^ correct, I don't mind paying if the girl doesn't have those kind of expectations. It's just the girls that come on the date w/the expecation that I have to do this and that, it doesn't work for me.

I've been lurking this forum for a while now and I find it really interesting.
I'm my opinion, in some cultures it is about mannerism and it is expected of you,
But on the other hand, some people are just trying to get ahead and use their
Looks/personality to exploit someone and before I go any further, I would like to
explain what I mean. I've dated a korean girl for many years (3+ years), been with
a chinese girl and vietnamese girl in the past and my best friend dated a
Laotion girl (in portland) and we all have our stories. As far as the mannerisms go
with korean girls, I believe that is true on the part of their parents, girls
are girls, and guys are guys everywhere in the world. What I mean is that for
some korean girls, they do expect it and there are some that don't, my first
Korean girlfriend did expect it, but she was polite she said thank you, but
Needless to say she did expect too much, so we parted ways.
My other korean girlfriend was the total opposite, she was an indpendant girl,
She insisted on paying for herself and myself all the time( it was a 70/30 relationship)

Japanese girl wanted nothing and the vietnamese girl came
From a rich family, so she didn't expect anything
And as far as my friend from portland goes, he had money, the girls family
didn't, he liked her and she was by his side, he ended up spoiling her
Thinking wow she's my girl. But at the same time, she was just using him to
get ahead, (fyi I'm not making a judgement on her based on what I've heard, but
her own cousin/her best friend, had come to tell my buddy to stop dating her because
She was going to leave him for a dude with more money) and sure enough a month later
She had a ring on her hand from the dude and my buddy was played...hard
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It's funny how girls would say, "well, i dont' pay for food, but i buy him expensive gifts." How does that justify?

what? Does it mean your bf never has to buy you any expensive gifts. You think he will go tell him friend "oh, i don't buy my gf expensive stuff or gifts cause I pay for food already."

it's not If A then B, it's more like, how come you're not chipping in your part.

Don't expect from others what you do not offer to others.

This is 100% true, Vancouver girls have pretty fucked up standards..

Seriously? :rofl: wow..good trick ;) How about if it's not a first date, do most girls still check in general or they don't care anymore?

Exactly, I seriously don't mind if she offers to pay and/or at least takes her wallet out, but I usually pay 99% of the time if I'm taking a girl out that I actually like. If I'm with a girl that's my friend and I have basically no interest in then it's usually 50/50 unless I'm paying for another girl then I'll just take her tab as well.

I haven't had the luxury *knock on wood* of meeting a girl that would just sit there and smile or make some excuse of "forgetting" her wallet or needing to go to the washroom when the bill arrives. I can see how you guys would get pissed off and mad at it, cause hell I would be too if she doesn't even TRY to offer and just sits there expecting you to pay..thats just wrong.

Honestly, I think my girlfriend is really good on this matter. Everytime we go out to dinner she INSISTS that we split the bill evenly 50/50. It is only during special occasions that I pay for the whole thing. Makes me feel kind of bad sometimes actually - but hey, this is respect at its greatest IMO

Actually, the best is if the girl pays 100% AND does your housework AND takes care of the mortgage. :lol

I kid, I kid.

me and my boyfriend is like this too :)
i feel bad if he had to pay for me all the time so we'll treat each other to dinner depending on who puts the money down first-- and no we dont "cheat" so the other person puts it down faster haha
so i dont think all girls in vancouver has high expectations. bcos i sure dont!
:D

I'll always pay, unless she insists (and even then, she'll really have to insist)

the world isn't fair, men and women are far from being equal, and probably never will be. I pride myself in being a man. and being a gentleman is part of being a man.

now what women don't get is, being a lady is part of being a woman.

I'm fairly traditional, therefore I expect a lady to play the role of a lady, or else she ain't getting no gentleman treatment. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Well, not you guys anyways.

I don't expect my lady to be smart, or useful, or independent, or anything really. She just has to be everything that entails to be a lady. fuck, did that sentence even make sense?

