SkinnyPupp, what do you have to say about this?

[woob]

This has digressed into an ethics debate (absolute Truth vs. relative truth) and is bound to run in circles until everyone says "fuck this".

[MarkyMark]

Originally Posted by AE98

wrong again. Try google it and find out for yourself how many westerns are living and working in China now..especially in Shanghai and Beijing. It will blow your mind away.

last time I was in Shanghai I see so many white people there just like theres so many Chinese in vancouver

For work, they didn't move there for the lifestyle, and chances are their family still lives in Canada
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[AE98]

Originally Posted by -kish-

It doesn't matter if chinese people here think the Canadian way is backwards. This isn't China. Do you see Canadians, or in your words "Europeans" trying to stir shit up in China. Obviously not. If you don't like Canada's way of doing things or our values your welcome to leave. I doubt anyone would miss your presence anyway.

I'm tired of reading your threads about immigrants. Stop posting and go back to china.

westerners are the ones that like to start shit in China the most. always accusing China for human right violation and censorship. But in fact they are doing much worse. Invading Iraq and slaughtering innocent civilians, and let druggies and criminal run the city.

But has China every accused western countries for that? no, so neither should western countries point their fingers at china.

And by the way my parents paid the Canadian government to come here..you have no idea how much money Canada has made off the immigrants. Its billions of dollars to the Canadian economy, nevermind the number of jobs created. So the least you can do is being grateful. The paying immigrants have every right to stay. If you dont like the immigrants here driving up the property value and changing the culture, you are welcome to leave too, I am sure the immigrants will be more than happy to take your property off your hands.

[AE98]

Originally Posted by MarkyMark

For work, they didn't move there for the lifestyle, and chances are their family still lives in Canada
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some may keep their families back home, but I see alot of westerners bring their wife and kids to China and settle there..guess you havent been.

[bengy]

Originally Posted by AE98

some may keep their families back home, but I see alot of westerners bring their wife and kids to China and settle there..guess you havent been.

You expect people to take you seriously when you post threads about Brits chopping off Chinese heads in Beijing more than 100 years ago?

GTFO

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by AE98

But you see, this is exactly where the culture difference stem from.

Some Canadians think that the Chinese way of censorship is backward, but the Chinese may think the Canadian way (or the western way) of letting pronography and violent contents go about freely and drug use is barbaric.

So who is right? My stand is nobody is right, every civilzation has the right to determine how to run their country, and its up to noone's business to judge whether its backward or not. China has censorship partly because of their moral values, as sex and violence are a loong time taboo in the Chinese culture, and to me, its rather civilized, than backward as you suggest.

Are you fucking kidding me? Violence taboo in China? You can be executed for any number of crimes in China and your family has to pay for the bullet used. The military is given near carte blanche to do whatever they want. Look at Tiananmen Square where thousands of students were slaughtered.

Sex? Sex is a natural part of human culture...not just any particular country. To suggest that sex is taboo in any way is stupid. We all have sex. We all think about sex. It is archaic to believe that sex isn't an integral part of human operations.

Censorship violates a basic human right, one of the many China violates. In China, you have limited freedom in areas such as religion, movement, politics, etc...all of which if the rules are broken, you are screwed. Plus there are heavy incentives for everything else that they cannot regulate. No government should have that amount of control over its population.

This doesn't even deal with all the dirty shit that China is involved in behind the scenes.

Sorry, but there will be no convincing us that China is civilized. If civility means you can't do anything but be one of the billion drones made in the image of the Chinese government, you need to go look it up in the dictionary.

[hk20000]

Originally Posted by woob

This has digressed into an ethics debate (absolute Truth vs. relative truth) and is bound to run in circles until everyone says "fuck this".

fuck this.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by AE98

westerners are the ones that like to start shit in China the most. always accusing China for human right violation and censorship. But in fact they are doing much worse. Invading Iraq and slaughtering innocent civilians, and let druggies and criminal run the city.

But has China every accused western countries for that? no, so neither should western countries point their fingers at china.

And by the way my parents paid the Canadian government to come here..you have no idea how much money Canada has made off the immigrants. Its billions of dollars to the Canadian economy, nevermind the number of jobs created. So the least you can do is being grateful. The paying immigrants have every right to stay. If you dont like the immigrants here driving up the property value and changing the culture, you are welcome to leave too, I am sure the immigrants will be more than happy to take your property off your hands.

It's no secret that Canada requires immigration to keep going but when someone comes to Canada, uses our existing infrastructure and services, do you not think they should be paid?

Or are you the sort of person that walks into a restaurant and thinks you deserve to eat there for free?

