B&E Prevention

[mickz]

Originally Posted by classified

LOL^^

but all seriousness get a good security system. im surprised yours didnt detect anything

A security system won't detect a hole knocked through a wall, there are no contacts there. There's probably a few PIRs somewhere inside the building that will detect motion (in reality it doesn't, only senses a change in IR in an area) and that will set off the alarm.

As with any security device, it's only made to deter thieves and keep in mind if they really want to steal something, they can get it.

Is this a well-lit area? If not you might want to consider adding a few spot lights. Are you able to restrict access to this area by putting up a fence? If the thief breaks into the building and steals something they'll need an easy way to get back out with the loot.

[Shun Izaki]

Originally Posted by Lomac

We have some expensive electronics inside, which is what they're probably going after. Coincidentally (or not), the first day we got hit was the same day the local Future Shop was broken into. That B&E was a bit more sophisticated; apparently they cut out a hole in the roof and zip lined down to the laptop cages on top of the shelves, Mission Impossible style. They managed to avoid all the motion sensors in the store that way.

We do have a full blown alarm system complete with motion sensors and cameras, but by the time the police show up, they could have grabbed what they're after and be long gone. Exterior proximity alarms wont work because there's a lot of wildlife in the area. The building next to us used to have exterior cameras, but they were constantly stolen, despite the fact that they're twenty-odd feet up in the air. We've also taken to hiring a security guard to do patrol when we're closed, but even the guard we were given expressed concern for his own safety in case the guys came back while he was in the building... Dogs wont work, unfortunately.

We've got a police officer coming in on Wednesday who specializes in preventative measures to see what she can suggest we do, but I'll definitely bring up some of the ideas that have been mentioned in this thread.

Wait a second, i remember that FS bust in... apparently and inside job from what i was told from someone working there at the time... Rmd FS too right?

[jeffh]

you attached to any other stores? like a shared wall?
theres been a couple break-in attempts like this in kelowna. they break into one store, and then break through the shared wall between the stores to get what they want

either way, curbing so they cant ram shit and some mean ass shrubs (poison oak?)
any lawn around there so you can have the sprinklers come on randomly? not gonna stop anyone but its gonna make their lives hell while they are doing it

[quasi]

Security mesh between the steel stud and block would slow them down. It's usually used in between two store units where you wouldn't want someone cutting through the other side of the wall to get into your store. It isn't impermeable but it will slow them down for sure, would have to be cut through with a torch.

http://amico-securityproducts.com/mesh.htm

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Originally Posted by Toeknee

lollll nice job

i miss that commercial

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Lomac

We do have a full blown alarm system complete with motion sensors and cameras, but by the time the police show up, they could have grabbed what they're after and be long gone. Exterior proximity alarms wont work because there's a lot of wildlife in the area.

Need to add Video Analytics to your camera system - software that can determine the difference between human and animal subjects, and trip and alarm if it sees a person a defined area. We're using this on a couple sites, including one with thermal-imaging cameras, and it works great.

The building next to us used to have exterior cameras, but they were constantly stolen, despite the fact that they're twenty-odd feet up in the air.

Probably using either standard box cameras in wall-mount housings, or cheap-ass IR bullet cameras - those are usually pretty easy to get down, just toss a rope over the mounting arm and give it a good yank. A solidly-mounted dome enclosure will be difficult if not impossible to remove, especially if you can't access it directly.

We've got a police officer coming in on Wednesday who specializes in preventative measures to see what she can suggest we do, but I'll definitely bring up some of the ideas that have been mentioned in this thread.

If you haven't guessed already, I work in video surveillance... drop me a PM if you want, I can come take a look at your setup, if you want to go that way.

[CP.AR]

I work for a steel manufacturing/engineering firm. I can hook you up with my boss if you want steel

[Soundy]

^how about if he wants to drop steel on the perps' heads?

[Rich Sandor]

maybe they didn't actually want to steal anything, they just wanted to smash some walls down.... or maybe they were practicing for smashing into a different building..

[you!]

i say just scatter some bear traps in the area and call it a day

[punkwax]

Same thing happened to my old office years ago. Irony is they stole a bunch of brand name surveillance equipment and probably had no idea what was in the boxes as they grabbed it.

Not much you can do prevention wise. There are siesmic detectors out there which are typically used for bank vaults and are quite expensive. Or you could use a regular dry-wall mounted shock sensor on the inside, but they'd have to be through the cinder block and pounding the drywall before they'd trip. Either one won't stop the physical damage from being done, the seismic may minimize it, but the alarm will sound and hopefully they'll flee before getting to your product.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by Lomac

the first day we got hit was the same day the local Future Shop was broken into. That B&E was a bit more sophisticated; apparently they cut out a hole in the roof and zip lined down to the laptop cages on top of the shelves, Mission Impossible style. They managed to avoid all the motion sensors in the store that way.

Originally Posted by Shun Izaki

Wait a second, i remember that FS bust in... apparently and inside job from what i was told from someone working there at the time... Rmd FS too right?

holy shit

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Nodnarb

Same thing happened to my old office years ago. Irony is they stole a bunch of brand name surveillance equipment and probably had no idea what was in the boxes as they grabbed it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/3xLOGICv.../2/jBXqWQAmtiI (BTW, these are the same systems we install).

[CP.AR]

Originally Posted by Soundy

^how about if he wants to drop steel on the perps' heads?

as long as he pays the cash for the steel

the place I work for manufactures everything from small steel plates to 10 tonne steel frames. take your pick!

[Soundy]

Oooo, a steel pick! That could be handy