...WHICH IN VANCOUVER IS APPARENTLY TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR LOL!

of course this is just a general stereotype. and of course good girls (or guys) are not a dime a dozen, and are hard to come by, which means, most of you, (yes you), are at the bottom of the barrel, and you're probably not very lady like at all, except for the fact that you have a smelly wet box between your legs that constantly grows hairs, and a pair of tits.

just take a look in the mirror, and listen to the shit spewing out of your mouth.

just go to a club, or even a shopping mall, it's like all the girls want to dress, and act like tila tequila or some shit.

here's a hint, smoking like a chimney, drinking like a fish, swearing like a sailor, being proud of your cooch almost showing and your tits hanging outta your shirt ain't gonna get you anything but me wanting to fuck you, and then throw you out. yeah, and you're not a performing circ du soleil freak, so take that layer of makeup off your face cuz it ain't hiding the fact that you're ugly anyways.

know your fucking place in society, it's really that easy.

u pay for tat dinner u get free potential pussy at night

woot

:thumbsup::haha:

:lol couldnt have said it any better. I dont care how you were brought up, just because your family does it like that doesnt mean u have to carry on the "tradition".

You know what's cheap. When you have a (female) friend come over and all she says is "I'm hungry" and you give her food, or she looks at food like a dog. And when we come over to her place, there is not even an offer of a drink. That's cheap.

For the guys/girl discussion on whom she paying. Find a better girl for yourself. There are too many selfish and stuck-up girls in Vancouver. I have no idea how these girls got like this, but man, it's depressing. These girls expect you to bend over backwards for them or something. It's already hard doing it for your fucking self.

its because of all the drug dealers that spoil their gfs then find another girl and leave them. These girls are spoiled so they will tell their friends that it should be that way and the message gets passed around to the next girl and so on. I like american girls way more then canadian girls because "most" of them dont have attitude or expectations.

is this serious? if it is a first date and you ask the girl out.. then you pay. I mean YOU ASKED HER OUT!

If you don't feel like it.. obviously she not hot enough for you. Like seriously... all you guys bitching about paying here. If that girl is a perfect 10.. a level you might never get again. Would you still be complaining?

SuperSlowSS makes a good point - all guys should step up and pay if they've asked the woman out. Besides, whatever happened to going out for coffee on the first date? That's what I've always done and I haven't broken the bank, of course.

MajinHurricane: I somewhat understand where you're coming from, but on the other hand, you need to stop looking for girls in the club scene and instead, look for girls out in the real world. And unless you're over 6' and ripped, good luck getting a white girl. Asian guys have it tough in this town, even if you're successful.

The first few dates, sure. But then if you develop a chemistry, and the girl doesn't even offer (around the 4th or 5th). What makes you think she'll even offer 10 dates down the road.

I see asian guys with white girls quite a bit. You don't have to big 6' and looked ripped. Girls are girls man. They like an attractive male, money, and a personality. Just like men would. Except I don't think men care much about the money and personality as women.

The last impression I want to give off is one of being an "angry Asian man" as I've dated a few white girls in my day. BUT, for every 1 white girl-Asian man couple, you see 5 (insert ethnicity here)-Asian girl couples, at least on this side of the Fraser.

My friend met this girl who doesn't even bring her wallet when she goes out. She's CBC and a total bitch.

lucky him :lol

if you're not (considering) putting out, don't let me pay.

if you're not into me, don't let me pay.

if you want to pay and put out, thats fine.

Funny story I have to share from tonight and past experience. I asked this white brunette out from my work place for some drinks, we ended up getting some dinner. All went well and at the end when the bill came she pulled out her wallet and I said it's okay i got it...... good date and plan she wants to do it again.

1st white chick I've dated, and best date I had.

past experience dated 3 difference asian girls (one from china, 2 from HK)... one of them on the first date wanted me to buy her a sweater beucase she told me she was cold... uhh okay. 2nd one before sitting down to eat asked me can you pay.. can you pay? are you kidding me... i ditched her right there. 3rd girl date was going well till she started asking me about my currenty income and stuff. The mood changed and she told me she was looking for a guy that can take care of her. I told her I was going to the washroom and i left!!!!! fucking bitch. I'm over 18 and how can this girl expect me to take care of her...

IMO asians girls are cheap, even an average guy doesn't cut it for her. Ive lost interest in asian girls since my 3rd date...

^ It sounds like a few of your lady friends wants you to be their sugar daddy, it's just how that society works in China (aka. 包二奶).

You pay up, take good care of them, you get pussy. At least, they know their role.

years back in highschool, i have a friend that said...

"i have a bf so that i can save money"

LOL

:lol

So where does she work now? Davie? Seymour?