Canada has no official involvement in Iraq. We are not part of the ongoing war there. Canada is currently fighting alongside the United States in Afghanistan as the government in that country at the time supported and haboured the terrorists responsible for the WTC attacks of 9/11.

Druggies and criminals do not run the city. Until the government of Canada comes out and says the Hell's Angels are now cabinet ministers, you are full of shit. There is ongoing crack-downs on that sort of garbage everywhere in Canada. Whether or not they are effective or not and whether the current punishments are enough to deter criminal activity is debatable but let's be clear...just because criminals are prosperous due to the rules of supply and demand does not mean they are the dominant influence of our country. Your argument has no grounds.

[AE98]

Originally Posted by Ronin

Are you fucking kidding me? Violence taboo in China? You can be executed for any number of crimes in China and your family has to pay for the bullet used. The military is given near carte blanche to do whatever they want. Look at Tiananmen Square where thousands of students were slaughtered.

Sex? Sex is a natural part of human culture...not just any particular country. To suggest that sex is taboo in any way is stupid. We all have sex. We all think about sex. It is archaic to believe that sex isn't an integral part of human operations.

Censorship violates a basic human right, one of the many China violates. In China, you have limited freedom in areas such as religion, movement, politics, etc...all of which if the rules are broken, you are screwed. Plus there are heavy incentives for everything else that they cannot regulate. No government should have that amount of control over its population.

This doesn't even deal with all the dirty shit that China is involved in behind the scenes.

Sorry, but there will be no convincing us that China is civilized. If civility means you can't do anything but be one of the billion drones made in the image of the Chinese government, you need to go look it up in the dictionary.

The definition of being "Civilized" is not for you to decide.

In Chinese culture sex is definitely a taboo that people feel embarrased or even feel guilty to talk about. Pornography may even be considered as immoral unitl quite recently that this start to change. If you have been to rural China you will see how conservatively the people there dress, and it may even be considered offensive to display anything pornography related, and this is their culture, which the Chinese don't welcome people to point their fingers at. If one day the Chinese government feel its time to allow pornogprahy then the change will come, but it must come from within.

Regarding death penalty..its only justice that people who commit crimes deserve whats coming to them. If you killed someone or are a drug pusher in China you will most likely be executed, and that is justice, and most of the people there support that.

Even in highly advanced Asian countries like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, death penalty still have over 80% of popular support..to them its justice.

In Canada a serial killer or drug czar will only be jailed for several year and will never be put down and off he go harming others again. This, to me , is whats truly barbaric.

[AE98]

Originally Posted by bengy

You expect people to take you seriously when you post threads about Brits chopping off Chinese heads in Beijing more than 100 years ago?

GTFO

whats wrong with posting history? too much for your narrow mind to take? why dont you GTFO

[woob]

Originally Posted by AE98

The definition of being "Civilized" is not for you to decide.

Nor is it for you.





I feel like I'm being trolled.

[AE98]

Originally Posted by Ronin

It's no secret that Canada requires immigration to keep going but when someone comes to Canada, uses our existing infrastructure and services, do you not think they should be paid?

Or are you the sort of person that walks into a restaurant and thinks you deserve to eat there for free?

Canada has no official involvement in Iraq. We are not part of the ongoing war there. Canada is currently fighting alongside the United States in Afghanistan as the government in that country at the time supported and haboured the terrorists responsible for the WTC attacks of 9/11.

Druggies and criminals do not run the city. Until the government of Canada comes out and says the Hell's Angels are now cabinet ministers, you are full of shit. There is ongoing crack-downs on that sort of garbage everywhere in Canada. Whether or not they are effective or not and whether the current punishments are enough to deter criminal activity is debatable but let's be clear...just because criminals are prosperous due to the rules of supply and demand does not mean they are the dominant influence of our country. Your argument has no grounds.

You dont know jackshit.

I have personal friends with RCMP and he told me how corrupted it is.
The RCMP knows very well who the drug dealers are and where they live but 99% of the time they cant do jackshit about it. Because of "lack of evidence"(where evidence is apparent) or bs like "afraid of getting sued"

The level of preveilence of drugs here in Vancouer already suggest that the druggies do indeed run the city. They can still go about doing their business and with little chance of being caught. The shooting rage last year and this year further proved my point.

You will never see gansters shooting at eachother for a full year like we had last year anywhere in the advanced part of Asia (Japan Taiwan Korea some cities of China), to them it is incredible. As soon as any shooting happens the entire gang will be busted and most will be thrown to jail, unlike in Canada the shooting is still ongoing and will still be with this lousy justice system.

do you know that Canada and North America's crima rate is 300% higher than in East Asian nations? (Again Taiwan Japan South Korea. I am excluding China because alot of trolls gonna comment how China's stats is not reliable and etc) so much for being a civilized country.

