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12-19-2009, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Preemo  You know what almost made my heart stop? The Baconator from Wendy's.
It hurt going down.
=( | ate that 2 times in my life, never again
by the time u finish you will be gulping down a XL coke just so you can wash out all the grease
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12-19-2009, 04:12 PM
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no wonder america is ffull of fat fucks
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12-19-2009, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp Fail.
They keep focusing on the fat content and "calories". That's not what makes fast food bad.
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp Sugar, sugar, sugar, and the fat that they cook things in (vegetable oil with trans fats).
Eating a lot of beef and cheese and bacon isn't going to make you fat, or unhealthy (actually it's exactly the opposite). Eating garbage like fries, non-diet soda, and other garbage cooked in hydrogenated oil is what makes fast food bad. | Sugar, sugar, sugar = Calories. Which contradicts your first post.
Guess what the processed cheese contains? Hydrogenated palm oils! And the processed beef patties are loaded with saturated fat.
So focusing on calorie / fat content is definitely a valid concern.
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12-19-2009, 04:55 PM
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sugar = calories, but its also how ur body can burn it.
say u eat protein, yes its calories too, but ur body has to break it down first to get at the calories. think of it as a game w/ a time limit. sugar on the other hand. now once u eat that, it can be instantly burned. this is what is bad for you! spikes your sugar gluclose levels right up, and this is whats unhealthy!
fats, that im not too sure on. im not fully educated on this, but if i see saturated fats, i try to keep those on the minimum. unsaturated is the better choice.
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12-19-2009, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo LOL. I'd fail you if I could. You might as well remove your "Failed 0 times" Out of your signature!
Sugar, sugar, sugar = Calories. Which contradicts your first post.
Guess what the processed cheese contains? Hydrogenated palm oils! And the processed beef patties are loaded with saturated fat.
So focusing on calorie / fat content is definitely a valid concern. | You are so wrong, I can hardly think of how to respond to your post. I'll try though, and I am not going to be rude or confrontational here. Just follow:
I agree that fake cheese is disgusting. And it's part of what I talked about when I said that there are many things that are bad in fast food.
But the point is, this stupid article focuses on none of it. Instead, they lump it all together into two categories: Fat and Calories. It's just spreading the ignorance, and your post is a perfect example of what this sort of misinformation causes.
We'll just ignore your "all calories are the same" comment. It is so fundamentally wrong, that I am not even going to bother with it. Go read. But regarding this article... Fact is, the only good thing in these burgers is the meat. If it's just ground beef with nothing added, it is perfectly healthy. Saturated fat is good for you and will lower your bad cholesterol levels and triglycerides. Protein of course is good for you too.
So skip the disgusting chemical they call "cheese" and lose half the bun when you go for a triple whopper. You'll get a lot of good protein, a lot of good saturated fat, some lettuce, tomatoes, a little bit of unhealthy garbage "mayonnaise" and some carbs from the half-bun. It goes from being a disgusting freak of nature food to something that is healthier than most people eat on a day to day basis 
Not something we should all be eating every single day, but perfectly fine for when you want fast food. Skipping it and going with a dry chicken breast burger with no sauce but having it fries and a non-diet Coke would be far, far worse. Or one of those chicken salads drenched in disgusting dressing...
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12-19-2009, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp Saturated fat is good for you and will lower your bad cholesterol levels and triglycerides.. | That's straight up wrong.
From: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...ory/index.html
"Saturated fats boost total cholesterol by elevating harmful LDL. Like all dietary fat, saturated fat also raises the protective HDL.Unsaturated fat is much preferable since it lowers the bad cholesterol and raises the good. " What can I do to lower my total cholesterol and LDL?
Several strategies can help you lower the amounts of total and harmful LDL cholesterol in your bloodstream, and thus your risk of heart disease:
Exercise regularly.
Aim for a healthy body weight.
Avoid trans fats. Limit foods rich in saturated fat, like red meat and whole milk, ice cream, and other full-fat dairy foods.
Focus on foods rich in unsaturated fats, dietary fiber, and healthful protein. Fruits, vegetables, fish, beans, nuts, and seeds are all excellent choices."
My source is the Harvard School of Public's Health's opinion, as is many other reputable sources. What's yours?
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12-19-2009, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Preemo You know what almost made my heart stop? The Baconator from Wendy's.
It hurt going down.
=( | I  the Baconator. There's just something great about a burger that doesn't even bother with a token leaf of lettuce.
