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our system is good
if you have a serious/life threatening issue your aid is immediate
if it isnt you have to wait a bit... sure it may be a discomfort but if you want help faster than that... pay for a quicker treatment (you're able to mind you... when ur at the doctors or the hospital and they ask you for your care card tell them your going to deal with it privately)
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if we didnt have interest groups/political parties trying to rid Canada of the health care system we would more than likely be in a better state we would probably rank as high as France (who's first however their economy is in the shit hole too)
I had to go in twice the same weekend. Both times I was seen in less than 30 minutes.
I never know you can see the doc less than 30 mins in a hospital or never heard of any, unless you lose a limb or you are dying. Hell, a wait at the walk-in clinic is usually 2 hours if not more
Do you recieve special treatment or service if you work for a hospital ??
For someone who major in medical with plenty of knowledge, im pretty sure one can easily busted out some medical lingo to address the issue the way he wanted or how severe it is to recieve nesscessary medical treatment
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Hell, a wait at the walk-in clinic is usually 2 hours if not moret
Try the CrossRoads walk-in clinic at Cambie/Broadway. I waited just over 30 mins and there were 6 people infront of me on a Mon evening at 4PM. Very professional looking place.
Burnaby General is busy 24/7 and so is Royal Columbian.
Never been to BG, but RC is one of my least favourate hospitals.
Last time I went, it was because I closed a door on my hand and I had blood pooling underneath one of my finger nails.
Getting in, paper work, nurses asking the same questions a million times, and wait for my turn took me almost 2 hours. Once they got me into the room, it took 5 minutes to make the hole and drain the blood. Other than the 2 hour wait, everything else was fine but then again it wasn't like I was about to die.
What turns me off about RC is the amount of people that go there.
I've been to the UBC hospital, and that is my favourate hospital to go to as I had the quickest wait time. Once was because I was having an asthma attack and no amount of Ventalin (?sp) would allow me to breath right. I was able to drive myself to the hospital so it wasn't quite like life or death. I think it was around 10 - 15 minutes of wait before I was given a bed and doctors looked after me.
But then again, I understand that some nights might be busier than others, and some hospitals are busier than others depending on where they are located.
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and icing on the cake, lady driving a newer chrysler 200 infront of me... jumped out of her car, dropped her pants, did an immediate squat and did probably the longest public relief ever...... steam and all.
i agree, canada's healthcare is bullshit.. ive talked to a few foreign people (philipino and hindu) they both said the wait times for surgery are ridiculous, 1-2+ years.. they both just went back to there home countries and got it done right away.
Yah...for FOREIGNERS..! trust me... i use to date this girl who worked at the hospital.. fucking sucks... this guy came in from traveling from France.. came in cause he wasn't feeling well..... check in cost him $800...
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Try the CrossRoads walk-in clinic at Cambie/Broadway. I waited just over 30 mins and there were 6 people infront of me on a Mon evening at 4PM. Very professional looking place.
I usually go to that crap walk-in clinic beside the LD on Vic and 41st. Average wait time is an hour. Worst was 3 hours.
Was there last night because the wife was sick, and the wait time was an hour, and we showed up at 5 pm.
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and icing on the cake, lady driving a newer chrysler 200 infront of me... jumped out of her car, dropped her pants, did an immediate squat and did probably the longest public relief ever...... steam and all.
If anyone has been waiting for longer than 1 hour in a hospital... Then I can see your frustration.
For the past 10 years my dad was in out of the hospital frequently because of cancer. Iv always waited in the waiting room while he was being taken care of inside. I was basicly in and out at least once a month in any given hospital.
Whether it was Richmond, Vancouver, or New West.
I have never seen people waiting for 3-5 hours.
(I have only "heard" of people waiting this long)
On average, when I did notice, they were waiting roughly 30-60 minutes.