[MarkyMark]

Sex is taboo in China, they only have 1.3 billion people and are now capped at 1 child per family unless they want to pay a huge fine or have it aborted...I'd say they like to have sex as much as anyone lol
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[CorneringArtist]

Originally Posted by AE98

do you know that Canada and North America's crima rate is 300% higher than in East Asian nations? (Again Taiwan Japan South Korea. I am excluding China because alot of trolls gonna comment how China's stats is not reliable and etc) so much for being a civilized country.

Leaving out China is a contradictory action to your current argument. Why are you trying to bias everything against Canada? Regardless if the statistics are unreliable or not, leaving them out just means you have something to hide.

If China is this great country that you paint it out to be, then there would be no censorship. Otherwise, I see a country that harbors a heavily fragmented version of it's ideology that only looks perfect on paper but is restrictive to movements of its people.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by AE98

the sad truth is canada does not really have a culture that has depth. You have to think why immigrants adpot to American cultures much quickly and willingly (and we already think american culture is trashy) than immigrants adpoting to Canadian culture, if there is any.

Way to contradict yourself. Earlier in the week you said:

Originally Posted by AE98

Seeing how fucked up american kids are growing up, I think China has done good.

Originally Posted by AE98

a little fact for you...ALL Taiwanese except the natives came from China

fuck not this shit again.
homo sapiens originated from Africa, does that make all of us African? Why does it matter that maybe ethnically they are almost identical? You do realize many Taiwanese people moved the island in the 17th to 19th century?

Originally Posted by AE98

alot of ppl in Taiwan want to unite with China just like there are people who wants independence..

"alot of ppl?" it's a small, small minority that wants to have their rights violated. You are more than happy to join them yourself with your families that own businesses on the mainland.

OP is clearly an advocate for nuthugging the communists.

[AE98]

Originally Posted by CorneringArtist

Leaving out China is a contradictory action to your current argument. Why are you trying to bias everything against Canada? Regardless if the statistics are unreliable or not, leaving them out just means you have something to hide.

If China is this great country that you paint it out to be, then there would be no censorship. Otherwise, I see a country that harbors a heavily fragmented version of it's ideology that only looks perfect on paper but is restrictive to movements of its people.

If you want to include China, then the stats will bring the whole western countries to shame. The overall crime rate in any western countries is at least 400% higher than in China, especially murder rate per capita.

I can personally attest to this..I have been working in Shanghai for a Taiwanese company in 2007 and I felt extremely safe both day and night...much safer than Vancouver. during that year I have not seen any gangster or gangsters like kids roaming the street, nor have I seen any drug addicts anywhere be it streets or clubs. There may be cases when police are involved but mostly for petty crimes.

Let me remind you Shanghai is a gigantic city with over 20 million population and is the Financial hub of China just like New York for the US. And to keep crime rate this low to me is amazing.

And yet the city or the country even is extremely safe...and all my white friends who have been to china agree that its super safe..my friend from London once told me how he rarely walks on the street in London at night because u might be mugged or harrased by robbers or teenagers, but this never happens in Shanghai.


To answer to your other comment, China has censorship for a reason. To be frank, the government doesnt think that the population is ready to handle all the information yet. Just like a parent would protect its child from reading too much adult contents because the child is too little to comprehend and may be harmful to the child. When the time is ready I am sure the change will come.

If you have been to China and have really made in depth contacts with local Chinese..be it an educated person or a farmer, you will understand that China is not ready for democracy yet.

The westerners tried preach to Africa about democracy, and look what happend? Eastern Europe tried to adpot Western democracy and the result is a mess. The Chinese government is very smart to not let that happen again in China. I say a lesson learned.

2005 was the first time I ever set foot in China, before that I am like many of you RSer who thinks China is an evil commy country that I will never go in my entire life. Once I been there my view totally changed. I am sure many of you will be like me once you actually go there.

[BaoXu]

Originally Posted by CorneringArtist

Leaving out China is a contradictory action to your current argument. Why are you trying to bias everything against Canada? Regardless if the statistics are unreliable or not, leaving them out just means you have something to hide.

If China is this great country that you paint it out to be, then there would be no censorship. Otherwise, I see a country that harbors a heavily fragmented version of it's ideology that only looks perfect on paper but is restrictive to movements of its people.

