Obviously not if you can't tell that the Mustang's torque curve is higher than the M3's throughout the ENTIRE range.

^

lol

:haha:

Sigh, I already said disregard the number and look at power delivery alone. I guess this is RS for ya. It would be pointless to compare power anyways since it was done on separate dyno. And yes, I acknowledge that the 5.0 would most likely generate more rwhp even if both cars were to have a dyno run side by side.

that M3 has a butterysmooth tq band, would love to rip on one on the track.

So the Ford is rated at 412 HP but puts down 395 HP while the M3 is rated at 414 HP and puts down 350 HP?

Man there's nothing like paying for 400+ HP and geting 350 HP. ;)

Though this BMW dyno run is a little low - most E92's make around 360-365 HP at the rear wheels. Still... 35HP less than the Ford at the wheels? :rofl:

no use arguing numbers...
need to see a nurburgring time!

talk about needing new tires every month :)

http://blogs.mustang50magazine.com/6...-gt/index.html

shouldnt this work pretty well with the Overenginneered 5.0L engine?


too bad ford didnt have a killer low financing option for 72 months :P

I just wanted to say an open thank-you to Rich Sandor for giving up his time to let me test drive the new Mustang 5.0's at his dealership, even though I said I was not a buyer. It's great to get to look at a new car without the sales pressure normally associated with it. Rich was very comprehensive in the specs, and gave me a detailed demonstration of how the Ford Sync system works. I was given a generous 30 minute test drive up to Cypress and back and really enjoyed the car... I wasn't driving stupid (wish I could same for the other drivers I had the misfortune of coming across during my drive), but now know how 400+hp can make you lose your mind :eek3:

So if you are looking for a new Ford, go find Rich because he needs the $$$ from the sales commission to feed his Porsche LOL :thumbsup:

this is going to be my next car!! always wanted a mustang, they sound soo nice with exhaust

@thumper - haha no doubt i'll be looking for Rich when i'm in the market for a Ford. which seems increasingly likely at this point with the stuff they're coming out with lately.

I've only driven a rental 4.6GT Vert (autotragic) in Hawaii 2 Xmas's ago and I thought it was solid and tons of fun. I can't imagine what a 5.0 feels like!

I'll be contacting Rich soon as soon as my Mazda reaches 200,000kms.. :D

How about this, I buy the Mustang. With the money I've saved i'll put it into the Mustang and absolutely demolish the M3.

I can't believe this is being argued.

Mehh ppl argue about anything.

They would argue about a civic vs a ferrari

How you can save a million dollar, make it faster yet still have extra money left.
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the stock exhaust on the 5.0 sounds great. i don't see the point in anyone changing it out unless it's restrictive. it's very quiet if driven normally, but if you stand on it.... wow.

the engine has so much torque and i just wasn't used to it because i've been driving a little 4 banger for so long that needs to be wound out if i want any sort of power. with this engine there is power just about everywhere. it pulls in every gear, even 6th. i couldn't help but wonder if it would ever run out...

the steering is nice. very accurate. and it's assisted by an electric motor, not a conventional hydraulic pump. it didn't feel artificial, and the assist is variable, so it's not stupid heavy when parking or at low speeds, but i felt it get heavier the faster i drove.

the shift throws for the gearbox are really short. very smooth, not notchy, but it has more effort in it compared to, say, an honda s2000. there is a skip shift from 1st to 4th for fuel economy, but it only happens if you are in low rpms (i think below 2000rpm? maybe rich knows more). the clutch is not heavy, definitely feels better than the 2005 i drove long ago. i was off on my takeoff though... i haven't used a manual transmission regularly in awhile and my coordination was not the smoothest :(

unfortunately the cali special i drove does not come with the brembo brake package, so i have no idea whether it's worth it or not. rich did sell a 5.0 coupe to someone else that had the brembos and he says it's 100% worth it?

the car rides great, even on 19" wheels. no stupid rattles and nothing fell off. i still hate convertibles... with the top up i felt like i was sitting inside an oil drum. i miss the quarter windows and the backlight is really small, made worse by the raised rear wing the CS package comes with... and you can't get a rear view camera if you get the CS package. go figure?

wish the steering wheel was telescopic. at least it tilts. i don't know what ford was thinking but the power seat still has a manual seatback... wut? the backlit "mustang" logos on the door sills was pretty trick. the CS had a grained leather bolstered seats with carbon-fibre printed inserts for the centers and on the door panels. seat belt kept strangling me because of the lack of a b-pillar but rich said there was an extension that you can get to fix that. the center dome on the hood is really high. i didn't hit anyone or anything but i was a bit self conscious all the time. rich mentioned you can get an optional (non-functional) hood scoop as well...

i was a bit unhappy with how the trunk is finished. typical american car with the loose carpeted formed trim that make up the sides and the floor is not flat obviously because of the live axle. the rear says do a 50/50 split, but there is a big crossbeam under the parcel shelf that limits space. at least trunk lid opens right down to the bumper. if you've seen a camaro and the mail box slot they call a trunk opening you know what i mean.

i wrote too much...

Ya but it'll never look this sexy

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/...f268ddfb02.jpg

I've driven the 2010 Mustang GT 5.0 for a few days a month ago. I was impressed with the power -- not so impressed with the vague steering and SCARY handling over 80 mph.....

but to each his own but for me M3 wins

I'm back to MILF hunting in my car..... see ya

^^ Not a big fan of how the E92 'vert looks. The hard top is much sleeker, IMO. The Mustang, on the other hand, has a real nice menacing look to it.

100% agree with thumper's write up.

The track pack is a $1700 option.. worth every penny, imho.

Brakes on a car are the dead giveaway of whether or not it's a serious machine. I can't take a 'sports car' or 'muscle car' seriously unless it has at least 4-piston solid or monobloc calipers and thick, vented rotors.

The M3 is a beautiful car. I would love to own one, although I think the Mustang is a better value for my purposes. I don't think it's fair to compare them though; they both have 4 wheels, 2-doors, and 400hp, but that's where the comparisons should end. They target two totally different demograpics.

People can go hunt JB in surrey with a 5.0 :thumbsup::p

i wish i had your deep pockets, otherwise i would be all over an m3 as well, but that is not the case. even if i were able to scrape up enough for an m3, i wouldn't have anything left for a dinner and a movie after a successful MILF hunt LOL...

i'm a little confused... are you sure you drove a 2010 gt? if so, it would have been the old 4.6L v8 version, and not the 5.0. i'm also not 100% sure but i think the 2010 had the old hydraulic power steering assist... rich, are you out there?

also wondering what is your definition of "vague steering and scary handling"? my test drive didn't involve any autox manoevers and i only experienced the fast sweeping turns and a few of the tighter ones on cypress, and didn't feel anything amiss. but then again i only had 30 minutes to drive it, not days, and rich was in the car so i had to be on my best behaviour heh... the only time i was doing close to 80mph was trying to dodge that mouthbreather in the mercedes who thought merging onto the highway should be done at 50kmh, and there was no hysterics to report. rich regularly autocrosses a porsche and he had no complaints (albeit he may be biased since he sells fords lol)...

Phat_R: Nice colour combo.. what front lip do you have installed?

sick m3

Thankfully all e92 'verts are hardtop convertibles!

(Granted, it's not a true hardtop, but it sure looks the same until you get up real close.)

Sit in an M3. Then sit in a Mustang. You'll quickly see why the BMW is double the price.

^

really?


well obviously the bwm interior is much more refined...little things do add up