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04-07-2010, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer  Enemy and friendly all look the same in these places
id say guys carrying AK's and hiding around corners as the one guy is in the beggning at least looks like a threat. | This is true, it's really sad to see..
I think it's you're dammed if you do or you're dammed if you don't.
I mean what if these people were actually armed?
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04-07-2010, 06:03 PM
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for the guys that did the killing, i wouldn't mind the Westboro baptist church going to their funeral when they die.
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04-07-2010, 06:18 PM
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If your in a war zone, expect to be shot. That being said, the worst part of the video was when the van came. CLEARLY A RESCUE!
I remember reading about these guys in Colorado, who fly UAV's over Iraq and Afghanistan from a base in Colorado. Some UAV's are armed and they would kill many people everyday 9-5 Mon-Fri. Imagine that, killing kids, women etc etc, in a place half way around the world, then coming home and watching the 6 o'clock news and eating dinner with the family. FUCKED.
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04-08-2010, 12:30 AM
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Fuck man.... I watched a quarter of it and it was hard to bare... fuck!
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04-08-2010, 02:36 AM
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#30 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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04-08-2010, 06:54 AM
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#31 | | My AFC gave me an ABS CEL code of LOL while at WOT!
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Originally Posted by cressydrift If your in a war zone, expect to be shot. That being said, the worst part of the video was when the van came. CLEARLY A RESCUE!
I remember reading about these guys in Colorado, who fly UAV's over Iraq and Afghanistan from a base in Colorado. Some UAV's are armed and they would kill many people everyday 9-5 Mon-Fri. Imagine that, killing kids, women etc etc, in a place half way around the world, then coming home and watching the 6 o'clock news and eating dinner with the family. FUCKED. | Yeah, but it was rescuing "bad guys", at least in the eyes of the gunners.
I gotta say, you have to wonder about the mentality of guys who are pulling the trigger. Not like, "oh they are so insensitive, those monsters". These are the guys who HAVE to make the decisions to take another persons life. You always hear people going on about how theres no respect, like the guys in the videos, but how do they want them to react? "Oh I'm emotionally torn about the tragedies of war, it's an outrage, BLAM BLAM BLAM". These guys have to be ok with killing in that situation.
I know a bunch of guys who are firefighters and they see dead people all the time, and sometimes lose people they are trying to rescue. They have total gallows humour about it, like "haha so-and-so, lost another one! You've got the death touch man!"
It's not exactly the same, but it kind of shows the mindset you have to be in to deal with stuff that is literally life and death.
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04-08-2010, 07:04 AM
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The main point of the video is to expose the lies of the original report. This video exposes that established Rules of Engagement are not being followed. A lot of the statements that were made officially are completely false, like what actually happened to the children, contrary to the official statement. According to the ROE at the time, non-combatants are off-limits, which includes the injured.
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04-08-2010, 07:08 AM
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#33 | | My AFC gave me an ABS CEL code of LOL while at WOT!
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Originally Posted by Presto The main point of the video is to expose the lies of the original report. This video exposes that established Rules of Engagement are not being followed. A lot of the statements that were made officially are completely false, like what actually happened to the children, contrary to the official statement. | It would be hard for the Pentagon to even back up their statements, considering they don't even know where the original is...
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04-08-2010, 08:50 AM
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I know a bunch of guys who are firefighters and they see dead people all the time, and sometimes lose people they are trying to rescue. They have total gallows humour about it, like "haha so-and-so, lost another one! You've got the death touch man!"
| the guys you know are shitty firefighters if thats how they act...the fire dept doesnt need people like that...and i dont think they should be firefighters
but i also think they could be verbally cover up emotional trauma like that..ive seen lots of firefighters who do this. but then down the road they turn into total wrecks.
oh ya...and fuck american soldiers...they are disgusting...i wouldnt be so upset if they came clean, and said we made a horrible mistake...but the fact that they try to cover it up thats sick....
and where are these weapons that were on the ground when the ground troops showed up...did the 30mm shells magically change every weapon into Cannon cameras? i dont think so, just like WMD's....Americans look at yourself, everyone in the world hates you and more of you will die in foreign countries and die on your own soil.
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04-08-2010, 09:00 AM
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#35 | | My AFC gave me an ABS CEL code of LOL while at WOT!
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Originally Posted by Tegra_devil the guys you know are shitty firefighters if thats how they act...the fire dept doesnt need people like that...and i dont think they should be firefighters |  Shitty firefighters? Dealing with death and pretty upsetting experiences in a way that you don't agree with makes them bad at their job?
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04-08-2010, 09:04 AM
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#36 | | My AFC gave me an ABS CEL code of LOL while at WOT!