If you have waited that long. I can see how you hate our system. Based on my experience. I have never waited longer than 30 minutes.
yea health care is good outside Canada if you have money to pay for it
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side note when I got into my car accident I had to wait almost 2 hours before the even saw me but then again I understand cause there were people there with worst injuries
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i've waited in a waiting room for about 3 hours before.
i had a heart problem but they didnt consider it to be serious although i was pretty freaked out! they ran an ECG and let me sit there for 3 hours before getting attention.
after 3 hours i didnt even really get attention.... i was directed to the doctors office where i fell asleep for another 2 hours until the doctor showed up and my heart was acting normal. this was at vgh.
so.... i couldnt get a diagnoses for a problem because of the 5 hour wait. its like when your car is making a weird noise, you bring it to the mechanic, and it suddenly stops acting up.
This leads me to believe that Canada's not where it should be for healthcare. No?
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The World Health Organization provided a list of rankings of the best healthcare systems in the world. The lastest report is from 2000. Canada was ranked 30th while the US was 37th. This report is often mentioned by Democrats in favour of a health system overhaul. With that being said, the Republicans also provide evidence of how the report was flawed, or misrepresented the United States.
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most of us here would lose everything we own if we fell ill and needed private health care to cure us in the states. At least here in Canada, it won't break the bank.
No its not. The WHO report is akin to JD Powers who ranks Hummer bad in terms of quality cause people complain about gas mileage! You bought a Hummer FFS, its going to eat gas! Complaints should be relevant.
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- America ranks badly cause of its imbalance of healthcare access, not cause its not the best healthcare.
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According to Dr. Richard G. Fessler, a Chicago neurosurgeon who travels the world to perform state of the art surgery for patients who do not have access to what Americans currently enjoy, "When it comes to quality healthcare, the United States Health Care is second to none!" Ask the tens of thousands of patients who travel internationally to the US every year for their health care. As an example of the quality of health care delivered in the US, Americans have a higher survival rate than any other country on earth for 13 out of 16 of the most common cancers. Perhaps that is why Belinda Stronach, former liberal member of the Canadian Parliament and Cabinet member (one of the health care systems touted as “superior” to the US) abandoned the Canadian Health Care system to undergo her cancer treatment in California.
But to understand how WHO derives this misleading statistic, which has been ballyhooed widely by both the media and politicians alike, you need to understand how it is created. WHO’s health care rankings are constructed from five factors each weighted according to a formula derived by WHO. These are:
“Health level” is a measure of a countries “disability adjusted life expectancy”. This factor makes sense, since it is a direct measure of the health of a country’s residents. However, even “life expectancy” can be affected by many factors not related to health care per se, such as poverty, homicide rate, dietary habits, accident rate, tobacco use, etc. In fact, if you remove the homicide rate and accidental death rate from MVA’s from this statistic, citizens of the US have a longer life expectancy than any other country on earth.
“Responsiveness” measures a variety of factors such as speed of service, choice of doctors, and amenities (e.g. quality of linens). Some of these make sense to include (speed of service) but some have no direct relationship to health care (quality of linens). These two factors at least make some sense in a ranking of health care, but each is problematic as well.
The other three factors are even worse. “Financial fairness” measures the percentage of household income spent on health care. It can be expected that the $$“percentage” of income spent on health care decreases with increasing income, just as is true for food purchases and housing. Thus, this factor does not measure the quality or delivery of health care, but the value judgment that everyone should pay the same “percentage” of their income on health care even regardless of their income or use of the system. This factor is biased to make countries that rely on free market incentives look inferior. It rewards countries that spend the same percentage of household income on health care, and punishes those that spend either a higher or lower percentage, regardless of the impact on health. In the extreme then, a country in which all health care is paid for by the government (with money derived from a progressive tax system), but delivers horrible health care, will score perfectly in this ranking, whereas a country where the amount paid for health care is based on use of the system, but delivers excellent health care will rank poorly. To use this factor to justify more government involvement in health care, therefore, is using circular reasoning since this factor is designed to favor government intervention.
“Health Distribution and Responsiveness Distribution” measure inequality in the other factors. In other words, neither factor actually measures the quality of health care delivery, because “inequality of delivery” is independent of “quality of care”. It is possible, for example, to have great inequality in a health care system where the majority of the population gets “excellent” health care, but a minority only gets “good” health care. This system would rank more poorly on these measures than another country that had “equal”, but poor, health care throughout the system.