Censorship is not an issue at all with most Mainlanders. Most of them don't even care about google, facebook, and twitter because most of them can't read english or they rather use china-based social networking websites anyways.

[BaoXu]

AE98 shut the fuck up.

[CorneringArtist]

Originally Posted by BaoXu

AE98 shut the fuck up.

One of the best things I've heard in this thread so far. I feel dumber reading most of his posts that primal instincts are starting to kick in (ie. desk banging, etc.). I have to take that point of the Chinese-language networks, I've got no issue with that, but some Internet content is censored that would impact people's ways of thinking in China if it wasn't, even if our ignorant buddy over there believes it's for "the best interests of the people".

[AE98]

Originally Posted by CorneringArtist

One of the best things I've heard in this thread so far. I feel dumber reading most of his posts that primal instincts are starting to kick in (ie. desk banging, etc.). I have to take that point of the Chinese-language networks, I've got no issue with that, but some Internet content is censored that would impact people's ways of thinking in China if it wasn't, even if our ignorant buddy over there believes it's for "the best interests of the people".

You are too dumb to comprehend the facts..and if you feel it makes u dumb why bother reading it, arent you the dumb one

[CorneringArtist]

Originally Posted by AE98

You are too dumb to comprehend the facts..and if you feel it makes u dumb why bother reading it, arent you the dumb one

Way to go, attacking me AD HOMINEM, not like you haven't done it already, but I like pointing out fallacies in arguments. Did my arguments ever personally address you? I don't think they did, they only addressed your arguments. Stop while you're ahead, you're making contradictory and fallacious statements that hold little weight anymore since it's just going in a circle now. It's only a matter of time before more fallacies are made. I'm surprised you've made it this far without getting the banhammer.

EDIT: May as well toss this in, I've been waiting for a good time to use it, and now seems like a decent time.

[AE98]

Originally Posted by CorneringArtist

Way to go, attacking me AD HOMINEM, not like you haven't done it already, but I like pointing out fallacies in arguments. Did my arguments ever personally address you? I don't think they did, they only addressed your arguments. Stop while you're ahead, you're making contradictory and fallacious statements that hold little weight anymore since it's just going in a circle now. It's only a matter of time before more fallacies are made. I'm surprised you've made it this far without getting the banhammer.

EDIT: May as well toss this in, I've been waiting for a good time to use it, and now seems like a decent time.

well, then why dont you point out where exact the "fallacies" are? instead of posting comments such as "i feel dumber reading", wouldnt it be more constructive to state your reasonings and discuss?

[Underdawg]

Originally Posted by AE98

I have personal friends with RCMP and he told me how corrupted it is.
The RCMP knows very well who the drug dealers are and where they live but 99% of the time they cant do jackshit about it. Because of "lack of evidence"(where evidence is apparent) or bs like "afraid of getting sued"

Stop acting like there is no corruption in China jackass. We all know a lot of regional Chinese governments and police forces are 10 times more corrupted than North America. (You read about them all the time in Chinese news too, dont you?)

You will never see gansters shooting at eachother for a full year like we had last year anywhere in the advanced part of Asia (Japan Taiwan Korea some cities of China), to them it is incredible. As soon as any shooting happens the entire gang will be busted and most will be thrown to jail

Japan? ok we are talking about a country that has a tradition with Yakuza's business/political influence? The main offices of those organized crime groups are all on google maps, and most of them have been pass down by the families. How come they are not busted?

Taiwan? There are more organized crimes in Taiwan than Canada thats for sure, and a lot of them have major political/business influence.

do you know that Canada and North America's crima rate is 300% higher than in East Asian nations? (Again Taiwan Japan South Korea. I am excluding China because alot of trolls gonna comment how China's stats is not reliable and etc) so much for being a civilized country.

Dont act like everyone on RS are retards and stop pulling shit figures out of your ass. I also want to remind you one more thing. A lot of those old organized crime groups in North America were all formed by Chinese immigrants. Look at the Chinatowns in NYC or LA... how many gangs originated from there? Those so-called "business groups" are just an umbrella term for "moving old habits" into a new country. Things such as human trafficking, smuggling, prostitution, drug dealing, and the whole shitbang. So much for "bringing our own culture" into a new place....


You dont know jackshit.

[Soundy]

[El Bastardo]

Originally Posted by AE98

wrong again. Try google it and find out for yourself how many westerns are living and working in China now..especially in Shanghai and Beijing. It will blow your mind away.

last time I was in Shanghai I see so many white people there just like theres so many Chinese in vancouver

Yeah. I, for one, hear tons of stories about white people coming to Shanghai in shipping containers and entering the country on fake papers.