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Originally Posted by babykiller Shitty firefighters? Dealing with death and pretty upsetting experiences in a way that you don't agree with makes them bad at their job? | Oh wait I see you are a firefighter yourself. Maybe you know a little better than I do 
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04-08-2010, 09:21 AM
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Fire fighters and doctors normally act that way when dealing with things like that. My mom used to work in a burn unti and when children came in they used to call them crispy critters. Yes it may sound sick but its a way a lot of people deal with the sad situtation they are faced with. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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04-08-2010, 02:08 PM
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#38 | | I keep RS good
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Originally Posted by Tegra_devil the guys you know are shitty firefighters if thats how they act...the fire dept doesnt need people like that...and i dont think they should be firefighters
but i also think they could be verbally cover up emotional trauma like that..ive seen lots of firefighters who do this. but then down the road they turn into total wrecks. | actually it's quite normal for anyone in any job where you deal with this kinda shit to joke about it.
it's very normal for soldiers to laugh about death and poke and joke about it. it's the only way people can deal with it. laughing is a stress reliever. you turn everything into a joke.
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Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma it doesn't matter what they say or how they treated it. They followed what anyone of you guys would do if you were in that situation. http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/...er/#more-16247
read that article.
the pilots have no way of knowing the full story.
i'm just gonna quote my friend:
" i think because the wounded included children, and because it's so shocking to see the tragedy caught on tape people are really quick to condemn the pilots and soldiers as "murderers" etc. on the flip side, if they'd have circled around closer and the men had been carrying RPGs and that was a video of an apache getting blown up, or of a suicide bomber killing iraqi civilians, would anyone really give a shit?"
exactly. so on the flipside, are you gonna take the risk? you see a buncha guys down there with things on their shoulders and things in their hands, you really gonna just sit there and wonder if they're gonna blow you up?
say the video had no audio, would you guys still be as offended? does it even matter what they say? they could have been completely egoless, and the result still would have been the same. | | |
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04-08-2010, 02:10 PM
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yea
the journalists embedded themselves with people carrying rpgs and ak47s in a warzone
what did they expect? play with fire, get burnt
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04-08-2010, 02:27 PM
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Deserved it, peaking around a corner to look at ground forces with a camera that looks like an rpg. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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04-08-2010, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jeff_alexander Deserved it, peaking around a corner to look at ground forces with a camera that looks like an rpg. Posted via RS Mobile |
Don't think he "Deserved" to die... it was maybe a matter of time, but deserved to die is very harsh .
I think what makes all this worse (In my eye's) is not the fact that 10 people got shot up. It just the fact that America does not belong there. They made a mistake on intel and are still there? Estimates are all over the place with casualties of the war. The estimates for innocent civilian deaths range from as low as 100,000 to 1,000,000+. Regardless that is way to many people to die for no reason.
Here is my question? Why don't they just win the god damn war's? They got all the money, all the tech and kit, and support of the world. Go in there and finish the fuckin job. This is war, not a fuckin art project.
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04-08-2010, 06:07 PM
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The ironic thing is that we are sitting in our own comfortable home/office with the carebear mode on, criticizing people who were half a world away and potentially getting blown up, and thinking we are qualified to make the decision for them.
Other than the guy peeking out, check out 3:40-3:48, second guy from the left who was also carrying an object that looked like an RPG.
Hindsight is 20/20; but if you were there, you probably would've done the same thing with your training and experience.
FYI, I don't support the war in Iraq either.
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04-08-2010, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cressydrift Don't think he "Deserved" to die... it was maybe a matter of time, but deserved to die is very harsh .
I think what makes all this worse (In my eye's) is not the fact that 10 people got shot up. It just the fact that America does not belong there. They made a mistake on intel and are still there? Estimates are all over the place with casualties of the war. The estimates for innocent civilian deaths range from as low as 100,000 to 1,000,000+. Regardless that is way to many people to die for no reason.
Here is my question? Why don't they just win the god damn war's? They got all the money, all the tech and kit, and support of the world. Go in there and finish the fuckin job. This is war, not a fuckin art project. |
How do you win a war in which you cant distinguish Ally from Enemy?
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04-08-2010, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LUUUUUUUU | The commanding officers of these guys........ fucking pathetic. They should be dishonourably discharged for allowing that kind of shit to go on let alone encouraging it.
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04-08-2010, 08:17 PM
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^ what the hell is the guy yelling in the back?
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04-09-2010, 01:36 AM
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^ doesn't he say something like "Gun READY!" or something along the lines of that.
I remember it from COD.
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04-09-2010, 08:09 PM
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He didnt deserve to die but its still collateral damage. Its a warzone. He looked like a threat they acted on it Posted via RS Mobile | |
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04-09-2010, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RX_Renesis ^ what the hell is the guy yelling in the back? | Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Chow ^ doesn't he say something like "Gun READY!" or something along the lines of that.
I remember it from COD. | Looks like they are firing the main 105mm Howitzer thus they need to load it after each round.
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04-09-2010, 08:38 PM
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If you guys ever get the chance, go watch Green Zone with Matt Damon. Similar premise and shows how fucked up how high ranking officers act like robots to bs intel.
Its seems pretty obvious some of the shit happening in Iraq is wrong and yet the world seems to turn a blind eye.
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