In summary, therefore, the WHO ranking system has minimal objectivity in its “ranking” of world health. It more accurately can be described as a ranking system inherently biased to reward the uniformity of “government” delivered (i.e. “socialized”) health care, independent of the care actually delivered. In that regard the relatively low ranking of the US in the WHO system can be viewed as a “positive” testament to at least some residual “free market” influence (also read “personal freedom”) in the American Health Care system. The American health care consumer needs to understand what the WHO ranking does and does not say about American health. Don’t be fooled by “big government” politicians and the liberal media who are attempting to use this statistic to push for socialized medicine in the United States. It says essentially nothing about the delivery of health care or the quality of that delivery in the US. It does say that, so far, the American health care consumer has at least some personal freedom to seek the best health care available, and is not yet relegated to the “one size fits all” philosophy of government sponsored health care systems.
No its not. The WHO report is akin to JD Powers who ranks Hummer bad in terms of quality cause people complain about gas mileage! You bought a Hummer FFS, its going to eat gas! Complaints should be relevant.
I hate to go off topic but i cant resist... it seems that you think the hummer is a good car, and you think that it doesn't deserve the ranking that it has, whatever that is, and it seems to me that you think it was rated lowly solely on the fact that it has bad gas mileage. And it also seems that you think it ranking got knocked down by complaints. I wonder if you know what the word relevant mean
of course they hand out mri's like candy, they charge you for it!
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I didn't say I want MRI for headaches you stupid fuck. If you knew anything about US medical system, you'd know they give those fucking scans out like candy on Halloween. I spend 1-3 weeks every month in various US hospitals radiology departments, that's how I know, if you were wondering.
weather or not a healthcare system is good or not is based on what you are relating it to.
US healthcare is great, for those that can afford it. there are more doctors, better equipment, and higher paying career if u are in health care, BUT it is horrible if u cant afford it because it is very very very expensive.
canadian healthcare is great as it covers everyone, even those that cant afford it. however this also means, less doctors (as they venture south), longer wait times (due to lack of doctors) and not always the best equipment (as the brunt of the cost is coverage for everyone). Thus canadian health care is horrible for ppl that need to wait years for a surgery.
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Try the CrossRoads walk-in clinic at Cambie/Broadway. I waited just over 30 mins and there were 6 people infront of me on a Mon evening at 4PM. Very professional looking place.
That's pretty normal at most places around the 2 to 4 pm times on weekdays. I took my mom to the Kensington Medical Clinic on Hastings and Kensington. It was around 3:15 pm. Saw a doctor in less than seven minutes. Two of which were spent giving info to the receptionist.
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I hate to go off topic but i cant resist... it seems that you think the hummer is a good car, and you think that it doesn't deserve the ranking that it has, whatever that is, and it seems to me that you think it was rated lowly solely on the fact that it has bad gas mileage. And it also seems that you think it ranking got knocked down by complaints. I wonder if you know what the word relevant mean
If it seems to you I think the Hummer is a good car, you're seemingly stupid.
My comment was about how JD Powers bases their ratings system. The Hummer ranks low for many reasons, yet its lower than it should be cause JD Powers considers bad gas mileage a relevant complaint.
These four models should be fairly easy for Americans to understand because we have elements of all of them in our fragmented national health care apparatus. When it comes to treating veterans, we're Britain or Cuba. For Americans over the age of 65 on Medicare, we're Canada. For working Americans who get insurance on the job, we're Germany.
For the 15 percent of the population who have no health insurance, the United States is Cambodia or Burkina Faso or rural India, with access to a doctor available if you can pay the bill out-of-pocket at the time of treatment or if you're sick enough to be admitted to the emergency ward at the public hospital.
The United States is unlike every other country because it maintains so many separate systems for separate classes of people. All the other countries have settled on one model for everybody. This is much simpler than the U.S. system; it's fairer and cheaper, too.
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