so much less in tax, look it up. Most major US cities you'll pay:
federal income tax
state income tax
municipal income/school/services tax
municipal property tax
sales tax
road tolls
Add it all up and let me know much much less you'll be paying.
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I'll be paying a lot less because I'll be able to deduct a lot more, spend less on housing.
I was thinking either Arizona or Missouri where state sales taxes are 3%.
Cheers.
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09-05-2009, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 +1, don;t listen to CounterPuncher, he's some spoiled rich kid with no manners and no real world experience. | And you sound like someone who wishes they had my life.  | |
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09-05-2009, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 Well aren't you nice, you'll rip off a poor waiter/waitress of a deserved tip cause you're upset at the government.
You went to private school and have parents worth a lot of $$$, yet all that didn't teach you any sense of decency.
You put the ass in classy. | Yes, they taught me a lot of decency, they also taught me to not be stupid with my money.
I'm not spending an extra 30-35% to go out for dinner.
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09-05-2009, 03:36 PM
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By the way, I'm not sure when this became a personal attack session. When did being against the HST become disillusional and crazy.
I simply don't think it's a good idea in a place wher ethings are already extremely extremely expensive.
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09-05-2009, 03:40 PM
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North America
If the US dollar stays weak, Canadian cities could become the most expensive in North America as Vancouver (34th) and Montréal (=36th) continue to close the price gap on New York. Vancouver is now only four percentage points cheaper than New York and more expensive than any other city in North America. Montreal has the same cost of living as Chicago (=36th), the second costliest in the US.
| http://www.citymayors.com/economics/...ities_eiu.html
How the fuck are we almost as expensive as New York?
Yeah this place needs to become more expensive.
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09-05-2009, 04:13 PM
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Yes another HST thread.
Bottom line here, FUCK HST.
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09-05-2009, 05:06 PM
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CounterPuncher and taylor192 sound like two sides of the same coin.
Nonetheless, I'm not upset about the implementation of the HST THAT much, but what pissed me off about it was that they just sprung it on us with zero warning.
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09-05-2009, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher And you sound like someone who wishes they had my life. | Thanks for confirming your status as a spoiled rich kid. You are ignored.
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09-05-2009, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 Used cars are GST exempt. | Michael Levy made a good point the other day when he was battling Mike Smyth about this: people react as if the HST is *adding* a tax, when it's in fact *replacing* the PST... as in, the PST itself is going away.
That means, anything that didn't have GST on it before, WON'T have the HST on it; thus, anything that currently has PST but not GST, will as of July 1 not have EITHER tax.
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09-05-2009, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CorneringArtist CounterPuncher and taylor192 sound like two sides of the same coin. | Please don't put in the same category as some spoiled fuck who can afford private school, brags about unearned family riches, then talks of not even having the decency to leave a hard working waitress a proper tip cause he has to pay a bit more on a $100 meal.
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09-05-2009, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CounterPuncher By the way, I'm not sure when this became a personal attack session. | When you said this: Quote: |
Originally Posted by CounterPuncher Fuck you asshole.
For not paying much tax my dad shit bricks when 50 cents of every dollar he makes goes to paying for your welfare wankslice. | Next time I'll ask for your father's opinion, since he's the one with the financial success.
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09-05-2009, 06:43 PM
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damn i dunno who to root for .. both taylor and counter have their points ><
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09-05-2009, 06:47 PM
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I thought you're only against the GOD DAMN SKYTRAIN.....
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09-05-2009, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Soundy Michael Levy made a good point the other day when he was battling Mike Smyth about this: people react as if the HST is *adding* a tax, when it's in fact *replacing* the PST... as in, the PST itself is going away.
That means, anything that didn't have GST on it before, WON'T have the HST on it; thus, anything that currently has PST but not GST, will as of July 1 not have EITHER tax. | Can you post the specifics of this, I want to buy a used Jeep and this would make my decision to wait worthwhile. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/bsnss/tp.../menu-eng.html
Used cars are not listed here (or at least I cannot find it).
Thanks.
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09-05-2009, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pandalove damn i dunno who to root for .. both taylor and counter have their points >< | I wouldn't root for the guy who wants to move to avoid paying taxes, and under-tip hard working people cause he has to pay a little bit more for food, when his family is sitting on $3.5M.
Here's why I like the HST: 
The HST becomes a truly valued-added-tax. Yes it means consumers have to pay more for the things they want, yet that's the point. If you want to buy a LCD TV, you should pay the associated costs, I shouldn't be subsidizing it via my income tax.
It also makes doing business outside the country less lucrative. Goods manufactured outside this country do not have the PST applied at each step, only on the final sale (and the import duties if applicable). Companies can avoid tax buy manufacturing outside Canada and selling here, yet with the HST thy don't ave to avoid taxation anymore, the end consumer pays it.
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So you're happy about a tax that sees companies getting further incentives to take manufacturing jobs outside of Canada?
Wow, I've always thought you were an amateur douche. This just bumped you up to olympic level
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09-05-2009, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 I wouldn't root for the guy who wants to move to avoid paying taxes, and under-tip hard working people cause he has to pay a little bit more for food, when his family is sitting on $3.5M.
Here's why I like the HST:
The HST becomes a truly valued-added-tax. Yes it means consumers have to pay more for the things they want, yet that's the point. If you want to buy a LCD TV, you should pay the associated costs, I shouldn't be subsidizing it via my income tax.
It also makes doing business outside the country less lucrative. Goods manufactured outside this country do not have the PST applied at each step, only on the final sale (and the import duties if applicable). Companies can avoid tax buy manufacturing outside Canada and selling here, yet with the HST thy don't ave to avoid taxation anymore, the end consumer pays it. | Holy FUCK someone just made a sensible post about the HST? Quote:
Originally Posted by El Bastardo So you're happy about a tax that sees companies getting further incentives to take manufacturing jobs outside of Canada?
Wow, I've always thought you were an amateur douche. This just bumped you up to olympic level | Umm I think you need to reread some things...
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09-05-2009, 07:27 PM
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What about used cars, do we still need to pay HST on that (when the first owner already paid HST on it)?
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Because you have to pay sales tax on a sale.
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09-05-2009, 07:46 PM
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Oooooooooooooooooo so THATS what HST is .... okay i'm for it then 
wait wait ... so does this mean i have to pay hst on skytrain fare?
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09-05-2009, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by taylor192 | I could give you an approximate timeframe to look it up on cknw.com's "Audio Vault" - when Mike Smythe was on covering the Bill Good show for a couple weeks there, he went on an anti-HST crusade. He had Michael Levy on to inject an actual financial analyst's view, but as soon as Levy started talking sense about the upside, Smythe got downright hysterical, and would barely let him get a word in edgewise.
If memory serves, the bit I'm referring to was during Levy's first appearance... he was back one or two more times after that for a "cage match" (as Smythe liked to bill it)... dunno how they actually talked Levy into coming back a second time, let alone how he restrained himself from belting Smythe upside the head repeatedly...
Couldn't tell you the exact dates, but you can probably look it up on cknw.com
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp Holy FUCK someone just made a sensible post about the HST? | Depends, I'll play Devil's advocate on my own post.
My previous coworkers made less than me, yet didn't save a dime and spent it all on gadgets. This always annoyed me, why aren't they saving for the future - yet why should they save, cause when hard times hit governments give away money to them to spend even more recklessly to "stimulate" the economy.
They want their toys, want others to pay for them, and guess who's going to pay down the deficit spending? The top 10% of earners who pay > 50% of the tax. Arg... no wonder there's so many people against this tax, they don't want to pay their fair share.
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