You can love it or hate it but the HST is good public policy

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by pandalove

so does this mean i have to pay hst on skytrain fare?

I think pubic transit is exempt, check the link in one of my posts to be sure.

[CounterPuncher]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Thanks for confirming your status as a spoiled rich kid. You are ignored.

Just because I am a 'rich kid' doesn't make my points make any less sense.

Once again, I smell a jealous person.

Underprivileged upbringing much?

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

Just because I am a 'rich kid' doesn't make my points make any less sense.

Once again, I smell a jealous person.

Underprivileged upbringing much?

Arrogant fucking piece of shit much?

[iEatClams]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Arrogant fucking piece of shit much?

+ 1

[iEatClams]

^ i meant towards counterpuncher, not skinny pupp

[goo3]

Originally Posted by pandalove

wait wait ... so does this mean i have to pay hst on skytrain fare?

It depends.. would that deter you from committing crimes in Richmond? I've been hearing a lot about you.

[misteranswer]

Originally Posted by impactX

What about used cars, do we still need to pay HST on that (when the first owner already paid HST on it)?

You shouldn't because the car is used. You didn't "add any value" to it. I'm not sure what the situation would be though if it appreciated.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

Just because I am a 'rich kid' doesn't make my points make any less sense.

Once again, I smell a jealous person.

Underprivileged upbringing much?

Your posts make sense, its that they are not valued or respected. Does it feel good to talk to a wall, since no-one is reading your posts after these spoiled brat rants?

You are unwilling or unable to discuss the situation from any other perspective than a spoiled kid who's family has money yet he has no clue how they earned it.

I had a great upbringing, my parents ran many businesses and made millions. The difference between me and you is that my parents taught me the business and the value of money and hard work.

I would never consider undertipping a hard working person just cause I didn't want to pay a few $$$ more, especially when I can afford it. If you cannot afford it, sure, yet don't come on here quoting family money and huge pay raises, then not expect to be called a fucktard when you act like a cheap-ass.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by misteranswer

You shouldn't because the car is used. You didn't "add any value" to it. I'm not sure what the situation would be though if it appreciated.

"shouldn't" isn't the same as "won't". I suspect the HST is not a "value added tax" and is just a sales tax so it'll apply to all used items (excluding homes).

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm pretty sure it's going to include homes

[CounterPuncher]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Your posts make sense, its that they are not valued or respected. Does it feel good to talk to a wall, since no-one is reading your posts after these spoiled brat rants?

You are unwilling or unable to discuss the situation from any other perspective than a spoiled kid who's family has money yet he has no clue how they earned it.

I had a great upbringing, my parents ran many businesses and made millions. The difference between me and you is that my parents taught me the business and the value of money and hard work.

I would never consider undertipping a hard working person just cause I didn't want to pay a few $$$ more, especially when I can afford it. If you cannot afford it, sure, yet don't come on here quoting family money and huge pay raises, then not expect to be called a fucktard when you act like a cheap-ass.

Why do you seem to have the opinion that I have no respect for how money is made and earned? So please stop accosting me for that as you don't know me, don't know what I do.

I'm looking at this HST from a perspective that does not benefit me because I think that I can live with paying more tax as a business, where as more individuals can't.

From my perspective I probably want the HST, because in the long run it will cut costs for me and I will probably stand to make more money by it than it will cost me.

However, I'm worried about the people that are already on the brink because costs are too high here.

So please do me a favor, don't tell me I don't appreciate money, not respect how it is earned. Because frankly that doesn't have a lot to do with the issue at hand.

And it's not that I'm out to fuck waiters/waitresses, I just think going out here costs to much, service is generally not that great, and I've always tipped 15% regardless and I'm pretty much getting sick of it.

