so what your basically saying is

it's okay for police to violate basic civil liberties or charter rights because they have a difficult job? and its okay because it doesn't happen often?

okay man, makes alot of sense.

I'm sure that's not what he meant.

No, it's not okay for police to violate basic civil liberties or charter rights but the point of his post is that the media only shows the mistakes of police, and not as many positive jobs from the police.

Everybody has made and still make mistakes. Sometimes a little argument could end in a fist fight but the media doesn't follow you around and broadcast every mistake you make.

its more than just the frequency of these events, its the way they are handled- no transparency, no accountability

this article deals with the rcmp, not the vpd but it pretty much sums up the problems behind the rcmp
http://www.macleans.ca/canada/nation...14_10512_10512

Yes, the RCMP and various police forces may not have mastered how to manage, train and maintain their officers to a certain extent but things take time.

You can't put the blame on the officers individually because of their environment, whether it be their bosses or other members. Put a rotten apple into a basket full of good apples, they will all eventually become rotten.

But unfortunately that's just how life works. Not everything will go the way it's supposed to. Money over morals or morals over money, it might be an easy choice for some but for others it's not easy.

If a company starts off on the wrong foot the chances of it going back on track is slim. We can only go to a different company, and not support this said company at all. The only way I see how we can combat this would be to voice our opinions to not hire the RCMP to patrol our streets anymore, and to create a new lower mainland police force which was on the plate to be debated (If I remember correctly) when the RCMP contract ends in 2012, and be sure that the system we run on is a correct one.

shouldn't the officers be dressed in their uniform??? LOL VPD has a bigger rep than the canucks winning the cup this year LOL

Yes that is exactly what I meant.. wtf?

If 2 or 3 teachers were caught having inappropriate relationships with their students, would you go out and asume the whole education system in vancouver is fucked up? Would you blame the VSB for hiring such individuals?

How about this... what if a principal or teacher suspended a student a month or so because he/she thought the student was cheating on an exam, but in reality he/she made a mistake.??? I know these weigh differently in terms of how the mistakes effect an individuals life, but the point I am trying to make is that everyone and evey professional makes mistakes... The shitty deal with the Police is that, if they mess up, it blown up and there are bigger consequences. People make mistakes. It doesn't have to be as big of an issue as the news tells it to be. You only hear ONE side of the story in the news, and that is the side that will cause the MOST BUZZ.

In the case of cops, you hate them when they are doing their job (giving you tickets and impounded you for driving with intoxicated, breakign up parties, etc), and you hate them when they make a mistake. LIve in a world with NO cops... or be a cop for a day(having people spit on you, seeing the dump of the east side downtown, and having to deal with the shitty legal system that is canada).. think how that would be...
Same with life. You don't hear about your friend who knows a friend that is happily married for 10 years.. you hear about the one that fucked a hooker and ended their 10 year relationship. Again, before anyone judges or puts the own 2 cents, they really need to know both sides of the story, and realize that the news is there for shock value and entertainment.

heard of plain clothes cops?

fucken bullshit. i'm so sick of stories like this where the police aren't held accountable for their actions.

No, he's saying that we shouldn't judge the entire police force because of 2 or 3 idiots.

Jim Chu even apologized.

as with all stories told by opposing parties:

http://www.nataliedee.com/102305/venn-diagram.jpg
i would read everything with a grain of salt... WU's statement as well as the police's.

imagine if WU was really the person who was assaulting his pregnant girlfriend and the police took their time in coaxing him to come out. meanwhile, the injured girlfriend is bleeding and the unborn baby is in danger...

that's what was probably going through the officers' minds when they attended the residence. at the first sign of resistance from WU, they went all out.

i like how no one focuses on E-Comm and why didn't they relay pertinent information to the attending officers in a timely manner... the same way airport security/CBSA got off the hook when the RCMP took the blame for Dziekanski.

either way, shitty deal. WU will get his money. the VPD will learn its lesson.

finally, some logical posts by the last few people..

no ones arguing that police aren't vital or don't have a difficult job, you are the only one bringing it up.

like i said, its more of a question of accountability. there really aren't that many consequences when police make mistakes, as can be seen with people like monty robinson, paul koester, etc etc

police are directly responsible for public safety, its natural that there should be higher standards of conduct

fair enough, and i agree they should be scrutinized with higher standards, but what would you do in the case of mistaken identity? suspend them with pay? it isn't like they sold drugs and got away with it. their intent was 100% for the good, but they made a mistake.. if you suspend them with pay, that wouldn't make any sense. the vpd admitted they made the mistake and apologized. it is not like they said, well shit happens sucks to be that guy!

those officers should get fired. VPD has no boundaries and it angers me that there's nothing we can do. Apologies dont mean shit. VPD only apologizing becuz their job is on the line

they prob had fun beating the guy fcken VPD goofs

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so there were 2 police officers that went to the door, 2 police officers can't tackle him and hold down a older smaller Chinese man who doesn't have a weapon? was it necessary to fuck up his face with a beating. I wonder what the arresting protocol is like. Even if they get to the correct address and got the right guy, can they just beat the guy up like that, don't they get restraint training in the academy? or is punching ppl in the face part of the trainning.

one time i saw a shop lifter trying to run out of shoppers and a manager and a civilian was able to restraint the shop lifter until the cop got there, even though the shoplifter was resisting, the 2 civilians were able to hold him down and restraint him without punching him in the face.... just a thought

Im actually an individual who has a sour opinion towards corrupted police or those who abuse their powers. But hey, who am I to anything.
Seems like you like bashing ppl on your phone because you have nothing better to do RS police

yea they're pretty stupid if they can't stop the chinese guy from "resisting". This is their excuse to any excessive abuse to stop the accused from "resisting". Not like the guy busted some jacky chan moves. Not that hard to put the guy in handcuffs without bashing his face in.

Seriously all those dumb people who cant find a job else where join the VPD and just cause they wear a badge they think they are all that. In Canada, even when you are a suspect, cops cant beat you up because you are just a SUSPECT. DUMB VANCOUVER COP!!!!

I'm a supporter of cops in general so everyone knows but I really liked this comment in the provinces editorial.

"What is also distrubing is Delta Police Chief Jim Cessford's defence that "the police officers believed they were doing the right thing." Police officers (like most people) no doubt 'believe' at the time that their actions are justified. If we follow this criterion, their actions would always be justified"

you would be singing a different note if the chinese guy was indeed beating his pregnant wife, am i right?

i can bet you wouldnt even get through the second stage of the hiring process, let alone pass the physical.

Even if he was beating his wife, they can just grab him and restraint him no need to punch the guy in the face or beat the crap out of him, not that im supporting the wife beater, but there's a line for cops, if they pass that line, then they are no different than the criminals they try to catch.