I'll only get one maybe once a month and only when I know I'm going to have an extra hour or so afterwards to "drop the kids off at the pool."
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12-19-2009, 11:25 PM
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#33 | | resident Oil Guru
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^ Hahaha. That's hilarious. While I understand the charm of the Baconator, I personally can't eat any burgers from fast food. Much prefer burgers from a pub, or a nice reputable burger shack. Yum.
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12-19-2009, 11:31 PM
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#34 | | y'all better put some respeck on my name
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They claim the best burger to get at Mc D's is the Bigmac.
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12-19-2009, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jah Gekko They claim the best burger to get at Mc D's is the Bigmac. | They can claim that all they want. The place to get the one of the best burgers in the Lower Mainland is the Guildford Station Pub. Only like $2 more than a Bigmac Meal.  http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/14/13091...ion-Pub-Surrey
Damn. This thread is making me hungry.
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12-20-2009, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by !SG thats actually the sick part about eating in the states at fast food joints. its not so much how greasy or how fattening the food is. its the sheer size and portion. Here, our "regular" is the "small" size in the states. the worse mistake u can do is supersizing ur fries, u get a bucket, a BUCKET of fries! | LOL..
what i don't understand is just because they give it to you, it doesn't mean you have to finish it.
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12-20-2009, 02:53 AM
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#37 | | RS controls my life!
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i remember when im working outside, i mean freeze your balls of tempurature i'll eat 2 baconators , some chicken strips, fries and coke and this on a consistent basis. drooling thinking about it...
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12-20-2009, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by WilsonSo13 Your sources dont mean anything to Skinnypupp its been done and discussed before, give it up. | If you have any scientific studies or information (not pseudo-science masquerading as science) regarding how saturated fats are good for you, I'd love to read it.
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12-20-2009, 03:44 AM
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the baconator is so good, yay! heart attack!
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12-20-2009, 04:38 AM
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its also one of the smaller ones now too! it was the BIG MAC, like back in the day, but now its just the the tiny mac from punchout compared to the other burger joints! Quote:
Originally Posted by Jah Gekko They claim the best burger to get at Mc D's is the Bigmac. | | |
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12-20-2009, 04:40 AM
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very true. but remember when we were kids, and our parents always told us to finish our food, dont be so wasteful, there are hungry starving kids out there.
its all about value for buck, and sense of control.
everyone tends to over eat if put a load of food in front of them!
but ive learned to just say no, its seriously too much. especially when u feel like taking a nap afterwards. Quote:
Originally Posted by goo3 LOL..
what i don't understand is just because they give it to you, it doesn't mean you have to finish it. | | |
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12-20-2009, 04:42 AM
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ive only had it once, and that was when working at advance, and i knew the afternoon was gonna be a lot of work so i could burn it off.
after trying it, i completely avoided eating the fries... Quote:
Originally Posted by JSALES the baconator is so good, yay! heart attack! | | |
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12-20-2009, 05:23 AM
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#43 | | RS controls my life!
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spicy baconator is where its at. You guys should also try double whooper and throw in the onion rings with the zesty sauce. This also applies for a&w burgers , just top it off with there onion rings . so goooooood
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12-20-2009, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo That's straight up wrong.
From: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...ory/index.html
"Saturated fats boost total cholesterol by elevating harmful LDL. Like all dietary fat, saturated fat also raises the protective HDL.Unsaturated fat is much preferable since it lowers the bad cholesterol and raises the good. " What can I do to lower my total cholesterol and LDL?
Several strategies can help you lower the amounts of total and harmful LDL cholesterol in your bloodstream, and thus your risk of heart disease:
Exercise regularly.
Aim for a healthy body weight.
Avoid trans fats. Limit foods rich in saturated fat, like red meat and whole milk, ice cream, and other full-fat dairy foods.
Focus on foods rich in unsaturated fats, dietary fiber, and healthful protein. Fruits, vegetables, fish, beans, nuts, and seeds are all excellent choices."
My source is the Harvard School of Public's Health's opinion, as is many other reputable sources. What's yours? | I am actually really glad you wrote that. I am not even going to fail you for it 
Because it absolutely perfectly demonstrates the effects of the information cascade that I have been referring to all along.
What you have done is what almost everyone does - go to what you think is the correct "source" for "information".
However, the information that you are relying on as being 100% fact, is actually the exact source of the misinformation. It is not even fact - it is simply a hypothesis that was written in the 1850's. In the 1950's, the US government decided that they would use this hypothesis to set their dietary guidelines. Naturally, this fell perfectly in line with what the lobbyists wanted. And you can trace today's US agriculture economy straight back to it.