[CounterPuncher]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I'm pretty sure it's going to include homes

Yes it does, they expect housing sales to surge before July 1st next year.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

I'm pretty sure it's going to include homes

Sorry I should have been more clear: used homes. Its in the link I posted.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

Why do you seem to have the opinion that I have no respect for how money is made and earned? So please stop accosting me for that as you don't know me, don't know what I do.

When you stop making blanket statements about "50% of my dad's money goes to supporting you welfare bums". Until then, you're a spoiled shit not to be respected.

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

I'm looking at this HST from a perspective that does not benefit me because I think that I can live with paying more tax as a business, where as more individuals can't.

Yet you fail to see how this tax will promote more business, allowing companies to hire more and pay more.

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

From my perspective I probably want the HST, because in the long run it will cut costs for me and I will probably stand to make more money by it than it will cost me.

Cause like the spoiled brat you are you wouldn't pass the savings along to your consumer or invest in more infrastructure or employees.

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

However, I'm worried about the people that are already on the brink because costs are too high here.

I'm not. When the average middle class family can afford a flat screen TV and several laptops, there's little to worry about.

The problem with the middle class is their unwillingness to save. Follow the tax rates historically, even compared to 10 years ago we pay much less tax and have more disposal income.

You wouldn't know this, cause you're some stupid over-educated spoiled brat who think he knows everything from taking a few courses at private school.

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

So please do me a favor, don't tell me I don't appreciate money, not respect how it is earned. Because frankly that doesn't have a lot to do with the issue at hand.

I don't need to tell you that, you told us all that with your attitude and posting. I'm just merely pointing out for reference.

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

And it's not that I'm out to fuck waiters/waitresses, I just think going out here costs to much, service is generally not that great, and I've always tipped 15% regardless and I'm pretty much getting sick of it.

That's not what you said earlier. So either you exaggerate to make a point, in which case your points are worth exactly that, or you really feel tat way and are back tracing right now, which is more likely. In either case, you're an idiot.

[CounterPuncher]

Originally Posted by taylor192

When you stop making blanket statements about "50% of my dad's money goes to supporting you welfare bums". Until then, you're a spoiled shit not to be respected.


Yet you fail to see how this tax will promote more business, allowing companies to hire more and pay more.


Cause like the spoiled brat you are you wouldn't pass the savings along to your consumer or invest in more infrastructure or employees.


I'm not. When the average middle class family can afford a flat screen TV and several laptops, there's little to worry about.

The problem with the middle class is their unwillingness to save. Follow the tax rates historically, even compared to 10 years ago we pay much less tax and have more disposal income.

You wouldn't know this, cause you're some stupid over-educated spoiled brat who think he knows everything from taking a few courses at private school.


I don't need to tell you that, you told us all that with your attitude and posting. I'm just merely pointing out for reference.


That's not what you said earlier. So either you exaggerate to make a point, in which case your points are worth exactly that, or you really feel tat way and are back tracing right now, which is more likely. In either case, you're an idiot.

And you seem to come off as a morally superior anti-christ.

My points are equally as valid as yours, and if you think that I'm the only person that wouldn't pass on cost savings look at the recent reports from the maritimes that stated that only that implementing the HST only resulted in a 1% price decrease.

So please, tell me how it feels up on that pedestal of yours.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

And you seem to come off as a morally superior anti-christ.

and? I'll take that anyday over a disrespected spoiled brat.

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

My points are equally as valid as yours, and if you think that I'm the only person that wouldn't pass on cost savings look at the recent reports from the maritimes that stated that only that implementing the HST only resulted in a 1% price decrease.

OK you've done 1/2 your homework, now figure out how many companies hired more people, increased wages, or invested in more infrastructure vs the number of companies tat just lined their pockets and boosted their stock price.

Originally Posted by CounterPuncher

So please, tell me how it feels up on that pedestal of yours.

Its a nice view, how do you feel knowing no-one will respect your opinion from now on?

[RFlush]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Thanks for confirming your status as a spoiled rich kid. You are ignored.

