pshhh sauder hater:p

wow 1 girl out of how many kids? And what department are you in?

Sounds like you're in the wrong degree, engineering isn't for everyone.

I had the opposite experience in engineering. I kept an A+ average through all 4 years, did very little homework, found assignments easy, rarely "studied" (ie cramming days before tests, I read leisurely in my spare time)... I joined a Fraternity and spent more time drinking than studying. I overloaded on courses and essentially completed 2 engineering degrees in 5 years.

If you get it, its easy, otherwise you have to put many hours in struggling to understand. My brother struggled in the software aspects of aerospace engineering and switched to civil engineering to avoid them, and his grades improved from Cs to As.

I would probably get Fs in philosophy, yet As in engineering. You gotta find what works for you.

If you're struggling now, you might as well switch programs cause doing this everyday for the rest of your life will suck, and if its hard for you, it'll be equally hard to get a better job and better pay.

$5K/mn in $60K/yr, which is a decent salary. If you're a good engineer you'll always make well in excess of that. I started near $70K and was clearing $100K after 5 years. The 2 years before I moved to Vancouver I made $110K and $125K with only 6-7 years experience.

Grad school is a waste for engineering (except maybe Aerospace/Mechanical engineering). Its for people that cannot find jobs with their current experience/grades, or want to specialize in R&D which typically pays less (yet is very interesting). You'll learn more relevant information and gain valuable experience in 2 years of working vs 2 years of grad school.

any of you guys in accounting / finance ? hows it going for you guys?

FINISHED!

Econ 367 and Econ 301 Monday and Tuesday respectively...

I have 301 on tuesday too, whose your prof? II got yilankaya or are you with Chappel?

I have an exam on monday still...

grad finance now DAP at ubc haha...its not that bad..its only bad for me cos i cant get things into my mind until 2 days before the exam haha

Sorry man, that's just bad advice.

If you like it, stick with it. If you don't, do something else. You're there to learn and it sounds like you're learning. One day, it won't seem that hard anymore.. probably after you start working and get better study habits and understand how everything in your field tends to work.

I bet when you finish, you'll find a lot worse engineers than you who got worse grades, but ended up with pretty good jobs. Everybody develops at a different pace. There's always gonna be someone better than you no matter what career you choose. That's not a reason to quit something.

Its not bad advice.

Engineering (or technology in general) is a constant learning process. If its hard now, it'll always be hard. if he struggles now, he'll always struggle. Its not something which one day "you get it" cause tomorrow you'll have to learn something new.

I'm not suggesting quit, I'm suggesting change directions.

There's lots of bad engineers that are paid well. My comment has nothing to do with this. Its a quality of life decision. Would you want to struggle your entire life at something? Or find something you're good at?

It takes about 10,000 hrs of practice to master something.

The reason I don't struggle with engineering is cause I've loved technology since I was young, its a hobby I enjoy in my leisure time. The engineers I see struggle aren't tech geeks. They don't enjoy constantly learning about technology in their free time. They are just in it for a good job and to be paid well.

Consider working 40hrs/week, it would take you 5 yrs to master something. Just when that happens, technology changes, and they start all over again.
I read programming books in my free time cause I enjoy learning, stuff I won't even use at work. Meanwhile coworkers I've had that struggle have no interest in learning prior to needing the knowledge.

Your comments are inline with this: "Stick with it cause you'll be paid well". No, that's just wrong. "Do it if you enjoy it", and you won't need to "stick with it" or struggle doing it.

I'm with Chapple, Tuesday/Thursday 12:30 class

My comments ??? That's a reach. I don't think you read what I wrote at all. You even quoted what I said: "If you like it, stick with it. If you don't, do something else." :crazy2:

I can just as easily misconstrue and summarize some BS about your comments: "If it's hard, don't try" to make my point stronger. Is that stupid thing to do or what? I guess it's not if you only care about sounding good, but not about being correct.

How do you know the barriers which are causing him to struggle now can't be overcome? He's not 30. He's just left high school. The only thing that isn't hard for most ppl that age is sitting on their asses.

Yes, engineering is a constant learning process. I'll just say this and we can disagree on this point if you wish: Most ppl i've met in eng agree with me.. after your transition period into the engineering world, your study habits become better, your ability to learn material fast becomes better, your ability to understand written material in sometimes cyptic engineering english gets better. Improving these skills goes a long way to whether you get it or not.

As you gain more experience, you'll find the same concepts are used over and over again, so the learning becomes more incremental instead of constantly throwing what you learned away. Add these things to the fact that what you do in school is so different from what you do at work, and that is why I said the things I said in my original reply.

The bottom line should be motivation & skill -- do you like this stuff and can you do it. With HS marks in the 90s, that dude obviously has some sort of potential. I believe you won't know if it's the right path unless you try it for real (eg. coop) instead of comparing it to one individual's early experience.

How did you do on the midterm? Are you ready for the final on tuesday? I am sooooooooo screwed!

Midterm was not good.. But at least i still passed.
As for the final. Yes i am ready to fail. Like i mean phail
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Cause he had high grades in HS, referenced studying lots, struggling, low salaries, no girls, no social life, ... and how engineering wasn't worth it.

Its safe to say my points are valid for him, and its him I was responding to.

Fuckkkkkkk only one more day and it's all over...good luck to you tomorrow picard!

^^ damn i thought i was unlucky finishing my last exam just an hour ago.

I kind of agree with Taylor on this one. I'm in mechanical engineering myself. Sorry to say, but some people just aren't cut out for it. It really takes a while to have a grasp at it and fully appreciate what you're learning. Having high grades in high school/academic courses doesn't translate into success in engineering. What really helps is having hobbies and interests relevent to your field, rebuilding cars, engines, tinkering with toys. I dont find engineering difficult at all, I rarely study and get pretty decent grades. In high school I was getting 50s, 60s, 70s. I also find that the majority of students in engineering has no desire to actually become an engineering after they graduate, they're more interested in project management, or they picked engineering because they thought it's "cool", but had no idea what's it's actually about. You'd be surprised to know how many senior engineering students doesnt even know how an engine works, or even how to change the spare tire.

I AM DONE =D

well i am majoring nanotechology engineering and minoring in commerce

one more year and i grad... its not that i dont get high grades in here, but im saying that if i put the same amount of effort in arts or sauder, i will definately get better grades

Hey man, I wasn't aware ubc had nanotech program, just wondering how it is..

Oh, and... DONEZOS!

Off to co-op for a year I go :)

YEAHHHH DONE!!!! just finished econ301 today...better than i expected lol

seems like a few of you are in Chapple's class too...i was in the tues/thurs 330-5
how'd you guys do on the final?

DONE LIKE DINNER BITCHESSSSSSSS

LOL Alien Children