Now that brings us to today - why are scholars still spreading this unproven (and some say, proven factually incorrect) hypothesis? It almost sounds too simple, but it really comes down to having to show results and support for what their source of income wants to hear. If they don't, they are almost always completely dropped from research funding. This has been happening since the govt. started using these guidelines in the 50's.
So the cascade started 60 years ago, and has been pouring and building ever since. You can go ahead and follow what you think is true. You can blindly and unquestionably listen to the US government. I have no problem with that, except that it just keeps the cascade running in perpetuity.
Now if you wanted, you could look for other sources of information. You could look into non-lobbyists groups, whose best interests are in research and not simply lining their pockets doing bogus work, following the status quo.
Most of these scientists do not receive government funding, because they can't. So to support their work, they write books.
The #1 book I think everyone should read is Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. This book is amazingly well researched, and completely unbiased. And it is credited for changing the minds of so many people, including those that formerly just followed along with the what the government wanted to hear. Of course, those people still exist in huge numbers, as your link shows.
I must warn you though, the book is... well it's not exactly a dynamic piece of literature. It's very dry, and filled with recaps on research papers, annotations, etc. I hear he is writing a new book that is more palatable to the every day reader, and not just people who are interested in this. Hopefully when that comes out, even more people will open their eyes.
Now there are tons of studies that contradict your link's statements. I have posted videos and links throughout other threads. If you really want to learn more, and aren't out to just try to prove a point, then I suggest you find those links.
My favourite is the recent study done at Berkely. They compared 4 diets - low fat/high carb, low fat/low carb, high fat/low carb, and "normal". The poor scientist was a life-long vegetarian, and he had to tell everyone that on the Atkins diet, people lost the most fat, stayed on the diet the longest, and had the best cholesterol levels of all groups.
Of course that information shouldn't surprize anyone who has read recent literature, but it's still nice to see proven in numbers, from someone who should have all the motive in the world to prove it wrong. But he was a good researcher, and let the numbers to the talking.
Those are the people you need to follow, not the ones who just go with the flow and have to fuck around numbers if they have to.
If the concept of saturated fat being good for you still seems totally ludicrous to you, I recommend reading this post by Dr. Mike Eades at Tim Ferriss' blog. It does a great job of explaining these concepts to people for the very first time. Also before you reply to me, read the comments on that blog post. Everyone has already said what you are going to say to me, and Dr. Eades has probably responded already, in a better way than I ever could
As for the trolls and flamers (and the "thankers") the only thing I am going to say to you is: Nice try. I am not going to get sucked into another flame war. I don't fall for that any more. Have a good Christmas  | |
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12-20-2009, 10:42 AM
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After reading the information Skinnypupp has provided, I think he is right. You know why? Because I believe in Truthiness. Now I'm sure some of the 'word police,' the Wordinistas over at Webster's are gonna say, "Hey, that's not a word!"
Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books - they're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true or what did or didn't happen. Who's Britannica to tell me the Panama Canal was finished in 1914? If I want to say it was happened in 1941, that's my right.
I don't trust books. They're all fact, no heart. And that's exactly what's pulling our country apart today. 'Cause face it, folks: we are a divided nation. Not between Democrats and Republicans, or Conservatives and liberals, or tops and bottoms. No. We are divided between those who think with their head, and those who know with their heart.
So I applaud you Skinnypupp, you are a good man with a good heart. Your information comes straight from the heart and that is all that matters. No one can argue against it, because simply its the best. I am on your side! 
Good thing this thread is in Vancouver Off-topic forum so this post does not violate any rules against RS.net.
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My favorites probably of all time:
Carl's JR Portabello Mushroom 6 Dollar burger
Carl's JR Chili Cheeseburger
sooo good.
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12-20-2009, 12:02 PM
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I only had Carls Jr. for the first time a few weeks ago when relatives brought it up from the States (probably illegal but border guards didn't check). It was just the standard Cheeseburger, but it was 10 times better than most burgers I've had.
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12-20-2009, 02:50 PM
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go for the regular carl's jr burger, its enough burger for anyone. all their other ones are freakin huge!
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12-20-2009, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo | seriously, station pub is the best pub in the gvrd.
great prices, great food. conductor burger ftw
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12-20-2009, 03:36 PM
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I love station pub...especially their $2 rib nights..
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