Why do you state that he is "ignored" if you continue to reply to CounterPuncher?

[misteranswer]

Originally Posted by taylor192

"shouldn't" isn't the same as "won't". I suspect the HST is not a "value added tax" and is just a sales tax so it'll apply to all used items (excluding homes).

If a business can get a refund on the GST they paid, it's a value added tax.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by RFlush

Why do you state that he is "ignored" if you continue to reply to CounterPuncher?

I had him on ignore, yet took him off cause his recent replies are less like a spoiled brat and more intelligent.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by taylor192

"shouldn't" isn't the same as "won't". I suspect the HST is not a "value added tax" and is just a sales tax so it'll apply to all used items (excluding homes).

Future news story, July 1st 2010:

"Today the controversial HST came into effect..."

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"In other news, the number of goods and services sold "under the table" and/or on the black market skyrocketed today"

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by Great68

Future news story, July 1st 2010:

"Today the controversial HST came into effect..."

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"In other news, the number of goods and services sold "under the table" and/or on the black market skyrocketed today"

Just like all restaurants went out of business when cities implemented no-smoking bylaws.

I can already find businesses/contractors willing to work for "cash" to avoid taxes, I suspect it won't change much with the HST.

The CRA has already started to crack down on eBay to charge people running a business and not declaring it.

[iEatClams]

While many negative things are being said about the HST, empirical evidence in 130 jurisdictions in the world that have switched to consumption taxes shows overall prices paid by consumers have gone down.

source:

HST is a fair tax needed to boost B.C.'s economy


The Daily News September 8, 2009

With the coastal forest industry facing no end to the economic downturn in the U.S. and Japanese housing markets and the ongoing worldwide financial crisis, the introduction of the harmonized sales tax provides a much-needed boost to an industry that is a key driver of the provincial economy.

At a time when coastal mills are operating at only 50% capacity, logging operations are running at 25% and revenue to the Crown is down by 75%, the HST will help position the forest industry positively when the global economy recovers.

Setting the stage for increased competitiveness, the HST encourages investment, drives increased productivity and provides job security for high-paid workers in this sector.

Under the current tax system, forest companies pay PST on everything from energy to transportation to supplies and equipment. When the new tax regime is introduced forest products manufacturers will recover the PST they now pay. The cost of producing forest products will go down, making the coastal forest industry more competitive in very cost-sensitive markets around the world.

While many negative things are being said about the HST, empirical evidence in 130 jurisdictions in the world that have switched to consumption taxes shows overall prices paid by consumers have gone down.

The facts also clearly indicate the HST will stimulate investment in our province because companies invest savings.

But most importantly, evidence in other countries and provinces with similar tax structures shows the HST leads to higher wages and a higher standard of living.

For the coastal forest industry it will mean more jobs for those forest and mill workers in communities up and down the coast, and it will strengthen an industry which supports hospitals, schools and other important public services.

The HST is a fair tax policy that will build a strong economy for British Columbia.

Rick Jeffery

Coast Forest Products Association

Vancouver

© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service

http://www.canada.com/fair+needed+bo...612/story.html

[B-DiZzLe]

Originally Posted by taylor192

I had him on ignore, yet took him off cause his recent replies are less like a spoiled brat and more intelligent.

But you had him on ignore so how do you know his recent replies were less like a spoiled brat and more intelligent if he was on ignore?

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by azndude69

While many negative things are being said about the HST, empirical evidence in 130 jurisdictions in the world that have switched to consumption taxes shows overall prices paid by consumers have gone down.

The danger is becoming a European society where consumption taxes can be very high on luxury goods. Look at how much tax there is on new cars in Europe/Asia, and how the tax scales with engine size.

[ravsandhu]

In the end an HST tax is better than an income tax increase.

It's a tax based on consumption, you choose to spend, you get taxed.

Income tax gets increased and we won't even have that choice.

I hate the HST but it is a better economic policy.